Romulan Lore : Starfleet's legitimate fear of the Romulan Star Empire
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Wow! How could TOS be so ignorant to continuity, Roddenberry obviously hadn't watched Enterprise before he made, very disappointing!
That was an awesome strategy to comment on the "lore breaking" in the original series based on the johnny-come-lately prequels rewrites of everything.
Ever heard of Temporal Cold Wars
Roddenberry also didn't give a damn about continuity
We know different people always have different ideas they wish to execute, which is why when an existing series is taken over by someone new you always see major changes, often ignoring the earlier material. This also occurs in time, the same person separated by a significant period of time is in many respects a different person. As they say, the past is a foreign country. You can see this is Asimov’s foundation series, with the sequels running off in a totally different tangent. Gene did the same with Star Trek, by TNG he wants to explore new ideas, which were not aligned with his earlier TOS. Both series are great, but TNG breaks so much TOS cannon that it was rumoured Gene wanted to exclude TOS from cannon.
I personally feel we need to use historical methodology and when we try and create cannon and always consider the earlier source material more accurate. Some changes can occur, as they could be considered as errors, such as changing lithium to di-lithium. But these would all be minor technical changes. Thus, create cannon based on TOS and only use the latter material which does not contradict the TOS cannon as true cannon. When the bible was created the same process occurred, with the latter gospels being discarded if they disagreed with the earlier gospels.
I suspect if someone did this we would have a very different history of Star Trek. As for time travel, changing a past event is more likely to cause a new time line, leaving the old one unaffected. Another theory is all possible outcomes are possible, but once observed the outcome is fixed. The other outcomes end up existing in different banes in a multi-verse. Only wild speculation, but its the only coherent method of dealing with the paradoxes of time travel. If we accept this then we can view time travel created time-lines as totally separate and thus can be excluded from cannon. Thus any cannon would only apply to the prime timeline (bad choice of phrases, but its all I could think of).
@@shaeker True. Canon is, in Star Trek's case, almost entirely a fan made creation or created by licensees making games that need consistent rules. Back in the day, everything, from what button Sulu pressed on his console to what ships the Romulans used to how fast the Enterprise could actually travel, depended entirely on the needs of that episode's story, the SFX budget, or even the specific shot the director wanted to film. The Romulans and their invisible ships were created entirely so they could re-tell a World War 2 submarine story in space. There was little to no intention for any race, villain, Kirk girlfriend, or planet they visited to ever appear in a later episode.
Berman actually forced Roddenberry to pay a lot more attention to the universe when putting together TNG, but even then there were a lot of things no script ever nailed down and the writers and producers definitely seem to prefer it that way. The fans want everything to work consistently.
For those who are interested, the books series by Christopher Bennett on the Romulan War is masterful in how it works in Enterprise with prior canon
Even a Paper Tiger can still give you a paper cut.
And a paper cut is pretty sharp
I'm thinking not quite but internal strife in Star Empire
And a paper cut can lead to an infection, and a infection can lead to death
Klingons are orks, Vulcans are uppity good elfs, and romulans are dark elfs. damn you space j. r. r. Tolkien!
zealotmaster1 I always thought of the Dark Eldar as Romulans in subspace
and the Q are the wizards
due to the dark eldar hobbies i cant see them being romulan's. romulan's like control from what ive seen.
Tellarites are Dwarves, Tholians are ineffable Lizardfolk, Andorians are Cat-People, Ferengi are Hobbits, and Cardassians are space Nazis.
Ferengi are like goblins/trolls, depending on the setting.
I've reconciled the continuity issues between Enterprise and TOS this way: during the war the ship building motto was "Build em cheap and stack em deep." They needed to quickly build up a war fleet, and so used tech that was more simple, less costly, and more easily manufactured; thus didn't use all the bells and whistles found on the NX class.
And for deep space exploration on the fringes of Federation territory and beyond, where the nearest shipyard is weeks away, you want tech that won't fail.
The problem here is that the TOS Enterprise in one episode was described as being able to wipe out an entire planet in 20 seconds. I'm going to get a lot of hate for this but I think the real solution is to just say TOS is no longer canon. That fixes everything. TOS was filmed at a time when the writers could not have planned that they were writing into a much larger universe because nothing like that had ever existed before. So for me whenever TOS canon is in conflict with the canon of another series I always just go with the "other" series as being the correct canon. Now hammer me with the 'dislike' button.
Edwin Williams I completely agree
@@edwinwilliams5322 Thing is both CBS and the fans still see TOS as the ultimate arbiter of what is Cannon. Hence the JJ verse being an alternate timeline than all other series. If you dig you will find cannon answers that make TOS fit, this is due to later revisions by Rodenberry and CBS. As the original poster stated there were very few of the new NX type ships available so they used the old ships they had available many were using tech 100 or more years out of date for the time of the war. The Romulans likewise had very few modern ships available and their whole strategy was to use what modern ships they had as a heavy strike unit that would be followed by dozens of ships that were like the United Earth 100 or more years out of date. At the time only the Klingons and Andorians were focused on keeping all ships up to date. Also the war was such a disaster for the United Earth they rewrote history to basically tone down how badly Earth had done, hence the fear of the Romulans. The war was not won by either side it ended up mostly a draw with massive losses of ships and lives. Think Vietnam, how little is known now by the average person compared to those who lived through it on both sides.
@@edwinwilliams5322 Just because TOS tech is more simplified doesn't mean it's less effective or lethal. A T-90 gets the job done as effectively as any NATO tank. Improvements in Jeffries and computer technology by Richard Daystrom allowed for better automation so less control surfaces were needed. That's how I see it anyway. Ymmv.
I'm quite fond of the Romulans, they were intended to be the original arch-enemies in Star Trek
Owen Wildish after DS9, I like the Cardassians better die to their better characterisation and backstory. No Romulus equivalents yet to Gil Dukat or the sublime Elim Garak.
I thought that was the klingons, the romulans were only in like two episodes of the original series.
@@Daemon__Sultan True before they met the Klingons from the original series. They're unique & interested than all other species.
dark zeratul clearly you prefer action over plot
Ya shame that never happened
YES, STAR TREK'S DARK SPACE ELVES
I think the preferred term is Drucarie
@@justinrivera1618 ummm that's a weird way to spell moriquendi.....
Dark eldar > Romulans because Lelith Hesperax is best bae who will totally not kill me in the most........creative way possible. plus cute fluffy warp beasts.
Space Drow?
@@kybercat7 Vile Xenos! Praise the Emperor!
Romulans way of thinking and their designs on ships have always bveen my fav of the alpha Q races
my theory is that Enterprise is taking place in an altered timeline created as a result of the events of First Contact and the temporal cold war , so technology became more advanced in the past because of technology from the future (also due to other time travel mistakes such as Scotty giving future knowledge to the 20th century , the US military reverse engineering Chekov's communicator and phaser which he left on the Aircraft carrier Enterprise in star trek 4, Starlin finding the future ship from Voyager, etc etc )
this would also explain why in the Kelvin timeline and Discovery technology is more advanced than it should have been in the original timeline
That's my own headcanon as well. Picard/The Borg changed the timeline in 2373 when they traveled back in time and used future technology to alter the first warp flight. This is why the beta canon of the 22nd century written before Enterprise doesn't align with what's been on screen.
That's my belief as well, when the Borg went back in time and Picard went back to stop them, he polluted the timeline, i.e. Borg sphere in arctic and deaths of Zefram Cochrane's original crew. Yes, Captain Picard saved the Federation per se, but he ended up creating a new history, like Sisko did in 2024 with Bell Riots.
Well, you see, enterprise is in the “prime timeline” which is something something 25% different, tell me when this joke gets funny
@@time391 Sisko and Bashir had their combadges stolen in 2024 and never got them back. So someone reverse engineered it probably
@@NitpickingNerd True, the c̶a̶m̶p̶s̶ _Sanctuary Districts_ seems like a Trump second term policy.…
When extra power is needed to bolster the main power output then the impulse reactors get fired up to generate additional power.
So the Romulans had warp drive but it wasn't powered by matter-antimatter reactors.
Fusion power while far more limited could be used to power a warp drive.
The Phoenix I believe was powered by fusion since Zefram Cochrane had no access to antimatter tech and he was making do with the tech on hand.
That's why that one bitchy Romulan kept going on about expending fuel and getting back to Romulus. And they were eating into that fuel supply pretty heavily between the cloak and main weapon not to mention propulsion and such.
Theoretically if the physics could be mastered, warp drive would be available even today. The key is having sufficient power levels to sustain it. Zefram Cochrane's Phoenix did not have enough energy reserves to sustain it for very long, but in that case it was not important as much as proof of concept. Same with many demonstration cars that never make it to production in the real world today but the main idea is to prove the concept is viable, which is what ultimately results in pushing the envelope on what is possible for production. Through the 1950s and even into the early 1960s cars had thick walled engines with trailer skirting that resulted in bulky and extremely heavy Motors. At the dawn of what became the muscle car era they went to thinner walls with deep skirts which allowed them to make much bigger engine displacement with much lighter engine blocks and heads. So by extension to space in the realm of Star Trek the idea of how the romulans powered their spacecraft versus Starfleet or even the Klingons certainly shows that they have certain abilities but using them pushes the envelope. The best parallel there is the development of the submarine. During World War II most submarines operated primarily on the surface and only submerged to attack enemy shipping or enemy vessels, the nature of how the U-Boat was developed because on the surface they ran their diesel engines and underwater ran on battery. Nowadays they run on nuclear propulsion and stay submerged for whole months at a time perhaps being submerged for their entire mission. In the case of the episode the balance of Terror it is clear that the Romulan ship could only sustainably stay cloaked for brief periods of time because of the power consumption required to do so. Fast forward to the next Generation era they could be fully operational and remain cloaked almost indefinitely until needing to decloak to attack.
Inconsistencies with Enterprise can be hand waved away, because the entire series was a holonovel Will Riker was playing.
written by a holo doctor.
Just the last episode.
Turbo Pokey Probably not, it’s already established that to 24th century people Kirk looked different in person than he did in his holo images because 23rd century holo tech was relatively primitive.
So how could Rikers program look so exactly like the places and people seen in all five seasons of ENT? It only makes sense if all seasons were the same holonovel program🤷♂️
DrewLSsix -Sorry, where was that established? I don't recall that mentioned in any of the other series. (The DS9 tribbles episode? ) Riker was supposedly having issue with what to do because Admiral Pressman was coming to see him and I doubt he would've had time to push through even snippets of materials in the NX-01 logs from launch to decommissioning. Guess we will just have to disagree.
I prefer to think it was historical records from an alternate past recorded in that 26th century ship they found that one time with the fake historian from the 22nd century.
Yes! I’ve been waiting for a break down of the Romulans.
This clip illustrates the problem with prequals. No one wants to stay with canon.
What if romulans had switched from matter/antimatter + dilithium to the artificial singularity seen in TNG, and TOS mistook it as not having warp drive and the romulans not wanting to show off anything and make the federation think they're less capable
Perfection.
6:47 I don’t care if I’m alone, painted starships are cool.
You are not alone.
Should have happened more in the series, tbh.
Dukat: "Major, requesting permission to dock. It's been a long journey and my bird of prey requires maintenance. Please inform Mr. Obrien that we have made alterations since our last interaction."
Kira: "...all you did was paint flames on it."
Dukat: "Yes. Damar says it makes the ship go faster."
@@bbbbKeJodddd NO DATS DA COLOR RED YA GIT!
They sure are. In FASA's Starship Combat Simulator back in the 80s, it's mentioned that the Federation also had a few painted ships...the U.S.S. Richtofen, its saucer being painted vibrant red, and the Chandley class U.S.S. Blackheart which had a black heart painted on each warp engine pylon.
@@26th_Primarch a conversation between any Star Trek character and 40k Orks would be hilarious. Hell, just dump Orks into the middle of Federation territory and grab some popcorn!
There could be a explanation for why Starfleet and the Federation where determined to avoid a war with the Star Empire during the time grime of TOS.
The Klingon Empire was the more active threat, at the time, a large portion of the fleet COULD have been stationed along the Klingon Neutral Zone dealing with Klingon raids and such. Then factor in that it’s possible the reminder of Starfleet was spread out on exploratory missions or other patrols. The admiralty made the hard call of sacrificing the stations and the Enterprise to buy the needed time to mobilize a defensive force and keep the Klingons covered.
Just a theory though
That is a pretty good theory
You can also add that the Klingons ended up as such a big threat the Romulans stopped pressing their tendrils at the Federation and chose them instead probably trying to get Duras elected in the meantime to blossom out later on like when they tried to assassinate the governor in that TNG episode much later (though knowing Klingon honour codes it'd take them a while). We do know the Romulans eventually bought ships off them, indicating they were willing to negotiate that way and offer the Klingons something of raw value in return or owe them a favour. Later the Romulans then saw the better picture of trying to force the Klingons to kill the Federation with Narendra 3 which in an alternate timeline worked.
Hell, even when it came to the Dominion the Romulans would happily sit by until their hated enemies the Federation were destroyed until Sisko messed them up.
I always figured that the Enterprises sensors couldn't detect the Romulan BOP's warp drive because it was unknown. Scotty couldn't get a reading so he assumed that the ship had impulse only. The Romulans in TNG use an artificial black hole. Maybe these ones did as well.
By the way, here's a counter argument regarding Balance of Terror:
Warp: FTL speed.
Impulse: sublight speed.
The warbird: NO generational crew, no stasis pods.
Conclusion: the warbird HAS TO HAVE WARP. Therefore, it's reduced to impulse only when using cloak, due to the power output needed. Plain and simple. You warp in the fringes a system, then you cloak your ship and approach your target on impulse only. Then you go back to the limits of the system and warp again, once you lost or dealt with your eventual pursuers.
My personal headcanon regarding the warbird in TOS is this: We know from later Star Trek installments like TNG that Romulan engine technology is vastly different from most other races, including quantum singularity reactors as their main power source, rather than matter/antimatter reactors popular with most other races. Therefore, especially with very prominent warp nacelles, it is likely that the warbird from TOS had a variant of that quantum singularity reactor powering it, with some fusion generators as backups just like on Starfleet ships. Given the elusive nature of the ship, it’s likely that not enough data was gathered to pin down the main reactor as the power source, with only the fusion reactors “simple impulse” being properly identified. As for the lack of warp maneuvers, it’s been shown later to interfere with a cloaking device. If the intention was to slip away from the Enterprise, bringing up a highly visible warp field is a bad idea, especially if the Enterrpise is faster. The second part is a bit more shaky, but not impossible either.
There’s also the “Mothership Hypothesis” where there was a warp capable ship to tow the warbird home. I’m not a fan of this, especially since multiple outposts are destroyed, and there’s never any sign of a potential rescue performed by said mothership.
@@crgkevin6542 This is a good headcanon. I might subscribe to your newsletter...
Any thoughts on why the TOS romulan clocking device seems to be about a meter tall, single man transportable and relatively light but it's shown in DS9 that the more modern klingon varient is bulkier, heavy enough to need two men to carry and is explicitly stated to be smaller/lighter than the one on the Defiant, which is Romulan loaned?
It could be that at that tech level, Warp fields could not be cloaked, so any warp travel was like a wake, letting the other ship know where to fire (drop a depth charge in the analogy).
There is some canon in that, TNG Tin Man they can detect Warbirds running at full warp because of subspace distortions.
@@AngPur what is bigger, a sowing needle (or, say, a full set of them) or a sowing machine?
You don't need to jump through those loops to get there. After all, due to time dilation, the crew at near to light speed would not experience the months or years that would go by.
However, if you watch the graphic Spock puts up during the crew briefing, you can gauge how fast the Romulan BoP went based on the eight minutes it was expected the Enterprise to take to get to Outpost 4 starting from the bottom corner of the screen. Since the screen was divided in to a grid, Enterprise had to make it across eight squares in eight minutes at maximum warp. The distance to the Neutral Zone from OP4 is one square. When the first estimate is given by Stiles, they are stated to be "less than a hour" from the NZ. Thus by simple math we can infer a speed of about 80 c, if we use the non-canon warp speed charts.
An option you did not explore:
Scotty said there POWER was simple impulse.
A lot of this can be summed up with "Like many Voyager writers the Enterprise writes didn't worry about canon and just wrote stories like they were writing fan fiction."
A way to explain the atomic weapons quote would be that increased production of starships would require all of the UE’s capacity to manufacture antimatter just to fuel the warp drives of the new vessels, leaving none left for warheads.
To understand the Romulans you need to understand the production economics of TOS. The Romulans were the first “enemy” race of the Federation, or more accurately the United earth, which were involved in the first war with the Romulans. The issue was the makeup was too expensive, which is why so many Romulans had helmets in their first encounter. As a result the Clingons were created to replace them in most of the subsequent episodes. That is why they were so elusive in TOS. By the time of TNG this issue was gone, but the basic history of the Romulans was set.
As for the Romulans helping to create the Federation, its unlikely the federation existed during the first Earth Romulan war, but its likely this war may have helped to create the federation. I consider this another cannon stretching in order to end “Enterprise” on a high note.
A final point, if United Earth was capable of ending a war with a Romulan’s with a draw, it is clearly the most powerful race in the federation. The creation of the federation made the federation superior to the Romulan Star Empire, but not by a factor of 2 or more. While this expansion of Earth power may have occured after "Enterprise", its more likley United Earth was always much more powerful that shown in "Enterprise" and they were dumbed down due to the cannon stretching in Final Contact and to give us a more interesting story in "Enterprise".
Most evidence points to the Federation being incorporated as a result of the war's conclusion.
I agree with this based on my reading of TOG. It makes so much more sense.
Of course they were more powerful than shown. Look at the mirror universe episodes. They conquered the Vulcans, Telerites, and the militant Andorians. Granted with capturing Vulcan tech at the time of first contact, but by the time of Romulan/UE war, the UE would have had some Vulcan tech anyway...with some Andorian tech also.
"I'd like to do to T'Pol what Enterprise is doing to Star Treks continuity."
This is a great video. I been looking forward to a break down of Enterprise
Look at the map, and look at the events. If Romulan ships had *no* FTL capacity, then the other three ships got away. If Mark Lenard's ship had no FTL drive, then he could not have attacked Outposts 1, 2, and 3.
@@indetigersscifireview4360 If there were no other Romulan ships (as the episode shows) then the one must have been moving fast enough to have hit outposts several light years away from each other.
Regarding Impulse:
memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Impulse_drive
It is a sublight drive.
@@lynngreen7978 it says it is commonly used to achieve sublight. It also says further down: "Dialogue from several episodes, including "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "The Doomsday Machine", suggests that the impulse drive could be used in some manner to propel a ship at faster than light speeds, albeit with a lower maximum speed and a higher rate of fuel consumption than the main warp drive."
@@robertbrown1141 All I recall from those episodes was that the Dilithium (or Lithium in the case of the pilot) crystals were damaged, and the ship was limited in FTL travel. Prior to the Berman era, Dilithium was not required for Warp, only for Warp speeds higher than those of Pre-Federation spaceships (Warp 5 or better).
The term Earth Vessel might be linked to the Romulan teachings about their issues with Vulcan. They may have been teaching young Romulans that the true reason for the severance of the two was really due to Earth. Like how North Koreans think that outsiders are separating them from the South.
With those type of teachings they would not try to legitimize the Federation, and would probably teach the the Earth was the dominant culture, therefore the ships were Earth ships.
After all it was the Earth ship Enterprise that interfered with the Romulans plans to unite them with Vulcan. The history would be told in the Star Empire's favor.
Umm, I thought they separated way before humans even achieved warp drive.
(possibly even before they themselves achieved warp drive, which would explain how they could forget about it occuring... kind of a Khan thing, only that it was a larger group that got exiled or exiled themselves...)
Silkwesir they were. I was referring to how they would educate their people, not how it really happened.
Absolutely love the Romulans. Cunning, and always working the shadows. Great work!
Agreed. They are full of surprises of a nasty nature. A great adversary (created by great writing).
Awesome video 😀
I really hope you could do a bigger series on romulan federation relations from United earth to post Dominion war. Really like your videos!
The technology to see through the cloak did not come from Starfleet it came from Daniel's the time traveler in a previous episode cuz the suliban had cloak quotes and I kidnap torture Captain Archer
And *Section 31* never got their hands on it and made a copy, even though Reid was a member.
They never snuck a look at _Daniel's time vault_ either? Or maybe they did and realizing that Earth comes out the winner in the 31st century, decided to play it low key and not introduce unnecessary ripples …
They could be a sort of temporal agency as well in a way, making sure the Federation wins by subtle intervention without rivals ever knowing that they had a secret leg up/boost, loading the dice but letting the bodies hit the floor and the Federation lose when required.
Tough loving Starfleet to help it prevail, a bit like Q's Enterprise-D Borg sojourn, which gave Starfleet just enough to be ready for Borg 2 and 3, and especially the Dominion.
And maybe Section 31 ships with super tech (undetectable cloaks and transporters are canon) ensure that pivotal events happen as they should.
They have decided not to be snowplow parents, eliminating all obstacles for the Federation, but instead letting them struggle, just being a secret safety rope for when they plummet.
Aware, yes- but I actually think it's that the Vulcan government didn't know what Romulans looked like. The fact that Romulans love of intrigue hides they're trying to get the federation members to weaken each other. It's the way they were playing with politics between any conflicts, they're doing it to further their own personal agenda.
The Romulans were aware of the Vulcans and their relationship to each other, that much is clear, even as far back as TOS given how much the female Commander knew about Spock and Vulcans in general. It's not much of stretch that they in their quest to reunite the two, kept themselves in the shadows while they played their intrigues so as not to alert the Vulcans that followers of the Raptor had returned.
@@thomasackerman5399 It's also possible the Vulcan's were lying. They were pretty shady in Enterprise around when the war took place.
I kinda figured that the reason that the romulan plasma weapon from BoT was slow so is because it was meant to be used against 'fixed' targets like the outposts, starbases, or ground based facilities.
it followed the Enterprise even at Warp... how is that a slow weapon?
@@silkwesir1444 The Enterprise outran it...
@@26th_Primarch no, they didn't. The Enterprise _was_ actually _hit_ by the weapon. The Enterprise retreating only delayed impact enough so that by then, it had lost so much of its power that it didn't do any damage.
I enjoyed this one a lot. Romulans have always been one of my favourite races in trek. I'd love to see an early 25th century series where they finally made peace with the federation
I haven't watched in quite awhile. You have really upped your video editing game.
Thanks for the compliment :) Im always trying to improve
To be honest..I favour the original ToS "history" lesson and encounter with the Romulans in balance of terror over EVERYTHING Enterprise threw in..
There is such a mistery regarding the romulans. And Stiles behaviour still shows how MASSIVE their influence is, even after 100! years of "silence".
The federation is STILL afraid of them. Which means that the war with the romulans must have been INCREDIBLE devastating, at least in a psychological way.
And that the romulan Commander calls the Enterprise an earth ship might be cause he may have been around at the time of the war as a young man, so for him the true enemies are the HUMANS, so he calls Federation ships earth ships. And yes, those outpost should have been build shortly before the Federation was formed so you can technically call them "earth outposts" I guess.
And I love the things Spock told about that war... Fought with "primitive" ships and nuclear weapons.
Sounds so real and GRITTY, I always imagined how horrifying that war must have been.
Maybe it is a good thing we NEVER saw it on the big screen.. So the war just stays there, in our memories...
Forever DARK and GRITTY
JAG out
Honestly I don't think the Romulans were the real reason they were because they were afraid of the Romulan's might, the real issue is they were afraid of what underhanded tactics they could pull especially when desperate. The federation already dealing with Klingons couldn't chance to deal with an enemy who could potential both rival them in power and tactics while fighting the "direct" Klingons. You can plan and predict what a fleet of Klingon ships might do and succeed, you can't do the same with the Romulans.
And that is precisly WHY Romulans are feared for centuries. Their secret ops and hidden operations were far above any major Alpha Quadrant power could pull of except maybe section 31!
dude i love your new openings
I appreciate how you try and make sense of Trek’s canon inconsistencies. Especially the seemingly blatant inconsistencies that have appeared since ENT. I personally ignore ENT and explain Scott’s comment about simple impulse as talking about the War Bird’s power plant and not it’s inability to go to warp. Just my two cents.
In the original series episode " Balance of Terror " Mr Spock informs Kirk that the Romulans are an off shoot of the Vulcan species
Awesome Lore. I'm looking forward to your Romulan Lore breakdown. Romulans have a lot of lore to be explored.
I have a theory. Maybe the war between United Earth and the Romulan Star Empire set them both back technology wise by some large degree? Hince the hesitation to readily go to war with them again. I mean look how fast the Federation was willing to go to war with the Klingons? But Romulans? Hell no, we must prevent that! How odd or interesting is that.
I took Scotty's explanation of "simple impulse" as a description of power generation, not propulsion. The fusion reactors that powered impulse engines can run a warp drive, though it would be slow. Cochrane's PHOENIX was powered by a reactor.
My favourite faction of all the other!
Glad to have a series on them and, as usual, I recommend reading the Way of D'Era RPG manual, for a satisfying and deserving take on the Romulan Star Empire... the starship to have them fully developed as long warped away, so all that remains for us fans is finding the best extra material!
Its possible that in the arms race between sensors and countermeasures, TOS occurred at a time when federation sensors were capable of piercing all cloaking technology the federation was aware of, and that the Romulan cloaks were of a new and hitherto unknown technology. The exact nature of the interaction between cloaking and sensors has probably varied wildly over the centuries.
Beautiful intro and outro!
@2:10 Thank you. I was getting steamed, as usual, at Star Trek prequels' lack of regard for continuity now being recounted as official lore (which, I mean, it completely is, even if I don't like it)... but this little bit of sarcasm was the perfect complement to the treatment of this subject matter. Muchos gracias.
If the cloak and/or weapon prevented the warbird from going to warp, perhaps it had a warp=capable carrier assigned to transport it across interstellar distances? The carrier was large and fast, but quite vulnerable in battle, and thus made sure to keep out of the _Enterprise's_ way?
Inde tiger Maximum impulse is well established as .25C. C is Warp 1.
But even if it were otherwise, an interstellar force will need to travel _significantly_ faster than C to accomplish much of anything.
Inde tiger Maximum impulse as .25C comes from the old Star Trek Encyclopedia. I can’t recall an episode citation offhand, but if the Okudas said it was so, it was.
Also, if Warp 1=C, then “faster than light but slower than warp” is a non sequitir.
Inde tiger Warp 1 is C and maximum impulse is .25C. I’ve had enough of you now.
Inde tiger I will.
So what you’re saying is is by today’s standards TOS makes no sense and today’s writers are trying to steer clear of the 1960s mindset
TOS makes infinitly more sense than std or stp
Different writers, different rules...just roll with it.
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A third answer on the Warbird not having warp: The warpdrive was damaged in such a way where it wasn't usable, yet they focused on their mission because it was their job.
I always thought the Romulan ship can not use the cloak and the warp drive at the same time and the Romulan commander had no reason to believe his ship is faster than the Enterprise.
The problems with the cloaking can be solved if we assume that the Romulans had more then one completely diffident cloaking technologies.
1. Radio silence with complete signal absorption.
2. Shielding with signal redirection.
3. partial or complete phase shift.
The first one don't need much energy. It's even based around the idea of being complete passive. The fast developing technology of the Starfleet made it obsolete. It didn't even count as a cloaking system later on.
The second is the most used system and needs vast amounts of Energy. With this the statement that it's imaginable but not practical makes sense, because of the time mater/antimatter reactors could not produce the needed energy. This was also the time the Romulans switched to singularities as energy source. It got more and refined and optimized over the years.
The third was in development for a long time but never got out of the experimental phase.
Aren't all the bad guys paper tigers xD I mean sure they huff and puff, sometimes even smash some ships, but except for like the borg not really a lot of planetary damage going on. More like border disputes and pretending you're gonna invade kind of stuff.
Great idea throw Discovery head long into an alternate universe where the Klingons do take over earth.
I always assumed that T'Pol was under orders to lie about the Romulans.
Honestly how the United Earth was surprised by cloaks in tos is surprising
Keep in mind, Enterprise NX-01 and Archer was Given that tech by Daniels who is from the 31st century. It was not developed by starfleet of the NX era. My guess is the tech was surpressed later on for "Temporal Prime Directive" reasons. Enterprise was heavily influenced by temporal changes to the timeline. That timeline was altered from the original Canon. The Suliban were not even suppose to be genetically altered or encounter the Enterprise NX-01 int he original timeline, those events were influenced by temporal agents from the future. Events that took place in TOS may have been slightly altered in regards to cloaks or invisibility screens later on as well which we haven't seen yet.
lore WELL DONE ON THE DOMINION WAR. you can stick the Orville right in that timeline. about 75 years after that war.
also during the TOS era Romulans had to stay silent or whisper during cloak, almost like a submarine, I liked that detail
About the Romulans not having warp, is it possible that the Federation just couldn't detect their technology? Perhaps the singularity reactor was new or not known to the Federation so they couldn't have known to scan for it.
It might be an interesting idea for you to do a general video analysis series, on how “changes in culture” can be a good excuse for continuity errors in Trek - particularly between series. The “no surrender” policy among Romulans in “Balance of Terror” could be argued as inconsistent with their future appearances. So in that case, one could argue that a change in Romulan culture instigated a more pragmatic approach to that policy.
I’d want to use this also, as an explainer for the changing appearances of Klingons, between Enterprise, Discovery, and TOS. It’s the simplest of all explainers - no biological change. No freak mutations. Just a much simpler reason - Body modding became a Klingon trend. Theoretically, you could even say it came from some archaeological find, which influenced everything from architecture, to starship design, to even how most Klingons wished to appear, in the few generations of Klingons leading up to and including Discovery. Klingons then make extensive efforts to adopt what they believe to be the “appearance” of their furthest ancestors, according to what was extrapolated about Klingon physiology from this find. Potentially some Klingons may have even adopted a more religious idea - leading very much to the ways laid down by T’Kuvma - that to adopt a certain “more reverent” look through extensive body modding, is to adopt the appearance of Kahless. And that’s really not such an alien concept, to present day humans - after all, we have men who make insane efforts to try and look like Jesus Christ; white men especially, despite the fact that the image of “white guy Jesus” is actually from artistic depictions which used the face of Cesare Borgia. Understand where I’m going with this, though - that “true appearance of Kahless”, as a trend, could be based on some misconceptions or warped historical propaganda of its own, which emerged in Klingon society at that time.
What are your thoughts? I just reckon “cultural changes” make sense for filling a lot of continuity gaps in Trek, given that between the 22nd and 24th centuries we see changes in Human, Vulcan, and Andorian cultures as well. Indeed, by all appearances, the Ferengi seemed to change in the span of only 5 years, from mostly reckless greedy scheming savages, to mostly libertarian capitalists who place a spiritual and political value in profit. It’s not like these things can’t happen.
Klingons, Romulans and several other of the Federation's Enemies invade earth. It quickly falls but then out of nowhere a unknown human fleet from Andromeda exits the Warp and quickly takes out the hostile fleet with railgun wepons. Then they land troops to liberate the planet, their leadership quickly establishes a base in DC and raise the flag of a old earth nation over the white house.
Great video Lore. Keep up the good work.
It could be that early clocking tech was to weak to hide ships in TOS era from sensors (as we say with ENP counters where already in the works), the big change coming in the balance of terror.
Nice video, new sub. I think I recall in s1 of Disco a mention that the sarcophagus [and “house” ships were] the only [ones] to have cloaking tech and we’re slowly distributing it to those who joined their offensive... could be wrong tho.
The amount of continuity errors is directly proportional to the number of Star Trek episodes.
you're not wrong
What's interesting about TNG Romulans is the bulk of their fleet was shown to consist of D'Deridex's (until Nemesis) a ship on par or just below that of a standard Galaxy Class. Depending on the size of the Romulan Fleet the Federation had every right to fear the Empire with only 6 Galaxy's in service, the rest of Starfleet's ship classes could be out matched by the Romulan Fleet
About the "Why don't they know about the cloak thing"
1) Maybe Starfleet classified the whole thing?
2) Maybe the cloak tech got massively upgraded by the Romulans between shows and, without continued contact with the Romulans, their understanding of the tech became so outdated it no longer applied?
3) Timey-Wimey Wibbly-Wobbly via Time War
Scotty says that the Romulan ship (in Balance of Terror) had "Impluse power," but in Star Trek that means fusion power. Fusion reactors can power warp engines, just not as well as matter/antimatter reactors. So they'd be slow compared to the Enterprise but not without super-luminal speed. Also the purpose of the ship in that episode is like a submarine - sneak up and unleash a deadly attack, then sneak away. Speed is not crucial if you rely on stealth, and perhaps a high "warp wake" would give away their location anyway, or at least give away their presence overall. The small, stealthy, hard-hitting Romulan ship was likely a bit of a "glass cannon," having no hope whatsoever of defeating the Enterprise in a head on "fair fight" but built to rely on stealth. I suspect that the Romulan Star Empire had bigger bruiser ships as well, but these attacks were to test how big of an advantage the small stealth ships gave the Empire. When they found out that the Federation ships were just so fast and powerful they probably figured their own heavy cruisers just couldn't compete, so in a later episode they traded with the Klingons - a bunch of D7 cruisers in exchange for cloaking tech, out of fear of the Federation being able to crush them in open warfare.
Re: The Romulan ship's lack of warp drive. Perhaps the plasma weapon took up so much space on what appears to be a small ship that the warp core had to be removed in order for there to be space. Galactica addressed the same issue with the Recon Viper, removing the laser generator for the extra pulse generator on all engines
The Romulan ship not being able to go to warp was also a comparison to a real life battle it was based off in WW2: Submarines vs Destroyers (in this analogy, the Enterprise). Romulan ship can stealth like a submarine but is more slower than a Destroyer that can outpace it. Submarines have mid-range torpedoes, Destroyers have big mid to long range guns that can fire blindly like what the Enterprise did and if it scores a hit then it wrecks a submarine (of course depth calculations and all that).
The books covered this war really well. There was a degeneration of technology due to the ability of Romulan's to hijack the more advanced systems of the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites. They actually used this as an explanation for how much more primitive the TOS Enterprise looks compared to Enterprise.
So some possibilities/ideas I want to offer up for consideration.
1. It wasn't section 31, but a Tal Shiar operation following the creation of the Federation to slowly warp and distort information about prior encounters with the Romulans in order to keep their existence and capabilities hidden from this newly created superpower.
2. The cloaking technology wasn't perfected over night and over the course of at least 100 years a series of trail runs were conducted by the Romulans including the infamous incident in "Balance of Terror" all in an attempt to tinker with and ultimately perfect the cloaking device.
3. When the Romulans refer to the Enterprise as an "Earth Ship", I interpret that to mean that the design is from the Human branch of Starfleet and that Andorian and Vulcan Starfleet ships are a bit different in design likely to better suit their species which evolved in different planetary conditions from Humans.
4. On the Romulan vessel not having warp. It's possible that the Romulan vessel had another form of FTL propulsion other than warp speed, but I actually prefer the idea of it having a atachable/detachable module that we never see in the episode which allows the ship to go to warp. You could even say that this module exists because the nature of cloaking devices at the time made them impossible to use in the presence of a warp drive or matter/anti-matter reactor which can even explain the later usage of micro-singularity devices in the 24th century Warbirds.
5. The Romulan Empire is actually significantly smaller than the Federation and it's primary strength truly is subterfuge and misinformation. The Empire can't fight the other powers in a true 1-1 fight because they'll lose very time, but they can use deceit and subtlety to keep their enemies guessing what the proper course of action is when dealing with the Star Empire and keeping their truth strength a mystery. This would help explain why during the Dominion war, despite being a part of the Three way Alliance they seem to only contribute a handful of D'Deridex class Warbirds and... nothing else. No smaller cruisers and support ships, just a handful of Warbirds.
Anyway, I hope these generate some thoughts and get the ole' juices flowing for anyone who reads. have a good day!
You mean 24th century warbirds...
@@dboymax1 Yea, my bad. I got my years all screwed up.
Fixed
@@Trojanponey No problem
Given how much was forgotten between the 22nd and 23rd centuries, I can't help but wonder if Starfleet had some massive loss of mission logs and reports at some point in the early 23rd century. This time period hits the sweet spot between being late enough that a good majority of those that wrote the logs and reports would be dead and early enough those living in the mid-23rd century would not have been able to read those reports before their destruction.
Edit: Forgot about Disco... For that incongruity, I got nothing beyond Disco being it's own timeline.
Maybe it happened when Memory Alpha blew up.
in Nemesis they do allude to government changes on Romulus this could explain why the Romulus, ellusiveness with some proconsuls but some are more aggressive
Plasma weapons were indeed used later. In one of the DS9 episodes Kira mobilizes Bajoran forces in a stand off against the Romulans who are stockpiling plasma torpedo warheads on a moon used as a base. This was after the Romulans joined the Federation and Klingons against the Dominion.
Balance of Terror episode was just plan ole OUTSTANDING WRITING..!
That section 31 guy on disco is Trill? I didn't even notice. lol
Couldn't be trill I don't think they joined the federation till way later
The Romulan empire has been shown on star maps as only some 40-50% of the federation space but the Romulans are shown as a direct major threat and match to the federation in a open war....and only a fraction of there fleet of starfleet itself.
Maybe it's the consistent competence and lack of any major weaknesses? Everybody else has some thing the Feds (and their Captains) can exploit, but not the Romulans. Their commanders are clever and skilled. Their ships are *generally* well-designed, sneaky and dangerous.
I find these Lore Reloaded episodes dealing with anything the TOS era rather interesting, but also find myself constantly doing comparisons with the history presented to that of Star Fleet Battles. SFB is a war gaming based very loosely on the Start Trek TOS and Animated Series. It treats the TV shows as just that TV shows, which create a slightly different version of the actual events they are based on. They have done a great deal to work out the conflicts in the cannon as well.
Regarding cloaking tech, I would imagine that as sensors improved, the power output and effort required to cloak a vessel would increase.
Chad Lumenarcus I would think there’d be a lot of leapfrogging each other. Making better sensors to detect any telltale signs of early cloaking devices, spurring the Romulans to continue making better cloaks to keep or increase their fleet’s abilities in battle and subterfuge. (Because who wouldn’t want a cloaking device on their ship?)
Romulans are good at hiding, but Federation is good at searching.
Another continuity error is the view screen in the original series they sead that no one has ever seen a roumulan because all battles were fought in space and view screen technology wasn't available but in enterprise both sides had them and the only reason no one knew about the shared ancestry with the vulcans is because the roumulans wore helmets
Things like this put me off watching enterprise for a very long time in the end I just had to tell myself I wasn't watching star trek I was just watching a si-fi show
Even tho they tried to make it okay with the "temporal war " stuff
Ah Consistency, a bane of lore to everyone.
I am okay with the continuity errors in Enterprise (except the warbird designs in Minefield they should have looked radically different). Like many other encounters (the Borg being one), its possible the United Earth Classified the encounter in order not to stroke xenophobic tendencies. Also, the Romulans in Kyshara appear to have only been talking to some Vulcans specifically, in this case Vosk. So its possible no one else knew they were there. As for what Spock would say about the war...got nothing. Maybe the weapons on the TOS era are just that much more effective than the ENT era. But with the way the Romulans respond to the Enterprise D latter on, I wouldn't doubt that after the Romulan war, the Romulans simply didn't keep up with Federation politics.
One more thing, the Impression I got from that Aenar Warbird was that the control needed was too difficult and was draining on the pilot, so they chose a non-Romulan figuring they were expendable. But we've also never seen a Romulan use telepathic abilities and at this point in time the Vulcan's rarely used theirs. Its possible that (as a couple of other channels have theorized) the Romulans may not have telepathic abilities, and its something that developed latter on Vulcan. Hell, it may have been what started the war that lead to the time of Surak to begin with. Just not enough known. And yes, I butchered the spellings, and I am not looking up ANYTHING!!!
The Romulan ship not having warp engines could make sense for several reasons. First would the previous mentioned power for the weapons and the name WARBIRD implies it was designed to fight and not to flee. The Romulans could also be using modular relay ships for warp travel.
I noticed that the encounter with the Romulans in the TOS episodes THE ENTERPRISE INCIDENT & THE DEADLY YEARS were mentioned. I think those episodes could've shed some more light on this lore theory. But I did enjoy the video. Also, the Romulan encounters in the TAS episodes THE PRACTICAL JOKER & THE SURVIVOR.
I believe ive addressed some of these in other videoa
Did you ever do a breakdown of the vidiians? You mentioned you would in a video I watched recently - one of your old ones - but I can't seem to find any
The weapon or cloak zapping power from the warp drive is quite plausible, not to cross fandoms but Star Wars Rebels had something similar with the prototype B-Wing presented during one episode in that it had a converging super laser for taking down capital ships (it's intended purpose) but using said laser drained the power supply of the fighter such that it couldn't muster enough power to jump to hyperspace after.
In beta continuity [also implied in ToS] the Romulans lacked high warp [5+ old scale] and the Klingons lacked cloaking prior to the D7 battlecruiser, a project combining Klingon engines and Romulan cloaking. In early ToS both factions used the D7
The Bird of prey probably had a warp 3 engine, 8x slower than 1701's warp 6 cruising, Taking the better part of a year to cross a single sector
The tactics were poor on the Romulan part. The right way to use the Warbird is in a wolf pack. One ship fires a tractor beam so the ship can't get away. Then the rest of the pack fires the plasma weapon. Keep pounding till you win.
there is another episode where they use them correctly, three of them, circling the Enterprise and every now and then one of them closing in and firing.
don't remember which episode that was and how they got out of it.
i do remember the music being very intense :D
EDIT: I looked it up, it was "The Deadly Years" (2x11)
Similar to the tactic they use in Star Trek Online, get within 3 km of a TNG era Warbird (I cannot spell the name, but I'm pretty sure some nerd in the comments section will correct me and berate me for watching and enjoying Discovery.) Lock on with a tractor beam and fire three torpedoes at my ship, ultimately destroying it if I'm not quick enough to deploy countermeasures.
@@oliverewarthopkins7818 Yeah, D'deridex class warbirds are a pain to deal with when they employ that tactic. It's not common but still.
One idea why the Enterprise thought they lacked warp drive might be that a 'quantum singularity-based drive' didn't register on sensors the way another warp system would? (Maybe even they were under orders not to reveal that technology at any cost, so only would use warp when they weren't being observed?)
It's quite possible that the Romulans just needed a race or species with EXTREMELY strong telepathic abilities, which with the early prototypes of the drone vessel the Romulans just didn't have the technology that would allow they themselves too pilot the vessel in question.
you do have to remember that enterprise takes place in a timeline heavily altered by tng/voyager
Both sides may have utilised atomic weapons (missiles & bombs) for planetary (and other installations) bombardment as at the time the ship mounted disrupters, plasma cannons and phasers were too feeble to penetrate a planetary atmosphere to reach the surface. Also many UE ships still carried atomic (fusion) torpedoes, as does the NX-01 at the start of the series. Photonic torpedoes were a new technology addition to the NX-01 and the UE would still have large stocks of older torpedoes to utilise when the Romulan War broke out. To ships with no shields and only electromagnetically (RF) charged hull plating, a hit from an atomic missile or torpedo would be devastating.
In the TOS "balance of Terror" episode, the commander of the warbird asks for one of the old style atomic warheads to be ejected in a debris cloud.
It is also assumed that the total power from the warbird's warp core was utilised to maintain the cloak and charge the plasma torpedo weapon, leaving only the subatomic impulse drive to propel the vessel. So rather like a U-Boat uses diesel motors on the surface for speed and then switches to slower electric propulsion when submerged, the warbird uses warp drive to close on the target and then cloaks whilst moving on impulse power.
In another TOS episode the Enterprise is pursued by warbirds and their top speed is given as, "Not faster than warp 4". In the original special effects the Enterprise's shields are shown being struck by small white missiles. This was originally the same animation used in the episode "Errand of Mercy" as in TOS Klingons also used the same missiles as they didn't have photon torpedoes.
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I thought that the reason for no prisoners or no quarters given, was all about the Romulans. They chose not to take prisoners or to be taken prisoner. They could have set their ships to self destruct, or ramming Earth ships in battle, if too badly damaged. Any prisoners the Romulans did take would have been tortured for information or executed as a means to show their people how strong their Empire was. And the Romulans could have already started using a forced singularity for warp. The Federation, not having any experience with that technology could have only detected the impulse system; and not being able to see anything that would power a warp system, believe the ship used only impulse.
The ship in "The Balance of Power" had to have warp. Otherwise it was launched years before the attack under one Praetor, who could have been forced or voted out of power by another person, or simply retired, and the Praetor when they returned would know that their information on Earth was out of date already. And that is key. No matter what, without warp, any information the ship discovered about Earth would be out of date.
KnightMage, just think how long it would’ve taken the Warbird to fly back to Romulus under impulse, told the Senate that they had defeated the Enterprise in combat, and then launched the entire fleet of ships not as advanced as the Praetor’s Pride to invade the Federation.
I’m sure Picard and the Enterprise D would’ve been waiting for them after all that.
My theory is that there's multiple forms and generations of cloaking devices, hence the surprise in DIS and TOS.
* We know there's regular cloaking and phase cloaking.
* We also know the NX-01 crew had to modify their cloak detection system in to locate the Romulan cloaks in addition to Suliban ones.
* We also know that, as of Nemesis, the Romulans had definitely perfected a previous generation of cloaks to make something harder to detect.
* It's beta canon that the Klingons licensed the Romulan design in exchange for other technological information. But it's pretty much guaranteed that they have forked the design and developed it differently enough that it's effectively incompatible and unknown to others. We know this because, as of Picard's time, the Romulans were unable to detect Klingon ships at close range. One was even orbiting their capital planet without easy detection.
Between these, it's basically canon that there's enough variety in cloaking technology that there isn't a universal detection system. With that in mind, the TOS and DIS people could have been surprised simply because a cloak they couldn't get past was new to them, and older crappier cloaks were simply detectable with sensors to the point that most people didn't need to be trained to look for them.
Also - POWER was 'simple impulse', not PROPULSION...
The Romulans are problematic in their three TOS appearances.
Season one: No Warp-just Impulse, nobody knows anything much about them and nobody Spock and his library computers has dealt with has seen them since the atomic war. They have a plasma torpedo and don't use any other weapons except an encased nuclear bomb.
Season Two: Enterprise is surrounded by three warbirds (stock footage from season one). OK... Emergency Warp (warp 8)...disappear they can't follow on impulse, outrun their three torpedoes. Even a desk jockey commodore could figure that out.
Kirk had to scare them off, run, and then after a few minutes they were falling behind. That sounds like at least warp 7.
Also the Enterprise is hit repeatedly/simultaneously at point blank range with those plasma torpedoes and shakes it off like bee stings. Humm.
Season Three: They bought Klingon ship design, so OK they now have warp and probably phasers. Ruskies and Chinese Reds stick together I guess.
However.....Spock now knows all about them. Knows their private customs. Knows the bloodlines. Knows lots of stuff. Knows he can do the deed with the Hot Romulan Commander. Was he LYING in season one? Was Styles right all along?
So just sticking with TOS, Romulan continuity is a bit dicey.
Oh and Impulse drive is obviously FTL capable. Just do the astrophysics in Where No Man Has Gone Before. They had to get to an Earth refuelling station from THE GALACTIC BOUNDARY so far out they'd never seen it before in just a few days, less than a week before Gary killed them all. The Valiant got to the boundary over a century before and at best that was Warp 2.
Leaving the solar system in TMP on impulse required at least 1.6C in the time suggested
To fight Kahn at Mutara...impulse took a few minutes to get there from a star system.
Star Trek VI, Sulu is heading home from his DEEP SPACE MISSION on 3/4 impulse.
TNG did it. Voyager did it. Enterprise did it.... Impulse is either FTL capable (without time relativity) or they are flying at 3/4 C and their ship time is so dilated that Starfleet Command in SF is dead and buried after their flight.
Honestly, there's a very easy answer regarding the various "inconsistencies". Many if not most of the Enterprise (NX-01) Encounters were classified, the Vulcans did know, but kept it classified/"not spoken of to outsiders" similar to Pon'Farr, as well. As for who in Starfleet/the Federation classified it, likely a mix of Starfleet Intelligence, Section 31, and maybe the civilian equivalent of Starfleet Intelligence. That's the same reason I assume that the connection between the Vulcans and Romulans was know to the very high ups, to guard against "infiltrators", but the average civilian and/or member of Starfleet didn't know about the connection.
For the cloaking capability, the existence was know, and is retconed from TOS, however it's tech level is the sensor tech could view the "old" Romulan Cloaks, not the new, "next gen Cloaks". The "lack of Warp" is another example of retconing from the original TOS, with later content.
Roddenberry, himself said, when he was making the Movies/TNG Era Shows, that TOS was similar to a "Novel Series" in that the broad outline happened as shown, but the minutiae, like women captains for a different example are "not canon" compared to later/prequel era shows and movies.
I have a theory about the lack of warp detected by the Enterprise.
Perhaps this warbird was the first Starfleet had encountered that was using a singularly as a power source. This would explain why the Enterprise only detected impulse because it was traditional tech and they probably couldn't even detect the singularity with their primitive sensors.
It's possible that the Warbird had warp drive but it didn't have a warp core like most ships and instead how to singularity like with later ships used by the romulan Star Empire
The thing you’ve got to remember is Enterprise is the events taking place due to intervention of the timeline retroactively backwards from the 31st Century, hence they didn’t know of the cloaks in TOS, those events were retroactively altered.
The quality of these videos have really jumped up in the last few months the fact that you have an ad break in the video itself so you're not just cut off mid sentence I don't see that anywhere else on TH-cam keep up the great work man!
Romulans are an interesting species, I actually think that they might have interbred with Klingon at some point during their separation from Vulcans. Remember the episode in TNG, where Dr. Crusher indicates the fact that Worf's blood could be used to save a Romulan soldier. It would make the entire Vulcan/Romulan/Klingon triple crossed.
@Lore, have ever thought of doing an origin of Trek species video? The Romulans make a good theoretical test bed for theory that they might be descended from Vulcans and modern Klingons :) Bajorans and Cardassians also have a close relationship with one another, in order to interbreed without technology, comfort women/hybrids like Ziyal/ect. It would be tragic and poetic for Cardassians to eventually find out that the people they persecuted were actually themselves.