You doing the side by side shot of the oil belt vs oil chain is absolutely wonderful, keeps consumers informed on potential problems KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK 😅
That belt isnt a potential problem, its a guaranteed problem as shown other videos already on YT about the belts shredding before breaking and plugging the oil pick up. It seems Ford engineers thought they were such a good idea that they implemented the new Coyote 5,0 with that junk idea.
@@burntnougat5341 nope, serious as can be. Not only the 2.7, 3.5 and 5.0s but majority of the ecoboosts since 2016-17 has been belt driven oil pumps and seen some brands had wet timing belts come apart but remember that they are claimed to be “lifetime of the engine” belts. Well when they come apart the engines are destroyed so yea thats the end of their life at that point. I was going to post a pic of a buddys 2022 F150 torn down with the belt driven oil pump but i cant here
i replaced the turbo oil feed filters/screens on mine @ 120K miles, they were surprisingly clean, its a good PM to do though.. my 2.7 is on a Fusion sport.
The oil filter will trap everything, so the cam solenoid screens got stuff from some place else. I think the cam things are a dead end, the oil to them isn't full flow, just on & off, so the bits must come from inside them.
There was a problem with both generations of the 2.7L whereas the engine would burn oil for a brief period after a cold start, particularly if you parked on a hill. IIRC, the fix was to replace the driver's side turbo oil line with an updated part.
@@2strokeFORever Supply. It's almost identical from the outside. I think the turbo side on the new part has one o-ring where the OE part had two. Not sure how that effects it.
Fun With Turbos! Take some exhaust "els" and weld them together so that you form a tube that takes the air from the compressor wheel and leads it to the turbine. NOW, install a bung for a tube that can be connected to a propane tank with a valve. And a bung for a spark plug and it's electronic unit with D-cell batteries. Using a small pump, provide oil flow for the turbo center section bearings. Now, hook up the propane tank. Turn on the pump for the oil. Use a leaf blower into the intake of the compressor to get the turbo up to speed. When it is at max speed that your leaf blower can make, turn on the spark and slowly open the propane valve with the spark firing. You now own a turbojet engine, and you will hear it slowly increase in speed to the point where it will idle without the blower. If you increase the propane, you increase the speed of the rotating assembly to the point where it blows apart, I urge caution....
This is another great tear down. I like Ford because they think of the little things, like owning a complete tool set but not using most of it, Ford makes sure to include every size of fastener from standard, metric, torx, hex, 3 square, you name it they include it. I would like to thank you for creating a channel and sticking to the foundations that make great content. Informative and, entertaining. This channel has grown and developed into a masterpiece, and speaking of things that have grown.... no not that..... your engine "shelf" is taking over your shop one wall at a time and will soon bury you in all the unopened treasures of malice held within the combustion palace, most simply refer to as a "core". Keep up the great content and new things.
Thanks Eric for the great videos. Talk about Ford tools, my Dad came across a new Ford owner in the 1950s, he had a flat tire, first the jack wasn't strong enough, so while waiting for someone to come along he thought he might as well loosen the nuts! The Ford supplied wheel spanner just finished up ROUND.
Its also possible the engine being turbo direct injection, had an LSPI(low speed preignition) event. LSPIs can knock on the order of 15+ megapascals that can break a piston crown or ring land in an instant. By the time you hear marbles in a can is already too late. After that it can just burn oil and run until it burns through the rest of the piston, which can take a while with vastly increased oil consumption. API SP oil was developed specifically to help reduce LPSI events.
Yep, when I saw the broken top land I figured LSPI. These LSPI events plague all TDI engines from all manufacturers and were a major investigation/development/investment area prior to the massive investments in electric drives.
The reason the oil pump chain is between the cam chains is cylinder offset. One bank is always further forward so you have an empty space perfect to run an oil pump.
I thought it was pretty obvious just by looking at the position of the timing chains, I don't know why Eric questioned the placement of the oil pump chain.
Just because the geometry informed the engineering, does not mean it's a good design. He's perfectly right to question it because he thinks like a tech and it's just one more snag due to short sighted engineering.
I had 2011,2013,2014 F150s with the 3.5 turbo and loved everyone....i changed the oil every 2500 miles....that motor never failed me and great on gas also...drove from lexington KY to Erie Pa on 1 tank of fuel...i think thats awsome
Sir, stand up and take a bow as you definitely have your masters……..master of understatement being part of it 😊 Love the videos and the gentle, offbeat, humorous commentary that come with them 👌👌
Another interesting teardown. Never know what you're going to find on one of these. Thanks for my Saturday night entertainment Eric. Keep the teardowns coming.
"Breaking the seal" is a term used by my friends and I to describe the first time you urinate during a night of drinking. You want to prolong breaking the seal as much as possible because you will have to visit the bathroom regularly from that point on.
i have this motor on a Fusion sport, it rocks! tons of torque and excellent power on the top end 5-6K RPM, i have seen 140+ mph dozens of times. I have 125K miles and zero mechanical issues other than some minor vacuum leaks and a purge valve! maybe its the Mobil1 5W40 since day 1 at 5,000 mile intervals
I drove a Fusion Sport, ended up buying a new Hemi Charger but did like the Ford. Every time I see dark wheels on a Fusion I then look for the 4 pipes- very rarely is there joy.
@@I_Do_Cars great video of the Ford deception "built Tough " yep The entire motor is made that way cheap turbos, injector metal , oil pan etc etc look at the rods how dinky they are . they may be powerful for a time, but they are only made to go a short distance. Ford = get consumers money and run , meanwhile your left with plastic junk , inferior metal motor junk assembled like a high tech lawnmower . Its better to buy a chevy truck with LS ( even small LS or even v6 ) and put a 70-80mm turbo on it and you have More power , less parts , one timing chain, one cam, real metal oil pan etc, It amazing of what ford corporate money greed created junk they come up with to sell to consumers . yep meanwhile your left with failing motor parts back and forth to the dealer bleeding your wallet to death
I think that's the first time I've heard you say "exquisite"... Lol! That water pump too... Like a boss... I've had three different vehicles with the 2.7 and have had no issues, personally think they are great motors. Thanks for the great content!
I cant believe you got ahold of two in just a short time. It's educational to see how they change Gen 1 to Gen 2 even in your 3.5 EcoBoost tear downs as a Ford man this gives me more in-depth knowledge for the next time I got to tear one of these down.
I'd say that oilpump is pretty much the most robust design of an oilpump ive ever seen. Its not immune to damage from metal, but because of the floating vane design id say its self-healing any scratches or scoring.
A good friend had one of these in a 2013 F-150. It had runability problems that after many trips to FORD it was STILL not fixed! He left the dealership shop where he had bought it and got on the freeway onramp which was right in front of the dealership and stomped on the gas. The engine went 'BOOM' in smoke and steam so bad that a piston came out of the block with so much force that it bent the motor mount. Ford then gave him a new engine. Turns out to have been that an injector was loading up. He told them!
yep they may be powerful for a time, but they are only made to go a short distance. Ford = get consumers money and run , meanwhile your left with plastic junk , inferior metal motor junk assembled like a high tech lawnmower
Thanks to you and your videos I have now become good at maintaining my vehicle. Ive been wrenching every day for 25 years and at the end of the day the last thing I want to do is change my oil or replace parts on my own stuff. However you have shown me the importance of even merely simple general maintenance and what it can prevent. Thanks for that. As a mechanic I knew but as many of us do I brushed it off as not being as important as it is and led myself to believe it'll be fine.
Nice work, as always. It's amazing that these tiny turbocharged engines last as long as they do in a truck. You mentioned a cylinder liner. However, it looks as though the block is iron. And what a bizarre block it is, BTW. Very creative, smart people designed this... unfortunately, they were tasked with doing the impossible, IMO.
From your side by side of the oil pump chain and belt it looks like the threads are still in the block on the 18+ engines for the chain guides. Looks like all you would need is two new gears, guides and chain.
The only one of these we had to replace at our shop was because of neglected maintenance. It had been 40,000 miles on an oil change. The rest of our customers that have have not had any major issues.
The shear complexity of these new engines is so scary. I can see why many veteran mechanics abandoned this trade. I cant picture working on these disasters in an engine bay of a pickup or suv. In 61 and owned 34 vehicles in my lifetime . A simple 4 barrel carburetor with a single turbo would work. EPA Gansters Destroyed the auto industry and back yard mechanics. Course this was done on PURPOSE. No wonder why modern engines have so many issues. Look at the Rats nest wiring harness and everything attaches to it. Great video, thanks.
Your channel is fantastic, I would love to see a motorcycle engine teardown, something like a 4-cylinder Hayabusa, so that we can understand the differences compared to an automotive one.
given the context that this motor came out of an f150, with the clues of lean burn, overheating, and lack of an explosive failure. it seems pretty clear (to me) that this was possibly a towing failure the turbos were completely spooled (lean) for a long time (loaded, overheat) at a low rpm (no big boom) and it [melted] the motor as a result. am i correct? maybe not, but this motor doesnt look like it was abused like most of the other motors that you see. its the most likely scenario in my mind.
Once you showed all the oil in one turbo/exhaust port, but the engine hadn’t ventilated itself and there weren’t a ton of metal pieces around the engine, I was pretty sure it was going to be a broken piston ring land. Pretty common on DI turbo engines, especially in trucks because they cruise down the freeway at 10-15psi of boost at 2000rpm. Could be a lean cylinder, or it could have been getting a bunch of crankcase vent vapors.
What about carbon on the valves causing incomplete sealing and hot spots? I bet there was preignition from a hot valve lip which did the initial damage and pulverized the crown, then it started burning through the exposed ring area and blowing oil.
I'm not very knowledgeable on these Ford's but could have it been a stuck injector or one that's spraying too much? From how the pistons looked the entire engine was lean.
@@Mis73rRand0m I think incomplete sealing of the valves would lower cyl pressure. Lower compression stops preignition. Hot spot on leaking exhaust could light the charge but should not hurt the piston without having full compression.
I think the positioning of the three chains, timing, oil pump, timing, makes sense. Not from an ease of maintenance point of view, but from a use of space one. When the offset between the two banks is two chain-width, yu space the two timing chains that far apart, and yu hav a gap on the crankshaft where yu can put a third chain.
No disrespect about the ford 2.7 They did an excellent job of engineering an engine with the maximum number of covers, gaskets, o-rings, electrical connectors, hoses, cooling fittings, brackets, wires, and all at the same time a complex fuel and turbo system.
Hey man, thanks for doing this tear down. I have torn down a 2018 2.7 motor. I have several videos on it. I will say, the motor I did the pistons were much harder to remove unlike the ones you removed. Thanks for making this video.
Wooohoo! Saturday overnight shift, crocheting Christmas presents and watching a new engine tear down. Only thing that could make it better would be a nice big margarita but I'm at work so it's a nitro cold brew.
13:25 Pausing it here to make a prediction.... burned/holed piston, or a collapsed ring land. Onwards, let's see how wrong I could be! EDIT: 31:27 CALLED IT! ED ED: How? You showed it... oil out the exhaust, no clackiness when you turned it over, lack of flakes but metal present, metal appeared more granular or globular, and the engine apparently ran poorly enough to warrant replacing. Blowby would have been horrid, smoked like a chimney, lankey idle, oil smelling of fuel, etc.
The water pump sequence ... in around 2006 I worked in a computer repair shop that just happened to have a forklift. I had a customer ask me to destroy a hard drive for him, I didn't ask what for or why ... I went out and used the trusty forklift to flatten the drive. Just one thing though ... that old Yale forklift did nothing to the drive aside from embedding it into the asphalt (hot Arizona summer). I had pry the drive out of the asphalt with a large screwdriver. Board on the drive was destroyed but that old Maxtor drive otherwise didn't flinch. Wound up taking a cross peen hammer to it to finish the job the forklift could not.
Id love to see a Ford 3.0 v6 from the late 00s like an older escape or fusion. Those engines leaked oil from everywhere and some had a cam driven water pump
i would like to see that too... i have one in my 2008 Escape the engine is a beast and runs GOOD! @130K but at 80k it had all its gaskets replaced under the warranty i had. its all so on its 3rd transmission and PTU lol now i change the PTU oil every other oil change.
140K on my 07 Mazda 6 (cousin to the ford fusion) with the same engine and still running fine. Only some minor seepage from a valve cover gasket to report which is somewhat surprising since those covers have a tendency to warp and leak badly.
My 2007 fusion has a camshaft driven water pump. It was super bizarre to me. Never saw anything like that before. And yes, the rear valve cover leaks like a mofo. The front one got replaced by the previous owner.
I recognize this failure. If it's the truck im thinking of, The truck it came out of was turned all the way up and running VERY lean due to lack of available injector volume.
My 2016 F150 2.7 has 96k miles and run great. It still get 18 mpg mix driving and does not use any oil. I've never had the intake valves clean. Diesel engines have direct injection and no one ever talk about those valve building up carbon.
@@francistheodorecattealmost every diesel vehicle sold in the usa (and probably elsewhere) are required to have an egr by law. What are you talking abkut?
Thank you, Eric, very much enjoyed it. Having a 2.7 Fusion Sport this is the closest we'll get to seeing our motors (I doubt you'll get one of those). I sure wish they had put a little port squirter in ours as well, but c'est la vie.
I bought a new 2016 F-150 XLT 2.7 FX4 it has 345,000 miles and I’m getting ready to replace the turbos that’s about all I’ve done to the engine beyond replacing 1 plastic oil pan.
The 1st gen 2.7s are known for misfires due to carbon buildup on intake valves. My girlfriend's sister's 15 had both heads replaced under warranty because she baby's it, and it never sees above 20% engine load.
What if the engineers had succeeded in keeping some engines port-injected? Would have succeeded in so many ways even much cleaner emissions through better fuel atomization
This year engine is prone to fuel injector issues with the ones running E-85. The injector would clog up partly and cause an extreme lean condition. It would have thrown a code and turned the check engine light on, but by that time most of the damage would have been done. There is a TSB to run a fuel additive when using E-85 to keep the injectors from clogging up.
Somewhere I read that engine was developed with BMW, but I can't find the reference. That oil pan IS one use only! They have redesigned it, but once you take it off, it's around 175$ to replace. You opened one up here, and you saw a s***load of bonding sealer on it. Some people try to reuse, and they usually have seepage and leaks. They also seem to seep around the oil sender. I still like this engine very much, with the chain driven oil pump, and somehow add the port injectors.
My stepfather had a 15 F150 with the 2.7, and it had a catastrophic failure around 80k miles while towing thrir 5k lb camper. It was losing power and shaking like an earthquake. They towed it to the dealer, and they refused to say what the problem was. He has since upgraded to a 19 F150 with the Coyote 5.0 and vowed to never buy an EcoBoost again
Yeah idk. I've never in my years had a dealer refuse to tell me what is wrong with my car, especially if it comes in on the hook. The story does not add up.
OK, but what fuel was he using? If you're using 87 while towing and have your foot to the floorboard, like your trying to qualify for the Indy 500, chances are you're asking for trouble. Just like regular oil changes are cheap maintenance, if you planning on towing, a tank or 2 of 91 will go a long way to prolonging your engines life.
Also, when servicing one of these if you have to replace the oil pump drive the replacement parts are a wet belt. The chain and tensioners are obsolete.
Invaluable information! I have a 17' Edge Sport with that same motor. Awesome to know all these details about my engine including a huge relief I have a chain not a belt on the oil pump. The 2018 2.7L video had me worried lol. Carbon build up is definitely the worst thing I have heard but it's all about regular maintenance and maintaing it. Thank you for the great video!
Regular maintenance wont have any impact on the carbon problem...on even the best maintained DI engine it's a simple matter of time and the EGR system dumping oil back into the top end where it always ends up on the intake valves. The only true solution is an engine with a split fuel rail incorporating both direct and port FI to keep the intake valves washed clean.
Looks like a new product line in the making... A "Water cooler for concrete pads." Installation is the key for all DYI-ers if you're really going to cool properly as the concrete pad watercooler must be permanently set with formed concrete only.
21:28 Shows there is little difference between the wet belt model and the chain driven oil pump model. It should be possible to convert back to a chain drive if desired. The tensioner mounting holes are the same position, although appear to not be tapped, and the cogs should be a straight swap. It's evident this is to save on production costs only and not for ease of maintenance.
Love this channel. Coming from South Africa, I would never buy a Ford. They are mechanically not sound anymore. And have been so for a long time (its my opinion so do not feel to disrespected Ford nuts) Toyota on the other hand are in my opinion (again) the best, the automotive industry has produced.
You're usually pretty mellow and conversational in your videos, but the attempt (and especially the failure) to break the water pump was like one of those short videos where a zombie pops up at the end, accompanied by scary sound effects. Well played lol.
Tripped me out to not see the radiator hose you cut with the reciprocating saw and threw into the bin actually make the trip. Looks like it teleported.
I have a catch can on mine and I wish it had the dual injection of the 18 plus trucks. i love it though i drive mine hard at least a couple times a drive and i still get 21.5 mpg
That engine looks sturdy. It could be a Toyota or Honda engine from 2015. The chain guides looking good is a good sign. The plastic oil pans were a sore spot and the updated pan with a groove and seal instead of full RTV doesn't work because of oil pickup tube or some other item integrated in the pan that changed. I'm surprised one of the aftermarket companies hasn't stepped in with a gasketed pan.
Nice video . The guy maneuvering the truck (18:30) while you checked the quality of the pump in the backyard :" ah , he's checking the water pumps again ... " :3
You doing the side by side shot of the oil belt vs oil chain is absolutely wonderful, keeps consumers informed on potential problems
KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK 😅
That belt isnt a potential problem, its a guaranteed problem as shown other videos already on YT about the belts shredding before breaking and plugging the oil pick up. It seems Ford engineers thought they were such a good idea that they implemented the new Coyote 5,0 with that junk idea.
@@young11984you're kidding? A belt like that in the 5.0 v8?
@@burntnougat5341 nope, serious as can be. Not only the 2.7, 3.5 and 5.0s but majority of the ecoboosts since 2016-17 has been belt driven oil pumps and seen some brands had wet timing belts come apart but remember that they are claimed to be “lifetime of the engine” belts. Well when they come apart the engines are destroyed so yea thats the end of their life at that point. I was going to post a pic of a buddys 2022 F150 torn down with the belt driven oil pump but i cant here
not in this video right?
@@young119843.5 is chain driven
I think the oil filter and all of those little screens did a great job keeping most of the damage out of the top end.
i replaced the turbo oil feed filters/screens on mine @ 120K miles, they were surprisingly clean, its a good PM to do though.. my 2.7 is on a Fusion sport.
Before I throw my tools at the wall because I'm stuck on something I pick myself up and say it's fine...
@@gamingwithzan4654 it’s not an easy job
The oil filter will trap everything, so the cam solenoid screens got stuff from some place else. I think the cam things are a dead end, the oil to them isn't full flow, just on & off, so the bits must come from inside them.
@@alro2434 True, nevertheless, those little screens did their job.
There was a problem with both generations of the 2.7L whereas the engine would burn oil for a brief period after a cold start, particularly if you parked on a hill. IIRC, the fix was to replace the driver's side turbo oil line with an updated part.
They did that on my 17 and it fixed the problem.
The drivers supply or drain line?
@@2strokeFORever Supply. It's almost identical from the outside. I think the turbo side on the new part has one o-ring where the OE part had two. Not sure how that effects it.
I think we need a full on Office Space style beat down on a water pump. (In the style of the laser printer execution)😂
Drive over one with a tank? That sort of thing?
F that. Do a basketball pickup match with one.
Yes. Sic Michael Bolton on one.
Lol while playing the same Ghetto Boys song from that scene as well.
“Die mf’er, die mf’er, kill.”
It was a fax machine. But yes, we need this.
The main thing I learned from this video is that Ford really knows how to build a water pump.
Unless it's a 3.5L 😢
Not really they use a plastic impeller
Fun With Turbos!
Take some exhaust "els" and weld them together so that you form a tube that takes the air from the compressor wheel and leads it to the turbine. NOW, install a bung for a tube that can be connected to a propane tank with a valve. And a bung for a spark plug and it's electronic unit with D-cell batteries. Using a small pump, provide oil flow for the turbo center section bearings.
Now, hook up the propane tank. Turn on the pump for the oil. Use a leaf blower into the intake of the compressor to get the turbo up to speed. When it is at max speed that your leaf blower can make, turn on the spark and slowly open the propane valve with the spark firing. You now own a turbojet engine, and you will hear it slowly increase in speed to the point where it will idle without the blower.
If you increase the propane, you increase the speed of the rotating assembly to the point where it blows apart, I urge caution....
Most inefficient way imo
Caution is for wusses
Do you kick it off with “hold my beer”
@@DonI-cg1we Only if it is Pabst Blue Ribbon.....
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Eric, I don’t know how you manage to keep it family friendly while tearing motors down. I end up creating new swear words when I deal with them.
You only got one job to do.
So true. It’s that or throwing tools for me. 😂
This is another great tear down. I like Ford because they think of the little things, like owning a complete tool set but not using most of it, Ford makes sure to include every size of fastener from standard, metric, torx, hex, 3 square, you name it they include it. I would like to thank you for creating a channel and sticking to the foundations that make great content. Informative and, entertaining. This channel has grown and developed into a masterpiece, and speaking of things that have grown.... no not that..... your engine "shelf" is taking over your shop one wall at a time and will soon bury you in all the unopened treasures of malice held within the combustion palace, most simply refer to as a "core". Keep up the great content and new things.
Thanks Eric for the great videos. Talk about Ford tools, my Dad came across a new Ford owner in the 1950s, he had a flat tire, first the jack wasn't strong enough, so while waiting for someone to come along he thought he might as well loosen the nuts! The Ford supplied wheel spanner just finished up ROUND.
Its also possible the engine being turbo direct injection, had an LSPI(low speed preignition) event. LSPIs can knock on the order of 15+ megapascals that can break a piston crown or ring land in an instant. By the time you hear marbles in a can is already too late. After that it can just burn oil and run until it burns through the rest of the piston, which can take a while with vastly increased oil consumption. API SP oil was developed specifically to help reduce LPSI events.
Yep, when I saw the broken top land I figured LSPI. These LSPI events plague all TDI engines from all manufacturers and were a major investigation/development/investment area prior to the massive investments in electric drives.
Blue - best supporting actor in a prying role!
The dude backing his truck in at the next lot must have been thinking, what the hell is that dude doing with that loader to something on the ground?
Just seeing you fight with the harness reminds me I have to change my 2.7's plugs in 10k miles.
The reason the oil pump chain is between the cam chains is cylinder offset. One bank is always further forward so you have an empty space perfect to run an oil pump.
I thought it was pretty obvious just by looking at the position of the timing chains, I don't know why Eric questioned the placement of the oil pump chain.
Just because the geometry informed the engineering, does not mean it's a good design. He's perfectly right to question it because he thinks like a tech and it's just one more snag due to short sighted engineering.
a garbage design
A V6 has a greater offset than the V8.
@@Mis73rRand0m Have you ever worked in any type of automotive engineering and seen constraints and regulations that must be met with modern vehicles?
I keep waiting for the day we get a VW VR6 engine, or W8/12
I had 2011,2013,2014 F150s with the 3.5 turbo and loved everyone....i changed the oil every 2500 miles....that motor never failed me and great on gas also...drove from lexington KY to Erie Pa on 1 tank of fuel...i think thats awsome
Sir, stand up and take a bow as you definitely have your masters……..master of understatement being part of it 😊
Love the videos and the gentle, offbeat, humorous commentary that come with them 👌👌
Another interesting teardown. Never know what you're going to find on one of these. Thanks for my Saturday night entertainment Eric. Keep the teardowns coming.
"Breaking the seal" is a term used by my friends and I to describe the first time you urinate during a night of drinking. You want to prolong breaking the seal as much as possible because you will have to visit the bathroom regularly from that point on.
My entire existence is solely to experience the sound of cracking the cam caps loose.
Ehh...... I'm more partial to the cracking of Head bolts, but Cam bolts are nice.
Don’t you mean cramming the crap caps?
Cam the crack caps
i have this motor on a Fusion sport, it rocks! tons of torque and excellent power on the top end 5-6K RPM, i have seen 140+ mph dozens of times. I have 125K miles and zero mechanical issues other than some minor vacuum leaks and a purge valve! maybe its the Mobil1 5W40 since day 1 at 5,000 mile intervals
I drove a Fusion Sport, ended up buying a new Hemi Charger but did like the Ford. Every time I see dark wheels on a Fusion I then look for the 4 pipes- very rarely is there joy.
@@emmexfyv yup the dark wheels, nice thing is this is a company car👌🏼
I Agree with you on the Port Injection… it’s tried and true and usually wont cause catastrophic engine failure when something goes wrong.
I commented to a friend asking for a teardown, 3 minutes later you deliver. It's fate.
Fate?! Or destiny?
It’s density
@@I_Do_Cars That water pump has density, that's for sure. Can't believe your forklift lost!
@@I_Do_Cars great video of the Ford deception "built Tough " yep The entire motor is made that way cheap turbos, injector metal , oil pan etc etc look at the rods how dinky they are . they may be powerful for a time, but they are only made to go a short distance. Ford = get consumers money and run , meanwhile your left with plastic junk , inferior metal motor junk assembled like a high tech lawnmower . Its better to buy a chevy truck with LS ( even small LS or even v6 ) and put a 70-80mm turbo on it and you have More power , less parts , one timing chain, one cam, real metal oil pan etc, It amazing of what ford corporate money greed created junk they come up with to sell to consumers . yep meanwhile your left with failing motor parts back and forth to the dealer bleeding your wallet to death
I think that's the first time I've heard you say "exquisite"... Lol! That water pump too... Like a boss... I've had three different vehicles with the 2.7 and have had no issues, personally think they are great motors. Thanks for the great content!
My buddy tries to impress girls by drawing realistic pictures of Ford F-150's.
He's... a pickup artist.
😆
I cant believe you got ahold of two in just a short time. It's educational to see how they change Gen 1 to Gen 2 even in your 3.5 EcoBoost tear downs as a Ford man this gives me more in-depth knowledge for the next time I got to tear one of these down.
The water pump routine keeps getting better and better!
I'd say that oilpump is pretty much the most robust design of an oilpump ive ever seen. Its not immune to damage from metal, but because of the floating vane design id say its self-healing any scratches or scoring.
A good friend had one of these in a 2013 F-150. It had runability problems that after many trips to FORD it was STILL not fixed! He left the dealership shop where he had bought it and got on the freeway onramp which was right in front of the dealership and stomped on the gas. The engine went 'BOOM' in smoke and steam so bad that a piston came out of the block with so much force that it bent the motor mount. Ford then gave him a new engine. Turns out to have been that an injector was loading up. He told them!
yep they may be powerful for a time, but they are only made to go a short distance. Ford = get consumers money and run , meanwhile your left with plastic junk , inferior metal motor junk assembled like a high tech lawnmower
2013 is a 3.5L
Thanks to you and your videos I have now become good at maintaining my vehicle. Ive been wrenching every day for 25 years and at the end of the day the last thing I want to do is change my oil or replace parts on my own stuff. However you have shown me the importance of even merely simple general maintenance and what it can prevent. Thanks for that. As a mechanic I knew but as many of us do I brushed it off as not being as important as it is and led myself to believe it'll be fine.
Been there, done that.
I have a Diesel motorhome now, all the more important to not let the oil get overloaded with carbon.
Nice work, as always. It's amazing that these tiny turbocharged engines last as long as they do in a truck. You mentioned a cylinder liner. However, it looks as though the block is iron. And what a bizarre block it is, BTW. Very creative, smart people designed this... unfortunately, they were tasked with doing the impossible, IMO.
This is the graphite impregnated cast iron block like diesels have.
A stock tune will pull the timing back and possibly add fuel if the engine pings excessively. This was a bad injector, or a cowboy tune.
From your side by side of the oil pump chain and belt it looks like the threads are still in the block on the 18+ engines for the chain guides. Looks like all you would need is two new gears, guides and chain.
Assuming no interference from the timing cover, yeah probably
The only one of these we had to replace at our shop was because of neglected maintenance. It had been 40,000 miles on an oil change. The rest of our customers that have have not had any major issues.
Not sure the recommended, but do every 5K with Mobil1 in my ‘17
@@richtes
Oil is cheap, mine is a 14, I change it every 5,000 regardless of what the book says.
😂 47:25 I run 15W40 diesel oil in my 35
The shear complexity of these new engines is so scary. I can see why many veteran mechanics abandoned this trade. I cant picture working on these disasters in an engine bay of a pickup or suv. In 61 and owned 34 vehicles in my lifetime . A simple 4 barrel carburetor with a single turbo would work. EPA Gansters Destroyed the auto industry and back yard mechanics. Course this was done on PURPOSE. No wonder why modern engines have so many issues. Look at the Rats nest wiring harness and everything attaches to it. Great video, thanks.
They are quite fun to drive
I loved the chop-saw dissection of the oil filter.
Thanks Troy, Eric, and Eric.
SOOOOOOO MUCH GOOD INFO IN THIS ONE ERIC!! THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME! I WONDER HOW MANY ENGINE REBUILDS HE HAS DONE...
Your channel is fantastic, I would love to see a motorcycle engine teardown, something like a 4-cylinder Hayabusa, so that we can understand the differences compared to an automotive one.
given the context that this motor came out of an f150, with the clues of lean burn, overheating, and lack of an explosive failure. it seems pretty clear (to me) that this was possibly a towing failure
the turbos were completely spooled (lean) for a long time (loaded, overheat) at a low rpm (no big boom) and it [melted] the motor as a result.
am i correct? maybe not, but this motor doesnt look like it was abused like most of the other motors that you see. its the most likely scenario in my mind.
Its that time of the week ladies and gentlemen. Buckle up and enjoy the ASMR of bolts cracking loose.🎉
"Cram the cam craps loose"
I had a stupid advert right in the middle of bolt cracking.....sheesh !
Just got off work, got home and eating dinner to this week's video thx for the upload Eric! I appreciate your content 😊
Don't break your forklift on that water pump!
It was nice to see a motor that had not sat outside in the rain for months.
Even our junk gets complements 😂 Hopefully we get something else cool to send down for another video in the future.
Looking at the open bolt holes on the block by the oil pump, I'm willing to bet you could swap it for a chain as well.
Comparison between the two is what I'm expecting to see now 👍
LOL. That water pump was tougher than you expected.
“I think there are only a couple 13mm bolts left” *proceeds to remove 23 bolts* 😂😂
Once you showed all the oil in one turbo/exhaust port, but the engine hadn’t ventilated itself and there weren’t a ton of metal pieces around the engine, I was pretty sure it was going to be a broken piston ring land. Pretty common on DI turbo engines, especially in trucks because they cruise down the freeway at 10-15psi of boost at 2000rpm. Could be a lean cylinder, or it could have been getting a bunch of crankcase vent vapors.
What about carbon on the valves causing incomplete sealing and hot spots? I bet there was preignition from a hot valve lip which did the initial damage and pulverized the crown, then it started burning through the exposed ring area and blowing oil.
I'm not very knowledgeable on these Ford's but could have it been a stuck injector or one that's spraying too much? From how the pistons looked the entire engine was lean.
@@Mis73rRand0m I think incomplete sealing of the valves would lower cyl pressure. Lower compression stops preignition. Hot spot on leaking exhaust could light the charge but should not hurt the piston without having full compression.
That turbo is wet because of all the in and out play.
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I think the positioning of the three chains, timing, oil pump, timing, makes sense. Not from an ease of maintenance point of view, but from a use of space one. When the offset between the two banks is two chain-width, yu space the two timing chains that far apart, and yu hav a gap on the crankshaft where yu can put a third chain.
This guy should be sponsored by blackstone oil labs. Every time I watch one of these engine autopsies I want to go change my oil.
Funnily enough, the ad that ran at the beginning of this video was for the Ford F-150. Love these teardowns!
Always coming in clutch with info packed videos i can put on right before bed
No disrespect about the ford 2.7
They did an excellent job of engineering an engine with the maximum number of covers, gaskets, o-rings, electrical connectors, hoses, cooling fittings, brackets, wires, and all at the same time a complex fuel and turbo system.
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Hey man, thanks for doing this tear down. I have torn down a 2018 2.7 motor. I have several videos on it.
I will say, the motor I did the pistons were much harder to remove unlike the ones you removed.
Thanks for making this video.
660c or 1220 degrees in freedom units, spicy indeed good sir. Thanks for another great tear down.
Wooohoo! Saturday overnight shift, crocheting Christmas presents and watching a new engine tear down. Only thing that could make it better would be a nice big margarita but I'm at work so it's a nitro cold brew.
13:25 Pausing it here to make a prediction.... burned/holed piston, or a collapsed ring land. Onwards, let's see how wrong I could be!
EDIT: 31:27 CALLED IT!
ED ED: How? You showed it... oil out the exhaust, no clackiness when you turned it over, lack of flakes but metal present, metal appeared more granular or globular, and the engine apparently ran poorly enough to warrant replacing. Blowby would have been horrid, smoked like a chimney, lankey idle, oil smelling of fuel, etc.
Thank you Troy and eric at Robertsons used auto parts
Love the two stroke sawzall!
The water pump sequence ... in around 2006 I worked in a computer repair shop that just happened to have a forklift. I had a customer ask me to destroy a hard drive for him, I didn't ask what for or why ... I went out and used the trusty forklift to flatten the drive. Just one thing though ... that old Yale forklift did nothing to the drive aside from embedding it into the asphalt (hot Arizona summer). I had pry the drive out of the asphalt with a large screwdriver. Board on the drive was destroyed but that old Maxtor drive otherwise didn't flinch. Wound up taking a cross peen hammer to it to finish the job the forklift could not.
Id love to see a Ford 3.0 v6 from the late 00s like an older escape or fusion. Those engines leaked oil from everywhere and some had a cam driven water pump
i would like to see that too... i have one in my 2008 Escape the engine is a beast and runs GOOD! @130K but at 80k it had all its gaskets replaced under the warranty i had.
its all so on its 3rd transmission and PTU lol now i change the PTU oil every other oil change.
I had a 2003 Taurus with the 3.0 Duratec and the valve covers leaked like a mf!
Managed a couple oil changes in the late 2000’s in metro Detroit. Would love to see the Taurus 3.0L on the channel
140K on my 07 Mazda 6 (cousin to the ford fusion) with the same engine and still running fine. Only some minor seepage from a valve cover gasket to report which is somewhat surprising since those covers have a tendency to warp and leak badly.
My 2007 fusion has a camshaft driven water pump. It was super bizarre to me. Never saw anything like that before. And yes, the rear valve cover leaks like a mofo. The front one got replaced by the previous owner.
I recognize this failure. If it's the truck im thinking of, The truck it came out of was turned all the way up and running VERY lean due to lack of available injector volume.
i love the fact he keeps throwing the timing chain guides when they look in good condition, i find it hilarious haha😆
Hope you had a good time in Vegas at SEMA. This will be a great tear down.
Thanks, you're right, the lower block & mains piece is a work of art!
My 2016 F150 2.7 has 96k miles and run great. It still get 18 mpg mix driving and does not use any oil. I've never had the intake valves clean. Diesel engines have direct injection and no one ever talk about those valve building up carbon.
most diesels don't have an EGR system
@@francistheodorecattealmost every diesel vehicle sold in the usa (and probably elsewhere) are required to have an egr by law. What are you talking abkut?
@@francistheodorecatte Who told you that lie? Also, my 2016 2.7 does not have an egr valve.
Should have played The Door's song with the lyric, "Straight on through to the other side!"
Love your videos! If you made “Malice in the combustion chamber palace” and “Forbidden Glitter” t-shirts and stickers I’m sure you’d sell a ton! 😅
Thank you, Eric, very much enjoyed it. Having a 2.7 Fusion Sport this is the closest we'll get to seeing our motors (I doubt you'll get one of those). I sure wish they had put a little port squirter in ours as well, but c'est la vie.
Any issue with ur sport? Just got mine a month ago with 55k miles
ugh - that trashed '95 M at the end breaks my heart! At least you still have those cool rims!
Love when you troll the waterpump /wiring harness crowd. 🤣🤣
I bought a new 2016 F-150 XLT 2.7 FX4 it has 345,000 miles and I’m getting ready to replace the turbos that’s about all I’ve done to the engine beyond replacing 1 plastic oil pan.
"In & out play... not that kind..." 🤣
Thanks for reminding me of that girl in ~2010, Eric. Didn't really need that over coffee this morning.
The 1st gen 2.7s are known for misfires due to carbon buildup on intake valves. My girlfriend's sister's 15 had both heads replaced under warranty because she baby's it, and it never sees above 20% engine load.
What if the engineers had succeeded in keeping some engines port-injected? Would have succeeded in so many ways even much cleaner emissions through better fuel atomization
@@jamesmedina2062 well it's a good thing Ford listens sometimes. I believe all current F150 engines have PI as well as DI.
This year engine is prone to fuel injector issues with the ones running E-85. The injector would clog up partly and cause an extreme lean condition. It would have thrown a code and turned the check engine light on, but by that time most of the damage would have been done. There is a TSB to run a fuel additive when using E-85 to keep the injectors from clogging up.
I was pretty sure none of the Ecoboosts were FlexFuel capable.
E-85 is garbage! I agree with the other commenter. I didn't think these engines were E-85 compatible.
It went right past the check engine light and turned on the fooked engine light.
all to keep the farmers happy:🚜
Somewhere I read that engine was developed with BMW, but I can't find the reference. That oil pan IS one use only! They have redesigned it, but once you take it off, it's around 175$ to replace. You opened one up here, and you saw a s***load of bonding sealer on it. Some people try to reuse, and they usually have seepage and leaks. They also seem to seep around the oil sender. I still like this engine very much, with the chain driven oil pump, and somehow add the port injectors.
That is one very melted piston. I'm impressed.
The GM 2.0 LTG engine has this routine down pat.
I love it when a thought comes to physical reality and it works great...
My stepfather had a 15 F150 with the 2.7, and it had a catastrophic failure around 80k miles while towing thrir 5k lb camper. It was losing power and shaking like an earthquake. They towed it to the dealer, and they refused to say what the problem was.
He has since upgraded to a 19 F150 with the Coyote 5.0 and vowed to never buy an EcoBoost again
Smart man!
Losing power and shaking?
What would that be, something to do with the crankshaft?
@@Spudchucker92 we are clueless. The dealer refused to go down that road
Yeah idk. I've never in my years had a dealer refuse to tell me what is wrong with my car, especially if it comes in on the hook. The story does not add up.
OK, but what fuel was he using? If you're using 87 while towing and have your foot to the floorboard, like your trying to qualify for the Indy 500, chances are you're asking for trouble. Just like regular oil changes are cheap maintenance, if you planning on towing, a tank or 2 of 91 will go a long way to prolonging your engines life.
"I don't know how this connector works" is what I say everytime I encounter a ford electrical connector.
Also, when servicing one of these if you have to replace the oil pump drive the replacement parts are a wet belt. The chain and tensioners are obsolete.
Invaluable information! I have a 17' Edge Sport with that same motor. Awesome to know all these details about my engine including a huge relief I have a chain not a belt on the oil pump. The 2018 2.7L video had me worried lol. Carbon build up is definitely the worst thing I have heard but it's all about regular maintenance and maintaing it. Thank you for the great video!
Regular maintenance wont have any impact on the carbon problem...on even the best maintained DI engine it's a simple matter of time and the EGR system dumping oil back into the top end where it always ends up on the intake valves. The only true solution is an engine with a split fuel rail incorporating both direct and port FI to keep the intake valves washed clean.
Great Video! I was SUPER excited because I thought it was the 2.7L Chevrolet Turbo 4! Can't wait to see the it one day.
I have this engine… and I absolutely love it
I'm guessing it had a fuel injector issue since only one cylinder was bad.
I love all your content. All your responses. And all of your shorts.
This guy should not have access to heavy equipment! But I watched til the end. Can't wait for the next teardown.
Looks like a new product line in the making... A "Water cooler for concrete pads." Installation is the key for all DYI-ers if you're really going to cool properly as the concrete pad watercooler must be permanently set with formed concrete only.
21:28 Shows there is little difference between the wet belt model and the chain driven oil pump model. It should be possible to convert back to a chain drive if desired. The tensioner mounting holes are the same position, although appear to not be tapped, and the cogs should be a straight swap. It's evident this is to save on production costs only and not for ease of maintenance.
Love this channel. Coming from South Africa, I would never buy a Ford. They are mechanically not sound anymore. And have been so for a long time (its my opinion so do not feel to disrespected Ford nuts) Toyota on the other hand are in my opinion (again) the best, the automotive industry has produced.
You're usually pretty mellow and conversational in your videos, but the attempt (and especially the failure) to break the water pump was like one of those short videos where a zombie pops up at the end, accompanied by scary sound effects. Well played lol.
“We could reinstall this”
Tom Bradys it across the garage.
I like your style
Tripped me out to not see the radiator hose you cut with the reciprocating saw and threw into the bin actually make the trip. Looks like it teleported.
Been WAITING for this video!
The methods of water pump destruction are becoming consistently more theatrical!
Love the tear downs! Still waiting for the amg m112k ;)
You should edit the water pump part into a short, that was hilarious!! 😂
I have a catch can on mine and I wish it had the dual injection of the 18 plus trucks. i love it though i drive mine hard at least a couple times a drive and i still get 21.5 mpg
That engine looks sturdy. It could be a Toyota or Honda engine from 2015. The chain guides looking good is a good sign. The plastic oil pans were a sore spot and the updated pan with a groove and seal instead of full RTV doesn't work because of oil pickup tube or some other item integrated in the pan that changed. I'm surprised one of the aftermarket companies hasn't stepped in with a gasketed pan.
I thought it was possible to do a pan swap with an earlier steel pan on some models. I know I'd prefer not to have a plastic oil pan
Nice video . The guy maneuvering the truck (18:30) while you checked the quality of the pump in the backyard :" ah , he's checking the water pumps again ... " :3