Thanks a ton Eric! Been waiting to see this video! So additional part to the story. I did replace the timing on this engine with new, BUT I had actually instead bought a 2014 Fx4 with the EcoBoost in much better condition. But with having over $1000 invested in all those timing components, I removed them and put the original back on as I found them. Little detail I forgot to mention. The new parts were already removed by the time I decided to call you guys. But was back together just the way I found it. I was driving it thru my neighborhood when it blew and made it back to my garage. Lol, those new parts are going strong in my new truck! Thanks again Eric! Hope to be down your way soon, I’ll be sure to stop in and show my face and thanks in person! Happy Thanksgiving!
Thank you Sir for the engine I have a 2014 F150 with this engine, I’ve changed the high pressure fuel pump, that’s all. It doesn’t like sudden acceleration, I have learned to not do that. My plan is to drive it until I die, I’m 74.
@@dirtfarmer7472 there are much better trucks to drive till you die... trucks that won't have blown caps and other electrical issues later down the line. most of them are older, but if you are willing to spend the money on making the truck as bullet proof as you can, aftermarket will aways have things that you can do to it to make it continue working long after the factories have decided that it's not worth maintaining. (modern vehicles are 99% garbage, i would only buy something that is like from the 90s or older, the less electronic gizmos the better, the longer it should last.)
If every household in America watched a short 10 minute summary of your channel to learn what happens when oil levels are ignored, you’d completely disrupt the auto industry.
If I could somehow reach everyone to show the importance of maintenance, indirectly saving people a lot of money and frustration, I would die a happy man.
99 out of 100 car owners dont care. Dealers are telling people they can go 10,000 before a change. Dealers with "free" oil changes, only do them when "the oil/maint light comes on" at 7000+ mi. yeah, they all suck.
The earlier 3.5 EcoBoost engines had timing system issues, mainly related to the timing chain stretching and breaking. It was not unheard of to have a failure in the 80,000 to 120,000 mile area. In 2014, Ford put out a bulletin on this and changed several timing system parts for beefier components. I have a 2011 F150 with this motor. It experienced an extremely unusual timing system failure: bad metallurgy on the crank snout caused the timing gear pinhole to open up, causing chain slip and eventually break the crank sprocket at 122,000 miles. Fortunately it happened at low RPM and low load so the valves had a chance to close before the pistons were able to hit them. No bent valves at all. Pulled the motor, new crank, bearings and timing system parts and the engine has been running perfect for the past 12,000 miles and counting.
The first year they put the 3.5EB in the F-150, the timing chain was a roller chain that was less prone to wear ("stretch"). The next year Ford switched to an inverted tooth timing chain (which they continue to use) which had far more issues with stretch (on top of cam phaser issues). Inverted tooth timing chains tend to have more issues with stretch. GM used the same style of chain on their 3.6 V6 that had lots of complaints over timing chain stretch.
Of course they did. It's planned obsolescence. It saves them pennies and it guarantees that you'll go out and buy a new truck after 120,000 miles and the warranty has been up for 20,000.
@@karlschauff7989 technically it's not stretch, it's wear between the pins and link holes. 100-200 of those surfaces polishing each other and adding 0.0005" each adds up. Roller chains tend to have much less connection points to polish. Regardless, extended oil changes are BAD no matter which is used.
Whoever does the editing is a genius. Erics sense of humor is great, but then add some of the timing edits, sped up and sound effects etc., great work!
I'm a Ford technician and most of our catastrophic engine failures involve broken pistons, my theory is that the oil squirters get clogged due to lack of maintenance or mileage and the pistons overheat and go boom
Bonjour et que pense tu du fait que les pistons auparavant avaient une forme plus allongée, un peu comme un godet ou une tasse, ce qui permettait de les guider correctement dans le cylindre alors qu'aujourd'hui ils ont tellement été réduit pour gagner du poids qu'ils ressemblent plus à une énorme pièce de monnaie. Mercedes a un problème avec ses V8 dont les cylindres se raient tous par le frottement des pistons, on a l'impression qu'ils basculent légèrement sur leur axe .
Amazing how it was confined to just one cylinder (essentially). Almost like the rod decided to split in half spontaneously. Impressive amount of gravel, also impressive the minimal amount of collateral damage.
Some of these trucks had a problem with the charge air cooler getting saturated with water and would under sudden heavy acceleration fill a cylinder with enough water to do this, the cure was to drill an 1/8” hole in the bottom of the charge air cooler. This engine looks good inside considering the lack of maintenance, yes it blew up, but the bearings looked good, upper end in the cams not so much.
Thank you for posting this excellent video. Thank you to Mr. Merrill for donating the engine. I want to wish everyone a wonderful Thanksgiving next week.
Thank you Eric for my Saturday night entertainment, and thank you Greg for the engine. I hope everyone has a good Thanksgiving. I know I'm thankful my engine doesn't look like that one! :D
Not really an issue with the eagle hemi. those valve seat issues were dealt with on the ‘12 redesign. definitely an issue on pre eagle 5.7 and 6.1s tho.
For anybody who may have had a rod failure like this video, it is worth noting do not just throw a new engine in. 2012 ish years had intercooler issues where condensation and oil would pool in the intercooler. Under boost this liquid would push up into the intake manifold under boost and bend/break rods. Typically, anytime i saw one of these throw a rod, intercooler was full of liquid. I am not an engineer by any means, but fords fix was to block off a majority of the intercooler to reduce condensation which also raised iat temperature. So to combat that they changed pcm tune which i believe enriched fuel to keep cylinder temps cooler and reduce timing for detonation. There are videos of guys drilling out intercoolers to combat issue without using fords tsb.
Nicest to drive engine I've ever had under my right foot was a 1bbl 4.9L six out of an 85 F150. Smooth, torquey, reliable. Doesn't need to rev to pull hard.
that was some grade-A carnage! really impressive levels of bore damage, and Salvador Dali valve stems to boot. wrist pin's still mint, of course. I think Santa might need to bring you a big ol' box of timing chains for xmas, tho.
Thanks Greg, first time I've seen the inspection port covers included with the engine. I'm sure a little work with a welder can restore it to as good condition as any other engine in the trash bin.
I saw one with over 200k miles, which was running good. I think you're right on how it's taken care of. I think a lot of them are either worked or beaten to death.
worked, beaten, or starved. i had an aunt who never checked the oil on her excursion and the oil was always below the min mark. eventually it got below the pickup tube too. it did last like 12 years and 8 cousins though, so it wasnt worth much when it died.
I’ve saw many with 250+k and a few 400+k. These engines as long as maintenance is done are great. All these turbo engines from any manufacturer will run great for a long time with synthetic oil changes every 5k and other preventative maintenance. If not you’ll be lucky to make it to 100k and it doesn’t matter the manufacturer.
Thanks for such a complete motor Greg! I just traded my 16’ transit 3.5 eb and this was the least reliable vehicle I’ve owned out of 30+… $12k in repairs in 50k miles. Yes, bought it newc changed the oil every 6k and didn’t even tow with it. Good riddance to that van!
I sure enjoy your channel Eric. As a long haul truck driver I have a lot of stories myself about helping others with their poor cars . I really hope that you inspire more people to take care of their equipment. Thanks again, Bob
I once had a rough terrain forklift with a 4-cylinder Perkins diesel that halved its crankshaft while it was idling (honest...true story...I wasn't even in it) and it still ran. Hell, it even started back up and ran after I restarted it. Now, it sounded like someone was hitting the cab with a sledgehammer but it still started and ran.
Much as I like Eric's videos, what I'd love is a video where all he does is talk about various engine failure scenarios and shows us parts that lead him to those conclusions. It would be great to see clear examples 'across the spectrum' of failures so we can gauge what is going on with our own project engines.
8:16 - yeah i did those IN the truck last year. Its pretty amazing when you develop a triple jointed wrist, extension fingers and skin tough enough to handle every sharp edge of plastic that is in the way.
Great video! I’d guess just a classic thrown rod. I once had a Grand Cherokee dropped off by flatbed at my shop as “running rough”. Had a 360 in it, and it ran, but horribly. Pulled it into the shop under it’s own power. Dug into it to find the cam broken in half and two thrown rods. Couldn’t believe it actually ran! Needless to say, that was a full long block replacement.
This video couldn’t have come out at a better time. The 2011 F150 Ecoboost in my family has 280k miles on it and is finally starting to give up. The turbos ran dry of oil and there was a decent amount of glitter in the engine oil but it still runs like nothing happened (apart from not having boost). I think it has maybe 5 to 10,000 left on it before it dies. I’m hoping to buy it to do an autopsy on the engine
We need to pass the tip tray around and send one of those timing chains out to be gold plated. I think it would add some serious bling to the tear down vids!
When I got a new jib years ago, I inherited a Jeep J10 pickup from an old guy who was retiring. He never changed the oil, just replaced the filter and a quart of new oil. I changed the oil quite often and in a year, it sent to con rods through the side of the block. When we pulled the engine pan off, the pickup was solidly covered with sludge that I had loosened by changing the oil. He even serviced his Marquis and later a Town Car the same way.
I just tore down a Gen 3 F150 Coyote the other day. It was a "rebuild-able core", tore it down, turns out the reason it was a core, was because a roller on one of the lifters broke in half and circulated metal throughout the engine and scratched up the bearings... luckily all the journals are fine, so I'm just going to re-ring it and put it in something. I tore down a Gen 1 coyote also, block was damaged, but what sucks is it was well maintained, no varnish, no bearing scratches, but I got some heads, cams, a nice used water pump... wiring harness, coils, other goodies.
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! That... damage is an understated word... rapid unscheduled disassembly! My guess as to how that could happen is mixing a bit of nitromethane in with avgas and putting the foot down hard. You might have to do a bit of computer bypassing to get it to run at that speed on that hellfire cocktail. There was no hydro-lock there.
Great video, Eric.....that was quite a mess!! I am amazed at how many parts the newer engines have -- gives me a greater appreciation for today's mechanics!
It's basically a fun blind touchy feely time replacing those coolant lines on the back of the motor for new turbo replacement. Just did a 2015 both turbs, oil, and coolant lines about a month ago just dont loose the clips!
The dealer replaced one of my coolant lines and they pull the connector out of the block and replace it at the same time. It comes with the clip already installed. (Part #BL3Z6A968JD).
Eric, you need to do a Q&A one night - just take a bunch of Qs and answer them. like "What do you think about all those plastic parts in high-temp areas"??
Even with great maintenance, the Ecoboost engines are sometimes troublesome, from what I've seen on forums. I myself owned a 2.0L and it was fantastic. Only things I ever worried about was the turbo or the direct injection causing issues later down the line, but it never got to that point in the 2 years that I had it (was in a 14 fusion titanium). Either way it's anecdotal but great teardown as always, Eric! Look forward to all of your videos.
ALL ford turbo engines are pure garbage . they have so many issues from cracked blocks to failed turbos to leaking everything etc.... I HATE these engines. had one wirh an injector problem . injector was seized in head so had to replace cyl head too, so from a simple repair turned into a 5k job
@@peterpeter5666 the 2L is stout. There's tons of examples of those going over 200k without issue. Im at 192k with one and it still doesn't burn a drop of oil. Siezed injector is probably the result of using crap gas.
Holy carnage! 😆 Definitely looks like a fueling or tuning issue... The other pistons were looking a bit rough on the combustion surface 🤔 I don't trust direct injection for longevity!
If you want to raise your machinist's blood pressure, ship him the block with the broken pieces in that oil filter box and ask if he can weld it back together
You laugh, but we weld damaged blocks back together all the time, stuff way way worst than this. It just wouldn't be worthwhile on this guy. I gotta LS3 crate motor that launched a rod on the dyno, we'll do a little welding to the messed up bores new sleeves and no one will ever know.
"This looks like it would be fairly impossible in the truck." Yes, that's because Ford didn't design it to be done while still in the truck. All engine components other than the spark plugs are meant to be an engine removal before changing them. Because they literally only design it to go together at the factory.
That's it! I'm putting my foot down about this and I need to see the pile of chains you have been saving since you started or whatever masterpiece you have been concocting.😂
I have 2011 F150 3.5 Ecoboost and I just replaced the valve cover gaskets the other day. I did have to replace the timing about a year and half ago. I also replaced the A/C compressor and Sunday, I am replacing an oxygen sensor. Other than that, this engine in my opinion is awesome. I have 158,700 miles on it.
@hokie9910 I bought (better yet "stole" the truck) as is from the dealership when it had 137,000 miles on it. The check engine was on and it was the p0016 code. After getting an oil change done on it, the one guy from the dealership told me that chances are the timing was stretched and the camshaft positioning sensor was fine. Which he was correct. Even though I paid out of my pocket to fix it, I still came out ahead instead of the dealership fixing it and then selling the truck. It was a fresh trade in so they didn't have a full chance to go over the truck.
@@hokie9910 I ended up having an independent shop do it because the dealership pissed me off. They had it for a week and still didn't even get to it. The independent shop took it right in and started working on it. Took a week to get done because they had to wait on some of the parts
It's bad when I start to have the exact same reactions as him in the tear downs. I literally went "look a perflectly good wrist pin!" 2 seconds later "a ready to install wrist pin."
My 2020 Ecoboost lost it’s top end at 36k miles. Ford replaced the entire engine. The service manager told me they are 50k mile motors at best. I traded it on for a 2016 Tundra 5.7 V8. Now have 146k miles on it, NOT ONE SINGLE ISSUE. Gas, yes. But a real V8 and unstoppable.
There are many of these engines running well over 50k. I would say that service manager had an axe to grind. That "50k mile motor at best" comment doesn't pass the sniff test.
Why would he sing the praises of a boosted v-6 that routinely fails while still under powertrain warranty? He has to deal with pissed customers and pissed techs that have to repair them for lousy Ford Warranty Time. If a service manager has something negative to say about one of their vehicles a person would be wise to listen to him.
Seeing you tearing down these engines and it’s always the same problem ,they didn’t change the oil, makes me want to go change my oil and i just changed it 500 miles ago.
Same recommendation I made to Ray with his camera, as I will make to you with your camera, is if it has a lens that can be removed, check for a switch on the lens body that has AF next to it, that's auto focus. Usually it's also on some lenses, near the focus ring, This is of course if your camera has a separate lens that can be swapped for others. Auto focus can be decent but not super helpful sometimes really. (really great for still images, not so great for recording videos.)
Thank you Eric! I enjoy these videos as I like machinery and find the design of some engines quite interesting. It's also quite fun to see how they self-destruct due to owner neglect or some engineering issue. :) Thanks for making them.
I'd like to see the last iteration of the transverse Iron Duke (Tech IV) torn down, I really want to see exactly how exactly the oil system with that funky cartridge filter is setup.
The big thing with these engines (and really any modern engine) is change your oil. Don't go 10k between oil changes. 4k between oil changes and they are fairly reliable.
These engines have one major issue that I know of: the water pump likes to break. The issue with that is not the part, which isn't too expensive IIRC, but the replacement. It's super buried behind a whole lot of stuff.
My old 2012 3.5 has same sound, i replaced cam phaser and chain and still knocking so I F it took for drive then did a WOT then the number 3 piston exploded and rod went through the block. Got a used engine and tune it with E30 it kick ass now
2:32 Ahh, yes, the modern day diagnostic technique of 'warm up the parts cannon'. A few minutes with a mechanic's stethescope would have saved countless hours of swearing and hundreds in parts here.
Ford Ecoboost engines have some fairly small oil passages. Conventional oil not changed often enough forms sludge deposits in the small passages. The sludge blocks the passages which starves the engine for oil. You must use synthetic oil and change it regularly.
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Thanks a ton Eric! Been waiting to see this video! So additional part to the story. I did replace the timing on this engine with new, BUT I had actually instead bought a 2014 Fx4 with the EcoBoost in much better condition. But with having over $1000 invested in all those timing components, I removed them and put the original back on as I found them. Little detail I forgot to mention. The new parts were already removed by the time I decided to call you guys. But was back together just the way I found it. I was driving it thru my neighborhood when it blew and made it back to my garage. Lol, those new parts are going strong in my new truck! Thanks again Eric! Hope to be down your way soon, I’ll be sure to stop in and show my face and thanks in person! Happy Thanksgiving!
Thank you Sir for the engine I have a 2014 F150 with this engine, I’ve changed the high pressure fuel pump, that’s all. It doesn’t like sudden acceleration,
I have learned to not do that. My plan is to drive it until I die, I’m 74.
@@dirtfarmer7472 there are much better trucks to drive till you die... trucks that won't have blown caps and other electrical issues later down the line. most of them are older, but if you are willing to spend the money on making the truck as bullet proof as you can, aftermarket will aways have things that you can do to it to make it continue working long after the factories have decided that it's not worth maintaining. (modern vehicles are 99% garbage, i would only buy something that is like from the 90s or older, the less electronic gizmos the better, the longer it should last.)
Sorry to hear a guy going through this much trouble. Thanks for making the best of it and providing the rest of us with this entertainment :)
Thank you for donating the engine. I must say. This failure was very impressive indeed.
I suspected you'd stripped off the new good parts before donating it, it's what I'd have done.
If every household in America watched a short 10 minute summary of your channel to learn what happens when oil levels are ignored, you’d completely disrupt the auto industry.
If I could somehow reach everyone to show the importance of maintenance, indirectly saving people a lot of money and frustration, I would die a happy man.
As an hvac guy, I feel the same about your furnace filters.
3.5l ecoboost doesn’t have a low oil light. If it’s leaking enough you will never know till it’s got none and the no oil pressure light comes on.
99 out of 100 car owners dont care. Dealers are telling people they can go 10,000 before a change. Dealers with "free" oil changes, only do them when "the oil/maint light comes on" at 7000+ mi. yeah, they all suck.
@@FishFind3000
That’s dumb, that sucks
A salvage yard run out of engines ? Suuuuuuuuuuure . Thanks Greg ! Everyone have a great Thanksgiving !
The earlier 3.5 EcoBoost engines had timing system issues, mainly related to the timing chain stretching and breaking. It was not unheard of to have a failure in the 80,000 to 120,000 mile area. In 2014, Ford put out a bulletin on this and changed several timing system parts for beefier components. I have a 2011 F150 with this motor. It experienced an extremely unusual timing system failure: bad metallurgy on the crank snout caused the timing gear pinhole to open up, causing chain slip and eventually break the crank sprocket at 122,000 miles. Fortunately it happened at low RPM and low load so the valves had a chance to close before the pistons were able to hit them. No bent valves at all. Pulled the motor, new crank, bearings and timing system parts and the engine has been running perfect for the past 12,000 miles and counting.
The first year they put the 3.5EB in the F-150, the timing chain was a roller chain that was less prone to wear ("stretch"). The next year Ford switched to an inverted tooth timing chain (which they continue to use) which had far more issues with stretch (on top of cam phaser issues). Inverted tooth timing chains tend to have more issues with stretch. GM used the same style of chain on their 3.6 V6 that had lots of complaints over timing chain stretch.
@@karlschauff7989of course. Nothing like screwing up a good thing after the first year by going cheap *rolls eyes*
Of course they did. It's planned obsolescence. It saves them pennies and it guarantees that you'll go out and buy a new truck after 120,000 miles and the warranty has been up for 20,000.
@@karlschauff7989 technically it's not stretch, it's wear between the pins and link holes. 100-200 of those surfaces polishing each other and adding 0.0005" each adds up. Roller chains tend to have much less connection points to polish. Regardless, extended oil changes are BAD no matter which is used.
Whoever does the editing is a genius. Erics sense of humor is great, but then add some of the timing edits, sped up and sound effects etc., great work!
I'm a Ford technician and most of our catastrophic engine failures involve broken pistons, my theory is that the oil squirters get clogged due to lack of maintenance or mileage and the pistons overheat and go boom
Bonjour et que pense tu du fait que les pistons auparavant avaient une forme plus allongée, un peu comme un godet ou une tasse, ce qui permettait de les guider correctement dans le cylindre alors qu'aujourd'hui ils ont tellement été réduit pour gagner du poids qu'ils ressemblent plus à une énorme pièce de monnaie.
Mercedes a un problème avec ses V8 dont les cylindres se raient tous par le frottement des pistons, on a l'impression qu'ils basculent légèrement sur leur axe .
Was nice to at least see an engine that was not filled with rust from sitting outside somewhere for months.
This engine had super satisfying clicks when loosening the cams and head bolts. Love to see it!
Amazing how it was confined to just one cylinder (essentially). Almost like the rod decided to split in half spontaneously. Impressive amount of gravel, also impressive the minimal amount of collateral damage.
I like your new way of removing the crank first, then pistons which are easier to take out 🙂
The more i see these new engines, the more i like my old engines!
Some of these trucks had a problem with the charge air cooler getting saturated with water and would under sudden heavy acceleration fill a cylinder with enough water to do this, the cure was to drill an 1/8” hole in the bottom of the charge air cooler.
This engine looks good inside considering the lack of maintenance, yes it blew up, but the bearings looked good, upper end in the cams not so much.
Thank you for posting this excellent video. Thank you to Mr. Merrill for donating the engine. I want to wish everyone a wonderful Thanksgiving next week.
He'll never run out of engines. It never ceases to amaze me how many people dont even know how to open the hood on their car.
Thank you Eric. Please never stop your videos. I know you'll never run out of video material
Thank you Eric for my Saturday night entertainment, and thank you Greg for the engine. I hope everyone has a good Thanksgiving. I know I'm thankful my engine doesn't look like that one! :D
The Hemi engineers should watch this. Even after all that abuse, the valve seats are still in!
For This week. They need to make all automotive engineers work in service for a year to see how f44ked up their ideas really are
Not really an issue with the eagle hemi. those valve seat issues were dealt with on the ‘12 redesign. definitely an issue on pre eagle 5.7 and 6.1s tho.
@@SkSKSK283the rollers…..well not so much. 😂
@@jeffreygoss8109 you’re definitely right. I swapped mine out after one failed at 161k
2009, not 2012 @@SkSKSK283
This is one of two engines I’ve been wanting to see. The other is a 2017 or newer Ford 6.7L. Thanks for sharing your time with us.
Same, I’d rather see a gen 2 3.5 I want to see if they have a rubber oil pan belt in it just like the 2.7
@@Foxbody302They don't
@@W0RLDSSMALLESTVI0LIN Good to know!
For anybody who may have had a rod failure like this video, it is worth noting do not just throw a new engine in. 2012 ish years had intercooler issues where condensation and oil would pool in the intercooler. Under boost this liquid would push up into the intake manifold under boost and bend/break rods. Typically, anytime i saw one of these throw a rod, intercooler was full of liquid.
I am not an engineer by any means, but fords fix was to block off a majority of the intercooler to reduce condensation which also raised iat temperature. So to combat that they changed pcm tune which i believe enriched fuel to keep cylinder temps cooler and reduce timing for detonation.
There are videos of guys drilling out intercoolers to combat issue without using fords tsb.
Sounds plausible. Good info.
The later revised versions of this motor are actually pretty good. Nice to drive.
Nicest to drive engine I've ever had under my right foot was a 1bbl 4.9L six out of an 85 F150. Smooth, torquey, reliable. Doesn't need to rev to pull hard.
that was some grade-A carnage! really impressive levels of bore damage, and Salvador Dali valve stems to boot. wrist pin's still mint, of course.
I think Santa might need to bring you a big ol' box of timing chains for xmas, tho.
It's always a treat to see the perfect wrist pin in the middle of absolute chaos. Kinda inspiring, if you think about it.
Also look close at the valve tappets from the blown hole, one of the intake buckets is cracked on top.
I noticed that too, I bet the piston hitting the valve tried to force the valve stem through the tappet.
Thanks for the core Greg! Happy Thanksgiving to Eric and all!
Thanks, Greg!
Amazing that Ford engineers managed to make the inspection ports double as a bolt receptacle during engine service!
your g/f has inspection ports ! 🤣
Nice to see the broken block parts were sent with the engine. A bit of JB Weld here & there would make it like new!
Thanks Greg, first time I've seen the inspection port covers included with the engine. I'm sure a little work with a welder can restore it to as good condition as any other engine in the trash bin.
Eric, you really gave me flashbacks of my last Dr visit... that gloved finger picking into that turbo tube and saying it feels tight in there😮😮😮
Another fun Saturday teardown. Fun to watch, plus I learn more working on my own car. Get the Porche 928 going again
I saw one with over 200k miles, which was running good. I think you're right on how it's taken care of. I think a lot of them are either worked or beaten to death.
worked, beaten, or starved. i had an aunt who never checked the oil on her excursion and the oil was always below the min mark. eventually it got below the pickup tube too. it did last like 12 years and 8 cousins though, so it wasnt worth much when it died.
I’ve saw many with 250+k and a few 400+k. These engines as long as maintenance is done are great. All these turbo engines from any manufacturer will run great for a long time with synthetic oil changes every 5k and other preventative maintenance. If not you’ll be lucky to make it to 100k and it doesn’t matter the manufacturer.
That seems to be why the fleets weren't going for them, at least at first.
Thanks for such a complete motor Greg! I just traded my 16’ transit 3.5 eb and this was the least reliable vehicle I’ve owned out of 30+… $12k in repairs in 50k miles. Yes, bought it newc changed the oil every 6k and didn’t even tow with it. Good riddance to that van!
I sure enjoy your channel Eric. As a long haul truck driver I have a lot of stories myself about helping others with their poor cars . I really hope that you inspire more people to take care of their equipment. Thanks again, Bob
I once had a rough terrain forklift with a 4-cylinder Perkins diesel that halved its crankshaft while it was idling (honest...true story...I wasn't even in it) and it still ran. Hell, it even started back up and ran after I restarted it. Now, it sounded like someone was hitting the cab with a sledgehammer but it still started and ran.
Much as I like Eric's videos, what I'd love is a video where all he does is talk about various engine failure scenarios and shows us parts that lead him to those conclusions. It would be great to see clear examples 'across the spectrum' of failures so we can gauge what is going on with our own project engines.
About time Eric. Mine 3.5 gen 2. Had the phasers changed at 59k. Any factory dodge other than a hell cat, gets my Rudy red tail gate every time.
I love the time you take to edit your videos, makes them fun to watch
8:16 - yeah i did those IN the truck last year. Its pretty amazing when you develop a triple jointed wrist, extension fingers and skin tough enough to handle every sharp edge of plastic that is in the way.
Great video! I’d guess just a classic thrown rod.
I once had a Grand Cherokee dropped off by flatbed at my shop as “running rough”.
Had a 360 in it, and it ran, but horribly. Pulled it into the shop under it’s own power.
Dug into it to find the cam broken in half and two thrown rods. Couldn’t believe it actually ran!
Needless to say, that was a full long block replacement.
This video couldn’t have come out at a better time. The 2011 F150 Ecoboost in my family has 280k miles on it and is finally starting to give up. The turbos ran dry of oil and there was a decent amount of glitter in the engine oil but it still runs like nothing happened (apart from not having boost). I think it has maybe 5 to 10,000 left on it before it dies. I’m hoping to buy it to do an autopsy on the engine
Probably clogged oil filter screens for the Turbo oil feed line. They are a $26 part but easily clogged with metal chips.
What are you doing with all the chains? Are you making some kind of armor? A Mr T Halloween costume? Spill the beans! I cannot bear the intrigue.
Classic IDC. I really enjoyed this one. Amazing amount of engine gravel! Thanks for the laughs!
We need to pass the tip tray around and send one of those timing chains out to be gold plated. I think it would add some serious bling to the tear down vids!
When I got a new jib years ago, I inherited a Jeep J10 pickup from an old guy who was retiring. He never changed the oil, just replaced the filter and a quart of new oil. I changed the oil quite often and in a year, it sent to con rods through the side of the block. When we pulled the engine pan off, the pickup was solidly covered with sludge that I had loosened
by changing the oil. He even serviced his Marquis and later
a Town Car the same way.
Thx Greg. Sorry for your loss bud.
I just tore down a Gen 3 F150 Coyote the other day. It was a "rebuild-able core", tore it down, turns out the reason it was a core, was because a roller on one of the lifters broke in half and circulated metal throughout the engine and scratched up the bearings... luckily all the journals are fine, so I'm just going to re-ring it and put it in something.
I tore down a Gen 1 coyote also, block was damaged, but what sucks is it was well maintained, no varnish, no bearing scratches, but I got some heads, cams, a nice used water pump... wiring harness, coils, other goodies.
I have a 2016 with 208k. Still strong as hell. No complaints.
same
2.7 same
Another great Saturday evening thanks Eric 😊
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! That... damage is an understated word... rapid unscheduled disassembly! My guess as to how that could happen is mixing a bit of nitromethane in with avgas and putting the foot down hard. You might have to do a bit of computer bypassing to get it to run at that speed on that hellfire cocktail. There was no hydro-lock there.
every saturday i’m always excited to watch u eric🙏🏽💪🏽
If I still had a shop and blacksmithing, Id love all those chains. They make great knives and other tools.
Yes, its the nice guy with the bad engines. Good luck my friend!
Thank you for the great content. I have been Watching these every Saturday night for two years now! I have learned alot!
Great video, Eric.....that was quite a mess!! I am amazed at how many parts the newer engines have -- gives me a greater appreciation for today's mechanics!
First time watcher (mentioned by Rainman Ray) and really enjoyed it! Great video and fun tear down on an EcoBlast
WOW! I didn't know the first gen 3.5's had cylinder deactivation
It's basically a fun blind touchy feely time replacing those coolant lines on the back of the motor for new turbo replacement. Just did a 2015 both turbs, oil, and coolant lines about a month ago just dont loose the clips!
"Loose the clips" or lose??
@christinesommerfeld9815 my bad lose🤣🤣 those clips are very good at disappearing
The dealer replaced one of my coolant lines and they pull the connector out of the block and replace it at the same time. It comes with the clip already installed. (Part #BL3Z6A968JD).
Eric, you need to do a Q&A one night - just take a bunch of Qs and answer them. like "What do you think about all those plastic parts in high-temp areas"??
Do you have an employee tasked with gathering up the parts you so nonchalantly toss aside?
I love that part of the show… keep it up!!
Even with great maintenance, the Ecoboost engines are sometimes troublesome, from what I've seen on forums. I myself owned a 2.0L and it was fantastic. Only things I ever worried about was the turbo or the direct injection causing issues later down the line, but it never got to that point in the 2 years that I had it (was in a 14 fusion titanium).
Either way it's anecdotal but great teardown as always, Eric! Look forward to all of your videos.
ALL ford turbo engines are pure garbage . they have so many issues from cracked blocks to failed turbos to leaking everything etc.... I HATE these engines. had one wirh an injector problem . injector was seized in head so had to replace cyl head too, so from a simple repair turned into a 5k job
They are NOT troublesome if and I mean if they are properly maintained. By the way I am a retired certified ford tech!
@@peterpeter5666 the 2L is stout. There's tons of examples of those going over 200k without issue. Im at 192k with one and it still doesn't burn a drop of oil. Siezed injector is probably the result of using crap gas.
impossible a turbo doesnt burn oil! Been as tech for 38 years ALL TURBOS burn oil and antifreeze !!! never seen one that didnt!@@ifixthings86
been a tech for 38 years and still going ! @@mustangmanmustangman4596
Thank you for you support to help with good videos on tear downs
Holy carnage! 😆
Definitely looks like a fueling or tuning issue... The other pistons were looking a bit rough on the combustion surface 🤔
I don't trust direct injection for longevity!
Hey there Ivan!
If you want to raise your machinist's blood pressure, ship him the block with the broken pieces in that oil filter box and ask if he can weld it back together
What... can't you just JB Weld it??!! 😂
Just use some super glue
lol
Just fill it in with some Bondo and cover it with some metallic paint. No one will notice.
You laugh, but we weld damaged blocks back together all the time, stuff way way worst than this. It just wouldn't be worthwhile on this guy. I gotta LS3 crate motor that launched a rod on the dyno, we'll do a little welding to the messed up bores new sleeves and no one will ever know.
"This looks like it would be fairly impossible in the truck." Yes, that's because Ford didn't design it to be done while still in the truck. All engine components other than the spark plugs are meant to be an engine removal before changing them. Because they literally only design it to go together at the factory.
Thank you Greg and Eric for another wonderful teardown video!
That's it! I'm putting my foot down about this and I need to see the pile of chains you have been saving since you started or whatever masterpiece you have been concocting.😂
Those valves were doing a great Michael Jackson impression with that lean
Thanks, Greg, and thank you for Eric for these great videos!
I have 2011 F150 3.5 Ecoboost and I just replaced the valve cover gaskets the other day. I did have to replace the timing about a year and half ago. I also replaced the A/C compressor and Sunday, I am replacing an oxygen sensor. Other than that, this engine in my opinion is awesome. I have 158,700 miles on it.
You had to replace the timing components before 150k miles?
@hokie9910 I bought (better yet "stole" the truck) as is from the dealership when it had 137,000 miles on it. The check engine was on and it was the p0016 code. After getting an oil change done on it, the one guy from the dealership told me that chances are the timing was stretched and the camshaft positioning sensor was fine. Which he was correct. Even though I paid out of my pocket to fix it, I still came out ahead instead of the dealership fixing it and then selling the truck. It was a fresh trade in so they didn't have a full chance to go over the truck.
@@bearing_aficionado What did that cost?
@@hokie9910 for timing chain, guides, 2 cam phasers, and the internal portion of the water pump was $3500
@@hokie9910 I ended up having an independent shop do it because the dealership pissed me off. They had it for a week and still didn't even get to it. The independent shop took it right in and started working on it. Took a week to get done because they had to wait on some of the parts
Eric, your sarcastic humor makes my day! Plus, I really enjoy the teardown and analysis.
Wow. I have a 2012 F150 Ecoboost, bought new. Still running and towing a trailer. Hope it still runs well for the next few years!
Interesting timing chain, gears can latch on both sides with a different design for each side.
It's bad when I start to have the exact same reactions as him in the tear downs. I literally went "look a perflectly good wrist pin!" 2 seconds later "a ready to install wrist pin."
Wasn't aware Ford offered cylinder deactivation on its Ecoboost engines.
My 2020 Ecoboost lost it’s top end at 36k miles. Ford replaced the entire engine. The service manager told me they are 50k mile motors at best. I traded it on for a 2016 Tundra 5.7 V8. Now have 146k miles on it, NOT ONE SINGLE ISSUE. Gas, yes. But a real V8 and unstoppable.
There are many of these engines running well over 50k. I would say that service manager had an axe to grind. That "50k mile motor at best" comment doesn't pass the sniff test.
Why would he sing the praises of a boosted v-6 that routinely fails while still under powertrain warranty? He has to deal with pissed customers and pissed techs that have to repair them for lousy Ford Warranty Time. If a service manager has something negative to say about one of their vehicles a person would be wise to listen to him.
thanks greg! thank you eric for the teardown time and info i’m grateful
I really like it when you run the pan glitter through the parts washer. Really shows the damage.
Nice to see that you follow Andrew Camerata .....
Good evening Eric. Eco boost tonight. The damage will be great tonight. Rod knock to the extreme.
Seeing you tearing down these engines and it’s always the same problem ,they didn’t change the oil, makes me want to go change my oil and i just changed it 500 miles ago.
Thanks Greg.
I do believe those are the updated cam phaser designs. The closed off face is what the new ones had the internals exposed on every one I’ve done
Thanks Greg!
17:02 "...now this is a chain!!"
You missed the obvious jokes about the chain guides being OFF THE CHAIN!!!
LOL
I love seeing a title containing the phrase, "COLOSSAL ENGINE DAMAGE."😂
Ecoboosts with the max cooling tow package last longest. Provided that u don't actually tow, that is.
Same recommendation I made to Ray with his camera, as I will make to you with your camera, is if it has a lens that can be removed, check for a switch on the lens body that has AF next to it, that's auto focus. Usually it's also on some lenses, near the focus ring, This is of course if your camera has a separate lens that can be swapped for others. Auto focus can be decent but not super helpful sometimes really. (really great for still images, not so great for recording videos.)
Thanks mate. Appreciate your efforts!
Thank you Eric! I enjoy these videos as I like machinery and find the design of some engines quite interesting. It's also quite fun to see how they self-destruct due to owner neglect or some engineering issue. :) Thanks for making them.
I'd like to see the last iteration of the transverse Iron Duke (Tech IV) torn down, I really want to see exactly how exactly the oil system with that funky cartridge filter is setup.
Would love to see a Volkswagen 2.0 TDI. If mine ever blows up I'll send it your way lol.
I’m guessing HumbleMechanic maybe has done one; I know he’s done the gas engines.
That thing is as long as a V8! Amazing how much room the timing components require.
I had the same Ecojunk. 2012 F150 Platinum. 90k miles. It chucked its water pump and both turbos
The big thing with these engines (and really any modern engine) is change your oil. Don't go 10k between oil changes. 4k between oil changes and they are fairly reliable.
These engines have one major issue that I know of: the water pump likes to break. The issue with that is not the part, which isn't too expensive IIRC, but the replacement. It's super buried behind a whole lot of stuff.
My old 2012 3.5 has same sound, i replaced cam phaser and chain and still knocking so I F it took for drive then did a WOT then the number 3 piston exploded and rod went through the block. Got a used engine and tune it with E30 it kick ass now
Thanks Greg, pretty cool watching an engine you gave ripped apart huh?
And I was going to go to sleep... feels like I have another 45 minutes of staying awake
super interesting - so higher mileage, likely driven hard with average to marginal maintenance and a bit of bad luck. Thanks for the vid sir.
2:32 Ahh, yes, the modern day diagnostic technique of 'warm up the parts cannon'. A few minutes with a mechanic's stethescope would have saved countless hours of swearing and hundreds in parts here.
Ford Ecoboost engines have some fairly small oil passages. Conventional oil not changed often enough forms sludge deposits in the small passages. The sludge blocks the passages which starves the engine for oil. You must use synthetic oil and change it regularly.
Yay! Always happy to see you post. Keep it up