Should You Start on a 600cc Motorcycle? || 5 Pros and 5 Cons of Starting on a Supersport Motorcycle
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- In today's video I will discuss 5 pros and 5 cons of starting on a 600cc supersport motorcycle. While riding my brother's 2018 R6, I will cover all of the benefits and downfalls of buying a supersport as a first bike. It can be confusing to enter the world of bikes as a beginner rider and hopefully this video can help sort out some questions you may have. If you enjoyed the video or found it helpful, be sure to leave a like and subscribe for more similar content. As always, I answer all comments to leave them below!
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A guy that I’ve known for a few years convinced me to start on a 600 and I’m so glad he did and the biggest thing he said to me when I was looking for a bike was “just about everyone can start on a 600 and finish on a 600, those who can’t don’t know how to control themselves, just because the power is there doesn’t mean you HAVE to use it”
This is the thing.🙂
Words to live by
I agree with that statement, I think if you're truly dedicated to riding a sporty motorcycle and have self control it can be a good thing. On the flip though some people get into riding and don't truly understand the power that you'll get out of a 600. They just have friends who ride 600s and don't understand the potential of them before they start
What if you start lower just to become a better and faster rider?
@@sambeezy007 I mean you can do that but you def won’t be a “faster” rider. Everyone learns and grows at different paces but me personally I wouldn’t let any of my friends get anything smaller than a 600 cuz I started on a 600 and kept the mentality that if others can do it then so can I and i have been completely fine
You should start with a turbo busa. Hands down the best beginner bike
Your comment has a YammieNoob recommendation video below it on my phone, lol
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"With great power, comes great responsibility" Uncle Ben
Unc is referring to cooking rice in a 1000w plus microwave
I think people who struggled through a motorcycle safety course or aren't yet confident should start with a small displacement bike. Self-control is also key when riding medium to large displacement bikes
The best part about this video is that he hammers on personal responsibility. Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
Exact
I bought my first bike in my thirties. I was really looking for a reason to buy a 600. The two reasons I didn't is insurance, but more importantly the ergonomics. I sat down on some 600s and was honest with myself that the learning curve would not be ideal. Glad I started on a MT07. I encourage you to do your research, sit on a lot of bikes and "ride your own bike". Will look at upgrading at some point in the future.
Couldn’t have said it better ✌️
It's not about personally responsibility, it's about a noob sneezing, twisting his wrist by accident, and yeeting himself into oblivion cuz he's on a big bike.
There's no such as a “beginner” bike. Sometimes you need extra power to get out of certain situations. I started on 600, and I'm glad that I did.
The highway commute is a very good example of how a 600 can save you better than a 300 can when needing to maneuver a dangerous setting
Robbery demands high cc
@@jacobclement7707 it just depends. On the highway you simply have to put yourself in good defensive positions and always have an escape route and think ahead. I’ve ridden my first bike (14’ ninja 300) all over the freeways around Los Angeles and even taken it down to Mexico and back in the rain. But if you aren’t in a good position you will have to use power to get into a better one
You're right just get a hayabusa a ride your life on
@@neburg6685 do you still ride that bike?
I started on a 2001 Suzuki SV650 and it was honestly perfect. It was super timid in the low RPMs so it didn't scare me off, but once I got comfortable after a couple of months I started opening it up and having fun. However, I definitely understand the argument against starting on a 650. To each their own!
I think a 650 is the best class for a beginner by far. It has power to grow into but not too much. An sv650 is around 75hp where a bike like the r6 is 115. Add to that the way the power builds and it’s a massive difference. The mt07/sv650/ninja 650 are my go to recommendations for “bigger” first bikes. 🤟
@@JonesBrosGaragehello I’m a noob and don’t know anything, I thought more cc means more speed bow does a more cc has less hp than the less cc…down tuned..?
Started with a GS500 then SV650. 👍🏽
Dude I freakin love you, I’m looking into getting my first bike and you really changed my entire perspective. 🤞🏾 thank you so much man. I am an adrenaline junkie so I was gonna just get a super sport and learn the ropes. But you’re right that WOULD give me less to look forward to. So thank you for that 👏🏾 safe riding brother I’ll be on 2 wheels shortly 🤝
I thought I made a mistake when I got a 400 but a week later, I crashed and got humbled real quick 😂
Definitely a good example! It happens to the best of us, let alone a beginner. I remember when my brother started on his Ninja 400 he accidently dropped it in the parking lot.. Such a face palm moment. Would be such a shame to see a pretty new sport bike all scratched up from such stupid beginner mistakes. Smart choice though and I hope you stick with the hobby 👍
@@JonesBrosGarage years ago (around 2006), i was following a discussion in a blog, about some advice on the first sport bike to buy.
Some users recommended a 600 (like CBR or R6).. others said "1000cc is a better choice because you have instant power so you don't feel the need to accelerate too much".
Totally crazy
@@iehen it's actually funny. I'd say hilarious if it didn't lead to people getting hurt. Unfortunately I hear discussions like this all the time! It's so mind blowing to me
Shouldve got a 1000 and that wouldn't have happened
@@iehen crazy enough I feel that way when I ride 1000s, my buddy loaned me his bmw s1000rr for a week and I felt like I was on such a rocket with instant power that I didn’t even wanna speed I just preferred cruising around knowing in my head I could take off in a sec like a bat of out hell... Crazy how the mind works haha I use to jump on my 600 and pin it non stop 🤷♂️
I started on a 600 as a first bike. Respect the bike, take the MSF, and take your time learning and you will be just fine.
What’s MSF mean? Sorry I’m kinda dumb
@@charlieterrell8501 motorcycle safety foundation aka basic rider course
@@BostonFanatic617 ahhh ty
@@charlieterrell8501 no worries Motorcycle Safety Foundation. It's the basic rider course to gt your endorsement
Broo my name is Nehemiah too
lol its a very rare name
I really like your grip on responsibility and realism. I gotta yfz r3 and quick realized that after have it fall one time a 600 may have been a bit much. U also made a wonderful point as if I would've gotten a 600, I would have missed out on learning the fundamentals of riding as well as nothing to really look forward to in my riding career. I appreciate u making this video and sharing your experiences!
Yo Man! I can't tell you enough how informative this video was. I'm just starting to look into getting my first bike and happened to click on this video. I love how you talked about the pros and cons equally. Thank you so much man. Totally impacted my future decision and provided a ton of clarity. Thanks bro!
Personally I think If your starting on a 600 you need to have the most respect and fear for it at the same time, if you don't then you need to start on something slower as you don't really understand how dangerous it really is
I did have respect and fear for it. That’s whyi started on a 300😂
Y’all can get a 600, just babie it for a couple months until your confident enough to use some of that power
Exactly. respect the power, go slow, use your head and youl figure out that going full throttle in traffic is a bad idea if you want to keep your bike and your life
@A H First car i ever drove was a scat pack. I didnt die, I didnt wreck. Know why? Im not retarded. I dont need to know every inch and mechanic of a bike or car like a mOtO gP rIdEr because im not a fucking professional racer
@A H "not willing to learn" you cant read, can you?
@A H I got my Kawasaki Zx6r 1 month ago and am riding just fine, I use it everyday on streets highways and sometimes intestate, it’s about control, nobody it’s tryna prove anything buddy.
There’s just people with different options and situations.
Me for example, I wish I could have the chance to start on a low cc, but because of my situation I just can’t take 1 or 2 years to learn, I used the options that I had at the moment, and it worked out pretty well.
@@kyzerBC Exactly, it’s literally common sense.
Loved the video, lots of insight, information and opinions from an experienced rider, i already ride but i still think the video was interesting and informative for anyone looking to get a bike or start out
So perfectly tackled cons about throttle handling, weight, turns convinced me to stay within 400cc for a first bike. One of the best videos for newbies wandering for their first bike to watch!
I want to start on a 600 not because I wanna go fast right away or anything like that.. I want to start on a 600 bc I don't want to have to upgrade after I get used to it. I think you made a great point in this video when you said it would take a season or two to get used to it first then another two to know its limits and be able to push it to those limits. That's how I see it anyways.
I agree with you! That's why I want a 600 too, I know I'll have power but I don't want to and I won't use it. Just because I have it doesn't mean I'm obligated to use it. And plus....it looks fucking awesome lmao. I definitely wanna be a responsible driver and not die in the process, I know how to control myself and I know my limit :)
I disagree you should buy a 1k obviously.. I started on an 1100.. was 1991 Hurricane so it was slower than today's 400s but was heavy and planted on the road. I also think SIZE comes into play. If you are 6'6" you might just NEED a 1k. My 2c
@@giannacarbajal7003 and then theres me... within a week of getting my license (in a car) i had gone 120 on the highway and 90 down a back road that a lot of my friends speed on...
@@giannacarbajal7003 buy the whole speedometer- use the whole speedometer (at least once ;))
Batman has no limits
I started on a r6 as well and definitely feel like its fast for a beginner bike but with alot of seat time you get the hang of it in like a month
Yeah that’s exactly why I grabbed the R1
@@allgasnobrakes919 Be careful
@Kno Xs not the older models
kinda late but upside to the r6 is theres not rlly much power until your super high into the rpm so you can ease your way in and also you wont have too much power where you dont need aka the city
You are right to a degree. I find it better for somebody to start out on a 300 and really get the feel of how a bike feeds back to you through an entire RPM range. Learn to get comfortable and thrash a 300. Then get a 600. Then, on that 600 you'll be faster than some guys on 1000s...
Very good video ! You have a very mature assessment of motorcycling and a balanced approach to advice. Awesome job, and keep up the great work, man !
Excellent video! I was convinced for years that I was going to start with a 600. You were the first to convince me to get my fundamentals and technical riding abilities on point with something more forgiving. Thanks!
What bike did you end up getting?
As a beginner who rides on the highway, an R3 is plenty for me. It doesn't feel cheap, it can handle highway speeds just fine, and I wouldn't feel like shit if I dropped it because of how cheap it is. It is also nice to have more of a neutral seated position. Personally, I love driving a 300, it's just really fun to ride a slow bike fast.
R3 is not enough on the highway what are you on
How about for a scawny guy like me, is 300cc enough?
@@jauxed 300 is plenty. However, I would recommend sitting on various bikes and see which one feels most comfortable. An MT-03 will feel completely different than an R3. I fit on the R3 but not so much on the MT-03, for example.
I guess I'll try 'em all as a test ride. Thank you.
@@M16xDr0pSh0tz bro you going 100? I can cruise going 70-80 just fine and I'm not pinning it. Guessing you haven't had an R3?
Everything he says makes sense & all from real personal experience. The case for progression from the smaller beginner bike to faster bigger bikes makes compelling sense. Excellent vid.
All facts!! It was so easy for me to say I'll just be responsible and stay below or at the speed limit. And then the adrenaline kicked in when I looked around and felt good, weather was perfect, and every temptation was setting in. I bought an 03 cbr because I wanted to prove that you can start on a 600cc and the other half was because I wanted attention. All that went away once I found myself in a parking lot practicing, and feeling so intimidated. I felt irresponsible, and almost embarrassed that I talked the talked but couldn't walk the walk. Had it for 3 months, then crashed it. I lean on the side of riding smaller bikes first and graduating, simply for the fact that you gain the confidence as you learn. Love the video!
I like the way you do this blog, you explained it so well without crushing on anybody’s ego
I appreciate the feedback! I try to give people non-biased facts in addition to my own opinion. I know people who started on 600s and did fine, so I can’t tell my audience it’s not possible. It’s not what I recommend or would do.. but you definitely can do it if you prefer.
Really good pros and cons! I currently have an R3 and I'm very happy with my bike. A lot of riders I meet tell me to get a R600 because I can keep up with 1000's but I know for a fact it's very easy to get caught up in having more power and at the end of the day it's all about enjoying the ride..
The R3 is a great little motorcycle. And I truely feel after riding as many years as I have, those people that tell someone to go out and get a 600 or any supersport just so you can "keep up with the liter bikes" are generally the ones that can only go fast in a straight line and aren't that great of a rider. Sometimes, the smaller motorcycles are more fun. Light as hell, nimble and fast into and out of the corners and you can really hone your skills and become an excellent rider on a smaller bike.
Don’t listen to any rider who tells you that you need to upgrade just to keep up with anyone. That’s nonsense, the R3 is a great bike. Enjoy for as long as you need and upgrade only if you want to later on.
I’m on a 155cc and want the R3 so bad. Great sound for me.
i’m about to invest in an r3, i’m excited ☺️
Excellent advice. Brought up things a novice rider would not know about to consider. Thanks very much for a very well balanced presentation. That sounded nerdy but I learned a lot!
I used to be totally against someone starting out and learning on a 600. I got over that but I still don't think its the "best" motorcycle to learn on just because of how much trouble an inexperienced rider can get into. The power comes on very fast in the high rpms and its very easy to get stupid on one. I started off with a clapped out 80s honda 400. I rode that for a few years before moving up to a 750 Kawasaki and then a zx6r. And even after all those years, the z6xr still suprised and scared the shit out of me the first time I took it past 14k rpms. I'm a bit older now and found my perfect motorcycle to be the Street Triple 765. Long story short, start on what you're comfortable with, but be careful and use common sense! Stay safe out there.
1000rr starter bike
great advice man going to buy my first 400 was looking at the 600 because i didnt want to outgrow the 400 too quick but im on a budget so your price advise has made me choose the 400
I’m currently in between what to go for & this video provided a good amount of clarity. Appreciate it fr.
Honestly, this video just made me want a 600 lol
Just bought a z650 for first bike because of this video 😂
Same
probably all dead by now...
@@MrMethadrine lmaooo
@@MrMethadrine 😭😭😭
I really appreciate the advice man. I have been wanting a bike for years now, and finally I am in a position where I can save up to buy one, and will take your points into consideration.
This is such a great video to refer to a new rider to watch.. or anyone for that matter.
Thank bud.
Amazing video. You didnt waste any time and just speak out facts that us beginners really need to hear and understand. Thank tou for this video friend and wish you the best
Getting my full licence in 3 months I’ve watched over 3000 videos about rpm throttle gears ect and not one has been as perfect as this video , you’ve nailed it on specification dude your video is perfection keep it up
how’s it been goin?
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@@turkishman4202 its not a drivers license its a motorcycle license C:
@@daltonyoung7146 nothing too see here, dont know what your talking about ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Very informative video for first riders on a 600. It definitely comes down to being restrictive and respecting the bike. Do NOT test its limits as a new rider, as it can be the last. I hope ppl can take this into consideration.
Good video, I am currently booked for my test. Been a long long dream to have a R6 like you said maybe not the best move but only bike I've wanted really. I'm nearly 40 and I do appreciate the power of these and will respect it.
I really appreciate your words of wisdom. I want to get a 600 for my first bike but I agree that it's a lot of power. I think I still will but I'm going to be doing a lot of practicing off the highway.
I started on a 600 and said the same thing. Within 2 hours I was on the highway. Every rider is different but if you respect the throttle a 600 is a great bike that you can keep for a long time.
I started on a Yamaha R3 I rode that 2 half years straight it taught me everything I needed to know. When I got my GSXR it was natural and I didn’t have to “learn” how to ride a 600 I just got on it and rode because I already had a foundation built with the 300. I ride the 600, the 600 doesn’t ride me.
That’s the advantage with a 300cc a lot people bitch about 300cc it’s smaller, slower BUT you learn a lot better, build confidence, knowledge and control to ride bigger bikes.
It’s also a lot more forgiving if you make a mistake on the 300 vs the 600 I always urge people to start on a smaller bike for safety the power curb is smaller so you can’t go crazy with the throttle like a 600. Also why I don’t recommend 600+ bikes when you’re starting is because if you don’t have the experience built to know how to react you will crash. A 600 has more power and you must know how to react to a situation that puts you in danger on the rode with a bigger bike. That is why I recommend the 300 it’s teaches you this and more while not too crazy on the power were you can focus on LEARNING and not worrying how fast you can go or trying to look cool and impress chicks. All that stuff come later when you’ve learned how to ride, got you foundation, principles and earned your experience. Then you can worry about how fast and safely you can go.
Btw I still have my R3 and still ride it to work.
Same but started on a 650 ninja. By the time I moved up, (3 months later) I just knew what to do
Same boat as you! Peep my R3 in my display pic haha but i started on R3 and glad i did made me more confident and understand riding in a safe manner, I plan to get a gsxr 750 next year or possibly R6 depending but definitely starting on a 300cc at least. Csn give you the time to FOCUS AND LEARN we’ll respecting the Bike!
Interesting to look at this from the other end .
As an old biker just bought what will be my last bike .
you might’ve saved my life i was just thinking of getting a 600 for my first bike but have been riding dirt bikes my whole life and this video definitely changed my view on getting a 600
Always owned 600s myself, and once you get experience, you realize the 600s are probably the funnest bikes to own, as you can just flick & rev them into corners so hard and have a fairly smooth experience throughout the entirety of it. As I'm older now though, I've kind of toned down my aggressive riding...and this is going to honestly sound completely backwards, but I just bought my first 1000 and did so with the intentional purpose of actually riding slower. I've ridden plenty of 1000s even though I never owned one before now, and one thing I learned real quick is you can't flick them around in corners nearly as aggressively. You really gotta learn some self-control with them. They're also geared so much better for not revving to the moon on highway rides, and have better longevity if you're not riding it like a track bike. I'm also a shorter guy being 5'7" and I've always felt like the 1000s I've ridden actually sat a bit lower to the ground and had more comfortable ergos/seats/etc. If I had more time & money I'd probably own both, 1000 for street and 600 for track but I just don't have that option so 1000s for me now
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i started on a 750 gixxer. i truly believe that its up to the rider and self control on the throttle. tbh i was scared of the power it did have but i soon realized i controled the throttle, i didnt have to drive fast YET. so i didnt. i learned the bike, i rode it safely and not fast because i wasnt comfortable. until i got a little more comfortable i started increasing my speed. before i knew it i was more confident but im always cautious. but i can agree a lot of people need to start on a 300 or 400 because some people just dont have that control.
Very good video and you touched on many topics that are true to life when it comes to beginners and sport bikes. I've been around long enough to see first hand the negative results of young people getting in over their heads, I even did it riding my 600RR Honda that led to a near fatal crash. I was always a Ducati rider, but decided on getting a 600 to train with to get my racer's license. I had a couple of good club racers mentoring me, but despite that, I shouldn't have been riding like I was the day of the accident and should have taken that to the track instead. I was used to V twin torque and power, not used to the rocket ship performance of the 600 after 7K RPMs. In no time the next tight curve is on you. As you alluded to, much of the issues that get riders in trouble are their own personalities. If they are mature and understand common sense rules, then it doesn't matter what size bike you are riding, but if their ego gets caught up showing off and riding over your limits then it won't be long before trouble comes knocking.
Good advice for any beginner bike rider.
I had zero riding experience and started on a Triumph Street Triple -so far so good and such a fun bike to ride-power when you need it, yet nimble when going for those turns and bends. Yes it has been a steep learning curve at first but even just putting in some weekends on my bike it hasn’t taken that much time to catch on. Exercising some restraint doesn’t mean you will be missing out on anything either-you get to keep riding, building your skills and there will always be those opportunities to really open that throttle. What I recommend is taking a MSF course, that helped me tremendously.
You have good points I was stuck in my head to start with a 600 but after this video ima start on a 400cc to have a good experience upgrading
dude you made a simple video about something thousands of riders have made before and you really dug it deep into peoples souls in a great was. you made it actually heart warming to start small. I kind of regret now getting a GSXR 750 as my first bike now man. but not rlly in a bad way. u earned a subscriber bro. keep making videos man your energy and passion is going to really accel your youtube career. You'll reach those youtube mile stones b4 u know it bro. great video.
7:29 That’s a dry ass cough my dude. That’s a punishable offense by death nowadays. Be safe ✌️
I've honestly watched too many videos about this topic. I'm a new rider on a 250cc dual sport and only one season under my belt. I have been looking to upgrade, so I've been researching a lot about this topic. Something about your video, though, has convinced me to go for the mto3 instead of the mt07 in spring. No other video, despite saying similar things, has led me to this conclusion. I just wanted to say thank you because you never know, maybe you saved my life with this one. Thank you, sir! New subscriber!
Lol.. I dont even started my driving school and i have already MT-07 in a garage.. But i have got a huge respect to it and i will ride it after i try a bigger bike in a driving school first.
By far the best video i've seen on the topic, you mentioned just about everything
I appreciate the feedback! 👍
Enjoyed your video. One "con" that you didn't mention (or I missed it) was the overall weight of the bike. While it may not be as big of an issue with a cruiser with its lower center of gravity, it's definitely a factor with other types making them feel more top heavy. As a very late-in-life beginning rider, I bought a used '04 Yamaha FZ6 for under $3k. I would have preferred something in the lower cc range and more of a cruiser style, but the inventory in my region of a good used bikes is poor, so when this sport touring bike popped up I grabbed it. The most intimidating thing for me was the bike's weight. It's definitely a jump up from the 250cc dual sport that I rode in the MSF class. After a few weeks of making the short commute to/from work, I got used to it and actually appreciate the extra pounds on the freeway. The weight of a larger cc bike is also a "con" when you're trying to get it upright after dropping it. Not too bad if it has side bags propping it up, but quite a challenge when it's flat on its side. Found that out after I accidentally pushed my bike off its kickstand. Thank God I was in my driveway with helpers in the house.
So true the weight is definitely a curve
My first bike.. 2012 gsxr 600 .. rode it on B mode until i got comfortable which really helped alot!
Great video listened to every word. I was 18y old and was on a litter CBR 200+. Young and dumb. Haven't rode since I was 19. Now 42 and wiser not as bold. Great video man. Be safe riders.
Your brothers bike is gorgeous man!!
Technology-wise I would certainly say the traction control in abs are absolutely safety features to consider
I started on a FZ6R last week, never rode before besides the street 500 i rode in my msf course 6 months ago. Been super easy to learn on and I've gotten super comfortable with it
That’s awesome! The fz6r is a pretty good bike to start out on! 👍
Love the vid man I always wanted a bike and I thought about getting a 600 when I get older and you really gave info and everything about the bike and I really appreciate
I appreciate the feedback! I wanted a bike for years and stopped by shops constantly as a teen until I was old enough to get one on my own without getting kicked out of my house lol. It’s worth it. Check out the mt07 and ninja 650!
This is the best video I've seen yet. I'm looking at getting my first bike and I was torn between the ninja 650 or the ninja zx6r. I think I'm dead set on the 650 now thanks to this video. I appreciate all the info on it, everyone told me not to start on the 6r but the way you put it out there made up my mind
I appreciate the feedback! Honestly I had a ninja 650 and I LOVED that bike. I’m sure part of it is nostalgia because it was one of my first bikes.. but there’s just something about it. It’s the perfect amount of power for the street. It’s manageable for a new rider and easy for an experienced rider to push hard. I miss it all the time. I kept hearing how fast 600cc bikes were and eventually sold it to find out for myself. Ultimately everyone was right, 600s like the zx6r are a shock after riding a 650. But after the shock and excitement wears off, you’re left with a bike that’s honestly probably not as fun as the 650. I never felt my 650 was “slow” and still to this day don’t. You’ll love it 👍
I'm one of those guys dead set on a 600. The zx6r to be exact. I've seen every single video online about the topic and the bike itself. I just love watching videos and I've seen damn near every single one of them. Nothing will stray me from starting on my dream bike
Same I just plan on watching more videos to see if I truly want it
That’s unfortunate, your skills will suffer because of it.
I'm glad I started on a 200cc. Got into an accident twice, learned so much, upgraded on a 400cc, respect the power gap, have no crashed so far and hopefully not, still a week old from a 400cc, gonna take my time, a year before I graduate to 600cc which is my dream bike, Yamaha R6. Your right but there are people out there that one to jump into the big bikes right away. They got that Tony stark mentality of " you run before you can walk"
This video has been out awhile now but, I have started on an R3 as a beginner rider. I am glad that i started here as i have been able to perfect the the fundamentals. The other big one that you hit on is the insurance. To go from R3 to R6 was almost x3 the cost for insurance and honestly its not worth throwing money away. Also this gives me something to look forward to when i do upgrade.
Great video!
Started last season on a CBR300 knowing I wanted to upgrade to a 600 and I rode the hell out of that thing. I really felt like I was able to push the bike to its limits. Sold that bike about a month ago (for a profit actually) and got myself an R6 about a week ago.... First Impressions: Sexy, loud, and STUPID FAST. Really glad I waited at least a season for a 600 and now I'm getting those butterflies all over again. Great Video!
The bad downshifts hurt my soul, I think my bike felt them lmfao. Good video but good lord, those down shifts aren't actually doing what they're supposed to do which is take stress off the clutch and I think you just created more lol.
why tf is he revving that hard while downshifting
@@john_prick Bruh no idea lol, I can only think because it's not his bike so he's not used to blipping the throttle on it and the RPM's being able to jump so high that quickly
I have a difficult time downshifting smoothly. Can someone help me better understand it? Seems like you too are in agreement that the video isnt how to do it.. can you tell me how it supposed to be?
@@renay21992 as you downshift, you should “blip the throttle” which means to snap the throttle a little bit and give it gas just as your downshifting so you rev match to the correct gear
I have been riding for a couple months and this guy seems newer than me...
Bro your commentary and advice as a rider probably saved my life. I’m itching for adrenaline but have zero experience as a rider. I didn’t think I would but I watched the entire video and heard everything you said. I think I’ll start on a 400 now. Thank you
same boat here man. I've been really wanting a bike and I tend to be pretty responsible and safe with driving, so I thought a 600 would be fine and it saves me from having to upgrade. but when he was mentioning that if you are the type that you wanna start on a 600, you probably won't be safe on one, and it really resonated with me. I started to think back on the times I've gotten that itch to go fast and started thinking about how all it takes is you pulling that throttle a little too hard one time on a 600cc and bam, you're hurt bad. He really managed to convince me not to get a 600cc and I wasn't even in the cons yet. 400cc here i come!
Yep, I'm also about to get a 400 (Kawasaki Ninja) just to start out. Cheaper, I think $5000 vs $9000 for a 650. Still fast, low hundreds MPH. Better gas mileage too, from 40-ish miles per gallon to 60-ish mpg.
Same was about to get a 600 in few days
@@kingdavey90 you getting new or used? I’m looking at the same bike
@@dilly2023 brand new, 2023, "dark gray/twilight blue"
I have my first Ninja 300, and honestly, I'm happy with it l, until I'm super comfortable. It's like getting your first car; don't live beyond your means, financially and comfortably. Thank you for your video, and I hope people take your advice!!!!!
Man the riding paths you have look so much fun, here in LA it’s rare you that much space and car free zones
I started on a Ninja 650R being a big guy, and I kinda regret not getting a 600 instead. Not only the riding triangle of the footpeg, handlebar, seat, etc but also the suspension is super soft on the 650. Although I've adjusted the preload all the way to the maximum, it still rides like a truck (and acceleration too). I could've just ridden in my truck with AC fully blasted when I sit in the daily traffic. I recently bought a 700 again in neo-cafe style, 5 years after selling my ninja.
Great Video! got my license in 2020 september, bought a YZF R6 has a first bike! Love it :)
@@IlbryenVT all good! Love my bike. Can’t wait for the season to start here in Norway
@@silverfox9875 keep safe brother.
Please brother be safe out there.
@@mikesan111 thanks brother
Watching from London UK. a very insightful video bro 😊
All these things when he is talking about slower speeds and speed inertia are spot on. I started on an R7 and my third time out after the MSF and practicing the first two times in an unfinished development area, equipped with sharp turns and stop signs, I made a right hand turn on a normal street from a stop sign and laid down the bike because I stalled mid turn. It was very hard for me at first and still is a little difficult at times at 400 miles of riding when I am in heavy traffic and downtown areas with a lot of stops because of the slower speeds. I have learned much in a short time about feathering the clutch and have gotten much better at it, but still have those awkward moments that remind me of my lack of experience. The difference is that instead of trying to slow down and make the awkward situation worse, I give it more throttle and power through it, which straightens the bike out.
Another thing he mentions, it doesn't take much throttle for the bike to lunge forward. Feeling more confident, I've started beginning from second gear, but the other day I stalled the bike during the afternoon lunch rush. The cars in front of me were gaining distance, so I quickly started it up and being frustrated and wanting to catch up, I gave it too much throttle, and the front wheel came off the ground a little. I was happy with my mini wheelie, but it reminded me again to mind my lack of skill and not to relax too much just because I haven't made certain mistakes in awhile.
Just found your channel... keep up the good work...
I appreciate it!
Your last con is what I usually lead with when someone considers a 600 for their first bike. The power and torque at high rpms is highly underrated. I know quit a few people who got 600s as their first bike and simple mistakes over correcting at higher rpms caused a accident and scarred them from wanting to continue riding. When I got my RX6-rr I was more than content. I’ve chin checked a few guys who had bigger bikes a few times. They had big talk when it came to quarter mile challenges. But they were kinda quiet when I would mention a eight mile. I eventually moved up to a ZX10. And that took me to a whole new level. But all in all.”“IF YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE”” a 600cc class superbike will be all that you need for a long time. But one con you didn’t mention is with taller riders. I’m 6ft, 215lbs. And I think I’m at that threshold. Cause after riding for a while I do look for those breaks where I get the chance to stretch my legs. So that would be something for them to consider when purchasing a smaller super sport motorcycle.
Me at 6'7'' wanting a street bike so hard lmao
Gotta look for something bigger, but I rode dirtbike for about 15 years so I don't think I'd qualify as a total beginner
@@derpimussbro I’m 6’7 and rode a gxsr 600 today first time ever on a bike. The power is definitely terrifying but I don’t look too crazy on it
I just bought a R6 as a new street bike guy. I am really enjoying it, but have much respect for it. Lots of learning before I venture out into high speeds
You are very good explaining the risks you are very responsible as I hear you . You have a lot of experience. And you got me thinking about getting more experience before get a 6h . Thanks
No problem! Check out the r7/ninja 650/mt07/sv650!
I appreciate this video. My first bike was a gsxr 750 because I just looked for a sports bike at a deal and this was one that was on its way to the grave. Two years later it broke and this is two years after that and I'm looking at getting a bike again. You're right, I rode my 750 and immediately my friends 500s didn't feel as fun because of the lack of power. I was wondering if I should go back and get a 400 to really nail all the basics down before I get a 600 (750 is completely unnecessary haha) or if I'd even got the opportunity to get a 600 if I already committed to a 400. This video gave me a lot of insite, thank you!
What did u choose ? I got gxsr 750 1998 and still havent ridden it kinda scared tbh
@@nikolanojic6861 you ridden it yet?
i started on a 2019 r6 and on a track i recommend it a lot i learned how to fall off bikes at all speeds learned how to rev match and the whole 9 i definitely think a 600 is a good start as long as you aren’t scared of the bike(it’s also good to be scared of the bike)
A lot of really good points and perspectives. I’m gunna try to get a bike today so this helps a lot!
Good luck! Let me know how it goes! Ride safe and have fun 🤟
Ive started on a gsxr-750. Not the smartest decision but oh well. I love my baby!
Stay safe !
All about common sense. You'll be fine.
I'm a complete new rider wanting my first bike. My only experience on 2 wheels have been 125cc scooters up until now. I plan to undertake a full biking course with professional riders to help me learn the ropes. After that, I am considering a 600, but your points have been well noted. Great, great video and food for thought.
I appreciate it! Id definitely recommend taking a course I took the MSF when I first started (USA) and I learned alot
Well done sir. Excellent advice. Thank you.
Thank you man! You saved me from some mistakes😅
Verry good and helpfull video.
I learned on a Vmax 1200 (130hp)
Then bought a CBR600 and miss the Vmax. Back to the Vmax I go.
My first bike was a 600 keep in mind I never rode a bike before and only watched videos but as soon as I hoped on it my body took full control,was very light on the throttle for the first week or two getting the handing down in first gear is a must 😅
Would you recommend doing it?
I’m gettin a 636 for my first and never rode before, any tips?
I just did the same got my bike 2 days ago
@@fyb3x890 how’d that turn out? I’m thinking of going the same
@@smoothassociate485 cool got mine a few days ago to, starting on a 600 keeping it safe.
Great video! Thank you for sharing! Keep posting
Thank you!
Got my endorsement recently. Dude in the class started on a 1kL w/ Nos and got busted by local PD and had to take the class to avoid more trouble. I cant even imagine going that big. Started driving and racing on a Hyundai Accent now have an STi. All the points you dropped were the same. The biggest fear I see even in cars is cornering and braking. Ive left people behind in my little under powered car so many times. My only issue in getting into bikes is finding something sporty but my size about 6'. Hoping a naked will work maybe a KTM to grow on and start the process and translate rev matching and braking and such. Same same but different. Its not a race unless at the track. Even then smooth and steady usually the way to go. Thanks for the tips and reviews! Love the R6s and the Panagales are gorgeous!
Great Talk! I like how in depth you got. I was set on starting with a 600 but now you convinced me to go with 300.
Decent statement mate, you have basically said everything that might relate a beginner rider. I personally started with a 07 R6 and did 200+ on the fourth day(I m alive and healthy now), which is still a kinda regret.
Btw, I also have an EVO 9 and a subaru STI GVF, so instagram followed.
Cheers mate, best of luck.
Shoot, I have an evo 8 aswell and I’ve been wanting a bike for a while. This video gave me a lot of knowledge and actually convinced me to start on a slower / and more comfortable bike.
Awesome video man! Lots of good information
Thanks for the video man! Hoping to start on a ninja 650 soon!
I started on a 600 back in the day and you do bring up some good points especially if your a younger rider. I stopped riding for 15 years and this past summer I got a 2015 Gsxr 600 and it definitely was better than getting a liter bike. But on the Gsxr 600 you have A and B mode so I started riding in B mode since it’s more forgiving on the throttle. A lot of the newer bikes have so many driver aids that you really don’t get to experience a bike where you need to learn everything. But I don’t agree with the bashing of the 600’s and you can get a 750 instead of liter bike. I took out a ninja 650 about a month after and it was comfortable but got boring really quick. I also think your forgetting that if you ride in a lower mode on a 600 or a 636 it lets you build up to the full power. It also depends on your skill and confidence. If you aren’t confident and know nothing about bikes than a 600 may be too much but it really depends on the riders size and weight. I’m happy I started on a 600 tho and I love it. It’s just like owning a gun you need to respect the bike or it will kill you
So, which do you suggest of the Ninja’s? I’ve been looking at the 25R screamer, the 650 and the 636. I’ve pretty much decided the 400 is probably not the way to go.
yeah, but why buy a bike if you can't handle it in its most extreme mode? seems like an even better reason to just start small. I'm not talking specifically about your case but in the case of a new rider, the modes are there so veteran riders can ride more comfortably not so beginner riders can tone the bike down.
@@GeorgeLista Honda CBR650R blows the Ninja 650 away.
Bought my first bike today GSXR 600 I can’t wait to get to practice
Lmao how was it
I’m really enjoying it
How's it going still?
how’d it go
@@squidwarddeep5064 It's great man I love this bike.
Dude your information has been super helpful I'm planning on getting a R6 for the summer and using it as a daily... I'll be a beginner of course but I've signed up for some lessons on a smaller bike
The lessons are a super smart idea. What year R6? They’re an absolute blast. Just have self control and you’ll grow into it nicely. 👍
Any fallow up if you’ve purchased it yet? I’m currently shopping around for an R6 as well, used model 06-10, but I’ve ridden dirt bikes since I was young. Give me an update man thanks. Let’s all ride safe!
Loved the video man, you made some great points.
Thank you!
I started on a gsx600f katana 600cc, I am glad I did. As a beginner the first few weeks I never got on the highway and worked up to 6th gear in a month. If you get a 600 as a beginner its simple ride your ride don't go showing off.
Can agree that this is a good bike. It's like a GSXR, but heavy and better for long distance trips.
In my opinion don’t listen to what people say go off your mind set
I want to start riding again. Thinking of a 1,000. I used to ride a 125 in the past and I think it's time to graduate.
@@chanhyun4412 holyyyyy dude
@@chanhyun4412 that’s just idiotic
Love the video. Never ridden a bike till a month ago. Went through the course and picked up a used '22 ninja 650 cheap. Went for my first real ride Friday with no destination without care in the world then realized I'd been gone for 5hrs😝. Will upgrade to a 636 in not so near future
This video was great I'm 14 and I've been trying to find a good bike for when I'm 16-17 and this covered all my questions/concerns great video
I bought an r1 as my first bike…absolutely love it!!
Have you rode prior to that?
Ridden dirt bikes my whole life and that’s it
I started on a KTM Duke 200 but 10 months later got a 2017 GSXR1000 absolutely no regrets aswell
You can start on any cc bike just be careful and practice. Respect the bike And Don't do stuff for showing And impress people you will be okay. Thank you for sharing the video great information.
I agree with you! It all depends on the person. I personally am too much of a speed junky. If I started on a bigger bike I would've been too tempted by the throttle! It is alot easier to hone your cornering skills on a smaller bike as well (unless you're tall)
Interesting that no one ever brings up "getting spooked". think about what happens if someone gets spooked, whacks the throttle open... and theeeennnn....
Brother you spoke to my soul probably just saved my life
That’s awesome! That’s my goal with making these videos! If you want a bike with some power but something I still think is appropriate for a new rider, check out the ninja 650 or Yamaha mt07!
Very well said fot beginner riders!
It’s all about self control. Started on a 1000cc with no experience other than riding a bicycle and I have zero regrets .
The weight comes with some of it's own challenges, other than that you're right. It's not quite my first overall since I had a 50cc as a teenager, but my first real bike is a Blackbird and so far it's great. In some ways it's a better beginner bike than a 600cc, the power delivery is so smooth it's actually really easy to crawl around town if necessary. I didn't specifically choose the Bird mind you, it's just what happened to be in the family.