Eureka Single Dose: All Is Forgiven
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 พ.ค. 2022
- I returned my Eureka Mignon Oro Single Dose #CoffeeGrinder to the factory for dissection. A replacement unit arrived recently from Italy, and it's like a different machine. Did Eureka fix it completely? Has it become the grinder we hoped for? I will say I'm impressed, and I bet you will be too.
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I have one which is two months old. I'm very happy with it. It took a while to season the burrs, but now it's quiet, very consistent and the coffee is delicious.
May i ask what grinder did you use prior to the Eureka? I heard the flat burrs in it help you eliminate some sour notes
@@wytzevogel2023 I had the sage/breville grinder.
@@FatNorthernBigot can you really taste the differences
You did an amazing job on this review. I watched others and none of them went into the detail you did and I appreciate your attention to detail which was enough for me to end my research on your video and buy one. Thanks again!
Great analysis and followup - Eureka should give you an award!
This grinder became serious consideration for me.
I love love love your whole channel and your view on everything
Thanks, and welcome aboard :)
Thank you for sharing
That's a much improved machine. Still bought the niche though and that choice was based on your in depth review of it. Thanks for the informative content.
Glad it was helpful!
All I have is the Single Dose hopper they make for Specialita and Friends and I can confirm it also has a smoothly polished flap, that fits well. Huge upgrade in feel from the plastic one on the stock hopper. To bad it doesn't come with the wood lid of the Oro, gonna have to make one. Getting a tilt stand too so my Franken-Oro will soon be fully armed and operational.
Thanks for sharing. I like hearing from fellow modders :)
I am very pleased to hear this as I just ordered one, but the initial reviews were less than stellar. But this is the second (newer review) that makes it seem much improved. The other was more from a usages / performance view. While yours was a very informative under the hood breakdown 👍🏽
I got from new batch and it has been nothing but all good.
Your vids and voice are excellent lol still can't make my mind up due to the tricky dialing in on the eureka !
Ray of sunshine
This is really wild now.
Wow!!
Did you see the Lance Hedrick video from 2022/05/21? You got a shout-out! Congrats, and thanks for your great content.
Yes, thank you. Gotta love Lance's work :)
Cheers for the great content!💪🏻
Does the specialita also tend to have that issue with the upper burr fattering if the spring is not under enough tension? I have trouble getring consistent shots, also everything is kept the same shot after shot… or is it a different system in the Specialita? Thanks a lot
Nice review.Would love your expert opinion on the Korean/Chinese grinder Itop40 plus. Contemplating which is a better choice Eureka Specialita or Itop40 plus,cheers.
not surprised by Eureka's probablemtic quality control. 2 year ago when I bought a Eureka silencio it would not even start. Then I returned it and got a rocket fausino (which is also made by Eureka) the machine has very bad touch control and would often have beans stuck in the hopper. I am keeping it because no niche was in stock at that time but it is the biggest regret I have in my espresso setup.
I’ve never heard of Eureka having much of a problem until I got on this channel. I guess it’s an anti Eureka site.
Hi thanks for the true objective reviews you give us! I'm thinking of buying a new grinder and I'm doubting between the Eureka Single Dose, Niche Duo and DF83 V2 Single Dose. I will be using the grinder for espresso's and Late's. Can you give me an advice? Which one would you choose and why? Or am I forgetting a better 4th one? Hope to hear from you... thanks!
Regarding the rattling of the hopper cone at 8:25, I fond that small transparent hair ties used as a buffer around the cone arms work wonders and are trivial to remove.
Thanks for the tip :)
I might bumped into a batch 1.0. Retrofitted the XL-s chamber + declumper, removed the metal chute. Now retention and airflow is much better.
Do you know what changed in batch 1.1 in terms of the chamber and vibration damping?
Good to see that Eureka improved the grinder. I am wondering how many dB it now generates and if you are able to identify this "second version" by it serialcode.
Without a proper audio lab, db measurements, off some phone app, are only good for comparison. This no longer makes noise you would object to. The improvements seem to be an evolution so I don't think there's a SN cutoff. The really bad ones have probably been sold and returned by now.
Thank You. Do you feel a difference in cup between the 55mm burrs and the 65mm burrs Eureka?
Thanks for these amazing videos, Thomas!
Judging by my rough hopper gate, chute, and non-fitting lid I probably have an earlier batch (even though only purchased in May). I suppose I could fix those myself.
However, I'm not sure about vibration. It does vibrate noticeably, but it's my first grinder so I don't have much comparison to tell if this is normal or might cause problems down the line.
Do you know what they fixed to improve vibration? Maybe I could try to improve it myself. I've seen your previous video with the firm rubber paddings. But I guess that's not what Eureka did in the newer batch?
Regards
It's hard to know what amount of vibration is too much. The internals are heavy duty. Maybe the test should be, does it bother you. It's a known issue, so exchanging it should not be a problem. Good luck with it in any case :)
Hey, I just want to share here one extremely important discovery regarding fines that Oro produces when grinding courser for V60. Accidentally, I run on Home barista post of one guy that removed declumper from the chamber where coffee goes out into the funnel. And I did the same thing - removed it. And I couldn't believe result! All fines GONE when grinding for V60. I wanted to emphasize this here on your review since I tried all things that you mentioned, burrs leveling, spring tightning etc. but there were maybe minor improvements with that stuff. And then this, just remove the declumper and fines are gone.
Is the Oro the same as regular Single Dose version? Also are these two viable for all brewing methods or strictly for espresso?
Great video. Im really looking into this grinder for my home setup but the question I do have regarding adjustment of the grind size. As another review mentioned you need to turn the nob a few rides to go from espresso to pour over which might be a bit less intuitive.. any thoughts on that?
The BP has a rotation limiter, but perhaps it can simply be removed?
How would I know newest version is being sold on my local suppliers? What are the newest date of the new manufactured machines?
Great and careful analysis, particularly about technical aspects - much to learn! But about two design mistake I am wondering: why didn't they give up the unnecessary, still cheap looking, plastic funnel on top, and does the lid not fit to it and the blower equally?
That first video scared me away. Even with these improvements, I decided to go with the Spec
A solid choice.
How many grams of coffee can hold this hopper? I’m looking to replace the large one on my specialita for smaller one. I think on description it’s says holds up to 45g, but looks little bigger.
Thanks for the review. How is this compared to the Libra?
How do i know if the version am gonna buy is the new or the old one ?
Is there any other way to test runout ? Or fix it?!
I could get this machine and niche zero for the same price, and I was looking for my first electric grinder. I loved the mignons design and wanted a flat burr grinder, but the static and coffee retention is concerning me. Do you think when we change the grind setting, we have to grind a little of coffee to push the old grind setting? Or the retention is so low that it's not necessary?
Hi Thomas, great video and thank you for taking the time to share this. I found another video that says the issues with the declumper persist even with the latest batch. They suggest swapping the chute/declumper with those off Mignon XL. Do you have any experience with this? Also, in your new batch, do they still use zip ties underneath?
Actually, someone else has asked about this and you have responded, so ignore the 'declumper' question. Just the zip ties, please? 🙂
They still use the zip ties; I swapped mine out for white ones, which helped calm my OCD a bit :)
Just had a novel sized comment disappear as I was typing it, so I’ll assume it was the coffee gods telling me to get to the point. Bought the Oro SD after a lot of reading based on your review. I’m having a heck of a time dialing it in. I’ll start at a number a turn and a half out from zero (burrs chirp) it will gush. I’ll go a bit finer and finer until all of a sudden it chokes the espresso machine. If a back up again a small amount it will gush again. This time I will go back to the number that had it choked and low an behold it gushes. It’s almost like the burrs are loosening a bit? I’ll try taking the machine apart to make sure nothing is loose and checking alignment (with your excellent video for reference) but I am bit worried about losing my set point again. For reference with my Sette 270 I could usually dial in my grind within a couple shots even if I had changed it dramatically. (As note, I really like the Sette, but I wanted to delegate that to my SO’s morning Mocamaster cup. Seemed mean to have her using pre ground beans)
Have you tried using the bellows and hopper from the single dose on the specialita? Or do they not fit?
Good question. I did try, and found the hopper fit loosely in the Spet, and the gasket under the lid looked different too. It kinda worked, but not as well as on the SD. I don't think the air seals properly. If you want to get creative, a couple of large rubber washers might prove useful :)
Have you tried the Eureka Mignon Zero, looks like a Specialità with bellows from the factory? Trying to decide between the Oro single dose and Mignon Zero.
I haven't tried it, but the specs are the same as the Spet without the touch screen. I tried the SD hopper and bellows on my Spet and found it didn't fit quite right, but I'd expect the Zero to be fitted properly.
Great series of videos on the Oro. Subbed because of them.
I have a question regarding the adjustment lever that you mentioned in the first video. I had exactly this issue, and tried fixing it with your method. However, after multiple tries, the results are the same. Big boulders and fine grounds when grinding for v60. It seems to me that it's still moving despite the spring now being completely compressed (mind you, I have tried it with a small distance between them as well). Do you have any suggestions on what to do?
Sounds like the burrs aren't parallel. I have a video on burr alignment that might help. I would recommend that you loosen that spring nut by about one full turn.
@@wiredgourmet thanks for your answer. I already aligned the burs using your method(not to the extreme like you did in the video with mignon though). I've come to the conclusion that the grinder is broken, and has been since the beginning. I discovered small bits aluminum in the coffee grounds. When disassembling the machine, I could see that one of the bits responsible for the zero retention is touching the side of the grinder, effectively shaving off pieces of metal.. So the motor shaft or the plate that the burr is attached to is off its angle.. Don't know what to do about it, since neither the reseller nor eureka is getting back to me. Just plain bad luck it seems.
Will Eureka do a recall of the first version? I have the first version and it’s crazily noisy and lots of vibration. Located in SG and wonder if a refund is possible.
jeah i also thought about that. Maybe mailing them as we were the beta users? I also have very high retention issues :/
I don't think there will be a recall, but the reseller you bought it from should be willing to refund or exchange it, surely.
Which one is better for espresso ?
How do you do the voice? It is text to speech? Which one? It’s pretty good.
I would love to see your review of the DF64!
I have reached out for a loaner. No answer so far...
Great video!! Just got my Oro a week ago and do really like it however, I’m having trouble with the shoot blocking when grinding for V60. Have you had any issues? If I only use the bellows at the end of a grind the shoot at the clump crusher blocks. I find that if I use the bellows as soon as the coffee drops from the hopper I don’t get blockages but do get grinds everywhere. I’ve contacted Eureka about using the shoot from the XL as I’ve seen in another YT video but after an initial interest they have stopped responding to my questions. Very frustrating as its a great but seriously flawed machine if it constantly blocks.
I've had no problems with that, but some viewers report issues. I wonder if climate could be involved; it's very humid where I live. I might try removing the little clump breaker and running it for a few days, to see if it works better. Good luck.
I'M new to espresso and am looking for a grinder for light roast espresso that doesn't require any fussing with. No shimming, no tinkering with screws. Any suggestions?
Do you happen to know what material the burrs are made from? I would be looking to use RDT to minimize any static and the burrs look uncoated. If they are something like a 440 stainless it should be fine but if they are uncoated carbon steel, I'd be worried about corrosion.
It is a tool steel treated with a cryo process. Not stainless, not coated. Eureka doesn't recommend RDT, probably for that reason.
@@wiredgourmet Thank you!
I heard you say you can grind for pour over, but how about coarse enough for cold brew? I know these generally go from espresso to maybe pour over.
That's right, the companies build for espresso to pourover or French press. You could try a brewing-specific machine like the Eureka brew pro or something similar for a better result. But grinder companies don't seem to worry about cold brew.
Please please do a review on the df64. Im torn between getting it over the mignon xl.
I reached out to the company about a loaner, but haven't heard back yet.
Hi, thanks for your review! Would you still recommend the Eureka Single Dose in the 400-600€ range? Or is there a better competitor // Side note: The Niche costs around 700€ in germany, so its so expensive for me :)
I wouldn't pay more than 500 for the niche. I thought the AllGround was very nice (have reviewed it here), but at the top of your price range. The Eureka SD would be fine for 500 or less.
Do you still get vibration through the adjustment dial?
Yes, that's where I feel it most. I wouldn't call it bad nowadays, but it was awful on my first SD.
Awesome video. When was your updated grinder manufactured? I am looking at one with the date 24/03/2022 and was wondering if this is from the new updated batch.
Thanks. Mine is 21/01/22. I don't think the assembly date guarantees that no older parts were used, but it's a good sign.
How would you be able to tell if one you order is the “new version” vs the original with all the issues?
I hate that companies do this and there is seldom a way to differentiate between versions unless you get the grinder in hand…
The improvements seem to be an evolution so I don't think there's a SN cutoff. The really bad ones have probably been sold and returned by now. I wouldn't be afraid to buy from a busy reseller now. It's really a question of which resellers are going to make things a breeze for you if they have any lemons still in stock.
I just went to their website and I find that the Specialita is no longer there. Did they retire it? I just bought mine six months ago.
It's still there: www.eureka.co.it/en/catalogo/prodotti/macinacaff%C3%A8+istantaneo/1/20.aspx
Best technical reviews!! Could you do the fiorenzato allground?
Funny you should ask. Doing one now. Should be up in a matter of days.
@@wiredgourmet Mines on the way! I hope you approve... Im upgrading from a baratza vario w with steel burs. It makes good coffee just wanted a new toy to mess around with. The Fiorenzato Allground has several features that I like compared to several other sub 1000 dollar grinders...(easy to dissemble and clean without tools, noise level, I like the clicks and the micro adjustments even though its not stepless, I also dont like the small knob on the eurekas so im a fan of a larger dial in mechanism, I like the 64 flat reds, there is a odd chute that comes in and out held in by magnets for easy access to clean, suppose to grind all types of coffee "allground", lots of colors to match, I got the chrome and black to match with my ECM classika PID flow control machine, I heard the touch screen is also very responsive and not cheap feeling (I was hesitant because sometimes techy things break and having something more mechanical is more reliable and reparable).
im gettting it in tomorrow. I cant wait!
Is their an improvement in quality of cup compared to specialita?
It's the same burr geometry, so no. It's just faster.
The screw that holds the hopper on. What actually holds the screw? There is no threading on any piece of mine. Has it fallen out some how?
There's a metal clip in the plastic lid. The screw just bears against the hopper neck.
Would be good a review of the "Turin/solo/etc" DF64
I reached out to the company about a loaner, but haven't heard back yet.
As a robot user, what would you recommend for someone for only espresso making?
The 1Zpresso JE-Plus that I reviewed works nicely with it. Also the Eureka Specialita and the Niche Zero if you want it electric and not too pricey.
I got a specialita last year and moded it with a single dose hopper and bellow. I spray my bottles with a little bit of water (works wonders against static). However, when I rock my specialita back and let it fall forward lots of clumps fall down. Any advice you can give to prevent this?
They all do that; the grind chamber isn't exactly the same as the Oro ones and doesn't hold the air pressure from the bellows. All I can say is, make a habit of rocking it like that into the cup or pf, or put it on a tray or mat with a lip so the grit doesn't migrate all over the kitchen counter.
How did you remove the dialing knob ? I need to remove it in order to remove the front panel for cleaning
Just unscrew it. You will lose your last grind setting each time.
@@wiredgourmet ok..I thought about that but then I should find the 0 point each time I clean the machine. Anyway...I have another question if you want to help me with. I purchase the first version and after some problems (I can go into details) the retailer says that I can get the money back or I can get another one from a new batch. What do you advise me to do ? I see that some of the problems are fixed in this version but how will it last in a few years?
@@FilipLaurentiu I'm satisfied with the replacement one I got, from a later batch. It feels like a device that will last several years in home use.
But did they also fix retention issues?
I was lucky on that point with both machines I've owned. No problem with retention; the bellows works as intended. I know some users reported retention issues, but I haven't experienced any. (Could be the climate; it's super humid here.)
How is retentiooooo?
They need to add a hose for mainlining
Your initial review of the single dose actually was the clincher in me looking away from it and ordering a Niche. Even with this update in mind I still dont regret ordering a Niche as the adjustment dial is significantly more intuitive on the Niche, as I want to do espresso and filter with the same grinder. Going round and round with this dial still doesnt appeal to me.
I think Niche Zero is a better grinder even after the fixes, the Eureka burrs are not high clarity as some flat burrs are, so you're not missing out on much. The only advantage of the Oro SD is that it grinds faster, but not a big deal for home use.
Good choice. The Zero wins hands down on ease of use, and makes fine espresso. I'm very pleased with mine. The Eureka is more fiddly and takes patience and skill to dial in -- and you have to remember where you parked it, which I complained about in my first Specialita review. A simple rotation counter would be welcome. Still, I really like it, too. Makes vastly better pourover than the Niche. Anyway, do enjoy it :)
@@wiredgourmet I only got it for pour over. Thanks for your great reviews.
@@wiredgourmet I really like the character and volume of the sound the Niche makes.
@@BensCoffeeRants Where can I find a reputable niche zero seller in the US?
Any plans on ding a review on the x54? Seems like a well put together grinder as well
Is this the 1.1? And would you choose this over the niche?
It's a more recent one, yes. I prefer the Eureka as a multipurpose grinder. The Niche is fine for espresso and Turkish, but would not be my first choice for drip or Moka pot.
@@wiredgourmet awesome, thanks for your input!
Not really a redemption for people who trusted Eureka to release quality products and got stuck with the original batch. I returned mine, luckily the shop I got it from was cool, but it definitely left a bad taste in my mouth towards Eureka and especially for their newer models like this.
Nice they're fixing it up, but it never should have been released with so many issues.
@catastrofy that sucks I was thinking people would do that on the used market.
nice test-update! do 64mm burrs fit on this grinder?
No
If it's anything like his prior review, no. I think he tried to test-fit some SSP burrs and no dice, the screw holes don't match up.
I was going to say, 'make sure the screw holes line up,' but someone mentioned it already :)
The main problem I see is with the mechanism for dialing in the grind. From what I understand, I’d have to rotate the dial 360º one or more times to switch from pour-over to espresso. So if more than one person is using the grinder, that can get confusing, not knowing what the actual setting is. I really like the grind setting mechanism on the Ceado E37SD but that grinder is overkill for my needs - too big and too expensive.
I complained about that in my first Specialita review. You always have to remember where you parked it. The Niche is great for ease of use, but wouldn't be my first choice for anything other than espresso.
@@wiredgourmet That's good to know. Other reviewers were more vague when talking about using the Niche for drip.
Actually, I don't own an espresso machine yet - just a Virtuoso and a Clever Coffee Dripper. I'm putting all my savings into a new business right now and if that becomes successful in a year or two, I might buy the Odyssey Argo if it gets good reviews along with Oro SD or Niche. For the time being, I really like the Virtuoso for full immersion coffee.
this is why i got the x54, better construction than most of brands in a similar price range.
Glad to hear as their Vario was a joke.
@@OKuusava that's a different brand, this is Mahlkonig
@@Cenot4ph You mean this time the logo means more than other times? Mahlköning I talking about, what brand you are talking? Same brand motor even, or not Ditting this time? Oh well, some sparky DC-motor still.
Can you have a look at the new DF64?
Is there a new df64? :O
It's on my list for the Fall.
Firstly thank you for the detail you've gone into here. I hate to nitpick but I was mildly irritated that you used pliers to hold the hex bolt rather than a socket!
Ah, rules! You see, I'm trying to feel the contact surface, to judge its area, and a socket fits too loosely. Vise grips, adjusted by an experienced hand, give sensitive tactile feedback without lash. As you can plainly see, there are no marks on the nut. Sockets are of course safer for inexperienced hands. Thus apprentices are scolded for using pliers. Masters, not so much :) That said, I would never tighten or loosen the nut itself with pliers. I am simply rotating the burr carrier, after all.
@@wiredgourmet seeing as it was fairly early on in the video and I've not seen your work previously I winced but watching through it made little sense, not having a socket but having vernier calipers and runout gauges!
I've learnt something here and I stand corrected, thank you for the reply!
What your thoughts on Eureka Manuale?? BTW.. This is call as a review.. Learn from it young fellas
JUNE 2024 - STILL WAY TOO MUCH VIBRATION. I purchased this grinder new in Australia. I had read all about the first batch's vibration issues, and that they'd been resolved. Sadly, these ORO Single Dose units still have 3-4 times the vibration of Eureka's upright grinders, even vs the XL with same 65mm burr set. I was shocked and disappointed, so I drove to the distributor to compare the Eureka range. The vibrations on their display Single Dose were almost as bad as the one shipped to me. I believe it is a fundamental flaw with the 15 degree tilt of the motor.
I don't mind paying 1400$ for a flat burr grinder, what do you recommend? Should be single dose of course 🤓😅
coffee.ceado.com/en/products/57-single-dose/5-e37_sd
It still has useless front cover with middle start stop button. That is a shame for a huge company.
Well, to be precise, the SD has a blank, not an actual button, but yes, that whole piece could have been nicer :)
Jesus Christ this is so bloody boring it’s a grinder for crying out loud 🙈🙈😂😂
It's so ugly compared to the niche zero.
Eureka appears to consistently releasing products with problems. I had purchased a Eureka Helios 80 that had a de-clumper problem. I suffered with the machine for a solid 4 months before I started making an issue out of it. The de-clumper at the shoot is made of this material that is akin to candy floss. Its so feeble/weak that it bends upwards and out of the way - rendering you with no de-clumper. My beans were coming out in slabs! You can see this on my youtube. The local Eureka agent kept saying it needs time to season, or to use a needle-distributor. I finally pulled apart the machine and found that the clumper had bent upwards and out of the way. Nothing in the chute mouth to de-clump. Showed this to the agent who then emailed Eureka in Italy who admitted they were aware of this fault. Then why didn't they issue recall? Wheres good corporate behavior? Why didn't they announce it on their website and/or tell agents to contact customers.
Anyways, they then said "a fix" will be out soon. I waited two months before giving up on their, consistently, poor corporate honesty. I returned it.
I now see the same issue with the Oro.
Whats happening with Eureka? Are they not testing production units?
Or are they partnering with below-par manufacturers who change specification after Eureka tests production units?
Whatever it is, shame on Eureka for putting out sub-par products and not being transparent about it.
They never ever reached out to me.
And what transparent firms good declumper-grinder you have now then?
If you'd asked nicely, I would've told you.
@@CorrupteddSanity Yes, we guess why you hide the great info ;-) -But I have to admit there is one brand which say clearly their grinders are shitty and expensive for the quality. And we guess that brand too.