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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- Whether a Smash 6, a Smash reboot or a Smash Ultimate Deluxe is on the horizon at all is hard to tell, but a man can dream. My favourite character is K. Rool, after all. I need help.
Here's how I - in the developer's chair, would reboot Smash.
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0:00 - 2:55 Intro
2:55 - 26:53 Characters
26:53 - 31:39 Identity & Theming
31:39 - 32:24 Intermission
32:24 - 44:01 Content
44:01 - 52:07 Mechanics
52:07 - 55:08 Ending & Post-Video - เกม
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And to the people saying veterans should never come back as DLC - guys in the vision for this game there's less focus on newcomers than ever before and there's 9 DLC characters, they can't all be newcomers lol
GIGACHAD
BASED
King you dropped this 👑
Also I've seen people saying Noah + Mio would be a more likely char than just Noah himself and I like that bc as a duo character they're more distinct from Shulk so yeah just imagine I said that :)
I'm sorry I couldn't put Mega Man in...I tried so hard...If I could put in one more character it would be him
Did you really? Because it sounds really unlikely that you got banned just for calling people ugly regardless of who they are. Unless it was Elon musk directly I don't believe that'd get you banned and even then I'd be surprised if just calling someone ugly got you banned.
I thought the lesson learned from smash 4's dlc wave was to not release veterans as dlc. This would sting especially hard because unlike the dlc veterans in brawl, there won't have been a game's worth of absence in between. People will find it incredibly scummy and disappointing.
I was looking for this, I don't really see the benefit
Also it would be better to try and get first party characters in the base roster and not have them be DLC, because we all know how that went with Corrin and Byleth and if their games come out too late or after Smash then they shouldn’t get a free pass if other games don’t. Arms could’ve got Min Min and Xenoblade 2 could’ve got Pythra in the base roster since they were actually out before Ultimate.
@@squallleonhart9387 by that time the process of base character selection was already done, and its difficult if not impossible to change it, as unlike pokemon or fire emblem, new IPs dont usually have any spot reserved for them during development.
Yes. We sgould gave sonic and shadow to. And like robotinik as an dlc
If the characters are completely reworked then I think veteran DLC is fine. Literally every other fighting game rn is doing the same thing
Eh I can't imagine cutting Charizard or Mewtwo, even if that does means having a bunch of Gen 1 Pokémon
Yeah whats wrong with that. Charizard and Pikachu are pokemon. Hell and evee to and maybe even snorlax
I feel that pkmn trainer is such a novel use of transformation game design that it should stay on that basis alone. Plus it’s charizard lol
@@dee7352 Honestly if it were up to me, every Pokemon rep would be a trainer to represent each generation, obviously with 2 pokemon instead of 3 because there is such a thing as too much. Like give us Giovanni with Mewtwo and Persian where both gets a move that summons a rocket grunt. As well as Cynthia with Garchomp and Lucario, plus N with Zoroark and Sigilyph. Then Ethan/Lyra/Kris with Typhlosion and Pikachu because where else are you going to put that rat? Having something like this gives lots of space to represent both the big hot-shots like Lucario, Mewtwo, Greninja (Maybe they could be with Serena/Calem alongside Braixen since Gen 6 has no other interesting characters.), as well as some of the more background "yeah that sure is a creature" pokemon like Persian, Sigilyph, and Mawile (Maybe that could be with Marine and Grimmsnarl, idk.) And it'd be a great way to make sure no generation feels too overrepresented.
Also maybe Gen 3 wouldn't have a trainer for Grovyle instead because Mystery Dungeon
@@crazycap2945 that’s pretty creative! I’d be interested in seeing what that would look like
@@crazycap2945 Ironically, Grovyle as a mystery dungeon rep would technically be a gen 4 rep.
Im ngl, your roster is pretty bad.
Not doubting you, but how so?
Reserving a bunch of legacy characters for DLC (if you’re going to cut them just cut them), keeping none of the whackier characters and not adding any new ones, and cutting any kind of story mode idea so it can be “Brawls thing” when it’s the main thing anyone *really* wants when they say they want a crossover between these characters are all things I disagree with.
Ya… a lot of the ideas presented in the video would be super difficult to market for.
“We cut out x and y characters and in turn made a bunch of tech changes that the average child and parent won’t understand. Oh you can buy x and y again! They aren’t included in the base game anymore”
The tech changes seem great but Fudj focused so much on them that this smash game would EASILY be the worst selling (besides 64) if the next Nintendo console has backwards compatibility
@@undefender Honestly I think one of the smartest ideas is to make more of the "tech" actual gameplay features. Or at least make them more intuitive for new players & marketing. For instance, Nick All Stars has the air dash which lets you additionally do the wave dash, and honestly it makes way more sense to me to boost yourself into the ground, than to airdodge into the ground... Even if wavedashing would technically still be a tech. Heck, maybe you can "air dash" on the ground and get a wave dash without jumping. I know smash has some sense of button real estate, but i think you can spare at least one more button that can effectively do some of the old tech, maybe it can be something entirely new too. Fudj already did it right making the assist meter something you can advertise that adds to the game.
@@brogoyle Yeah, and Nick All-Star Brawl was dead on arrival. Maybe realise nobody but some smelly nearly 40 year old Melee tourney players care about memedashing.
@@MagcargoMan i don’t even care if it is a dead game, it was a legitimately cool idea. But the way you talk, i don’t think you’re prithy to any kind of civil discussion with nuance if that’s how you refer to competitive players…. I’m not even a competitive player, I *KNOW* they can be deeply grating, believe me. But you seem even more so.
Super glad this guy isn't in charge of anything important.
Yeah I like the idea of having a smaller, more Nintendo-focused roster, but I don't like his changes for the most part.
The funny thing about Xenoblade 3 is that they could put in all 6 of the main cast cuz they're all capable of using the exact same classes and weapons. Realistically they'd add just Noah and Mio, but they had 4 different DQ protags as the same character, so it's not too farfetched
The 4 DQ protags thing worked b/c they're all relatively the same height and build. Meanwhile, Lanz is double Sena's height. The might as well be different characters at that point.
Noah's alts could have him don the other characters' jackets, like he can in the game.
Throw in an N costume why not...
@@FixTheWi-Fiyou could add mio in the mix, she isnt much smaller than noah
I think a reboot of smash has to be a true reboot
Cut down the roster by a lot and focus on more current characters, giving them revamped movesets
I definitely wanna do this for a video one day. Maybe after a new smash trailer
I actually agree with this. Furthermore, if third parties are going to be a thing, the whole series should be represented; not just have a guest cameo. If you add Sonic, should have Eggman and Tails too- quality over quantity of representation
@@izzyj.1079Umm... Why? You might be on to something but I don't see it _:)
@@metawarp7446 I just think it's bizarre to have something like Fire Emblem or Xenoblade getting multiple reps while series that are objectively much more important and influential have just their protagonist. Maybe that makes more sense when Smash is just a celebration of Nintendo, but for games like Ultimate trying to celebrate the whole medium...
@@izzyj.1079 Ok I still kinda disagree but also somewhat get it, TY :)
As a game dev, players would be pissed about you taking characters out of the base roster and ‚selling them back to them‘ in DLC, guaranteed.
Hmmmmmmmmm sounds like Smash 4
It’s a ridiculous thing to be pissed about though. The game cannot feasibly keep adding and adding to the roster iteratively for a plethora of reasons, and even if it were possible, it would certainly come at the cost of other aspects of the game feeling lackluster (like Ultimate). If the next game did slim down the roster, I’d argue people would be more upset if they opted to not use DLC as an opportunity to bring back cut veterans.
Of course, that’s all contingent on the content in the base game not being lackluster in the first place.
@@poptart9162 You‘re absolutely right.
I like having the miis, if only because they basically let you play as a skin of any character without needing the dev time to make that character fully fleshed out.
Or you can be like me and play as samurai karl marx.
I think Miis is purely dependant on whether the rumoured “Switch 2” even bothers bringing them back, not necessarily if they’re popular picks amongst the community. I’m sure there’s a way to incorporate them into the game even if they’re not on the system itself but to make things easier on the team, I’m gonna say if Nintendo doesn’t want them, Sakurai probably doesn’t either.
I like Miis because they let me play as a black character (Yes I know Alex, Inkling, and Villager are alts but... I just enjoy their playstyle)
Yeah, I agree! ^^ I love Mii Fighters, being able to play as my characters, ANY of them, and finding out ways to create the as Miis is so fun, and I love their playstyles, too! The customisation of them in general is so fun! ^^
@@crazycap2945That's totally fair, true, good point! And I love Miis' playstyles, too, especially Brawlers, they're super fun! ^^
The people yearn Project M(+)
Once/if brawlback comes out it will be so popular
Except l canceling. I don't know how the pm community feels about auto l cancel being an option was project m's greatest feature. I wish it was just part of the game design and not an option
Look up HewDraw Remix. It's a smash ultimate mod similar to project M, and it's really fun!
Pm is the best smash
Biggest problem with the cuts so far is down to them being cut due to who they are and not what their playstyle is.
Incineroar is the prime example of how to do a heavy right, but he's cut for no reason. Just a bad decision there, only made worse by including Lucario, a character that doesn't feel good to play and doesn't really add much to the game.
exactly, cutting every ninja like character (sheik, greninja, joker) leaves the cool drag down up air and spacing close to ur a opponent thing out and i think that it’s poorly thought out
Lucario at least has a spot amongst more well known or unique Pokémon. Incineroar was just what Sakurai deemed the best option from the most recent Pokémon game at the time and now we’re at two generations later and at the rate new Pokémon games have been releasing, we’re likely to get even more by the time the next Smash game is actually ready.
@@boydixonentertainment It comes down to what you value more. Would you want a super popular/ relevant character that's terribly designed, or would you want a less relevant character that's well designed?
Lucario would be a wasted character slot as he's one of the least played characters and relies heavily on gimmicks.
He has potential to be cool, but Sakurai would never commit to redesigning a character because of his 'vision'
kazuya is a perfect example of how to do a heavy weight wrong please remove him too, he's lame as hell
In-universe assists could help cover for problems of character in/exclusion so well, but would be hard to make unique from other fighting games and possibly uncomfortable to make fit with platforming and items already in place
Btw, I think the assist thing is great, but it would ultra suck if those assists acted like the way assist trophies do now.
I think the best way to handle it would be having the assist do a single attack when they are called on.
HOWEVER, depending on what the direction the control stick is held when using the assist input, the player can control which attack the assist uses.
This will keep assist completely user controlled and allow for more comoetitive play. If people are fans of the old assist trophy style then the option will be there.
I think the assist feature would work better if each assist had one move. You could just balance it by the power of the move vs the meter build. Have one assist be a small buff that charges super quickly. Have another assist be beasically a final smash but it takes almost a whole game to charge. It also helps counterplay because you know what the opponent's assist will do.
Turning the assists into like MvC assists would likely mean less individual assists. Also that kind of complicated, high complexity mental stack game design just feels a bit much for smash imo.
@@nickziegler1904 Well, I wasn't imagining anything more than 3 different attacks for each assist.
Up for an upwards attack, neutral/side for a default attack, down for a down attack. (there could of course be exceptions to this rule.)
Would work for a more combo-oriented smash title.
Assist trophies already had a lot of work put into them with their AI and whatnot. I don't think my idea would require more work than what they already did for Assist Trophies.
I can understand the mental stack thing though. Personally, I'd like smash to have more of a mental stack, but that's me.
Your idea is really neat too. It reminds me a bit of how Arcana Heart's mechanics work but a bit less complicated. A passive buff and a big attack to cash out on is really cool. My only worry is if the buffs can remain unique among the amount of assists Fudj wants to aim for. There's only so many stats you can adjust before you start having overlap.
I think Miis should stay in, but as a single character that emphasizes the sports and wii play bits alongside some custom legacy moves. Miis are the mascot of the wii, which has kinda been historically significant to gaming and the company. Plus they give little ways to provide fanservice skins in the game.
Also definitely on team Marx over a waddle dee. Unhinged space powers and marxism sounds fun
Why not just have both Bandana and Marx? Im personally in the Dark Matter (Sword) camp
I like Marx but he's just not a good pick for the Kirby series overall imo. Dark matter has been a much more important villain across multiple games, and Magolor is just a cooler version of Marx (don't @ me).
Also, Marx would be another piece of Kirby representation that comes from the Sakurai directed games, specifically super star, and if there was another Kirby character I think they should represent the modern Kirby games, not just the classics.
@@silvergalaxia8538 Ehh, while I prefer Dark Matter and Bandana Waddle Dee, I also don't think they are "more important". I feel Marx also deserves to be in. I mostly said that from bias + he's already cool as a boss. Gooey is another one I'd like to see as well.
They should add parasol waddle dee so everyone is mad
That makes no sense, the whole point of the Miis is they are your avatars that can mold and mesh into any genre of whatever that game is about. They're never "wii sports" characters.
Nice video. I had a nightmare about the worst smash bros ever but, it being a dream, there was no way to relieve the horror. However, I found this video and it makes for a nice cautionary tale about how terrible a game could be. Thanks!
Damn man, backhanded compliment much
Legendary comment
@@ColorfirePluma truly
NAH
You lost me when you cut Mega Man, and almost brought me back with Travis Touchdown and Rayman. I think that If there's room enough for Pac-Man, the blue bomber can easily fit in as well.
Agreed. So many great characters were cut out, but Pac-Man was left in? Sure he's an iconic part of gaming, but like...he's just a circle.
Totally agreed. Mega-Man was known as "The 8-bit Dark Souls". It contributed to hard games that wasn't on arcade trying to milk you but just for the sake of fun. It truly is a big part of masocore games history. Everybody who is into difficult games know Castlevania, Ghosts n' Goblins and of course, Mega-man
@@poopheadtwenty-seven540are you stupid? Pac man is literally massive there shouldn’t be any arguments about him staying
Also who tf cares if he’s “just a circle”? So is Kirby, should Kirby be cut?
This idea just popped into my head, but imagine each character is part of an unofficial "wave" that focuses on a specific era of videogames.
You start with the retro characters like Mario, Link, Samus, Little Mac, Bomberman etc. and then you move up to different era's like 16-bit, 3D, HD, modern etc. It could kind of be like a chronicle of Nintendo and gaming history, and can prioritise important characters while still keeping a spot open for some obscure picks.
This isn't a great idea, like I said it just came to mind.
That was a mode in smash 4
@@cloaked7938 All Star mode existed in Melee and Brawl too
@@nazukah2861 did you fight the fighters in the order of when they came out?
Here's who I'm guessing you want desperately reworked before you reveal it at 24:19:
- Ganondorf (no-brainer)
- Sonic
How about reworking most of the original 12. They've been boring for 20+ years
bowser desperately needs a complete rework and I can't believe he isn't brought up more in these conversations
@@jclkaytwo What would you like reworked about Bowser? Only his neutral B comes to mind.
@@tb4u646 like, the whole thing. all of bowser's moveset except his fire breath consists of generic melee moves like punches, kicks, and grabs that have nothing to do bowser. his side b HAS TO GO. and that's not even mentioning what they did to his characterization.
i love the idea of the assist meter, and absolutely agree that it should be integral to the games identity, but i think not having an option to turn it off is just a bit too cruel. maybe shove it in special smash or something to dissuade people in tournaments from only playing that
Ik it’s your vid, your rules and all but I genuinely don’t get why you talk about all these characters that you’d cut just to use DLC spots on them. While I agree in shrinking the roster, if you really want Bayo, ken, ryu, and wolf, then just say so and make them base roster and have less DLC, or think of new characters. It was understandable in Sm4sh when they brought back Doc, Mewtwo, and Lucas cuz it was the first time ever implementing DLC in the series. But now that DLC is an expected part of the game, no one wants to see the DLC spots being taken up by characters that we’ve already seen before
Every time i here someone say we need to cut all the third partys.
Iight im out
I think Greninja should stay. Literally the most popular Pokemon in the whole series. My cuts would just be Pichu, Incenaroar, (and as much as I dont want to cut one of my mains) Jigglypuff. Pikachu is the mascot, Trainer represents an integral part of the series (evolutions and having a team), Greninja is the #1 most popular Pokemon, Mewtwo represents the legendaries, and Lucario.... well Lucario's just cool. Jiggly is cut because we already have a more iconic pink puff ball, and they got lost in the massive wave of the amount of Pokemon, making them less important.
Sorry bro, Puffs got plot armor
@@CSPRING101Yeah Jiggs is the 1st Joke character who managed to be in every game
Greninja won one poll over 6 years ago. Now the water starters are all on two feet like the fire and grass. 😒
@@HesGotaGun505 You say that but the only non bipedal water type was Sammurot (and arguably Swampert). Also Greninja was cool. And right after there was Primarina. Dont blame this on good ol Greninja. He did nothing wrong
@@Lagw1020 it’s really about starter Pokémon looking less like wild animals/dinosaurs and materials, and more like humanoids. Which inevitably leads to more smut.
"smash 6 should celebrate nintendo's history"
*proceeds to cut characters that are important to nintendo's history and/or aren't "relevant" enough*
Cutting Wolf over Falco is downright idiotic, NGL. Fox vs. Wolf is way more important than Fox + 'That one guy whose sole appearance in a videogame outside of smash is a talking head.'
Edit: Bring Falco back as DLC instead of Wolf and keep Wolf Main roster.
Also, Travish Touchdown is irrelevant in the modern gaming sphere. There's no real reason to include him.
Sylux is a good pick for a new Metroid rep, but I’d personally choose Raven Beak as his design is so amazing and his moveset has a TON of potential.
I will never understand why Smash players keep wanting to cut Ike and keep Robin when Ike has proven to be a far more well-liked character in both the Smash Bros community and much more so in the Fire Emblem community, where he's more popular than even Marth. He's also been winning tons of popularity polls on the mobile game and he's re-appeared in other FE games since .
Because awakening saved the franchise, that’s why
@@SquidSushi123 No duh. Never said Robin shouldn't return. Ike is also Fire Emblem's most popular character on multiple FE popularity polls since Awakening and makes the most reappearances in the series behind Marth, even Ike had a descendant just like Marth in Awakening, where he is also considered a legend. Removing Ike is like removing Luigi. He's too relevant to throw away.
If we get another Metroid rep, I really want it to be one of the EMMIS. They'd be super fun and unique with strong grabs, wall climbing, and powerful lasers.
Raven Beak
there is a rivals of aether mod of a EMMI, check that out, see if it matches your mental image.
I hope they add Generic Space Pirate, Goomba, Koopa Troopa, Para Troopa, and Bullet Bill as fully playable characters too and I hope they take the spots of other characters that people would actually want lol
@@N.i.E.M.O now, I know you're joking, the space pirate though, That IS a good idea. they have enough guns, and tech, and shapes and colors that you could make one with having to use a bunch of fake attacks that don't come from anywhere, and other than trophie- sorry, spirit references, I don't think any other metroid person is going to be acknowledged.
which is really bleeping stupid, because kanden *alone* could be engineered into a resident evil-ish nemesis who, instead of bazooka, does a majority of attacks with his massive shoulders, which *would* be made up.
Then again, rivals of aether actually HAS a bullet bill in the steam workshop, so, heck, just do it, minion smash bros. I'll play it.
I'd rather have Raven Beak, Rundas or Sylux as new Metroid reps. The EMMIs are kinda boring. They could make for good assist trophies, though.
Removing Sheik, ZSS and Greninja has opened a play style hole that didn’t get refilled. I’d legitimately not play anyone on this roster
exactly, joker too, just ugh
I love your takes on characters and gameplay style, but as soon as you got to game mechanics, you lost me. It just felt like you wanted to go back to smash 4's mechanics- mechanics that were not particularly enjoyable or good. It just felt like you want the mechanics that you're used to back without concern for how they will affect the newer playerbase or casuals. The shorthop aerial macro is occasionally frustrating, but opens up the game to non-competitive players so much. It needs tweaking, but cutting it altogether is a terrible idea. Removing 2-framing seems insane and combined with multiple airdodges means you've just created the most defensive off stage that the game has ever seen. With better recoveries like those in ultimate and like those you propose for heavies, it will be impossible to kill someone once they're off stage because an airdodge and a ledge grab later and they're home free. 2 framing is so important to pushing advantage state- it is the only difference between an edge guard and a reverse edge guard.
I'd disagree! Directional airdodges are one of the things making many recoveries too powerful/hard to edgeguard, in particular I'm thinking of characters like Ness and Sonic who now have to commit to their recoveries more often. Furthermore, 2-framing is maybe the #1 contributor to edgeguarding not being more of a factor - I can't imagine why someone would defend it. It's not a punishment for being off-stage (that'd be edgeguarding) it's a punishment for literally just trying tor recover, which is a fundamental part of the game and not something you should risk losing a stock for! 2-framing is also perhaps the biggest thing stopping edgeguarding from being more prominent. Why go off-stage and edgeguard when you can stand at ledge and spam your busted Wolf/Pichu F-Tilt or Roy/Chrom D Tilt instead?
The classic Smash 4 airdodge is perfectly easy to bait and punish. 2-frames and directional airdodges are holding what's holding edgeguarding back.
@@NocturnalFudj I think a problem we see with characters like Ness is that he was given an extra long airdodge. If his was normal and characters with already amazing recoveries (like sonic) had theirs reduced like Bayo, I think it would be better on the whole.
and as far as 2-framing goes, I really do think that removing it makes the off stage disadvantage less disadvantageous. I think some characters (like chrom) benefit massively from having a 2-frame option because they couldn't edge guard normally. I would be totally open to having other characters rebalanced around whether or not they can edge guard. In Ult, Puff has one of the best edge guarding abilities in the game, which is why her down tilt and down smash (her only two-framing moves) are awful. Characters like Pichu or Wolf or Lucas should have their best 2-framing moves better balanced around their edge guarding abilities. Characters like Chrom, belmonts, or Little Mac would suffer MASSIVELY if they only had edge guarding to push their advantage state.
I see how you are frustrated by these options, however, I think having more options on the whole leads to a more enjoyable experience. The game needs to be balanced for risk-reward to make sure that you don't get a dominant strategy like Pichu f-tilt or Ness airdodge. I think it comes down to the question of: what do you want a kill to look like in your game? Melee has long combos that lead to a character's signature kill move (up air/smash for fox, dair/bair for falco, fsmash/dair for Marth, bair/rest for puff). Smash 4 was much more often racking up damage to high percents before killing with a smash attack (or another strong attack often boosted by rage), OR it was a Bayo combo. Ultimate, I find, has some of the best mixtures of kills with edge guards, reads, and combos, although the game does seem to tend towards ledgetrapping as time has gone on, which I find represents a rather large design flaw. Obviously these are massive oversimplifications, but I think that the most common kill in your game would be closer to smash 4 with the addition of the assists. I don't love that idea because I enjoy the faster paced kills of melee and ultimate more, where racking up damage is ancillary to getting a kill. I think it makes for a more interesting dynamic where games can swing back and fourth quickly while also rewarding the better player.
Honestly, this is probably the best hypothetical "Smash 6" I've seen. Most of the decisions not only make sense in terms of pleasing fans, but also from a financial standpoint as well as giving the game a bit of a unique identity. I actually wish you went more into the arcade motif you were talking about as well as the assist me mechanic. Sounds like an interesting way of giving a new Smash game a completely original (for the series) hook!
Idk he had some terrible terrible takes
Call me crazy but I do think Miis should stick around, just not the way they are now. Miis are incredibly iconic, and I think pulling from the "Wii" series of games for a moveset would be both very funny and very cool. I also think, while you could select a Mii, the default should be the most iconic mii of them all, Matt.
Honestly something I’ve thought about specifically for Assists is even putting some items in there! Not exactly items but power-ups AS assists
How cool would it be if you could built up a meter for a Fire Flower and get an install where the character changes to fire flower colors, your attacks get fire properties, and maybe either more damage or less endlag or something?
Also I think the reason Project+ & Project M are so good is that it’s a culmination about what everyone loves about Smash, and while a reboot like yours would be suitable, having great features not be in the game due to them being in a previous title is just weird to me
It’s like a new Mario Kart removing the drifting speed boost you get just because it was in Mario Kart 8 Deluxe
I don't really care for Byleth as a character, but their game is so significant to both Fire Emblem history and SRPG history that I would imagine they'll be brought back in the next Smash. They've also got a pretty unique moveset as a weaponmaster type fighter.
Also FE Engage is such a great game if you just mash start through the cutscenes!!
Three houses is about as important as a fart while you're taking a shit, and not even half as satisfying.
Byleth might come from the best selling FE but Nintendo is gonna wanna push the next FE game so who knows if they’ll even keep Byleth, Byleth will an old and outdated protagonist like every other Flavor of the Month protagonist.
@@squallleonhart9387 That's true for a lot of characters but just looking at sales numbers and popularity Three Houses is a major milestone in FE history and that will still be true by the time the next Smash game arrives. It's the same reason why he decided to keep Robin in the roster due to Awakening's success.
@@squallleonhart9387If Ike has been kept around since Brawl, I would not be surprised to see Byleth still around next Smash game
@@squallleonhart9387Byleth is still nearly as popular as characters like Marth, Ike, Lucina, or the 3 Lords in the same game. Within the Fire Emblem community, Byleth isn't even the most popular Avatar character. That goes to Robin.
You know, not gonna lie, the idea of the assist meter actually does sound really cool. I would genuinely like something like that especially since it would give the game it's own identity.
i don't like how all the cool retro characters are gone in this, especially when the point of it is to go back to celebrating nintendo. they really gave the roster a lot of personality and characters like ice climbers were really fun in terms of moveset
I think "cutting" any character is going to ruin the Smash hype cycle, as each new announcement will be accompanied with a feeling of dread. Is my main safe? Will the next trailer prove that my favorite characters are cut from the game? There's not a lot of hype in finding out that Pikachu and Jigglypuff are returning for the 6th game in a row. Even for more "obscure" picks like Robin, I can't imagine feeling excited when all I'm feeling is relief that my guy made the cut.
Instead, I think they need to build the roster again from the ground up. Mario should have a moveset that utilizes a wide variety of recurring powerups, as well as Cappy for his Smash attacks. Luigi's moveset should be fully based on the Luigi Mansion games. Peach uses some of her moves from Showtime. Pikachu gets a full overhaul with moves like Electro Ball, Iron Tail, Volt Tackle, Fly. DK throws barrels and utilizes Rambi and Squawks for movement.
The only way to shrink the existing cast is to treat each returning mascot like a new, or at least heavily-updated, character. The excitement isn't "who's going to make the cut?" but "How has this character evolved?" This also provides a lot of room to bring in other highly-requested Nintendo characters without missing out on Smash history.
The fact that you didn't open the fire emblem character section with "let's cut the superfluous characters over representing awakening (chrom and lucina)", but somehow decided lucina was more important than Ike made me very mad. Then I wrote this comment and went on with my day
a way to diversify the fire emblem cast will be to make the clones and redundant swordfighters Marth Skins, give Ike the Urvan Axe instead of the Ragnell, give Robin a magic staff instead of the Levin Sword, and give Corrin more Manakete related abilities and moves, Byleth is fine as it is. and maybe add an Archer character or a pegasus knight.
The thing with Lucina, is that she's just Marth with different models, lines, and sword damage distributions. Designing, programming, and testing the moves is normally the most time-intensive part of making a character, and you don't need to do 95% of that with Lucina.
But also yeah, I really like playing as Ike. I'm a Kirby fan, so maybe cut Dedede instead of him.
For the sonic rework, I just had the idea of having the boost meter from some games as a pressure to be more aggressive. If you keep engaging your opponent, you maintain boost, but the moment you try to run away you quickly burn through it. It should probably be more than just a bar that makes you move faster, but I don't know how exactly it should work beyond that...
They should just triple his base speed. Would seem fitting and fair 🐸
Respectfully, I hate your roster... respectfully.
Fr bro I just hoping this man don't somehow becomes the director of the franchise 😵💫
The people (which is just me) thinks having Grandad as a Mario echo fighter would be really cool
this video is 50/50 for me. i love some of your opinions and ideas but bro you really said that isabelle should be in super smash bros over cloud and another fucking animal crossing character my god. aside good video
it’s because not only is FF7 honestly overrated (only real good thing is story), but also Animal Crossing is WAY more popular than ff
The assist meter is exactly like what they've got in fraymakers
I think mac is gonna stay just because of his importance in the casual meta and his uniqueness as a ground based fighter in an aerial movement centric fighting game.
in the same vein, I think incineroar is likely going to stay as well, I don't know how you could cut the only true grappler and get away with it.
"80+ iconic characters and out of all of them I want to play the miis"
Me: Looking around nervously, having picked the miis because I don't care for the roster and never got my favorites in, so might as well play as my own OCs instead
My only gripe characters wise is in the Pokémon. In a game where the whole theme is that it’s a reboot, I feel like “Smash History” should be a non-factor in deciding the roster. Jigglypuff needs to go, and Mewtwo and PT need to be in. The former is too iconic to be left out (and much in need of a flashy rework) and the latter is a unique concept that represents the Pokémon series better than any other rep from it.
Agree, but replace Ivy and Squirtle to spread out representation to the later gens.
That said, if Smash History shouldn't matter, you need to be ready to let go of Captain Falcon.
@@CaptainDCap …we gotta make an exception for falcon
@@CaptainDCapThe point of saying smash history should be a non-factor, is to cut the loose ends without being forced to keep them because of seniority. Keep the good stuff, cut the deadweight. In this case, Captain Falcon is extremely important… he’s basically the Ryu of Smash. But you can cut a character like Jigglypuff, because Jigglypuff is only important to Hungrybox. Just give the few neat moves she has to other characters. Give Sonic’s spin dash more impact like Rollout, and Rest and Sing to whoever else it would be suitable for (maybe a new fighter). Pound is funny, but I’d rather trade Jigglypuff for almost any other character.
@@mrshmuga9 I hate to break it to you, but Jigglypuff has way more right to being on the roster than Falcon. Jigglypuff is still featured in yearly released videogames, and even got a new alternate form this year. Falcon is utterly irrelevant to modern gaming. Even the Falcon Punch meme is totally dead.
You're letting nostalgia cloud your judgement.
Don't get me wrong. I like Falcon way more than I do Jigglypuff, but both have been in Smash since its inception and only one of them has still been in a game other than Smash in the last 25 years...
@@CaptainDCap I forgot Jigglypuff got a new form. Outside that though, she hasn’t really been in the spotlight like any of the other Pokémon in smash. Regardless, I’m talking importance _to_ Smash. Within Smash, Jigglypuff is not a hugely popular character or offers a ton. She was originally a semi-clone of Kirby simply because their proportions were the same. Captain Falcon has a lot to offer in Smash as a fighter. Way more than Jigglypuff. Purely going by “notoriety” is boring. You’d have to cut out a lot of cool characters just to follow such an arbitrary rule for no reason, and would disqualify some of the ones added in this roster.
You gave Rhythm Heaven a rep so you're automatically incredibly based
No-one who wants to keep filler clone trash like Daisy and Lucina around can possibly be based.
For someone who calls themselves a "Smash fan" you seem to dislike a lot of characters for nonsensical reasons...
I have a few disagreements, but an idea I think is really cool is the assist character one. MK1 is doing it and I think it livens up the gameplay fantastically and allows for different custom combos. Would love to see the idea more fleshed out and implemented!
You know, why not just have the airdodge leave you actionable right after it ends? It could be laggy and relatively big, but it still leaves wavedashing and airdodge reading as feasible options. Also it would help extend combos offstage.
I agree with most of the choices made here even if some stung a little, but I do believe keeping Jigglypuff over Mewtwo and/or PK Trainer is such a weird choice
My guess is, it's because of the OG 12 that never left smash. Many people would want to cut jiggs but jiggs is in such a safe zone, no chance to cut her.
Puff is one of those characters (like Fox/Falco, Captain Falcon, and maybe a few others) who have become inextricably tied to smash itself even more than their own series. They have so much history as smash characters that it's hard to remove them at this point without upsetting a lot of people.
@@Kyro4Productionsout of those 3 characters though…. puff is clearly the easiest to get rid of. She’s been on the chopping block before during Brawl only escaping by a hair and really represents nothing for Pokemon in smash. Mewtwo, Charizard, and especially Greninja deserve her slot way more. The original twelve really aren’t as untouchable as people seem to believe, Ness and Puff were almost gone in Brawl so if it came down to it I’m sure Sakurai would do the sensible thing and finally cut puff out of the roster.
i love to see a lot of thought being put into this idea - thanks for the video!
I respect the big effort of putting out what you want in the next game in a decent level of detail.
I don't have much of a personal investment in Smash, nor do I possess much knowledge on the mechanics, so as long as the next one is fun and maybe easier to get into if you're playing by yourself that'll be all I can ask for.
With that being said, there's no need to add Alear. Fire Emblem Engage wasn't that much of a landmark for the franchise; sales were solid though unspectacular, but there's far less buzz about this game in the community than there was for Three Houses. If you don't want to bring back Byleth, just wait for the next Fire Emblem game and see how popular that game is and how well you could implement the protagonist. Otherwise, with a Genealogy remake believed to be in the works, someone liked Sigurd could be in the roster instead.
Also, props to picking the best new map Splatoon 3 introduced while having no knowledge of the game. Hagglefish Market was the best new-to-Splatoon 3 map at launch until the most recent update which added Shipshape Cargo and Crableg Capital.
If Alear was added, that just needlessly adds to the entire “Fire Emblem is liked by the developers” meme, and this time it would have bite because Engage adds nothing, save yet another game needed to be represented because it is another world. Corrin had that complaint but as a Manakete he/she at least plays distinctly. Alear, as befitting the game he comes from, does not have any distinct gimmicks from any other Fire Emblem lord and it is far too late to make Marth/Roy clones. At least in Alear’s game it is because the game’s gimmick is that it has a lot of the past gimmicks, but since the gimmick of Alear is that Engage is so cliché it pulls from every game, that does not translate well into fighter gameplay and people would hate it.
Rayman may be more likely than you think because of the Mario + Rabbids series. If Rayman was added, he would take from his appearance in Sparks of Hope with a few past Rayman references.
Assists could definitely work if it worked like changeable supers in StreetFighter! Say you had three specific assist characters vaguely relevant to each character and maybe like a random for the casuals out there. I'm sadly a huge Xenoblade fan, so for Noah it would be like Mio, Aegis, and then random. Maybe Mio would throw out weak attacks and draw "aggro", but if you fulfill a criteria you could fuse into Ouroboros and deal a single massive blow final smash style. Then you'd have Pyra and Mythra which would provide a power-up to Noah's sword moves- maybe allow him to draw Lucky-7 or use his gauntlet. Finally you'd have random which competitive play would naturally not use because of its uncertain effects and lack of balance, but be a ton of fun causally! For Shulk he would have Aegis and then maybe Reyn- reusing character assists, but with unique effects as to not balloon the hypothetical development time with a ton of extra characters
Good video! Id add edgecancel aerials and being able to carry your momentum of your dash after you jump, think itd make the game more interesting potentially
I think, if it’s a reboot, then the “classic 12” should not be considered vital
One of Smash biggest Strengths, is in my Opinion, also a huge Weakness:
The "Standardized" Character-Controls/Design. Most characters, not all, but most feel kinda same~ish at times. Which is fine, it is easier to get playing that way.
But they...sometimes feel a bit flat and the lack of linear design/ creative design makes me sad. I don't know how to describe my point propperly, but as a contrast:
Rivals of Aether's Characters have mostly linear Designs: a unique feature they are all based around, with some moves that have other utility, but overall they have that one theming, and try to abuse it a lot.
Only L in this video is the roster. Smash already hurt me by cutting Mewtwo once :(
Also, Sonic and Ganondorf. They're the ones you're reworking.
EDIT: Fuck yeah.
Always love a new yt Fudj!! Absolute banger video!!!
Your list is pretty solid! I think opening up the new smash game with Waluigi would be Fantastic considering he’s been mocked as a 3 time Assist Trophy along with Shadow and the famous Sakurai Miiverse post stating,
*“Just because you try hard doesn’t mean you’ll make it into battle”*
In hindsight that post just felt super unnecessary as if Sakurai has a personal vendetta against Camelot, the people who created Waluigi as a Tennis Partner for Wario and also the people behind Golden Sun. Isaac getting in would be the cherry on top of the Waluigi reveal!
Greninja is literally the most popular pokemon, he tops every popularity poll they do, I think there's an incredibly low chance he gets removed in the next smash game
I honestly want a reboot for the series. I understand people don't want to risk losing their favorite characters, but we already lost so much just for the sake of a roster. No trophies, they were replaced with spirits. World of Light was garbage. Melee had the perfect concept for a singleplayer mode, and they never did anything like that again. Some minigames like Break the Targets and All Star Mode were missing. Even ARMS had better online than Smash Ultimate did, at least as far as casual play is concerned. If cutting half the roster leads for a more well rounded experience, then I am all for it.
That door knock sounds too real with headphones
I’m all for a reboot and I’m very much approve of the summoning assist trophies idea from a meter. It would give them more semblance and importance, just like how Marvel Vs Capcom handles its assists.
Smash 6 should look at Rivals of Aether 2. That game is innovating in ways that the smash devs would probably never think of. They have specials for grappling, specials that are specific to when you're hanging on the edge of the stage, etc. An obvious way to innovate and add deeper mechanics.
Too hard on the casuals. Nonstarter.
@@CaptainDCap I don't think adding new mechanics is too hard on casuals. Lmao. Check out Rivals 2 new features. It's just new moves. Nothing crazy.
Yeah let's be real what do casual players usually do in smash? Get more than 3 people together on a couch and play with items and FS meters and that's about it. The series is quite literally too big to not have casuals suddenly not buy a smash game just cause it favors competitive players this time that's asinine to think otherwise
@@AlphaladZXA I'm not saying the casuals wouldn't buy it. I'm saying Nintendo would never.
Ultimate is smash 6.
Next smash is smash 7
Instead of using an assist, I would just give every character special moves, which could give every character more depth and would be a great reason to have less characters.
Min Min was a request by Arms's creator. Sakurai even mentions it in the Min Min presentation.
Only one of these ssb reboot videos that didn’t cut Isabelle mad respect for that
It is true that Sheik in OOT isn't relevant enough to justify a spot in Smash BUT she does have so much history in Smash (especially in competitive Smash) that I feel like you gotta keep her in
Cutting Ike means I'm cutting my subscription from this channel
That among other things is the reason why this video has so many dislikes, be better Fudj.
uh dislikes aren't visible anymore to me, but I can believe it lol
anyway, this was an awesome video, I think your ideas are really good!
For all the smash 6 concepts I've watched, this has gotta be the worst, removing all 3rd party characters, making characters we already had dlc, and cutting most of the good characters? No thanks.
Keeps King K Rool because we need villains. Proceeds to cut out Wolf, a Star Fox villain. Okay-
Edit: Okay I should have kept my mouth shut until the end-
I honestly don't see the point of cutting characters if you're just going to bring them back as DLC. The rule was to not have 3rd party characters in. Even if their moveset was reworked, it'd still be dissapointing since it's not going to have any variety to have returning characters as DLC.
I think the next game needs to go even more extreme with the changes. Scrap MOST of the cast. Focus on some new ones, and only bring back the main core of iconic characters. Then I think every character needs a moveset overhaul after deciding on a completely new control scheme. But that's just me. I'd also love a focus on more types of game modes with stages to compliment them. A "Classic" mode on smaller stages, that uses the classic stock setup. But then other stuff, like larger maps with a sort of battle royal vibe. Some stages that are races to get to the finish with enemies and sections where you can stop to fight each other to move forward. And then bring back something like smash run where you can power up and then face off at the end. Just a more varied mode style of game.
*nods fervently to every cut*
*sound of glass breaking when Sheik is brought up*
Imagine being this upset at Miis being a cash cow of costumes that you ignore that in favor of "Nobody cares about Miis. They are not legendary by any means".
They are sticking around solely because of mii costumes. Idk what other reason you need
I think “Super Smash Bros. Next” is a more fitting title for a reboot. “Clash” doesn’t present the game as a new take on the series like “Next” does.
Surprised you didn’t bring in Raven Beak from Metroid Dread. The game was a huge success with players and critics and basically revived what was considered a long dead format for a long dead franchise. And Raven Beak in particular was a big part of that appeal - an actually good and actually tough final boss, an intimidating villain with extremely cool abilities and lore significance for Samus that even outshines Ridley.
A lot of videos about him online are showered in comments from people dying to see him in Smash and he has tons of abilities that would fit the Smash format perfectly as-is.
I think he’s a no brainer for Smash 6, they’d be fools not to give the spotlight to Dread. It might be the most important 2D Metroidvania game since Super Metroid itself.
Also: guessing your character reworks, I’d say maybe Olimar and Sonic? Guess we’ll see if I’m right!
EDIT: half right! But yea Ganon needs the rework BADLY.
He'd be a top tier assist for sure - and if Metroid Prime 4 wasn't coming he'd get the char slot instead I think
For is something that is in my mind for quite a long time. We got Rathaloss as a boss in Smash, to represent Monster Hunter. And so, I thought of other licence, that would suck to have a fighter for, but could be a really good hommage to. Like Darks Souls with a boss from the game in it. Since Bandai is producing Smash Bros. and have Dark Souls as one of their franchise, it would be duable, really nice, and I would love to have some Dark Souls OST in Smash overall.
There is so much potential, for new comers, new gameplay mecanic, or new concept and idea overall.
I don’t think Pyra/Mythra should be cut. Xenoblade 2 is pretty important to the series and made the series more popular (and it’s done in bad faith).
Why is the nearly half of the DLC making people pay for characters whose code has already been made for previous games? I get we’re making a hypothetical Nintendo game, but this would be a new level of scummy greed.
I would literally take CORRIN over toothpaste chan
Theres a lot of decisions you make that i think warrant further discussion, but there is a right way to to FE and it is NOT to just pick something new without any idea about what makes them interesting
I feel like a lot of his choices were made out of sheer spite than anything interesting
So like early DreamWorks on having Shrek be the "Fuck You" to Disney CEO back then
I don’t care what the next smash is but what I care most about is balance, online and offline/single player modes preferably one with lots of cutscenes like subspace but for sure actually good online and a balanced game are the most important
Smash doesn’t need a “reboot.” It needs a better story mode, some unique mini games like Break the Targets, and many of the characters should have their movesets reworked to better represent their abilities in their home series. Mario, for example, could get rid of his cape (which functions nothing like it does in the Mario games) and replace it with a Cappy move. Ganondorf and Daisy should be mostly or completely de-cloned, while Dark Samus can be a semi-clone with some unique moves like that one where she shoots tendrils out of the ground. Jigglypuff should stay as one of the original 12 but could get a more interesting moveset with stuff like Hyper Voice, Draining Kiss, and Dazzling Gleam.
I don’t agree with cutting any of the Nintendo veterans except for Pichu (who is just a smaller, less popular version of the series mascot with a weird crippling gimmick) and Young Link (3 Links is too many and Toon Link has a more unique visual style which should be reflected in a de-cloned moveset.) Lucina, Chrom, and Dr. Mario can also stay but be relegated to alternate costumes with unique animations/voice lines. Ideally none of the 3rd party characters would be cut either but I don’t know about the logistics of it. Regardless, I think they should mostly focus on adding Nintendo characters next time such as Dixie Kong and Toad.
I’d replace some characters in the DLC and put them in base game. Namely Sonic, Pac-Man and Wolf. Also Megaman should be in Base game since I’d say he’s a pretty significant 3rd party character to Nintendo. Then I’d put Paper Mario and Crash Bandicoot in the DLC. Despite a big selling point being reworks I still think you need more new characters than old to sell smash DLC.
If you think Nintendo has the guts to pull that “Bring Lucas back as DLC in the very next game” schtick they did in Smash 4, then I’d day… you have your finger on their pulse, yeah. But I doubt Sakurai would let it happen again. I hope.
The Door Knock at 43:08 was so vivid in my headphones that I actually got up and checked cause i thought it was coming from my apartment
Dude I was playing a game with AirPods in listening to this and I thought someone knocked on my bedroom window I got so scared.
I've been recently getting the thoughts that they should someday hit the Complete Reset Button on this whole franchise, I've been feeling that characters that already existed really needed more work to be true to themselves. Plus, as the franchise goes on, I slowly get the feeling that only small things will change if they don't fully restart.
I feel like cutting Min Min and Pyra is, just wrong. ARMS was a Switch title should it should be there for relevancy. Pyra and Mythra are the most popular Smash Bros characters in Japan and it's not even close. Anyone who thinks they should be cut or would be cut is just fooling themselves. I don't have an issue with the rest of them but I felt these are too much "I don't like these characters where my Scrimblo Blimblo".
Though Nintendo only Smash again would be nice, at least for the base game.
21:25 Nah, I think Paula (the girl from Earthbound) would be a better echo fighter for Ness since most of his psi moves originated from hers in their game, I know it might be my strong bias for Paula talking, but while Ninten might look like Ness, he doesn't give any moves that are like Ness that aren't psi life up, Plus, Paula and Ness are both from the same game & I think she deserves more love & rep since she has the second most importance in the game, I still do think Ninten could make a good alt costume for Ness too though because that would make better sense imo
The return of Fudj, truly Christmas has come early
I think your roster choices overall are good; I agree with a lot of them. I think at this point it'd be hard to get down to 50 between keeping the most important characters and adding new ones. But I agree that it makes sense to cut enough to decrease the size somewhat. I think around 60 is a more realistic number. And thank you for keeping the echo fighters. I almost always see people immediately cutting the echo fighters, which makes no sense to me because it's basically free extra characters. I can't think of a good reason to cut an echo fighter. And Shadow and Dixie Kong as echo fighters would be so cool.
One issue I have with your lineup is locking the third party characters largely behind DLC. I think Sonic and Pac-Man are as close to locks for the base lineup as third party can be. I don't it's possible for Travis to be in the base lineup over them; he would definitely be the DLC. I think returning characters like Ryu/Ken and Bayonetta would also be more likely in the base game, with any new third party characters being the DLC. Overall I think you're right that most of the third party characters should be cut. I would keep the same ones you chose, plus Mega Man.
I can't imagine them having so few Pokemon in the final game. Going from 8 (or basically 10 because Pokemon Trainer) to 4 is extreme, especially when Pokemon is one of the biggest Nintendo franchises. Pichu is an obvious cut if not made an echo fighter. I could see cutting Greninja and Incineroar too. I wouldn't cut Mewtwo or Pokemon Trainer; I would cut Lucario over either. The biggest problem here though is a lack of representation past generation 1. I do think overall most people, including me, care most about gen 1 Pokemon, but there should be some representation afterwards. My idea would be including more Pokemon Trainer variants. You could have a second with say Totodile, Monferno, and Sceptile and then a third with maybe Snivy, Torracat, and Greninja. This gives you 1 starter from each gen 2 to 7.
I know there is more demand for cutting Fire Emblem than Pokemon, but I also think you went too far with the cuts here. Ike is the most popular Fire Emblem character by a wide margin, and his games are often considered among the best by fans. Byleth is also representing one of the highest regarded games, and in this case also the best selling, and a recent game. Other than those 2, I think your Fire Emblem cuts all make sense. I'm not confident Engage will still be the newest game when the next Smash Bros is released. I do think Alear would be a great new addition specifically because of the uniqueness the engage mechanic can bring. You can use Alear to feature more Fire Emblem characters by engaging with characters that were cut like Roy and Corrin or characters that haven't been able to be in Smash Bros yet like Celica or Lyn. Speaking of Lyn, adding only new Fire Emblem characters has left some of the most important characters out of the game. I think an argument can be made for adding either Lyn or Hector. Both represent the first Fire Emblem game sold in the US. Lyn is the second most popular character in the franchise, and while she would be another sword fighter, she would have some uniqueness compared to the other sword lords due to her higher speed and lower power, and she would have access to a bow. Hector meanwhile is the most popular male character not in the game, and would be very unique compared to other Fire Emblem characters due to being armored (so a heavyweight character, which could use more representation) and an axe unit.
Other than that, it's mostly miscellaneous comments. Ice Climbers and Sheik both feel more like Smash Bros characters than characters from their original franchise, and should be included in every entry in my opinion. I think Little Mac and Dunk Hunt are cool first party characters, so they should come back too. Wolf should probably be cut if we're being realistic. He's pretty similar to Fox and Falco, and I'd argue Star Fox isn't a big enough deal to bring him back. I don't have much thoughts on your choices for new characters, but I feel like Tails is overdue for being in the game.
I think you are reworking Sonic and Ganondorf. Yep, I definitely agree on those. Reworking some old characters is a great idea.
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Brutally hot take? On the content front I'd consider Smash Ultimate to be very shallow. It sort of has the No Man's Sky deal of appearing very wide, but all the content is only a puddle deep. What Smash needs is to cut back on fighters and add in actual story campaigns and a sort of live service module of sorts.
Yeah even in Melee with its “subpar” single player content, I remember spending a stupid number of hours in the Classic, Adventure, All-Star, character-specific Destroy the Targets, trophy gachapon, and Home Run modes.
Brawl’s sub space emissary was a standout and that game also introduced a great stage builder, the ideal mix of approachable and flexible.
Developing a game with excellent platforming and action combat and not exploring it in side modes and single-player campaigns is leaving literal money on the table.
@@FelicificityI think Fudj’s idea of a roster here is pretty terrible won’t lie. I’d lean more in on the crossover aspect and cull back on first parties tbh, that’s a way to do a proper reboot. That aside he makes some very good points.
I only agree when it comes to the single-player, not multiplayer wise.
I genuinely can’t see Sonic not being in the base roster of the next game. Now, don’t get me wrong, I have EVERY aspect of this blue thorn devil’s smash design, I feel like he’s too iconic not to include, and his history is so intrinsically tied to Nintendo, Smash would make an exception, even with the hypothetical no-third-party-veterans rule
Homie really yoinked the assist feature from fraymakers and thought we wouldn’t notice. Anyway, i may not be agreeing with all design choices made, but overall nice concept and great video
Some Roster impressions..
1. I like the trimmed down veterans. It feels more streamlined, and more clearly Nintendo.
2. Hopefully Sonic gets a much-needed overhaul, and the Rhythm Heaven rep/s are neat as well. Plus, finally, Fire Emblem isn't largely "swordfighters". (Update, thank you)
3. For Wah, lean into both his dance game and his more variable sports moveset. Like a Byleth with a racquet, golf club, and a few dice to represent Mario Party.
4. Sonix himself deserves some new stage varieties, perhaps Green Hill and Space Colony Ark to account for Shadow?
Strange cut logic. Y keep echo fighters if they add virtually nothing to the game. Rather have roster spots that are actually all unique. Also if ur taking out characters they have to stay out. Wolf is cool but u can't make people pay extra for a character that they had before
Echo Fighters are quick additions that take very little time to implement when there isn't enough development time to add a unique character. That has always been the case for clones.
I feel like Galacta Knight could work as his own character rather than an echo fighter, he has tons of his own unique abilities like creating laser beams, summoning lightning and flames, makes Heart Spears rain from the sky, can create interdimensional cuts in the fabric of the universe, and has a shield (definitely his most powerful ability) and while he is similar to Meta Knight in design and in his basic lance attacks (and I guess in their tornado attacks, but I mean it's 1 move), I personally think there's enough to work with where you could give him at least a mostly unique moveset.