Was Buying The Shortest Range EV A Good Idea? MINI Cooper SE 6 Month Ownership Update
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 พ.ค. 2022
- Mike is in Raleigh, NC for his first ever Out of Spec video! He takes us on a quick tour of his electric MINI Cooper SE and talks about the ownership experience over the last 6 months.
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Nice job going on video for the first time, Mike! Looking forward to more from you.
Would have liked to hear more about observed actual range, charging curve/times, onboard charger capabilities, etc. Seems like a great price though assuming you can actually find one.
50 kW through 80% as long as the battery is warm. It's only a 32.6 kWh pack, 28.9 kWh usable, so it charges 10-80% around the 35 min mark, but I've never used DCFC from that low SoC before, so I can't verify. Most of the time I only plug in for 10-20 min if I need to top up. Some people see upwards of 140+ mi of range if they stay in the city. For me, I mostly do 55 mph roads for my commute with significant elevation change and see the rated 110-120 mi. On the highway at 70 mph it's probably closer to 100 mi (3.6-3.8ish mi/kWh). But in the canyons I've seen over 5 mi/kWh because of all the regen coming back down the mountain. Especially with federal and state incentives, it's a fantastic value...just not as an only car.
I have a 700 mile road trip video with Mini Cooper SE if you’re curious
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I have 2021. I got 120 miles with 5 miles to spare several times. The record is 140 miles with 10 miles to spare. I had it for almost 35k miles. I also bought my wife 2022. Now days I get about 4.4 miles/kWh my wife’s get about almost 5.0 miles/kWh because she travels during heavy traffic.
Electric mini removes the most problematic part on a mini - the ICE drivetrain. We quite enjoy ours.
The ICE drivetrain is not problematic whatsoever. If it were, then nobody would buy it.
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@@bigmacdaddy1234 traditionally the bmw plastic starts to go bad in the ICE and all Mini R56 turbos leak by 100,000.
@@chijen2010 Not my problem. I always drive cars under warranty. Once the warranty is out, I get out.
@@bigmacdaddy1234You're acting like cars should only last 3 years. BMW is pathetic. Once someone has owned a Toyota or Honda, they set standards for what reliability should be like. BMW should be out of business with their garbage cars. They're just creating cyclist activism. Lol.
Love my Cooper se too. It has traveled quite a bit and makes it beyond the range as long as there are fast chargers nearby the destination. It also keeps it entertaining with the punch it packs down low and keeps me from going to jail on the highways. Haha. Always glad to see mini content.
Welcome to team OOS Mike! Looking forward to all your awesome content.
I didn’t even know this car existed but I’m glad to see it!
I would say. Don’t hesitate to buy one. There is a 4-6 month wait. Unless you get lucky and find one that someone did not take delivery of. (Rare). After summer the British made German electric go cart will go away and it will be replaced by a Chinese British version with longer range and I am sure a higher price tag
Just got mine a week ago. Love it so far. 🚗🔌
I have 13k miles on mine already and love the car. Fantastic canyon carver, fun around town, and it even autocrosses well. I have a preorder for a Rivian, but I'm torn on whether or not to get rid of my MINI when it comes.
Is the battery air or water cooled?
@@jaa2772 water cooled
I'd get one but as a former Bolt owner I already know my range needs. People new to the EV world may shy away due to the range, especially the winter reduction, and go for the max range (or charging rate) they can afford. Or they'll still have an ICE for a while and just use this for almost free (fuel) running around doing local errands.
Very interesting spec with the pedal spoke wheels and the roof rails.
Great little review, thanks.
Would have been nice if you elaborated a bit more on the range and charging. Do you have a 3mile commute or a 100 mile commute? How is it when it's colder out? Range is the exact thing that kept me from buying this mini. For me I'd eat up that 100 miles everyday and hopefully make it home. Forget about after the battery degrades a little or in the cold winter I'd never be able to take it unless it could get the stated range and then some with full heat or AC on in the dead of winter.
@@laloajuria4678 You obviously have never driven an EV. I own a Tesla and drive 80miles per day. A rated range of 110-120 does not mean it will make it in all conditions even with a 30-40 mile buffer if the car isn't rated less than optimistically like most EV's are. I'm curious how much the actual range really is not the advertised number. That's my reason for asking does it actually get what's listed in most driving conditions?
I've had a 2021 SE for about a year. The range is on par with EPA estimates. Has about a 1/3 drop in range when it was 6 degrees F outside, which seems normal for an EV. Normal cold weather, say 30 degrees average, has a marginal effect on range. Utilizing the ECO and ECO+ modes will lead to better range as I find it hard to not drive this car aggressively. My wife hits the ECO mode every time she's in the passenger seat.
@@iankreidich8698 Good info. Yeah definitely not a replacement for my Mini Cooper S then if it can make the trip to work in all conditions. Hopefully they increase it just a bit in the coming years. I think it looks like a super fun car.
I am so glad you made this review. We drove one and loved it. We ordered a British racing green which is much more vibrant than the older version of the same color. I have been driving evs for 5 years and I know that for day to day use. This car is perfect. We also own a Tesla model Y. For long drives and for moving around kids and my big dog. However since my son is. Ow driving I may trade the Y for the next version of the electric mini in 2024 which will have a 50kwh battery and double the range
Well Done with your first review, great to hear your view on the mini, just proves that not all EVs need to go 300 miles… use case!
That’s a gorgeous color for sure Mike, and use case makes the vehicle.
What percentage is the window tint? Looks nice.
Great car and a great video for your first video.you did good with the white roof. I also have a Dizzey green here in the UK
How long is your commute? do you have a commute?
Do you get software updates?
Can it play TH-cam?
Love the roof rails, too.
I thought that strip mall looked familiar, then I saw your plate! I've not long picked up my own green SE from Winston Flow. Mine showed up with two other green SEs.
You are exactly right about the colour, everyone loves it.
Maybe I'll see you around!
Great video! Did you add any tint?
Green looks so good!
I also have 2022 BRG Mini Cooper SE I ordered in November and received in February (no mark-up above sticker if you order from the Mini website). It's a great second car (primary is a Tesla Model X Plaid). The Mini is not "Tesla" fast, but is still a blast to drive. Fit and finish are excellent with no rattles or squeaks (unlike the Model X). You can easily achieve the 112 EPA range driving normally with Cooper SE. For the price, there is nothing as fun or cool and the Mini Cooper SE!
Nice job! I have a short range EV, i.e. Fiat 500 great little car only use it for when we go into the city or small errands so super practical. Have my LR Def 110 (2020) for family outings and off-roading. Depends on ones needs, but short range EVs are great for the city no emissions, easy to park as there are DC chargers all over the place here in 🇱🇺. No regrets!
There must be some way to design roof rails such that they are flush with the roof when not in use.
That green is beautiful!
British Racing Green has been around since the 50s on MINI Coopers. It went away for a while and was reintroduced in 2019 on the 60th anniversary.
Love this car! Cooper S are forever!
Good job Mike.
I love my Cooper SE as well. Got the 7,500 incentive, plus another 2,500 from Colorado.
It depends on your needs. Hopefully prices on cars drop again where you can adjust your needs accordingly. Is yours AWD?
Thank you for sharing. I ordered a '23 Signature March 19th in BRG. $29.9k + $850 destination - $7.5k credit = $23,250. Started production 4/28. Not sure I'll use it but they have a loan that excludes $7.5k where it's due when closing the loan. Compare $23.3k to 40% overpriced pre-owned BMW i3 or new ICE budget el-cheap-O cars. Love that it looks like a MINI, doesn't have to prove it's an EV with weird styling. Hard to beat the fun factor and quality. Big feature I really like on my utility/longrange car, '22 BMW X3 is Alexa which this has. Interesting to see if the MINI voice control is the same as BMW which is excellent for controlling navigation etc. Between the BMW voice control and Alexa, I turn off CarPlay. I control Amazon Music, my garage doors, etc. Would prefer 'classic' white top and caps but base is all the same color. Will see if a wrap is warranted - maybe one of the special edition. Will find the tint percent on the X3 for side/rear and use the same on the MINI. More than ample range for zip errands or driving to work once every couple weeks, downtown for shows, to the airport, etc. Alt Fuel tag allows HOV lane and free access to some of the PeachPass lanes. I'm with BMW on not needing the extra cost and weight - I'm under 30mi/day average by a long shot. Use the X3 for utility and roadtrips. $.11/kWh here, have a 14-50 plug in the garage for one of the new Grizzl-E 'mini' EVSE and a 50kW free station less than a mile if I really needed. Thanks again for sharing.
Just got ours in BRG with the black roof. They didn’t have the white roof available in the iconic package that we wanted. Loving it so far
Instead of talking about color of the car for 5+ minutes, I would appreciate something that is actually more relevent, that is info about range, charging, driving expirience etc.
More Mini SE content please!
Wow, that is quite good value. For about 5 - 7 grand more you could have a Kona Electric with 258-mile range, but I understand the attraction of the Mini (we have a 2016 e-Golf as well as a '22 Kona EV; the e-Golf is a blast). I guess not-EV-from-the-ground-up EVs are better than reviewers have been painting them, and much better value, if not objectively as good as those on dedicated platforms.
I second the view that if you can charge at home, a low range EV will do 99% of your needs (then there's rentals; Turo?)
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I have two ICE cars that effectively have less range than most modern EVs. My ‘23 Corvette Convertible is about 210 miles and my ‘12 Ferrari California Convertible is even less. I bought the Mini Cooper SE for my daughter, but the range has never bothered me (just like the ICE range never bothered me).
How did you even get the roof rails? Dealers say it's a 9hr job and it's not an option from the factory here.
I have a 219 Soul EV Luxury with 30KWH battery about the same range and could not be a better local driver, but even did a road trip with it from Vancouver, BC to Edmonton Alberta Canada, no issues and charged quickly for such a small battery. My second car is a 2020 Kia Soul EV Limited with 64KWH battery, that one is current rad tripper, just wished the seats were as comfortable as the 2019.
How fast is it from 0-100KM ? How many seconds?
If the incentives bring this down to about $25k that's a pretty good value as just a fun second vehicle for around town. Without the incentives unfortunately it loses its value. But I assume Mini will never sell enough vehicles to hit the incentive cap.
Mini is lumped in with its parent company BMW - which has sold a lot of BEVs and PHEVs. They won'tl hit their cap this year for sure, but possibly next year.
The Mini's drivetrain is based on the great BMW i3 drivetrain - should be a great little around-town vehicle!
With this car you will have have range excaity.
@@tonyn3227 It's a car for around town so no need to ever worry about range. Just plug in at home.
Totally agree! Little pocket rocket / great build quality too
Most people will not even qualify for the full refund. Most who can don't even need it. We need a discount program that takes the money off at the time of purchase for those who really need it.
I just built a mini ev on the website 5mins ago and it looks like exactly the same as yours! The green body with white top and same rims!
Cool looking Mini. Collected my Rebel Green Mini JCW last month. Considered the electric Mini for a minute before ordering the JCW, but the small battery/short range was a deal breaker for me.
The official name of your colour is British Racing Green IV. The Rebel Green is more true to the most common iteration of BRG.
Tks for commenting on the short range. I work from home, wife has the gas-SUV, I drive about ~6k miles a year in very short commutes. VALUE is where is at for me! As well.
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In March I bought an Iconic level 3 in all black with all the trim blacked out and it has the pedal spoke wheels like yours. I have owned a JWC hardtop and a Countryman All4 Turbo prior. This car is an absolute blast to drive and for me personally the battery range falls well within my day to day driving. We have a home charger installed which makes it easier to own. As Mike mentioned there are no squeaks or rattles at all. Its a very quiet drive depending on the road surface.. I have saved $160 a month in gas easily compared to my previous Mini. The tax rebate next year will be a bonus..
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How many miles do you drive a day? Love the looks but 112 seems so few. I have a VW ID4 & I never get close to the stated 240 range unless it’s perfect real world conditions
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Minor correction - the Mazda MX-30 is the shortest range "conventional EV" for sale in North America new. Only 100 miles EPA range.
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I agree from my perspective of 2 months with my 2023 SE EV.
How far do you drive? 5 miles a day?
Configurator for this car is all messed up on the mini website. I ordered one and they won't even tell me what MSRP is.
So you like BRG. What about range, utility, practicality?
Let's see some more videos of the MINI SE !
Gorgeous, but not quite BRG: it's a tad too bright. Yes, I know, there's no one definition of BRG, but we know it when we see it. Still, gorgeous!
If you can charge at home and your commute doesn't typically go far out of town, that range is plenty.
PLEASE DO A RANGE TEST ON TESLA M3 SR+
This type of ev is good. Can any company make 2 door ev similar to this one at the price below 20k? That will fit us market very well for sure.
My Rav4 only goes like 80 miles. Its a great around town car. Lower range cars are great for secondary commuter cars
That's about all I got out of a 500e. It was fine even only supporting level 2 chargers driving to work, stores, errands, kid shuttling, etc, etc. As long as you know your limitations it's the real place where EVs shine. I have my trucks and other gas cars when I go places or haul trailers. I only sold it because the annual taxes made it cost prohibitive to keep around with even extra EV taxes it was more expensive than other cars to renew, cheaper to just buy gas with that money and drive trucks around. I think it was over $500 a year on a car I spent $6k on to renew the registration. Add in liability insurance, that buys a hell of a lot of gas.
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Mini forever!
I love my eletric rocket car.
Without all the rebates it’s expensive for the range you might get in a Canadian winter, I understand the Mini appeal but it almost makes owning two cars a must.
In my 20 plus years of driving I don't think I've ever driven more than 100 miles in a day unless I was taking a trip somewhere which is rare for me. I wouldn't mind it if I had home charging but I would also like to keep a cheap ice car just in case it's needed.
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Have you tracked how much money you have spent on charging? How many miles have you driven? In my efficient I.C.E car I have spent $1000 on gasoline for 6000 miles in the last 6 months.
From what I've seen on these videos if you charge at home it's significantly cheaper but if you fast charge at a station it will still be cheaper but not that far off from gasoline at least in my state. At that point you have to wonder how much you value your time because I would rather pay $10-$20 premium on gasoline and be out of there in 5 minutes. I drive around 6k miles a year so it makes no sense to trade in my $15k car for a $40k ev just to save money on gas.
Wish you would have spoke more about the range he gets
I've had a 2021 SE for about a year. The range is on par with EPA estimates. Has about a 1/3 drop in range when it was 6 degrees F outside, which seems normal for an EV. Normal cold weather has a marginal effect on range.
I'd take this over any Leaf, any day, even with the range (or lack thereof).
112 miles that is low. I have been managing well with my 17’ Ioniq with 124 miles range. Ideally i would prefer 150-180. That would cover 100% of my needs in all seasons (-20 C here in winter)
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We should meet up at Cars & Coffee (Page Rd Durham) and compare notes. Mine has the green roof.
I love mine too, range not an issue! You don’t need 400 km range in every live, and you lug that weight around…
So do you like the color?
As the owner of a 2019 Leaf with 149 miles of range that cost $26,000 after incentives, the Mini seems to be in the same class as the Leaf. It provides an EV at an affordable price for those who can't, or don't want to, spent upwards of $40k on a car. We do 95% of our driving with the Leaf. But we own a home with an EV charger which is a must and we know the limitations of the car. Most people don't drive more than 40 miles a day so you charge every night and wake up in the morning with a car that has 125-150 miles of range for that day. But don't expect to go on a 2,000 mile road trip unless you have the patience of a saint and you have meticulously mapped out all the charging stations along the way. Even a Tesla requires hour long charge stops on a long road trip. And don't take a 100 mile round trip in the winter if the temperature is 25 degrees and you are blasting the heat as you cruise along at 70 miles an hour...you will at some point realize you won't make it back home. You will have to turn off the heat and drive the last 30 miles home at 45 MPH (been there, done that).
However, if you own more than one car, a low range EV will be the best second car you will ever own. And probably the one you will drive the most!
I think a Leaf is more practical for an around town car given the extra space and more range. The only downside is the battery maintenance and Chademo plug, but if you only charge at home in a garage, they should last a long time.
Just ordered mine a few months ago and I will get it this month most likely. They are not offering the 7,500 tax refund anymore, but if you lease the car you can get $9,900 right off the top of the car. You can then buy it within 90 days. Almost 10k off the top of the car is an amazing deal.
How does that work? Looking at the mini or Model 3 basic model
@@thomasengle7541 If you lease the car then you can get $9,900 right off the MSRP. You can then buy it out in 90 days. I got the car last Sunday and it was an instant rebate. No tax refund or anything like that. They just took almost 10k off the car. Now read the fine print because they do charge a 945 Lease fee, and also a ~350 fee at lease end. Other than that, it is a great deal.
@@VgAce135 what is the total price of the car and when do you need to buy out the lease?
Thanks for the great info!
@@mediaamericaTotal price of the car after licensing and paying all the tax came out to like 34K I believe. You can pay off the car before you even make the first payment. There is no minimum number of days or payments.
wait doesn't the honda e have less range then the mini cooper se
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You forgot to say what the real world range is on the car! Is it more or less than the EPA range? What is the efficiency?
I've had a 2021 SE for about a year. The range is on par with EPA estimates. Has about a 1/3 drop in range when it was 6 degrees F outside, which seems normal for an EV. Normal cold weather has a marginal effect on range.
Was there any dealership mark up on the price?
Not for mine. I ordered on the website and paid list price.
@@gregghorner9107 That is awesome. Since dealer is not storing or holding cars in inventory, they should not be charging markups for factory orders.
I commute 3 days a week 30 miles and 3 days a week 55 miles. This less than 100 miles rangecar when cold is good for small town in town commutes in South only.
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@@sharonbraselton4302 These days there are much more practical cars with decent range.
Too much about the car color. 1 1/2 mins if that about "smaller range ev". No comparison to similar vehicles by range/price/mfg/resale/potenial repair costs/battery life/charging times/range anxiety due to weather/road terrain
I've owned three MINIs/ I've regretted every one. I will likely buy one of these electrics when they come out with a Clubman or Countryman. BOHICA!
Anybody who keeps buying the same thing over and over and regretting it is a dope.
Thanks for the video. You are obviously a “Mini” fan. They are a cute looking car but a little small for my liking. Also, remember the tax incentive you got is not free. Tax payers are paying for your tax incentive. I don’t believe the gov’t should give incentives for buying products. That said, I’d like to see more videos on the “Mini EV”. What’s the equivalent MPGe. What’s the charging curve/time look like. It’s a good size car for around town, but definitely not a road trip car. I live in an area (Twin cities in MN) where it’s not hard to put on 100 miles a day on the weekends if you are visiting friends, going to grandkids events, etc. How does the price compare to the “Mini” ICE?
In the 2000s the feds gave money directly to manufacturers of green tech. The current EV tax credits are meant to give closer to price parity between ICEs and EVs while allowing the consumer to choose which companies they support. I’d rather see that than the feds trying to pick the winners and losers.
I gonna order this mini exactly like yours. I just took other wheels and took white stripes on the hood. My interior is in brown leather and I ordered all the other stuff.🤩! I love this color and the white roof! But it costs around 43.000€ (in Germany). But the state subsidies 9000€.
I just wish the Mini was built from the ground up as opposed to modifying the ICE Mini to make it an EV.
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Nice color and great looking car. But it is not one of my choices.
Best of both worlds, German quality and EV reliability. Nice 👍🏻 too bad they haven’t updated that Mini with the bigger i3 battery, ~150mi
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116 miles of range? LOL good lord, $35k? Trying to envision the context of "second car" here so as to appreciate this POV, but BMW didn't exactly bank on this car having any use otherwise, it seems. Preferences aside, I'm really happy this car makes you happy, Mike, I suppose I can appreciate this as a grocery getter, but wouldn't a ~5yr old Honda Fit or something be a better value?
Seats are nice, though!
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Nice color but needs to have 150 miles minimum.
No it doesn't.
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A bad idea in America, the ultimate short range trip hopper worse than a 30kwh leaf, if you only do a 40kw mile trip your be fine but anyone doing road trips forget it
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Not worth the investment when you have such a short range unless this is your second car. Better options avaliable when it comes to price and range . Hyndai Ionic 100 times better with 200 miles range
The front looks like a bug-eyed man with a beard. Its cute anyway though.
Big Dork!
Who tf is this? Kyle?
Not British racing green! Racing green is darker and not metallic!
Agreed, but that is indeed what MINI call it...
@@jeffreyspencer4005 may be just for USA Market
@@ronaldusher39 It's been a metallic color in the USA for the entire time it has been offered. Many years.
I would rather have a smart convertible all electric that only get 60 miles of range .
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I like this car but jeez that lack of range is just pathetic.
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Not in my opinion it would worth.
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Yes. HE RECOMMENDS it.
He talks way too much about everything else.
9 and a half minute video, with 60 seconds of information relevant to the title..... waste of time.
34k for such a small car with such short range is a waste of money. I hope they are very reliabe including the suspension on it, at least. Because if it ends up being a typical BMW money pit then it goes from being one of those spoil yourself purchases to being a dumb purchase.
Wow, grossly overpriced.
It's BMW prices but for now a decent value with the tax credit.
@@davidmccarthy6061 there is no value in an overpriced vehicle except the idea that the buyer wants it regardless and then the value is only to the seller.
@@laloajuria4678 based on what it offers compared to other gas vehicles of similar size.
@@laloajuria4678 the Mini has been overpriced since BMW started building them again. same for the fiat 500. there is a market for higher end small cars in europe, but its not a value car.
Factor in that you get the $7500 Federal tax rebate plus whatever incentives your State offers.
There should never be government incentives for anything. It is for any purpose an invalid use of taxpayer dollars. Government should never be in the business of selecting winners and losers, that is the province of the economy.
I agree, so let's also get rid of the gas/oil subsidies. I'm sure you're all for $12/gal gas right? Because the government shouldn't be in the business of selecting winners and losers?
Also all of the many agricultural subsidies, corn subsidies etc.
Truth. Government money (taxpayer handouts) does not allow the free market to do its thing.
You don't understand economics do you.
Please show the attachment to Mike to explain why his SE is green en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_international_auto_racing_colours