The reason Sentinel is so overpowered in Marvel vs Capcom 2.
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Today we're playing more Marvel vs Capcom 2 on NullDC BEAR! I made it my mission to improve my Sentinel gameplay, and I think I learned a lot along the way! Today I'm going to be showing you some of the glitches and techniques that pro Sentinel players use to make this character TRULY broken. Hope you enjoy the tech video and the matches!
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I always wish they made this specific Sentinel an actual comic character. Just think that somewhere out there, in the sea of jobber and easily trashed Sentinel robots exists the dreaded COTA-94 model who completely fucks mutants up without mercy.
I used to think that was the case when i was a kid, I always thought it'd be a doper idea
I always imagine that would be the case if sentinels had "Field Commander" squad/company units...But that would require installing adaptive-learning AI to enhanced communication and power-source units to...and we all know how that would end up.
@@soldio4143 would? I'm pretty sure exactly that has happened in Canon multiple times. ;)
jobbers? Sentinels have constantly been an absolute nightmare to the X-MEN
If they made a new MVC game and put Sentinel in it should be Nimrod. Nimrod is basically the ultimate mutant killing model of Sentinel.
I think Mike Ross and Fanatiq said it best "You don't play Sentinel, you pilot Sentinel".
BRUH.
Sentajamal?
To this day! that’s a hard ass bar
Of course he's overpowered - he's just 1 sentinel in a game thats absolutely *replete* with mutants!
It is a mutant hunter/killer at that...
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsu
Conservation of Ninjutsu for Sentinels.
@@jamealjordon1376 that's just human history simplified
To be fair this isn't a normal sentinel but its an inaccurately scaled version of the sentinel that creates more sentinel so not only is there more than one (drones) but its also kinda buff 😎👉👉
NIMROD! in disguise.
I want to become a pilot. My options are:
A: Go to flight school, obtain pilot license, get access to a small plane
B: Learn Sentinel
Lol., 😂 🤣
Sentinel is deadass like a boss character in this game. And I love to use it.
It's like he's the sub boss of the game before Abyss alongside Magneto and Storm.
X-Men characters were so busted.
jmcrofts: "For SOME REASON..."
me: "Aww s**t, here we go again."
Wow, this series gotta go on, it's so good
"For some reason"
MVC2 in a nutshell
Also, not to mention:
1. Sentinel has the highest health in the game (25% damage reduction)
2. Has a self-unblockable on incoming or wakeup with his laser if timed right.
Unblockable low beam setups invalidating 3/4th of the roster is also pretty OP.
Possibly the trickiest meaty in all of fighting games.
To be fair Omega Red can beat 2/3rds of the cats by spamming jumping hard punch in while superjumping
After playing this game for 20 years I've come to the conclusion that it wasnt finished
Yeah would've been nice if it had a faithful sequel...
lol but that new game feel in 2000!
In what aspect brother please do elaborate!!???
@@1Mic1Life as in they really wanted to release a new game in early 2000 according to my memory instead of wait till it is all balanced and tested release in like 2001
@@HiJakOG oh for sure man ......makes sense though they wanted a launch title most likely .....
Yeah, devs must've been overworked when doing Sentinel- they let so much slip through the cracks. If the game was out today, he would've been patched within the first few weeks of release lol.
It's not just Sentinel - MvC2 has more glitches than it has characters.
@@coreypatterson5827Not just glitches, but pure oversight and disparity.
Some characters were nerfed purposely, like Strider and Wolverine, although Strider got re-purposed into a viable choice by people like Clockwork by making him a tandem with Doom.
Others got nerfed simply because they were just dropped into the engine with no work done to make them compatible with the engine ie Chun Li. These types of characters have moves that just don't work as well as they did previously, such as Chun's legs super not being able to combo without an assist due to the start-up being longer or the screen freeze being shorter. We know they really didn't care about the ramifications of dumping sprites into the game without proper tooling because of how much time they spent on the new characters, specifically Cable, and his 1 frame AHVB.
They even took out her air super, meaning they ACTUALLY HAD TO LOOK AT HER FILES, but just didn't want to do any real work. Same case with most of the non Marvel cast and Sabertooth.
@@shishioh
Makes me wish there was a mvc2 remake that finished all the other characters that aren't X-men.
@@meyes5671 I'm honestly surprised that someone hasn't actually modded the game code to make improvements to the lower tier after all of these years.
They nerfed akuma for no good reason too lol. Sakura was stronger than him
Sentinal looks absolutely obnoxious in this game, wow. Just constantly shoving boots in your face at a diagonal above you.
kind of like a character in MvC3 that rhymes with boctor boom or something like that.
@@takeshii footdive is unsafe though
@@jackg6887 Footdive looks way cooler though
Long story short, This Sentinel is missing a TON of frames and animations that this sprite had in COTA. MVC2's lazy programming is to blame.
That lazy programming led to one of the most iconic fighting game characters in the whole genre. Sometimes you just trip and fall unto greatness.
@@davidtran1360 I'm almost certain the roster had more to do with it than anything...
The fact that most of them are straight garbage led to Sentinel being this revered. Don't know if you were around for it, but NOBODY played this character in COTA.
@@shishioh sentinel is one of the top tier characters in cota
@@shishioh Sentinel was one of the best in COTA, thats where all that marvel 2 tech came from
Yeah I watched a COTA match other day I'm like oh yeah!
Sentinel welcomed me to Marvel as he was my very first online fighting game experience,got bodied every single time and I couldn't see 80% of my character because of that flight mechanic.
10/10 Would fight him again.
After all these years, the 'unflight action mode' was a surprise to me. MvC2 is a Field of Study at this point.
mvc2 really boils down to its own science/academic or whatever due to how intricate, technical, and in-depth not only the combo system is, but the entire game
The music alone makes me want to get back into this game. Timeless 🔥
It was better in cps2 games tho
GONNA TAKE YA FOR A RIDE
Lool the music succed azz.
@@johnny2x459 not my fault you have no taste 👀
Love this game, i hate that its not played more on youtube
There's brett
I didn't even know Sentinel had a fly mode 🤣
I think it would be cool to see you explain the characters base gameplan in vanilla, then explain the competitive glitches and exploits that push him to the next level
The design of Sentinel is amazingly beautiful
his laser beam is unblockable on incoming sometimes
He flies, can defeat the one exploitable weakness of his flight through a glitch, has massive reach, chip damage on normal hits, projectiles that cover the stage and can combo into and out of supers, a hit of super armor and can cover the arena faster than characters half his size...and that's WITHOUT assists from his team. He has literally everything.
Is it any wonder you can't turn around without seeing him in a match? How he's not banned from more tournaments is beyond me. He's the Shin Akuma of MVC2.
Because its a team fighting game you can outplay the opponent with other characters. Not saying hes not broken but theres always a chance with assist
He's not banned because people play MvC2 specifically FOR broken characters like Sentinel. If you want a polished, balanced fighting game experience then why hell are you playing Marvel?
@@Kanelel I'm not. I stopped years ago when I started seeing Sentinel in literally every single matchup. The reason most people play sentinel is because they know their opponents will; if they don't play him, they are at an overwhelming disadvantage. Most people play him because they MUST.
@@therealbahamut Hes technically better in Marvel 3 in every way but health but hes still another good character because they gave options to everyone else. Sentinel is great because most of the Marvel 2 cast is limited and not able to combo into a super on their own but even then hes not Shin Akuma. Anyone any good at fighting games knows the difference.Bnetween really good and broken
I don't know how difficult it is to include the twitch chat in your yt uploads, but a lot of mvc2 og's have been dropping knowledge during them and it would be great if they could be preserved.
i remember being overkilled by my brother using sentinel, magneto and storm i never understand the background of it since i was a teenager, now you came with a good explanation, never had a chance against my brother hahaha,if i was able to escape the ground combo he always find me in mid-air to lock it with the aerial combo and finisher
Right of passage lol I used to smoke the absolute shit out of my littler brothers in SFII haha
That was interesting but I still have one question: Did the character select BGM singer ever take you for that ride?
Lol
I loved this game hated that song alot of songs on the game were cheesy
I unironically love the soundtrack. I get why people don't like it but I really enjoyed it. :)
Dude you exposed something to me that I have been curious about for years. I only brushed on this game as mvc3 and sf4 were coming out before I started playing seriously. This information is gold; thank you so much for this wealth of knowledge.
i have no idea what’s going on when the game starts
it's one of those games that has a bunch of layers you have to learn in succession to get to the level of "passable". and all the layers aren't spelled out explicitly somewhere. dreamcancel has a good guide on the basics but you have to learn the layers of exploits that were not intended by the devs that exist beyond that and those layers go from somewhat obscure to "only justin wong knows". if you want to be good. sounds like it's not worth the trouble but it's not as hard to learn when you just start doing it and when you start actually being able to do terrible versions of the stuff good players can do it becomes really addicting. it also helps you to be good at a bunch of other fighting games. if youre good at mvc2 your good at fighing games in general.
I love how you didn't even have time to talk about like half the reasons Sentinel is insane in this game. Chip damage on all his normals, insanely busted damage scaling, unblockable mouth beam, the list goes on.
No wonder they call MvC3 Sentinel Wackbot lol
Mouth beam is unblockable?
he did talk about chip normals but yeah not the other stuff. I need to pick up marvel, it looks so fun but it's insanely fast and there's all kinds of BS mix and setups in it, even battle for the grid gets overwhelming at time and this is just on a different level.
@@RandoBox Yeah when timed right the low mouth beam is unblockable.
@@RandoBox The way I understand it is that if your opponent blocks only the very last frame or two of the mouth beam, it's unblockable. So basically you can set up situations where you knock the opponent down and throw out a mouth beam while they're in recovery frames so they only get hit by the last couple frames of the move. Not easy, but the best players know how to do it pretty reliably.
When the mouth beam is unblockable, sometimes it hits twice. THAT SHIT HURTS YO.
Awesome video would love more stuff like this!
I've always been interested in MVC2 i played it on the xbox when i was a kid and i've watched a decent amount of it but i still dont understand why certain characters are so op and why others are not.
Thanks for the content
thank you so much for this! I was never able to find this information out anywhere, and was wondering why my combos were dropping with flight!
Take a shot every time he says 'for some reason"
Hey this is vaderwalk's family, he tried this and we feel like you should pay for his funeral.
I used to own this on dreamcast but i was in 8th grade and i never got good. Thanks for sharing the tech. I've been reading up on this game and watching vids of jwonggg. I finally got this game to work on Fightcade2 so MvC2 and CvS2 are just like new for me especially since I picked up stick a few years ago. Great fighting game videos dude. Much love and respect to all my fellow fighting game fans!
More videos likes this please! Maybe from other games as well. It's so interesting to learn about the game mechanics.
I don’t know if he mentioned this but sentinel can absorb like 140% damage (please correct me if the exact number is wrong) compared to a normal character taking a hit. So it’s like having a character and a half.
Super huge mvc2 fan, but your energy is what makes me hyped about these videos
22 seconds in and this guy is the Goat. Straight just told me how to get and play one of the greatest fighting games of all time. I didn't have to lose brain cells hearing him ramble on and I still have plenty of time to stay young and strong. Plenty of time to play this game. I knew there was a reason why I kept toning. The first video I watch of you was the break down of EHonda vs DJ. Never got a chance to actually be good at the game sense I was just a child but watching you explain the grabs and techniques just made that fight so much better and exciting to watch. I felt like I had been playing the game for years. If I'm not subscribed yet I am now
One of the best fighting games of all time I was hoping it would've got release on the PS4
Love this series, but I also love watching you get snuffed out of existence at the end by the Sentiental.
Subscribed
A lot of reasons. Super armor, super strength, flight mode + good aaa, etc.
He didn't even get the mango sentinel smh
Didn't know such monster players exists on this game, i mean the guy who pull the sentinel combo at the end.
We used to play like this to add depth so it wasn't always an MSS mirror match:
2 bans each. No one picks those characters. P1 bans once. P2 bans twice. Then P1 does second ban.
No dupes in character select, so once a character is picked they can't be on the other team (or same team if you were on Dreamcast).
P1 picks 1
P2 picks 1 and 2
P1 picks 2 and 3
P2 picks 3
You got some really varied teams that way and needed a deep roster. The last person to win was P1, not always the P1 slot.
You could skip the ban phase if you wanted top tiers, since it was pretty much always MSSC that got banned in my town.
What you have just said is the most confusing bit of nonsense I've ever heard in my life
and I still pick the next best character and watch the people expecting Spiderman to suddenly become good cry tears of blood
Loving your videos! Can you please do a breakdown of the Clockwork vs Neo ft15?
good info my guy! i'm trying to get better with the sentinel myself!
How do you play? An emulator or the actual copy
You also forgot about Sentinel's Unblockable. The ducking hp if you can make the thick outer portion miss but the inner portion hit, the inner portion will not be unblock able. There's a way to defeat it with some characters, like blocking 1 frame before the beam touches you. This allows you to conserve your guaranteed guard frames allowing you to block it, but some characters [Psylocke for example] can't use this defense at all. This can be done when a character falls in from the side of the screen, after falling from a super-jump, and after a hard knockdown in a combo allowing you to reset the damage possibly killing the character.
Yo JM want a new chair? I'll throw in 100 bucks, think of it as payment for 3 years of adblock haha
I wasn't even watching live and I got excited about timer bets
Lol it's always Cable! Subscribed. Cool channel!
Watching these glitches and tricks, I feel like Sentinel retroactively created the “Wait, that’s illegal” meme.
I remember when this came out at the arcade. It was crowded and so many players were so intimidating due to how fast they played.
.....wrong!!!
wow this game is like learning how to play the piano, or an sp 1200. really technical. but it's very cool.
I appreciate this, I have watched the game for a while but never bothered to learn all of this
Great video!
Yo Crofts, been a sub for awhile and just wanted to say I've moved on from dbfz these days and don't watch those videos as much now, that's why I always appreciate these videos.
Keep it up bro.
(Currently on SFV, but lowkey playing GG ready for strive)
Fly un-flys, drones, and that beam son
Who on earth made these sprites? All the Marvel Sprites are so beautiful and expressive omg
You say the word 'LISTEN' more than Navi the fairy from Zelda OoT.
Hey JM thanks for all the mvc2 videos because of them I got really interested and got Nulldc Bear and i am learning the game
So glad this game is getting some new blood!
Marvel will never die baby!
His flying ability is amazing! Used to troll the easier players with him. You made me realize how much I missed this game.
Everyone talks about the THC but learning about the other tech is really nice
Cable Sent is definitely a really strong combo to play.
Please keep making these and tutorials!
Love the Marvel videos!
Fyi all of the flight mode and Unfly rules covered here apply to ALL characters with a fly
Thanks for telling us about NULLDC BEAR. I wish every video did this.
How do you play the game itself though
there is also some very detailed info on unfly if you look up "Joo's Combo Collection - CT - Unfly" that Magnetro has on his youtube
I like the actual reason you made the video better than the way the title makes it sound
You mentioned the arcade version of the game at some point in one of your videos, How's that possible? I've been looking for years for the arcade rom to emulate but I can't find it (a working rom), give a little advice please
Yo know what I'd like to see is a good video explaining how you have your button layout for this game on a arcade stick and the reasons why. Keep up great content.
LP HP A1
LK HK A2
that's the arcade layout, it would be weird to use anything else
Love the content 😎
Oh good ol mvc2 and sentinal's galore! Also, did you know he has a cross up with his mouth laser move? if you time it right when someone comes in or on wake up, it you time it where it hits almost at the end of its hit animation, it will cross up.
That unfly glitch is the principle of an ironman unfly infinite combo... try it... i luv that one
All you have to do to get unfly is get hit during a normal jump (or after cancelling flight).
Also I think the unblockable c.hp on the incoming character is OD but maybe that's just me
That sentinel ended up showing us the glitches you wanted to show
Nice stripes JM!
I really like this series.
This is great, I miss marvel. Take it back to those roots! Lol great stuff
2:37 ish: _If you input a direction and an attack at the same time then you can cancel the startup frames of the flight mode and combo with this kick that you normally wouldn't be able to combo out of._
If there was a modern re-release of MvC2, and unintended glitches like this were fixed, would that be considered a good thing or a bad thing? Personally, I'd want awkward glitches to be fixed, but I can imagine that there would be at least some people who consider glitches that are consistent to be a good thing that shouldn't be fixed. I'm curious about what the community thinks about this.
lore accurate sentinel
I'M HERE FOR THE CONTENT
🤦🏽You forgot the most important/broken thing about Sentinel. His unblockable laser!!!!
I love that you didn't even mention that his Crouching heavy Punch mouth beam thing is just unblockable sometimes for ??????? reason.
You can also backdash cancel his mouth beam to shoot faster.
The reason = “He got the mango Sentinel”
Thank gawd for the machine
OH THAT'S THE MANGO SENTINEL,
WHERE YO CURLEY MOUSTACHE AT?
I just love the art style of this game. it looks so much better than MVC3
can you do a video explain his super infinite as well as cables, ive read online how to so it but i cant seem to get it.
Where did your get your rom for MvC2?
Did you not mentioned unblockable and DHC of death? These are relatively easier things to do than all the fly options and are actually more deadly. Also, the super armor makes it harder for rush down characters to successfully connect. Its also easy to do guard breaks using fast fly. And the biggest strength with sentinel is the fly speed where when just flying up and backwards, 90% of the cast cannot catch sentinel. With long range and highest damage normals in the game, sentinel can play air footsie with assist support, making him extremely dangerous in the air than on the ground.
Every time I see Dr. doom all I can think of is: "Foot Dive" "Foot Dive" "Foot Dive"
.....wrong!!!
I mean... he is a big character and a machine. He’s been like that, same with all the big characters since X-men children of the atom
Made this a series ln the channel, it would be awesome
Even with all of Sentinel's BS, I always found him a lot more fair than Cable, Magneto or Storm.
At least Sentinel can't infinite you into another infinite while building meter or AHVB 5 times in a row with a brainlessly easy motion. Also Sentinel is very easy to infinite himself. Just saying.
Yo!! Jayford aka Hologram Gootecks. I miss that guy. Man, I miss seeing the gang. I can’t wait for tournaments to happen.
#datSTROKElife
lmaooo yes bro!
gonna take ya for a ride
My boy Juggernaut is so underrated in this game
Is that arcade perfect? Like Dreamcast? I have the best ruby in Houston tx. I still have a combo vid of my girl Ruby Heart.
The kind of bugs that are in there are quite unbelievable
Get those sentinel gains