It almost doesn't matter who they are or their motives. The verdict of SC should be respected and implemented. Unless there is evidence that suggests that the verdict of SC itself was influenced by outside elements and there is no such thing, at least in this case. But even then, you can only pursue a lethal route. The question of SCs verdict itself being compromised it's a very real possibility. Our courts are far from perfect after all. It will be anarchy if people start encouraging such majoritarian views and not respect the SCs verdict and anarchy is not good for anyone. And I doubt you even understood half of what I said here and that's part of the problem. India is full of illiterates and educated illiterates.
Rajeev Bhan, 50 upvotes prove that there are many people who have brains. You are right on the dot. I'm glad that there are people out there who have a clear enough brain to sift the wheat from the chaff. May Lord Ayyappa bless you.
Sorry to say laws are made by rulers and can be amended with majority and court is just an institution to safe gaurd laws, any writs by court should be acceptable to people at large. Courts are not superior to citizens of nation.
Kakaraparthi Sridevi, Well said. The SC bench containing 4 men & 1 woman (gender equality be thrown to the winds) did not give this ruling unanimously. The honorable lady justice by the name Ms Indu Malhotra clearly stated that law cannot interfere in matters of faith & she was right. How on earth can law decode faith which contains emotions & sentiments of millions of people ? This is not a property dispute. But the sane voice of the lone woman was completely ignored by these patriarchal milords (that much for misogyny).
Joyanta Chakraborty The Constitution is biased and unfair, and was written by elites who forcefully impose their will on the people like something Hitler would do!
I am sorry for all those people who put their trust on national media houses and believe them to be impartial and truthful. Everytime I watch national media on Sabarimala issue I am horrified by lack of knowledge and understanding of the pulse at ground zero. Its appalling the media doesn't even try to understand the other side. They have a stereotype, they have a narrative. The audiences are made fools because the media doesn't like to do the hard work to get to truth.
This opinionated anchor did not give Padma Pilla a chance to reply to madhavi menon and the advocate even though she promised her to give time. But it didn't suit the anchor's agenda.
Ndtv do your job.get the facts right. probably get one of your anchors who is an ayyappa devotee , understand our sentiment also in at least one at least one debate . is that too much to ask?
Nidhi - You planned it this way, din't you? Padma was never going to get her chance. Your channel had already taken a call. Nidhi - I am wondering who funds you (NDTV)? I always get a feeling that your masters are not the Advertisers not the Viewers. They are someone else.
After watching Nidhi Razhdan and others at NDTV covering Sabarimala, it is clear why they are constantly disliked by BJP supporters. I used to be critical of the people poking at NDTV but since I have seen NDTVs Sabarimala reporting it is clear that there is meat in the criticism meted out to NDTV. Right from the framing of this issue to the conduct of the debates, the "Appropriation" is very evident and there to see. So, Prannoy Roy and his troubles, Chidambaram and his black money parked in NDTV, etc. etc. are no longer figments. These open biases are proof that there could be compelling reasons for this media company to behave the way they do. Definitely not a channel for the average working class Hindu. Disappointed with Prannoy and his ilk.
Worst channel and anchor. Look at the way she didn't give chance slimily to the most peaceful panelist, Ms Pillai to tell her point in spite of her requests. Please don't compare Hinduism to abrahamic scripture based religions.If you really want any we have not one or 2 but 30,000 scriptures and ways. It's an ocean with different ways and methods. Sabarimala is not vedic or a Brahmanical temple. It is a sacred grove of Lord Ayappa.I think the anchor gave too much time and opportunity for Ms Menon who didn't seem to be aware of anything.
Awesome. There is nothing more important than what the majority thinks and feels. Who are we fooling ? Even democracy is about who gets the majority vote. We divide people of the majority by ideology, views, opinions, religion and caste. If there is a majority which feels that the temple laws should be upheld there is no two ways. The courts need to rethink on this issue.
Sanjay hegde, I am from karnataka Don't put your logic here.... Tell majority of south Indian views. We want the sabarimala customs,traditions to be followed...
Somebody please tell Sanjay Hegde that SC has no business in matters of faith & we the people are sensible enough to know their agenda in an election year & that BJP is behind this & this harassment will continue till election 2019 & the saffron brigade who are adamant not to bring an ordinance to finish this impasse will expect us to vote for them.
This is what is going on. Fight between two types of belief - one is hindutva where god is seen as equal as human being and hence they are called as deity (that is why there are 10 million + - deities), and the second is islamic/Christianity where God is above all and all powerful. I don't know where our country is heading to...
Madhavi Menon should be more kind to Brahmins. There are black sheep in every community. If the entire world became “Menons”, there will he good Menons as well as bad Menons. The few bad Menons should not become the reason for generalizing that all Menons are bad. Some of the evils in Kerala - women not allowed to cover their upper torso - is unique to Kerala, and could very well have Dravidian origin. I don’t think Brahmins in the rest of the country are even aware that such a custom existed. In my opinion, Brahminism is not by birth, but by virtues. There are some men born into Brahmin families, but do not have an iota of Brahminicsl qualities. They are ones who generally cause problems in the society. A majority of the Brahmins are kind and non-discriminatory.
The anchor just discriminated against the panelists and did not give equal chance to put their points just bcoz they had an opp view. 25.40 mins of utter hypocrisy...
There is no issue regarding gender equality at Sabarimala. It's the holiest of holy temples in Kerala. Don't destroy the traditions of Sabarimala. Please protect the Pluralism of this country as mandated by Constitution of India. Spirituality cannot be measured by activism.
ha ha... i was waiting for Padma Pillai's reply to madhvi menon but Nidhi didn't give her the opportunity... probably because she knew that miss Pillai will give proper reply.
MS MENON I THINK YOU ARE A AKERLITE.. EVEN YOU DON;T KNOW THE SABARIMALA ISSUE OF BELIVERS ,, WHY SO LONG NOBODY MADE A CASE FOR THE SAID ISSUE ,, THERE IS NO WOMEN DEVOTEES FILE THE CASE .. ACTIVTISE NOT DEVOTEES
"NidhiRazdan"... Your frustrated expression says it all....Madhavi please differentiate between patriarchal and Celibate traditions of the shrine and diety for HEAVENS N GAAAAAWDS Sake!!!!!!!!!
First of all , Nidhi Razdan and Madhavi Menon should know...the real believers of Lord Ayyappa whether it is 550 of them..will never try to enter Sabarimala...if they do truly believe Lord Ayyappa.... And please don't call those 550 as devotees.. And and above all...I agree to your points Ms Nidhi Razdan that constitution and it's laws and orders should be respected , but you forgot that God is more powerful than constitution. And I didn't know that you both were atheist and feminist .
A well scripted DRAMA by NDTV... 4 against 2 including the anchor, one panelist compares Hinduism to terrorist in Pakistan, sadly he is also a practising lawyer in the SC and the other panelist tries hard to make it into a Brahmin vs SC/ST issue, the third panelist gets in the RSS / political agenda into the discussion.. and the anchor happily gives them all the time to spill out their vicious hatred towards the Hindus...
@sheldon pereira but let's see the common sense in it, no harm is being done to anyone at Sabrimala, only thst women have a seperate temple and this is a seperate one... I understand common sense is not common...
sheldon pereira r u soooooo dump to compare sati wd sabarimala believes..!!! if even one young women enter sabarimala..d whole idea of celibacy dat we believe and respect is violated..dats d reason we protest..no young women be allowed... if someone one don't wanna follow d ritual of god n temple.. y d hell dey wanna enter. der !! y this kind of tourchering happens only towards hindus
Hindu Tradition V/ s NIDHI And Brake Hindu CO Nidhi You Can Go And Pray in Mosque With Man ??? If Muslim Not Allow To Pray With Man Then Go To Court Let SEE // What You Do ?? You Know It They Will K&LL You
Flawed judgments do find resistance from the citizens, by the ways laws are to be enacted and followed by the will of the citizens, rather than be ENFORCED. You cannot call this a democratic country if laws are enforced on citizens...
South Indians know enlgish better than the britishers, you seem to have a narrow & skewed opinion on the South Indians. It is very clear from the debate that it is scripted and enacted to suit their agenda..
I wonder why ? I like you Nidhi ❤️ is it your beautiful mesmerizing Voice, or is it your beautiful face, or is it your choice of beautiful colours dress which impresses me? Anyways a complete package beauty with brains is always good to have... Love ya ❤️
Almost the whole debate was wasted on the IRRELEVANT topic of beliefs. The verdict is already out. This is a clear case of failure of part of the Kerala government to implement the verdict and the debate should've been focused on that. This is dangerous levels of majoritarianism and a clear failure of democracy. That's coming from someone who is with the popular opinion..Although not for the same reasons.
If you have no knowledge of Hinduism.. why do you want to open your stink... if possible try to learn or keep shut.. In South India,you find temples belonging to Women Goddess at every nuke and corner. Temples belonging to Women Goddess are the highest in South India...
Not devotees, ultra radical feminist are trying to enter.. big difference...
It almost doesn't matter who they are or their motives. The verdict of SC should be respected and implemented. Unless there is evidence that suggests that the verdict of SC itself was influenced by outside elements and there is no such thing, at least in this case. But even then, you can only pursue a lethal route. The question of SCs verdict itself being compromised it's a very real possibility. Our courts are far from perfect after all. It will be anarchy if people start encouraging such majoritarian views and not respect the SCs verdict and anarchy is not good for anyone. And I doubt you even understood half of what I said here and that's part of the problem. India is full of illiterates and educated illiterates.
i agree rajeev
Rajeev Bhan, 50 upvotes prove that there are many people who have brains. You are right on the dot. I'm glad that there are people out there who have a clear enough brain to sift the wheat from the chaff. May Lord Ayyappa bless you.
Loki s The SC is the one who is ruled by illiterates. Should throw the whole institution out!
The great brains should understand that courts are not above god's. When courts makes mockery of religion, people will protest.
god's law ?? which era are you from , 12th century ?
Constitution is above everything and courts function in the domain of constitution
Sorry to say laws are made by rulers and can be amended with majority and court is just an institution to safe gaurd laws, any writs by court should be acceptable to people at large. Courts are not superior to citizens of nation.
Kakaraparthi Sridevi, Well said. The SC bench containing 4 men & 1 woman (gender equality be thrown to the winds) did not give this ruling unanimously. The honorable lady justice by the name Ms Indu Malhotra clearly stated that law cannot interfere in matters of faith & she was right. How on earth can law decode faith which contains emotions & sentiments of millions of people ? This is not a property dispute. But the sane voice of the lone woman was completely ignored by these patriarchal milords (that much for misogyny).
Joyanta Chakraborty The Constitution is biased and unfair, and was written by elites who forcefully impose their will on the people like something Hitler would do!
I am sorry for all those people who put their trust on national media houses and believe them to be impartial and truthful. Everytime I watch national media on Sabarimala issue I am horrified by lack of knowledge and understanding of the pulse at ground zero. Its appalling the media doesn't even try to understand the other side. They have a stereotype, they have a narrative. The audiences are made fools because the media doesn't like to do the hard work to get to truth.
True. It is ignorance from different quarters which spoiled the peace and sanctity of Sabarimala
Sujith E You are absolutely correct. The media doesn't even show the true beliefs of ayyappa devotees. They are biased and malicious
Priya Pillai should have given the time to put her argument
NDTV & Presstitute Nidhi are always trying to project one side and twist the narrative to suit the breaking India forces!
they knew she would decimate their arguments .. so they didn't let her speak!
This opinionated anchor did not give Padma Pilla a chance to reply to madhavi menon and the advocate even though she promised her to give time. But it didn't suit the anchor's agenda.
Padama Pillai destroyed every argument so Nidhi tried her best to be unbiased as per NDTV standards
Ndtv do your job.get the facts right. probably get one of your anchors who is an ayyappa devotee , understand our sentiment also in at least one at least one debate . is that too much to ask?
Nidhi What is the proof the 500 women are devotees??? they are just activists!
Nidhi - You planned it this way, din't you? Padma was never going to get her chance. Your channel had already taken a call.
Nidhi - I am wondering who funds you (NDTV)? I always get a feeling that your masters are not the Advertisers not the Viewers. They are someone else.
AC room debate without understanding groundlevel...
After watching Nidhi Razhdan and others at NDTV covering Sabarimala, it is clear why they are constantly disliked by BJP supporters. I used to be critical of the people poking at NDTV but since I have seen NDTVs Sabarimala reporting it is clear that there is meat in the criticism meted out to NDTV. Right from the framing of this issue to the conduct of the debates, the "Appropriation" is very evident and there to see. So, Prannoy Roy and his troubles, Chidambaram and his black money parked in NDTV, etc. etc. are no longer figments. These open biases are proof that there could be compelling reasons for this media company to behave the way they do. Definitely not a channel for the average working class Hindu. Disappointed with Prannoy and his ilk.
Republic TV which is supposed to be the voice of BJP is no less critical in this issue.
@@Iamlatha Bad is bad whichever side it is...
Now NDTV couldn't find to portray Hindus as bad, so NDTV is trying it to make it Brahmin issue.
Worst channel and anchor. Look at the way she didn't give chance slimily to the most peaceful panelist, Ms Pillai to tell her point in spite of her requests. Please don't compare Hinduism to abrahamic scripture based religions.If you really want any we have not one or 2 but 30,000 scriptures and ways. It's an ocean with different ways and methods. Sabarimala is not vedic or a Brahmanical temple. It is a sacred grove of Lord Ayappa.I think the anchor gave too much time and opportunity for Ms Menon who didn't seem to be aware of anything.
Remya Subramanian ...absolutely 👍
Nidhi u r not giving enough time to padma pillai
Awesome. There is nothing more important than what the majority thinks and feels. Who are we fooling ? Even democracy is about who gets the majority vote. We divide people of the majority by ideology, views, opinions, religion and caste. If there is a majority which feels that the temple laws should be upheld there is no two ways. The courts need to rethink on this issue.
Nidhi, You did not have the guts to give Padma pillai a chance n conveniently wrapped it up as a majoritatian issue!!!! wah wah wah
Sanjay hegde, I am from karnataka
Don't put your logic here....
Tell majority of south Indian views.
We want the sabarimala customs,traditions to be followed...
Somebody please tell Sanjay Hegde that SC has no business in matters of faith & we the people are sensible enough to know their agenda in an election year & that BJP is behind this & this harassment will continue till election 2019 & the saffron brigade who are adamant not to bring an ordinance to finish this impasse will expect us to vote for them.
what about Azaan breaking the supreme court ban on loudspeakers?
This is what is going on. Fight between two types of belief -
one is hindutva where god is seen as equal as human being and hence they are called as deity (that is why there are 10 million + - deities), and
the second is islamic/Christianity where God is above all and all powerful. I don't know where our country is heading to...
Madhavi Menon should be more kind to Brahmins. There are black sheep in every community. If the entire world became “Menons”, there will he good Menons as well as bad Menons. The few bad Menons should not become the reason for generalizing that all Menons are bad. Some of the evils in Kerala - women not allowed to cover their upper torso - is unique to Kerala, and could very well have Dravidian origin. I don’t think Brahmins in the rest of the country are even aware that such a custom existed. In my opinion, Brahminism is not by birth, but by virtues. There are some men born into Brahmin families, but do not have an iota of Brahminicsl qualities. They are ones who generally cause problems in the society. A majority of the Brahmins are kind and non-discriminatory.
The anchor just discriminated against the panelists and did not give equal chance to put their points just bcoz they had an opp view. 25.40 mins of utter hypocrisy...
Its laughable to hear the SC lawyer comparing the Sabarimala issue to the issue in Pakistan... Shame on you....
Nidhi if you try to raise more question about ayyappa my humble request for you to understand the basic concepts of ayyappa
There is no issue regarding gender equality at Sabarimala. It's the holiest of holy temples in Kerala. Don't destroy the traditions of Sabarimala. Please protect the Pluralism of this country as mandated by Constitution of India. Spirituality cannot be measured by activism.
Why is pussilim channel worried about Sabarimala?Religions comes and goes but dharma remains till eternity i mean sanatan dharma
Nidhi...u didnt allow padma pillai to speak..u are very much biased.
Fake media....
ha ha... i was waiting for Padma Pillai's reply to madhvi menon but Nidhi didn't give her the opportunity... probably because she knew that miss Pillai will give proper reply.
There are already two separate temples for man and woman
Comparing 'death sentence to Asia bibi' to 'not allowing women in Sabrimala'. What a flight of imagination?
MS MENON I THINK YOU ARE A AKERLITE.. EVEN YOU DON;T KNOW THE SABARIMALA ISSUE OF BELIVERS ,, WHY SO LONG NOBODY MADE A CASE FOR THE SAID ISSUE ,, THERE IS NO WOMEN DEVOTEES FILE THE CASE .. ACTIVTISE NOT DEVOTEES
This whole sordid saga seems to be more choreographed than a bollywood song sequence ... its appalling to see the apex court playing a part in it.
"NidhiRazdan"... Your frustrated expression says it all....Madhavi please differentiate between patriarchal and Celibate traditions of the shrine and diety for HEAVENS N GAAAAAWDS Sake!!!!!!!!!
First of all , Nidhi Razdan and Madhavi Menon should know...the real believers of Lord Ayyappa whether it is 550 of them..will never try to enter Sabarimala...if they do truly believe Lord Ayyappa.... And please don't call those 550 as devotees.. And and above all...I agree to your points Ms Nidhi Razdan that constitution and it's laws and orders should be respected , but you forgot that God is more powerful than constitution. And I didn't know that you both were atheist and feminist .
In the eyes of God men and women are equal . There should be no discrimination .
Try to understand Hinduism before commenting ... Many temples in Kerala and Karnataka where men are not allowed
Om Sree Swamiya Saranam Ayyappa
It's like fighting between man and woman toilets
A well scripted DRAMA by NDTV... 4 against 2 including the anchor, one panelist compares Hinduism to terrorist in Pakistan, sadly he is also a practising lawyer in the SC and the other panelist tries hard to make it into a Brahmin vs SC/ST issue, the third panelist gets in the RSS / political agenda into the discussion.. and the anchor happily gives them all the time to spill out their vicious hatred towards the Hindus...
So basically you are saying Law is the new religion.. a religion that Sanjay Hegde follows..
@sheldon pereira but let's see the common sense in it, no harm is being done to anyone at Sabrimala, only thst women have a seperate temple and this is a seperate one... I understand common sense is not common...
sheldon pereira r u soooooo dump to compare sati wd sabarimala believes..!!!
if even one young women enter sabarimala..d whole idea of celibacy dat we believe and respect is violated..dats d reason we protest..no young women be allowed...
if someone one don't wanna follow d ritual of god n temple.. y d hell dey wanna enter. der !! y this kind of tourchering happens only towards hindus
Nidhi u r not giving enough time to padma pillai
Becouse You Don1t Hear Truth
Love you Nidhi .. wanna hug you😊😊.😍😍😘😘
@Rohit Srivastava common.. She is older than my mom. I want to hug her like a mom..
sc is not above the people in a democracy.
There is a question on SC judgement lead by then CJI when it is passed in sept2018
You are so disappointed that it is calm. You are baying for violence.
Looks like it
500+ women u says police ensured that those are from Maoist presence village ...n ultra feminist r u guys unaware or trying to forget
Hindu Tradition V/ s NIDHI And Brake Hindu CO
Nidhi You Can Go And Pray in Mosque With Man ??? If Muslim Not Allow To Pray With Man Then Go To Court Let SEE // What You Do ?? You Know It They Will K&LL You
Ldf is right
suneesh sebastian ldf is never right.. dey r always left.. even the name says so..
last ldf govt its going to be in Kerala
The law must enforced .. why the dilemmas 🎈
Flawed judgments do find resistance from the citizens, by the ways laws are to be enacted and followed by the will of the citizens, rather than be ENFORCED. You cannot call this a democratic country if laws are enforced on citizens...
Whetherc devotees or not, women shd be allowed. Let God himself come and stop women. Who are these human beings to stop anyone.
The debate is in english and in dignified manner. Thats y bhakts have problem with the debate and the points being put forward
South Indians know enlgish better than the britishers, you seem to have a narrow & skewed opinion on the South Indians. It is very clear from the debate that it is scripted and enacted to suit their agenda..
God chenal
I wonder why ? I like you Nidhi ❤️ is it your beautiful mesmerizing Voice, or is it your beautiful face, or is it your choice of beautiful colours dress which impresses me? Anyways a complete package beauty with brains is always good to have... Love ya ❤️
Almost the whole debate was wasted on the IRRELEVANT topic of beliefs. The verdict is already out. This is a clear case of failure of part of the Kerala government to implement the verdict and the debate should've been focused on that. This is dangerous levels of majoritarianism and a clear failure of democracy. That's coming from someone who is with the popular opinion..Although not for the same reasons.
God Ayyapa to born out of women. Why god does not want to visit him. Then why he is creating women. God the creator shd stop women being born.
If you have no knowledge of Hinduism.. why do you want to open your stink... if possible try to learn or keep shut.. In South India,you find temples belonging to Women Goddess at every nuke and corner. Temples belonging to Women Goddess are the highest in South India...