Follow along as we assemble the Sledgehammer - a 53 hp, 800-850hp capable electric turbo. Join our forum at www.electrifiedboost.com and consider supporting my efforts on patreon: / alexltdlx
ZERO boost lag! This is awesome. You can literally spool it up when you want and have full boost before even launching it. Better yet, control the boost to create traction control.
I tried the drinking game and woke up naked in a random machine shop on the other side of the state with a pair of gage blocks in my hand. Thanks Alex!
when its ready to be sold as a dyi kit let me know. I am jealous of your machining skills I have none. keep up the good work. I was expecting the motor mount to have bearings for some reason. lol.
Thanks! Keep an eye on electrifiedboost.com - if I reach a point where I'm comfortable selling parts (doubt I'd ever do a complete kit - everyone's requirements are very different, and there's a liability aspect to consider), it'll happen there. Here's how I acquired my machining skills: I married extremely poorly, then became a single dad. When my daughter was too young to be left alone at night, I starting spending hours in the garage. First porting, then over the years machining. I can't recommend that technique though - the lawyers are far more expensive than a shop with good machine tools...
@@AlexLTDLX lol I had the single dad part down but I spent hours learning how to do computer programming at night instead. I am however a "back yard" mechanic and have assembled an engine from bare bones. I can get the turbo and rc plane motor and batteries/controller on my own. I just have no idea how to make those machined parts. the closest thing I ever got to machining anything was porting and polishing heads with a dremel and getting a harbor freight hone tool to put a new set of pistons in. I can assemble things like the best of them. lol. even have done some mild welding. tack welds and arc welds and some mig welding as well. mostly just to make custom exhaust and a light amount of fabrication work. I actually do want to learn to do some machine work at some point. but its just a hobby for me so who knows if I will learn everything I want to learn or not. I was just saying you already got one working. but I hear of all these newer cars coming with some electric turbos stock. so its only a matter of time before theres an affordable one. the demand is there. I actually have a procharger on my current set up. being able to take away the pulley would be nice. and the torqueamp ones dont make enough boost and restrict air for larger displacement and I got a v8 lt1 gen 2 and a 5.3 liter ls based truck engine I am just starting to work on now.
@@AlexLTDLX I got the trial by fire machinist apprentice in a jewelry factory doing tool and die work, YEEHAAW !! a year of that and they played the game.. laid off at 50 weeks no raise no paid vacation no benefits, calling 3 weeks later wanting me back same wage? "thanks for the education", CLICK.
I think you're probably right - we'll start seeing more and more of these in OEM applications. There's a much greater return in using electrical energy to power a turbo than to put it directly to the wheels. If nothing else, to help meet CAFE standards.
@@AlexLTDLX On the, "much greater return in using electrical energy to power a turbo than to put it directly to the wheels." I'd say that's pretty backwards. You're using a motor to drive a 60-80% efficient compressor, then just dumping that extra 20-40% of energy to atmosphere as heat. That's not even taking into account the motors efficiency (Probably in the 90% range), and the typical car alternator efficiency of ~60-70%. So all in all, this is a far less efficient way of driving a supercharger, and far, far less efficient thing to do with the electricity than just drive the wheels, as you're skipping a whole round of efficiency losses by just coupling the electric motor to the wheels.
This is phenomenal man. I just started twin charging my 03 Subaru 2.5 RS that has an EJ25 STi swap and I looked into the world of electric forced induction as an option for a few weeks but I ended up going with a centrifugal supercharger/TD04R turbo. Amazing machining skills and quite an engineering feat man!
@@barneymiller7894 I’m looking to make 400-425 AWHP. The engine is fully built but in my experience any more power than mid 400’s really kills the everyday drivability. I don’t mean I’ll use it to go get groceries but would still like the capability to do so
I worked on my grandpas farm with tractors and other heavy equipment and soon followed with wanting to make more power with great reliability. In the proccess Ive come to learn heat is almost always gonna be your enemy. Its also VERY expensive. Quite a bit of time has past and now I own a 2016 LML Duramax makin around pushing 32psi. Intake temps and EGT's are such a pain in the ass and there is no way of getting around them with the typical turbo set up. Ive looked into supercharging and everyone says it's not for diesels due to parasitic loss and what not. And really the only thing that comes up is Detroits 2stroke engine with blower style setups which are meh at best As soon as I heard about electric turbos I instantly knew how much of a game changer those could be and also knew the limitations. This whole setup you have here is some seriously clean and professional work
That's what the rich kids are doing, that and the boat guys and large scale. But for 1/8th scale drags etc it's a little easier to have a pair and a spare with tppower and castle creations or hobbywing. Of course people to blow out castle escs and look for alternatives
Thanks. I wanted to get the P2/VESC one going first, but hitting the issue with eRPM and looking at these parts just laying here, I decided to press ahead with this one so I can increase my chances of getting some kind of on-car testing done before the weather gets too warm here.
Good job my brother. I sold my turbo kit design and manufacturing business back in 06-07...Got married, started family opened a new business etc etc. I got into hardcore RC around that time and first time I saw the power the BLDC motors were capable of, this idea came to mind. I have been waiting for someone to catch on and do it! When audi talked about their electric turbo I waited and was like "Maybe....mayyyybe? NO! So close!" lol In the progress of designing in my head I ended up at a supercharger head as well. LOL It just makes sense. Best of luck, I hope it works out. Just a thought for quick charge ups, discharges etc. Go supercaps instead of lipo or whatever. Yea, more expensive but the charge/discharge rate can't be beat. There is actually a supercapacitor "battery" made for the car audio industry it would be a nice easy "premade" unit if you don't feel like going through the hassle.
Thanks. It already did work out: th-cam.com/video/AOL3Qyczt3Y/w-d-xo.html This is our attempt for big power. Supercaps (I have a giant supercap setup that I tested for other things - it's designed to start semis and trains - I did a self discharge video on it) would actually be a poor choice because the voltage discharge curve is linear and the power density is really low. I'm now using Lishen 18ah LTO cells - also used in high power car audio - those things are beasts. I tried stick welding (also a video) with them and couldn't keep the amperage low enough. Would be great for stick welding 1/2" steel with 5/32" electrodes, though!
@@AlexLTDLX Nice nice! Thanks for the reply. Seeing your results honestly, are right about what I thought would happen! Right down to the current draw, airflow, hp increase...all of it! Wow, I feel vindicated from all the eye rolls I got as I said "no no, this is different - we're not talking 1.2kw here, more like 15-20Kw!." and finally just stopped talking to people about it. Regarding the last message...The LTO's are nasty, no doubt about it. I said supercaps, but I meant ultracaps...Tecate Group UltraCaps to be specific - sorry. www.tecategroup.com They've got some great calculators on their site as well. They show a bit more promise...BUT, to be 100% upfront I didn't go *too* far into the maths so take it with a grain of salt. A friend of mine is a lead engineer over at Honeywell, so I spent way too much time diddling around with turbo compressors and maps before I thought "duh, just use a centrifugal charger head unit." LOL Then, "life" took over and everything went on the back burner. My kids are finally older now and I recently bought a turbocharged daily driver...alllll the juices started flowing again! lol Definitely see you over on the eboost forums. Best, Jay
How freak’n cool is this! Can’t believe I’ve never come across your channel before. Definitely gonna be watching the progress on this project. Watched some older videos and clearly the naysayers can eat crow because that is a legit electric supercharger right there! Good stuff!
Lol - I had one as a kid that looked like a formula one car and had a toothed zip tie thing that you'd pull through to get the car going (and sparking)...
I like the fact you are trying :) , cause making power to run things in a vehicle is relatively easy but finding something to then power a device efficiently to do a job is the hard thing. The advantage to all this in this day and once you have a working prototype its easy to have someone make it and or upgrade it to suit production. Keep it up and thanks
Thanks. We already have a working prototype: th-cam.com/video/AOL3Qyczt3Y/w-d-xo.html Now I'm working on two different models - this one for more power (first working prototype made about 650 hp; the goals for the sledgehammer is about 850 hp); the goal for the other belt-driven unit is compactness, cost-effectiveness and ease of construction.
I don't support ruzzia's illegal and unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine. I want them to leave Ukraine. If the ruzzians stop fighting, they go home. If Ukrainians stop fighting, they die. The ruzzian goal is extermination of Ukraine and everything Ukrainian. This is at least the fourth time in history the ruzzians are trying to exterminate Ukraine. The first time was in the 17th century, again in the very early 20th century (ruzzian bolshevik invasion), again in 1932-1933 when the ruzzians forcibly starved 6-16 million Ukrainians to death by "collectivizing" the farms - this genocide was called the Holodomor - and again in 2014, led by Igor Girkin in eastern Ukraine (an FSB agent straight from Moscow, and ironically ran back to Moscow - now ironically imprisoned for criticizing Putin), and most recently in 2022. If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them. But there's a reason there's an international arrest warrant out for Putin.
As the owner of a polished aluminum airplane (which seemed like a good idea at a time), I feel your pain about polished aluminum. When it looks good, it's amazing. The other 99.99999999% of the time, it's "Oh $%^#, a smudge!!!". I feel like I'm painting the golden gate bridge when it comes to polishing.
This is interesting to watch. I’ll be considering boost after I do a engine swap for more displacement. But I’m working with half the cylinders and a street build. I’ve been thinking about re-purposing a used supercharger. But your electric turbo has promise too
I've built many custom supercharger setups over the years; but cost-wise, including installation, I think the P2/VESC unit is the most bang for the buck. Thanks for watching!
Hey, look into the Aisin AMR500. It’s a small supercharger, costing usually $200 and readily available. It can support up to 400hp(supposedly) but is great for smaller motors. How big is your motor? Believe it or not, the engine doesn’t dictate the max power of a turbo or supercharger, it’s all in how much it can flow. You should be able to calculate flow rates, if so you can make a “guesstimate” of roughly 10hp per lb of air per hour. So if a turbo/SC can support 50lb/hr, it CAN make 500hp(before efficiency losses)
I got a thick wall 1835 that's got four individual throttle bodies for the electronic fuel injection I would love to add this setup all I got to do is put some hats on the throttle bodies and have someone professionally tune the computer
My hobby is model engineering and the British have a saying about American model engineering. They like a draw-filed finish but Americans tend to polish our stuff. The expression is derogatory: "Highly Polished and Deeply Scratched" because we polish it over the scratches rather than filing/sanding out the scratches prior to polishing.
You just snagged a `scriber... I used to be madly passionate about cars some time ago, but my main focus was machining and machines... I watch jafro to keep my automotive passions up, but you just hit the spot... Ang. con. ball bearings in a turbo... Most interesting... Not sure as to how brilliant of an idea that really is, as any gunk will mess those up real quick and in a hurry, and engine oil is definitely not clean enough for such lubrication even after 10 hours of engine work, but hey, fuck do i know, i just saw this shiny block for the first time, maybe the oil is just cooling the thing and bearings are sealed and grease lubed with an ultra high speed spindle bearing grease... I didnt even pay attention to the number of ports on the thing to even check if it was coolant cooled or oil cooled... I was just pleased to see both of my interests overlap... And btw, i love the ``you`ll have to deal with it`` attitude... All the best and kind regards! Steuss
Thanks. I used Kluber's Isoflex 15 grease in the bearings and they have so far held up fine for the last year without any maintenance. Since this thing doesn't spin all the time, I think it should last for quite a while.
@@AlexLTDLX Aaah, so bearings are not oil lubed? Kluber makes some fine stuff... I use Kluber LDS Special A, as that is what my milling machine uses in her spindle bearings... Of course i don`t waste it on random bearings and every bearing, but when there is a bearing and an application where i want to rely on quality rather than service every year, i use that grease... It`s designed to run loaded mill spindle ultra high precision bearings for 5 years between changes, so you know it`s some good shit... I will definitely remember this video for future reference... I am a car nut afterall... This type of modification will likely find its way into a few of my cars... I have a few of my own lunatic ideas and designs, but this is much more tame and more easily doable when compared to a custom special engine with custom induction, exhaust, ``valving``, lubrication and ancillary systems... Not to speak of an exhaust cooling steam system with a turbine and condensers, all merely there to act as another induction system that partially feeds into exhaust to make a pressure delta via velocity differential as to put negative pressure on the exhaust manifold, while also having a single thin tube for secondary exhaust combustion - metered so it doesn`t mess with O2 sensors... And 4 small lines that would feed constant warm air(around 75C) to brake rotors, which would keep them closer to optimal operational temp, while also cooling them during harder use, as the turbine would likely be spooled by hard engine use(hot exhaust), and would continue to blast air through its metered lines for a minute or two just on heat inertia of the whole system... Oh, have i mentioned that the car would be converted to 4wheel drive, but all 4 wheels would be ran by independent hydraulic motors and would have 4 wheel steering and hydraulic suspension? Yeah, that is my kind of madness, so you see why i called your sledgehammer more tame... But that kind of madness has to wait... That shit will snort lines of my cash like a rockstar, and i need a special car to do it, something worthy of such a massive project and undertaking... Aaand i need to build a new shop to fit all my stuff... All the best and warm regards! Steuss
So much to say! Awesome that this is not a mustang but still a fox body. I have a v3 vortech set up on a 4.2 litre Audi, so I’m familiar with the set up (although you said it’s a different turbine?) I would love to go this route and have a simpler engine set up, but I’m not sure how I’d go about tuning for it. Killer work. E boost is great!!
My nephew in law is Ukrainian. The first thing I did when the war started was to see if he needed anything. He didn’t need my help so I pray daily for Ukraine. What a hearty and determined people. For what little they have, they’re kicking Russian ASS. I don’t blame the Russian soldiers for this either. Their officers should know better, but they have been lied to, in much the same way as our Government has lied to us. You should know who I’m talking about. If not, do the research!
Well I never would have guessed Ukrainian but there you go. Looks like you took a lot of thought into supporting the motor cannot wait to see what the future holds can't wait for track time of course.
Yeah - we look like normal people, lol. The motor support was really the most obvious choice requiring the least modification to the existing setup. I was just not looking forward to spending the time making it. The standoffs were easy; that silly bracket took a lot of layout time and slow going on the machine work. Running the boring head even slowly made the whole machine shake.
@@AlexLTDLX haha I should clarify that I was referring to a few videos back when you were asking us to take a guess of what other language you spoke based on what little accent you have I would have never guessed Ukrainian.
@@AlexLTDLX what's happening now is something else.. lots of information AND disinformation about what's really what. how I know it to be, may be offensive to who I may think is misinformed. leave it at that, and pray that all the evil is there stopped. same as I pray all the evil HERE is stopped.
doesn't need much torque, tape only compresses so much. the support tubes on the all thread shouldn't be issue either, diameter gives some bicycle frame type rigidity short as they are, motor can't twist on its mount plate. loctite and a little torque, still keep a watch on it all anyway but I doubt it'll budge any.
It's not the first one that works. There's a few commercial models, but you get what you pay for, they're a few grand for the kit. I think it was MCM that did a video on them a few years ago, the electric turbos that actually work... They worked great for smaller cars up to like 6cyl. For 8 they were a little too little air flowed, but they weren't sized for 8 either.
you did professional work on making everything great job! those vortec chargers are massive.if the electric motor cant keep up with flow maybe a smaller charger or turbo that has turbine side removed you could do this with?def try this on smaller displacement engine since they will tax the electric motor less.
My f150 runs on CNG. Compressed natural gas. The tank sits at 3,600psi. It’s 120 octane rating. Wonder what the possibilities are to have a second ‘air’ tank that shoves the mixture into the motor. Forced air with no input besides the 3,600 psi in the tanks. The HP would be spent putting the air into the tank. Something to consider.
"Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them"? outstanding! I'm looking at it as a hobbyist, and ex jewelers machinist, SME certed back when. yeah that motor in a go-cart would probably run 8 second QM's, for giggles. that "flex coupler", perfectly simple, hopefully the driven bolt wont shear on ya.
The 6mm bolt has a tightening torque spec of 14 ft-lbs. The LMT motor, at full tilt, is rated at 40kW and 50,000 rpm. 40kW is 53 hp. Hp is a function of torque and rpm. So if it hits 53hp at 50,000 rpm, that's only 5.4 ft-lbs of torque. If it hits 53 hp at 25,000 rpm, that' still only 11 ft-lbs. In the first version (20kW peak, 14kW continuous), the 6mm bolt had no issues. The math says it should be fine here too - in fact, I consider it a mechanical fuse - but if it does shear, I'll just move up to an 8mm bolt with the head milled down to a 10mm hex. But dynamic real world loads might cause issues - only one way to find out!
@@AlexLTDLX BOV should protect the 6mm from throttle closing quickly. The motor should be capable of serious power from 10k. Have some experience with 40mm NEU motors, in Y wind they can do continuous power from 10k. Max efficiency at 35k. Bearings good to 60k.
Hopefully - we'll see if it pulls the front wheels on launch - then we can call it aerospace. The car did with the Whipple, I'd think with the improved weight distribution this should too.
It would be a really fun and interesting experiment to power the electric motor on this turbo by a generator or alternator being spun by a hot side of a turbo! It would eliminate the heat transfer that normally happens from hot side to cold side. And you could also store and buffer the power with batteries and capacitors if you wanted to. I wonder if an alternator would work for that if you geared it right.
@@SoulTouchMusic93 that's how the F1 MGU-H on the 2016-2024 V6 1.6L turbo hybrid engines work. The turbo is split into two parts, the hot side connected to a generator and charging the power cells, and the turbine powered by an electric motor. With a button to increase the voltage to the turbine for additional power when overtaking.
One of the German makers was looking into scavenging every btu of heat going down the pipe- heat is energy- and turning it into amps via turbines.. which was going to 'help' the ICE engine by putting torque directly to the crank. I"m not sure what happened, probably not the payoff they were looking for.
Nice machine work! If you need any dynamic balancing, I make motors and rotors for a living. Would you have room for a larger diameter motor? Was the motor speed selected for the blower speed?
That's an offer I might take you up on in the future. We could go larger diameter, but we need a lot of rpm. Feel free to send me an email in the contact section of my channel's main page.
Great precision work! Guess its part Turbo so I like it, and the fact Audi has Electric turbo'd a TT RS for twin turbos on the 2.5 5 cylinder! Think I should on my TT RS also as 600 HP is better than 400 stock.
over here its eazier to find a used truck turbo then it is to find a vortech compressor , wonder if you can use the compressor wheel and housing and make youre own backing plate for the housing with bearing and axle from the compressorwheel to the motor
Sure you could. Just try to find a turbo with a fairly large exducer (and small inducer). I did a video on compressor maps in the "electric turbo" playlist on my channel. As long as it meets the requirements (keep in mind, on the high power motor side you're really not going to find much that can go over 50,000 rpm - so that's one practical limitation). I'm also working on a cheaper, easier to build variant that should support about 650hp - check out my videos from a month or two ago. I set that aside because I need to try a different motor, so I've decided to turn my attentions to this thing. But I'll get back on that one soon enough.
ZERO boost lag! This is awesome. You can literally spool it up when you want and have full boost before even launching it. Better yet, control the boost to create traction control.
I tried the drinking game and woke up naked in a random machine shop on the other side of the state with a pair of gage blocks in my hand. Thanks Alex!
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when its ready to be sold as a dyi kit let me know. I am jealous of your machining skills I have none. keep up the good work. I was expecting the motor mount to have bearings for some reason. lol.
Thanks! Keep an eye on electrifiedboost.com - if I reach a point where I'm comfortable selling parts (doubt I'd ever do a complete kit - everyone's requirements are very different, and there's a liability aspect to consider), it'll happen there. Here's how I acquired my machining skills: I married extremely poorly, then became a single dad. When my daughter was too young to be left alone at night, I starting spending hours in the garage. First porting, then over the years machining. I can't recommend that technique though - the lawyers are far more expensive than a shop with good machine tools...
@@AlexLTDLX lol I had the single dad part down but I spent hours learning how to do computer programming at night instead. I am however a "back yard" mechanic and have assembled an engine from bare bones. I can get the turbo and rc plane motor and batteries/controller on my own. I just have no idea how to make those machined parts. the closest thing I ever got to machining anything was porting and polishing heads with a dremel and getting a harbor freight hone tool to put a new set of pistons in. I can assemble things like the best of them. lol. even have done some mild welding. tack welds and arc welds and some mig welding as well. mostly just to make custom exhaust and a light amount of fabrication work. I actually do want to learn to do some machine work at some point. but its just a hobby for me so who knows if I will learn everything I want to learn or not. I was just saying you already got one working. but I hear of all these newer cars coming with some electric turbos stock. so its only a matter of time before theres an affordable one. the demand is there. I actually have a procharger on my current set up. being able to take away the pulley would be nice. and the torqueamp ones dont make enough boost and restrict air for larger displacement and I got a v8 lt1 gen 2 and a 5.3 liter ls based truck engine I am just starting to work on now.
@@AlexLTDLX I got the trial by fire machinist apprentice in a jewelry factory doing tool and die work, YEEHAAW !! a year of that and they played the game.. laid off at 50 weeks no raise no paid vacation no benefits, calling 3 weeks later wanting me back same wage? "thanks for the education",
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I think you're probably right - we'll start seeing more and more of these in OEM applications. There's a much greater return in using electrical energy to power a turbo than to put it directly to the wheels. If nothing else, to help meet CAFE standards.
@@AlexLTDLX On the, "much greater return in using electrical energy to power a turbo than to put it directly to the wheels." I'd say that's pretty backwards. You're using a motor to drive a 60-80% efficient compressor, then just dumping that extra 20-40% of energy to atmosphere as heat. That's not even taking into account the motors efficiency (Probably in the 90% range), and the typical car alternator efficiency of ~60-70%. So all in all, this is a far less efficient way of driving a supercharger, and far, far less efficient thing to do with the electricity than just drive the wheels, as you're skipping a whole round of efficiency losses by just coupling the electric motor to the wheels.
This is phenomenal man. I just started twin charging my 03 Subaru 2.5 RS that has an EJ25 STi swap and I looked into the world of electric forced induction as an option for a few weeks but I ended up going with a centrifugal supercharger/TD04R turbo. Amazing machining skills and quite an engineering feat man!
What's your power goal on that setup? I don't have any experience with twin charging but ive helped fab a couple of compound turbo setups
Thank you.
@@barneymiller7894 I’m looking to make 400-425 AWHP. The engine is fully built but in my experience any more power than mid 400’s really kills the everyday drivability. I don’t mean I’ll use it to go get groceries but would still like the capability to do so
@@AlexLTDLX is there a link to the motor you used for your build?
@@AlexLTDLX Thanks man ! Greetings from the south of Ukraine !
Amazingly gifted. This is who should have a million viewers
Thank you for the kind words.
What wonderful craftsmanship!
Not to mention that we all want a brushless turbo.... I do! Thanks, and can't wait to see the future.. now.
It's not about the most expensive tools ! It's about the quality of the parts you can make with the tools you have to work with !
This video was... precisely what I was wanting to see.
I worked on my grandpas farm with tractors and other heavy equipment and soon followed with wanting to make more power with great reliability. In the proccess Ive come to learn heat is almost always gonna be your enemy. Its also VERY expensive.
Quite a bit of time has past and now I own a 2016 LML Duramax makin around pushing 32psi. Intake temps and EGT's are such a pain in the ass and there is no way of getting around them with the typical turbo set up. Ive looked into supercharging and everyone says it's not for diesels due to parasitic loss and what not. And really the only thing that comes up is Detroits 2stroke engine with blower style setups which are meh at best
As soon as I heard about electric turbos I instantly knew how much of a game changer those could be and also knew the limitations. This whole setup you have here is some seriously clean and professional work
Got here from watching an intake video. This is awesome can't wait to see what this electric supercharger does.
More then 20yrs ago, without TH-cam, I had the same idea and everyone called me crazy...
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My favorite so far!
All the cool kids in the rc world use LMT and MGM. I'm excited to see your results.
Thanks. Working on the wiring now.
That's what the rich kids are doing, that and the boat guys and large scale. But for 1/8th scale drags etc it's a little easier to have a pair and a spare with tppower and castle creations or hobbywing. Of course people to blow out castle escs and look for alternatives
This old Tony is the bomb
Love the update, been waiting for this since the unboxing of the motor.
Thanks. I wanted to get the P2/VESC one going first, but hitting the issue with eRPM and looking at these parts just laying here, I decided to press ahead with this one so I can increase my chances of getting some kind of on-car testing done before the weather gets too warm here.
Well now I'm hammered, I just woke up, now I'm gonna watch the video...again!
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Good job my brother. I sold my turbo kit design and manufacturing business back in 06-07...Got married, started family opened a new business etc etc. I got into hardcore RC around that time and first time I saw the power the BLDC motors were capable of, this idea came to mind. I have been waiting for someone to catch on and do it! When audi talked about their electric turbo I waited and was like "Maybe....mayyyybe? NO! So close!" lol In the progress of designing in my head I ended up at a supercharger head as well. LOL It just makes sense. Best of luck, I hope it works out. Just a thought for quick charge ups, discharges etc. Go supercaps instead of lipo or whatever. Yea, more expensive but the charge/discharge rate can't be beat. There is actually a supercapacitor "battery" made for the car audio industry it would be a nice easy "premade" unit if you don't feel like going through the hassle.
Thanks. It already did work out: th-cam.com/video/AOL3Qyczt3Y/w-d-xo.html This is our attempt for big power. Supercaps (I have a giant supercap setup that I tested for other things - it's designed to start semis and trains - I did a self discharge video on it) would actually be a poor choice because the voltage discharge curve is linear and the power density is really low. I'm now using Lishen 18ah LTO cells - also used in high power car audio - those things are beasts. I tried stick welding (also a video) with them and couldn't keep the amperage low enough. Would be great for stick welding 1/2" steel with 5/32" electrodes, though!
@@AlexLTDLX Nice nice! Thanks for the reply. Seeing your results honestly, are right about what I thought would happen! Right down to the current draw, airflow, hp increase...all of it! Wow, I feel vindicated from all the eye rolls I got as I said "no no, this is different - we're not talking 1.2kw here, more like 15-20Kw!." and finally just stopped talking to people about it.
Regarding the last message...The LTO's are nasty, no doubt about it. I said supercaps, but I meant ultracaps...Tecate Group UltraCaps to be specific - sorry. www.tecategroup.com They've got some great calculators on their site as well. They show a bit more promise...BUT, to be 100% upfront I didn't go *too* far into the maths so take it with a grain of salt. A friend of mine is a lead engineer over at Honeywell, so I spent way too much time diddling around with turbo compressors and maps before I thought "duh, just use a centrifugal charger head unit." LOL Then, "life" took over and everything went on the back burner. My kids are finally older now and I recently bought a turbocharged daily driver...alllll the juices started flowing again! lol Definitely see you over on the eboost forums. Best, Jay
How freak’n cool is this! Can’t believe I’ve never come across your channel before. Definitely gonna be watching the progress on this project. Watched some older videos and clearly the naysayers can eat crow because that is a legit electric supercharger right there! Good stuff!
Thanks - and thanks for watching the older videos, too. It's amazing how many people don't bother to watch the older videos.
I love you... I'm not gay . But will you marry me lol
Your lawn mower is going to run real good with that on there
It put a 12 second, 3,500 lb sedan into the 9s on pump gas at the drag strip: th-cam.com/video/RT0M88xHzNQ/w-d-xo.html
I'm only 4 minutes in and feeling a buzz. A very precise buzz. Thank you kindly lol
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Most prep anyone has ever done for an april fools joke.
Kidding, it's really cool.
You sound like a mix of Charlie (moist critical) and Nicolas Cage. I loved the video btw.
I have been patiently waiting for this how did I miss the notification.....we must protect this man at all cost!!!!
lol.
Can't wait for the next video!
Thanks for the comment and the sub. I'm hopefully going to be testing (off the car) by this weekend at the latest.
This is is cool! Thank you for your dedication, and sharing of your work and experience in this project!
Thanks for watching, taking the time to comment and the kind words!
@@AlexLTDLX does this eliminate lag? Allows exhaust to flow freely? What was your intention?
Beautiful work ,thanks for sharing.
Thanks. And thanks for watching and commenting.
flat gorgeous, cant wait to see results!
You remember those cars you roll, and they self propel with sparks out the back?
Lol - I had one as a kid that looked like a formula one car and had a toothed zip tie thing that you'd pull through to get the car going (and sparking)...
Very nice work on the machining and precision!
I like the fact you are trying :) , cause making power to run things in a vehicle is relatively easy but finding something to then power a device efficiently to do a job is the hard thing.
The advantage to all this in this day and once you have a working prototype its easy to have someone make it and or upgrade it to suit production.
Keep it up and thanks
Thanks. We already have a working prototype: th-cam.com/video/AOL3Qyczt3Y/w-d-xo.html Now I'm working on two different models - this one for more power (first working prototype made about 650 hp; the goals for the sledgehammer is about 850 hp); the goal for the other belt-driven unit is compactness, cost-effectiveness and ease of construction.
10/10 will buy a kit if sold
Really looking foward to the test of this! Nice video!
Poor refference, I read your title and heard “SLEDGEHAMMER 🎵 dun 🎼 DUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!
This reminds me of AvE content. Nice.
Well. That IS precise.
lol
I was just about to sub when I heard the support of war at the end, I wanted to see your cool new turbo not think of half a million needlessly dead
I don't support ruzzia's illegal and unprovoked war of aggression against Ukraine. I want them to leave Ukraine. If the ruzzians stop fighting, they go home. If Ukrainians stop fighting, they die. The ruzzian goal is extermination of Ukraine and everything Ukrainian. This is at least the fourth time in history the ruzzians are trying to exterminate Ukraine. The first time was in the 17th century, again in the very early 20th century (ruzzian bolshevik invasion), again in 1932-1933 when the ruzzians forcibly starved 6-16 million Ukrainians to death by "collectivizing" the farms - this genocide was called the Holodomor - and again in 2014, led by Igor Girkin in eastern Ukraine (an FSB agent straight from Moscow, and ironically ran back to Moscow - now ironically imprisoned for criticizing Putin), and most recently in 2022. If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them. But there's a reason there's an international arrest warrant out for Putin.
As the owner of a polished aluminum airplane (which seemed like a good idea at a time), I feel your pain about polished aluminum. When it looks good, it's amazing. The other 99.99999999% of the time, it's "Oh $%^#, a smudge!!!". I feel like I'm painting the golden gate bridge when it comes to polishing.
Thanks for the comment. And I actually get the Golden Gate Bridge reference.
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:) Dr. Bunsen Honeydew and Beaker are childhood icons for me!
💪🏽 beast mode I would love to install this in my 99 v8 sho
This is interesting to watch. I’ll be considering boost after I do a engine swap for more displacement.
But I’m working with half the cylinders and a street build.
I’ve been thinking about re-purposing a used supercharger.
But your electric turbo has promise too
I've built many custom supercharger setups over the years; but cost-wise, including installation, I think the P2/VESC unit is the most bang for the buck. Thanks for watching!
@@AlexLTDLX I’ll have to scrape more of your content to find out what that is. 🤣
@@AlexLTDLX BTW, have you done a “boost school-math class” video on how to determine how much boost you can get out of a charger at x rpm?
Hey, look into the Aisin AMR500. It’s a small supercharger, costing usually $200 and readily available. It can support up to 400hp(supposedly) but is great for smaller motors. How big is your motor?
Believe it or not, the engine doesn’t dictate the max power of a turbo or supercharger, it’s all in how much it can flow. You should be able to calculate flow rates, if so you can make a “guesstimate” of roughly 10hp per lb of air per hour. So if a turbo/SC can support 50lb/hr, it CAN make 500hp(before efficiency losses)
@@AlexLTDLX hey, what exactly is the P2/VESC?
Pretty cool mate
I am excited to see how this new configuration works out.
I gave you a like because I think it's worth it.🍻
Awesome Alex!
Thank you sir.
Beautiful precision work man. Keep up the great work man
Thanks for the kind words and taking the time to comment!
love the idea with the rc motor
Nice work.
Thanks!
6:42 "Vortech used an oddball M12 x 1.5"
Everyone, except Americans: "Vortech used a perfectly sensible M12 x 1.5"
Lol
nice entrance
It's looking good!
Thanks. I hope it works as good as it looks.
@@AlexLTDLX I think it'll blow the doors off honestly
This video was very precise I must admit! Lol awesome content thank you brother
Thanks for the kind words!
Thanks for your work. This is great.
Can’t wait to see the results!!
That makes two of us.
Stand strong, keep fighting, keep looking up for your redemption draws near…
no, it's Sledgehammer time.
lol
I got a thick wall 1835 that's got four individual throttle bodies for the electronic fuel injection I would love to add this setup all I got to do is put some hats on the throttle bodies and have someone professionally tune the computer
This is awesome
A turbo that has almost as much power as my car engine
that's some mad max shit right there. driving along and in need of bostage, pull the jesus switch and triple your ponies.
This is so cool
M12 1.5 is a auto standard for a lot of import cars just did a hood on a Toyota Carolla yesterday bolts you guessed it m12 1.5
Yeah, it's just odd because literally every other bolt on that thing is SAE.
Electric turbo has an advanced and without exhaust heat it should run a lot cooler and last longer
It's not a turbo. Turbos have turbines. This is a supercharger.
My hobby is model engineering and the British have a saying about American model engineering. They like a draw-filed finish but Americans tend to polish our stuff. The expression is derogatory: "Highly Polished and Deeply Scratched" because we polish it over the scratches rather than filing/sanding out the scratches prior to polishing.
That's pretty much what I did. It was quick and easy.
You just snagged a `scriber... I used to be madly passionate about cars some time ago, but my main focus was machining and machines... I watch jafro to keep my automotive passions up, but you just hit the spot... Ang. con. ball bearings in a turbo... Most interesting... Not sure as to how brilliant of an idea that really is, as any gunk will mess those up real quick and in a hurry, and engine oil is definitely not clean enough for such lubrication even after 10 hours of engine work, but hey, fuck do i know, i just saw this shiny block for the first time, maybe the oil is just cooling the thing and bearings are sealed and grease lubed with an ultra high speed spindle bearing grease... I didnt even pay attention to the number of ports on the thing to even check if it was coolant cooled or oil cooled... I was just pleased to see both of my interests overlap... And btw, i love the ``you`ll have to deal with it`` attitude...
All the best and kind regards!
Steuss
Thanks. I used Kluber's Isoflex 15 grease in the bearings and they have so far held up fine for the last year without any maintenance. Since this thing doesn't spin all the time, I think it should last for quite a while.
@@AlexLTDLX
Aaah, so bearings are not oil lubed? Kluber makes some fine stuff... I use Kluber LDS Special A, as that is what my milling machine uses in her spindle bearings... Of course i don`t waste it on random bearings and every bearing, but when there is a bearing and an application where i want to rely on quality rather than service every year, i use that grease... It`s designed to run loaded mill spindle ultra high precision bearings for 5 years between changes, so you know it`s some good shit...
I will definitely remember this video for future reference... I am a car nut afterall... This type of modification will likely find its way into a few of my cars...
I have a few of my own lunatic ideas and designs, but this is much more tame and more easily doable when compared to a custom special engine with custom induction, exhaust, ``valving``, lubrication and ancillary systems... Not to speak of an exhaust cooling steam system with a turbine and condensers, all merely there to act as another induction system that partially feeds into exhaust to make a pressure delta via velocity differential as to put negative pressure on the exhaust manifold, while also having a single thin tube for secondary exhaust combustion - metered so it doesn`t mess with O2 sensors... And 4 small lines that would feed constant warm air(around 75C) to brake rotors, which would keep them closer to optimal operational temp, while also cooling them during harder use, as the turbine would likely be spooled by hard engine use(hot exhaust), and would continue to blast air through its metered lines for a minute or two just on heat inertia of the whole system... Oh, have i mentioned that the car would be converted to 4wheel drive, but all 4 wheels would be ran by independent hydraulic motors and would have 4 wheel steering and hydraulic suspension? Yeah, that is my kind of madness, so you see why i called your sledgehammer more tame... But that kind of madness has to wait... That shit will snort lines of my cash like a rockstar, and i need a special car to do it, something worthy of such a massive project and undertaking... Aaand i need to build a new shop to fit all my stuff...
All the best and warm regards!
Steuss
So much to say! Awesome that this is not a mustang but still a fox body. I have a v3 vortech set up on a 4.2 litre Audi, so I’m familiar with the set up (although you said it’s a different turbine?)
I would love to go this route and have a simpler engine set up, but I’m not sure how I’d go about tuning for it. Killer work. E boost is great!!
Thanks - that is a big gotcha - you need to be able to tune for this thing.
I would love to to this on my Rx8
My nephew in law is Ukrainian. The first thing I did when the war started was to see if he needed anything. He didn’t need my help so I pray daily for Ukraine. What a hearty and determined people. For what little they have, they’re kicking Russian ASS. I don’t blame the Russian soldiers for this either. Their officers should know better, but they have been lied to, in much the same way as our Government has lied to us. You should know who I’m talking about. If not, do the research!
You're doing nice machine work man looks great 👍💯
Thanks - if you didn't see it, this is how this thing did at the track: th-cam.com/video/RT0M88xHzNQ/w-d-xo.html
I'm ready to see 👀 that run 🏃♂️
You and me both.
@@AlexLTDLX you should do a collaboration with cleetus McFarland
I’m with you and your family
Thank you.
Well I never would have guessed Ukrainian but there you go. Looks like you took a lot of thought into supporting the motor cannot wait to see what the future holds can't wait for track time of course.
Yeah - we look like normal people, lol. The motor support was really the most obvious choice requiring the least modification to the existing setup. I was just not looking forward to spending the time making it. The standoffs were easy; that silly bracket took a lot of layout time and slow going on the machine work. Running the boring head even slowly made the whole machine shake.
@@AlexLTDLX haha I should clarify that I was referring to a few videos back when you were asking us to take a guess of what other language you spoke based on what little accent you have I would have never guessed Ukrainian.
Oh yeah - forgot about that.
@@AlexLTDLX what's happening now is something else..
lots of information AND disinformation about what's really what.
how I know it to be, may be offensive to who I may think is misinformed.
leave it at that, and pray that all the evil is there stopped.
same as I pray all the evil HERE is stopped.
I think you'll find that as the gaffertape "yields" the clamp bolts loosen and rattle out. Slowly because of the viscosity of the anti seize
That's a good thought. I'll keep an eye on that.
doesn't need much torque, tape only compresses so much. the support tubes on the all thread shouldn't be issue either, diameter gives some bicycle frame type rigidity short as they are, motor can't twist on its mount plate. loctite and a little torque, still keep a watch on it all anyway but I doubt it'll budge any.
If you get a chance to mass-produce this turbo I will buy it. The first electric turbo that is not a scam from ebay
It's not the first one that works. There's a few commercial models, but you get what you pay for, they're a few grand for the kit. I think it was MCM that did a video on them a few years ago, the electric turbos that actually work... They worked great for smaller cars up to like 6cyl. For 8 they were a little too little air flowed, but they weren't sized for 8 either.
Stay with it Audi is doing it now
The electric weed eater lives on!
Lol. I was going to throw the whole thing out, but I said to myself, "this aluminum tube is going to be useful someday..."
@@AlexLTDLX I have all kinds of '' this is going to be useful someday '' items laying around!
cool man keep it up
Everytime he says precise
Excelent : just removing the Heat from the exhaust...
Should make a lot more horsepower..
CrazyHorse Speed Shop,, New Jersey, usa
Good stuff. I always wondered how the motors are connected to the supercharger.
Awesome!
you did professional work on making everything great job!
those vortec chargers are massive.if the electric motor cant keep up with flow maybe a smaller charger or turbo that has turbine side removed you could do this with?def try this on smaller displacement engine since they will tax the electric motor less.
The challenge is motor availability vs rpm. Beyond that, another issue is long cables and high motor rpm, but I think I have that issue solved.
My f150 runs on CNG. Compressed natural gas. The tank sits at 3,600psi. It’s 120 octane rating. Wonder what the possibilities are to have a second ‘air’ tank that shoves the mixture into the motor. Forced air with no input besides the 3,600 psi in the tanks. The HP would be spent putting the air into the tank. Something to consider.
Mickey Thompson actually did that back in the day. Worth googling if you haven't seen it.
@@AlexLTDLX take a look at ‘Compressed air super chargers’! A guy has products and a system for this.
"Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them"? outstanding!
I'm looking at it as a hobbyist, and ex jewelers machinist, SME certed back when.
yeah that motor in a go-cart would probably run 8 second QM's, for giggles.
that "flex coupler", perfectly simple, hopefully the driven bolt wont shear on ya.
The 6mm bolt has a tightening torque spec of 14 ft-lbs. The LMT motor, at full tilt, is rated at 40kW and 50,000 rpm. 40kW is 53 hp. Hp is a function of torque and rpm. So if it hits 53hp at 50,000 rpm, that's only 5.4 ft-lbs of torque. If it hits 53 hp at 25,000 rpm, that' still only 11 ft-lbs. In the first version (20kW peak, 14kW continuous), the 6mm bolt had no issues. The math says it should be fine here too - in fact, I consider it a mechanical fuse - but if it does shear, I'll just move up to an 8mm bolt with the head milled down to a 10mm hex. But dynamic real world loads might cause issues - only one way to find out!
@@AlexLTDLX BOV should protect the 6mm from throttle closing quickly.
The motor should be capable of serious power from 10k.
Have some experience with 40mm NEU motors, in Y wind they can do continuous power from 10k. Max efficiency at 35k. Bearings good to 60k.
very good
lookout were going aerospace🤪👍
Hopefully - we'll see if it pulls the front wheels on launch - then we can call it aerospace. The car did with the Whipple, I'd think with the improved weight distribution this should too.
@@AlexLTDLX yup, rear traction is best when fronts barely down.
go atmospheric! what is that? about 14.3 psi at sea level?
this package just might!
I've used gaffers tape for furnace ducting! Overkill I know but it was what I had...
5 minutes 9 seconds, and I'm already drunk
lol
Love it
One of the coolest projects I’ve seen in years. Go Ukraine!
Я проходил это видео стороной, но когда заинтересовался газотурбинными двигателями и узнал их проблему с раскручиванием, подумал, что пришло время
It would be a really fun and interesting experiment to power the electric motor on this turbo by a generator or alternator being spun by a hot side of a turbo! It would eliminate the heat transfer that normally happens from hot side to cold side. And you could also store and buffer the power with batteries and capacitors if you wanted to. I wonder if an alternator would work for that if you geared it right.
That's basically what porche plans to do next.
@@SoulTouchMusic93 that's how the F1 MGU-H on the 2016-2024 V6 1.6L turbo hybrid engines work.
The turbo is split into two parts, the hot side connected to a generator and charging the power cells, and the turbine powered by an electric motor. With a button to increase the voltage to the turbine for additional power when overtaking.
Why didn't I think of that, makes sense
One of the German makers was looking into scavenging every btu of heat going down the pipe- heat is energy- and turning it into amps via turbines.. which was going to 'help' the ICE engine by putting torque directly to the crank. I"m not sure what happened, probably not the payoff they were looking for.
Yeah us kids yeah let’s take a shot of beer :)
Nice machine work! If you need any dynamic balancing, I make motors and rotors for a living. Would you have room for a larger diameter motor? Was the motor speed selected for the blower speed?
That's an offer I might take you up on in the future. We could go larger diameter, but we need a lot of rpm. Feel free to send me an email in the contact section of my channel's main page.
Looks like there is enough room to add another 53hp motor... 😉
Big brain time
Lol... one at a time! To go bigger, I'd likely use a lower-rpm outrunner motor and the gear step up built in to most blowers.
Great precision work! Guess its part Turbo so I like it, and the fact Audi has Electric turbo'd a TT RS for twin turbos on the 2.5 5 cylinder! Think I should on my TT RS also as 600 HP is better than 400 stock.
It's not a turbo. Turbos have turbines. This is a supercharger.
Totally Bad ass.
12x1.5 is the same size Honda uses to support the wheels for their trucks
I love this
Awsome where can I buy the parts to turn my old turbo to new electric one
Check out our forum www.electrifiedboost.com
8:30 in I fell over completely drunk, j/k I did shots of water and had to go take a leak real bad.
What size motor is that? Its huge! Beautiful craftsmanship. You have to sell these because i need that bad! Cheers from Australia ❤
Thanks - that's an LMT 30100 motor. It's rated for 50,000 rpm and 53 hp.
This is MAD ! .....
over here its eazier to find a used truck turbo then it is to find a vortech compressor , wonder if you can use the compressor wheel and housing and make youre own backing plate for the housing with bearing and axle from the compressorwheel to the motor
Sure you could. Just try to find a turbo with a fairly large exducer (and small inducer). I did a video on compressor maps in the "electric turbo" playlist on my channel. As long as it meets the requirements (keep in mind, on the high power motor side you're really not going to find much that can go over 50,000 rpm - so that's one practical limitation). I'm also working on a cheaper, easier to build variant that should support about 650hp - check out my videos from a month or two ago. I set that aside because I need to try a different motor, so I've decided to turn my attentions to this thing. But I'll get back on that one soon enough.
@@AlexLTDLX maibe try gearing the electic motor up and use one with more watts think running one at that speed will wear it out pretty fast anyway