With the Ultra Flos it made 420rwhp/470 rwtq; with the Walkers it made 443 rwhp/490 rwtq - but with 1.5 degrees more timing. Tightening up the blower belt at the track netted another 3 mph. So figure it's around 470/500 at the wheels right now.
Less noise and more power? Bonus. One of the advantages of keeping exhaust roar down is you get to catch important engine noises - often an early indicator that saves big bucks
The h pipe gives you a deeper sound. With the ultraflos, the car didn't sound as loud as it really way. I mean, it sounded loud for a street car, but it really shook the ground. It would set off car alarms in parking garages. The x pipe is a higher pitched tone. Also, suppesedly (I've never tested this), the x pipe gives you a little more high rpm horsepower, while the h pipe gives you more low end torque. I should look into this - the LTD might benefit from an x pipe! Thanks.
Over time, the ultra flos definitely get louder as the packing wears out. I run Jones Full Boar mufflers now, and back to back track testing (muffs vs no muffs) showed zero difference. The car now runs 9.8's at 140 mph.
AlexLTDLX Once that packing burns out your get reversion in the case causing backpressure,happens with all strait through "packed" style mufflers.I use hooker areo chambers and superturbos on my cars.
no offense but i think you need to have the car retuned with the Ultraflo's, because the Walker Tru-Fit mufflers you used are just cheap replacement mufflers not intended for performance like the Ultraflo; if you look at a cutaway of both you can see the Ultraflo is wide open while the Tru-Fit has chambers and perforated tubes like a stock muffler, it may flow a little better than stock but not by a lot i think if you have it retuned for the extra flow, the Ultraflo's will make more power since they're wide open and straight through; an aquaintance of mine has a 65 Chevelle with a 468/8-71 and his car makes more power with Ultraflo's over the old Super Turbo's, and Super Turbo's flow great, best turbo mufflers you can get
PikasFilm If I want quiet but lots of flow, I go for a long case Magnaflow/Ultraflo if there's room. If not, Dynomax Super Turbos are very mild, even with headers and no cats, they're super mellow but flow great. In my experience because they have the flow directors that smooth the flow, they drone less than standard turbo mufflers.
@@AdmiralRustyShackleford I ran a dynomax super turbo on my Integra years ago. 4-2-1 header, no cat, straight back to muffler. No other muffler or resonator. Raspy, but quiet. Decent torque and throttle response too.
Both of those mufflers, the Super Turbo more so, will get louder over time as you run them more. Probably 6 months or more to break in depending how you drive and how much. Most of the ST's get REALLY loud towards the end of their life. Doubt at that point there's ANY packing left. Once the packing settles or blows out they sound better. I used to use Super Turbo's on everything but lately (past few years) the core tubes narrow down. It's already a reverse flow design so restricting flow any more sure isn't a plus.
My vote is for the Walkers. I think the Ultra-Flows just sounded bassy, but they did not have what I would call a distinct tone. I like the semi-hollow and more defined sound of the Walkers. They sound really good at WOT. I bet they will sound even better after they break in. Give them a few hundred miles.
That's the only reason why I'll put X pipe. I like deeper sound and with straight through mufflers I think I'll have that sound. Well it's American V8, can't be bad!!! :) Thanks for the info.
@@GameTime-cn7sm The catalytic converter? Keep it on that car. I don't have any specific recommendations. It'll help quiet it down and it'll smell less like raw exhaust.
3 year review: i switched to the walker after this video and to date have blown up 4 of these same mufflers i have switched to different ones. the hole necks down to about 1.8 inches about 5 inches in the hole
At the power level the car was at when I made this video, the HP loss from the Walkers was negligible. But when I turned the wick up, they did in fact end up melting and distorting a bit (added about 200 hp - bigger blower/motor). I now run Jones Maxflow mufflers and after an A-B-A track test, there was no loss in power at 800-850 flywheel hp. The Jones mufflers are fantastic.
Yeah, I'm more focused on quiet these days. It's worth noting that I've moved on to Jones Max Flow mufflers, because as the car got faster, the Walkers were just getting over powered (read: hot) to the point where one of the cases distorted from the heat.
Thanks! :) Can you tell me the difference between X and H pipe....as I know H pipe is louder than X? I'll put true duals with X pipe and long tubes on my GTA with something like Ultra Flo mufflers. Pipes will be 2.75 because that's the option I have here in Eurpe. I hope it will not be too loud. New crate engine is ready too!! :)
X's probably allow for better high rpm power as they allow for a smoother transition for the uneven exhaust pulses to scavenge each other. If you look at a NASCAR stock car exhaust, they'll have the X leading to dual "boom tubes" which exit at one side of the car. The X will probably give more of a higher pitched cackle sound compared to the H.
Oops - just watched my own video - the F body was another run. That car looks to be some monza/vega kind of thing. Dunno - it was another trailered car. I drive mine to the track, air down the tires, and go!
That wasn't intentional... just worked out that way. The Walkers were much quieter. But this was years ago. Now I'm in love with Jones Max Flow mufflers. Like Ultraflos, but quieter, better made, stainless and cheaper.
Feel like the odd man out... prefer the ultraflows. Walkers a bit too harsh for me. Surprised the walkers were quieter, but over the internet who knows.
The Walkers were definitely quieter - considering their internals, not surprising (they necked down to under 2.5" internally). The Ultraflos were certainly more "alpha male." The Jones Maxflows I run now are like quieter Ultraflos, but they're better made, look better and are cheaper.
Nah - it was some 9 second 2nd gen F-body that was trailered, back-back halved (at least - didn't look too closely) and driven by a guy who had problems staging.
BassManBobBassCovers the more chambers/change of directions and sound deadening material such as stainless steel wool and fiberglass packing a muffler has the more quiet it will be. A common muffler style uses a chamber on each end and 3 perforated tubes. The exhaust will have a one way path through the tubes with end caps that keep the exha switching direction from tube to tube and the muffler can have packing surrounding the tubes. This is one of the first performance mufflers after the straight through glass packs and it is called a turbo muffler. This is a fairly mild sounding muffler but still has some decent flow. These mufflers shown are for more of a performance sound with decent flow if you are looking for quieter mufflers they have those. You dont have to put 2 in line for a quiet exhaust . Mercedes Benz has some of the quietest I've heard personally. I removed them from my e series because I like more of a performance sound .
@mightyjo3young Thanks! But when you take into account my "day job" it probably steals some of the magic. I'll still take the kind words any way I can!
You know, there are a lot of us (like those of us who live in Commonwealths like Virginia *ahem*) who want the performance without the annoying idiotified sound of loud pipes. Lets us keep a shred of dignity as grown-ass men while simultaneously not arousing the ire of the staties in pointy hats and jackboots. I like those Walkers, and I'm glad they didn't rob the performance aspect.
Hey dude,,, no worries your ride is all business! Your at or better than the GTR/ZL1/GT500! Other than the rims looks like Grandpa out for a sunday drive. That is if Grandpa is heading to the track.......
LOL... hey now. I did that in a pinch with my long-gone, craptastic Harbor Freight flux core welder/piece of garbage. I've since (a few years ago now) bought an AHP alphatig TIG welder - a whole different universe than the weld you've pointed out. But thanks for pointing it out. Now the world will see it and think less of me. j/k :) Thanks for watching!
Talk about a sleeper! Dude put a grandpa elmer fudd golf hat and then go messing with the Civics.... I would pay money to be in the passenger seat. I would pass out from laughter. What is ~ 1/4 mile time? Cheers
The ultra flos were pretty loud; but they were a few years old. The walkers ended up melting and distorting once i turned it up a bit - the car currently runs high 9's. Now I run Jones Full boar mufflers, they're quiet and cost no power (pulled them at the track to test - no difference). I'm sold on those.
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The walker allowed the engine to be heard more than the exhaust and that was a nice sound.
bought these and put them on and love the sound. after wasting 200$ on borla mufflers who would have thought that 60$ mufflers sounded better
Call me crazy, but I think the cheapo Walker's sound better than the UltraFlos.
I concur
+JonnyCrash i was thinking the same thing...
JonnyCrash you are so right there
JonnyCrash not crazy at all bro, I agree.
JonnyCrash
You may be right, but then again, computer speakers seldom do exhaust notes justice.
wow those welds at 1:11 lol. makes me feel proud of mine. :)
JC R not mine😔....guess that's why I'm a machinist and not a welder.
With the Ultra Flos it made 420rwhp/470 rwtq; with the Walkers it made 443 rwhp/490 rwtq - but with 1.5 degrees more timing. Tightening up the blower belt at the track netted another 3 mph. So figure it's around 470/500 at the wheels right now.
Less noise and more power? Bonus. One of the advantages of keeping exhaust roar down is you get to catch important engine noises - often an early indicator that saves big bucks
@flinch622 it only made more power because he added 1.5 degree of timing!
Love that car,83 to 86 LTD's are cool as hell, I don't care what anyone says.
Thanks!
I haven't seen one of those in decades. It looks great in 2024
The h pipe gives you a deeper sound. With the ultraflos, the car didn't sound as loud as it really way. I mean, it sounded loud for a street car, but it really shook the ground. It would set off car alarms in parking garages. The x pipe is a higher pitched tone. Also, suppesedly (I've never tested this), the x pipe gives you a little more high rpm horsepower, while the h pipe gives you more low end torque. I should look into this - the LTD might benefit from an x pipe! Thanks.
I liked the Dynomax at idle but liked the Walker at WOT!
Best so far is a 10.77 @ 128 with a 1.56 60'. Gotta get that 60' down another tenth or two. Making some small changes to try to hit 130 in the 1/4.
Walkers sound much better imo,the ultras are insanely boomy.
Over time, the ultra flos definitely get louder as the packing wears out. I run Jones Full Boar mufflers now, and back to back track testing (muffs vs no muffs) showed zero difference. The car now runs 9.8's at 140 mph.
AlexLTDLX Once that packing burns out your get reversion in the case causing backpressure,happens with all strait through "packed" style mufflers.I use hooker areo chambers and superturbos on my cars.
Thanks for the video, very clarifying.
love the Dopler Effect demo..... prefer the Walker here for sure.
no offense but i think you need to have the car retuned with the Ultraflo's, because the Walker Tru-Fit mufflers you used are just cheap replacement mufflers not intended for performance like the Ultraflo; if you look at a cutaway of both you can see the Ultraflo is wide open while the Tru-Fit has chambers and perforated tubes like a stock muffler, it may flow a little better than stock but not by a lot
i think if you have it retuned for the extra flow, the Ultraflo's will make more power since they're wide open and straight through; an aquaintance of mine has a 65 Chevelle with a 468/8-71 and his car makes more power with Ultraflo's over the old Super Turbo's, and Super Turbo's flow great, best turbo mufflers you can get
snakesonaplane2 No doubt, but I was going for quiet. I was surprised that there appeared to be so little power loss.
PikasFilm If I want quiet but lots of flow, I go for a long case Magnaflow/Ultraflo if there's room. If not, Dynomax Super Turbos are very mild, even with headers and no cats, they're super mellow but flow great. In my experience because they have the flow directors that smooth the flow, they drone less than standard turbo mufflers.
@@AdmiralRustyShackleford I ran a dynomax super turbo on my Integra years ago. 4-2-1 header, no cat, straight back to muffler. No other muffler or resonator. Raspy, but quiet. Decent torque and throttle response too.
Nice sleeper!. Although the steering wheel offset on those mid 80's LTD's used to drive me bonkers. Could not stand driving them.
I've been thinking about possibly changing out the steering wheel. What about the offset bothered you?
I would say the Ultra's sound more Camaro'y and the Walker's sound more Cop car-ish.
Excellent comparison. Wicked LTD. I love it!
Walker for the win... maybe they sound different in real life, but the PC speaker w sub makes the walkers sound amazing
They both sounded good. The Ultra Flos were deeper, and the packing did eventually "wear out." I'm a Jones Max Flow muffler guy now, fwiw.
You made the video? Very nice!
Both of those mufflers, the Super Turbo more so, will get louder over time as you run them more. Probably 6 months or more to break in depending how you drive and how much. Most of the ST's get REALLY loud towards the end of their life. Doubt at that point there's ANY packing left. Once the packing settles or blows out they sound better. I used to use Super Turbo's on everything but lately (past few years) the core tubes narrow down. It's already a reverse flow design so restricting flow any more sure isn't a plus.
this is a BADASS car!!!!
Lol. Thanks. Back when I started messing with it, people laughed at it. I may or may not have made some money with it as a result...
Walker Tru-Fit mufflers are a stock replacement muffler, you're basically comparing apples to oranges here.
If the performance didn't suffer, does it matter how they're classified?
+AlexLTDLX Not really, I thought it was more sound versus sound not performance. Interesting to know that the performance didn't suffer.
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Was that a GN that smoked ya in the one clip? Where was the drag strip Cecil Co?
My vote is for the Walkers. I think the Ultra-Flows just sounded bassy, but they did not have what I would call a distinct tone. I like the semi-hollow and more defined sound of the Walkers. They sound really good at WOT. I bet they will sound even better after they break in. Give them a few hundred miles.
Same company btw
That's the only reason why I'll put X pipe.
I like deeper sound and with straight through mufflers I think I'll have that sound.
Well it's American V8, can't be bad!!! :)
Thanks for the info.
What is this car idling at? Just bought the dynomax ultra flows for my car, not on yet, but yours sounds nasty.
Vincent M. Masiello I don't know - around 1,000 rpm. It's a little high because I don't run an IAC.
Thanks, sounds great.
That Eaton is screaming. I love it.
I got a Cadillac Deville 1990 I want to get a muffler but a quiet one a cheap one what can you recommend me
Walker Quiet Flow
Thanks
What about the Cadillac converter
Cadillac converter you need Torch No screws
@@GameTime-cn7sm The catalytic converter? Keep it on that car. I don't have any specific recommendations. It'll help quiet it down and it'll smell less like raw exhaust.
3 year review: i switched to the walker after this video and to date have blown up 4 of these same mufflers i have switched to different ones. the hole necks down to about 1.8 inches about 5 inches in the hole
Yeah, I had mine get hot enough to deform. I now run Jones Max Flow mufflers.
should of left one ultra flow n one walker muffler on car just to see what it would sound like
Lost hotsepower with the walkers. Necked down inside??? Low performance muffler
At the power level the car was at when I made this video, the HP loss from the Walkers was negligible. But when I turned the wick up, they did in fact end up melting and distorting a bit (added about 200 hp - bigger blower/motor). I now run Jones Maxflow mufflers and after an A-B-A track test, there was no loss in power at 800-850 flywheel hp. The Jones mufflers are fantastic.
@46sec, I think that was buick/monte/G body? I thought F-bodies were camaro/firebird?
Anyhow thanks for sharing.
I was hoping to find a performance comparison. Weird to see everyone so focused on sound.
Yeah, I'm more focused on quiet these days. It's worth noting that I've moved on to Jones Max Flow mufflers, because as the car got faster, the Walkers were just getting over powered (read: hot) to the point where one of the cases distorted from the heat.
1:12 Thumbs UP! if you spot the Harbor Freight "Sawzall"
$19.99 Of save my butt!
That is not 75/80 that is capital raceway. Where the testing on the road was done looks like sundown road but I could be wrong on that one.
Thanks! :)
Can you tell me the difference between X and H pipe....as I know H pipe is louder than X?
I'll put true duals with X pipe and long tubes on my GTA with something like Ultra Flo mufflers. Pipes will be 2.75 because that's the option I have here in Eurpe. I hope it will not be too loud.
New crate engine is ready too!! :)
X's probably allow for better high rpm power as they allow for a smoother transition for the uneven exhaust pulses to scavenge each other. If you look at a NASCAR stock car exhaust, they'll have the X leading to dual "boom tubes" which exit at one side of the car. The X will probably give more of a higher pitched cackle sound compared to the H.
Oops - just watched my own video - the F body was another run. That car looks to be some monza/vega kind of thing. Dunno - it was another trailered car. I drive mine to the track, air down the tires, and go!
BTW - That was 75/80. At Cecil, the car would probably run 1-2 tenths quicker.
Why would you check idle db at fast idle for one and regular for the other.
That wasn't intentional... just worked out that way. The Walkers were much quieter. But this was years ago. Now I'm in love with Jones Max Flow mufflers. Like Ultraflos, but quieter, better made, stainless and cheaper.
Walkers sounded better to me he'll think I might change mine
Can these mufflers fit on any car?
Would this be super quiet on a o/r prochamber mid pipe?
Not really super quiet. I had a 3" Mac Prochamber - it was maybe a little quieter than the H pipe, but not much.
Great video man!
Ultra Flos sounds awesome!!
X or H pipe??
That car is bada$$
Feel like the odd man out... prefer the ultraflows. Walkers a bit too harsh for me. Surprised the walkers were quieter, but over the internet who knows.
The Walkers were definitely quieter - considering their internals, not surprising (they necked down to under 2.5" internally). The Ultraflos were certainly more "alpha male." The Jones Maxflows I run now are like quieter Ultraflos, but they're better made, look better and are cheaper.
Nah - it was some 9 second 2nd gen F-body that was trailered, back-back halved (at least - didn't look too closely) and driven by a guy who had problems staging.
How long have you had the Jones and how is it holding up now
ArnoTrek a couple of years now, and they're holding up perfectly. A big thumbs up from me.
thanks. what muffler config do you have. 2.5/3, center/offset, etc
ArnoTrek 3", I believe they are offset Inlet, centered Outlet. So technically I suppose they're reversible.
What if you put 2 mufflers on each pipe (4total) ?
Unfortunately, there's no room under the car.
AlexLTDLX
I was always curious how 2 mufflers would quiet down the system for some reason lol
BassManBobBassCovers the more chambers/change of directions and sound deadening material such as stainless steel wool and fiberglass packing a muffler has the more quiet it will be. A common muffler style uses a chamber on each end and 3 perforated tubes. The exhaust will have a one way path through the tubes with end caps that keep the exha switching direction from tube to tube and the muffler can have packing surrounding the tubes. This is one of the first performance mufflers after the straight through glass packs and it is called a turbo muffler. This is a fairly mild sounding muffler but still has some decent flow. These mufflers shown are for more of a performance sound with decent flow if you are looking for quieter mufflers they have those. You dont have to put 2 in line for a quiet exhaust . Mercedes Benz has some of the quietest I've heard personally. I removed them from my e series because I like more of a performance sound .
@mightyjo3young Thanks! But when you take into account my "day job" it probably steals some of the magic. I'll still take the kind words any way I can!
@AlexLTDLX
What is your day job?
Are those MD plates??? Yes!!! :)
Shhh... don't tell anyone...
LOVE this sleeper!
The walker sounds SOOO much better
DYNOMAX is different division of WALKER company, like FORD& LINCOLN, or CHEVY and Buick, or HONDA& ACURA,TOYOTA& LEXUS
Thx. H-pipe. I've always like 3rd gen F-Bodies, BTW; esp. the Ponchos.
Are these extremely quiet?
I don't know if I'd say extremely quiet but yes they're pretty quiet.
You know, there are a lot of us (like those of us who live in Commonwealths like Virginia *ahem*) who want the performance without the annoying idiotified sound of loud pipes. Lets us keep a shred of dignity as grown-ass men while simultaneously not arousing the ire of the staties in pointy hats and jackboots. I like those Walkers, and I'm glad they didn't rob the performance aspect.
14 inch vs 20,,, there are alot of options in between,,,
Hey dude,,, no worries your ride is all business! Your at or better than the GTR/ZL1/GT500! Other than the rims looks like Grandpa out for a sunday drive.
That is if Grandpa is heading to the track.......
Walker makes it sound muscly
Interesting how people view the mufflers differently. Some people thought the Walkers sounded weaker than the Utraflos. Thanks for the comment.
@mbreinin Damn... that was fast!
cool
walkers all the way!! Ill bet the drone was gone
1:11 that weld tho
LOL... hey now. I did that in a pinch with my long-gone, craptastic Harbor Freight flux core welder/piece of garbage. I've since (a few years ago now) bought an AHP alphatig TIG welder - a whole different universe than the weld you've pointed out.
But thanks for pointing it out. Now the world will see it and think less of me. j/k :)
Thanks for watching!
Talk about a sleeper! Dude put a grandpa elmer fudd golf hat and then go messing with the Civics.... I would pay money to be in the passenger seat. I would pass out from laughter.
What is ~ 1/4 mile time?
Cheers
Heluva sleeper
ultra flows would make it quieter?
The ultra flos were pretty loud; but they were a few years old. The walkers ended up melting and distorting once i turned it up a bit - the car currently runs high 9's. Now I run Jones Full boar mufflers, they're quiet and cost no power (pulled them at the track to test - no difference). I'm sold on those.
Uhh..tbh the Walker's sounded a bit better imo.
crap... i like em both
walker was faster
Quiet power? Why build a hotrod if noise is a concern. The ultra flos sounds way more ball 🏀- sy. 👍🏼🤘🏼😎
I'm getting older, and have no wish to annoy my neighbors. Nice for it's a screen when you open it up though.
3" LOL