Thank you for the great summary on this device. I'm pretty impressed and definitely keeping my eye on these as they develop. I almost pulled the trigger at EspressoOutlet but found an amazing deal on a Aillio Bullet locally so figured I'd save a few bucks and try that first. It sounds like the drum/cage not retaining heat could be seen as a positive as long as you adjust accordingly.
I'd love to compare to the bullet, and I almost pulled the trigger on one before finding this machine and wanted to try it out. Worth it IMO, but a comparison with a Bullet would be awesome.
@@homecafecharlie dropping my first roast shortly. Wasn't expecting a 20min preheat time. But we'll see the outcome....Roastime seems interesting but a bit daunting coming from a non-computerized setup
Thanks for the review, I'm looking for a starter roaster myself and was leaning towards A Bullet. This video is extremely useful and gives good alternative. Cheers!
It's a toss up. The Bullet is more expensive, but probably more information and best practices online since it has been out longer. I would love to do a comparison someday but not sure if I would ever spend another $3k on a similar sized roaster. Would prefer to go big and get a 15kg or something if I could ever sell enough coffee.
I appreciate the review. I've been looking at the Kaleido M2, and now I know not to waste money on the "dual". I haven't yet pulled the trigger because I'm having a hard time getting over the design. Too spacey for my taste. I much prefer the look of the M1 which is unfortunately too small for my needs.
Very informative! Question about the wattage, any issues or adjustments required to safely use it with the voltage in England? I am currently in the States, but there's a good chance my husband might get stationed in England in a year. We are very interested in this roaster but want to make the smartest decision for our current lifestyle.
I would recommend getting the correct roaster for the voltage. Voltage transformers are very big and expensive (they are basically a big roll of copper). Definitely worth buying the correct one for your voltage
Great video! I am currently using the Behmore 2000 AB plus and have found that it doesn't do the best with the more fruity light roasts that I enjoy. While I do not know your style of roasting there looked to be some fairly lightly colored coffee's in this video. Do you feel this roaster can pull out the more floral and fruity flavors in, say, Ethiopian and Kenyan coffee's? I am also one of many stuck between this and the Bullet.
They are very different roasters, they use different heating functions and will produce different coffee. Nordic style roasts are definitely possible on smaller machines like this, but in general larger cast iron drum roasters tend to produce better light roasts for espresso in my opinion. I have never had a passable espresso light roast from an air roaster. The Kaleido series is mostly convection heating and so it's definitely possible, but you need to slow down the roast earlier to get enough development without the roast running away from you since you don't have the option to cut the power like you would in a conductive drum.
Thank you! I'm not sure, I've made a roast along video already and thinking to edit that up and share it since it's hard to keep up with comments and pay attention to a roast. Happy to answer any questions in the comments here ;)
Just received my M2 a few weeks ago and roasting some great coffee! I just found that a normal Between batch protocol did not work really well on the M2 and my second batch went trough in no time even after waiting 15min at a stable temperature at +5 deg above charge temp. Would you mind sharing your BBP procedure on this?
@@namangoyal1273 oh the M2 you just need to go for 30% heat and let it drop to -20 degrees Charge temp in 3/4 minutes and then go to charge temp in 1 or 2 minutes and it’s quite stable that way
@@namangoyal1273 just followed a guide line from Scott rao. It’s better but I think I still need to wait longer as it’s still not perfect. I’ll stick to -20 and wait 10min this time .
Just curious, how much are you adjusting heat, in general, from charge to drop? I found with my M10 that if I go into 1C at anything less than about 50 on my power that my BT doesn't change much after 1C vegans, maybe 3-4C after 1:30. Suprised to hear the M6 can roast rated capacity with no issues, too. My M10, at 1kg, takes nearly 11min to hit 1C.
I did another video about the basic roasting techniques I use based on Scott Rao's methods. I adjust power a LOT, start low for a minute to let the beans soak up heat slowly, then go to high heat and slowly lower it to get enough caramelisation without baking the beans. I haven't tried the M10, but if you use good principles it should be able to get to 1C faster! Good luck and send me your roast curves on IG if you're having trouble
Yes it was a bit, and import duties were about £200. But worth it, and any machine is going to have import duties (either paid directly or indirectly through the importer)
@@homecafecharlie Thanks, Charlie, I'm hoping about 250 to 300G and the trier will still work, I am downsizing from the M10, it is way too big for my needs, I have the M1, so 200G is good there.
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Been using my M10 for 2 years now
Love it
Great machine!
Thank you for the great summary on this device. I'm pretty impressed and definitely keeping my eye on these as they develop. I almost pulled the trigger at EspressoOutlet but found an amazing deal on a Aillio Bullet locally so figured I'd save a few bucks and try that first. It sounds like the drum/cage not retaining heat could be seen as a positive as long as you adjust accordingly.
I'd love to compare to the bullet, and I almost pulled the trigger on one before finding this machine and wanted to try it out. Worth it IMO, but a comparison with a Bullet would be awesome.
@@homecafecharlie dropping my first roast shortly. Wasn't expecting a 20min preheat time. But we'll see the outcome....Roastime seems interesting but a bit daunting coming from a non-computerized setup
Thanks for the review, I'm looking for a starter roaster myself and was leaning towards A Bullet. This video is extremely useful and gives good alternative. Cheers!
It's a toss up. The Bullet is more expensive, but probably more information and best practices online since it has been out longer. I would love to do a comparison someday but not sure if I would ever spend another $3k on a similar sized roaster. Would prefer to go big and get a 15kg or something if I could ever sell enough coffee.
I appreciate the review. I've been looking at the Kaleido M2, and now I know not to waste money on the "dual". I haven't yet pulled the trigger because I'm having a hard time getting over the design. Too spacey for my taste. I much prefer the look of the M1 which is unfortunately too small for my needs.
Great review! Have been really enjoying my M6!
It's a beast for sure!
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Good for home use
A touchscreen that requires pressure for an input is resistive touchscreen, not a capacitive one... (1:50)
I am interested in the smaller kaleido roasters 1 and 2. And compare it with sandbox r1
Kaleido looks the Bat-wing, and the Bullet looks like the Imperial Walker!
If I had both you had better believe I would do a Star Wars themed stop motion animation 🤣
Great video Charlie
Thanks Shane!
I still try to be a fan of my Sanbox R2 😅
Is it good
Great looking roaster that I’m interested in but there doesn’t seem to be many sellers in Canada (if any).
Very informative! Question about the wattage, any issues or adjustments required to safely use it with the voltage in England? I am currently in the States, but there's a good chance my husband might get stationed in England in a year. We are very interested in this roaster but want to make the smartest decision for our current lifestyle.
I would recommend getting the correct roaster for the voltage. Voltage transformers are very big and expensive (they are basically a big roll of copper). Definitely worth buying the correct one for your voltage
What do you think about the M2 and M2s ?
Great video! I am currently using the Behmore 2000 AB plus and have found that it doesn't do the best with the more fruity light roasts that I enjoy. While I do not know your style of roasting there looked to be some fairly lightly colored coffee's in this video. Do you feel this roaster can pull out the more floral and fruity flavors in, say, Ethiopian and Kenyan coffee's?
I am also one of many stuck between this and the Bullet.
They are very different roasters, they use different heating functions and will produce different coffee. Nordic style roasts are definitely possible on smaller machines like this, but in general larger cast iron drum roasters tend to produce better light roasts for espresso in my opinion. I have never had a passable espresso light roast from an air roaster. The Kaleido series is mostly convection heating and so it's definitely possible, but you need to slow down the roast earlier to get enough development without the roast running away from you since you don't have the option to cut the power like you would in a conductive drum.
Hi Charlie, when will you be making the livestream with the kaleido? Great video!
Thank you! I'm not sure, I've made a roast along video already and thinking to edit that up and share it since it's hard to keep up with comments and pay attention to a roast. Happy to answer any questions in the comments here ;)
Charlie thanks for the video! Very informative!!! What do you recommend to buy, M6 Pro or M6 Dual? Does it make sense to save and buy the M6 Pro?
I know this is an older video, but can you adjust the PID values using Artisan?
Yes absolutely, artisan has an interface for it for this machine with slider bars.
Great video! Can you only use artisan via Bluetooth? Or can you use artisan via usb?
Bluetooth only 😉
What's the energy consumption in Watts?
Just received my M2 a few weeks ago and roasting some great coffee! I just found that a normal Between batch protocol did not work really well on the M2 and my second batch went trough in no time even after waiting 15min at a stable temperature at +5 deg above charge temp. Would you mind sharing your BBP procedure on this?
Would be interested to know if you've found any developments to this so far. Planning on getting an M10 myself
@@namangoyal1273 oh the M2 you just need to go for 30% heat and let it drop to -20 degrees Charge temp in 3/4 minutes and then go to charge temp in 1 or 2 minutes and it’s quite stable that way
@@romainostermann thats quite helpful! How did you arrive at this? And do you use something similar for preheating too?
@@namangoyal1273 just followed a guide line from Scott rao. It’s better but I think I still need to wait longer as it’s still not perfect. I’ll stick to -20 and wait 10min this time .
Just curious, how much are you adjusting heat, in general, from charge to drop? I found with my M10 that if I go into 1C at anything less than about 50 on my power that my BT doesn't change much after 1C vegans, maybe 3-4C after 1:30.
Suprised to hear the M6 can roast rated capacity with no issues, too. My M10, at 1kg, takes nearly 11min to hit 1C.
I did another video about the basic roasting techniques I use based on Scott Rao's methods. I adjust power a LOT, start low for a minute to let the beans soak up heat slowly, then go to high heat and slowly lower it to get enough caramelisation without baking the beans.
I haven't tried the M10, but if you use good principles it should be able to get to 1C faster! Good luck and send me your roast curves on IG if you're having trouble
How was shipping to the UK? Can imagine a bit pricey?
Yes it was a bit, and import duties were about £200. But worth it, and any machine is going to have import duties (either paid directly or indirectly through the importer)
Hi, would you recommend this roaster better than Oillio Bullet R1 V2?
They are comparable, but I haven't had much time with the Bullet V2 yet so I couldn't say which one I prefer.
Ailio Bullet all the way!
What is the min batch size that you can comfortably roast on the M6?
About 200 for me, but it's harder to roast. Use a lot less power
@@homecafecharlie Thanks, Charlie, I'm hoping about 250 to 300G and the trier will still work, I am downsizing from the M10, it is way too big for my needs, I have the M1, so 200G is good there.
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*promo sm* 👉