Starship Lore : Intrepid Class - Multipurpose Ship
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The Intrepid Class ship is one that can have some debate among fans. What effectively is a great scout ship and a long range explorer - it can be a great ship.. if you ignore a lot of the inconsistencies.
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You never saw a Kardasian Quantum torpedo launch because none have survived it.
*Repeat it until becomes true*
This is the second comment that I didn't make that I have pinned ever.. you sit in a place of honor for your wit.
ok lol
Its actually spelled Cardassian. You are thinking of that shitty Kardasian show.
*Search it*
*Panics*
*Thinks clever response*
That's actually one of the best propaganda victory the Obsidian Order ever achieved. By making the federation miss spell Kardasian we reinforce the vision of "inferior savages" that the general population has of the nations.
Well Voyager was launched 3 weeks early. So astrometrics was to be added on Tuesday.
I'm surprised they didn't use that joke as a workaround and a nod to st:g
Voyager also wasn't supposed to get its real CO until Tuesday...and instead was stuck with Janeway as its warden, I mean captain.
No Janeway is Voyager's captain it's just they launched early before everything was installed.
Janeway is a terrible captain.
That was a super sweet Enterprise B reference. Lol
Voyager's problems, unique to Voyager were 1: It was not outfitted or supplied to go into deep space. It was out Maquis hunting. 2: It got heavily damaged during it's abduction by the Caretaker array and wasn't fully functional within normal parameters until it got back to Starfleet space, and the evershifting patchwork could also account for their inconsistencies in how fast the ship could go at any time. 3: Even in what the Federation considered to be Deep Space, Starfleet has space stations and freighter/cargo vessels to handle periodic resupply among a deep space fleet's support vessels. Deep Space 9 was one of 13 to bare the Deep Space Designation in the TNG/DS9/Voyager era. If Voyager had the support fleet/Deep Space station, proper supplies, and no damage she'd have been an excellent ship and had no problems functioning in deep space..
She was still an excellent ship... sexy too, gotta love her lines.
The Intrepid-class was,by far,the worst thing that was ever inflicted on Starfleet by Starfleet. Far from its ugly looks,the class was clearly ill-prepared for the challenges inherent in typical Starfleet operations:it was too weak to be an effective, single-ship combatant,too few scientific assets to be an effective exploration ship,few concessions towards serving a diplomatic function and too overly dependent upon Starfleet support and not sufficiently....self-sufficient.
The Intrepid-class was the polar opposite of the Defiant-class in that the design was too focused on one mission or another and lacked the balance to be a truly effective tool for use in the unexpected and seemingly unlikely situations that another class,say a Constitution is well-equipped to tackle.
@@blairbrown4812 I'd give t the #2 spot. The Oberth was far worse.
You'd think voyager would be the ship to HAVE kids. Since, you know, out of range for years...
Even with everything at its best, the travel to the delta quadrant would had still killed crew, and damaged the ship.
You forgot something unique and important about the intrepid class it was the first to use organic components in its circuitry and power transfer..
+Ken Jett You are absolutely right..the ship can get sick..I forgot they made a ship that can get sick..
But discovery and the fungus drive...
gaseous clay myself dont consider Discovery as part of Trek cannon just yet. The technology they use just dosnt line up with the time period in my view.
Ken Jett in your view? In canon, period. A holographic subspace communication system in use before Kirk that was beta tested by Sisko when Defiant was the first to receive this revolutionary upgrade... And that was just the most obvious and earliest example.
Ryan Gunn exactly they use alot of technology on Discovery that is way ahead of the time period they are suppose to be in. So in my opinion i do not consider Discovery as cannon or part of Trek unless they do somekind of time displacement to somehow make it fit. Although i dont see how it could be possible with the contact Discovery has had with Starfleet in the time period shown.
Can I offer a suggestion as to why the Intrepid may include a landing gears. It could be use to land on a surface to conduct long term research much like our scientific base on the arctics. It lands on a planet, conduct extensive research on a planet that would take months if not years, before leaving going onto the next planet. No need to put up a permanent base you may have to abandon, when you have a livable starship that can leave at a moments notice.
It could also explain why its called a long range science ship, for it would land on planets outside of Federation space to conduct research, and be able to leave quickly if needed for they find the planet is claimed by someone else. Also explain why it was not design for long range deep space mission because its not a long range exploring craft. Its a ship design to conduct research on phenomenon Starfleet exploration ships discover and then come back if turn to be hostile. Or conduct research in enemy territory to collect information without the enemy knowing it, and if they do, it has the speed and firepower to escape.
This also suggest it could be design as a mobile base ship where Starfleet setup forward operations in enemy territory to conduct raids, or spy on enemy forces while powered down a planet in their space.
And in combat, it can serve as a troop transport to planets or stations where transporters are not option, and neither a fragile shuttles. Can also sever as an admiral flagship. As it was stated Dominion tactics were to force a lot of firepower on single ships with those famous or carrying an admiral on board, and it must be a lot more to hit if its small, fast and even hit has powerful sheilds strong enough to survive a borg encounter.
I believe you make many good points here. As long as the Federation continues to operate without cloaking technology, being able to put entire starships down on the cluttered surface of a planet full of potential atmospheric or geological anomalies offers the best chance to hide from sensor detection. I can imagine many ways to make use of such a tactic against enemies who can't follow, such as a Romulan D'deridex class. Sensor sweeps might find a beached Intrepid, but they'd likely need to be already looking closely at that particular planet for whatever reason, as opposed to any other large Federation vessel standing out like a sore thumb in the cold black of space where the enemy can't help but know they're there as soon as they come within scanning range.
LOL, it's kinda fucking obvious why it's better to have a ship that can actually land as opposed to not being able to land... 😂
Realistically, who the fuck would create a ship that can't even land in the first place? 😂
Ships are designed for space. How many ocean ships do you know that can 'land'?
Yeah because it would have been a real short show if they got home before the mid season break of season 1...
Always rather liked the Intrepid. It's a handsome ship, with a robust yet streamlined look that I prefer to the more classic Star Trek designs.
Yeah, it's almost steampunk-y elements combined with art deco trains or something, really. The top of the saucer is a really fascinating design. The overall design is marred imho only by the total disregard for Roddenberry's hitherto canon principle that warp nacelles must work together via line of sight between the warp field grills. Voyager has no inner warp field grills at all. Also, the moveable nacelles never had any believable purpose, even in the context of the show. I like the way the final design looks, but for consistency I prefer the prototype Sternbach model with the runabout style nacelles. I also love the more consistent aesthetic Sternbach used on his prototype -- the primary hull and longer nacelles were a bit more angular and Voyager looked 100% art deco, like a streamlined Mayan temple. It was a really fascinating and beautiful design, if less soft. Just my opinion, but I think it would've set a better tone for the show. The bright, soft aesthetic of the finished ship was totally at odds with the scenario, and in the long run that mood sort of won out in the writers' room apparently.
The Tuvix-Murdering capabilities of the Intrepid Class is impressive.
Sucks to be a Tuvix on an Intrepid.
Yeah a sad episode
@m sharp There is no definitve answer to the question but i see you made your choice. Janeway had to aswell
Well - in that manner any transporter can be used as a murder weapon, going all the way back to TOS - Wolf In The Fold
I wish they had a “post” arrival home episode
Or movie. I've always wondered the fate of the various elements of the crew. I would imagine the Marquis would be pardoned with the option to remain Starfleet personal or return to civilian life. How hard would the Equinox survivors be formally punished? What about the Doctor and his status and rights? Seven of Nine's and Chakotay's relationship? Voyager's ending left so many unanswered questions. And while books and other media may have created answers, they're not canon.
Ironically wanted to see tovok get his treatment (ie trip to Vulcan). Kim finally get junior grad lieutenant. Tom showing his dad his wife and daughter, my dream made a ship designer and tester while working on his holo novels.
There are several books if that would satisfy you.
Same. Sto takes care of a fail bit of this.
Lore.
Need to remember something easily missed. Voyager was fresh out of space dock, and its shakedown. Its final crew was still being assembled at DS9 before going for its first mission. Like many StarFleet ships, shes a multi mission ship, and also, that most ships are launched, unfinished. Lots of deck space left vacant to allow upgrades later depending on the mission needs. If i remember right, Enterprise D, at farpoint, had something like 40% of its internal volume empty, still waiting to be assigned.
So that would explain why Voyager has such a hard time out alone in the Delta Quadrant, she simply wasn't equipped, or fully fitted out yet.
This also explains why she only had 40 torpedoes to start with. Also as she went along, (off camera) the crew found ways to upgrade her as they went, in science, tactical, and self repairing/refueling capabilities.
I don't see any dialogue to indicate she didn't leave drydock fully stocked, but I did give for the possibility that's what happened.. That's why i included it!
(re watched) Sorry, i missed that line about being better prepared.
oh , those magical torpedoes...that somehow manage to duplicate themselfs :)))
@@gabrielmajin5265 I mean they built self replicating mines in DS9 so why not?
In the Episode The Haunting of Deck Twelve Janeway whispers to the ship that if it works she will land on the next M class planet to give it a full maintanance going with the long range vessel it is very likely that the landing part was exactly intended for that given that a full power down might be needed to do some maintenance and no shipyards around on long range missions
we even see them land to repair or replace the warp coils in the nacelles
Revkor they also replace most of the hull in that episode
Putting the ship on a planet or large asteroid's surface might have another purpose. Maybe it's to allow the ship to shut down entirely, and evade detection by having next to no energy signature.
Or it could also be to assist transferring people and cargo onto the ship in situations where the transporter isn't a possibility.
@@Alligator81 Or to serve as a mobile outpost for conducting detailed planetary research that is not so different to doing something like putting a lab or similar facility inside the fuselage of an aircraft to enable it to rapidly relocate and act as a mobile research facility and several aircraft equipped for this purpose do exist.
Uhm... 9.975 is a BIGGER number than 9.9, it's 0.075 more.
I hate nerds.
Evil Pikachu and yet here you are.
@LordMIGtau Exactly! Warp speed is logarithmic.
So close to warp 10 0.075 = HUGE speed increase
@LordMIGtau so did the crew of the Horizon (Nova class)
Given what we saw in Voyager, I have to conclude the Intrepid Class was Starfleet's answer to the Death Star: a weapon of absolute terror.
Voyager was a lot more advanced than most of the vessels we saw her interacting with. Kirk's Enterprise was like a Death Star most of the time, unless it was meeting one of the many space gods or a regional power like a Romulan.
To be fair, in one episode, they literally set down on a planet, to completely change out the nacelles.
And it's a Long-Range Science Vessel, not explorer. Technically the Galaxy-Class was an Exploration Cruiser. Intrepids are versitle enough for the role just fine, but their original purpose was to go to anomalies, whether that's an odd planet or spacial, etc. Other science ships like the Nova-Class were designed for the same, but only for short-range missions, and never into dangerous or unknown territory outside Federation space, hence why the Intrepid-Class was so well armed and self-sufficient.
Voyager was the THIRD Intrepid-Class vessel. Intrepid, Bellerophon, Voyager.
Love the Intrepid Class. My favorite of them all.
My head cannon was that the Intrepid class was made to be a long range light cruiser, meant to patrol and explore the outer reaches of Federation space. Voyager launched somewhat incomplete, since its mission at the time didn’t require an astrometrics lab. They were going after maquis, and the combat systems were ready, so away they went. The ship had powerful deflector systems and sensors as standard equipment to help with patrols, and through time Starfleet realized that they actually had a great science ship on their hands, so the class's primary mission was reevaluated and changed to a science vessel.
As for Voyager's fuel issues, my thought is that constant Kazon attacks and other unusual hazards in the Delta quadrant put a strain on them. Plus, just getting pulled into the Delta quadrant left them badly damaged and understaffed. That probably would have cost a lot of antimatter to repair, so they started out with a low tank to begin with, running on fumes trying to get home.
I think the Bellerophon being used as the ship to carry high ranking officials into Romulan space was more of a statement than anything. If the Intrepid class really was a science vessel, or at least a warship that daylights under the Federation veil of a science vessel, it would show that the Federation was an entity of peace and exploration. I love this video tho, even tho it was made 2 years ago. This channel never gets old :,))
The Swiss Army Knife of the federation. I love the surgical nature of this ship.
It's very sleek.
Voyager is my Favorite ship....its the One ship that's NOT too big or Too small......and I could picture myself on it......esp. when they show characters "looking out their quarters window" ie: Tuvok's quarters...and when they do human scale to ship size up close.....gives u a feel for the Ship itself.
+rextrek Its pretty sleek
My only problem is there should be NO windows on any ship that isn't civilian, as they are targetable breaches in the armour. Yes starfleet vessels aren't warships but they're not civillian either. You don't get portholes on coast guard ships (I think?) Windows = no unless its a purely recreational ship. Maybe a bubble somewhere outside the armoured hull.
SheyD78 can confirm coast guard ships are a dark box.
SheyD78 - The windows are meant to be transparent metal, so they may not be any weaker than any other part of the ship.
remember Transparent Aluminum was developed a few hundred years ago (thank you Scotty), who's to say there aren't other transparent metals by this time.
Let us also remember that voyager was launched early and was supposed to return to space dock after retrieving Tuvak and capturing a Maqui ship
+Jon Berry Was that in the first episode? If so why a layover at ds9?
exactly they weren't carrying many supplies, they didn't even have the second warp core installed when they left space dock.
I don't think they every explained why they had a layover at DS9, expect that DS9 was close to the Badlands. I believe that Voyager was to return to DS9 after their first mission. Space dock may have been the wrong term to use.
+Jon Berry
no they were supposed to return to earth after their mission in the badlands were over. They have to return tom paris to earth.
..Was there ever any dialogue or indication they left spacedock unprepared?
My theory on the Intrepid being designed to land, in time of war you have a armed landing craft which can provide covering fire as the troops disembark the ship. In peace time, it's ideal for when conditions don't allow shuttles and transporters.
Intrepid's probably my favorite Starfleet class, aside from Miranda and Sovereign. While it could (and probably was used) be a scout ship, I have a feeling it would fit very nicely into the destroyer or light cruiser role.
Sultan offically intrepid class was classed as livht cruiser/scout ship
my personal ladder of favorites:
1. Galaxy (because freakin' luxury ocean liner in space!)
2. Sovereign (because freakin' battle ferrarri in space!)
3. Voyager (feels like smaller, cozier Galaxy, i.e. not a luxury liner, but "just" a millionaire villa in space)
4. NX (because it perfectly captures the magic of advanced, but still relatively primitive space travel, it's like a space-analog of a submarine, and submarines are uncomfortable and clunky and fragile, but immensely cool, and I would love to have one, if I can't have a Galaxy. it's like... yeah, F-22 is awesome, but if you have Bf-109, you can still feel the air and winds and currents, and you FEEL you're up there, not just see it from perfectly cushioned high-tech couch that computes away all of what that makes you realize "oh yeah, I'm actually flying!")
The Intrepid is a Long-Range Science Vessel in terms of it's classification.
It's true purpose is therefore to go deep into space and explore strange new worlds - quite literary.
Expect this class of ships to go into 8+ years excursions of exploration.
Hail the defient cause I’m defeint
Sultan
I can't add much but as a scout and or a destroyer.
They really should have had full time people (Star Trek fans, especially) to keep track of continuity. They said they had only 37 photon torpedoes onboard and no way to replace them when they were gone, but fired a lot more than that. Why couldn't they replicate torpedo casings? They should have just said Voyager had 200+ torpedoes onboard from the beginning since they ignored the "37" anyway.
I don't see a big deal about Voyager's mission profile. It was a 24th Century version of the Constitution Class. It had science and defensive roles.
Or, explain how they got around the limitation. I assumed it was part of the same problem that resulted in holodeck and replicator rationing, which they dealt with by finding friendly ports in the delta quadrant. Replicating the shells and avionics for the torps would be fairly trivial for their demonstrated ability, arming them with the pinch of antimatter necessary for the payload might have been the trickiest part.
i believe the problem is they wanted to do "stranded alone far away from home" scenario with everything that it entails (see Battlestar Galactica (2001) which did this incredibly awesomely right), and very soon realized how much bother it is, so kinda threw the whole idea out of the window without bothering to inform anyone (including the script itself) about the change =D =D
Gary C. ...but here you're kind of touching on to the larger issue of most of star trek: why do they even need any cargo (bays) and supplies, as long as they've got energy and replicators? i mean, even if you accept the "replicated goods/foods are not as complex and nuanced as real-grown/manufactured ones", it still raises problems, because any needs can be covered, and manual production becomes pure luxury. why do torpedo launchers even exist? why not just have replicators in their place, replicating warheads on demand? how does Quark (or anything in Ferengi Trade Federation) make money, if basically the only and ultimate resource is energy and everything else can be made out of that? how does anyone accept anyone else charging for anything any bit more than just the cost of energy it takes to replicate it? why does anyone manually manufacture anything except energy and replicators? how can Bajor have food problems and why does it bother with soil farming? why, instead of sucking a core of their moon, don't they just build a station tapping into their star for basically infinite energy therefore infinite everything? And for that matter, why doesn't anyone else? Why doesn't the galaxy-wide economy work on stars, with planets just being habitable spaces, analogous to just apartment buildings? Why does anyone mine any minerals? Why did the cardassians need an ore mining operation and ore processing facility, instead of, at worst, taking the ore, dematerializing it for its (maybe exceptional) energy content, and then rematerializing into the processed metals (at worst), or even the final goods of any kind? etc etc etc...
MidnightSt they intended the whole "lost in the delta quadrant" arc to last at most one season, with the season finale being them getting home for a fresh start in the alpha quadrant for season two, but they liked the "ship lost in space" angle and kept with it for the series run. So when they first said that there were very few torpedoes, they meant it, but then of course could not get away with so few being used in plot points for the 7 seasons.
did they shoot more? i know they adopted other species weapons to their ship. but it seems to me while voryager could reproduce the torps they could easily have had it done at a weapons depot along their way off screen
I mean... it's not the Galaxy Class, parading around the galaxy with everything and everyone on board. The Intrepid class is capable of and, of course intended for, long range exploration but Voyager was originally sent on a tactical search and detain mission. Perhaps she was not outfitted with everything needed for a long range exploratory mission, but found herself on one anyway. As is expressed many times, Janeway and the crew did the best they could with what they had.
I think this is the best answer for the apparent inadequacies of the Intrepid class' scientific accouterments, especially as we see with Voyager. This could be simply that it is a multi-task ship with the capability of being a long range exploration vessel but Voyager was simply not loaded and refit for that roll on her first mission. It makes sense that Voyager was equipped for the task at hand when it set off... tracking down the Marque ship in the Badlands. It would thus not have all the bells and whistles and fuel (or indeed expanded fuel tanks) required for a long range exploration mission even though the ship was capable of being easily modified for such a task.
This is just like how we see the Miranda Class in a variety of different configurations. In fact I would posit that Starfleet seeing the Sovereign Class just over the horizon as a Galaxy/Ambassador/Excelsior "all your eggs in one basket" replacement, so too did they look at their aging fleet of (uncountable) Miranda (and Oberth) Class starships and think "yeah... we should get on replacing those soon." I would not be surprised to see future Star Trek Series (if we get another one that's not a prequel) where the Intrepid Class is seen everywhere just like the Miranda, Excelsior, and Oberth classes were seen in TNG and DS9.
You need to keep in mind. Voyager was FIRST in her class. She was designed to be long range ship. Yet her FIRST MISSION was going out into the Badlands to investigate the Maquis raiders. She was not equipped for a major long range mission.
You forget to keep things into context. And also forgot that when Voyager was built. This was before the Dominion War.
Sure there maybe contradictions with some tech specs. Yet you forget the history and the reason that Voyager did not have certain amenities that most likely her sister ships would have. And really she barely been out of drydock when she was seen at DS9 getting her crew and getting orders to head to the Badlands
As I stated before. Was a short trip for Voyager.
Qardo they made the Borg Drone update their technology to fight the Borg sphere...so none of their systems are the same as before
Qardo Nope, the first in her class was the USS intrepid.
@@SantomPh the borg drone. You mean... seven of nine?
No, not 7 of 9, He was born/grown from Seven's nanoprobes being fused with the doctors holoemitter! The 29th century drone named One
@@laughingchickene3371 Yeah, people don't seem to realize that when you have a ship of a specific class that class name was the name of the first ship and had an NX number. NX - 000___ Intrepid would be the first.
Like the Defiant was the first of its class, so that class is now called the Defiant class.
The Voyager with blade armor was awesome
Tom McDaniel ablative armor*
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@@laughingchickene3371 thats not being a grammar nazi being a grammar nazi would be correcting him by saying "Voyagers blade armor was awesome" what they did, was the correct other on his mistake.
the Voyager in Living Witness was bad ass too www.herocollector.com/uploads/media/Living_Witness_Warship_Voyager.jpg
@@laughingchickene3371 its not even grammar. Its just a wrong word.
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It’s got landing gears so it can land on my desk and keep paper from blowing around. That’s what the federation designed it for.
Its a sports car of a ship.
When compared with other classes such as the galaxy, nebula and akira classes. It has a small crew, small weapons stowage (well under a 100 photon torpedoes), relatively small amount of cargo storage, only one med-bay as well as a very limited medical staff. The crew scale effects the abilities of all departments. The Galaxy class has over 1,000 people on board, as such has ample staff for any situation. The intrepid, not so much. However it is fast and with limited endurance, very powerful. For both combat and scientific emergencies.
It seems highly unlikely such a vehicle would be intended as a long range anything.
It does seem however to make an excellent security ship. Intended as a quick reaction alert (cold war RAF) or a pursuit ship (Blakes 7 Terran Federation). As it can run down any ship in the quadrant with its speed and firepower. However with its limited phaser charge and torpedo supply and can't sustain combat for days like a larger ship.
That's why you have a fleet of 12+ combat designed ships along with 2-3 akira class for troop transport along with an intrepid.
I agree on the pursuit ship idea, think of it this way if your starship was attacked and you call for help from Starfleet, Having an Akira class an hour away does you little good when an Intrepid-class can be there in 20 minutes away
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Can't wait for NX-01! Inconsistency in speed? Hahaha, never! Voyager was a cool ship keep up the great work!
indeed!
but in the case of NX-01 warp speed over warp 5 was new to Starfleet and miscalculations of speed are possible
From the top silhouette, I kinda think the Voyager looks like a spoon. (My opinion, though.)
I hear ya, bud.
It looks like the end of a spoon welded to the end of a shrimp fork... Kinda!
The Galaxy-class kinda had that look too, during saucer separations . . . the dish ran away with the spoon . . . (sorry, non sequitur) though the Galaxy's head looked more like a shovel
voyager had a stellar cartography lab, the so called astrometics lab is just an improved version of stellar cartography with borg technology.
+TentaclePentacle ok
Stellar Cartography is like an interactive Star chart. Astrometrics takes that data and analyzes it, as well as doing a myriad of other things as it pertains to space in general, not just star mapping & plotting.
They did have an Astrometrics lab already though. It was just in need of an upgrade. Seen referenced here in dialogue in the episode "Revulsion":
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KIM: What kind of modifications?
CHAKOTAY: We've like to enhance the Astrometrics lab. It hasn't been upgraded since Voyager left spacedock.
KIM: I'll start right away.
CHAKOTAY: I've assigned Seven of Nine to work with you. She's agreed to provide us with all the navigational data for this area she acquired during her time with the Borg. Is there a problem?
KIM: No. No problem.
CHAKOTAY: Try to make her feel like part of the team.
KIM: Right. Part of the team.
I know I'm obviously very late to this party, but I just found your channel a couple days ago and have been binging lol so anyways, from a situational standpoint, the fuel and supply issues on board Voyager make absolute sense. You're in completely uncharted space (yes, ostensibly exactly what it's designed for, but it's also designed to have a defined start and end date to it's missions, and a defined backup network just in case). What that means, from a command standpoint, is that you figuratively don't know when your next meal is going to be. Were I of a logistical mindset, I would also constantly be worried about making sure we have enough supplies and fuel. Also, pretty sure it was stated in Voyager that it wasn't exactly outfitted from the get-go for a long distance solo mission, since it was tasked with simply hunting down some Maquis ships, so we can't even assume it started with a full complement of supplies and fuel to start with. Uncertainty breeds caution, I guess, is the takeaway from this ramble
One of my favorite ships of the line. Thanks!
It's a cool ship agreed
Love the ship.
I'm STILL trying to get my hands on a *Bandai's Star Trek VOYAGER "Snap-Stite vhf
Like to also mention the moving of the wings/nacelles had to do with the ability to fly in atmosphere and land on planets. You see this with the Klingon Bird of Prey Kirk captured in ST3 and ST4 when landing on Vulcan. They even mention it in 4 when they prepare to go pick up the whales about configuration for flying in atmosphere.
+Ken Jett While that sounds good on paper..what about the small changes would impact the landing ?
Lore Reloaded thats why i gave cannon for my opinion. This was already used just for that in search for spock and the voyage home. Zulu even says this when they prepared the ship to go after the whales. It was used on the Bird of Prey for that in TOS.
It really has always reminded me of the destroy escort of ww2 or even a modern day destroy. Its fast, it is maneuverable, and it can be a force to be reckon with. It could definitely back up a galaxy class or escort a medical ship through a dangerous or contested area.
A WWII destroyer escort was the opposite of that.
As an escort for convoys, it didn't have to be fast. To chase down subs didn't require speed either.
They were in fact stripped down destroyers and not good enough for fleet action. They had fewer and smaller guns, since subs had no armor. A real destroyer, which wasn't exactly hard hitting, would pound it to dust.
Cruise speed of warp 9.975: the episode this is taken from showed that this was voyager's design spec max cruising speed. (and that Janeway believed this to be an overly cautious estimate)
long-range maintenance: Voyager's situation counts as ludicrous range and thus falls squarely outside starfleet's logistical definition of long-range.
Yay, Eaglemoss! I pretty much have all their starships (well at least the ones so far)
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+Dreadnought AI You'll see Easter eggs I do ever so often in my videos :)
You missed the part where the intrepid is supposed to have 2 warp cores. In your own ship display you can clearly see two warp cores.
+TentaclePentacle And they fact the ship could get sick.
+Lore Reloaded
yes, you forgot the gel packs.
+TentaclePentacle indeed
One Warp Core is the ship's power source, the other is a backup. The Intrepid Class has the ability to eject its Warp Core in the event of an emergency.
+David Lemmo
Every ship has the ability to eject its core. But most ships only have 1 core. The intrepid class supports two cores.
I love the Intrepid class. Looks like a big, flying gardening trowel... I love it!😍
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I agree that USS Voyager design scout and like intelligence gathering starship. We seem able to do scans on surface and carry probe carry intelligence gathering mission not least scan enemy sensors. Last and most importantly the able to land areas were stay hidden sneak mission of in Romulus neutral zone for example. If we remember TNG the enemy they had areas sensors hard time get though. Just imagine advance of being able starship just on the surface of such planet.
Caption Planet I like this theory, it makes most sense. High speed, sleek profile, advanced sensors and decent weapons (compared to other Starfleet research vessels like the oberth). That and Janeway and crew were not afraid to undertake intelligence missions given that Tuvok was undercover in the first episode.
nice video, it sure would have been nice if Star Trek could have had a lore master or something look over the scripts to point out the errors before they spent millions of dollars putting it on screen.
..I'm just saying.. I'm always available if a show wants to take me on ;P
lol, you would not be a bad choice at all but honestly they could have went to any convention and found a hundred people who could have spotted most of these errors right away. it is kind of pathetic that they did not even bother.
most would probably have done it as a volunteer if they would put their name on the credits or if they let them be an extra once or twice.
No one wanted to listen to the Okudas.
The way I look at Voyager's warp engine inconsistencies is that it was launched with factory specs (a sustainable cruise of w9.975) but that the fancy new tricyclic drive was irreparably damaged when they got thrown across the galaxy in "Caretaker". Thereafter, the ship could at best manage w9.9 for a few moments, but tended to cruise around w6 (which we saw a lot)
One thing i really would have loved to see with Voyager, is that after its time in the Delta Quadrant, and all its tweaks and upgrades, it should have looked different, like it had bits of alien tech hanging off it. Instead it came back looking like it just left the showroom floor. So many episodes Voyager took heavy damage and then it goes back to looking brand new again.
Maybe give it a few mismatched panels, a different deflector, some crap hanging off the warp engines, and some custom Delta Quadrant weapons. Make it look like the crew had to improvise with the ship. Janeway even commented on the limited number of torpedos and no way to replace them, so have the crew come up with something else. Make a deal with some aliens or something. I certainly would have loved to see some episodes of Voyager being done up than exploring the Doctor and Seven of Nines social skills. And don't get me started on Fair haven!!!!!
From a merch standpoint that would have been good as well, because then fans could have bought the different seasonal variants of Voyager.
What a great "Scout shop"
+Commander Stama Indeed
I liked the Intrepid class a lot but was very frustrated with the writing inconsistencies of the Voyager show. By their own bragging, the return home should have only taken 7 years and not 70. Had they not blown the time to home so brutally, they could have had a lot of fun with the series and not had to be so, contrived.
But I digress...
I think that the Intrepid class should have been more prominent in DS9 after it was added to canon for ST: Voy. Besides the Defiant class, the Intrepids were pretty much the most interesting starship design until the Prometheus showed up.
I mean if they had the fuel to maintain warp 9.975 for a solid 7 years, without slowing down, stopping to eat, or getting lost once then yes. But that would have been a really dull show.
This week on voyager the ship flys really fast in a straight line
Next week on voyager the ship traverses exceedingly quickly on a flat trajectory.
Flat trajectory --- not really. You forget that there are space anomalies, alien empires who refuse entry into their space, battles/wars, planets, stars, pirates, etc. happening in their path. They would need to find alternative paths forward through or around such articles. Also, remember space is 3D. They can fly forward, up, down, left or right or even reverse. XD
Hey man, love your series, love you breakdowns, and I'm not here to insult you. Just had a few ideas.
1)Why have it landing-capable? Lots of reasons. Geological survey, emergency landing (like the saucer section of the Galaxy), or the ability to mass-evacuate (instead of having to beam everyone up.) All seem realistic ideas to me.
2) Why was the ship constantly needing fuel if it could go 3 years between refuelings? 2 ideas. One, the Caretaker's 'trip' was NOT gentle and kicked the ship's ass something fierce, it isn't unreasonable to assume that the ship lost a lot of fuel in the exchange, and couldn't get a full refill. Second: the ship was constantly in battle and taking damage from unknown spacial anomalies. The Delta quadrant was far more hostile than what the federation was used to, so the ship would be forced to replicate a LOT more parts for repair. This would use up more energy far more quickly than normal.
3) Ship's mission? I always heard it was a long-range scout, and so it probably had a stellar cartogrophy that was up to the task of long-range scanning. However, when 7of9 came along with her borg technology know-how, they could have built an 'astrometrics' that normal federation couldn't have built at the launch of the ship (IIRC, they do say astrometrics incorporates borg technology.) So astrometrics was a more advanced stellar cartogrophy that Federation didn't have the technology for when designed. Easy fix. Or it was a long range scout designed for geological surveys? What with its ability to land. Just another possibility I'm throwing out there.
Just a few thoughts. Again, love the series, and you go far more in depth than I could.
But it could completely rebuild several decks in a week or two while in space, converting hastily installed holodecks back into regular systems (Hirogen).
And it apparently had it's own shuttle construction bay (that also made torpedoes).
That's probably why power and fuel was an issue early on, they had to use resources for battle damage repairs, besides which as pointed out in other comments they had left for a short range mission while still being outfitted.
Yea, I'm still looking for Dialogue that confirms they sent out a ship ill prepared.
Funny thing with Voyager is that everyone, despite its speed, seem to be able to both find it and catch up with it. Even the Kazon who cant even make water are able to catch them long after Voyager left Kazon space :)
They did have help from seska.
I haven't done much research into it, so this is just a guess. But it may be that the astrometrics gear is only installed right at the end of construction of the ship as when it's installed it is also configured to be able to see through any electromagnetic abnormalities from possible minor flaws in other parts of the ship. Each ship would have it's own set of flaws so you can't have a completely standardized configuration. So it may be that they had most of the viewing gear in there and tested with basic sensors, and then when it's finally installed, they took some time to replicate or install the gear and have someone read through the Encyclopedia Britannica sized manual on how to fine tune the thing.
Basically. There's noise from the rest of the ship that needs to be ignored on the extremely high sensitivity gear from Attrometrics, this can only be tuned after everything else is in place. The ship was sent out in a hurry to help the ship in the badlands so it may not have been installed yet.
Intrepid class - fast light cruiser.
Ideal for exploration without the resource drain of a larger ship yet capable of completing majority of missions normally reserved for a ship of the line, Galaxy, Nebula, Ambassador, etc...
Tactically it's no slouch sporting the latest weaponry normally found on a Galaxy. It's high warp means it can act as a scout and be able to retreat, outrunning adversaries that outgun the Intrepid class.
Now this is going to be controversial however I dont believe the Intrepid class was meant to be long range at all. It was meant to supplement larger ships in a cheaper yet highly advanced package that Starfleet was able to produce in higher quantities.
You've got to remember that Voyager had just been lauched on it's maiden Voyage, and a Captain who'd been on the fast track to Admiral was in command, and they were on a special but selective mission. It probably didn't have every system installed or completely ready to go. They clearly had a form of stellar cartography else they'd not be able to navigate lol
My favourite use for the intrepid class (in Armada II) is for capturing Borg construction ships early in the game when they are undermanned (underdroned?). The ship has weapons capable of stripping the shields of the constructors without overly damaging the vessels and carried sufficient crew to board and capture them. The large crew complement also made them more effective versus Borg auto assimilators than Defiant class ships though less so when dealing with spheres.
I think the design of the gel packs on the Itrepid class came from the TNG ep The Nth Degree where Barkly hooks himself up to the ship's computer through a neural interface.
I like to think of the Voyager as a Post Borg, come to reality moment for the Federation. Space is dangerous, time to start acting like it! The Oberth Class was finally replaced with the Nova, itself pretty well armed for being a science ship, and the Voyager I see as the replacement for the Excelsior and Miranda Classes. I know a million more ship classes exist, but I'm only referencing the actual television shows and their limited model budget at the time. So medium sized multirole Starship with an need for speed and survivability.
I agree, it's like Starfleet sat down and asked itself "do we want these grand luxurious flagships in few numbers spread thin? or do we want a bunch more of some smaller ships that can do the same job just as well?", It does seem to fill that gap between a Nova class and the eventual Sovereign class in both size and capability.
Then the Luna class comes along which seems to be the larger dedicated science explorer companion to the smaller Nova. A ship class that they put on hold for a while with more demand for smaller, simpler, battle ready ships.
Honestly, I think the ship was a deep space, long range scout. That would be the best explanation for everything we see, her weapons output, the fact that the crew seems unfamiliar with its equipment (I would trust Janeway over anyone else as she is the main original character assigned to the ship) and why it would be used for such a high profile mission to Romulus, besides the Voyager shout out. Also, landing on planets does make since when you use the scout theory. Allowing the ship to land on planets instead of just rely on transporters means it could set up bases without worrying about being detected in orbit.
It’s super beautifully
ha thanks for this, this is my favorite class of Federation ship followed by the Sovereign class and then the Excelsior class :)
Voyager's initial mission was only for 6 weeks to find and capture the Maquis, so they didn't have full supplies in the cargo bays and possibly not even full deuterium tanks. The 6 week mission was cited by Janeway as the reason they didn't have a ship's counselor on board. Also, constant maintenance requires trained people to carry it out, and something like 35 of the original crew of 141 were killed as a result of The Caretaker pulling Voyager to the other side of the galaxy. And in "The 37's" Janeway asks Chakotay how many people they could lose (if they were allowed to stay behind) and he tells her that he doesn't think they can operate the ship with less than 100 people, and if too many wanted to stay behind they could all end up stuck there. So do the math and you can see that she'd have been pretty screwed without the replacement crew members Chakotay provided (the crew of the Val Jean).
Voyager could travel at high warp for an extended time and could go months without refueling, it was absolutely a deep space vessel. The term "deep space" was used to describe the frontiers around federation and known space, not 70,000 light years away.
In all the star trek shows the ships had to routinely resupply at star bases. For example in TNG almost every episode ended with "set a course for star base xxx". Or in the episode of TNG when the enterprise got flung a few thousand light years (5 years back to federation space at maximum warp) Picard said they were screwed without starbases for maintenance and resupply. The defiant docked at ds9 after every mission for upkeep. The enterprise D also needed a massive amount of upkeep just from traveling at high warp for a few days.
The Intrepids' 'maximum sustainable warp of 9.975' was likely an error (was mentioned all of two or three times in dialogue).
In several episodes, we were told that Voyager could maintain Warp 9.75 for about 12 hours.
Warp 9.9 resulted in ship nearly shaking itself to pieces after just about 30 seconds.
When you think about it... Paris also mentioned to Amelia Earhart that Voyager can do 9.9 (4 billion miles per second - aka, 21 473 times speed of light).
If it were able to sustain 9.975 at all, it would be able to get back to Earth in just under a week.
9.75 seems more 'consistent' when contrasted to the Enterprise-D which could reliably maintain Warp 9.6.
Up until the USS Prometheus was constructed (that ship was able to cruise at Warp 9.9 without trouble for VERY long periods of time).
To be fair, if Voyager's sustainable cruise velocity was indeed Warp 9.975, I wouldn't have an issue with it as it would illustrate exponential jumps in science and technology consistent with a collection of over 150 different alien species working together.
Warp 9.975 however would have meant the ship would need to have been thrown over 200 million Ly's away from Earth to get back in 75 years... which probably should have been done in such a manner.
The Federation was originally supposed to have been exploring other galaxies by the TNG time... but this was changed (to make it 'closer to home').
Love voyager and the intrepid class. love to see more of them.
Voyager wasn't initially outfitted for a long term mission. It was only on it's first mission that was expected to last for maybe a few weeks searching the Badlands for the missing Maqui ship to retrieve Lt. Tuvok.
It’s possible that Voyager was meant to have a Stellar Cartography lab but as She was stated to Have been rushed into launch in order to look for the missing marquis ship it was not finished as It was deemed non-mission-critical and then Harry Kim took that unused space and designed the full Astrometric Lab to better fit Voyager’s unique need being so far out, Still contrived but maybe a little less? As for mission profile I would say probably scouting/exploration and quick response force
voyager had stellar cartography, 7 of 9 upgraded stellar cartography with borg tech and they just called it astrometrics.
normally the old astrometric was all they need but there they are in new territories so a better one was a necessity and with borg tech added, aliens tech and data acquired in exchanges ,Neelix ship logs, Horizon data logs, maquis ship logs , all to be fit in one and only database that have new data from sensors to correlate too. So a bigger astrometric is needed to make a big picture of the Delta quadrant from all this?
4:16 I still think the reason for these concerns is the rationing they had to impose after being stranded. Under normal circumstance, you could probably blow through your fuel supplies without that much for concern because it was planned for; you could just drive it to the nearest starbase for supplies, whereas Voyager didn't have that option and had to refine it themselves, which also goes for replacement parts needed for maintenance. They probably had to also keep doing it within the show just to keep the audience from wondering how the hell they were actually keeping the ship in one piece out in the middle of nowhere. They wouldn't normally need to carry spare parts to last them a 7 year trip, not to mention they didn't start out with a full supply to begin with.
The thing about the intrepid class ships is that while they do seem Multipurpose and being long range yet wasn't seen being able to refuel and such during Voyager easily with the crew bartering most of the time, Voyager did launch from DS9 with a mission involving the Maqui in the badlands so that wasn't a long range mission and they took on supplies for such a mission.
I recall reading that the nacelle shape-changing design was at least partially geared for being able to retract the nacelles for safer close inspection of nebulae and similarly potentially reactive stellar phenomenons.
I think I can explain Voyager as a long range explorer and the resource issue with one specific type of mission.
We see them ser up a little science station for Chakotay and Janeway in an episode. They seem to have all the equipment and expertise to rapidly deploy not just a survival shelter, which I would chalk up to good Starfleet training, but a science station and base of operations.
If you are a long range exploratory science vessel, not a long range military scout you are trying to get far, fast, to sit there awhile and do long, boring, research.
Once a scout vessel identifies a planet worth investigating you can run out to it from the nearest spacedock at warp 9.75, drop your ship right on planet and begin setting up base camps. Full mobile labs and the such. Much easier landing than repeated shuttle and transporter runs to set up your little community. Cause you're gonna be staying, probably for months.
Once your research is done you hightail back to spacedock, deliver findings and samples, retrofit the ship for the next mission with any different scientific equipment necessary, and then off to the next planet/ spacial anomaly/etc.
With no resupply every year or two, having to replicate so much material to sustain themselves, yeah resources could be adequate for the long range scientific mission it was designed for but very inadequate for Voyager in the Delta quadrant.
Voyager seems to be a mobile deployment and command center for extended single research projects. With it's speed, shielding, and landing capabilities it is fantastic for that function.
The ease with which they install an astrometrics lab leads me to believe the ship is designed kinda like an Omni-mech from BattleTech. You got X slots, pick and choose your science loadout for this mission.
Long range exploration can be accomplished in more ways than Kirk wandering his ass around man-whoring in unexplored territory for 5 years at a time.
Just what the ship seems designed for to me and it's completely rational they have resource issues. Especially considering that they do their math rationing for a 75 year journey home. I can definitely see Tuvok saying something like " after that last encounter I re ran the calculations and we are gonna have a massive shortage of X in year 35 if we don't adjust and take on extra supplies while we can.
Very nice, look forward to more, also any chance of more Stargate Lore?
Lauren loaded I really like your videos especially Star Trek I wouldn't mind seeing you do the Olympic class or the hope class
I intend to do all of the classes.
Apparently a good thing about the intrepid class is that either they're stupid simple to fix up on the go for long ranged missions, judging by Voyager, although by the time they got back who knows how much of the ship was held together with space duct tape.
Voyager was deployed unfinished (Astrometric equipment was installed, the lab wasn't) and the last few weeks of Yard Time where Rush jobs, after the Marquee mission a lot of systems where to be pulled out and re-installed properly, key scientific equipment was skipped over in favor of mission specific installations. Then their was the affair at the Caretakers Array leaving the ship with lots of damage.
Voyager was on it's maiden voyage suggesting that some systems weren't completely finished (ie. Astrophysics) or even installed. Plus I think it was the first ship to use bio or organic power gell packs and had never been thoroughly tested for longevity. Usually a maiden voyage is to check & test mechanical systems for all around dependability then return to dock for completion. This concept is true today. No one builds an engine and installs it completely without a test.
Nice video! Now my thoughts, and headcanon:
Regarding landing on planets, in the case of a crisis where the ship is critically low on fuel and supplies, landing the entire ship on the planet would allow the crew to save tremendous amounts of power from the ship, while providing shelter from the elements of the planet. Worst case scenario, it becomes their new home.
Simply put, regarding the lack of astrometrics, it is very possible that, considering he stated that he would have it installed, it is possible that parts of the ship were never installed, because of the Dominion War, much like the battlebuilt Galaxy class ships from the war. It could also be why Voyager seems so effective in combat, not to mention why it would need far more supplies than a conventional 3-year mission. The fact that the landing gear was included, could be for troop deployments, turning the Intrepid class into a massive troop transport. There could very well be a need for a landing craft Starship, since armored hovercraft, and other ground vehicles, would be needed. I know there is no Alpha cannon on any kind of ground vehicle usage by anyone, I just imagined that is because everything you see on-screen is often in confined spaces, not wide-scale planetary invasions.
Finally, the fact that we may not see them, does not necessarily mean they don't exist. In fact, don't I see the cardassians firing balls of orange energy? The most interesting point, is if the reference to Voyager being modified is from Torres... well, she was the expert on the Dreadnought Cardassian nuke, and for being how brilliant she with cardassian tech, she would probably know how they work to the finest detail.
Either way, love the video! I also would love to hear your thoughts on my rebuttal.
Great video! I didn't really like the Intrepid class until after ST:VOY ended. For some reason while I hated Voyager, I loved the Bellerophon. Inconsistencies aside, the ship was kinda like a swiss army knife, always popping out something new when it needed something new... probably due to sub-par writing and network interference. Despite what we were told on the show, I tend to look at the Intrepid class as a class of high-speed diplomatic courier vessels, small in number. To me, it seems to be a ship designed for the peacetime era prior to the Borg and Dominion threats. During the Dominion War, they didn't seem to have much use for them (which is why we didn't see many in that war) other than as an aforementioned diplomatic courier and they were apparently redesignated as such when Starfleet went to war.
Great vid. I love this class of ship, well, Voyager.
Regarding reading material, I want Janeway's technical manual, the one that took her 3 months to read. 😀
I think the most interesting thing about the Intrepid class, is that it seems to fall outside of traditional Federation design philosophy, while still adhering to fundamental principles. As you say, it's built in a transition time, and is prematurely asked to do some tasks of conflicting nature. So, it would seem that selecting a crew for the vessel would require that they be equally unorthodox, and yet also steer rigidly to classic Federation principles. Voyager as a show, doesn't deeply delve into this. However, it could be surmised that Starfleet Command's pairing of Janeway to Voyager was a carefully considered process. Of the myriad of Hero caliber captains available, Janeway's nature suited the quirks quite well. And this relationship is a plot point that resurfaces time and time again throughout the show. Intelligence and resourcefulness, combined with dogged persistence to traditional Federation values, fanatically applied to the operation of the ship, and she beats the odds, and gets them home. As a story telling device, it's hard to imagine the same outcome coming from another Captain/Crew. Even others of legendary capability. It's an almost metaphysical connection that you either really appreciate, or despise. I think this theory is supported by the actual love/hate relationship people have with the show.
The capabilities of Voyager were not expected to be consistent with the intrepid design. I think that's part of the story.
I feel like a better explanation for why resources were a more prevailing issue for voyager would be that while the ship “could” run for 3 years without refuelling, that estimation isn’t taking account for them running almost constantly at near maximum warp and running the EMH as their primary physician. I can’t imagine that the designers would account for that sort of power consumption in their estimations.
You mention the "eco friendly to subspace" info about the variable nacelle geometry. As this was the plotline of a late TNG episode where the current tech of warp drives was damaging a heavily used passage of space, which then brought about a warp 5 limit in several sectors. I'd always assumed that the Intrepid class variable nacelle's were an early method of combatting this.
Given the many things tacked on in Voyager and the constant theme of the Intrepid class being a multi role vessel. Plus the name. I think that's what it was. Given the time it was produced and Starfleets reluctance to make real warships, the Intrepid was likely produced to fit any role for any mission in a short amount of time.
Don't forget, there were like, two seasons where Voyager was basically following a separate time line. And then that one kersploded and we went back to another Voyager.
My guess with the power issues that Voyager experienced, despite being a long-range vessel; when Voyager was hurled to the Delta quadrant, it was on a short-term mission (go from DS9 to the Badlands to hunt a missing Maquis ship).
It might also explain why they didn't have a proper Astrometrics lab; that module hadn't been installed by the time Voyager left.
The Intrepid is one of my favorites aesthetically, I like the longer saucer section.
I remember hearing somewhere that the point of landing the ship was generally for long-term geological studies of a planet -- rather than keep the ship in orbit and consume additional fuel, it could land and shut down systems that were essential in space but not on a planet's surface. It would also cut out atmospheric interference for deep, detailed scans of a planet's interior.
Out of universe, I think the reason there were conflicting details about Voyager's long-range capabilities vs. the apparent difficulty of operating it in the Delta quadrant was entirely because the writers wanted her to be a very capable ship, but they also wanted the drama of the crew struggling to keep the ship running -- thus why they always had fuel issues. In universe, maybe there's something about the Delta quadrant that makes Voyager use a lot more fuel than normal... Or maybe there was damage during their initial journey and dealings with the Caretaker that caused fuel issues that wouldn't normally occur with an Intrepid-class vessel.
The intrepid was incomplete when it launched, but the things it did have, (enhanced deflector/scanning capabilities, multi-phasic shields, faster more powerful computer, greater maneuverability and weaponry that could deal with the Maquis ships) made it an ideal fit for the retrieval mission through the badlands. It's easy to see why Voyager didn't have an astro-metrics lab when they left, since the mission wasn't in uncharted space. They just needed an agile, compact and smart ship to nab Chakotay.
I think Stellar Cartography is a standard unit attached to all Starfleet starships. The USS Enterprise D has one (it was shown in the movie Star Trek:Generations) and it was also mentioned in Star Trek: First Contact. I think the most defining attribute that seperates Voyager’s Astrometrics and Stafleet’s Stellar Cartography was that a) the Astrometrics were built with integration of some Delta Quadrant’s technology, mainly Borg and b) Voyager’s Astrometrics serves as a long range sensors and long range navigational system as well.
One quibble as to resource problems with Voyager. Whether or not it was designed for long range use, it was outfitted for a short-term mission right out of spacedock, so it wasn't fully stocked or outfitted. Also it got pretty torn up in the Delta Quadrant, including a ridiculous number of warp core breaches and ejections, so it ended up losing lots of fuel as a result, and also didn't have an ideal stock of gelpacks.
I think that the astrometrics discrepancy can be smoothed over with the theory that it was part of the Intrepid design, but Voyager was forced out of the shipyard before the appropriate systems could be installed, just like Enterprise and its NX class phase cannons.
I've always assumed that Starfleet is divided into multiple fleets with their own specialties. You've got the Exploration Fleet (in which the Intrepid-class was supposed to spearhead), the Diplomatic Fleet (which handles first and second contact missions, like the Enterprise-D and Cerritos), and a Support Fleet (which runs supplies that can't be replicated out to the other fleets when those ships can't stop at a shipyard for resupply). Lacking a support fleet, Voyager had to use additional resources to create their own parts. It's possible that Starfleet even envisioned the Intrepid going further than the support fleet could reach and designed it to land on planets where it could construct facilities to create what it needed to move on . . . or to wait for the support fleet to catch up with that part they need.
Honestly the Intrepid Class is one of my favourite ships (and the main reason i watch Voyager).
I think its purpose was to be a smaller and more economic option for first contacts and deep space exploration in comparison to the galaxy class. It hat a much smaller crew way better sensors and the most advanced computer systems. Its speed and realiability was useful to avoid dangerous confrontations, hence its weaons were not made for battles.
Also it was highly comfortable.
In case of the dominion war i would use it as a ambassador ship or (nad more often) as an AWAC due to its very good sensors.
From my reading the nacelle tilting design was a direct result of the next gen episode where it was shown that space/sub space were being damaged by continuous warp travel. The “eco-friendly”aspect mentioned...
Like your analysis
This had more technobabble than an actual episode of Voyager, a rare feat
I think it goes along with the whole “Defiant class is an escort” but it’s really a warship.
Starfleet building a more militant line of ships, while honesty keeping to it’s “explore and research” mission. It can easily get to places meaning it’d put out diplomatic fires via couriering diplomats. It can fill a science and medical role that puts most ships to shame. But it’s clearly made to fill a tactical role if they’re putting this much defensive resources into a ship that isn’t a Galaxy class. Almost like giving a herbivore the ability to shoot lasers from its eyes.
Before this I would've sworn that Voyager could also separate the 'saucer' section. I have no idea where this belief came from but I'm glad to be corrected. TY.
Wow ur a great channel that i just discovered
I think that voyager was supposed to be a long range science vessel, but there's long range (to the federation borders in the alpha and beta quadrants where resupply is 10 or so weeks at high warp) and then there's long range exploration which goes vastly beyond those borders to chart new space like the galaxy, excelsior, and (in it's own time) constitution classes were designed for, well-armed with scientific facilities but also huge and full of provisions, fuel, etc. the intrepid class was the class of ship that you'd send after the long-range exploration cruisers were done with an area for deep-diving scientific investigation of space phenomena and other interesting science stuff where the exploration cruisers were sent to chart such phenomena and make friends with the discovered indigenous intelligent life after they become warp capable. you can compare to a short-range science vessel like the oberth and nova classes which were much smaller and required constant maintenance and refueling at various space docks.