This was really insightful, as someone who’s used both. I know you gave them both an 8 but if you could only have 1… (with the home roaster in mind. is one easier to clean and maintain than the other, etc)
@Kyle Rowsell can't wait to see your comparison between the Zero and Duo! Finally committing after justifying putting money aside for years. I don't think I would benefit from The Duo but I still want to buy once and cry once and don't feel like I would have upgraditis like so many (I try hard to get the best value out of stuff, always 4-6 years out of a cell phone (my S10 wouldn't keep a charge), keep my car until it's not reliable etc) so Niche seem to be in a sweet spot for me. Even the burrsets they use. Nothing cutting edge although good solid quality, but extremely affordable to replace if infinity forbid I miss a stone.
These are epic reviews for the more premium home Roasters at $3,000+ market, as someone who’s budget is closer to the $1000-2000 range, I’d be super interested in a comparison if the Ikawa Home vs the Kaffelogic Nano 7!
to clarify its a locked down ecosystem with them pushing their own overpriced beans. and they removed features from the pro that could have easily been there.
Thanks for the awesome review and comparison! I got a freshroast a few years ago, used it a lot, but haven't touched it in at least a year, as it's a lot of work for so little capacity. In your review of the bullet, you mentioned it could be tricky to get the best flavor from high elevation Ethiopians (my favorite), Kenyans, Columbians, and the like. If your primary goal was to get "blueberry bomb" type coffees, would you choose this or the bullet? Thanks again, enjoy your content!
Thanks for the video! I've roasted on the bullet many times, using a friend's. I've been looking for some good comparisons to see which one of these i wanted to buy. Seems like thr m10 might fit what im looking for.
Had an M2 pro for a while. In general I like it and generally drinkable roasts quickly. It has produced some really nice coffees for me, and whilst still learning to control well; BPP is very easy. Would be super interested in any roast curves as ones on support re super odd. Definitely a problem with chaff mess, small beans getting stuck in drum or sucked through fan!! so have to be careful, but overall agree it’s a great roaster. So nice to see reviews about home roasting which are very few and far between - a great piece of content and review
Great to hear your thoughts on roasting Kyle! I may be wrong, but I think it's pronounced Arti-sun, not Ar-te-zhun. I roast with Fresh Roast SR540, and considering stepping up. Thanks!
Been eyeing Kaleido for very long time. With recent Bullet price increase of about AUD$1K, Kaleido becomes a more affordable and capable coffee roaster. Also been trying to search for review from people who owns bullet and kaleido, and finally your review! Love it!
I've owned an M10 for over a year now, and been very happy with it so far! You have to roast coffee a little differently from how people generally say to, at least in terms of roast times. It has its quirks, the biggest one for me being the cooling tray, which takes too long for me, so I use an external one, but apart from that, I find it to be a really capable home roaster, or roaster for a very small business. Yes to more roasting vids! Cheers from the Philippines!
What weight of beans do you roast at a time? Trying to decide between M6/M10/Bullet. I typically roast 450g/1 lb but being able to go up to 900g/ 2lb on the same machine would be a big bonus.
I've got an M10 coming next week upgrading from a Behmor 1600. I debated the Ailio for several years and finally saved up the money and decided to go for Kaleido due to the workflow. Ailio having to remove a part to get chaff, which means some cooling, which means more time spent heating to get back to a decent starting temp. The Kaleido seems to suggest that it can consistently hit 4 1kg batches per hour. That capacity was important to me both in terms of time (I tend to roast a lot for gifts around holidays) or convenience (I roast in a garage near Phoenix and in the summer, I don't want to be in the garage any longer than necessary). The lower price (especially at Espresso Outlet) didn't hurt either Does it use a standard plug? I am curious if a standard 20 amp dedicated line with normal sockets works. Does it need a few batches to season like the Ailio? I'd hate to scorch (waste) beans but I could go get the cheapest green beans possible before using my normal beans. If I am used to roasting with a drum (though not one that had the ability to charge), will I figure out the workflow fairly fast? I've probably done 600-800 lbs with my Behmor over the years.
I have both, I have noticed that the Kaleido can't keep the temperature as the Bullet does, the Kaleido makes a lot a noise from the metal outer case, but for sure makes a lot less smoke than the Bullet. I must say that Bullets feature where it detects when yoi drop the beans and it already start to record, it is great, I don't like that I have to press start roast and drop the beans at the same time with the Kaleido
Thank you so much for this video, that was super informative. I would disagree with you on one single point. I think the fact that you can leave your green beans on top, and the door stays open automatically should be taking into account, I think it should have gotten a 9 out of 10, or at least an 8.5 :)
Kyle, first thank you for your high quality and informative content :) Next a question, I've been home roasting for a handful of years on the behmor at roughly 1/2 lb per week, and have grown quite frustrated with both its low build quality (its electronics cover lives permanently unscrewed so I can unplug and replug connections) and its limited capabilities to influence the roast. Another video with the original designer boils down to .... just press the C button..... yeah thanks. I'm looking to upgrade to artisan and am debating a kaleido m2 vs the hottop. The one positive I have for behmor is that is has produced passable beans at a relatively low price throughout my use, which leads me to my question. Are these Kaledios worth the investment for the home roaster for personal use/ 1 persons consumption?
Great review/comparison! Thank you! I have been roasting on a Hottop for 10 years and while it works great, the max of 350 gram is just too little to feed the family with coffee reliably (yes, they may drink too much as well...). Looking at the price difference between the M10 and Bullet, I think I will get a M10 ordered and see how it works...
I’ve been home roasting with the Behmor. Order of magnitude less expensive and with a pretty good “afterburner” to deal with smoke. Roasting in the kitchen under an average range vent is very easy.
Glad you reviewed the Kaleido - I have an M2 and agree with pros/cons. I almost saved up for a Bullet but in the end thought the Kaleido was a great value proposition. As noted it's a quirky roaster - I've had batches that have been terrible and batches that have been exceptional and it's difficult to gauge where a roast has gone awry (even in Artisan). Note to potential future Kaleido M2 owners - at a 75% or lower batch size it has a lot shorter roast times than other roasters - around 8-9 mins for a medium roast, and as a result the best DTR's I've noticed are around 14%.
If you are planning on getting into the money making coffee roasting business, spend the money. For someone like me that loves coffee and drinks a lot of it, but will not spend thousands of dollars for a damn machine. These machines are NOT cheap. You will not save any money roasting your own coffee. Only a hobby. I have been trying to make my own machine in my shop on the low budget. So far, not so good but getting better.
Kaleido is really quite a good brand for roaster, im using the M2 and recently i faced 1 issue and wasted my 250g ethiopia, lucky not geisha. the issue was one of the set screw at the motor fall out without i noticed it, when preheat the drum is still spinning. But worst part is when i drop the bean in, because of set screw is missing the motor lack of grip to the shaft so after bean loaded, drum stop.....but lucky managed to found back the screw and install it back. So this is a must on maintenance check list
hey kyle! I have some experience with roasting and am looking to get a bigger roaster. I enjoy lightly roasted coffees that are often very dense. Would you say one of these roaster are better with lighter dense coffees. Like an Ethiopian?
Great video as always! I’m not in the market for a roaster at the moment, but the Kaleido is a very compelling roaster. Definitely seems to be a good choice for a lot of people.
Solid review. What charge weight have you settled on? I've found on mine 500-625g to be ideal if I want first crack around the 8min mark..once I get over 800g, first crack gets drawn out too far. At 1kg I have to run 100% heat the entire roast and it still takes over 11 minutes to first crack. I also find if I go into 1C at anything less than 40% on my heat that I don't have enough thermal moment to raise my BT more than about 4-5C over a period of about 2-3minutes.
Great review! Agree with all the pros and cons! Have used all 4 sizes of Kaleido and they are very impressive. Recently was around a Bullet and Cormorant on the same evening. All quite different surprisingly.
Is “artesian” different than Artisan? The first time you said it I thought it was a brain blip, but the second time I’m wondering if it’s a separate software?
How fast are power changes reflected in RoR? That’s one thing I love about the Bullet’s induction heating: almost gas-like responsiveness. I found the Hottop, which uses a traditional heating element (and a similarly perforated drum) to have SO much inertia in terms of heating. I’m picturing electric stoves here with traditional coil, halogen & induction with the Sniper being somewhere in the middle? As for looks: I love it…. but I’d never have permission to keep that on my kitchen counter haha - my Bullet is very handsome and fits in nicely next to my espresso machine without objection :)
I went for the Cormorant CR600. Nice little gas or electric roaster. Somewhat smaller capacity at 300-700g. Solid steel drum. Easy to control through Artisan with a standard Phidget. All manual control of energy, drum and air speed. Easy chaff collector. Excellent results and good starting point for training to roast on a large drum roaster.
Quite comprehensive! Few questions: what temperature probes does it come with and where are they located? Also what other roasters will you be reviewing, I need to order a roaster soon? 😬
Regarding the looks of this thing it looks so similar to the Apollo Lunar Module I can't help but feel its a deliberate homage :P Perhaps a coincidence tho.
As I write this, the Kaleido M-10 is sold out. It’s priced about $600 more than the Bullet. I’m moving up from using a HotTop for over 10 years, and I think the Bullet will last my forever. The difference in price/year is pretty small, and I’m a iOS fan, not an Android fan, so I’m strongly leaning towards the Bullet (which has the additional advantage of not coming from China).
I personally really like the Bullet look. The Kaleido looks like a lego elephant of some sort, or like the dinosaur from the Transformers movie the triceratops one. Question though.. how fast does each roast 1kg of beans? Also, the quality of build for the Bullet just seems much higher. Not sure that it is, but looks like its built like a tank. It is about $700 more in price, but seems like it would be worth that if the longevity of the unit with proper maintenance is decades and not like a couple years before the heating element burns out. With that in mind, I would be curious what the cost is to replace/fix a heating element and a motor on either of these machines.
I think the design appears rather quirky and is perhaps aimed at the bro market. IMO a stainless steel clean barrel design with lift up sides would look far superior. Nice video 👍
Hi Kyle, I'd like you to do a video on the Gene Cafe CBR 101, which is the roaster I have, and even some professional roasters have said my roasts are almost as good as what's done in a professional roaster
I’m in Canada, where is the best place to order this from? I’ve looked around but it’s not readily available. Really like this for the features and the price. I’m in Ottawa btw.
Hi Kyle! Thanks again for your amazing content. Your review made me buy the M2 and I am now upgrading to an M10. Would you be willing to share your BBP on this M10 roaster? From What I understand optimum batch size is 800 grams?
@@KyleRowsell With the side doors up, the angular build with lots of gray metal reminds me of a DeLorean from Back to the Future. Maybe when it hits 88 degrees it sends your coffee back in time a week so that it off-gasses and you can brew it immediately.
Learned how to roast on a Buckeye Coffee Roaster 2.5kg. I had a roasting mentor that allowed me to house it in my coffee shop. Got out of the business a year ago because I was I a rough spot in life. I even had a couple decent sized wholesale accounts. Went to work as an electrician for a while, but all I could think about everyday was being back in my shop roasting. Looking to get started back up again and attack some smaller markets like retail/ farmers/online. Hoping to find a decent roaster here soon!
Great video Kyle, I'm a home roaster that sells to friends an family for 6 years on the behmor and want to upgrade. You mentioned a place to buy the Kaleido, is there a Cdn store or do I have to buy it from the US? Thanks
I think the Bullet has priced themselves out of all but well heeled buyers. As far as this unit goes my first question is how long have they been in business? If you need parts and they go under then what?
Definitely don't have the space, the budget or the sheer amount of COFFEE APPETITE to invest in one of these but I truly appreciate your channel and I try and always comment on your vids for the algorithm. Not really sure how many characters you need to type for the best effect, but maybe saying things like the word like and appreciate help anyway?
In black, it reminds me of the Tumbler from the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy. Hmmm, with a few mods, I'd think the Tumbler could perform double duty as a coffee roaster. Ha!
all these vids about roaster, and then not show chasing it when it is working, think that the big NO NO . i just started to roast coffee, but always looking for more and better information.
Hey Kyle. I'm going to place an order for September coffee on my next rotation. I'm on the site, and just inquiring to know if your going to be selling the cap your wearing in this video. Black with gold logo? Thank you.
@@KyleRowsell ok, you're either going to chuckle, be annoyed, or a little of both. I couldn't let your pronunciation drop and I didn't know why. "Potato, potah-to"...who cares? It's not an accent thing (th-cam.com/video/6p1TcdnUEX4/w-d-xo.html). "Ar-TEE-zhun", i.e. artesian, refers to the flow of water from underground to the surface without the use of a pump. Like an artesian well. Artisan (see previously referenced link) refers to someone who practices a trade or craft. Since roasting is very crafty and doesn't involve siphoning water into the drum, well, I rest my case. But not to be Mr. Know-It-All, I ran it past the Artisan group and one of the leads confirmed "'artesian' is defo wrong". But in a show of camaraderie, go Oilers! (until they face Boston).
Great information, as we have come to expect your reviews are very thorough & entertaining. I too would like you to scale down a bit in terms of price & bean volume. I think there are many enthusiasts out there that are willing to roast small volumes for their weekly needs & are not looking to start a production facility. Whether to roast or not, this is a hard call when you're coffee is so GREAT.
You mentioned under $3000, but I assume that is USD? I haven’t found them anywhere close to that in Canada. I do like them and hope to get one in the near future as an upgrade to my Behmore.
Hey Kyle, I for one would enjoy more niche home roasting videos. You said that the roaster is quirky, is there anything coming out from the company to help smooth out these quirks? Could you elaborate on said quirks?
I'm right on the edge of buying either the M10 or the Bullet. I am leaning more toward the Bullet for the software and ease. My wife wants to help me roast but would rather a plug and play instead of a project roaster. I've read that the heating elements on the M10 are considered consumable as well, so I'm interested in hearing how that affects the price over time.
Thanks for the review. I've got an Aillio Bullet R1 V2, so I was keen to see how it compared to the M10. You made some great points about the differences. I'm interested in how roast times differ - is this something you could tell us about? I can roast a full 1kg in the Bullet, can you roast 1kg in the M10?
@Kyle Rowsell I do wonder if the voltage has an impact on the power/heat capabilities of the Bullet? Could you do a roast like this? - I've just been roasting my first few Kenya AB - 800g green, 280°C PH. Start at P5,F2,D9, incrementally increasing power to P9-F3 at 2 min. Hit yellow/dry end at 4:30, first crack at 7:30, end around 9min. I guess it changes from coffee to coffee. I just find it all interesting and enjoy hearing everyone's experiences. Thanks again for your content!
@@KyleRowsell I have but i can't help myself, i was even thinking about the hottop pro roaster which can be used with artisan but i'm a sucker for aesthetics, this and the Aillio are just sexy af
Thanks for the review! I think you were spot on with the analogy. Bullets are quite easy to start roasting on and probably a great fit for most people. I’d be curious to know how profiles on this one translate to larger machines? Bullet profiles aren’t exactly a smooth transition.
These aren’t smooth to transition to a larger machine either. I don’t think it’s possible tbh. Unless the manufacturer is intentional. Like if a loring 1kg existed and transferring to a 15kg, for example.
@@KyleRowsell Awesome, thanks. I've had some success with stretching the roasts on the smaller machine. The stainless steel version looks like a baby loring!
I have been waiting for this video!! I legitimately think you're the first person to "compare" the Kaleido to the Bullet. And personally, I am glad you found them very comparable! I got my Kaleido 2 months ago and have been using it intermittently while I get my business set up(yes I went overboard). I have been loving it. Like you said, it has some quirks, but for the most part it has been a joy to roast on. I'm still new but within 6 hours or so I was pulling batches I was more than happy to drink. Like you, I found Artisan much better than the built-in tablet. The tablet works in a pinch but I'll choose Artisan every time. The only somewhat frustrating aspect is beans getting stuck in the drum. This causes them to come out totally charred one batch down the line. They seem to have changed the roasting drum since your iteration causing this issue. Atleast it appears to look slightly different on yours. I am curious if you've run into this at all? I have been roasting peaberry recently which accentuates the issue, but it occasionally happens on everything. Thanks again for the videos!
Hi，many thanks for your kind feedback . The drum has been upgraded recently to solve the beans stuck problem. The kaleido factory promised to change the drum for you for free.
Roasting coffee at home is niche. You know what isn’t niche? Tamping the h*ck out of that like button. Love y’all.
Double Niche? 😉 Duo soon?
@@NoZenith yes duo soonish
This was really insightful, as someone who’s used both. I know you gave them both an 8 but if you could only have 1… (with the home roaster in mind. is one easier to clean and maintain than the other, etc)
@Kyle Rowsell can't wait to see your comparison between the Zero and Duo! Finally committing after justifying putting money aside for years. I don't think I would benefit from The Duo but I still want to buy once and cry once and don't feel like I would have upgraditis like so many (I try hard to get the best value out of stuff, always 4-6 years out of a cell phone (my S10 wouldn't keep a charge), keep my car until it's not reliable etc) so Niche seem to be in a sweet spot for me. Even the burrsets they use. Nothing cutting edge although good solid quality, but extremely affordable to replace if infinity forbid I miss a stone.
Maybe if you decided to pronounce Artisan like a normal person! 😂
These are epic reviews for the more premium home Roasters at $3,000+ market, as someone who’s budget is closer to the $1000-2000 range, I’d be super interested in a comparison if the Ikawa Home vs the Kaffelogic Nano 7!
Noted!
yes definitely the Nano 7
You can just get sandbox smart.
i own the ikawa home and i am verry disappointed by the lack of openness and the inability to note first crack in app.
to clarify its a locked down ecosystem with them pushing their own overpriced beans. and they removed features from the pro that could have easily been there.
Like=tamped with a self-calibrating tamper
I’d argue a good like is as important as a well executed tamp.
The coffee rover has landed! What type of uncharted flavour notes will it send back to earth first??
Flavours that are out of this world
Thanks for the awesome review and comparison! I got a freshroast a few years ago, used it a lot, but haven't touched it in at least a year, as it's a lot of work for so little capacity.
In your review of the bullet, you mentioned it could be tricky to get the best flavor from high elevation Ethiopians (my favorite), Kenyans, Columbians, and the like. If your primary goal was to get "blueberry bomb" type coffees, would you choose this or the bullet? Thanks again, enjoy your content!
Thanks for the video! I've roasted on the bullet many times, using a friend's. I've been looking for some good comparisons to see which one of these i wanted to buy. Seems like thr m10 might fit what im looking for.
Had an M2 pro for a while. In general I like it and generally drinkable roasts quickly. It has produced some really nice coffees for me, and whilst still learning to control well; BPP is very easy. Would be super interested in any roast curves as ones on support re super odd. Definitely a problem with chaff mess, small beans getting stuck in drum or sucked through fan!! so have to be careful, but overall agree it’s a great roaster. So nice to see reviews about home roasting which are very few and far between - a great piece of content and review
Great to hear your thoughts on roasting Kyle! I may be wrong, but I think it's pronounced Arti-sun, not Ar-te-zhun. I roast with Fresh Roast SR540, and considering stepping up. Thanks!
Been eyeing Kaleido for very long time. With recent Bullet price increase of about AUD$1K, Kaleido becomes a more affordable and capable coffee roaster. Also been trying to search for review from people who owns bullet and kaleido, and finally your review! Love it!
Glad this helped 🎉
So if it's not the price which one will you pick and why?
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Take a shot every time he says artesian😂
I've owned an M10 for over a year now, and been very happy with it so far! You have to roast coffee a little differently from how people generally say to, at least in terms of roast times. It has its quirks, the biggest one for me being the cooling tray, which takes too long for me, so I use an external one, but apart from that, I find it to be a really capable home roaster, or roaster for a very small business. Yes to more roasting vids! Cheers from the Philippines!
Do you find it takes longer or shorter to roast than a traditional drum roaster?
Thanks for the comment!
@@ThinhTDiep so far I''ve been getting well developed coffee in a shorter amount of time!
What weight of beans do you roast at a time? Trying to decide between M6/M10/Bullet. I typically roast 450g/1 lb but being able to go up to 900g/ 2lb on the same machine would be a big bonus.
I've got an M10 coming next week upgrading from a Behmor 1600. I debated the Ailio for several years and finally saved up the money and decided to go for Kaleido due to the workflow. Ailio having to remove a part to get chaff, which means some cooling, which means more time spent heating to get back to a decent starting temp. The Kaleido seems to suggest that it can consistently hit 4 1kg batches per hour. That capacity was important to me both in terms of time (I tend to roast a lot for gifts around holidays) or convenience (I roast in a garage near Phoenix and in the summer, I don't want to be in the garage any longer than necessary). The lower price (especially at Espresso Outlet) didn't hurt either
Does it use a standard plug? I am curious if a standard 20 amp dedicated line with normal sockets works. Does it need a few batches to season like the Ailio? I'd hate to scorch (waste) beans but I could go get the cheapest green beans possible before using my normal beans. If I am used to roasting with a drum (though not one that had the ability to charge), will I figure out the workflow fairly fast? I've probably done 600-800 lbs with my Behmor over the years.
I’ve got a M2 sniper pro. sooooo damn good. got my self some Panama geisha, destroys everything else I’ve ever had
I have both, I have noticed that the Kaleido can't keep the temperature as the Bullet does, the Kaleido makes a lot a noise from the metal outer case, but for sure makes a lot less smoke than the Bullet. I must say that Bullets feature where it detects when yoi drop the beans and it already start to record, it is great, I don't like that I have to press start roast and drop the beans at the same time with the Kaleido
Thank you so much for this video, that was super informative.
I would disagree with you on one single point.
I think the fact that you can leave your green beans on top, and the door stays open automatically should be taking into account, I think it should have gotten a 9 out of 10, or at least an 8.5 :)
Kyle, first thank you for your high quality and informative content :)
Next a question, I've been home roasting for a handful of years on the behmor at roughly 1/2 lb per week, and have grown quite frustrated with both its low build quality (its electronics cover lives permanently unscrewed so I can unplug and replug connections) and its limited capabilities to influence the roast. Another video with the original designer boils down to .... just press the C button..... yeah thanks. I'm looking to upgrade to artisan and am debating a kaleido m2 vs the hottop. The one positive I have for behmor is that is has produced passable beans at a relatively low price throughout my use, which leads me to my question. Are these Kaledios worth the investment for the home roaster for personal use/ 1 persons consumption?
Kyle, I really don't want to start another Rabbit hole, but you make roasting at home so intriguing.
Sorry in advance
Great review/comparison! Thank you! I have been roasting on a Hottop for 10 years and while it works great, the max of 350 gram is just too little to feed the family with coffee reliably (yes, they may drink too much as well...). Looking at the price difference between the M10 and Bullet, I think I will get a M10 ordered and see how it works...
Lol @ the turkey gobble in the intro
Good catch
I’ve been home roasting with the Behmor. Order of magnitude less expensive and with a pretty good “afterburner” to deal with smoke. Roasting in the kitchen under an average range vent is very easy.
Good stuff!
Reminds me of Black and White coffee symbol. Cannot unsee.
Really? Interesting!
Glad you reviewed the Kaleido - I have an M2 and agree with pros/cons. I almost saved up for a Bullet but in the end thought the Kaleido was a great value proposition.
As noted it's a quirky roaster - I've had batches that have been terrible and batches that have been exceptional and it's difficult to gauge where a roast has gone awry (even in Artisan).
Note to potential future Kaleido M2 owners - at a 75% or lower batch size it has a lot shorter roast times than other roasters - around 8-9 mins for a medium roast, and as a result the best DTR's I've noticed are around 14%.
Let's go! I love home roasting equipment
I do too!
Duct elbows, or 90 degree pvc pipe joints, + collars, are cheap and easy to install.
For sure. And I didn’t say they weren’t, but it is an added step for those who need to know
If you are planning on getting into the money making coffee roasting business, spend the money. For someone like me that loves coffee and drinks a lot of it, but will not spend thousands of dollars for a damn machine. These machines are NOT cheap. You will not save any money roasting your own coffee. Only a hobby. I have been trying to make my own machine in my shop on the low budget. So far, not so good but getting better.
Looks like the lunar lander
Out of this world!
What's the smallest batch you've been able to roast with accurate readings on the M10?
400-500 in my experience
Kaleido is really quite a good brand for roaster, im using the M2 and recently i faced 1 issue and wasted my 250g ethiopia, lucky not geisha. the issue was one of the set screw at the motor fall out without i noticed it, when preheat the drum is still spinning. But worst part is when i drop the bean in, because of set screw is missing the motor lack of grip to the shaft so after bean loaded, drum stop.....but lucky managed to found back the screw and install it back. So this is a must on maintenance check list
Good point! Maintenance is king
hey kyle! I have some experience with roasting and am looking to get a bigger roaster. I enjoy lightly roasted coffees that are often very dense. Would you say one of these roaster are better with lighter dense coffees. Like an Ethiopian?
Both can roast well! I’d run both around 60% capacity
Is this a new marketing trend, the faux military-sounding coffee gear? M10 Sniper? Have to assault those coffee beans with pure, uh, fire..power?
not sure. I thought it sounded kinda fun. The alternative is the "Bullet" ha.
@@KyleRowsell “Bullet” and “Sniper”. Seems like a theme…
Great review! You should review the Roest.
Hmm - both an 8? Any better electric 1 Kg roasters around?
Great video as always!
I’m not in the market for a roaster at the moment, but the Kaleido is a very compelling roaster. Definitely seems to be a good choice for a lot of people.
Thanks Andrew. And sure is! Their cheaper models are also very interesting for the home enthusiast.
Solid review. What charge weight have you settled on? I've found on mine 500-625g to be ideal if I want first crack around the 8min mark..once I get over 800g, first crack gets drawn out too far. At 1kg I have to run 100% heat the entire roast and it still takes over 11 minutes to first crack. I also find if I go into 1C at anything less than 40% on my heat that I don't have enough thermal moment to raise my BT more than about 4-5C over a period of about 2-3minutes.
Less than 80% capacity is best. I prefer 60-70%
Great review! Agree with all the pros and cons! Have used all 4 sizes of Kaleido and they are very impressive. Recently was around a Bullet and Cormorant on the same evening. All quite different surprisingly.
Glad to hear this resonated with your experiences!
what's your take on the M1, I've been eyeing the M1, but seeing a few people on the forum questioning whether the heat capacity is enough
@@henrytung9324 it’s only 200g there’s plenty of heat for 200g. M2 has the option to use 1 or 2 heating elements depending upon batch size.
pretty happy with my Kaleido M1pro roasting every 2 weeks is great for practicing roast too
Glad to hear it!
The "Roest" from Norway seemes miles ahead from both of these!
Is “artesian” different than Artisan? The first time you said it I thought it was a brain blip, but the second time I’m wondering if it’s a separate software?
Love the turkey sound in the intro. A+.
How fast are power changes reflected in RoR? That’s one thing I love about the Bullet’s induction heating: almost gas-like responsiveness. I found the Hottop, which uses a traditional heating element (and a similarly perforated drum) to have SO much inertia in terms of heating. I’m picturing electric stoves here with traditional coil, halogen & induction with the Sniper being somewhere in the middle? As for looks: I love it…. but I’d never have permission to keep that on my kitchen counter haha - my Bullet is very handsome and fits in nicely next to my espresso machine without objection :)
It’s quick. It’ll be slightly smoother in its power curve and lagging compared to the bullet but a skilled roaster will compensate for this.
Makes sense. Anyway, great vid! Keep the rabbit hole a goin’!
I went for the Cormorant CR600. Nice little gas or electric roaster. Somewhat smaller capacity at 300-700g. Solid steel drum. Easy to control through Artisan with a standard Phidget. All manual control of energy, drum and air speed. Easy chaff collector. Excellent results and good starting point for training to roast on a large drum roaster.
Nice! Thanks for sharing!
Quite comprehensive! Few questions: what temperature probes does it come with and where are they located? Also what other roasters will you be reviewing, I need to order a roaster soon? 😬
I have the Roest on deck. It has a BT and ET. BT in the drum off centre in the bean mass. ET is on the back side of the roaster.
@@KyleRowsell would you say you're satisfied with the placement of the probes? Also when is the video for Roest scheduled?!
I personally really dig the look of it, moreso than the Bullet
It’s very unique
Regarding the looks of this thing it looks so similar to the Apollo Lunar Module I can't help but feel its a deliberate homage :P Perhaps a coincidence tho.
As I write this, the Kaleido M-10 is sold out. It’s priced about $600 more than the Bullet. I’m moving up from using a HotTop for over 10 years, and I think the Bullet will last my forever. The difference in price/year is pretty small, and I’m a iOS fan, not an Android fan, so I’m strongly leaning towards the Bullet (which has the additional advantage of not coming from China).
I personally really like the Bullet look. The Kaleido looks like a lego elephant of some sort, or like the dinosaur from the Transformers movie the triceratops one. Question though.. how fast does each roast 1kg of beans? Also, the quality of build for the Bullet just seems much higher. Not sure that it is, but looks like its built like a tank. It is about $700 more in price, but seems like it would be worth that if the longevity of the unit with proper maintenance is decades and not like a couple years before the heating element burns out. With that in mind, I would be curious what the cost is to replace/fix a heating element and a motor on either of these machines.
Great Video, but still I do not know witch to buy: The allio bullet or the Kaleido M10 pro :(
It looks like someone turned a model of a Star Wars AT-AT Walker and turned it into a coffee roaster.
I think the design appears rather quirky and is perhaps aimed at the bro market. IMO a stainless steel clean barrel design with lift up sides would look far superior. Nice video 👍
Hi Kyle, I'd like you to do a video on the Gene Cafe CBR 101, which is the roaster I have, and even some professional roasters have said my roasts are almost as good as what's done in a professional roaster
I’m in Canada, where is the best place to order this from? I’ve looked around but it’s not readily available. Really like this for the features and the price. I’m in Ottawa btw.
this looks like a lunar module.
It absolutely does and I love it haha
Looks like a Tesla Cybertruck
These comments make me smile
Hi Kyle! Thanks again for your amazing content. Your review made me buy the M2 and I am now upgrading to an M10. Would you be willing to share your BBP on this M10 roaster? From What I understand optimum batch size is 800 grams?
Transformers meets ....a turkey
Ha am I wrong?
Where are they manufactured?
Can this roaster hit 4 kg an hour back to back. I was looking at this vs the bullet v2 for a small buisness
What happens when the coffee hits 88 degrees?
What do you mean?
@@KyleRowsell With the side doors up, the angular build with lots of gray metal reminds me of a DeLorean from Back to the Future. Maybe when it hits 88 degrees it sends your coffee back in time a week so that it off-gasses and you can brew it immediately.
@@TheRogerdc 😂
@@TheRogerdc I knew what you meant. 😂
Learned how to roast on a Buckeye Coffee Roaster 2.5kg.
I had a roasting mentor that allowed me to house it in my coffee shop. Got out of the business a year ago because I was I a rough spot in life. I even had a couple decent sized wholesale accounts.
Went to work as an electrician for a while, but all I could think about everyday was being back in my shop roasting.
Looking to get started back up again and attack some smaller markets like retail/ farmers/online.
Hoping to find a decent roaster here soon!
Great video Kyle, I'm a home roaster that sells to friends an family for 6 years on the behmor and want to upgrade. You mentioned a place to buy the Kaleido, is there a Cdn store or do I have to buy it from the US? Thanks
I think the Bullet has priced themselves out of all but well heeled buyers. As far as this unit goes my first question is how long have they been in business? If you need parts and they go under then what?
So, the spinning thing will spin and the heating thing will heat even when the covers are open... what could possibly go wrong?
"Reminds me of a kitchen appliance." LOL
I really enjoyed this video, thanks Kyle.
It looks like a mess
Definitely don't have the space, the budget or the sheer amount of COFFEE APPETITE to invest in one of these but I truly appreciate your channel and I try and always comment on your vids for the algorithm. Not really sure how many characters you need to type for the best effect, but maybe saying things like the word like and appreciate help anyway?
You’re the best!
Gosh! How I would like to start roasting!
Do it!
@@KyleRowsell Show us how. Give a tutorial of how to get into roasting and I will do it!
That would be so awesome to grow own coffe beans and roasting them ourselves
we know that’s a lunar lander . you can’t fool us
Is Kaleido 20 Amps 120 Volts or 220 Volts?
Been kinda bingeing your content these past few days and it's been getting me through some rough times. Thanks for another banger of a vid!
Glad to be some entertainment in your rough times. Hope things get better soon!
Looks like something from robot wars
In black, it reminds me of the Tumbler from the Christopher Nolan Batman trilogy. Hmmm, with a few mods, I'd think the Tumbler could perform double duty as a coffee roaster. Ha!
Most of them come in black so I could totally see this
all these vids about roaster, and then not show chasing it when it is working, think that the big NO NO . i just started to roast coffee, but always looking for more and better information.
Hey Kyle. I'm going to place an order for September coffee on my next rotation. I'm on the site, and just inquiring to know if your going to be selling the cap your wearing in this video. Black with gold logo? Thank you.
That was an exclusive for kickstarters. The current cap is the same but black on black. Sorry!
I was very close to pulling the trigger on the Aillio Bullet by stretching my budget too far, until this video. Thank you so much.
Happy to help
Yes, but how does it work in a purely helium atmosphere kyle
That I’ll need to call Hoffmann for ha
Bahahahaha!!!
Did you say “Ar-TEE-zhun”?
Yes I did!
@@KyleRowsell either I've been saying it wrong this whole time or more charm from our neighbors to the north. Will have to run this by Marko.
@@KyleRowsell ok, you're either going to chuckle, be annoyed, or a little of both. I couldn't let your pronunciation drop and I didn't know why. "Potato, potah-to"...who cares? It's not an accent thing (th-cam.com/video/6p1TcdnUEX4/w-d-xo.html). "Ar-TEE-zhun", i.e. artesian, refers to the flow of water from underground to the surface without the use of a pump. Like an artesian well. Artisan (see previously referenced link) refers to someone who practices a trade or craft. Since roasting is very crafty and doesn't involve siphoning water into the drum, well, I rest my case. But not to be Mr. Know-It-All, I ran it past the Artisan group and one of the leads confirmed "'artesian' is defo wrong". But in a show of camaraderie, go Oilers! (until they face Boston).
How can I buy it? Thanks
Thank you for your Taiwan 'shout out'!!
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Both look cool, but the M10 reminds me a lot of an AT-AT Walker from Star Wars 😁
Need some snow speeders to take it down
Great information, as we have come to expect your reviews are very thorough & entertaining. I too would like you to scale down a bit in terms of price & bean volume. I think there are many enthusiasts out there that are willing to roast small volumes for their weekly needs & are not looking to start a production facility.
Whether to roast or not, this is a hard call when you're coffee is so GREAT.
Haha thanks friend! Glad you’re loving it
TW fans here. Keep it up Kyle
Hi Kyle, great vid as always!
Where did you get your Kaleido in Canada?
thx
There are a few distributors. I got mine directly from kaliedo in Asia. I believe the links below ship to Canada too.
You mentioned under $3000, but I assume that is USD? I haven’t found them anywhere close to that in Canada. I do like them and hope to get one in the near future as an upgrade to my Behmore.
Yes usd.
@@KyleRowsellThought so, bummer 😜
How much power does it need at 230 Volts?
reference the link in description
Hey Kyle, I for one would enjoy more niche home roasting videos. You said that the roaster is quirky, is there anything coming out from the company to help smooth out these quirks? Could you elaborate on said quirks?
I explained all the quirks! The software on the tablet, connecting it to a pc, etc. Mostly software. That can be updated with time.
Working on updating a few things. Many of the quirks are remedied just understanding a tad better what is going on. New videos are out to assist.
I'm right on the edge of buying either the M10 or the Bullet. I am leaning more toward the Bullet for the software and ease. My wife wants to help me roast but would rather a plug and play instead of a project roaster. I've read that the heating elements on the M10 are considered consumable as well, so I'm interested in hearing how that affects the price over time.
They are. I haven’t needed to replace yet but that will happen with time.
Yes, the Bullet uses induction heating which is far more efficient and does not wear out.
Thanks for the review. I've got an Aillio Bullet R1 V2, so I was keen to see how it compared to the M10. You made some great points about the differences. I'm interested in how roast times differ - is this something you could tell us about? I can roast a full 1kg in the Bullet, can you roast 1kg in the M10?
You can but I prefer 60% capacity for faster and brighter roasts. The bullet is no different
@Kyle Rowsell I do wonder if the voltage has an impact on the power/heat capabilities of the Bullet? Could you do a roast like this? - I've just been roasting my first few Kenya AB - 800g green, 280°C PH. Start at P5,F2,D9, incrementally increasing power to P9-F3 at 2 min. Hit yellow/dry end at 4:30, first crack at 7:30, end around 9min. I guess it changes from coffee to coffee. I just find it all interesting and enjoy hearing everyone's experiences. Thanks again for your content!
Sorry, I forgot to say, I'm in England, in the UK, our voltage is 240v.
Love the video but the link in the description is broken
Should be fixed!
Me thinking about getting a gene cafe.........now im set on this or the Aillio, i blame you 100% XD
Have you checked out the smaller kaliedo roasters?
@@KyleRowsell I have but i can't help myself, i was even thinking about the hottop pro roaster which can be used with artisan but i'm a sucker for aesthetics, this and the Aillio are just sexy af
@@barjee8965 that they are! How much coffee do you plan to roast?
Looks like a transformers machine
yeah no denying that!
Why it looks so ugly for this price.
Flair 58+ review comming soon? ;-)
Probably not. Likely something else regarding the flair
@@KyleRowsell just saw it in the video like a teaser ;-) great content as always, really appreciate the info you provide, cheers!
Thanks for the review! I think you were spot on with the analogy. Bullets are quite easy to start roasting on and probably a great fit for most people.
I’d be curious to know how profiles on this one translate to larger machines? Bullet profiles aren’t exactly a smooth transition.
These aren’t smooth to transition to a larger machine either. I don’t think it’s possible tbh. Unless the manufacturer is intentional. Like if a loring 1kg existed and transferring to a 15kg, for example.
@@KyleRowsell Awesome, thanks. I've had some success with stretching the roasts on the smaller machine. The stainless steel version looks like a baby loring!
I have been waiting for this video!! I legitimately think you're the first person to "compare" the Kaleido to the Bullet. And personally, I am glad you found them very comparable!
I got my Kaleido 2 months ago and have been using it intermittently while I get my business set up(yes I went overboard). I have been loving it. Like you said, it has some quirks, but for the most part it has been a joy to roast on. I'm still new but within 6 hours or so I was pulling batches I was more than happy to drink. Like you, I found Artisan much better than the built-in tablet. The tablet works in a pinch but I'll choose Artisan every time.
The only somewhat frustrating aspect is beans getting stuck in the drum. This causes them to come out totally charred one batch down the line. They seem to have changed the roasting drum since your iteration causing this issue. Atleast it appears to look slightly different on yours. I am curious if you've run into this at all? I have been roasting peaberry recently which accentuates the issue, but it occasionally happens on everything.
Thanks again for the videos!
Hi，many thanks for your kind feedback . The drum has been upgraded recently to solve the beans stuck problem. The kaleido factory promised to change the drum for you for free.
@@kaleidosnipercoffeeroaster That is one of the best things I've heard all year. I will reach out.
m10There is a problem with the rollers,m6Is there a problem?
3:38 found a glitch 😎
Strange!
Interesting contraption
Sure is!