cyberpunk's world is genius, cd proyect has my respect on making us the player feel like we live in that distopain futuristic world, so sad that the game is shit
@@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 They could fix every bug and still have less than what they promised to us. My only hope for a proper Cyberpunk RPG is in the sequel, which I hope no one pre-orders.
@@VeteranDecanus86 They _lost_ money and many fans when released CP 2077 in that crappy state -- let's hope they learn the lesson and that they *_won't_* let any greedy executive/investor tell them to release the game before it is 100% finished.
Morality is a rarity in Night City, so I feel like the common citizen would eat this stuff up like candy. Everyone is striving against the wrongs they perceive in society, and so I'm convince that most wayward people in night city would be intrigued by this philosophical debate. The hotstess/guest point of view, matching the typical sedentary mindset of "yaaaay more cybertech!" Vs. The woke priest's call to a return to morality.
V's talk with Johnny after that crucifixation mission is pretty interesting. Like, engram Johnny isn't really Johnny. He's been dead and buried for decades now. If "soul" is a real concept then his has been gone for a while now. It's just a construct designed to perfectly emulate every aspect of him. A perfect clone. Is the engram souless? It has everything that makes a human, well, human.
This is the real question of the game. When do you stop being you? How far does one go before they’re actually gone? Is V even alive? V technically died from a bullet to the brain and was revived due to a computer chip. They talk about AIs being sentient, so does the cyberpunk 2077 world already have many AIs in human form?
There is no evidence of a thing called "soul" though. Therefore if brain structure was to be digitised - it would be you, because even a copy of your brain structure with all your memories stored in said structure - is essentially you. Speaking as atheist and software engineer who designed neural networks :p
@@reav3rtm It would be another "you". A new "you" who believes they are the original "you". However, original "you" is dead. New "you" 's body is controlled exclusively by new you.
@@16Vagabond It's philosophical discussion, what constitutes "you". Is your consciousness enough for that or you need physical body as well. I just think that consciousness is enough to consider and call it "me". And if replicated, every replica would have every right to claim being "me". Luckily our technology is nowhere near solving this conundrum ;)
Yup same here. I tend to stop and watch these shows, the adverts, the news (like the one about settlements in Antarctica or the immigration problem in other parts of the world). This game is soooo fascinating and complex, deep and subtle at times. Love it
He can say that only because he is insulated from all the suffering caused by these policies though. It's the same with the gang leaders and the corps, they love the city as long as they are in power, but once they get flipped then they realize it isn't all that great.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj night city (san diego / LA ) can work for everyone with live streaming IRL and crypto and telos governance and hive social media. everyone is on social media but no one on social media is paid with a wallet
I just started the game and have been spending most of my time just reading the little Net pages and looking at the paper ads and television ads. I spent a good 10 minutes in that elevator lol. I was really impressed by this talk show segment. For just something they put into the background it's pretty amazing. I'm really impressed by the world building so far.
@@zemenerrichey1980 I hope you enjoy this game then, I’m not a detail oriented person but it didn’t take long for me to realize this game hasn’t more depth than you could imagine and I find new shit every time I play and I’ve beat the game 5 times 😂
@@Dryhten1801I could get used to it. If I’m someone who doesn’t believe in an afterlife, then why would I want my life to end? Why would I want to miss all of the different experiences that I could witness or be apart of? I don’t see immortality as a terrible thing if it means I get to witness the changes of the world long after my expected
It's easy to be right when you run the same con as the competition. The difference is that while the church wants to control you. Arasaka wants to literally own you. You are an ring in their ear or a buckle on belt. A literal possession of there's. Decide for youself which option is worse.
@@therandomlaniusedward2140 How? It doesnt matter the 'situation'. Imagine having the construct of a love one haunting you always? It's a horrible thought.
While Colver brings up valid points, Lee also brings up good points. I've seen my relatives grieve over their loved ones, and some have told me that they would love to see the ones who have passed on again. However, this brings up some controversial points. Look at the circumstances between Johnny Silverhand and Jackie Welles. Regardless of what Colver or Lee say, there are some issues that we face, do we extract someone's soul like they did with Johnny, or do we extract the soul like they did with Jackie?
@@ZacharyRodriguezVlogs We already had some actual experience of emulating the dead digitally. Sometime in 2019 a South Korean television show had a grieving mother "talk" to her dead child through VR and the experience is... Bizarre...
Eternal life in the material realm would be an absolute curse and most religions acknowledge this. But yeah immortality in itself in a decaying material universe is an impossibility I mean Islam and Christianity differentiates a perfect body from the flesh for a reason because the flesh is simply bound here and subject to decay and limitations of its own material perception. Humanity cant even fathom the material universe let alone infinity or even a fraction of it. With a perfect spiritual body Id assume you would be able to comprehend it and not find eternity to be completely terrible overtime. But yeah I don't know if I'm particularly religious or think any religion is right or if there is no afterlife at all. But Ill take an afterlife or non existence over living a cursed existence where I would probably descend into madness as everything loses its luster and the concept of an eternity life never designed me to comprehend drives me to existential crisis despair madness and suicide you can only extend life for so long eternal life here is impossible.
Imagine if google creates some IA of us, that’s gonna do the searches, write on internet or put the music we were supposed to listen at that moment 😂😂😂
Cyberpunk 2077 Futuristic Alien Tomorrowland Cybertron TV Show Universe: Night After Night With Ziggy Q - Arasaka Relic™ Chip Debate (Featuring Karina Lee & Reverend Colver)
The reverad critiqued Arasaka for false promises, Greed and Lust for Power.... yep thats the church for ya... "Well couldn't it just smell more like hypocrisy... oh but if it isn't the catholic church!"_Alucard: "Hellsing Abriged"
I'm not religious but that reverend was speaking facts. The chip is corpo greed, it just emulates a person rather than actually preserving them. Churches can be a little dodgy, but they can't exactly give free services because they're just not funded by anyone other than the people who want these services. I'm sure there are churches out there that are fair on pricing and aren't corrupt, I just don't believe in the religion
That's just a generalization that all churches are like mega Churches but the early churches had no intention to gain power they were all persecuted for spreading the gospel
The fictional talk show, in a terrible dystopian world is more high brow and intellectually stimulating than the ones in ours.
cyberpunk's world is genius, cd proyect has my respect on making us the player feel like we live in that distopain futuristic world, so sad that the game is shit
@@madaxgaming6405 Well, they are trying to fix it. Let's hope they can.
The fact u have 47 likes is such a reason why this is terrible
@@rosesareredbutzerglingssti9290 They could fix every bug and still have less than what they promised to us. My only hope for a proper Cyberpunk RPG is in the sequel, which I hope no one pre-orders.
@@VeteranDecanus86 They _lost_ money and many fans when released CP 2077 in that crappy state -- let's hope they learn the lesson and that they *_won't_* let any greedy executive/investor tell them to release the game before it is 100% finished.
Damn, who knew they have philosophical debates on prime time tv in a place like night city
Morality is a rarity in Night City, so I feel like the common citizen would eat this stuff up like candy. Everyone is striving against the wrongs they perceive in society, and so I'm convince that most wayward people in night city would be intrigued by this philosophical debate. The hotstess/guest point of view, matching the typical sedentary mindset of "yaaaay more cybertech!" Vs. The woke priest's call to a return to morality.
The pastor was telling the truth the whole time.
Yep, word for word, yes he was
V's talk with Johnny after that crucifixation mission is pretty interesting.
Like, engram Johnny isn't really Johnny. He's been dead and buried for decades now. If "soul" is a real concept then his has been gone for a while now.
It's just a construct designed to perfectly emulate every aspect of him. A perfect clone. Is the engram souless? It has everything that makes a human, well, human.
This is the real question of the game. When do you stop being you? How far does one go before they’re actually gone? Is V even alive? V technically died from a bullet to the brain and was revived due to a computer chip. They talk about AIs being sentient, so does the cyberpunk 2077 world already have many AIs in human form?
Good questions. I just feel sorry for the priest on this show.
There is no evidence of a thing called "soul" though. Therefore if brain structure was to be digitised - it would be you, because even a copy of your brain structure with all your memories stored in said structure - is essentially you.
Speaking as atheist and software engineer who designed neural networks :p
@@reav3rtm It would be another "you".
A new "you" who believes they are the original "you". However, original "you" is dead. New "you" 's body is controlled exclusively by new you.
@@16Vagabond It's philosophical discussion, what constitutes "you". Is your consciousness enough for that or you need physical body as well. I just think that consciousness is enough to consider and call it "me". And if replicated, every replica would have every right to claim being "me".
Luckily our technology is nowhere near solving this conundrum ;)
This is the type of talk that got me hooked up on cyberpunk since Gits.
Yup same here. I tend to stop and watch these shows, the adverts, the news (like the one about settlements in Antarctica or the immigration problem in other parts of the world). This game is soooo fascinating and complex, deep and subtle at times. Love it
@@WhiteWolfCa yeah. Mike Pondsmith is one of the best writers in the RPG industry. It's rather difficult to find such genius today.
Ziggy seems to be the only guy who sees Night City’s potential as a great city.
He can say that only because he is insulated from all the suffering caused by these policies though. It's the same with the gang leaders and the corps, they love the city as long as they are in power, but once they get flipped then they realize it isn't all that great.
like me on ip2
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj night city (san diego / LA ) can work for everyone with live streaming IRL and crypto and telos governance and hive social media. everyone is on social media but no one on social media is paid with a wallet
The Reverend has the same voice actor as Vik
Why i hear V's cries in the background everytime she speaks.
Thats like, a realy good show.
i would probably watch something like this, i love philosophical debates.
I saw this just now in the elevator to V’s apartment, it was so intriguing and I haven’t seen it till now, this level of detail is fuckin insane
I just started the game and have been spending most of my time just reading the little Net pages and looking at the paper ads and television ads. I spent a good 10 minutes in that elevator lol. I was really impressed by this talk show segment. For just something they put into the background it's pretty amazing. I'm really impressed by the world building so far.
@@zemenerrichey1980 I hope you enjoy this game then, I’m not a detail oriented person but it didn’t take long for me to realize this game hasn’t more depth than you could imagine and I find new shit every time I play and I’ve beat the game 5 times 😂
i was streaming it with my friends they were asking why i was watching the whole thing HAHAHAHAHA
Pretty sure this always plays in the elevator the first time you get in it
Colver seems like the only sensible person in night city
1:52 good foreshadowing on jackie's fate if you don't send him to his family
damn the reverend is throwing solid arguments like jesus abs
I watched the whole clip in the lift where Jackie sends me back, and I sense this might be an in-game spoiler......and....it is, LoL.
Colver's spitting facts
I think I might be with the ol' reverend on this one
I'm not against the idea of transhumanism, but Arasaka sure ain't the folks to make it happen
Imagine the horror of not being able to die
@@Dryhten1801I could get used to it. If I’m someone who doesn’t believe in an afterlife, then why would I want my life to end? Why would I want to miss all of the different experiences that I could witness or be apart of? I don’t see immortality as a terrible thing if it means I get to witness the changes of the world long after my expected
@@russellpuff1996 The world is an awful place and you'll soon grow tired of it, most do by the age of 70
It is not transhumanism tho, it is more so an AI imitating the person
If real talk shows asked these questions
Project red should make a tv show
As a Christian, I’d rather live eternity in Heaven than have my mind trapped in a computer server.
i saw this on my apartment in cyberpunk
Colver is right.
It's easy to be right when you run the same con as the competition. The difference is that while the church wants to control you. Arasaka wants to literally own you. You are an ring in their ear or a buckle on belt. A literal possession of there's.
Decide for youself which option is worse.
@@kalen2465 Arasaka's way worse. They want to LITERALLY control you after death.
@@DH-jy9tr Think about it. What if the situations were different?
@@therandomlaniusedward2140 How? It doesnt matter the 'situation'. Imagine having the construct of a love one haunting you always? It's a horrible thought.
@@kalen2465 Arisaka by far alot of religious people mean well at least
Im like dedazz Immersed watching these.
I think why everyone is siding with the preacher in the comment section, is well, you are playing the unwitting victim of said relic
The silence breaks lmao
We are not far from it, sooner or later immortality is possible
Colver is right
While Colver brings up valid points, Lee also brings up good points. I've seen my relatives grieve over their loved ones, and some have told me that they would love to see the ones who have passed on again. However, this brings up some controversial points. Look at the circumstances between Johnny Silverhand and Jackie Welles. Regardless of what Colver or Lee say, there are some issues that we face, do we extract someone's soul like they did with Johnny, or do we extract the soul like they did with Jackie?
@@ZacharyRodriguezVlogs I stand with Colver. The dead is dead, let them remain a memory.
@@ZacharyRodriguezVlogs We already had some actual experience of emulating the dead digitally. Sometime in 2019 a South Korean television show had a grieving mother "talk" to her dead child through VR and the experience is... Bizarre...
@@KamenKami agreed.
@@ZacharyRodriguezVlogs And look at Alt Cunningham. That’s essentially what the human mind turns into when held in cyberspace long-term.
Eternal life in the material realm would be an absolute curse and most religions acknowledge this.
But yeah immortality in itself in a decaying material universe is an impossibility I mean Islam and Christianity differentiates a perfect body from the flesh for a reason because the flesh is simply bound here and subject to decay and limitations of its own material perception. Humanity cant even fathom the material universe let alone infinity or even a fraction of it. With a perfect spiritual body Id assume you would be able to comprehend it and not find eternity to be completely terrible overtime.
But yeah I don't know if I'm particularly religious or think any religion is right or if there is no afterlife at all.
But Ill take an afterlife or non existence over living a cursed existence where I would probably descend into madness as everything loses its luster and the concept of an eternity life never designed me to comprehend drives me to existential crisis despair madness and suicide you can only extend life for so long eternal life here is impossible.
Ziggy Q = Caesar Flickerman
So uh, anyone here now terrified at the reality of this now that Metaverse is offering a very similar product?
Imagine if google creates some IA of us, that’s gonna do the searches, write on internet or put the music we were supposed to listen at that moment 😂😂😂
this ages badly lol
@@unknowngod8221 Sure it did buddy, go back to your bubble
that's awesome .
Haven't met these characters in the game, what did I miss?
This video shows up on the elevator ride home after the first mission.
Cyberpunk 2077 Futuristic Alien Tomorrowland Cybertron TV Show Universe: Night After Night With Ziggy Q - Arasaka Relic™ Chip Debate (Featuring Karina Lee & Reverend Colver)
I wonder if V will ever meet this guy
0:50
Actually, we can be called as algorithms, because our brain is filled with circuitry like neurons and the electricity are flowing on it.
Gay
The reverad critiqued Arasaka for false promises, Greed and Lust for Power.... yep thats the church for ya... "Well couldn't it just smell more like hypocrisy... oh but if it isn't the catholic church!"_Alucard: "Hellsing Abriged"
Well, who better can properly spot hypocrisy and false promises when they see it than the ones who have held the reins on it for centuries!
L take - the most church youve probably breath is from TV. False equivalence in a Nutshell💀I dont even go to church and even I know this shi is cap.
I'm not religious but that reverend was speaking facts. The chip is corpo greed, it just emulates a person rather than actually preserving them. Churches can be a little dodgy, but they can't exactly give free services because they're just not funded by anyone other than the people who want these services. I'm sure there are churches out there that are fair on pricing and aren't corrupt, I just don't believe in the religion
That's just a generalization that all churches are like mega Churches but the early churches had no intention to gain power they were all persecuted for spreading the gospel
Cope Majorkusanagi, down with the thinking machines. Long live the Butlerian Jihad
Man Propaganda Leaders hits super hard lol
I only watch REAL TV
7892 #Lee
Yikes
I wouldn't want to talk to my dead loved ones knowing its just a copy.
Furry
I hate this set