Also VR Wire II is a product which is genius because it allows for a sliding along a wire effect as well as pulleys and along with Turn Signal, it really ends the cable twisting issue.
Karl, the reason your cable is getting mangled is due to the cable not being given enough slack. You have a cable tie on the back of your headset which appears to be very tight to hold it in place, which is fine, but you also have the cable tightly held on your last pulley as well. That is putting a ton of tension between those two points. What you should do is get a key ring(the round metal kind you separate with your fingernail) and attach it to the final pulley. Run your cable through the key ring and THEN you can cable tie it to your headset. The key ring will allow your cable to slide back and forth and also twist freely without tension. You can test this yourself by holding any cable in your hands. Grab either side with your index finger and thumb and try to twist the cable. You'll see that it starts to form a tight loop almost immediately which puts a lot of strain on the cable. Now try it again but this time, hold it tight on one end and let the other end rest on your palm. Even though you're twisting it just as hard, the cable has the ability to move back and forwards freely, which allows the cable to twist more without buckling. You still need to be aware of how many rotations you are doing, but I find it super easy to just let the headset spin itself out before and after playing. just hold the cable over your head and allow the headset to hang an inch above the ground and the cable will correct itself. Do this before and after you play and your cable will last months, maybe even years.
Thanks for the lengthy input! :) lol The tie on the back is lose and I do exactly as you describe at the end of each session letting it hang to untwist (even midway through some times) but you make a good point about the final pulley, I knew why it was happening (you can see it pull tight) but I hadn't thought to loosen that last pulley to allow a greater length of free play... I'll give it a try! :)
something i did was have the pulley attached to the wall and then have the cable run down my back and attach it to a belt. i found it to give me a better sense of where im at in the room while not breaking immersion, thus giving me more confidence to make the plays i needed to
Damn, That is something everyone should know before using one of those pulley system... Im glad ive watched this before using mine Thanks for the video!
I'm already weird about my cables getting twisted, just from being coiled up... and now you expose me to THIS?! At least I found it while looking for any tips to placement of my new pulley system! Thanks so much for taking a moment to share this vital info! =D
A sincere thanks for this heads up. I never would have even though about this. Kiwi Cable Pulley system is in the mail, set to be delivered today. Looks like I still have to consider some cheap secondary backup cables.
Don’t get me wrong I love the ceiling setup and all but I’m a very aesthetic person and having the cables on the ceiling looked awful and I hate it so much that I’ve taken them down and have unfortunately ripped the paint on my ceiling. If you get pulleys, MAKE SURE YOU WANT THEM!!!!!
There is another cieling cable solution (called VR Wire II) -- this does a much better job at keeping your cable suspended while reducing the amount of tension/twisting. The cable rests on cirling wheel system that is also hooked to a pulley system. The cable will instead roll along the wheels. It does have tension near the pc connection though it can be somewhat adjusted (this is a requirement with any system that suspends the cable since you don't want to end up bending any of the connectors) though since it's not as close to the HMD it takes a very long time to twist it to the point you create kinks given it's closer to the source instead of the output. I've been loving the system over stuff like the kiwi. It also looks much nicer and easier to take down if you don't want to have a permanent suspension like me.
Yes I did have that problem with the rift s but it wasn't much of a problem for me I jus had to take off the headset every 2 hours or so to untangle the wire. But for about 6 months I had no problems with the wire
There is something similar for Oculus, but the review I looked at said it introduces lots of latency. It's also VERY expensive - there's a used one on Amazon for £288. www.amazon.co.uk/TPCAST-Oculus-Rift-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B077D9NS3V
the problem is that wireless with the current technology is essentially impossible to do well. Remember, if you want to avoid getting sick, you have to get all your rendering done and the image transmitted in a single frame, so at 90hz you have like 12 ms. I have the vive wireless setup, and its not great, because the data transmission takes like 5ms. Thats just the limit of the bandwidth. So now you have to render the scene in 6 or 7 ms instead of having 11. So your settings have to be noticeably reduced etc. I am hoping a 3080 will give me enough speed to go back to the wireless, but for now i am back to using wired, its just a lot better fidelity.
thanks for this vid. I had already ordered my pulley system and was looking for more cable management tip to go with it when I found this video and I honestly hadn't thought about the fact that the wire wud b twisted while I play. I just might go in for that program that shows the spiral, cuz im really clumsy so I need the cord from around my feet, but I don't want to twist mine to hell as well. thanks for this info, mate.
Good discussion. Turnsignal works OK. After a few sessions with over-head management, I decided that the cable is just a write off, it is a maintenance item that will probably have to be replaced. I feel not getting tangled or tripping on the cable is worth probably having to replace it at some point. When the cable was across my floor, I was constantly stepping on it and standing up, almost yanking the headset off. I figured that would damaged the headset or cable at some point.
I'm glad I had an old network cable that you can roll up into a small plastic thing with a spring laying around. Free ceiling cable management basically. But yea, I always have to be careful with twisting it. I tend to keep a bit more of the cable on my side of the "pulley" so it doesn't get twisted as quickly, and I always pay attention to my floor boundaries, turning 180 degrees at most before repositioning myself. With a cable, controller turning is still the best option to keep from damaging stuff.
I always left the cable on the floor and didn't care about turning too much cause if you feel the cable getting tight at all you can just turn the other direction. I got very used to just switching the direction and have never really had a bad playing exerperince because of it you just kinda get used to it and stop caring.
I've been telling people this for ages, I wish someone could literally just create a hud overlay (something similar to steam) that just tells you how many times you should spin back around. It would definitely buy one then.
TurnSignal have issues where it will rotate by itself, even if you are standing still. Cable guardian user interface is really bad and complex. I use fpsVR. It's a toolkit with lots of options that can be controlled directly on SteamVR. I really recommend it. 3,29€ not expensive if it can save your cable.
Thanks for the video. I was thinking about getting one of those, but now I might not go through the troubles of installing it and just have the cable as is.
We're all out here with $5000+ gaming setups and we fret over small things like a $15 cable replacement every now and then. An interesting idea I had was to leave some more slack and turn your cable into a sort of spindle (very loosely) as if you were going to pack it up so when you start turning, the spindle just gets a bit smaller or larger depending on which direction you turn in.
Great video man... I JUST got my pulley system thank god I found this. I have a CV1 also and sure enough, I just checked, it looks like my cable is heavily twisted / bent. Probably was just a matter of time ... I will say though - Even if you don't rotate around freely, I think they're still worth having? Without the pulleys, if I crouch down in a game, the cord would go under my feet. Then if I standup, it catches under my food, and YANKS really hard on the headset.
Get some type of playmat that has textures on it that allows you to feel were you are standing in VR by using your feet. Now I do not own a VR headset but one of my family members does and they also had a playmat, I was able to figure out were I was facing right away with it (good thing too because he has shelves hung up on the wall and they have a very sharp corner).
I destroyed two Vive cables exactly the way Karl describes, twisting it up using a ceiling-mount setup. I did use Turn Signal to warn me about excessive turning, but it was still a problem. Now I use the HTC wireless adapter because tripping over the cable on the floor doesn't seem like an answer either.
Battery life is roughly 5 hours with a 20,000 mAh aftermarket battery. Anything with QC 3.0 or later and 24+ Watt output works. The Index isn't wireless, but the Vive Pro 2 is, and is higher resolution than the Index. That's what I'm running now.
Better solution would be to get a high quality slip ring with enough commutators for the connection pin out then just solder in some male/female connections to it (you can sometimes find them prewired for things like USB3). This would allow for complete 360 dregree rotation of the connection without any line twist. Draw back is depending on the number of connections they can get alittle bulky which might be a issue for some line pulleys.
Thank you so much. Just got VR for the first time for my wife to get her into gaming. Was looking into pulley system setups and found your video. 🍻 Mate
I have had a ceiling setup for years now. The problem with having it on the floor, is the risk of tripping over it and how it might destroy more than just the cable. Being without a cable with the Quest is probably the best solution, but then, it becomes uncomfortable... which might be solved with the Halo Headstrap replacement you can get for it. The Vive DAS Frankenquest mod does make it a bit more comfortable as well, but not as much as the Rift, Rift S or Index. With my Index I have come to find that it seems the cable being so thin, light and flexible on the Rift might actually cause this problem, because that is useful overall... but not when it comes to this, because it twists up so easily. But the comparatively bulky Index cable seems to be much less inclined to twist up. Its likely to avoid twisting as you turn around because of this, but it might still happen. Still I have not ever ended up with the mess of a cable above my as with my Rift, where the cable and the pulley is all twisted up. Some games I end up preferring to play on my Quest using Virtual Desktop because of this.
yah i ultimately decided to invest my money into insane internet speeds and high end routers, worth every penny. got my latency down to a steady 10-14ms, only games i dont play over virtual desktop now is beat saber(i think this has more to do with the 30htz quest controllers more than the latency) and echo arena(which i just play over the quest platform anyways)
That's the reason I finally bought a TPCast a couple of years ago. Broke 2 cables that way. But beware that once you went wireless, it's REALLY hard to go back to tethered without feeling ... well .. tethered ;)
1:21 brother you totally look like a ballerina 😂😂 Just kidding... Great video!!! I was thinking of getting a pulley system and did not think about this at all. Thank you for sharing.
Honestly man get one it's worth it. For me I'm always concious of what I'm doing in vr and if I turn I turn the other way so it doesn't twist and if you have it setup like I do not on purpose you will kinda feel it if you spin around once or twice that might just be the position of the wire on the index but it makes vr 100 times better
@@xsytrance I like it it feels wireless I don't feel any pull at all even getting on my knees on the ground and even laying down I don't feel any resistance and not having to kick a cable out from the way beside you Is worth it in itself.
If you create an opening at the end of the pulley, where it goes down to your headset, (like a key ring) so it can move freely. (There is a big comment on the top that explains well how this is done)
you might of untwisted it on the outside but the inside wires on the inside have a harder time untwisting and you can damage them if your not careful by heating it
Yeah these cables are insane. My cosmos elite has twisted to hell. The length is now null and its lifespan has probably tenthed. I don't know how the cables haven't improved.
I wonder if you could take a fairly heavy wire -maybe cut the ends off a beefy extension cord- and cable-tie it every few inches along the length of the Oculus cable. It wouldn't eliminate the cable's ability to twist, but would reinforce the Oculus cable. You would also have the added benefit that any twisting at all would be immediately visible.
Maybe even braid some wire starting at the last pully and using heat shrink to reinforce it? I know that old guitar hero cables at a Game store had heavy duty metal tubing on it going from one end to the other, completely stoped it from twisting and the cable would just loop up.
Sadly alot of games now use OpenXR instead of SteamVR on WMR headsets meaning that when you launch a game it kicks you out of SteamVR and into WMR instead so turnsignal or cableguardian dont work. Yes, you can force SteamVR but as developers use the OpenXR more and more many of the control schemes fail to work properly and interfere with SteamVR overlay buttons (such as joystick press) however you can remap the controls IF the devs give the ability to map them. I've had some trouble with getting some to work because they just havent included where the mapped controlers map to.. I wish you could run Turnsignal or CableGuardian on WMR or there was an alternative (you can run turnsignal but WMR only allows one active application so closes it down)
If you just need to avoid trippin on the wire & twisting just mount the a simple pully on the wall at ear height and secure the cable from the head set with zipties like you did but with some minor difference Use a thicker hair tie the is a rolled fabric and secure the tie while it’s in the fold of the hair tie. The extended cable will have one ceiling pully to eliminate slack from the wall pully The position you would want the cable to finally leave the head strap is an area where a person would wear a pony tail or feel the top of your skull and move towards the back there will be a spot the curves around into a divot at the start of that curve is where you need the cable to free from the equipment and into the pully system the angel will help with minimal conflict based on your proportions and the wall pully at eat level will be the range to let you spin a couple times slowing making the cable noticeable to guide you based on how much you spin The pully holding the slack will need to be tight and have minimal slack for both sides this will give you a measurement of changing your rotation count and how strong or weak you can set the resistance to get the right feel without overly abusing to much at a time
you make a hotglue sleeve around the cable where the bending occurs so it cannot get bent too much. in my setup if i turn too much it will start coiling up and i notice a tugging, then i just untwist and its fine. worked like that for a year (sweaty every day) but now my cable is dead despite no visible damage
gunna be moving to a new place here soon where im going to have a extra room to make into sorta gaming room or a media room and was thinking about adding a pully system to my vr headset, but thanks to your video i dont think im going to do that anymore. my index is outta warranty and i dont wanna have to replace something like that outta pocket.
i JUSt pooched my 2nd cable and now i just run a low pro HDMI cable in place of the old one. On my Vive....like hell i was going to pay 69.99 for a new cable when i can get 15ft hdmi for 18 shipped....works great and i no longer use the celing system....now im saving up for wireless
I wonder why there isn`t allready a Wifi or faster then bluetooth attachable module to the VR Mask, transmitting the signals to a USB receiver at the PC for gaming, because cables disturb walking around in a room. In the civil sport drone piloting are headsets that transmitting multi K high resolution feedback from the drone cam miles away. Therefore should be possible for normal VR headsets too. I just raise that question becaue they could apply that on the many VR masks without players disturbed by cables.
There is mate, HTC have had one out for a couple of years for the original Vive, but it's heavy, expensive and slightly laggy. Bandwidth is the main problem, 2880×1600 @ 90hz and upwards with a low latency is very demanding, current mainstream Wifi is not fast enough and Bluetooth is not even in the same ball park.
Very late to the party, but do you think curtain rings will work with the pulley system? Then the cable have more wiggle room to twist. Tnx for your informative videos!
I thought this would happen, I tend to just use the joystick when I wanna do complete turns, and try my best to check every 30 minutes if I'm twisting up
Oculus really needs to release an official wireless option (direct from PC to headset). Virtual Desktop has a bit too much latency, dedicated hardware would be much better. This would be for the Quest devices, which I think is where things will be going. I don't expect Oculus to release another wired only headset.
Well, just a word of warning - check to what countries they deliver spare parts. I bought it and was pretty annoyed that Czech republic isn´t on the list. And now I can´t even get spare one becuse even on Amazon there are no cables for sale! How durable are those things anyway? (Or NOT-durable)
Yeah you have not been able to buy a new cable for over a year now mate, Oculus stopped selling them shortly after releasing the Rift S. They are pretty tough though.
@@KarlGosling Thank you for reply! Oh snap! That´s a bummer then :( Optical cables are probably quite expensive (even when there is probably just one string). Oh well, next time I will buy something wireless (but i will need 5Ghz wireless router to play from PC). Cable from Rift S seems tough, but loves to tangle. I had to give it´s shape "O" how it came in package and taped it. Now I shouldn´t damage it with my stomping or so on. Oh well, but otherwise I´m very happy with it - it has great performance, reactive and it has no problems even when i play in near darkness, just in ambient light from monitor. I think those cables are one of the reasons they discontinued it. But probably during the lifetime of my Rift S they will come with more advanced models. I´ve just noticed - deformities on the cable itself are normal? (it has those nicks).
After watching your video about is it worth buying oculus rift in 2020 i got one on ebay which had bundled with it a 3rd sensor 2 extra controls and a tp cast which makes it wireless just adds a little bit of weight due to battery pack
Not a solution to the twisting issue but an idea that might save you money. Chop the cable at the back of the headset and strip the ends of each cable and screw them into a plug connecter, when you trash a cable you can unplug them from the headset and buy a reel of cable you can cut to legnth for a fraction of the cost of an official repair. A lot of headphone modders do this to help prolong their expensive wired headphones.
(Comment edited for grammatical clarity.) Thanks so much for making this video. Uploaded. Subscribed. I swear I have seen a piece of tech that can address this and allow us to spin while not allowing the wire to twist and not interfering with this process.... now to remember where I've seen it and then to hunt it up and see if I can apply it to this process. (On the side, keep up with me, come chill with me and vrchat, in 2 months or so I will have the index and another month I will have shaken off of the noob by then,.. Then I will be in need of directions for activities. Keeping up with me will also keep you dialed in if I discover a fix for this issue, which I probably will or I will conceptualize some tech of which will be poached and then applied if someone else didn't think of it already, which they probably did... Either way, it won't be long before we have this cable issue, when it's twisting, macgyvered as well. On a fishing pole there's something called a spin reel. That prevents the line from twisting as it reels out in reels in. I swear I've seen this for other things besides a fishing pole and I am still hunting. (If steam were to employ me, this would have already been invented and be part of the package... it's the sort of thing that never would Escape me during quality assurance testing processes but of course nobody wants to pay me for that sort of thing when they can get it for free from everyone's feedback. Again, absurd waste and trivializing... Both of the likes of me and the majority who are enslaved through this quality assurance and user interface testing and feedback process. It's a new form of slavery that needs to be addressed on a global political level and an end to it must beyond our near horizon.)
That's funny, MY CABLE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, IS A FISHING POLE! (When outaide, I clip into a long bendy fishing pole that lets me move around quite far. (I tend to turn using software anyways,..)
You & I ARE the bait,.. so many poles in the whatever... Perceive paramount, poignantly profane perturbations, peaked pontifications, playfully peppered pointing piss plainly,.. phishing, flows flexibly feeding factories feverishly. When I go into VRchat and every online environment; I have ways of hooking ppl for an interesting convo or collaboration. We are the sort that give all of these environments actual "value". Without us, the platforms are merely limp rods missing baited hooks.
I recently got an Oculus but REFUSE to pay £90 for the cable. I bought a 3rd party cable for £15. Same length, same everything and works fine. So if you damage the cable beyond repair from a pully system, it can be £15 replacement rather than the absurd £90 Oculus ask for.
@@KarlGosling yeah, I think I've got too many valuable/fragile things around I can break so I'm highly aware of where I am in my play space and so I dont spin as a result
There is an easy way to prevent the twist problems, set the pulleys after figuring it out. I have mine set around the ceiling, but the main rear retractors, I use 1 static, BUT, behind that mount is another that attaches in front that has 2 pulleys in series. What you get from that is the same retraction, but the initial point is a soft retraction that allows the cable less tension and the ability to turn and twist over a greater length. The entire headset cable of mine is in the retraction cables. Years later, no issues...
@@mackamotorsport2593 if you head to my user page SuperScumble, you'll find a breakdown of all parts used and links 👍 On my phone atm, so cannot link directly.
If you have a wire connected between the oculus and the first pulley you could relieve the tention of the cable by keeping the wire a bit shorter than the cable in that area
HOLY F***... you just saved me 30 bucks And an RMA call... I just learned to loop it in a caribeaner on your back loop... or a clip.. I don't know... i'll be alright..
actually, if you have like a rubber o-ring, or like me, I won some... C*** rings at a sex toy bingo that I never opened and completely forgot about, lol... loop your cable thru oring , and then put the Caribbeaner thru the ring, and it will limit wear on the cable as it will be resting on the rubber o-ring and not the aluminum Caribbeaner. hook it at your side and it works great!...
What I do is if the game allows smooth turning is I move my head to the right or left and use the smooth turn to rotate and usually u can make it turn u faster
Great video! I've literally just come to the point where I felt that I've done enough VR-pulley-setup-research, to go ahead and buy one. Found a Top-10 of VR pulley setup's lol. That did it. And then just as I was putting the Kiwi pro in my Amazon basket, I stumbled upon this video. Now I'm going to go ahead with this project anyway but I'll surely take your advice into account. At the end of the day I'm sure I'll have fun setting up pulleys and levers, installing fans to my headset, putting mats on the floor etc. etc. - and then play a few games and then never use it again. It's fun to build the tree-house but once it's built, there's no fun in spending time there. On to the next project!
I got myself an oculus quest and the official link cable. Since it’s so flexible, I’m hoping that it won’t run into this problem, and I’m leaning towards that it won’t experience this. Thanks for the heads up though
Yup, this is all very true. Now my headset is useless and worth pennies because the cheapest cable available is around £100. Who on earth can justify that when it's on it's way too just buying a new headset. Shame :(
I had a thought.. what about putting up the cable so that's it at the same hight of the chest ? You wouldn't get tangled with your feet and fall and also not twist it ...
Hello, it's a good video, I havent thought about this problem and I want to buy such a ceiling mount too. You said something about software which help, not to twist the cable too strong. Do you have any links from the developers??
@@KarlGosling I know it's over kill haha. You will always have a strain when 360ing the only way round it is to make it twist over a distance and never hold cable to hold hmd as in video. I think I seen the cable is only rated to hold 150g so will be straining cable. Unless you have like 12 pulleys lol then should be able to take more strain
Hi Karl, had a thought about this, they make a male to female HDMI 360 degree rotational adaptor online which if fixed above you coupled with a retracting line pulley would to me totally fix this issue.....only one snag I can't for the life of me find a DP equivalent adaptor. Not sure why or if there's something about DP that makes it impossible to make it 360 but thought it was worth mentioning in case someone out there knows if one exists.
@@KarlGosling Thanks, it occurred to me I'd seen them before ages ago. I guess it would work for the old CV1 setups. HDMI Cable might pull out possibly but you could glue or set each seperate side in resin to stop that easily.
the only solution I see to such case is that for preventing cable damage there should be a second metal wire attached to the main cable, which significantly lowers the amount of bending the headset cable can make. idk this was the first thing that came to my mind, maybe someone did it and proven it works or otherwise
These confirmed my worries, thank you. I am just getting used to the idea of kind of having a tail to just be conscious of and step over as I spin around. Seems to be okay and I can feel the tension build up over time as well so I don't need extra software.
The two programs I mention in this video are Turn Signal and Cable Guardian.
Also VR Wire II is a product which is genius because it allows for a sliding along a wire effect as well as pulleys and along with Turn Signal, it really ends the cable twisting issue.
Karl, the reason your cable is getting mangled is due to the cable not being given enough slack. You have a cable tie on the back of your headset which appears to be very tight to hold it in place, which is fine, but you also have the cable tightly held on your last pulley as well. That is putting a ton of tension between those two points. What you should do is get a key ring(the round metal kind you separate with your fingernail) and attach it to the final pulley. Run your cable through the key ring and THEN you can cable tie it to your headset. The key ring will allow your cable to slide back and forth and also twist freely without tension. You can test this yourself by holding any cable in your hands. Grab either side with your index finger and thumb and try to twist the cable. You'll see that it starts to form a tight loop almost immediately which puts a lot of strain on the cable. Now try it again but this time, hold it tight on one end and let the other end rest on your palm. Even though you're twisting it just as hard, the cable has the ability to move back and forwards freely, which allows the cable to twist more without buckling. You still need to be aware of how many rotations you are doing, but I find it super easy to just let the headset spin itself out before and after playing. just hold the cable over your head and allow the headset to hang an inch above the ground and the cable will correct itself. Do this before and after you play and your cable will last months, maybe even years.
Thanks for the lengthy input! :) lol
The tie on the back is lose and I do exactly as you describe at the end of each session letting it hang to untwist (even midway through some times) but you make a good point about the final pulley, I knew why it was happening (you can see it pull tight) but I hadn't thought to loosen that last pulley to allow a greater length of free play... I'll give it a try! :)
@@KarlGosling How did it work out after trying this. I might decide to get a pulley system based on this or not.
How big or small must this keyring be?
@@Sa_Co_Mi The size shouldn't matter too much. Just make sure the cable can slide freely.
@@KarlGosling How did this wind up going for you?
You'd make a beautiful ballerina Karl!
ha thanks Morgan! lol
something i did was have the pulley attached to the wall and then have the cable run down my back and attach it to a belt. i found it to give me a better sense of where im at in the room while not breaking immersion, thus giving me more confidence to make the plays i needed to
Do you have a video of your setup?
Old video, but its a golden oldie. Subscribed. Good to see actually unique perspectives here on TH-cam.
Damn, That is something everyone should know before using one of those pulley system... Im glad ive watched this before using mine
Thanks for the video!
I'm already weird about my cables getting twisted, just from being coiled up... and now you expose me to THIS?! At least I found it while looking for any tips to placement of my new pulley system! Thanks so much for taking a moment to share this vital info! =D
lol No worries, just good to be aware of! :)
A sincere thanks for this heads up. I never would have even though about this. Kiwi Cable Pulley system is in the mail, set to be delivered today. Looks like I still have to consider some cheap secondary backup cables.
Beautifully done. Not one cut, and not one fluff of words. 👍👍
Cuts are pointless, if you mess it up just keep rolling! :) lol
Karl, your content is amazing! Thank you for almost a daily upload!
Doing my best mate, daily upload is a bit of a stretch though! lol
Thank you so much for talking about this and sharing this valuable information!
Glad it was helpful!
What a great insight! I'm a new owner of an index VR index with a pulley system and I didn't think about this, so thank you!
Very welcome!
Michael Saragosa Howd you get the valve index? Did you order and just wait for many weeks? They are all back ordered.
Don’t get me wrong I love the ceiling setup and all but I’m a very aesthetic person and having the cables on the ceiling looked awful and I hate it so much that I’ve taken them down and have unfortunately ripped the paint on my ceiling. If you get pulleys, MAKE SURE YOU WANT THEM!!!!!
Yup I had that when I removed one of mine! Lol
Use a hairdryer on low to medium heat and then you can slowly peel and wiggle it off because it loosens the adhesive
@@Breadlocks GOOD ADVICE! HIGH HEAT=MELTS THE PAINT TOO!
@@WoodysAR He said low to medium heat . . .
@@d4rk0v3 That is why he wrote "good advice"; it is "good advice" to use low to medium heat, because "high heat" will also melt the paint.
My ceiling set up is duck tape lmao!! Love your videos! They have helped a lot.
im glad you mentioned this, i was thinking of getting a cable pulley but always wondererd about if it would twist like that...now i know :)
Yeah be careful if you do!
There are cable pulleys that allow twisting.
There is another cieling cable solution (called VR Wire II) -- this does a much better job at keeping your cable suspended while reducing the amount of tension/twisting.
The cable rests on cirling wheel system that is also hooked to a pulley system. The cable will instead roll along the wheels.
It does have tension near the pc connection though it can be somewhat adjusted (this is a requirement with any system that suspends the cable since you don't want to end up bending any of the connectors) though since it's not as close to the HMD it takes a very long time to twist it to the point you create kinks given it's closer to the source instead of the output. I've been loving the system over stuff like the kiwi. It also looks much nicer and easier to take down if you don't want to have a permanent suspension like me.
haha I love how you turned around the other way at 1:22 even though you don't have a cable on your head getting tangled up. Muscle memory is scary.
It's mostly because I'm using a wired mic to record the video and didn't want to tangle it up! Lol
Yes I did have that problem with the rift s but it wasn't much of a problem for me I jus had to take off the headset every 2 hours or so to untangle the wire. But for about 6 months I had no problems with the wire
This is just one of the many reasons why we need wireless VirtualLink dongles asap!
Wireless adapter for HTC vive you know that right
VirtualLink is dead, not on the new generation of GPUs
There is something similar for Oculus, but the review I looked at said it introduces lots of latency. It's also VERY expensive - there's a used one on Amazon for £288. www.amazon.co.uk/TPCAST-Oculus-Rift-Wireless-Adapter/dp/B077D9NS3V
the problem is that wireless with the current technology is essentially impossible to do well. Remember, if you want to avoid getting sick, you have to get all your rendering done and the image transmitted in a single frame, so at 90hz you have like 12 ms. I have the vive wireless setup, and its not great, because the data transmission takes like 5ms. Thats just the limit of the bandwidth. So now you have to render the scene in 6 or 7 ms instead of having 11. So your settings have to be noticeably reduced etc. I am hoping a 3080 will give me enough speed to go back to the wireless, but for now i am back to using wired, its just a lot better fidelity.
thanks for this vid. I had already ordered my pulley system and was looking for more cable management tip to go with it when I found this video and I honestly hadn't thought about the fact that the wire wud b twisted while I play. I just might go in for that program that shows the spiral, cuz im really clumsy so I need the cord from around my feet, but I don't want to twist mine to hell as well. thanks for this info, mate.
Glad I could help
Good discussion.
Turnsignal works OK. After a few sessions with over-head management, I decided that the cable is just a write off, it is a maintenance item that will probably have to be replaced. I feel not getting tangled or tripping on the cable is worth probably having to replace it at some point.
When the cable was across my floor, I was constantly stepping on it and standing up, almost yanking the headset off. I figured that would damaged the headset or cable at some point.
These days there's no need for a cable at all, a Quest 2 supports wireless PCVR.
Thanks, i think ill just stick to the ground.. This video acually helped
I'm glad I had an old network cable that you can roll up into a small plastic thing with a spring laying around. Free ceiling cable management basically. But yea, I always have to be careful with twisting it. I tend to keep a bit more of the cable on my side of the "pulley" so it doesn't get twisted as quickly, and I always pay attention to my floor boundaries, turning 180 degrees at most before repositioning myself. With a cable, controller turning is still the best option to keep from damaging stuff.
I always left the cable on the floor and didn't care about turning too much cause if you feel the cable getting tight at all you can just turn the other direction. I got very used to just switching the direction and have never really had a bad playing exerperince because of it you just kinda get used to it and stop caring.
I've been telling people this for ages, I wish someone could literally just create a hud overlay (something similar to steam) that just tells you how many times you should spin back around. It would definitely buy one then.
There is one. It's called TurnSignal on Steam. It's free too.
TurnSignal have issues where it will rotate by itself, even if you are standing still. Cable guardian user interface is really bad and complex.
I use fpsVR. It's a toolkit with lots of options that can be controlled directly on SteamVR. I really recommend it. 3,29€ not expensive if it can save your cable.
@@marcofreire fps vr?
Thanks for the video. I was thinking about getting one of those, but now I might not go through the troubles of installing it and just have the cable as is.
We're all out here with $5000+ gaming setups and we fret over small things like a $15 cable replacement every now and then.
An interesting idea I had was to leave some more slack and turn your cable into a sort of spindle (very loosely) as if you were going to pack it up so when you start turning, the spindle just gets a bit smaller or larger depending on which direction you turn in.
Try $130 cables
Fwiw, Turn Signal is working pretty well for me so far. Steam VR should have that functionality standard imo!
I've not revisited it for months so maybe I'll take another look :)
Thanks mate, good tip!
Great video man... I JUST got my pulley system thank god I found this. I have a CV1 also and sure enough, I just checked, it looks like my cable is heavily twisted / bent. Probably was just a matter of time ...
I will say though - Even if you don't rotate around freely, I think they're still worth having? Without the pulleys, if I crouch down in a game, the cord would go under my feet. Then if I standup, it catches under my food, and YANKS really hard on the headset.
It's a pain mate, neither way is perfect.
1:20
You're a beautiful ballarina, if that's what you want to be. Believe in you.
Thankyou! I am about to set up my cable management you have almost certainly saved me from this problem!
Glad I could help!
Get some type of playmat that has textures on it that allows you to feel were you are standing in VR by using your feet. Now I do not own a VR headset but one of my family members does and they also had a playmat, I was able to figure out were I was facing right away with it (good thing too because he has shelves hung up on the wall and they have a very sharp corner).
I destroyed two Vive cables exactly the way Karl describes, twisting it up using a ceiling-mount setup. I did use Turn Signal to warn me about excessive turning, but it was still a problem. Now I use the HTC wireless adapter because tripping over the cable on the floor doesn't seem like an answer either.
Nice, 300-500 bucks or more for a 2 and a half hour battery life wireless dongle, it's cool af but Index doesn't support it
Battery life is roughly 5 hours with a 20,000 mAh aftermarket battery. Anything with QC 3.0 or later and 24+ Watt output works.
The Index isn't wireless, but the Vive Pro 2 is, and is higher resolution than the Index. That's what I'm running now.
I'm wearing that T-shirt right now. Take it off!
Good choice mate! :)
Yes. Please take it off 😏😏😚
@@REDxFROG Beat me to it! (by 6 months LOL)
Thanks for the tip fella 😁 much appreciated.
No problem 👍
Better solution would be to get a high quality slip ring with enough commutators for the connection pin out then just solder in some male/female connections to it (you can sometimes find them prewired for things like USB3). This would allow for complete 360 dregree rotation of the connection without any line twist. Draw back is depending on the number of connections they can get alittle bulky which might be a issue for some line pulleys.
Thank you so much. Just got VR for the first time for my wife to get her into gaming. Was looking into pulley system setups and found your video. 🍻 Mate
Don't lie you got it mostly for yourself lol
@@mycelium1456 oh you know it but I am being honest she has more hours than me already 🤣
@@MatsuYoda lol
@@mycelium1456 beat saber and fruit ninja will break my 1070 lol
@@MatsuYoda I'm running a 1660 super at 100 percent res with 4x AA and stay at 144fps
I have had a ceiling setup for years now. The problem with having it on the floor, is the risk of tripping over it and how it might destroy more than just the cable.
Being without a cable with the Quest is probably the best solution, but then, it becomes uncomfortable... which might be solved with the Halo Headstrap replacement you can get for it. The Vive DAS Frankenquest mod does make it a bit more comfortable as well, but not as much as the Rift, Rift S or Index.
With my Index I have come to find that it seems the cable being so thin, light and flexible on the Rift might actually cause this problem, because that is useful overall... but not when it comes to this, because it twists up so easily. But the comparatively bulky Index cable seems to be much less inclined to twist up. Its likely to avoid twisting as you turn around because of this, but it might still happen. Still I have not ever ended up with the mess of a cable above my as with my Rift, where the cable and the pulley is all twisted up.
Some games I end up preferring to play on my Quest using Virtual Desktop because of this.
yah i ultimately decided to invest my money into insane internet speeds and high end routers, worth every penny. got my latency down to a steady 10-14ms, only games i dont play over virtual desktop now is beat saber(i think this has more to do with the 30htz quest controllers more than the latency) and echo arena(which i just play over the quest platform anyways)
Very good point
That's the reason I finally bought a TPCast a couple of years ago. Broke 2 cables that way. But beware that once you went wireless, it's REALLY hard to go back to tethered without feeling ... well .. tethered ;)
Karl is so sensitive to the problem now that everytime he demonstrates a 360° he unconsciously unwinds right after :D
1:21 brother you totally look like a ballerina 😂😂 Just kidding... Great video!!! I was thinking of getting a pulley system and did not think about this at all. Thank you for sharing.
Honestly man get one it's worth it. For me I'm always concious of what I'm doing in vr and if I turn I turn the other way so it doesn't twist and if you have it setup like I do not on purpose you will kinda feel it if you spin around once or twice that might just be the position of the wire on the index but it makes vr 100 times better
@@mycelium1456 wow thank you for your feedback! Would you mind sharing which solution you ended up buying? It's really for my kids actually
@@xsytrance it's the 6 pack pro version kiwi design vr cable management on amazon for 30.99
@@xsytrance I like it it feels wireless I don't feel any pull at all even getting on my knees on the ground and even laying down I don't feel any resistance and not having to kick a cable out from the way beside you Is worth it in itself.
There is also a software in fpsvr or ovradvanced settings overlays to tell you how many much the cable turned down to the millimeter
Was thinking about a pulley system, now maybe I will just pass on that for now - thanks for the video!!
If you create an opening at the end of the pulley, where it goes down to your headset, (like a key ring) so it can move freely. (There is a big comment on the top that explains well how this is done)
It needs to be set up properly!
A bike without air in tires sucks...
Ice skates with dull or damaged blades as well
I keep a fan blowing at me in the forward direction, that way I can feel which way to face without any extra stuff beeping or getting in vision
you might of untwisted it on the outside but the inside wires on the inside have a harder time untwisting and you can damage them if your not careful by heating it
Correct!
Karl, thanks for the heads up.
Great video mate!
You are a beautiful ballerina👌👌
Yeah these cables are insane. My cosmos elite has twisted to hell. The length is now null and its lifespan has probably tenthed.
I don't know how the cables haven't improved.
I wonder if you could take a fairly heavy wire -maybe cut the ends off a beefy extension cord- and cable-tie it every few inches along the length of the Oculus cable. It wouldn't eliminate the cable's ability to twist, but would reinforce the Oculus cable. You would also have the added benefit that any twisting at all would be immediately visible.
Maybe even braid some wire starting at the last pully and using heat shrink to reinforce it? I know that old guitar hero cables at a Game store had heavy duty metal tubing on it going from one end to the other, completely stoped it from twisting and the cable would just loop up.
Sadly alot of games now use OpenXR instead of SteamVR on WMR headsets meaning that when you launch a game it kicks you out of SteamVR and into WMR instead so turnsignal or cableguardian dont work. Yes, you can force SteamVR but as developers use the OpenXR more and more many of the control schemes fail to work properly and interfere with SteamVR overlay buttons (such as joystick press) however you can remap the controls IF the devs give the ability to map them. I've had some trouble with getting some to work because they just havent included where the mapped controlers map to..
I wish you could run Turnsignal or CableGuardian on WMR or there was an alternative (you can run turnsignal but WMR only allows one active application so closes it down)
This guy looks like he could beat Donkey Kong in an arm wrestling match! Dude is ripped!
If you just need to avoid trippin on the wire & twisting just mount the a simple pully on the wall at ear height and secure the cable from the head set with zipties like you did but with some minor difference
Use a thicker hair tie the is a rolled fabric and secure the tie while it’s in the fold of the hair tie.
The extended cable will have one ceiling pully to eliminate slack from the wall pully
The position you would want the cable to finally leave the head strap is an area where a person would wear a pony tail or feel the top of your skull and move towards the back there will be a spot the curves around into a divot at the start of that curve is where you need the cable to free from the equipment and into the pully system the angel will help with minimal conflict based on your proportions and the wall pully at eat level will be the range to let you spin a couple times slowing making the cable noticeable to guide you based on how much you spin
The pully holding the slack will need to be tight and have minimal slack for both sides this will give you a measurement of changing your rotation count and how strong or weak you can set the resistance to get the right feel without overly abusing to much at a time
more people need to watch this cus its a common problem with pullies
Caught me out which is why I thought it worth mentioning!
you make a hotglue sleeve around the cable where the bending occurs so it cannot get bent too much. in my setup if i turn too much it will start coiling up and i notice a tugging, then i just untwist and its fine. worked like that for a year (sweaty every day) but now my cable is dead despite no visible damage
gunna be moving to a new place here soon where im going to have a extra room to make into sorta gaming room or a media room and was thinking about adding a pully system to my vr headset, but thanks to your video i dont think im going to do that anymore. my index is outta warranty and i dont wanna have to replace something like that outta pocket.
i JUSt pooched my 2nd cable and now i just run a low pro HDMI cable in place of the old one. On my Vive....like hell i was going to pay 69.99 for a new cable when i can get 15ft hdmi for 18 shipped....works great and i no longer use the celing system....now im saving up for wireless
Thank you!
Interesting point. Saved me buying one haha. Cheers
No problem 👍
Im at the point where i dont own any vr stuff but i still enjoy theese videos tbh
I wonder why there isn`t allready a Wifi or faster then bluetooth attachable module to the VR Mask, transmitting the signals to a USB receiver at the PC for gaming, because cables disturb walking around in a room. In the civil sport drone piloting are headsets that transmitting multi K high resolution feedback from the drone cam miles away. Therefore should be possible for normal VR headsets too.
I just raise that question becaue they could apply that on the many VR masks without players disturbed by cables.
There is mate, HTC have had one out for a couple of years for the original Vive, but it's heavy, expensive and slightly laggy.
Bandwidth is the main problem, 2880×1600 @ 90hz and upwards with a low latency is very demanding, current mainstream Wifi is not fast enough and Bluetooth is not even in the same ball park.
Karl Gosling Thank you for the reply.
I used a fan to help with orientation
Very late to the party, but do you think curtain rings will work with the pulley system? Then the cable have more wiggle room to twist. Tnx for your informative videos!
No mate, all that would happen there is the cable will pull through when you go prone or bend down and then never pull back up.
I thought this would happen, I tend to just use the joystick when I wanna do complete turns, and try my best to check every 30 minutes if I'm twisting up
That's pretty much what I do mate!
I pretty much twisted my cable so much it broke
Thank you for the warning!
No worries!
Thx for the warning and the tips
No problem
Wow, thank you for your honestly, great video!
Glad it was helpful!
Oculus really needs to release an official wireless option (direct from PC to headset). Virtual Desktop has a bit too much latency, dedicated hardware would be much better.
This would be for the Quest devices, which I think is where things will be going. I don't expect Oculus to release another wired only headset.
Get a WiFi 6 router then you wouldn’t have that problem
FYI: Install heavy-duty fishing line double-swivels between the cable clip and cable reel clip, they will unwind the cable once tension is present!!!
Ooh this is a great tip thanks!
*edit* will it still allow the cord to twist at all while you're wearing the headset?
Well, just a word of warning - check to what countries they deliver spare parts. I bought it and was pretty annoyed that Czech republic isn´t on the list. And now I can´t even get spare one becuse even on Amazon there are no cables for sale! How durable are those things anyway? (Or NOT-durable)
Yeah you have not been able to buy a new cable for over a year now mate, Oculus stopped selling them shortly after releasing the Rift S.
They are pretty tough though.
@@KarlGosling Thank you for reply! Oh snap! That´s a bummer then :( Optical cables are probably quite expensive (even when there is probably just one string). Oh well, next time I will buy something wireless (but i will need 5Ghz wireless router to play from PC).
Cable from Rift S seems tough, but loves to tangle. I had to give it´s shape "O" how it came in package and taped it. Now I shouldn´t damage it with my stomping or so on. Oh well, but otherwise I´m very happy with it - it has great performance, reactive and it has no problems even when i play in near darkness, just in ambient light from monitor. I think those cables are one of the reasons they discontinued it. But probably during the lifetime of my Rift S they will come with more advanced models.
I´ve just noticed - deformities on the cable itself are normal? (it has those nicks).
After watching your video about is it worth buying oculus rift in 2020 i got one on ebay which had bundled with it a 3rd sensor 2 extra controls and a tp cast which makes it wireless just adds a little bit of weight due to battery pack
A very decent setup mate!
Hairdryer eh? I'll have to give that a go.
Good video man, thanks for the heads up I was thinking about getting a kiwi system but after watching this I may reconsider.
Just worth a thought mate.
Not a solution to the twisting issue but an idea that might save you money. Chop the cable at the back of the headset and strip the ends of each cable and screw them into a plug connecter, when you trash a cable you can unplug them from the headset and buy a reel of cable you can cut to legnth for a fraction of the cost of an official repair. A lot of headphone modders do this to help prolong their expensive wired headphones.
Unfortunately this is impossible mate, some of the wires are the diameter of a hair insulated... I tried! Lol
Thanks for the warning
No worries.
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Thanks so much for making this video. Uploaded. Subscribed.
I swear I have seen a piece of tech that can address this and allow us to spin while not allowing the wire to twist and not interfering with this process.... now to remember where I've seen it and then to hunt it up and see if I can apply it to this process.
(On the side, keep up with me, come chill with me and vrchat, in 2 months or so I will have the index and another month I will have shaken off of the noob by then,..
Then I will be in need of directions for activities.
Keeping up with me will also keep you dialed in if I discover a fix for this issue, which I probably will or I will conceptualize some tech of which will be poached and then applied if someone else didn't think of it already, which they probably did... Either way, it won't be long before we have this cable issue, when it's twisting, macgyvered as well.
On a fishing pole there's something called a spin reel. That prevents the line from twisting as it reels out in reels in. I swear I've seen this for other things besides a fishing pole and I am still hunting.
(If steam were to employ me, this would have already been invented and be part of the package... it's the sort of thing that never would Escape me during quality assurance testing processes but of course nobody wants to pay me for that sort of thing when they can get it for free from everyone's feedback. Again, absurd waste and trivializing...
Both of the likes of me and the majority who are enslaved through this quality assurance and user interface testing and feedback process. It's a new form of slavery that needs to be addressed on a global political level and an end to it must beyond our near horizon.)
That's funny, MY CABLE MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, IS A FISHING POLE! (When outaide, I clip into a long bendy fishing pole that lets me move around quite far. (I tend to turn using software anyways,..)
You & I ARE the bait,.. so many poles in the whatever...
Perceive paramount, poignantly profane perturbations, peaked pontifications,
playfully peppered pointing piss plainly,..
phishing, flows flexibly feeding factories feverishly.
When I go into VRchat and every online environment; I have ways of hooking ppl for an interesting convo or collaboration.
We are the sort that give all of these environments actual "value".
Without us, the platforms are merely limp rods missing baited hooks.
I recently got an Oculus but REFUSE to pay £90 for the cable.
I bought a 3rd party cable for £15. Same length, same everything and works fine. So if you damage the cable beyond repair from a pully system, it can be £15 replacement rather than the absurd £90 Oculus ask for.
While i do have a pulley for my VR I still hardly spin. So my cables have never been a problem. I've had PC VR for about 2 years now
Not spinning is of course the very best option! :) lol
@@KarlGosling yeah, I think I've got too many valuable/fragile things around I can break so I'm highly aware of where I am in my play space and so I dont spin as a result
You can match up the video preview on TH-cam with the thumbnail and it's so funny
There is an easy way to prevent the twist problems, set the pulleys after figuring it out. I have mine set around the ceiling, but the main rear retractors, I use 1 static, BUT, behind that mount is another that attaches in front that has 2 pulleys in series. What you get from that is the same retraction, but the initial point is a soft retraction that allows the cable less tension and the ability to turn and twist over a greater length.
The entire headset cable of mine is in the retraction cables. Years later, no issues...
Can u post a puc of ur setup please?
I didnt really understand it....
@@mackamotorsport2593 if you head to my user page SuperScumble, you'll find a breakdown of all parts used and links 👍
On my phone atm, so cannot link directly.
If you have a wire connected between the oculus and the first pulley you could relieve the tention of the cable by keeping the wire a bit shorter than the cable in that area
HOLY F***... you just saved me 30 bucks And an RMA call... I just learned to loop it in a caribeaner on your back loop... or a clip.. I don't know... i'll be alright..
actually, if you have like a rubber o-ring, or like me, I won some... C*** rings at a sex toy bingo that I never opened and completely forgot about, lol... loop your cable thru oring , and then put the Caribbeaner thru the ring, and it will limit wear on the cable as it will be resting on the rubber o-ring and not the aluminum Caribbeaner. hook it at your side and it works great!...
Hey thanks for the helpful info bro, appreciate it.
No problem 👍
I had a cable break due to this. Now i only use it while playing games where i need to.
What I do is if the game allows smooth turning is I move my head to the right or left and use the smooth turn to rotate and usually u can make it turn u faster
late but fpsVR has cable tangle management that dose work on everything played through steamVR
Great video! I've literally just come to the point where I felt that I've done enough VR-pulley-setup-research, to go ahead and buy one. Found a Top-10 of VR pulley setup's lol. That did it. And then just as I was putting the Kiwi pro in my Amazon basket, I stumbled upon this video.
Now I'm going to go ahead with this project anyway but I'll surely take your advice into account.
At the end of the day I'm sure I'll have fun setting up pulleys and levers, installing fans to my headset, putting mats on the floor etc. etc. - and then play a few games and then never use it again. It's fun to build the tree-house but once it's built, there's no fun in spending time there. On to the next project!
Just good to be aware of mate, have fun! lol :)
Man for competitive gaming turn signal is a no go , since you have no time to do that during competitive play
I got myself an oculus quest and the official link cable. Since it’s so flexible, I’m hoping that it won’t run into this problem, and I’m leaning towards that it won’t experience this. Thanks for the heads up though
Yeah hopefully not mate.
Yup, this is all very true. Now my headset is useless and worth pennies because the cheapest cable available is around £100. Who on earth can justify that when it's on it's way too just buying a new headset. Shame :(
My cable doesn't stretch out, and sticks together and that's really annoying. Do you know how to solve that?
I had a thought.. what about putting up the cable so that's it at the same hight of the chest ? You wouldn't get tangled with your feet and fall and also not twist it ...
Then your arms would get tangled as you use weapons.
Hello, it's a good video, I havent thought about this problem and I want to buy such a ceiling mount too. You said something about software which help, not to twist the cable too strong. Do you have any links from the developers??
Just need more pulleys I have about 12. Balanced well so it twists over a metre distance
12!! lol If it works it works! :)
@@KarlGosling I know it's over kill haha. You will always have a strain when 360ing the only way round it is to make it twist over a distance and never hold cable to hold hmd as in video. I think I seen the cable is only rated to hold 150g so will be straining cable. Unless you have like 12 pulleys lol then should be able to take more strain
Did exactly the same on my CV1 lol must have twisted 20 times over an hour in Arizona Sunrise. Miraculously still worked though
lol Very lucky mate!
Karl, thanks for this insightful video. May I ask for the names of those two rotation tracking software you mentioned?
Ones Cable Guardian and the other escapes me right now.
Hi Karl, had a thought about this, they make a male to female HDMI 360 degree rotational adaptor online which if fixed above you coupled with a retracting line pulley would to me totally fix this issue.....only one snag I can't for the life of me find a DP equivalent adaptor. Not sure why or if there's something about DP that makes it impossible to make it 360 but thought it was worth mentioning in case someone out there knows if one exists.
Well worth mentioning mate good shout!
@@KarlGosling Thanks, it occurred to me I'd seen them before ages ago. I guess it would work for the old CV1 setups. HDMI Cable might pull out possibly but you could glue or set each seperate side in resin to stop that easily.
the only solution I see to such case is that for preventing cable damage there should be a second metal wire attached to the main cable, which significantly lowers the amount of bending the headset cable can make. idk this was the first thing that came to my mind, maybe someone did it and proven it works or otherwise
There's no need for wires at all these days, since the Quest 2 we are wireless for PCVR.
These confirmed my worries, thank you. I am just getting used to the idea of kind of having a tail to just be conscious of and step over as I spin around. Seems to be okay and I can feel the tension build up over time as well so I don't need extra software.
OUCH! These wires are SUB MILLIMETER... Built up tension, enough to feel,? you are aready accumulating damage brother.
Did they ever release a fix for this?