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All I can think about is if the Phawx had no shirt on and we got to see his mainly chest hair in full range
Windows needs to have an "XBOX" windows mode, much like steam deck has. Just having a simplified OS layer makes this way more appealing to console gamers. All these vendor made ones are passable at best.
If I understand correctly, they’re working on that
@@hardcoregammer1964yeah it seems to be on the back burner for windows atm. Idk when they'll actually invest time into it. Sooner would be nice
@@hardcoregammer1964you and the rest of the Internet understand this incorrectly
@@hardcoregammer1964some employees proposed it. Unsure if it was greenlit. Hopefully it is
💯 and they should not push Xbox game pass front and center.
I had a steam deck, it was nice after i put windows on it. I lost my job and had to sell it to get my kid a bike on her birthday this summer.
New job money saved and i am deciding between the ally or the Lenovo as a treat on my birthday nov 30th. These videos help alot
You’re a better parent than I would be. If I lost my job I wouldn’t sell my Deck unless I had to choose between that and eating.
Legion GO should have 120Hz mode from the beginning. Even without VRR You cen easy set 30hz, 40hz and 60hz in 120hz container and those framerates will be looking great :)
I love the idea of a "build your own Legion", the big things for me were the L1/R1 being too high to be comfortable for Elden Ring and the dpad being way too shallow. Also the general ergonomics just didn't feel great for my carpal tunnel syndrome (really only the Steam Deck has been mostly comfortable for me), so if there was a way that I could have a custom set of joycons for the Legion Go it might make me pick up another one (I ended up returning mine).
i hope integer scalling is implemented , one thing i was excited for
I couldn't stop looking at that display in the back that kept showing the Phantasy Star II characters lol
So cool!!
This is how we get innovation. We need multiple companies developing UI.
For us who moved from a lifetime of PlayStation and this is our first PC ever not just a handheld, can we get a video explaining all the graphics settings and what do we need to change/adjust for general gaming and what’s needed to be changed for certain games to get the best performance out of this over both battery and plugged in? Since because of your enthusiasm and reviews I got one and I love it. But I’m so overwhelmed with how much I need to do/learn just to using it especially coming after 20 years of Sony PS plug n play.
Yes! Integer scaling would be so great and helpful! 😢
Got mine ordered waiting for it to arrive
I would like to see power consumption of 60hz vs 144hz.
Love your ideas guys. Lenovo you better listen to them, left handed fps mode, customized joycons without the awkward button, keyboard case, some guys will like the accessories, You gotta put them on your accessories store lenovo, this will make the Go miles better than other handheld.
My Godfathers! Good chat about the Legion Go. Can't wait to get my hands on it this week!
I personally just wanted to use it as a tablet and use whatever controllers you want with it. It would be nice to be able to turn off the “joy cons” in that mode to save battery for the main device.
This handheld as well as the Ally just proves that Software is just as important, if not more important, than hardware.
New to the channel (from your Legion Go) challenge. This was super helpful. I follow The Phawx and Retro Game Corps previously so it was a cool collab. Sucks integer scaling is not simple and not workable. Hopefully the drivers improve overall in the future.
Awesome show, looking forward to next week 🤙🏾
6:30 - Yes, yes, yes! I personally will only consider the device as soon as they release a keyboard cover. This seems like a perfect beefy tablet hybrid. I personally would even forgo joycons, but it's beyond inexplicable how Lenovo has yet not released anything like that
I love hearing Phawx say the word "fast"
Hopeful that accessories manufacturers will make the Go better with the accessories they will make
Similar to Russ I was thinking about controllers. What they could do is make the controllers modular next with a magnetised shell. There'd be multitude of contact points underneath so that you can then buy various shells which cater to particular play styles and have buttons in specific positions. That way the base controlleds won't look so busy and "uber-geeky" and they won't forgoe anything to fit everything in.
Ive considered buying the Ally, not using microSD card, and just upgrading SSD to 1TB. I really want to see how the screen compares to the Steam Deck. It'll cost $620 for sale Black Friday but you can get it "open box excellent" for $520.
The ally has vrr and a none portrait screen and both of those make it a step up
Move to shoot is a technique that I tend to use too.
I think mixed aiming with gyro is the future.
Something that is starting to creep up is an issue with external drive constantly disconnecting / reconnect ting. Many have tried the typical fixes and it is still an issue. I have experienced this myself.
depends on the deadzones because if it’s accurate enough to aim precisely then i use the right stick but like on switch it has horrible deadzones so i use my left stick to line up the crosshair
Thanks to Russ’ video on the new miyoo mini onion update I’ve been testing a bunch of Nintendo DS games on my miyoo mini plus! Fun stuff!
can you guys confirm if it doesnt work well with amd egpu? I heard the gpu drivers for the z1 line is not compatible with the latest amd drivers. I'm using an rx6600
It's been a long week.
Thank you guys for another fun episode, always a great way to unwind
Getting mine friday i have until jan 13th to return it so I'll have to see it for myself..
That moment when you realise Russ has a Rites of Spring t-shirt on. Let's fucking go!
After a few hours gaming on my unit the SD card overheated to the point that windows was freezing trying to read it. I’m not sure if it’s just my unit but it’s weird this was mentioned for the ROG Ally but haven’t heard it with the legion go.
Yeah I also hope new joycons are available to purchase that have different button configurations cause yeah I don’t really plan on using FPS mode.
The fact that you can remove the controllers and just use it as a windows tablet is amazing! This will be replacing my iPad mini as well.
One question … what are thoughts on this compared to the Onexplayer 2 pro? Apologies if this was discussed in the video, I am only 1/3 the way through.
Yeah i do wish they got something like ipad connector for keyboard. Because it is a laptop that runs on window 11. I would consider buying if they got this option. They can even make the keyboard bigger and include power pack in it for extra juice.
I think Seth Rogen and MIchael Ironside got inside Seth Brundle´s "The Fly" teleport machine and Bill Fairchild came out on the other side!!!
Thanks you guys for another awesome show!
Hi guys.. Any idea when the lenovo legion go will be in south Africa??
With my steam deck I bought a bluetooth mouse and keyboard. So I would probably never take the controllers off the Legion Go. I have a surface pro and same thing, mouse and keyboard.
I would never carry this for a few reasons theft and too big. A good couch or table device
Russ talking about the "swipe up" for taskbar - personally, I've been able to do it with my Ally the entire time - and I do it all the time. Edit: Phawx immediately clarified it lol.
Has anyone used an external controller with this thing yet? I connected my Stadia controller to it via Bluetooth but none of the inputs were having any effect and the built-in controllers were still in control. Do I need to do something to give the external controller preference over the built in controls?
The steam decks LED charging light stays on even while fully charged. You have to turn it on or wake it from sleep to see the % i wish it would turn off at 100%
i dont know if its me, but i Have the ally and im currently playing Resident evil 4 at 900p 25tdp custom, and i have it limited to 45 fps in the ally. if i run the screen at 120hz i dont see any frame drops or tearing, but if a lower the screen to 60 hz i see tearing all the time, for what i know the diferenc is that at 120 hz you are using vrr but at 60 hz you dont.
Vampire survivors is good for the treadmill
I play mouse and key for all shooters and I think they did a pretty good job honestly! I’m surprised by how accurate you can be with the mouse. The key mapping is a pain in the ass I can’t lie but personally I think it’s a great introduction. You are not playing this to go pro but if you prefer a mouse or you are new to it it’s seriously not bad.
As a former owner of the steam deck and a currently owner of the ally I love handheld tech and after watching the Go reviews I am tempted to buy it but only after it’s updated. I think the Go is compared to a Swiss Army knife, it’s good at many things master of nothing
A unique idea that I had was I believe that if they just put it the Xbox the new modern Xbox console UI over to Windows even if it's just a setting in normal windows that you can just activate this alternative form of Windows that just looks like an Xbox console but you still have all the functionality of Windows would be sick and they already have the foundation and they could easily just put it over to windows in it's the perfect solution for them to also include pushing for game pass idk why they haven't done it awhile ago
love my asus rog ally
Got it for $200 used due to a broken sd card slot.
bought a 2230 to 2280 adapter and upgraded it to 2tb for less than $60
*edit that treadmill and switch combo is a nice idea!!!!
I’m 100% with Bill on this one: vsync, Freesync, RSR, FSR, VRR, non-VRR, GeForce. It all has started to sound like Charlie Brown’s teacher on the phone: Whonk wonk whaaa…
Screw it all. 60hz, sync it up, enjoy your life and a cooler running computer. I can’t tell you how many hundreds of adversaries still fall to my old-man fingers with a 60hz screen and wireless keyboard and mouse.
The 512gb Version is 850$ in Germany.
No word about one of the biggest issues??? The external ssd getting disconnected or very slow speeds.
I don’t use external SSDs on this. So that didn’t affect me.
@@NerdNest Cool but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be mentioned.
I see the flaws on the go and just can't see myself there. When I play the Ally I never think I would want a bigger screen, I think it's just right, but I understand the advantages for being windows. Such weird thing happening between a handheld console that runs windows and it just seems to break things one way or another. Perhaps there needs to be a specific windows OS specifically for handhelds, and then we would rejoice even more as a gaming community
Are you guys choosing the Ally or buying the Legion Go? A bitt of a dilemma here? Dont know if i want to sell my ally and buy the lenovo or not. Afraid that the lenovo because of the size and weight will lose the purpose of a handheld. I love that i can lay in bed and play a game before going to sleep. The Ally even gets heavy after a while. Performance wise i dont realy see much of a difference. Both can play everything. Help me out guys.
The battery life and the large screen is quite intriguing, but there isnt enough to make me sell my Ally for it.
We all get cheesed off sometimes. 😂😂😂
The fact you can't use the back buttons when connected to the display for games like Call of Duty is a huge missed opportunity.
I use the Ally back buttons in Cod for jump shotting and dropping prone
I love the screen size
And the aspect ratio for retro games detachable controls are great for playing in bed.
But I don’t like the dpad sound and input feel is useless for fighting games
I don’t like the fan is loud and it has an annoying high pitch noise I don’t like how heavy it is it gets more uncomfortable the longer you use it.
the lack of VRR SUCKS I get lots of stutters all the time.
The speakers 🔊 are TRASH the sound quality is horrible.
Legion space needs to be fixed it is full of annoying glitches and crashes.
I miss the rog ally I’m going to Best Buy to get an open box for 500. Yes I will loose the screen size and a little battery life but I gain on everything else.
Well, and track pad, and gyro, and 144hz, and mouse mode, and removable controllers...... but yeah, totally
Maybe I’ll keep both for different reasons the ally has gyro and 120hz Vrr I almost never remove a controllers the trackpad is good for the windows setup but I use it dock mode with a real mouse and keyboard .
There is nothing quite like the steamdeck.
im so hyped
Me too, just cant afford it :(
If someone owns a Steam Deck but isn't a predominately a handheld gamer or a tech guy but really wants a handheld specifically for gamepass what would you guys recommend? ROG? Legion?
Mhh your steamdeck probly you can run the gamepass on it no need for the rog or legion
Steam Deck cant run Gamepass natively. Its does remote play. The Go or the Ally can because of windows.
Isn't the scroll wheel intended for handheld mode?
I don’t think so. It’s hard to reach then as well.
Not going to lie, I plan on using a legion go as a GeForce now gaming desktop mode and local hand held. Combining the two makes this my last pc. I have zero reason to upgrade after this.
too bad it only comes with 16 GB of RAM, I would've done the same if it had a 32 GB option
I always play controller like a mouse, aim with my dominant hand, I can't aim with movement.
Whatever, Trackpad aiming will be better for me. If valve update their steam input to support all those backbuttons It'd be great, but no luck I guess.
I turn off my RGB on the ALLY, so annoying. I like the Go's however!
What is the name of carries channel
And these other handheld PC's are too expensive..the Legion is like 800-900$ in Canada.
Just put a mouse in place of the puck inside the case
"there's other trickery that has to happen to use integer scaling"
Yeah, it's called using Linux. Gamescope handles this _beautifully_. It also makes it so that the portrait nature of the display doesn't matter.
Linux _is_ superior for handhelds in every way. The only thing holding it back is contempt.
I suppose the most popular handheld in the world is Nintendo Switch. It does not have VRR.
Please give us a keyboard case!
I’m only here for the performance, if performance is a little better then rog and steam then I can wait for the deck 2
I agree with Russ on the buttons being pushed while holding it being weird, but you guys should be comparing this to the Ally being it is at the same price point.
We did compare it to the Ally.
@@NerdNest sorry. you guys touched on points here and there, and I don't disagree with the opinions stated in the video, I just mean more of a apples to apples. Ally release state vs. legion release state. Even if you don't use the fps mode. I do enjoy that all of you have different use cases, opinions, and reasons for not liking it. I'm excited for the full review videos all three of you do. Keep up the good work.
Can’t wait!
Steamdeck is a handheld PC console. Use it that way. You want to play on the big screen get a console or gaming PC ...simple.
can you do a tutorial how to install linux?
sick shirt russ
Orange shirt guy sounds like he just wants a laptop.
Hi from France 🇫🇷 ❤
I thinks they really could have had the upper hand if they offered a 32gb ram option
Hoping some third party companies make a keyboard (Surface pro / iPad ) style for this. Remove the controller and you have a great laptop.
I have a Steam Deck, no intention of ever picking up an ROG Ally, but I can see myself picking up a Legion Go if/when they polish up the software/experience.
“It’s weird that they have all these detachable joy cons but no keyboard…”. How about an unlimited back rub coming with it as well? Giving one and you are asking for 3 things more, there is no way a product will ever satisfy you 🤣🤣🤣
The arguments here will not affect 95% of consumers. I own both Ally and Legion Go, and the battery, screen-size and overall power push the Legion Go ahead for me. The Ally feels great in the hand, but most games are just not made for handheld screens on the pc side, so it's hit or miss on how small the text reads. The Legion Go has pretty much made it so that I can play almost every game on this handheld. Love the Faux, but he is really going overboard, in my opinion, on the portrait screen and vrr. Doesn't affect any of the games I play and so far I'm loving my Legion Go.
Come back when the honeymoon period is over and tell me how she does then
There is no honeymoon phase. I have both handhelds and this is what is happening. This is not a tribal argument, this is a fact - large screen = clearer more visible text for reading. Come back to me when you actually have the device to judge.@@harissonbond7499
Steamdeck is still the best for me. I'm not spending 700$ for a handheld. I paid 670$ for my Xbox one x and it destroys the steamdeck. Yet the steamdeck streams Xbox games anyway and they are quite playable.
I was gonna get a Go. Now im gonna get abother steam deck lol
It’s plain as day I don’t know as much as Phawx (most people probably don’t!). But one thing we ALL know: Windows is at least PART of the problem with Windows gaming.
This Podcast is awesome. I’m missing Kyle, though.
Kyle rocks
all this talk before the Oled touched a finger how do we know... there is no SD LCD on phawx's shelf where the jet is / OG Xbox is...
I have never seen the benefit of vrr on my ally. I can always see when it stutters between fps drops.
Can someone make a video on being new to these handheld consoles?
Being new?
After watching the ally and legion go kinda flop release I love my deck and even that wasn't great Rolling out but now is great. I'm not as cheesed lol I kinda had a feeling alot of these new handhelds are great on paper but half baked or served raw on release. Plus after seeing the steam deck on sale literally not a year after release which did make me cheesed because I bought the 512gb model. I've now learned to just wait a year or more because now we are in the same environment as smartphones when a new device is coming out ever year now especially for handhelds. It's kinda how games are like 80 to 100 bucks just for a few days early access but literally a few months later it's on sale. I've definitely learned to just be patient especially after diablo 4 or starfield which are still good games. An just wait on buying devices and games a few months or even a year after release. I'm not made of money unless it's buying cheese. 😂 but I do love watching other people spend their money and show us all how good or bad games and devices are so I don't feel so bad about not pre ordering. 🙌 An as a lefty I totally understand the WASD hate and more love for controllers.
As someone who got a Steam Deck and an Ally at release, the Ally released in much better shape. The Steam Deck didnt really come into its own until 6 months after release.
@@conchobarAgreed the deck release was weak as hell . Sd card issues as well . I like the deck but love the Ally . I come from console so I wasn't vested in steam at all other then having the deck so having game pass and ea play moving to the Ally was a great experience. The deck I had to buy games off steam to get started . Which now comes handy on my ally now cause I can have the best of both worlds . The deck with dual booting for windows wasn't for me ! I'm interested in the legion go but I'm gonna hold out and see what comes next year or so given the ally plays everything great ! Also I don't feel I would sit at a table to play the fps on the go . That's the only thing compelling to me and it's not worth for me coming from having the Ally already ! To each there own but I'm excited for the future thank you valve,asus,and lenovo
I hope other handhelds manufacturers (non-steamdeck) instead of trying to make windows work for a handheld, just give a vanilla windows and supporting dual boot with something like chimeraOS
Hope they know you can just turn the lights off the sticks on the rig ally did it day one and never had the issue of them flashing at me. And lights on handheld systems like that are completely worthless just on there to be more “gamer”
Yeah, I know you can turn them off, but I was wondering what the flashing means.
With all due respect, alot of the things said on this video sounds REALLY nitpicking. From talking about having a keyboard, knowing if they added one, then the complaint would be "its too small ", then the FPS mode, "having a proper mouse", all of these things that are named, you should be at home with a full rig... this thing is meant for on the go, to copy (at the most minimalist way) having a full rig. If you are a keyboard and mouse guy, buy a Bluetooth keyboard and a Bluetooth mouse. I just feel we are living in a culture where we are MORE unappreciative then appreciative in what technology is bringing us. The legion is SO good for their first try, and future updates will define it even better.
And a case for the body but not the, what? 😅 All in good fun but so many ideas presented here, I think almost no one else would buy
The whole point of this podcast is to nitpick.
Bruh it's not review video. People are talking about what they like&dislike.
And theses nitpicks are the reason why I won't buy one right now, so it's useful info.
I understand what you’re tryna say, but the legion go is meant as a way to play mouse-oriented games. The experience seems to not be suited for that. In part due to all these small issues which are necessary compromises for it’s defining feature, portability. Then it’s not a good a product 🤷♂️
I don't get how so many people don't get the ergonomics of that scroll wheel. So when you are holding the controler index finger on the trigger, your middle finger is just about touching that scroll wheel. TDLR - STOP using our index finger for the scroll wheel, us your middle finger, it's longer and closer to the wheel. I will conced that the angle is not the best, they could have rotated it more so the wheel is closer to vertical.
Additional thoughts: I find it interesting how critical people are of this device, and what I mean by that is all the critisim is based on love and people see the potential and want Lenovo to reach that gold standard. This is an adult switch / tech demo and it's amazing for a first draft.
YOU DO NOT NEED VRR ON A 8 inch screen.
nitpick videos..lol as if the amory crate and steam os are in good shape on release😂