The wayfinding of the R211s is chef's kiss! Not only are open gangways great for accommodating more passengers, improving crowd flow, and promoting accessibility by making it easier for passengers with disabilities or mobility challenges to move freely within the train (on top of the wheelchair flip seats), but in NYC's case, it prevents subway surfing by eliminating the ability to ride between cars! Open gangway trains provide a continuous line of sight throughout the entire train, which can deter criminal activity and improve passenger safety. It also allows for better monitoring and faster response to incidents or emergencies. Open gangways on the NYC Subway are a huge achievement and were much needed!
You're right about soft shells , they can be dangerous in case of a sharp turn somebody can be crushed. I don't know well Nyc subway but if I remember there are some . Somebody was injuried on a tramway here in geneva with those shells . But those trains look wonderful , Mta did a great job buying these
Yeah I think you’re right about their limited turn ability, but I don’t see it as a danger. Seems to me the potential vandalism hazards of soft shells are not worth the extra shoulder space.
@@NYCSubwayFan New Flyer Xcelsior X211 that is And you get better propulsion imo, but nobody is supposed to hang out in the bellows anyways, it’s an absolute necessity if the trains are packed. Poles are there for support, not because it’s a location for commuters.
@@railfannerjs6308 and it’s not dangerous only if it curves it is dangerous and on the open gangways on both the Hard and soft shills so ones again stop criticizing it
@@SuprToeHi GoGosuprtoe I know you’re not interested in the soft shell but it’s not so bad besides I do prefer the soft shell design and many people like it because there’s more room more grab pull’s for people to stand there and it’s more aesthetic pleasing because the hard shell has less space and are not intended for people to stand there but to only use them to walk between the cars and I am sure bad guys won’t do anything to the soft shell it least I hope not but while I do prefer the soft shell I think both design are good and if we do order more R211T Open gangway trains in the future I would also be happy with either design Although I do feel like it should be the soft shell design
I’m glad that the MTA is *finally* introducing open-gangway models. However, it kinda upsets me that it can’t run express via Central Park & Fulton Street considering they get extremely crowded & the fact that many delays/reroutes occur along the A/C causing them to run express. But overall, I like them
@@philsam123I think it’s the way the safety brakes work on the NYC subway, and the position of the express tracks in the center between the other tracks. It would be impossible to check the brakes if they activated. Either that or they’re just testing them on local tracks first before they get confident enough to move them to express, or a combination of both issues.
R211Ts will never be express. I wrote about this train in my school newspaper. Hypothetically, if an R211T’s emergency brakes were to be activated on an express track, it wouldn’t be possible to cross to the other side. On some exp tracks, it is unsafe for R211Ts there. If a train WITHOUT open gangways like an R179, malfunctioned on a exp track, the procedure would be to climb through the space between cars or the last resort is to crawl under the train. Sadly, with the open gangways, there just isn’t a way an R211T will run express. Also MTA president Richard Davey made a decision to “give our C train customers a little love.”
That was a great video! These R211Ts with the open gangways are amazing, and I'm glad they're now in service. I hope I get one the next time I ride the C train.
GGS, I had the same thought as you when I first saw the soft connectors. I could easily imagine someone spilling a coffee on them leaving a forever stain. Or a fool with a marker defacing them. I say go hard. Cheers from Wisconsin!
Finally he did an r211T video I have been waiting for 15 days I still think MTA should use the soft version since it’s wider and plus the soft shells are very safe if mta protects it
I'll be looking forward to seeing this when I'm in New York this summer. I've been on light rail trains in many cities that have the fabric accordion "soft" dividers, and I'd definitely agree that the hard ones are superior.
Right, we have the soft shell gangway connectors on basically all rolling stock here in the UK, for example on the S-Stock on the London Underground, they have the soft shell, people are basically used to it, but on something like the DLR, if I remember properly they have the hard shell, which personally I prefer because its not like your gonna get finger stuck, so I understand why you seemed to feel a bit off about those shells. Nice video anyway lad!
Also I just wanted to say I've been watching your videos since I was around 5-7 years old, which was about 8-10 years ago, I found your channel after like a good year or two so I'm glad to have you on my recommended again.
Lucky you, the R211T showed up right away and you didn't have to wait all day for one to show up. The hard shell design looks safer to me than the soft shell. I am hoping to catch one of these soon. I have still yet to ride any of the R211 sets.
I actually caught an R211T C train yesterday afternoon but it took off once I got to Hoyt Street going the opposite direction. I saw so many R211s yesterday and I missed my chance to ride it yesterday darn 😢
The same thing happened to me at Euclid age I wasn’t even expecting it to come and it showed up so I got on I was actually waiting for the A R211 since it less of a wait cause in more in service..I didn’t even know until I watched this that the hard shell and soft shell is a 5 and 5 split of one train I thought it was separate trains glad you were able to catch it super p.s. if anyone can tell me what that thing is connected to the end of the seats I banged my elbow on it when I was on it
I remember my first time taking a 211, it was so amazing because I remember it being around a week or so after they got put into service. The only thing I have to say is that although there are a lot of things that are different / have shown advances compared to the r179's, it didn't really feel that different riding it to me. A lot of people have said it is a lot smoother but I couldn't really tell. Maybe it was the fact that I only took it 2 stops down or was too excited about the fact that I was on it to notice. But other than that besides me riding it for the first time, my parent recently started training to operate them.
I think it's worth adding that I haven't seen the R211T's yet, as I haven't really needed to take the A or C lines anymore since I moved schools. I hope once I get to see it IRL that I will notice the differences better. 😭😭
Those screens are definitely a huge upgrade, the only problem is safety and cleanliness. If one person gets sick, will they have to remove the entire train out of service?
I think they do that anyway on a train if one person gets sick? IDK. I would say I felt safer on the open gangways. We all know, on regular rolling stock, as soon as that door between cars opens some dumb s*** is about to happen.
@@SuprToe On regular trains, they evacuate the car where the sick passenger was so they remove the train car out of service. But you’re right about the last part lol
Didn’t notice the difference between soft/hard shells! It would be nice to have those in boston, the best we get is the connection between the halfs of Green Line trolleys and walking between CR coaches
Green Line is getting the Type 10 cars which are longer and comprised of 7 articulated sections. The infrastructure in Boston is pretty unique due to its age… lots of sharp curves which prevent the use of open gangway trains. The only heavy rail line that could possibly run them is the orange line. If the red/blue connector ever gets built and the Bowdoin loop is eliminated, then the blue line could possibly run them as well.
As a former R211 foamer, i prefer the r211t soft shell, but at one point someone might hallucinate while walking through the gangways like your walking through the whole entire train. But yeah i like softshell more then hard shell
The only potential issue I see is, there will be those blocking the door while trying to figure out where to go, especially at platforms that have multiple connections from it like Canal St (N) platform.
I'm surprised they didn't choose the "rubber shroud" setup used on Toronto's Rocket-Series trains - I stand in the middle of those articulations all the time no prob.
Standing in the articulation point on either of these is mostly fine. I haven’t been to Toronto, yet, but I’m mostly concerned about the longevity of either of these shells in the NYCT system.
You didn’t have to wait very long to catch it! Luck was definitely on your side that day. Too bad that there are only two open gangway trains at the moment but hopefully more will arrive and that they become the standard subway cars. Was there no way that every single car can be open gangway? Seems strange that you have to get off the train just to switch from hard shell to soft shell and vice versa. Was there a reason for that design choice?
My second idea for a route, is Bway Junc. Pls accept either route, start at 7 Av to Broadway Junction. B from 7 Av to Bryant Park W to 34 St Herald Square (above ground transfer to 8th Avenue-34 Street) A to Times Square (another above ground transfer to Grand Central for the 4 train) 4 to Brooklyn Bridge City Hall J to Canal Street Q to 14 Street-Union Square N to Times Square C to Broadway Junction Pls accept one of them❤
There is a R179 that has the R211 headlights lights in the front that made me feel like I got an R211T but no. I got fool by car 3166. Hate that R179 C car
I have an idea for a route, you can spell, FEB 2024. Please I’ve been a big fan since 2016. Start at BLAF! To 138 St Grand Concourse. F BLAF to W4 E to 7 Av B to Atlantic Av Barclays 2 to Times Square Q to 72 St (aboveground transfer) 2 to 149 St Grand Concourse 4 to 138 St Grand Concourse. Pls accept my request.❤
By The Way, (S) From Grand Central To Times Square (1) (For A "P" To 14th St (A) To 42nd St (M) To 5th Ave (7) To Times Square (Q) To 14th St (N) To Atlantic Ave (For Spelling The Word "Spamton") (Made A Mistake Last Time)
They can, except it would involve a lot of work with the shops/lifts prior doing so. Toronto has 6 car trains (75 ft cars) that are connected and the total length of their trains is 450 ft. Hong Kong uses longer cars that are connected as well. So figuring a 10 car train in NYC with cars being 60 ft each would create a train length of 600 ft, it should be doable.
Suprtoe 3 E M W 6 Start at Barclay center and take the 3 to 42nd street Then take the e to queens plaza then take the M to 42nd street again then W to 59 street and 6 to Grand central Where to now Atlantic avenue Barclays center to grand central
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The wayfinding of the R211s is chef's kiss! Not only are open gangways great for accommodating more passengers, improving crowd flow, and promoting accessibility by making it easier for passengers with disabilities or mobility challenges to move freely within the train (on top of the wheelchair flip seats), but in NYC's case, it prevents subway surfing by eliminating the ability to ride between cars! Open gangway trains provide a continuous line of sight throughout the entire train, which can deter criminal activity and improve passenger safety. It also allows for better monitoring and faster response to incidents or emergencies. Open gangways on the NYC Subway are a huge achievement and were much needed!
I hope for the R262s the MTA goes for an all open gangway fleet and if there is a chance does the same on the states island railway
You're right about soft shells , they can be dangerous in case of a sharp turn somebody can be crushed. I don't know well Nyc subway but if I remember there are some . Somebody was injuried on a tramway here in geneva with those shells . But those trains look wonderful , Mta did a great job buying these
Yeah I think you’re right about their limited turn ability, but I don’t see it as a danger. Seems to me the potential vandalism hazards of soft shells are not worth the extra shoulder space.
@@SuprToeto be fair, the soft shells look like the articulated bus articulations
@@NYCSubwayFan
New Flyer Xcelsior X211 that is
And you get better propulsion imo, but nobody is supposed to hang out in the bellows anyways, it’s an absolute necessity if the trains are packed. Poles are there for support, not because it’s a location for commuters.
@@railfannerjs6308 and it’s not dangerous only if it curves it is dangerous and on the open gangways on both the Hard and soft shills so ones again stop criticizing it
@@SuprToeHi GoGosuprtoe I know you’re not interested in the soft shell but it’s not so bad besides I do prefer the soft shell design and many people like it because there’s more room more grab pull’s for people to stand there and it’s more aesthetic pleasing because the hard shell has less space and are not intended for people to stand there but to only use them to walk between the cars and I am sure bad guys won’t do anything to the soft shell it least I hope not but while I do prefer the soft shell I think both design are good and if we do order more R211T Open gangway trains in the future I would also be happy with either design Although I do feel like it should be the soft shell design
Omg my childhood I miss you for like four years and now you’re still my childhood
I’m glad that the MTA is *finally* introducing open-gangway models. However, it kinda upsets me that it can’t run express via Central Park & Fulton Street considering they get extremely crowded & the fact that many delays/reroutes occur along the A/C causing them to run express. But overall, I like them
Any ideas why open cars can't run express we have open cars in London and they run 60mph express.
@@philsam123I think it’s the way the safety brakes work on the NYC subway, and the position of the express tracks in the center between the other tracks. It would be impossible to check the brakes if they activated. Either that or they’re just testing them on local tracks first before they get confident enough to move them to express, or a combination of both issues.
R211Ts will never be express. I wrote about this train in my school newspaper. Hypothetically, if an R211T’s emergency brakes were to be activated on an express track, it wouldn’t be possible to cross to the other side. On some exp tracks, it is unsafe for R211Ts there. If a train WITHOUT open gangways like an R179, malfunctioned on a exp track, the procedure would be to climb through the space between cars or the last resort is to crawl under the train. Sadly, with the open gangways, there just isn’t a way an R211T will run express. Also MTA president Richard Davey made a decision to “give our C train customers a little love.”
Still cant find anything about richard davey talking about express R211T though
@@1-among-many welp R211T A train ig yay
Awesome video Suprtoe! The new R211T trains are amazing really like the screens and it gives you all the information you need lol
YOU FINALLY CAUGHT IT
That was a great video! These R211Ts with the open gangways are amazing, and I'm glad they're now in service. I hope I get one the next time I ride the C train.
I like how they programmed the door lights to turn green to indicate which side the doors open on. That should make the Subway easier to use for sure!
Im so happy you got to catch them those trains are amazing
GGS, I had the same thought as you when I first saw the soft connectors. I could easily imagine someone spilling a coffee on them leaving a forever stain. Or a fool with a marker defacing them. I say go hard. Cheers from Wisconsin!
Finally he did an r211T video I have been waiting for 15 days I still think MTA should use the soft version since it’s wider and plus the soft shells are very safe if mta protects it
I'll be looking forward to seeing this when I'm in New York this summer. I've been on light rail trains in many cities that have the fabric accordion "soft" dividers, and I'd definitely agree that the hard ones are superior.
Nice job. I hope for future versions like the upcoming R262 they figure out how to improve the design to run on the express lines .
The R262s will definitely have the hard shell. The R262As end ways I'm telling you.
Right, we have the soft shell gangway connectors on basically all rolling stock here in the UK, for example on the S-Stock on the London Underground, they have the soft shell, people are basically used to it, but on something like the DLR, if I remember properly they have the hard shell, which personally I prefer because its not like your gonna get finger stuck, so I understand why you seemed to feel a bit off about those shells. Nice video anyway lad!
Also I just wanted to say I've been watching your videos since I was around 5-7 years old, which was about 8-10 years ago, I found your channel after like a good year or two so I'm glad to have you on my recommended again.
Wow,I rode on one last year,4045-4059 and 4055-4059,those cars were great,but I didn’t get footage of them on the system though.
Im so happy you didn't quit!
i been watching suprtoe for like almost 7 years and its been fun (if you remember nyctrain//a train boi thats me.)
Bro kept saying hard and soft shell I couldn’t tell if he was talking about tacos or trains😂
Considering the content of the video, it really shouldn't be complicated at all.
@@CLBT7437 considering your lack of a sense of humor, I’m surprised you’re even on this channel page
@ianrotheroe2540 I have a pretty high sense of humor, thank you very much.
Lucky you, the R211T showed up right away and you didn't have to wait all day for one to show up. The hard shell design looks safer to me than the soft shell. I am hoping to catch one of these soon. I have still yet to ride any of the R211 sets.
I actually caught an R211T C train yesterday afternoon but it took off once I got to Hoyt Street going the opposite direction. I saw so many R211s yesterday and I missed my chance to ride it yesterday darn 😢
I didn't expect the interior part of the gangway to be a wall, but I guess it's better so no one decides to try wrecking it
The same thing happened to me at Euclid age I wasn’t even expecting it to come and it showed up so I got on I was actually waiting for the A R211 since it less of a wait cause in more in service..I didn’t even know until I watched this that the hard shell and soft shell is a 5 and 5 split of one train I thought it was separate trains glad you were able to catch it super p.s. if anyone can tell me what that thing is connected to the end of the seats I banged my elbow on it when I was on it
I remember my first time taking a 211, it was so amazing because I remember it being around a week or so after they got put into service. The only thing I have to say is that although there are a lot of things that are different / have shown advances compared to the r179's, it didn't really feel that different riding it to me. A lot of people have said it is a lot smoother but I couldn't really tell. Maybe it was the fact that I only took it 2 stops down or was too excited about the fact that I was on it to notice. But other than that besides me riding it for the first time, my parent recently started training to operate them.
I think it's worth adding that I haven't seen the R211T's yet, as I haven't really needed to take the A or C lines anymore since I moved schools. I hope once I get to see it IRL that I will notice the differences better. 😭😭
@@meowcammiSpring break is here, you might have time.
Can you go to Washington DC and ride the blue and red lines somday
Those screens are definitely a huge upgrade, the only problem is safety and cleanliness. If one person gets sick, will they have to remove the entire train out of service?
I think they do that anyway on a train if one person gets sick? IDK. I would say I felt safer on the open gangways. We all know, on regular rolling stock, as soon as that door between cars opens some dumb s*** is about to happen.
@@SuprToe On regular trains, they evacuate the car where the sick passenger was so they remove the train car out of service. But you’re right about the last part lol
@@newyorkcity.bikingEach car has a slide out door that the train crews can pull out if they need to.
Didn’t notice the difference between soft/hard shells! It would be nice to have those in boston, the best we get is the connection between the halfs of Green Line trolleys and walking between CR coaches
Green Line is getting the Type 10 cars which are longer and comprised of 7 articulated sections. The infrastructure in Boston is pretty unique due to its age… lots of sharp curves which prevent the use of open gangway trains. The only heavy rail line that could possibly run them is the orange line. If the red/blue connector ever gets built and the Bowdoin loop is eliminated, then the blue line could possibly run them as well.
As a former R211 foamer, i prefer the r211t soft shell, but at one point someone might hallucinate while walking through the gangways like your walking through the whole entire train. But yeah i like softshell more then hard shell
Hey super Toe I was on an R46 W train just for you , and an R160 E train on Wednesday.
the hard shell r211 is asome it allows people to go to different carts without crowding!
R211T’s are amazing! I’ll have to hunt them down again when I get the chance.
Great video, keep working hard and making good videos an you will get more subscribers
The exit info on the FIND displays is a plus for The TA.
The only potential issue I see is, there will be those blocking the door while trying to figure out where to go, especially at platforms that have multiple connections from it like Canal St (N) platform.
I think i prefer the hard shell because it gives a place to lean, but we'll have to see what they go with in the end
Hong Kong MTR has hard shell over gangway that’s almost as wide as the trains cars. They’re also super quiet
Great job hunting this absolute monster down!
I got to ride these on of these days
I like the soft shell and how roomy it was but i agree with ya on this. the harder shell would be better in this case.
Gotta say, if they put these on the J, specifically the soft shells, you can’t put them anywhere NEAR Crescent St. you all know why
It can ❤
I'm surprised they didn't choose the "rubber shroud" setup used on Toronto's Rocket-Series trains - I stand in the middle of those articulations all the time no prob.
Standing in the articulation point on either of these is mostly fine. I haven’t been to Toronto, yet, but I’m mostly concerned about the longevity of either of these shells in the NYCT system.
The soft shell rubber & jiggly ribbed things look a bit creepy when they jiggle and wiggle.
Nice catch i enjoy the videos man
20 Years later than Munich, well done!
lol right? that the MTA is even experimenting with these is a miracle.
If supertoe is your favorite TH-camr
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Man Suprtoe you lucky to see the r211T
Why the R211’s Display for the destinations on the outside was flashing a lot
We should give respect to him, subways crimes are so high, he is risking his life for people to watch his videos
Next video you should do is a rolling stock bingo where you ride, each one of the different types.
Suprtoe i went to NYC today i rode the C train but i did not ride the R211T only R179
It only works on weekday i think up to 7:30pm
You didn’t have to wait very long to catch it! Luck was definitely on your side that day. Too bad that there are only two open gangway trains at the moment but hopefully more will arrive and that they become the standard subway cars. Was there no way that every single car can be open gangway? Seems strange that you have to get off the train just to switch from hard shell to soft shell and vice versa. Was there a reason for that design choice?
Super toe You were riding 4043 soft shell set
And One More Thing Go Go Suprtoe I Will Be Back On The Trains 🚆 Soon
You did it in my Birthday!
My second idea for a route, is Bway Junc. Pls accept either route, start at 7 Av to Broadway Junction.
B from 7 Av to Bryant Park
W to 34 St Herald Square (above ground transfer to 8th Avenue-34 Street)
A to Times Square (another above ground transfer to Grand Central for the 4 train)
4 to Brooklyn Bridge City Hall
J to Canal Street
Q to 14 Street-Union Square
N to Times Square
C to Broadway Junction
Pls accept one of them❤
Daam The MTA Probably took notes from London :)
Hey super toe on 2 fast that you record at chambers there was r142 1
I don’t know about you but Supertoe seemed to drop the “I HATE R46” thing. He might even get on the R46 retirement train when it runs of course
There is a R179 that has the R211 headlights lights in the front that made me feel like I got an R211T but no. I got fool by car 3166. Hate that R179 C car
Fr I saw it
Me And My Spamton Plush Is Going to Hunt For The R211T Tomorrow!
Nice job super toe caught ing the train
You mean caught
I FOUND A R160 Q TRAIN TO CONEY ISLAND but sadly it got taken out of service😢
Same
Just passed another one right behind supertoe so there’s 2 R211T’s
I have an idea for a route, you can spell, FEB 2024. Please I’ve been a big fan since 2016.
Start at BLAF! To 138 St Grand Concourse.
F BLAF to W4
E to 7 Av
B to Atlantic Av Barclays
2 to Times Square
Q to 72 St (aboveground transfer)
2 to 149 St Grand Concourse
4 to 138 St Grand Concourse.
Pls accept my request.❤
I rode both R211 A and C trains 6 days before you!
Hey supertoe ive never watched you in alot
I hope Suprtoe Goes Back To WTN And TSN This Year
By The Way,
(S) From Grand Central To Times Square
(1) (For A "P" To 14th St
(A) To 42nd St
(M) To 5th Ave
(7) To Times Square
(Q) To 14th St
(N) To Atlantic Ave
(For Spelling The Word "Spamton")
(Made A Mistake Last Time)
LETS GOOO HE SAW MY REPLY TO FIND THE R211T
I wonder if they can make the whole train flexible
They can, except it would involve a lot of work with the shops/lifts prior doing so. Toronto has 6 car trains (75 ft cars) that are connected and the total length of their trains is 450 ft. Hong Kong uses longer cars that are connected as well. So figuring a 10 car train in NYC with cars being 60 ft each would create a train length of 600 ft, it should be doable.
When you’re gonna upload again
Still haven’t caught the second set
Idea:go to the transit museum
What if you did a video about riding every single train model
It’s been suggested and it’s on the list. A follower on Twitter came up with a way to gamify it and now I’m interested. We shall see.
@@SuprToewould you separate different variants like R160A and R160B or just consider it an R160
When can you do a TSN or WTN?
They have a second set 😊
Are you doing another video
Finally came on video
Hard shell all the way. Hopefully NYCT agrees.
Day 8 of asking you to go to all versions of the botanical gardens (if you want to then Staten Island is ok)
Cool nice job 👍
Suprtoe
3
E
M
W
6
Start at Barclay center and take the 3 to 42nd street
Then take the e to queens plaza then take the M to 42nd street again then W to 59 street and 6 to Grand central
Where to now Atlantic avenue Barclays center to grand central
the R211S are out
“That new train smell”
Cool Video
(7)(R)(A)(1)(N)(F)(A)(N) = Trainfan
(7) Start at 34 Street Hudson Yards - Times Square
(R) From Times Square - Cortlandt St/WTC/Chambers
(A) From Chambers - 34 Street Penn Station
(1) From 34 Street Penn Station - Times Square
(N) From Times Square - 34 Street Herald Sq
(F) From 34 Street Herald Sq - West 4th Street
(A) West 4th Street - Port Authority
(N) From Times Square - 57 Street 7 Avenue.
Imagine telling a guy in the 80s about this train
Gogosupertoe 🎉
Do u guys know if the R211T run on the Weekends?
I’m a big fan of the R211 I agree That R46s are bad to ride
Nice choo choo train.
Needs goosuprhighpitchtoe
0:33 r211 A train
All trains in Hong Kong is hard shells
I like the softshell better
Hi
Why do you sound like you’re in a cult in this vid lol?
AND HARD TO KILL BEDBUGS AND ROACHES
sorry but I have to be honest, the ASMR ruined the video in my opinion 😭
Too many bells and whistles.
you sound so sad suprtoe, whats wrong
He might be sick but he was sick in December so I highly doubt it
Actually nevermind, he said at the beginning he was trying something 'different'.
They copied amtrak
R211T C Train 🚆 Go Go Suprtoe