The worst Fighting Game character OF ALL TIME!!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2021
- Today we're back with another Marvel vs Capcom 2 character overview, and this time we're talking about Roll! Widely considered the worst character in MvC2, and one of the worst fighting game characters in general, Roll is very weak but she does have a few things going for her! We'll talk about her combos, supers, and some basic strategies for the character and good assists to use with her. Then we'll show some matches against Justin Wong where he actually DESTROYED me with Roll!
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"So would you say you got rocked and rolled?"- Justin Wong put together an entire team, just to make that pun.
Always better than gettin' Rickrolled
"Watch out for roll'n rocks"
Eh, not enough Bass.
Jokes aside, I love that he went for it.
Was Rock on the team? Because then the pun would work.
And for those who don't know, Rock is Mega Man's real name
@@esmooth919Rock was not, but the main synergy of the team was roll + Dr doom 's rock assist
Everyone has just been playing Roll wrong.
She's a grappler.
Fr?
Da fuq???
No she fights with a broomstick.
@@TwilightLink77 Makes sense! Since Tatsu is the only Godlike Roll... they had to nerf her in other VS games by removing her broomstick
What color belt is she in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu then?
The worst thing about her is how much her mediocre sprite clashes with ever other thing in the game, despite the fact this sprite was made for the game.
Yeah wtf is her idle pose? It looks like she should be holding a book or a clipboard or smthng, but she doesn't have one, so her hands are just kind of... hanging there.
@@halowaffle25 It looks she's holding her skirt down out of embarrassment, especially when she jumps
They do low key look like her hands are in a gorilla pose or somethin
@@FunvoltGunvolt when she jumps her skirt flies up exposing her and she has to pull it back down
@@TicyPhenylFanClub ya that's what I mean
I dunno anything about marvel vs Capcom, but the fact that the sprite seems to be in a completely different style is kinda funny. All the others have detailed shading and everything, but hers is just solid black outlines and flat colors. Almost makes me think they genuinely ran out of time to finish it
My favourite thing about Roll in these games is how when Tatsunoko vs Capcom made her actually an extremely decent character people still dismissed her for a while because they were so used to her being the worst of the worst lmfao.
In Tatsunoco there was a glitch with roll if you did her sweep super while standing on a bucket of water it would double 100% of her damage output making her the most broken character in that game. I loved her in tatsunoco.
Ya' see, the problem is she didn't have a BROOM in this game! She's a cleaning robot! What's she gonna do with a used Mega Buster?! Give her a broom and inform her that her opponents are dirt.
...then...it's over.
TvC Roll is probably one of the best redesigns of a character for a fighting game. Going from a really bad version of MvC Mega Man to a completely reworked character who's pretty fun to use.
@@SaviorGabriel No one cares about Roll as a character though.
Roll is pretty decent in TVC. But it was the vs Capcom game that brought Zero into the mix. At least by the time it localized. First off it's Zero, second he was really good.
So needless to say most people didn't really give her a second look for a while.
Let's also not forget that she has the joke character effect. Her status as a terrible character means that she has little meta developed and the pressure on her opponent to win is significantly increased. In other words, your opponent has to deal with a character that could pull out tricks they never knew about and feel a need to win since nobody wants to say that they lost to Roll.
Same mindset going against a little Mac in Smash.
Nothing more “goinmul” than winning w roll
@@hangry3102 as someone that played Mac in 4, yeah that’s how I rolled. Playing the bottom tier character fucked with people.
Even in MvC 1 this was a thing. I played in arcades when it was out, and my main team was Roll/Zangief. People would hate me for that.
By the way, against the final boss in that game? Roll was NASTY good.
yeah, the surprise factor
Its hilarious to me that even Justin Wong needs doom assist to make this character work.
I don't even play this game and I can tell that assist is bonkers
@@Space_Australian yea a lot of top tier assists in this game are pretty obviously bonkers. Sentinel drones just kinda control the entire ground, and Tron Bonne's projectile does like 30% on its own for no reason.
I mean, Doom assist could make me as a character work. The top tier assists were all broken in their own ways.
Visually speaking, going from Sentinel to Roll gave me whiplash. They don't look like they're in the same game at all.
Doom needs to keep appearing behind Roll like he's her dad, just so she can stay alive lmao
Comic books are cursed th-cam.com/video/E3CYRJFtlp0/w-d-xo.html
Doom is Roll's real father/creator. I'm shipping this now.
Doom assist is rolls best move
@@philithegamer8265 What the hell.
You won that one bro 🤣
It's okay. Even if a hairpin was a playable character in mvc2, Justin would rush us all down with it. Lol
He could but let’s be honest, he’s probably lame us all out
I'm imagining old Clippy from Windows 95 kicking my ass. His super would hit opponents with the F1 help screen.
@@munchkinmatt1670 check out clippy in mugen lol
@@deafmelonex6983 god dammit
@@deafmelonex6983 Yeah I remember him.
Toro and Kuro in SFxT are pretty bad. Lowest damage and very tiny health bars (plus horrible range on normals)
So you’re saying they’re twelve but without the air dash or the range on some of the normals?
No one likes Roll though.
@@kingkrispy5289 At least 12 has sick mixups and good neutral. It just has no damage to scare you.
That and after the first update. They were put behind a pay wall till you pay 20 extra.
Megaman and Pac-Man were also pretty dismal.
I would pick MegaMan, roll and servebot just to have the smallest possible team.
I'm glad Justin actually used Roll instead of treating his team like it only had 2 people in it. It seems more in the spirit of things. :)
No one likes Roll dude.
@@philithegamer8265 No one likes spam.
I'd still say Twelve is, arguably, the worst fighting game character Capcom's ever made. Roll is really bad, but this is MvC2, 75% of the cast might as well be garbage compared to the higher tiers.
Sean is definitely worse in 3rd Strike. Although at the very least Sean had the benefit of being good in 2nd Impact.
Sean is worse than twelve, no doubt (in 3s ofc)
Twelve is the most unfinished character ever, not necessarily the worst.
I just want to be part of the conversation, so I’m just going to say Brawl Ganon.
@NonZeroVolta It’s debatable if Remy, Sean, or Twelve is the worst.
Remy’s zoning is really bad in a game like 3rd Strike where fireballs aren’t that great and you can just parry them and take no damage.
Sean’s special moves are abysmally bad in terms of their frame data, with some of them being completely useless and are better off just not being used.
Twelve has awful frame data, terrible special moves, only one super that is at least okay, terrible buttons, and just feels unfinished overall.
Personally, I think Sean is the best of the three, and Twelve is the worst.
The only reason I played her in MvC1 was to hear her theme mid-battle. Doing Jin combos with _TSUTAETAI... KONO OMOI_ on your back is worth having to actually use her.
Agreed. That was such an awesome part about her.
Tsutaetai? Kono Omoi? Sounds like Sakura's theme. 😲 Got a link to what Roll's theme in Mvc1 sounds like?
@@zakutenakazumiya1516 th-cam.com/video/EWOyoyvx_j8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=MegamanZero
Knock yourself out, mate.
I always found it weird how she's so small compared to mega man. They're about the same height in regular mega man games like mega man 8 which her outfit is from
No one likes Roll.
@@philithegamer8265 Guess I'm no one.
@@georgeliquor1236 Yes you are. Waste of a slot. Protoman or Bass should've been in the game instead.
@@philithegamer8265 No one likes roll in this game. But in general people obviously like her or they wouldn't keep bringing her back.
Shoulda been Legends Roll though.
@@philithegamer8265 Nah, I'd run Roll. But you're right that Protoman and/or Bass should've been added too. Play the whole team. I'd prefer Protoman for that though - Family band.
LMAO watching you get bodied by JW's Roll was super entertaining.
Im pretty sure he was more entertained experiencing it first hand xD
@@ihaveaplan.ijustneedmoney.9777 No one likes Roll.
@@philithegamer8265 I like her rule 34
@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 pause
@@franciscoarzapalozapata4610 weird
Damn, ending got me wondering if there's a Juggernaut rundown. That damage is filthy!
I'll see what I can do
You can rush down with him
@@jmcrofts How dare you! Roll isn't the worst character ever! She's amazing! And super cute! Why did have to post this video? In case you haven't noticed, that girl is a tough genius! Not a weakling! I so blame you for this!
JW's "rock and rolled" pun is S+ tier, definitely above Storm, Sentinel, Cable and Magneto
You don't play Roll because she's a good fighter character, you pick her because she's cute.
She’s like 12 bro
@@fastest1321so? Calling her ugly would be mean and bla bla bla
@@Onigumo. or you could just not discuss how attractive or unattractive 12 year olds are to you
@@fastest1321 so calling something or someone "cute" means its attractive to you?
More mvc2 character breakdowns please!
Your videos have made some of my fellow old heads start up our locals again. Haven’t played in 15 years at least.
Revive the jive!
Dan: “Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle will be legendary!”
I like playind Dan.
It's fine, she gets her revenge in tvc
Soooo true that water attack was to much
Modding my WiiU this weekend to play this game for the first time ever. Found a random japanese copy at a Goodwill.
godtier
I have trouble believing there could be a worse fighting game character than SSB Ganondorf. No combos, everything is slow, no jump height whatsoever, no combo breakers, no range, no projectile, slowest run speed in the game, and he's a giant character so easy combo food.
Not a fighting game
@@MTGNoobma Is a fighting game
@@MTGNoobma shut up
@@MTGNoobma what is the stigma against smash and it “not being a fighting game”
@@zantetsuken-zero fighting games are games in which the characters are facing each other and every fighting game has dash, backdash, and crouch as basic options that are important because every fighting game has high low mix. In Melee wave dash back and crouching are only used because they have glitches unique to melee that have nothing to do with high low mix, moving relative to the opponent etc. I’ve played more melee than any fighting game but it’s simply not a fighting game. If you look at the games jmcrofts plays then smash, you should be able to see smash isn’t part of the club there’s no combo meter no combo mechanics etc.
"Worst fighting game character of all time"
F-Nero Arc: Hold my cigarette.
_F-Neco Arc•Chaos._
@@Ka49999s lol
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I love when a character gets their own trash tier all to themself.
I like it when the bottom tier shares some common feature, not inherently linked to performance.
Smash Bros often having a "Triforce Tier", where Link, Ganondorf, and Zelda all hang out, for being atrocious in their own, unique ways, for example.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 In what universe have those three been in the same tier. In Gannon and Zelda were added in Melee, but in that game Zelda was bottom tier while Gannon was mid-tier because he ripped off the moveset of Caption Falcon, who was a Top Tier. In Brawl, Gannon was the single worst character in the game, the worst character in the franchise, and maybe the worst character in all of platform fighters, and maybe, just maybe, The Worst Fighting Game character OF ALL TIME!! In Smash 4, link was a mid tier, Zelda was bottom tier, and so was Gannon. Now in Ultimate, Gannon is in contention for the worst character in the game, Link is in A-B tier depending on who you ask, and Zelda is in C tier. Some of my information could be wrong, but I know for a fact the were never all in contention for the worst character in the game in any game they were all in. This wasn’t meant as an attack, though I definitely could see it being taken that way, just me asking a question as to what you were talking about, because I always love expanding my knowledge on different subjects, and especially my favorite franchise, Smash.
@@litessbu Back then during early Brawl days [AKA 2010], Link, Zelda and Ganon were all in G tier. I'm not kidding, there's a G tier.
Also, with you saying Ganon was the worst in Brawl, Ivysaur is also a good pick for the worst.
"I've seen better competition from Roll!" - Doctor Doom from Maximilian_dood's Assist Me
Roll was the first character I ever picked in Marvel vs Capcom game. I remember thinking it was so cool to have her in the game!
I did not win that game.
i mean if you're playing the 7 points system she might be viable because shes worth 0, so you can have her with 2 beefy bois and make a pretty decent team
I absolutely love seeing people do work with low tier characters, and generally unpopular picks. I main Cyber Sub in MKX, and I always find myself giddy when people select him. Ferra/Torr being considered the worst in that game as well. It always has me excited to see the love for a character that just doesn’t get enough.
ferra/torr ruthless is so fun! u can get like 70% damage combos with them lol.
@@Meansoduck it just goes to show how even the lowest tier character in MKX could do BIG work if they got the momentum. I love Ferra/Torr. They were one of my favorite new characters. Just like Kollector in MK11.
@@Meansoduck who are you?
I played Lackey Ferra/Torr in MKX
Not very often, and I didn't win all that much compared to my other actual mains. But Ferra/Torr grew on me as literally no one else played them
@@MiniBlackWaltz It isn’t the wins that matter casually. It’s about the fun. But if you’re snagging wins with a character you aren’t as good with as others, that’s a whole other victory in its own right. It’s nice finding a niche in a fighter.
I feel like the only reason they made her sprite the way it is, is so they can get away with more than half her frames being panty shots lol
Her sprite looks so off, she looks like she was modded into the game like Mugen
I just want to say: I think that Marvel vs. Capcom caught my attention because of the visual differences of their characters. It breaks the barriers of the unthinkable, just as Smash Bros. hasn't done. I think the first time I played I did it because Rockman attracted me. and after meeting Roll, I became obsessed.
This is insane to watch honestly. I feel like jmcrofts is very good at this game for the amount of time he spares with Justin Wong and Justin was still able to to make Roll work. That's just impressive if you ask me. I don't think this shows how bad jmcrofts is (I don't think he's bad mind you), but how good Justin Wong is
The first time i lose to roll is not by her attacks but by her kawaii theme song and i was charmed to my death.
Her sprite looks like a mod that I would've made or something. She's gotta be the joke character or something
It’s been so long since I played this game that I didn’t even know roll was a playable character.
That being said I believe roll was probably supposed to be a handycap character who’s main purpose was to help pros hold back in casual matches without forcing them to hold back.
Love the classic/varied FG content. You make stuff that fills a niche that most fgc creators just aren't, so props to you
Watching Juggs clean house was just so satisfying after that Roll streak 17:44
I think the MvC tag system means that a character gets assists to flesh them out, but like ... you could just play any other of the characters that you aren't using an assist for and probably do better.
Having played... way more Roll than I care to admit, I definitely think there are far worse characters in fighting games. She's definitely terrible, but not irredeemably so like some characters I've seen. I admit it... I enjoy using her and probably always will. I definitely think she was better in MvC1, but that's a different story.
It's a complicated issue, as you said. One of the main complications is that this isn't a 1v1 fighting game, it's a 3v3 one, so you're not typically talking about a single character in a vacuum.
She's bad, but there's still SOME stuff you can do with her in the right teams; as opposed to someone like Third Strike's Twelve, who is bad all on its own with nothing to save it.
Interestingly, I'm thinking that if Justin's ratio system catches on, we might see an uptick in Roll usage for certain teams, which would be an exciting change.
No one likes Roll.
It's hard to have a completely unviable character in a team game since you can just put them in a top tier shell and have them do decent work tbh, they can't be bad in the way someone in a badly balanced 1v1 game is bc you can always rely on your top tier shell to pull out the win, and even if she's actively making your team worse, it's still a team that can win.
At least in MvC1 you get to hear her music. The music in MvC2 is just bad. :/
@@krunkcleanup2949 Man, what
@@Lavender_FGC It's a matter of opinion. I do kinda see where Krunk is coming from, though. People that got used to the energetic, character-driven themes in the other games of the series might be driven off by the more abstract and somewhat meandering jazz tunes of MvC2.
No right or wrong answers; just different tastes.
The only time I ever played this game was at a friend's house and one of the only 2 people who knew how to play the game was bodying everyone else with roll with a shit eating grin on his face. Now I know why.
Hey just found your videos I wanted to say as an editor I really appreciated the fade into the rounds I’m kinda used to hard cuts on TH-cam it was nice.
The reason why Roll is considered one of the weakest is because when you pit a top tier Roll player to a top tier Player of any character, having Roll in the party will always have the notion that the Roll user has a handicap. For example, I used to play Rock and Roll for the heck of it during my Marvel vs Capcom days against other players because I know I can beat them using those characters but once the other party brings in the Big Guys, that's where I'm forced to really go all out. It's basically up to the player if he/she can make Roll shine or not, but when against top tier players as well, then your're asking to be bullied.
She isn't the weakest! Take that back! She's strong and very brilliant, the reason why it's because it was all just lies! And this guy is lying about her! And lying is wrong anyways.
I just want to point out that he decided to compare Roll's DEF stat to Sentinel, which is a bit unfair since Sentinel is bulky. Would of made more sense if compared it to someone like, Ken, Ruby Heart or even Morrigan.
As a Roll and Servbot main I live in constant agony
one could argue servbot because he can still get projectiled out, but dan at least has some things. plus his raging demon can be silly
Well now I feel like I need to make a team of Roll, Servbot, and Dan.
I love hearing about MvC2's low tiers. It's so interesting. Keep it coming man, it's great!
Me as a roll main: Sign can’t stop me because I can’t read
I love checking the channel and seeing you play classic and obscure Capcom games
Love the input display on screen! Haven't played MvC in forever so it's cool to see combos on the input display and see how much I remember
You can literally see our boy's pain in his eyes and hear it in his laugh. He was devastated
Melee Bowser, Neco arc chaos, and Twelve are the only other comparable bottom tier characters I can think of from games that are still being played.
It's not really being played, but P. Jack from Tag 1 is so bad for a character in a legit fighting game.
Keep the videos coming, dude! I'm enjoying them.
The image of the Incredible Hulk getting pushed to a corner by a tiny girl and a sorta T-Posing Dr. Doom is just so hilarious to me
Not much of a fighting game enthusiast, but it was a big part of my childhood. Glad the community is devoted and continues to support each other to keep the genre going.
Keep the retro stuff comin'!!! It's timeless!
it'd be cool to see a blackheart video. he's a high-tier i get no info on, like dhalsim
I don't really do the competitive tier list thing, but I just wish that Roll's character sprite was at least on par with SF2 sprites.
I didn't even know Roll was in this game.
Content like this is breathing life into this game. Keep it up JM!
I don't play any fighting games but I can watch you or Justin play MvC for hours
My poor, poor Roll; Capcom disavowed you so thoroughly in the MvC's. Heck, even when she wins, she sometimes loses ( thanks, _Rock_ >:/ ). It does my heart good to see her get some good plays in, though. ;-;
...Goodness knows _I_ was never going to be adept enough at playing her to make that happen. But you better believe she's on the team, no matter what~
Even within this game, she looks like a Mugen character.
Holy shit I have never played or watched anything about this game and seeing that fireball coming out of that little tiny girl just made me die laughing
Love this characters breakdowns! Keep it up!
Her sprites look like she came straight out of Mugen lol
The fbi baiting panty shot definitely adds to that effect
I always loved playing Mega Man and Roll in the arcade despite her clearly being terrible
Playing bad characters in video games are fun tbh
Twelve: Finally! A worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
These videos are so awesome, keep ‘em coming
No one likes Roll dude.
@@philithegamer8265 this is true, however I do enjoy character breakdowns with gameplay examples right after
@@philithegamer8265 This comment has nothing to do with Roll lmfao
So what you're telling me is: you got rocked by Roll.
So glad I'm not the only one still paying this game. Been playing it since I bought it new. I'd love to go against Justin! All the "gamers" in my area get shut down about 15 secs in and are just overwhelmed against me. I'm just looking for a good fight. Very little competition around here for this game. I just can't play it enough.
Playing this at the arcade and beating other people using Roll was my favorite thing, they wouldn't even bother with a rematch :)
Roll is so bad because she can't even roll
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MvC2 is one of my all time favs,keep up the great work.liked and subbed😊
No one likes Roll.
LOL th-cam.com/video/41b-ZL5vSmc/w-d-xo.html
I used to main her when I was a kid. Memories. I miss playing this game.
Just posting a comment to support the channel. Great stuff 🙌🏼
The difference in skill level between these two is tremendous
To be fair she is a support character I don't know why shes in a fighting game in the first place lol
I'd combine Roll with Iron man and War machine (Projectile types of course). the triple super is ALWAYS a plus!
Good call to action! I legit almost forgot to like. The roll breakdown alone would've gotten a like from me if you ended there, but I didn't look back at the screen once I heard you were going to follow up with gameplay
No one likes Roll though.
She may be adorable, but cuteness doesn't get you very far on it's own and she don't make the cut XD.
Her spritework looks like it belongs in a completely different game lol.
To be fair there's a lot of characters in this game like that.
@@nonzerovolta2541 Bonne and Megaman both look fine. Roll looks barely better than 8bit.
@@greatheightsu Megaman still looks a bit out of place, but not as bad as Roll, and Tron Bonne looks fine. To be honest, they just reused a lot of the sprites from other games for MvC2. Morrigan arguably looks even worse than Roll.
Love the retro videos! Don’t stop!
Watch you and Justin Wong all the time didn't realize I wasn't subbed 😤😤 got you now bro
I think Brawl Ganon might edge her out for worst fighting game character of all time
P. Jack from tekken tag tournament 1 might be worst than him
Why does she also look terrible? She looks like she's not supposed to be in the game
When you’re a worse character than _Dan_ you might have to reconsider why you’re in the game in the first place
Love this series man, keep it up!
You know its a bad character when the strategy to win is through assists from other characters 😂
Well to be fair, she's small enough to be completely surrounded by the assists. Not everyone has that luxury.
Funny how she is so good in TvC
I wanna play tvc one day
as for mvc2 roll is one of my favorites
Love the content. And love watching JM getting walloped.
Love your content jm you're the best 😁
yesssssssssssss gimme that roll domination
can you do Sakura next? she's my favorite sf character? and I'll like to see your overview
People say Sakura is thier favorite SF character? Lame
@@philithegamer8265 no u
@@philithegamer8265 Damn and it’s not only just Roll that you shit on, you’ll reply to literally any comment who says that they like [x character] that you don’t.
Not sure if anyone's asked, but what's the plug-in used for the fightstick inputs? I've used one for controllers, but haven't seen one for fightsticks before!
hey just wanted to let you know I really enjoy these videos and all your videos are super helpful for me when it comes to learning some retro fighting games recently ive gotten super into CVS2 and I actually got my friend to give it a try anywho muchlove
I just want to know why she looks like she was made in MS paint while everyone is pixel art