FS2020: Velocity One Flightdeck First Impressions - Very Advanced Stuff! (PC MSFS Only)
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⌚Timestamps⌚
Intro & First Impressions of the Flightdeck: (0:00)
Overview of the V1 Flight Hanger app: (9:29)
Using the Flightdeck in MSFS: (15:31)
Conclusions & recommendations: (22:21)
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So happy I was really waiting for this video !!!
Thanks Huddison, I was waiting for this video and am looking forward to the next one.❤
More to come ;)
Thank you for this upload. Very interesting product but without a default profile, I'll wait on this. I'll be looking for future videos by you and hopefully some more updates so it's more compatible for MSFS. Thank you for taking the time to do this.
Great feedback.
A bit surprising that Turtle Beach couldn't put the effort in to make profiles for the price point
@@jhallock Its not them that has to make the profiles. Its either the community or MSFS / DCS etc. I would only really buy this for DCS anyway, and as anyone who's played DCS will tell you, profiles don't exist. You have to find them online or make them.
This looks great and fab addition to simming on PC. There are to many buttons I’d likely get lost with them all. Keep those reviews coming, I’d like to see everything this beast can do in future.
You bet; just editing another video on it ;)
Great video, thanks. A big plus is that they use Hall Effect Sensors on pitch, roll & yaw.
The zones and buttons on the touchscreen is hardcoded to a keyboard stroke so if you want to assign the autopilot to the touchscreen you first have to change the autopilot in the game to match the key activated by the touchpad.
The other issue with the touchscreen is the toggle switch does not operate like a toggle does. It is bound to one keystroke so while it will send the keystroke signal when you switch to on, it does not send it again when you switch to off so the toggle sequence is on to apply toggle then off and then on again to remove the toggled state.
very nice, its on my wishlist
Great Video Sir. Just got mine today and have to agree with you, the quality and button options is mind blowing. The software is daunting at first but becomes fairly easy after a while.
One thing I have noticed is that the indent at half way on throttle where forward thrust and reverse thrust starts is a pain to setup in MSFS. Wanted to have reverse thrust on same lever but for some reason it only works for one way from 0 to 100%. maybe Im going mad, possibly but maybe Ive just overlooked something.
Overall, I am chuffed with the HOTAS, even the wife is impressed which says something. Keep the videos coming. Good Job
Now if the wife is happy, then what more can one ask for.
this looks like a decent piece of kit. I've gone down the rabbit hole of making my own HOTAS and specific control panels but if I had the spare cash I'd love to have one of these for general purpose.
Regarding the trim. In the Turtle Beach app you have the wheel set as an Axis. In MSFS you were trying to set the trim as a button. In MSFS you need to assign the trim as an “axis”.
Thankss. Will try
I really hope this comes out for Xbox as well, as much as I love my V1 flight stick, this thing is awesome
It is quite awesome.
I just watched your flight stick video and you were talking bout throttle and bam today magic of TH-cam
😀
Heel erg mooi!
Thanks for this video. It will be interesting to see how well it holds up over time. The comments I see on the HOTAS subreddit aren't encouraging so I'm holding off for a bit.
I'll be keeping an eye on it.
I'm guessing these comments are relating it to Siatek/Logitech issues (X55/X56) issues in the past? My X55 did give up the ghost, but this was after several years of impeccible service. Logitech fixed a lot of the problems which plagued the X55. I'm still using my X56 and love it. I know this is about the Velocity One Flightdeck, but I'm assuming folks are relating this product to the X55/X56 as the stick design and mechanics looks identical.
@@dtrjones Here's a post by someone who bought two of them. The things that stand out are poor quality control and the inability to map the touch screen buttons to your liking. Maybe the latter can be fixed by a software update.
@@xenaandzenafromsanbernadin3807ok thanks for the clarification. This all sounds very famiiar with the X55/X56 series as well.
On the x-56 HOTAS I mapped the pinky switch to the brakes. Works great if you don’t have pedals already.
Do you enjoy your x-56? It was my first option, especially for the throttle, but many friends said the joystick is meh... what's your opinion?
I've got it ,looks great feels great ,I'd like to see some default profiles and soon👍
I'm thinking they really _must_ come soon.
I got mine a few days ago and it's still sitting in its box. I know this is going to take a while to set up, so I'll make some time in the near future. Like you said, hopefully they will integrate the Flight Deck into the sim.
Don't 'Dilly Dally' with it; it's quite a lot of fun to set up.
Wonder if this would be an upgrade from the X-56 HOTAS. I guess time will tell. Thanks for the review! Looks like an amazing setup!!
I'm still enjoying it!
@@Huddison Excellent!
Thinking of getting a control for the Xbox console. I see where you gave the velocity one great reviews, but in the background of this video, I can see the honeycomb yolk. Do you think the Honeycomb is the better overall option?
The honeycomb XPC is the most responsive Yoke I've yet encountered. I have lots of flight-sim peripherals though; I still recommend the V1 Yoke system as a great & convenient all-in-one solution.
Can't believe you didn't reference the Siatek/Logitech X55/X56 as the inspiration for this. A good amount of switches and nobs are in exactly the same place. There's also a fair bit different. I have to say I like it but it also probably suffers from the cheaper stick movement of the X56 but I like the fact the base support for the stick is hieght adjustable. To be honest, I know some folks prefer the VKB STECS and EVO but I've found those sticks to look god damn awful, so this will do nicely as an upgrade to my X56 and pretty much the same price, thank you very much.
Thanks for your feedback. I've never owned the X55 or X56 (although I was one day hoping to); interesting to hear about the Flightdeck being based on them.
I'd rather have the quallity internals and software of VKB over better looks with the RBG, because when i use it i'm not even looking that much at my HOTAS. Also the fact that this one does not have physical detents is a huge downside to me
If you change the joystick trim wheel to digital buttons that allows trim up and trim down, although not as good at fine tuning
Yes, would love to see this with DCS World, thanks, it looks impressive.
I'll aim to do that.
X-56 is very good too!
This looks great, my only reservation is the touch pad is largely useless for VR players.
It's not overly useful for non VR players either.
8:07 if you assign this to both left and right brake axes, then you could have a much smoother brake than if you assign a button (for people who don't have rudder pedals anyway). This would also leave the trigger (commonly used as the brake) free as a PTT button.
Wonderful 👌
@@Huddison Something a lot of joysticks have is a very harsh, clunky neutral point, which I'm not a fan of. From videos I've seen the VelocityOne Flightstick looked quite bad for it. How does this one compare on that front?
So, I got mine ten days ago and I absolutely love it. I got it to play sim battles in War Thunder and was having a wonderful experience using the Flightdeck. Everything worked perfectly. Then out of the blue, the Y axis on the stick no longer responded. This was very disappointing after just 10 days of use. I contacted customer support and went through the recovery procedure not just once but three times. Still, it did not resolve the issue. After I reported that the recovery procedure did not solve the issue it seems the only response I'm getting now from the support tech is the sound of crickets. Since I ordered it from Amazon, I returned it as being defective and Amazon will be sending me a replacement. Since I really, really like the Flightdeck I'm going to give it a second try. Hopefully I won't encounter any more problems like this. The Flightdeck really enhanced my game play in simulator battles in War Thunder. Until the replacement arrives, I'm back using the Turtle Beach Velocity One flight stick and rudders. Still a good combo but the Flightdeck is definitely a huge upgrade and that's what I like about it. By the way, it was your videos that convinced me to get it. 😁
Great to hear from another fan of the Flightdeck.
Did the Axis stop working altogether? If so, that's not good - here's hoping your replacement unit will be flawless.
Yes. It would not respond at all. I'm hoping it was just bad luck and I happened to get a defective one. I'm looking forward to getting back in the saddle with my replacement Flightdeck and that there will be no issues with this one.@@Huddison
I hope so too.@@OMGammafox
A quick update, I got my replacement and after two sessions of gameplay the gear lever fell apart and the spring in the pinky trigger must have broken or something because it just went limp, and the HUD kept going off and on during gameplay. Amazon would only offer a refund since I already got a replacement, but I love the Flightdeck too much and wasn't interested in a refund. I contacted Turtle Beach and explained what I was experiencing with the Flightdeck, and they just told me to pack it up and send it to them and they were happy to replace it since it was still under warranty. So, I am now patiently waiting for the replacement, and hopefully, as the saying goes, third times a charm. Meanwhile, I am back on the V1FS which is still so enjoyable to use.@@Huddison
Its a great system but without default profiles for MSFS or DCS its a paperweight at this time. Hopefully Turtle Beach gets some default profiles up soon for this new product. Great video.
I hope so too.
It's definately not a paper wieght. You do realise the controls are all exposed to windows through the DirectX, so if you spend a little time, you can map all the buttons. The touch interface is something else though!
I checked out this video for one purpose. I was looking at the pictures of the throttle on Amazon. The picture must've been altered because the screen on the throttle unit was so sharp that I originally thought it was a sticker. Looking at it from another angle, I saw no protruding toggle switches or an axis wheel. I thought "Did TB really slap a sticker on the throttle just for looks?" If you check it out, it looks like a sticker because there is no light bleed and the image is so sharp that it would have to be 8k. It looks like a sticker. lol. So glad to see that they weren't trying to charge $400 for a kid's toy. However, if they don't get that screen working with FS2020, it might be the coolest and most expensive sticker I've ever seen.
WOW!!
Great video! Would you be able to share your MS Flight sim bindings for the velocityone flightdeck perhaps? (not sure if that's even possible!)
Trying to get that to happen.
I goofed. Since the last update my add-on planes are missing from the sim. I know that I saw in one of your videos that I should do some thing to prepare for this but I didn't and now I need to find that suggestion video. Thanks
Oh no :(
I can't recall which video of mine that was, but were these addon aircraft all added externally from the Sim (i.e. 3rd party sources)?
Option 1: delete your Community folder (whilst MSFS is not running) and then restart the sim - a new community folder should have been created and then re-add your aircraft.
Option 2: rename your Community folder (again whilst the Sim is not running); restart the sim and a new Community folder should've been created.
Cut & Paste all the addons from the renamed Community folder into the newly created one and see if they appear in the Sim.
Great video but I have one question, which I hope you can answer. How big is the flightstick? Do you know if it's comparable in size and comfort to the X52 Pro or T1600M? I have no issue with either of those sticks but I'm a little wary of this as it does look bigger.
I've been thinking of replacing my X52 Pro I use for a while now (I've never liked it tbh) and I think this might fit the bill.
Thanks in advance.
It's about the same height as the V1 Flightstick - not huge.
Nice. Thanks for the reply @@Huddison
How is the touchscreen for responsiveness? Pretty decent? Awesome video!
Very quick and responsive.
I have been waiting for Ur review as some others inc. comments have been negative, if pros outway cons, I'll be off to Argos tomorrow:)....... I'll think I'll wait until your final views, it seems like it needs some more time in the oven for me ;)
The pros out way the cons so far for me - still got a lot of testing to do with this yet.
Hi, I wanted to Ask You, while Watching the Video I wanted to Ask You, What are the 2 Modules resting on Top of your Honeycomb Aeronautical Alpha Yoke that has some Windows and Buttons on it?🤔 And where can I get those? Thanks 😊
Those are the Logitech Radio and Multi Panels (check my Logitech playlist).
I would be interested to know if they listened to user input regarding the flaws in to VelocityOne Flightstick. The V1 FS was poorly balanced for users who fly helicopters, as the unit would tip forward when the stick was pushed forward more than 50%. The throttle looks promising, would be interested to see you test it as a Collective.
Hi Huddison, @ 17:28 try Throttle Axis1 instead of just throttle axis? for that trimwheel? report back if you can?. regards. NB: ... Ahh wait, i report back myself, after the fact, trim has only that one axis perameter, or button functionality, you where correct my friend, and i certainly do stand corrected. I do hope that they will certainly update their programminhg for this hardwear, because i certainly have my eyes on this prize very soon, Thank You so much for bringing real clarity to this product, and most of it's functionality, and there seems to be vast! :) *Thumbs up (I just wonder how the DPI is, or indeed "Noise" is concerned compared with my current Thrustmaster Warthog?)
Great comment and questions: I'm still testing on this beast ;)
Hi, I am very interested in your opinion. I purchased this HOTAS myself and was blown away on Day 1. A little frustrated with the set up on day 2. Very frustrated by Day 3. and By Day 4 had decided to return the product for a full refund.
I'm not convinced it is ready for MSFS and needs a lot of work, especially in the virtual buttons and the physical buttons not recognised by MSFS e.g. trim wheels. I also found that some buttons are not able to work as needed in the sim.
I would really value your opinion as would the community. I was really excited by this produce and dearly want it to be as good as I imagined. But currently for £380 I expected better.
I've always personally enjoyed setting up controllers from scratch, so this ticks many of my wants. But I can see how this would frustrate many.
Looks good. Let's hope it's better than the sticky mess that is thier Velocity Yoke.
No issues on that score, so far.
Wow, quite the piece of hardware! I can see how this would be excellent for anyone wanting a military set-up, but for someone like me who's primarily an airliner fan, then it looks a bit over the top.
Fair comments.
Be sure to post an update when all of the backlighting on your throttle starts blinking all different colors and/or dies completely. I've had two of these now, both throttles had their backlighting go out within a week of light use. The quality control on these things was horrible. Both of mine also had issues with the pinky button randomly activating the brake lever switch as well. Anyone that purchases one of these, is absolutely going to longevity issues that they definitely shouldn't have for the $400 USD price point.
Sorry to hear that. I'll keep you all posted with mine.
I actually prefer my FlightDeck to my Stecs and Virpil Hotas systems which I find far to complicated and confusing to set up in the first place. The Flightdeck has now become my de facto HOTAS for Star Citizen, MSFS2020 and also DCS.
High praise indeed! I'm looking forward to getting more acquainted with my flightdeck.
I'd like to know what the haptics on the stick do in-game. The VelocityOne Flightstick has rumble motors in the stick and base but for some reason they never enabled them. Xbox controllers rumble when moving down a runway.
I'll be testing them.
Great video as always. I think it's a bit overpriced considering it is close the the Warthog Hotas price (which feels more realistic) an for £379 I would have expected it to be Xbox compatible also.
Thanks Dave. It's all going to depend on one's preference; this has more advanced features than anything out there currently (within the price range).
Hello thx. On the hardware test, when you reduce slowly the throttle, do you have jump and vibration on the cursor in the bottom of the course ?
Not fully sure of your question; but it does vibrate if you have it set to do that, on the touch screen options.
My cursor move Bad , like its not precise on bottom course of the throttle @@Huddison
It looks like setting the throttle did no work correctly in the video because you have L1 and L2 "connected". If you would disconnect L1/L2, you can assign Throttle (or Engine 1 Throttle) to L1 and assign Engine 2 to L2.
i want one! please do a setup review for dcs world...yayyy!
I may do!
Did they release the default button functions already? Eitehr for DCS or for MSFS?
There are now Default bindings on PC MSFS; maybe I'll do a follow up video on them.
Great! Hope to see it soon!
I'm planning to buy my first HOTAS for 50/50 sim/combat. And this one looks amazing (though a little pricey, but it is way more than I was planning to buy at first)
I hope they make xbox compatible very soon.
Has it still got the over strong spring from its default position .. it was so strong on the original flightstick I had to sell it .. what’s your view ?
It's not quite as stiff as the V1 FS, but stiffer than the Hotas One.
One disturbing thing I saw is when you moved your throttles for a brief moment button 35/38 light up while moving, I just hope this is not "ghosting" like the X56 has and is doomed by, if it is that’s a bad thing specially in DCS. That was my main reason to replace the X56 as it “ghosted” like mad.
I'll try to remember to investigate that.
@@Huddison it was visible while you presented the command APP, you moved the stick and I saw 35/38 light up for a brief moment having experience with X56 it will trigger whatever is assigned to this button's while moving the throttle. On X56 there where similar problems which derived me nuts, here I am of the deck of the carrier in the F-14 all good moving my throttle all of the sudden hook comes down, gears come down, flaps and crap like that.
I really hope they sell each component separately. I have the original flight stick and love it but I'd like to replace it with this stick. I have a great throttle quadrant so I wouldn't likely need the throttle. But this is so sexy might just treat myself at some point.
That would be ideal.
i have one idea for devs. if they add force sensors for stick and then add some different deflections inside locked and unlocked, that's will best concept, so pilot will have opportunity to have no moved stick at all, moved only slight by half-two inches, and move if pilot wish as more common sticks. and after all pilot can change forces. if they add 4 force sensors this will brilliant so you can set 4kg for pull but 2kg for push, 3kg for left bank and 1.5kg for right or whatever pilot want for different aircraft or for all aircraft. spring sticks sucks.
I do wish (due to space reasons) there was an ability to map SOMETHING on the Stick as throttle for days you don't want to use the throttle system as well. It's not convenient but even my NXT EVO has that capability. This needs to be $299 vs. $399 US as the X56 is only $245 US. I wouldn't say this is a $150 premium over that.
There's a few good choices out there.
Got mine last week (ordered it 2 months ago). Very pretty... and pretty useless without MSFS2020 profiles (so it's not Plug & Play as originally advertised). I have a problem with the 'D' Pad switch not working properly. The touchpad on the throttle lacks a lot of functionality and flexibility. Frankly, these controllers fell far below my expectations for the price. It wasn't really ready for release.
Great feedback and points.
I’ve seen reviews that say the Turtle Beach rudder pedals won’t work with this. Is this true?
I've not had issue using my TB Rudders with this setup - keep in mind, this is PC only.
You have a great energy, buddy. Keep uploading. Fantastic review, I was looking for a well put together review on this one 🫡
Thanks, you too!
You said that you need 2 USB ports to use the flight deck but the xbox series x has 3 USB ports 1 in the front and 2 in the back of the console so I don't understand why turtle beach velocity one flight deck is only for PC
This looks like a good unit. I have X52 pro and a warthog on another machine. This may replace the x52.
I'm loving the throttle quadrant.
@@Huddison Well I have it coming today (Prime) and really hoping it comes fully functional. After playing DCS and Star Citizen for years now I have zero problem with creating my own profiles right from scratch. For both the Warthog and the X52 pro I've found premade profiles to be nothing but a starter point and end up clearing and making my own. I'm hoping I don't have to run a profile program in the background and can set up the inputs directly to DCS or Star Citizen which I have done with X52 and Warthog.
I think you'll love it. @@MavicAir1
Well, hopefully they drop it on Xbox
I'm not convinced with that fiddly touchscreen. You really can't beat the feel or accuracy of physical buttons and switches. As far as being the most advanced HOTAS, that is debatable as well. I'm running Virpil equipment and that is arguably more advanced in terms of configuration and control. This Turtle Beach gear is not cheap and it seems you're paying for the gimmicky touchscreen and "HUD" on the stick. If you're flying DCS, SC, ED, or anything with combat, you don't want to be looking down at your stick or throttle. You want to be able to activate controls by touch and keep your eyes on the screen, so I would be interested to see how this fares inside DCS.
I'm aiming to test it in DCS.
No need to assign extra buttons for the Heading, Altitude, and Vertical Speed knobs. When setting them up just Push Down on the knob to activate them, much easier as it is all on the knobs. No need to waste extra buttons to activate them. Can use the other buttons, switches, etc... for something else :) Thanks for the video. Has anyone gotten the Scroll Wheels to work yet for say trim up and down? I've tried by have not yet.
My other video on this will show what you can do with the Rotary dials for Vertical speed and heading bug etc; very versatile unit.
I actually prefer the trim on the POV switch I've set it up on.
pretty cool, and then I looked at the price lol
The stick froze on firmware update. Waited awhile before restarting. Now it’s stuck in update to put firmware back in. Now it’s freezing on that too
Oh dear 😮 Are you able to reset to factory condition? TB support may be more helpful here.
i think it might be because ur using default maybe , maybe use the commercial settings might be something specific for msfs
I tried all the profiles in MSFS.
ive been looking at this for running helo lol good video though.@@Huddison
Too bad they don't just sell the throttle, that would have been nice with my VKB stick.
You've read my mind.
Is Microsoft Flight Sim going to add this to their program to have it recognize it?
Yes I believe Asobo will have to patch that in.
23:20 - Have you ever seen Virpil or VKB or Winwing systems?
Got VIRPIL products on their way to me!
My biggest problem is the price. I live in Singapore at the moment and we have high taxes on goods. regardless, a well maintained or barely used thrustmaster warthog set costs the same/ barely more expensive than this set and lacks the material quality and upgradability.
Can't you get vkb, winwing or virpil in Singapore?
@@Napoleonic_S pretty much not. They have to be shipped from China. Its so stupid when, for instance, VKB has hubs in Aus and Europe. Do you know where they stop over before finishing shipping? Singapore.
@@TazziedoesWT
LMAO, I'm in Indonesia and I've just bought VKB hotas and yes they shipped it via Singapore with DHL, I feel sorry for you... I don't know why but since last year VKB AUS online store was allowed to sell VKB stuff to Indonesia somehow...
And about that, yes officially Asian people can buy VKB from AliExpress right? So why can't you? And why does it matter if they shipped it from China? I mean on the bottom of the base of the NXT it literally printed made in china, lol...
@@Napoleonic_S the markup for VKB and shipping to SG is major. I can get a warthog hotas for a little cheaper. Thats how mental it is
@@TazziedoesWT a warthog is a little cheaper than what VKB product? Just the NXT Evo? Even then IMO it's still worth it... The warthog is a 15 years old hardware with tech based from the 80s...
Had mine about a month, and buttons have already stopped working. It is NOT holding up. and the customer support on Chat will flat out tell you that they're not tech support and you have to submit a ticket and wait for a response on any "technical issues"... They took a long time to get back to me with the first problem. and I still haven't heard back on my latest batch of issues. I would NOT recommend this... it will not hold up and the support is VERY slow.
This looked interesting, but disappointed it is not for Xbox.
a bit of a missed opportunity there.
indeed 😀
Ah. No.
Rebrand for fs24! 😂@@Huddison
Would have been a purchase for me def
Joy is ok, but price isn't. You may buy WinWing or VKB for this without plastic ball gimbal.
Touchscreen is a nightmare for VR 😂
I can well imagine
That is my question - the setup seems to have enough tactile physical buttons but I’ll have to see some VR specific reviews before I commit to buying it.
Default control settings will be patched in for Sim update 15 that is coming soon
Let's hope so.
This was confirmed by TB. I also did some limited basic controls but excited to have the full experience without spending a ton of hours mapping. Happy flying!
this is the one i wont
Does look gorgeous but way too much electrickery for my tastes; too much to go wrong. I stick to VKB STECS and EVO. ;)
Fair comment.
Seems like it has a lot of quality control issues.
Tickles me that systems like these have the throttle on the left but the planes in the Sim, or real life the throttle is in the center on the right side.
Perhaps they need to have the Sim have you pilot from the right seat!
Now I can hear folks say it's due to them being right handed, but my response would be that left handers such as myself need to learn to use the stick with our right hand, so clearly the right handers can learn to use the stick left handed as well.
Clearly, left handers are the only ones in their right mind lol.
The system looks very nice.
Nearly all fighter jets have the throttle on the left. This has been the case since World War Two.
Thank you for your reply. My comment was an attempt to be a lighthearted look at right- and left-hand people and seeing Huddison use his right hand to push the throttle as well to the channel is mostly GA aircraft, I thought it might get a chuckle out of some folks who are left-handed. You of course are correct, and this would be an awesome system for those who want to fly jet warbirds.@@sivoltage
Please don't be gentle with it ! I have see review where buttons stop working.
I'll start throwing it out of windows 😂
It’s a shame it doesn’t support Xbox. That said, way too many controls and electronics for my liking.
Turtle beach is really moving into Flight sim. Not always with the quality in the air, but they try to innovate. Once passing leds and other gimmick, their product have always something wrong (yoke, velocity...). Here the lcd is clearly a great idea but poorly executed. better not have your keyboard used in Xplane , DCS or MSFS because it its a pain to use. The stick though is clearly "inspired" by The merlin stick in star citizen
No height adjustment, can't reach the hat switches without taking your hand off the stick. No thanks.
These are the real things a review should pick up, not that it has shiny buttons.
„VelocityOne™ Flightdeck is a premium simulation HOTAS system for Windows PCs, designed for enthusiasts who demand the best.“
The price is amazing. With other manufacturers you only get half the hardware for the money.
What's the catch?
I'm yet to find one - the throttle quadrant alone is simply amazing.
No it isn't
Very terrible centering mechanism. Forces have 100% opposite linearity as they should have. Many inovative features placed on something which lacks basic functionality.
“Very terrible centering mechanism”
In comparison to what?
@@Mr.Scootini in comparsion to default joystick.
$400? you're approaching Winwing/VKB/Virpil territory. GTFO.
Well the Virpil Throttle alone is 350 + ~400 for Base and Stick....
Yeah, no mate.
The WinWing Warthog kit even is 15€ less in Europe
@@ickebins6948 Except VKB and Winwing are both in the same price range, and Virpil has plenty of other options that EXCEED the quality of this pile of shit looking thing... This thing looks like it was built by MadCatz/Saitek.
@@Munky332 And still you can't get a Virpil Hotas for ~ 400 bucks (no matter the options).
I'm not questioning the quality of either product. Funny how people get all angry when you just state the obvious, calm down man.
Less fanboys, more facts. Thanks.
Btw I'm not buying the TB because I've got a Virpil...
@@ickebins6948 YOU seem to be missing the point of my original post. When you're above 400$, there's so many competing products, this shit is fucking *pointless* it belongs in the trash saitek tier. If that wasn't clear you need to learn to fuckin' READ. C'mon, try harder.