This shoe uses the original 4D midsole tech which does not have very advanced forward spring technology. The more modern Midsole with what adidas call the 'Bowtie Pattern" can be found on the 4DFWD are a massive generational leap in comfort. I've owned both styles and the newer tech is simply superior in every way. Great Video!
The lattice structure and the material used in the 4DFWD is so cool how it launches you forward! I just got some XPLR Boost and for a big guy like me they are so comfortable.
@@Hanitcal69 Chinese proverb. "Our kids work in sweatshops making shoes to sell while American kids steal them and work on their gender identification." Got it.
I had some 4d shoes, they are pretty cool and are also pretty comfy in a firm kind of way. The only problem is (like you said) the holes get stuff stuck in them super easy, including a worm which I saw coming out of them once!
I have been through two pairs of 4D running shoes and am about to buy a third. I prefer them, firstly, because the midsole is super durable compared to Ultraboost, so I don't have to coddle them on runs. The second thing is the FWD midsole is less about vertical rebound and much more about 'forward efficiency.' It's not as springy, but I find over a long run I become less fatigued with the help of the forward propulsion. And the targeted densities. Third is, because I give these a light clean regularly, they stay much fresher than the white foam midsoles of other shoes. Foam midsoles stain really badly over time, so running warm, soapy water through these once a week makes them fresh for the life of the shoe. And suprisingly great underfoot ventilation.
The idea of going to an Adidas store and getting a custom sole that fits me is very, very exciting. I hope that's something we see in this lifetime. If nothing else, it'll put some pressure on Dr. Scholls.
There's a fitness store my partner goes to in Prague which has a machine to measure her foot, how she runs, and puts weight on different areas of her foot, and makes a custom insole based on the measurements...
Came for the shoe, stayed for the cat. Quick thing on 3D printing: stereolithography (SLA) printing has actually been around for decades, and you can buy a SLA (or MSLA) printer for really cheap. Carbon printers have some extra magic but even the cheap Elegoo printers work great for the home hobbyist. Edit: I mentioned this in another thread but I’ll add it here: watching a physical thing get pulled out of a vat of goo using nothing more than light is like magic. It’s been around a long time but it’s still absolutely amazing.
Word. I remember seeing stereolithography footage on science & engineering programs like NOVA when i was a kid; at least the early-90's, maybe earlier. Was *very* sci-fi at the time, seeing a skull or whatever emerge from the goo.
For a while, before common man got a hang of it, the cheaper units were locked behind patents. At first, they weren't even on the markets, simply locked away. In theory, we could've had 3D printers back in the 80's, sure, not for Average Joe, but none of the tech that was required to get one running is new. And at that, back in the early 90's a few CNC mills were converted to use extruders to make precise casting blanks for machining plastic bits. Funny how that works, huh, old scrooges plopping their feathery arses on tech and locking it away for no good reason.
@@aserta with FDM printing, Stratasys got the key patents and built their business around them-they didn’t just sit on them. But I agree the 26 year duration of patents is waaaaay too long, and the giant wave of innovation that began in the 2010’s was because the Stratasys patents expired. Open-source companies like Prusa Research have pushed FDM technology ahead far more than Stratasys ever did. Patents should be good for 3-5 years, tops.
as an FYI, Carbon is not SLA technology, it is DLP. The processes are different and comparing an Elegoo or hobbyist printers to a Carbon machine is such a bad comparison you really shouldn't even compare them.
@@Fishbone8891 Carbon’s magic isn’t DLP; you can get DLP in hobby-grade printers these days. It doesn’t really matter if the UV light comes from a laser (SLA) a masked UV source (MSLA), the magic in Carbon printers is their management of oxygen. It allows them to move the curing away from the UV source so that the printer doesn’t do the raise/lower cycles after each layer. A traditional SLA/MSLA printer spends most of its time un-sticking the part from the UV source whereas a Carbon printer can just pull continuously-it’s much, much faster.
Being a die-hard boost head Ultraboost was something I wore exclusively. They are confortable, stylish, and versatile. However as I get older I find, to my dismay, the amazing softness of the midsole is giving me foot fatigue on the top of my arches and also the big toes area. 4D midsoles alleviates all of that. They have a firm give when you first step into a new pair, but it also provides a sensation of "embracing" your foot. They provide all day comfort and support without feeling mush-y. And trust me, they get more comfortable as you wear them in. So far I have had zero problem with materials being stuck in the midsoles in all my 4D sneakers. The price is really stiff yes, but they are definitely worth it when they go on sale.
@@placeholder3863 No that's not the case at all. It's about finding the right cushion setup for your age, and for the right occasions. I wore boost predominantly for the longest time, and they were the bee's knees. But as I'm over 40 now I need something firmer if I were to be on my feet all day. Plush cushioning is still great when I go for a walk or a jog.
just saying here, I got the micro adjust belt and it's great honestly. really nice leather and measured to fit is right on. he didn't pay me, but im glad i got it. if you haven't had high quality leather before, it's very cool!
Adam Savage has a video on his Tested channel where he visits one of Carbon's labs and talks to some of the engineers about their tech and other fun stuff. Definitely worth a look!
Great video!! As a sneakerhead and someone who own the Adidas 4DFWD, I can say it is worth every penny. This specific model has Adidas’s and Carbon’s newer 4D midsole tech which has a different structure than the first 4D midsoles from Adidas, which I believe is also used in those 4D Fusio. Basically, the newer 4D tech is more springy (making it more suitable for their running shoes, hence why its in the 4D FWD), and is actually more comfortable than the original version. I love my pair of 4D FWD. Yes, things do get stuck inside the midsole, so you don’t wanna put it through dirt or mud. It is very much a city walking/running shoe. But, it’s a small price to pay for tech that’s really pushing the boundaries, and a still comfortable shoe.
My job is to design and 3D print dentures in a dental lab, and Carbon is a big name in that space! I work with Asiga printers because you can actually buy them, whereas Carbon printers are only available for lease. That's right, you pay by the month or by time spent in operation, no option to buy outright. The technology is amazing, however the promotional material shows product rising out of the resin pool smoothly. But in truth, there is an "up and down" motion repeated thousands of times (one for each layer printed). Carbon has the speed print down, but depending on the type of resin used and the thickness of the printed layer, prints can take 8-10 hours or more.
I hope this takes place soon, because there's an obsession for soles tech but the upper part of the shoes are becoming like clowns' shoes (narrow and pointing upwards).
Thank you very much for the analysis. I have a small note that will help you analyze your shoes in more detail after the cut. You need to make cooling for the cutting machine. This is necessary because during cutting the temperature of the cutting blade increases and it thermally deforms the cut sites for materials made from materials with a low melting point. Thank you !
I remember when Adidas launched this product in 2015. Their was hype they would have these 3d prints in store to custom make shoes within 5 years. I don’t think they will not make custom shoes any time soon.
@@Winford.Studios Vivo is currently a trial run and they need to accept you as “pioneer”. While Pangaia’s has better “availability” but their are still two issue. The whole sneaker is 3d printed which I would imagine affect comfort and the quoted availabilily for shipping time is anywhere from late October to mid January.
This particular Toaster is awesomely cool! 😻 As for the 4D Fusio, its open-lattice-structure midsole will eventually collect dirt, pebbles/sand, dry grass, etc. which would be impossible to clean out.
I have this exact shoe; this colorway as well as 3 others. I originally purchased to wear to the gym, but they're so comfortable and aesthetically pleasing, I reach for them for travel shoes and walk-arounds. Best of all, I got all 4 pairs at an average of $75 when the msrp was $200.
5:10 You do *not* end up with a stronger, better product than with extrusion printing. Hoffman Tactical has done extensive testing on 3d printed materials and liquid resin printed materials are consistently less durable than extruded materials. The only benefits are layer adhesion and smoother finish. The materials themselves are less durable by a large margin, and they are much more expensive to produce.
I think the newesr is 4DFwd2. I always wanted to try these 3d printed midsole and i just got myself for 100usd. This video came in clutch before i get mine tomorrow
Thanks for doing the vid! Great to see your take on them. I'm a big 4D fan and own several pairs. This original 4D sole is a lot firmer than the new generation 4DFWD and it's "squish" factor is totally different league. As an experiment, I actually soaked a brand new pair of 4DFWDs in boiling water for a few hours and it totally changed the softness of the 4DFWD structure. I use it for casual walking and it is by far the best in comfort for all day, everyday wear!
Have had several pairs, best so far is the ultra4fwd's-a lot more 'bounce' than the original 4D's, and the upper on the ultras is much more comfortable. 4D is nowhere as squishy underfoot as ultraboost, and feels heaver underfoot. More of a lifestyle shoe, I go with Hoka's for a run.
I don’t understand this fascination with squishy athletic shoes. It’s backwards thinking. The squishier the shoe, the lazier the muscles in the feet become. Also, injury becomes more concerning due to the instability of squishy. Yet all TH-cam athletic footwear reviews measure the validity of a shoe mostly based on how squishy it is. 🙄
I don't think your performance tests are really able to capture the performance characteristics of this shoe. As you can see in the footage from Adam Savage that you linked, this structure rebounds at a particular angle, not evenly in all directions like a foam. The ball and bar drop tests can work to test rebound of foam, but if this material rebounds at an angle, you're only going to get a reduced percentage of rebound in a test where the impact is coming perpendicular to the material. I'm not sure how you could really adjust this sort of garage-science test to test for the angular rebound these lattices are meant to maximize, but I'd be really interested to see how they compare to foams for rebound in the angles that matter when worn.
I wonder if they will eventually be able to print them to fix posture. Like gradually changing the shape like invisaline braces to slowly fix a incorrect joint or something. Maybe even correct bunions over time.
i have s few pairs of the OG 4d -- and a pair of the 4DFWD. RE: 4D - if you're looking for springy bounce, look elsewhere. But if you want firm, supportive, all-day comfort, they're amazing. RE: 4DFWD - The FWD stands for 'Forward" -- and there's a propulsive springiness you can feel - especially if you've spent time in the regular 4D. It's 100% true that dirt and dust get trapped in the midsole. You could probably soak them in a shallow pan, but I've never tried it. All in all, it's great tech - and I think we'll see a lot more... as soon as someone can scale it.
Oh wow, my request actually gained enough traction to warrant a video, super happy to see this. As for the structure being all the way through, that one could have easily been figured out by a quick glance through the midsole, as light does leak through. And for their performance, it's hard to describe, I believe numbers alone don't do them justice. For me it's not just about responsiveness but consistency and durability. And they REALLY stand the test of time. I don't know about Ultraboost, but I do know Cloudfoam compresses after some time, and does not feel as bouncy as when you first get it. With Fusio I don't feel like that ever becomes a problem.
I think the truly exciting aspect of any 3d printing tech is home production. Going to the store to have someone else do it is the antithesis of the 3d printing movement.
If you own copyrights or patents that i can download the file of and print at home, it becomes difficult for you as the patent holder or copyright owner to stop me. I dont need to buy anything from you. (won't Lego have a huge problem?) @@phukyerpheefees
You can't judge a shoe by the amount of bounce in the midsole. Many runners don't like too much bounce and prefer a flatter response (eg. Asics gel) or very little cushioning at all if they are light and fast runners. Other factors like the shape of the outsole and how the heel flairs out can all affect the amount of support and how the shoe cushions you simply because your natural shock absorbing mechanism, pronation, is enhanced or reduced. So the whole package needs to be assessed and the individual it is aimed at (overpronator, neutral, under pronator, heavy, light, fast runner, slow runner, short distance, long distance etc.) It is why there are so many types and models of running shoes in a manufacturer's inventory. What this technology might eventually do, if they can solve supply chain issues getting it from Asia quickly, is offer an easy way to tailor the amount of cushioning and support and eventually it might be possible to go into a shop, get a scan and/or specify the amount of midsole cushioning and support and have a customised shoe shipped out to you .
@@cacogenicist Yes, a supinator and under pronator are used interchangeably though there can be subtle differences. It is when your feet or foot doesn't roll inward far enough when your foot lands. Sometimes your foot can roll to the outside of your toes slightly when you take off again. It tends to affect rigid, immobile feet more than mobile flat feet.
From a boost freak with over 6 boost pairs, the 4d is great. It is different, but it’s better than zoom and honestly a better everyday pair than most boost, and super durable. They look the same as the first day
I bought their previous 3D printed shoes; they are alrite and have been holding up fine. Good quality. Firmer than I expected, but fine. The heal was a bit wedged up, I guess to show off the 3D printed matrix more, and I'm not sure I care for that. Price needs to come down, as I'd probably prefer to wear some of their high end foam shoes instead still, but these do have a more modern look.
My wife is an avid runner and she started having knee problems with these shoes. Bought a pair of Hoka and she’s doing well now. Not saying hoka is better than any other shoe, just saying she stopped having bad aches and pains.
When I worked at the General Motors Engineering plant in Warren, Ohio in the early mid eighties they used three D printing for the first time ever to make the prototype electrical connectors for their car wiring harnesses before making a mold to produce the connectors. It took an entire day to make one connector.
4D Fusio is a great pair indoor workout shoe, best I have ever had. With bouncy midsole often you're sacrificing the ankle stability, and 4D Fusio hits the right balance for me. I have gotten the other pair of 220$ Adidas 4D shoes, which is a bit bouncier -- imo less great for training purpose. I sound like a blindsided advocate, but I really love my 4D Fusio
I agree, 3d printing the midsole is kinda neat, but without the customization it doesn't seem like it is really making the best use of the technology. I absolutely see a potential future, really could be done now at least to some extent, where you have a shoe store with just some samples and the equipment like treadmill for mocap, pressure plate and 3d scanner to measure various aspects of your feet and how you walk and run, then you pick an upper, customize that, and like 30-60 minutes later after all of that is fed into a computer, you have what should be the perfect shoe for you, at least as far as support and comfort are concerned.
I don't understand why you only see bouncy as better. I think it's a good test that gives informative data, but I think thinking one side of the result is better than the other necessarily. For me personally, I would prioritize impact protection over springy responsiveness. Some people prioritize my health, safety, and comfort over a track time.
I got 4D because it was 50% off last Christmas season and it is definitely not worth the regular price of $200+. It is very firm and heavy. The lightweight primeknit upper with a heavy midsole felt weird while walking or jogging.
100% agree! but it's not just some of the Adidas models. Other brands like Nike, Puma, Asics, and even some brooks will combine these super lightweight uppers with a "heavier" midsole. Now the midsoles usually aren't actually "heavy" they just feel it when compared to the upper. I'd rather have a shoe that is slightly heavier but provides a more balanced feel on my foot.
You should check out Zellerfeld 3D printed shoes. You scan your foot and choose a design. They print it and send it to you. You could actually cut it in half and then send it back to be recycled into a different shoe
it was awesome concept, when you can run in the store on special treadmill and purchase shoes made specially for your feet, with required support and cushioning for you, but something gone wrong and we have one midsole for all, and it even not so comfy/sringy as foams
Making 3D printed shoes on demand is going to require an expert in footwear manufacturing and 3D printing in-store at all times. I can see maybe a few rare specialty stores that can do this but these shoes would be incredibly expensive. Resin 3D printing is also ultra-toxic, putting a resin machine in a consumer store probably wouldn’t meet safety guidelines.
I would really like to see a safety toe September or SafeTOEber where the sizes of the toe boxes/roominess is compared. I’m sure a lot of them use the same steel toes but maybe not. Would like to see weight comparisons of steel vs composite and possibly a heat transfer test to see which is better in different conditions. Keen carbon fiber toe and thorogood emporer toes would be cool to see opened up too.
Love how every time he says "far from scientific" when these are the most scientific tests I've seen regarding sneakers without auditing R & D for every major sneaker brand
I like how he was explaining resin 3d printing like it isnt samething that you can do in your garage for less than a thousand bucks 😅 Just in case: I am not saying that you can make this kind of thing with a normal resin 3d printer, but just that he was just describing basic resin 3d printing like it was something out of this world
But it IS out of this world. I’m an engineer and I’ve had SLA printers in my garage for years and I understand the physics of what’s going on. But still…pulling a physical thing out of a vat of goo using nothing more than light is absolute magic.
In future the midsole could extremely easily be printed to have a solid outer wall that fades into a lattice interior to prevent debris incursion. I think they just did it this way to show off the midsole
This would make a whole lot more sense of the shoes were bespoke to the feet of each customer. Additive manufacturing makes it pisdible for the fraction of the cost of traditionally customized shoes.
You should cover the Prime X Strung 2. The upper on that shoe is really unique cause it’s all fused strands and I think you could have some interesting thoughts on it. Also the stack on those shoes is super high they feel like stilts to me lol
Ive been saying this so long it seems he won’t do it. Someone should do it I would sub so fast. Just got some high tops from Axel Arigato made in portugal out of calfskin I love them.
Hi super cool videos :) two comments 1- historically DLS is the standard 3D printing is super old 🤯 not as FDM 2- as you said in your intro, the 3D network is designed to push the foot forward, did you try to test your rebound tests with an angle ? Like 30° this way you while be in the optimal direction for full rebound. It's so cool to see how the videos evolved time :) take care. Last question, I'm a great fan of Alexander McQueen sneakers. By any chance, could you make a review one day ? I want to know if it's real leather or coated one.
this is the result of the hype around 3D printing a few years ago. eventually i think you’re right; parts of shoes will be printed in or near the location you buy them. But i think that will come fr either a niche space or a smaller company first. These mega companies already have the supply chain in place, there’s no need to disrupt themselves…but a new player in the game who wants to be the Build-a-bear for shoes?! hell yes
I imagine that this tech won't be utilized so much in footwear, but in other areas. I think all mattresses will eventually be made out of this material. Because if it has the same level of comfort as foam, but doesn't sink in, and always springs right back, it would be like having the comfort of a memory foam mattress, with the structuralism of an innerspring mattress. But unlike an innerspring, it won't crush over time (maybe?), and it will be much more lightweight. I think the weight alone will be the selling point. Because both foam and innerspring mattresses are quite heavy and cumbersome to get a mattress cover on them. And it's a chore I absolutely hate, when I have to change the mattress protector. With this, it would be so much easier.
Could you please cut in half a pair of Zellerfelds they're also a 3D printing company but the diffrence between their footwear is that they are 100% made in a 3D printer and (supposedly) made out recylebale materials i would have been very intrested to see your dissection and review of it Btw loving your videos ;)
Got a pair 6 months ago and for a full day on my feet i prefer these over my Ultraboost 21’s and Nike pegasus 39’s. Maybe it’s the firmness which is good for hours of weight on your feet. One thing I don’t like about them is the fit. Tts they are looong and loose, but half size down and the arch length is short 😅 so i constantly have to readjust my laces. The heel material also cuts into your skin. The shape is just weird, heavy too. But I can’t seem to understand why im drawn to them!
I’d say most adidas 4d shoes are meant for indoor training, you could obviously use them on pavement but things can still get stuck in them. So it’s much smarter to just use them indoor so you don’t have a headache trying to get things out of them so often. I also feel like adidas could wrap a whole dressing or something around the 3d to keep things out without migrating performance, but apart of the shoe is the look of the 3D printed sole but I’m sure they could do something similar to the Yeezy
So they use a resin printer to make them. We've been using those for years, primarily for miniatures. Given the issues that we face with them, I don't know that this stuff is really going to take off.
This shoe uses the original 4D midsole tech which does not have very advanced forward spring technology. The more modern Midsole with what adidas call the 'Bowtie Pattern" can be found on the 4DFWD are a massive generational leap in comfort. I've owned both styles and the newer tech is simply superior in every way. Great Video!
Thank you for the information! I hope Rose Anvil does a video about that one!
The lattice structure and the material used in the 4DFWD is so cool how it launches you forward! I just got some XPLR Boost and for a big guy like me they are so comfortable.
It seems to me that he bought the ones on sale. Those Fusio are around 70 bucks now
Agreed but ultra 4wd is super narrow
I actually think the 4DFWD is more squishy anyway
Here's a sales pitch for Adidas: "Our shoes are not as crappy as Nike's"
Eh. Nike makes three good shoe models for every good adidas.
Nike's marketing team is so good they'd just get Drake to drop an Adidas diss track
@@ThePartarar They really don't and their quality control sucks. This is coming from someone who thinks the AJ1 High/Low is the best silhouette.
“But still made by children in sweatshops”
@@Hanitcal69 Chinese proverb. "Our kids work in sweatshops making shoes to sell while American kids steal them and work on their gender identification." Got it.
I had some 4d shoes, they are pretty cool and are also pretty comfy in a firm kind of way. The only problem is (like you said) the holes get stuff stuck in them super easy, including a worm which I saw coming out of them once!
I hear you on the firmness, but I haven't had any issues with the holes yet. I don't take them into the dirt or mud though; just to the gym or store.
I bet that worm had an interesting time
I have been through two pairs of 4D running shoes and am about to buy a third. I prefer them, firstly, because the midsole is super durable compared to Ultraboost, so I don't have to coddle them on runs.
The second thing is the FWD midsole is less about vertical rebound and much more about 'forward efficiency.' It's not as springy, but I find over a long run I become less fatigued with the help of the forward propulsion. And the targeted densities.
Third is, because I give these a light clean regularly, they stay much fresher than the white foam midsoles of other shoes. Foam midsoles stain really badly over time, so running warm, soapy water through these once a week makes them fresh for the life of the shoe.
And suprisingly great underfoot ventilation.
The idea of going to an Adidas store and getting a custom sole that fits me is very, very exciting. I hope that's something we see in this lifetime. If nothing else, it'll put some pressure on Dr. Scholls.
head office of Adidas: ‘we need to crush this doctor putting stuff in outlet shoes’
There's a fitness store my partner goes to in Prague which has a machine to measure her foot, how she runs, and puts weight on different areas of her foot, and makes a custom insole based on the measurements...
Came for the shoe, stayed for the cat. Quick thing on 3D printing: stereolithography (SLA) printing has actually been around for decades, and you can buy a SLA (or MSLA) printer for really cheap. Carbon printers have some extra magic but even the cheap Elegoo printers work great for the home hobbyist.
Edit: I mentioned this in another thread but I’ll add it here: watching a physical thing get pulled out of a vat of goo using nothing more than light is like magic. It’s been around a long time but it’s still absolutely amazing.
Word. I remember seeing stereolithography footage on science & engineering programs like NOVA when i was a kid; at least the early-90's, maybe earlier. Was *very* sci-fi at the time, seeing a skull or whatever emerge from the goo.
For a while, before common man got a hang of it, the cheaper units were locked behind patents. At first, they weren't even on the markets, simply locked away. In theory, we could've had 3D printers back in the 80's, sure, not for Average Joe, but none of the tech that was required to get one running is new. And at that, back in the early 90's a few CNC mills were converted to use extruders to make precise casting blanks for machining plastic bits. Funny how that works, huh, old scrooges plopping their feathery arses on tech and locking it away for no good reason.
@@aserta with FDM printing, Stratasys got the key patents and built their business around them-they didn’t just sit on them. But I agree the 26 year duration of patents is waaaaay too long, and the giant wave of innovation that began in the 2010’s was because the Stratasys patents expired. Open-source companies like Prusa Research have pushed FDM technology ahead far more than Stratasys ever did. Patents should be good for 3-5 years, tops.
as an FYI, Carbon is not SLA technology, it is DLP. The processes are different and comparing an Elegoo or hobbyist printers to a Carbon machine is such a bad comparison you really shouldn't even compare them.
@@Fishbone8891 Carbon’s magic isn’t DLP; you can get DLP in hobby-grade printers these days. It doesn’t really matter if the UV light comes from a laser (SLA) a masked UV source (MSLA), the magic in Carbon printers is their management of oxygen. It allows them to move the curing away from the UV source so that the printer doesn’t do the raise/lower cycles after each layer. A traditional SLA/MSLA printer spends most of its time un-sticking the part from the UV source whereas a Carbon printer can just pull continuously-it’s much, much faster.
Being a die-hard boost head Ultraboost was something I wore exclusively. They are confortable, stylish, and versatile. However as I get older I find, to my dismay, the amazing softness of the midsole is giving me foot fatigue on the top of my arches and also the big toes area. 4D midsoles alleviates all of that. They have a firm give when you first step into a new pair, but it also provides a sensation of "embracing" your foot. They provide all day comfort and support without feeling mush-y. And trust me, they get more comfortable as you wear them in.
So far I have had zero problem with materials being stuck in the midsoles in all my 4D sneakers. The price is really stiff yes, but they are definitely worth it when they go on sale.
Congrats, you've figured out soft shoes ruin your feet
@@placeholder3863 No that's not the case at all. It's about finding the right cushion setup for your age, and for the right occasions. I wore boost predominantly for the longest time, and they were the bee's knees. But as I'm over 40 now I need something firmer if I were to be on my feet all day. Plush cushioning is still great when I go for a walk or a jog.
please do the 4DFWD shoes, its the renovation of the $D line from adidas
Honestly I got these a couple years ago and love them. Comfy and is super light.
just saying here, I got the micro adjust belt and it's great honestly. really nice leather and measured to fit is right on. he didn't pay me, but im glad i got it. if you haven't had high quality leather before, it's very cool!
Adam Savage has a video on his Tested channel where he visits one of Carbon's labs and talks to some of the engineers about their tech and other fun stuff. Definitely worth a look!
Great video!! As a sneakerhead and someone who own the Adidas 4DFWD, I can say it is worth every penny. This specific model has Adidas’s and Carbon’s newer 4D midsole tech which has a different structure than the first 4D midsoles from Adidas, which I believe is also used in those 4D Fusio. Basically, the newer 4D tech is more springy (making it more suitable for their running shoes, hence why its in the 4D FWD), and is actually more comfortable than the original version. I love my pair of 4D FWD.
Yes, things do get stuck inside the midsole, so you don’t wanna put it through dirt or mud. It is very much a city walking/running shoe. But, it’s a small price to pay for tech that’s really pushing the boundaries, and a still comfortable shoe.
My job is to design and 3D print dentures in a dental lab, and Carbon is a big name in that space! I work with Asiga printers because you can actually buy them, whereas Carbon printers are only available for lease. That's right, you pay by the month or by time spent in operation, no option to buy outright. The technology is amazing, however the promotional material shows product rising out of the resin pool smoothly. But in truth, there is an "up and down" motion repeated thousands of times (one for each layer printed). Carbon has the speed print down, but depending on the type of resin used and the thickness of the printed layer, prints can take 8-10 hours or more.
I have a feeling that someday soon we will come full circle with shoe “tech” people will just be back in anatomical shoes made of natural materials
I hope this takes place soon, because there's an obsession for soles tech but the upper part of the shoes are becoming like clowns' shoes (narrow and pointing upwards).
Thank you very much for the analysis.
I have a small note that will help you analyze your shoes in more detail after the cut.
You need to make cooling for the cutting machine. This is necessary because during cutting the temperature of the cutting blade increases and it thermally deforms the cut sites for materials made from materials with a low melting point.
Thank you !
I remember when Adidas launched this product in 2015. Their was hype they would have these 3d prints in store to custom make shoes within 5 years. I don’t think they will not make custom shoes any time soon.
Vivobarefoot and Pangia have already started making custom shoes
@@Winford.Studios that's like saying that custom shoes have been a thing since the invention of shoes
@@Winford.Studios Vivo is currently a trial run and they need to accept you as “pioneer”. While Pangaia’s has better “availability” but their are still two issue. The whole sneaker is 3d printed which I would imagine affect comfort and the quoted availabilily for shipping time is anywhere from late October to mid January.
This particular Toaster is awesomely cool! 😻
As for the 4D Fusio, its open-lattice-structure midsole will eventually collect dirt, pebbles/sand, dry grass, etc. which would be impossible to clean out.
Exactly what I was thinking. As to how that was not though of in foresight, who knows...
The 4d midsole is noce. Got a pair thinking it be a gimmick but i love em
I'm really excited to see a review of the Yeezy 500! Can't wait to hear your thoughts on them!
I have this exact shoe; this colorway as well as 3 others. I originally purchased to wear to the gym, but they're so comfortable and aesthetically pleasing, I reach for them for travel shoes and walk-arounds. Best of all, I got all 4 pairs at an average of $75 when the msrp was $200.
where did you buy them ? Spill some beaaaans man
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You do *not* end up with a stronger, better product than with extrusion printing.
Hoffman Tactical has done extensive testing on 3d printed materials and liquid resin printed materials are consistently less durable than extruded materials.
The only benefits are layer adhesion and smoother finish.
The materials themselves are less durable by a large margin, and they are much more expensive to produce.
I think the newesr is 4DFwd2. I always wanted to try these 3d printed midsole and i just got myself for 100usd. This video came in clutch before i get mine tomorrow
Thanks for doing the vid! Great to see your take on them. I'm a big 4D fan and own several pairs.
This original 4D sole is a lot firmer than the new generation 4DFWD and it's "squish" factor is totally different league. As an experiment, I actually soaked a brand new pair of 4DFWDs in boiling water for a few hours and it totally changed the softness of the 4DFWD structure. I use it for casual walking and it is by far the best in comfort for all day, everyday wear!
Have had several pairs, best so far is the ultra4fwd's-a lot more 'bounce' than the original 4D's, and the upper on the ultras is much more comfortable. 4D is nowhere as squishy underfoot as ultraboost, and feels heaver underfoot. More of a lifestyle shoe, I go with Hoka's for a run.
I don’t understand this fascination with squishy athletic shoes. It’s backwards thinking. The squishier the shoe, the lazier the muscles in the feet become. Also, injury becomes more concerning due to the instability of squishy. Yet all TH-cam athletic footwear reviews measure the validity of a shoe mostly based on how squishy it is. 🙄
The only thing that i really hate about the recent trend is the bulky larger heel. That it goes further of where the heel actually ends
I do not find that aesthetically pleasing either. It's ugly, sort of in the way a Toyota Prius is ugly ... just mal-proportioned.
@@cacogenicist Totally! The rest is actually innovative and cool.
I call the "elephant foot".
I don't think your performance tests are really able to capture the performance characteristics of this shoe. As you can see in the footage from Adam Savage that you linked, this structure rebounds at a particular angle, not evenly in all directions like a foam. The ball and bar drop tests can work to test rebound of foam, but if this material rebounds at an angle, you're only going to get a reduced percentage of rebound in a test where the impact is coming perpendicular to the material. I'm not sure how you could really adjust this sort of garage-science test to test for the angular rebound these lattices are meant to maximize, but I'd be really interested to see how they compare to foams for rebound in the angles that matter when worn.
I wonder if they will eventually be able to print them to fix posture. Like gradually changing the shape like invisaline braces to slowly fix a incorrect joint or something. Maybe even correct bunions over time.
i have s few pairs of the OG 4d -- and a pair of the 4DFWD. RE: 4D - if you're looking for springy bounce, look elsewhere. But if you want firm, supportive, all-day comfort, they're amazing. RE: 4DFWD - The FWD stands for 'Forward" -- and there's a propulsive springiness you can feel - especially if you've spent time in the regular 4D. It's 100% true that dirt and dust get trapped in the midsole. You could probably soak them in a shallow pan, but I've never tried it. All in all, it's great tech - and I think we'll see a lot more... as soon as someone can scale it.
i bought a pair of custom zellerfeld 3d printed shoes and i love them. super wacky style and pretty comfy.
I was literally re-watching Dune and I saw this thumbnail hahaha. Love your videos man!!!
Oh wow, my request actually gained enough traction to warrant a video, super happy to see this.
As for the structure being all the way through, that one could have easily been figured out by a quick glance through the midsole, as light does leak through.
And for their performance, it's hard to describe, I believe numbers alone don't do them justice. For me it's not just about responsiveness but consistency and durability. And they REALLY stand the test of time. I don't know about Ultraboost, but I do know Cloudfoam compresses after some time, and does not feel as bouncy as when you first get it. With Fusio I don't feel like that ever becomes a problem.
I bought a belt last week and it is fantastic. The veg tanned leather is sooo good. Well made Rose Anvil. Thank you.
Best video ever , great job , the way you describe the manufacturing process makes this in my opinion You best video ever.
Your comparisons are hilarious
I think the truly exciting aspect of any 3d printing tech is home production.
Going to the store to have someone else do it is the antithesis of the 3d printing movement.
And home printing is the antithesis of capitalism.
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So purchasing the machinery and materials is the antithesis of capitalism?
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If you own copyrights or patents that i can download the file of and print at home, it becomes difficult for you as the patent holder or copyright owner to stop me. I dont need to buy anything from you. (won't Lego have a huge problem?) @@phukyerpheefees
You can't judge a shoe by the amount of bounce in the midsole. Many runners don't like too much bounce and prefer a flatter response (eg. Asics gel) or very little cushioning at all if they are light and fast runners.
Other factors like the shape of the outsole and how the heel flairs out can all affect the amount of support and how the shoe cushions you simply because your natural shock absorbing mechanism, pronation, is enhanced or reduced.
So the whole package needs to be assessed and the individual it is aimed at (overpronator, neutral, under pronator, heavy, light, fast runner, slow runner, short distance, long distance etc.)
It is why there are so many types and models of running shoes in a manufacturer's inventory.
What this technology might eventually do, if they can solve supply chain issues getting it from Asia quickly, is offer an easy way to tailor the amount of cushioning and support and eventually it might be possible to go into a shop, get a scan and/or specify the amount of midsole cushioning and support and have a customised shoe shipped out to you .
An under-pronator is the same as a supinator, yes?
I supinate the shit out of my soles.
@@cacogenicist Yes, a supinator and under pronator are used interchangeably though there can be subtle differences. It is when your feet or foot doesn't roll inward far enough when your foot lands. Sometimes your foot can roll to the outside of your toes slightly when you take off again. It tends to affect rigid, immobile feet more than mobile flat feet.
From a boost freak with over 6 boost pairs, the 4d is great. It is different, but it’s better than zoom and honestly a better everyday pair than most boost, and super durable. They look the same as the first day
Just got my new wallet. I love it and think the imperfection adds character
Aww, Toaster! 😍 Wait, what was the video about? 👀😁
Welcome back Toaster! 😻
I bought their previous 3D printed shoes; they are alrite and have been holding up fine. Good quality. Firmer than I expected, but fine. The heal was a bit wedged up, I guess to show off the 3D printed matrix more, and I'm not sure I care for that. Price needs to come down, as I'd probably prefer to wear some of their high end foam shoes instead still, but these do have a more modern look.
My wife is an avid runner and she started having knee problems with these shoes. Bought a pair of Hoka and she’s doing well now. Not saying hoka is better than any other shoe, just saying she stopped having bad aches and pains.
i didn't know shoe content would be so interesting.
When I worked at the General Motors Engineering plant in Warren, Ohio in the early mid eighties they used three D printing for the first time ever to make the prototype electrical connectors for their car wiring harnesses before making a mold to produce the connectors. It took an entire day to make one connector.
What I prefer with these, is the hold up over a year, these haven’t worn out at all. They still feel like the first week of wearing them
Always a joy to see Toasty.
4D Fusio is a great pair indoor workout shoe, best I have ever had. With bouncy midsole often you're sacrificing the ankle stability, and 4D Fusio hits the right balance for me. I have gotten the other pair of 220$ Adidas 4D shoes, which is a bit bouncier -- imo less great for training purpose. I sound like a blindsided advocate, but I really love my 4D Fusio
Oh bass guitar addition to soundtrack is so good
2:37 Handsome Toast!!
As an owner of the original Futurecraft 4d that's made in Germany, it's not as comfortable as the UB, but still the dopest shoe to this day.
I agree, 3d printing the midsole is kinda neat, but without the customization it doesn't seem like it is really making the best use of the technology. I absolutely see a potential future, really could be done now at least to some extent, where you have a shoe store with just some samples and the equipment like treadmill for mocap, pressure plate and 3d scanner to measure various aspects of your feet and how you walk and run, then you pick an upper, customize that, and like 30-60 minutes later after all of that is fed into a computer, you have what should be the perfect shoe for you, at least as far as support and comfort are concerned.
Imagine all the gunk accumulating overtime in there xD Prime housing for bacteria and insects 👍🏻
Adidas needs to make a solid outline models asap.
I don't understand why you only see bouncy as better. I think it's a good test that gives informative data, but I think thinking one side of the result is better than the other necessarily. For me personally, I would prioritize impact protection over springy responsiveness. Some people prioritize my health, safety, and comfort over a track time.
i mean if you don’t consider bounce a plus then you can simply ignore that point for your buying justifications
first time viewer, liked the format and the cat.
I got 4D because it was 50% off last Christmas season and it is definitely not worth the regular price of $200+. It is very firm and heavy. The lightweight primeknit upper with a heavy midsole felt weird while walking or jogging.
100% agree! but it's not just some of the Adidas models. Other brands like Nike, Puma, Asics, and even some brooks will combine these super lightweight uppers with a "heavier" midsole. Now the midsoles usually aren't actually "heavy" they just feel it when compared to the upper. I'd rather have a shoe that is slightly heavier but provides a more balanced feel on my foot.
You need to try a Saucony Tempus. Lightweight, bouncy, and supportive.
I have the 4d fwd and ultra boosts. The 4ds are unbelievably more comfortable the ultras. As far a a “bulkier” shoe the best for the price imho
That cat looks so cool! And I agree this new 3D printing method is amazing. I hope these companies use it wisely, I hope.
You should check out Zellerfeld 3D printed shoes. You scan your foot and choose a design. They print it and send it to you. You could actually cut it in half and then send it back to be recycled into a different shoe
That cat is gorgeous.
u have to try the 4DFWD mate, its a way better irritation of the regular 4d, striking perfectly between firmness and squishyness.
Wow, the video editing has gone to a whole nother level lately.
You should check out the Ultra4D FWD or the 4D FWD2. Insane comfort and literally the most comfortable shoes I e ever worn in my life.
it was awesome concept, when you can run in the store on special treadmill and purchase shoes made specially for your feet, with required support and cushioning for you, but something gone wrong and we have one midsole for all, and it even not so comfy/sringy as foams
The colour on these are wild. The Screaming Yellow Zonkers of shoes. (If anyone’s old enough to remember those)
Shout out to toast for finally showing us some love.😻
Making 3D printed shoes on demand is going to require an expert in footwear manufacturing and 3D printing in-store at all times. I can see maybe a few rare specialty stores that can do this but these shoes would be incredibly expensive.
Resin 3D printing is also ultra-toxic, putting a resin machine in a consumer store probably wouldn’t meet safety guidelines.
I would really like to see a safety toe September or SafeTOEber where the sizes of the toe boxes/roominess is compared. I’m sure a lot of them use the same steel toes but maybe not. Would like to see weight comparisons of steel vs composite and possibly a heat transfer test to see which is better in different conditions. Keen carbon fiber toe and thorogood emporer toes would be cool to see opened up too.
man imagine if you could just draw a heat map of the shoe's sole and have it made just like you drew it, that would be sickkkk.
This was fascinating. Thank you.
Love to see the featuring sleepy guest
The shoe you are testing doesn’t got the lattice structure wich propels you forward that would be the 4DFWD
"Like " for the cat 😂...and for you😅
Congratulations from Córdoba, andalusia, Spain
Toaster's so cool
Love how every time he says "far from scientific" when these are the most scientific tests I've seen regarding sneakers without auditing R & D for every major sneaker brand
They did that in nyc way long ago. You go into addias store they scanned your foot then made the 4d printed shoes. It costed like $1000 if i remember
I like how he was explaining resin 3d printing like it isnt samething that you can do in your garage for less than a thousand bucks 😅
Just in case: I am not saying that you can make this kind of thing with a normal resin 3d printer, but just that he was just describing basic resin 3d printing like it was something out of this world
But it IS out of this world. I’m an engineer and I’ve had SLA printers in my garage for years and I understand the physics of what’s going on. But still…pulling a physical thing out of a vat of goo using nothing more than light is absolute magic.
That's because you assume that most people know about this kind of stuff when .. they don't.
@@joshcarter-com Kind of i guess. The technology has been around since the 80s.
@@LaMereACaniche I prominent TH-camr who already did research should know though. Its not that amazing.
This particular shoe reminds me of the Nike Airmax 97
In future the midsole could extremely easily be printed to have a solid outer wall that fades into a lattice interior to prevent debris incursion. I think they just did it this way to show off the midsole
I love that Adam Savage video
This would make a whole lot more sense of the shoes were bespoke to the feet of each customer. Additive manufacturing makes it pisdible for the fraction of the cost of traditionally customized shoes.
That thumbnail is glorious
The purpose of the 4D 3D-printed structure is for forward energy return, not vertical.
Lets not forget that Red Wing does 3d printed insoles directly modeled from a foot scan.
Adorable cat
You should cover the Prime X Strung 2. The upper on that shoe is really unique cause it’s all fused strands and I think you could have some interesting thoughts on it. Also the stack on those shoes is super high they feel like stilts to me lol
Would love to see some true designer sneakers cut up! Show me some sliced Golden Goose, LV, Chanel, Burberry etc :)
Ive been saying this so long it seems he won’t do it. Someone should do it I would sub so fast. Just got some high tops from Axel Arigato made in portugal out of calfskin I love them.
Hi super cool videos :) two comments
1- historically DLS is the standard 3D printing is super old 🤯 not as FDM
2- as you said in your intro, the 3D network is designed to push the foot forward, did you try to test your rebound tests with an angle ? Like 30° this way you while be in the optimal direction for full rebound.
It's so cool to see how the videos evolved time :) take care.
Last question, I'm a great fan of Alexander McQueen sneakers. By any chance, could you make a review one day ? I want to know if it's real leather or coated one.
Got a pair of these from the adidas outlet for 60$ and cut the skirt off right away they look so much better with out it
With Rose Anvil Builds it would be fun to get a hold of some of this Nike material, some Boost Foam and add it to a Boot. And see what happens...
Amazing shoes❤😍
The RedBull Racing hat is top teir.
this is the result of the hype around 3D printing a few years ago. eventually i think you’re right; parts of shoes will be printed in or near the location you buy them. But i think that will come fr either a niche space or a smaller company first. These mega companies already have the supply chain in place, there’s no need to disrupt themselves…but a new player in the game who wants to be the Build-a-bear for shoes?! hell yes
I’d like to quest some videos on loafers. Like weejuns and such. 😊
I imagine that this tech won't be utilized so much in footwear, but in other areas. I think all mattresses will eventually be made out of this material. Because if it has the same level of comfort as foam, but doesn't sink in, and always springs right back, it would be like having the comfort of a memory foam mattress, with the structuralism of an innerspring mattress. But unlike an innerspring, it won't crush over time (maybe?), and it will be much more lightweight. I think the weight alone will be the selling point. Because both foam and innerspring mattresses are quite heavy and cumbersome to get a mattress cover on them. And it's a chore I absolutely hate, when I have to change the mattress protector. With this, it would be so much easier.
Latex is way better.
Could you please cut in half a pair of Zellerfelds they're also a 3D printing company but the diffrence between their footwear is that they are 100% made in a 3D printer and (supposedly) made out recylebale materials i would have been very intrested to see your dissection and review of it
Btw loving your videos ;)
Got a pair 6 months ago and for a full day on my feet i prefer these over my Ultraboost 21’s and Nike pegasus 39’s. Maybe it’s the firmness which is good for hours of weight on your feet.
One thing I don’t like about them is the fit. Tts they are looong and loose, but half size down and the arch length is short 😅 so i constantly have to readjust my laces. The heel material also cuts into your skin. The shape is just weird, heavy too. But I can’t seem to understand why im drawn to them!
I’d say most adidas 4d shoes are meant for indoor training, you could obviously use them on pavement but things can still get stuck in them. So it’s much smarter to just use them indoor so you don’t have a headache trying to get things out of them so often. I also feel like adidas could wrap a whole dressing or something around the 3d to keep things out without migrating performance, but apart of the shoe is the look of the 3D printed sole but I’m sure they could do something similar to the Yeezy
So they use a resin printer to make them.
We've been using those for years, primarily for miniatures. Given the issues that we face with them, I don't know that this stuff is really going to take off.
Future of footwear is customizable for your weight density
Seeing a future where they can make a shoe just for you really isn't a stretch, and as somebody with ridiculous archs sounds great.