Try Not to HATE the New 2025 4Runner [TOP 3 '25 4Runner HATES]
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- 2025 toyota 4runner
#2025toyota4runner
#4runner
#gx460
#gx550
#2025runnerprosandcons
#kdss
#ekdss
#xreas
#turbo2.4lhybrid4runner
2025 Toyota 4Runner trim levels
SR5 (i-Force)
TRD Sport (i- Force)
TRD Sport Premium (i- Force)
TRD Off-Road (i-Force and i-Force Max)
TRD Off-Road Premium (i-Force and i-Force Max)
Limited (i-Force and i-Force Max)
TRD Pro (i-Force Max)
Trailhunter (i-Force Max)
*correction: the 5th gen "off road" trim came with KDSS, not the Limited... [calm down fellow nerds! One minor correction doesn't invalidate the rest of the **_logic_** in the video] Limited got the XREAS... same exact idea... sorry too many 4runner trims to keep straight 😆... I think the 4RUNNER Trail Edition had KDSS too?*
KDSS was an option for trims in 4runners. It was never standard on any version. 5k dollar option.
@@bigb0ngz it was only optional on the Trail/TRD OffRoad.
This is why I love this channel. True toyota nerds unite! Great video as usual.
I have KDSS in my 2024 TRD Off Road. I love it. ❤
Not $5k. It was a $1,750 option.
Still pretty steep, but then again it does transform the on and off-road handling noticeably.
I can't find info on if the Limited could be optioned with KDSS, but if so, that would make the running gear essentially the same as the GX460.
Totally agree with your comments. I bought a new, off road premium 4runner in January. I'm very happy with it, it gets me to my destination without problems. I've had many cars, from a British, 1950s Standard 8, which was so quiet, I kept trying to start it, every time I stopped, it was still running. I've owned lots of different vehicles, a VW Polo, 3 cylinder, to a Porsche 911 turbo. I've commented on other videos, when Americans debate, at great length, "ah, but what does the truck get to the gallon"? My question is always, what does it matter, 99% of Americans are driving at 80/90 mph, on 55mph speed limit roads. I've been driving, accident free, since 1959, I normally drive 5 mph over the posted speed limit, I've always arrived at my chosen destination. I'm currently getting 20.7 miles per gallon, in my (new), old 4runner. I'm happy, without all those things that most seem to crave. What is the benefit, to using all this technology, when they're going so fast, they have less time to use it? 😁
KDSS SHOULD have been available on the Limited. XREAS never gave it that flat handling it needed. Unfortunately it was only available on the TRD Offroad Premium with its part time 4WD. I always felt the Limited with its FULL time AWD was far superior unless rock crawling which 99% never does with their 4runner. I am disappointed to see KDSS or equivalent gone in Gen6. I hope this time the aftermarket industry makes a thicker Swaybar available, which it didnt do for Gen5.
I was going to wait till the end of the year to buy the 2025, but I fell in love with the 2024.
Its not that I hate the new design, but there are some deficiencies.
- clearly less backseat room.
- seats don't fold flat
-4 cylinder is simply untested in this role. Lacks power without complex assists from turbo and hybrid motors.
-expecting serious mark ups for first year.
- last chance to get this generation new.
Toyota had it right when they put the V8 in the 4runner. It had plenty of power, and weighed A THOUSAND POUNDS LESS than this new 4cyl hybrid. As far as complexity - it all depends on how long you plan to keep the vehicle. Eventually it will all need to be replaced, but that could be 200-300k miles. If you don't plan on keeping the vehicle that long, it's a non-issue. Personally, the weight is a much bigger issue for me. The 4runner used to be a small, lightweight, off-roader that was SIMPLE.
The TNGA-F architecture goal is to simplify manufacturing process and therefore making more profit. The savings as with every company will never be passed on to the consumer.
Take it to the bank!
I'm in the market for a used 2021 or 2022 GX460 but entertained the possibility of a top trim 4Runner but after seeing all these cons including the turbo-charged small engine I'll stick with a naturally aspirated 4.6 V8 in the GX460 (along with the KDSS).
Why don’t we all just relax and wait and see for ourselves how the car drives. Looks nice 👍🏻
NO !!
Looks really sloppy actually
If you watch Tacomabeast latest video, they talk about the turbos being maxed out or overloaded with 35" tires.
In addition the transmission oil temperature being above a normal range. I do not know what temperature numbers.
As we know overlanders / offroaders want to have larger tires for better clearance.
The turbos reliability and longevity might be an issue with larger tires.
Another concern is the waterproofing of the hybrids components. Again, overlanders / offroaders doing water crossings might be a concern. Any water intrusion might be very costly.
Love my 2019 4runner TRD off-road premium.
Very well done video. Extremely detailed and I learned a great deal. Thank you for that. Again I’m glad I have the 2 GX460s in my garage as I have zero interest currently in the new Toyota products. Need be the GXs will carry me for 20 years. I really wish I had a 2024 runner to just park in my garage and break out in 20 years..😂
Thank you for your happy comment 😊 ☺️ 🙂
There is an electronically disconnecting front sway bar option. New platform, maybe it's enough with this suspension. Will be plenty of non-hybrids thankfully. I'm not worried about the turbo. Can use full synthetic and change at 5K, test your oil if you want peace of mind. Only thing I can't stand is those fugly black fender flares. Good review.
KDSS did not come on the 5th generation Limited. You are wrong buddy. Limited came with XREAS.
calm down and read the pin 📌
I can’t wait! I’m getting one. I’ve research this particular powertrain and it is extremely stiff and over engineered. Toyota is doing turbo charging like no other manufacturer in the world. They’re using the best turbo chargers that are made from a company called IHI, which is a very prestigious Japanese company. They have the heat management under control which we all know is the precursor to failure, semi diesel engines can go 1,000,000 miles on one turbo charger with no problems because the EGT are kept in a manageable level. No one ever says anything about that. 95% of the people that are commenting negative responses about turbochargers is because they really don’t know how turbocharging is worked or how you could manage the EGT and get extended life Toyota engineers are the best in the world because they have solved all the problems that come with turbo charging.
Not too mention undersquared motor with peak torque at 1700rpm paired with 8 speed transmission that is getting up to 27 mpg in the Tacoma!
@@NorthweSteelheadJunkies exactly long stroke. Geometry is a huge plus.
Old gold is better than new gold.
Lexus/Toyota has too many midsize SUVs. The Lexus GX, Toyota Land Cruiser and this 4Runner are too close in features and price. The 4Runner needed to be the affordable version and this is going to be a minimum of $50K out the door and many in the $70K range.
Don't forget the LX600 too!
1. Design is outstanding. The car looks unreal good, so that’s it for that one. 2. Powertrain: I would assume that Toyota has done their homework and made a reliable powertrain, but the inherent nature of FI and hybrid set ups means they’re far more complex, thus more difficult to maintain. 3. Suspension: Looks like they’re reserving e-KDSS for their top tier off roaders?
Either ways, our “old” V8s and those with the V6 will become more desirable mainly due to its simpler nature!
"The old American way, I want something, but I don't want to pay of it... You want it all, but you don't want to pay for it all. I want it to be cheap... And of course that doesn't exist in reality." Which is how we end with either of two things: (1) Take it all by force or (2) Make it look the part: Giant fenders, giant tires, giant this, giant that... American Football styling, which is worth millions, and which makes everyone happy. This 4Runner styling, worth millions, makes us happy. The bright side, or the sweet spot, is that since it is a Toyota, the fairy tales, the fantasies, and the imaginations persist. Which altogether make for an amusing American attitude - We can get it all and not pay for it!
In my opinion, I don’t think it’s worth it because of the future expenses of number one the turbo number two the battery packs and number three the electric motor… Even if the vehicle lasted 10 years without these three major future problems, can you imagine what turbo and electric motors and battery packs are going to cost in 10 years? It’s gonna be double what it is now and those turbo are about $5000 apiece. That electric motor is at least $7500 and the battery packs are at least 10,000 so double these prices in 10 years and my opinion it’s not worth it. I’m going to stick with the 21 Lexus LX 570 and the 23 Lexus GX 460 and the reason is is because they are bulletproof V8engines… without the worry of electric motors without the wary of battery packs without the worry of turbo sure they may not get the best gas mileage but in the long run, I am saving tens of thousands of dollars and I will say this these are both million mile engines taken care of… Also, I will tell anybody out there if you do have a VA engine change the oil every 2000 to 3000 miles… don’t wait till you hit 5000 or 7500 or 10,000 miles not if you wanted it to last 1,000,000 miles… and with that… This is a phenomenal channel. Thank you for all the research and analysis that you bring. I hope we get to meet someday and share our vehicles, knowledge and adventures.🇯🇵🤍❤️🇺🇸🇮🇹💙💚
Made in Japan 🇯🇵
That says it all
lc 200 sold in the U.S. was the top top trim level vx ,other markets had an now in the LC 300 a basic base model LC 300 GX utilitarian model cloth seats steel rims around $ 71k U.S. we would buy them but it would kill the sequoia market @20:01 LC300 GR SPORT
the one thing i hate about all these new toyota trucks is the price. I refuse to pay $600.00+ a month payment for something that sits in the garage the majority of its life.
That’s most people’s problem. Getting a loan for a car is a big financial mistake.
@@deanrotering879 so true... I'm afraid to talk about that topic on this channel 😬 😢
I don’t blame you. It’s a car channel and everyone in this country is trained to ask “What will my payment be?” You probably need to start a separate channel for the consumer slave topics lol.
I pay $1500 a month for my 23 GX. 0 down 60 month finance $64k for the luxury trim with off road package($$72k with tax). Worth it.
Guess who creates KDSS, Toyota, right? Which means they might have developed something better. Whatever they say is good then we say it's good, nothing lasts forever.
I enjoy your willingness to critique Toyota and posers who buy Toyota trucks.
I am tired of Toyota’s use of Yourube “influencers”. Toyota can stay unaccountable for what other people say because TH-camrs are trying to make a living and sucking on the teat of car companies.
Thank you 🙏... the Toyota shills do have their place I suppose... but hardore shilling (the current trend) comes across as disingenuous... we try not to do that here 😀
The triple locked, e-KDSS GR-Sport version of the LC300 is selling for over $112,000 in the UAE. While it is definitely an extremely capable truck, question is, who is willing to pay that much in the US for it?
that's a great question... that's what killed the LC200 in the USA... it was 90k 5 years ago new... few were sold... Still wish the US got the LC300 GRS though... Lexus should've branded the LC300 as the Lexus Landcruiser 300 GRS or Lexus LX600 GRS... Japan gets a special triple locked ekdss version of the Lexus LX600... wish that was here too 😢
Hoping the new suspension will take care of the body roll without needing KDSS. I absolutely love my kdss 5th gen, but the TH gets Old Man Emu and the Pro gets the Fox shocks. I'm hoping once the driving impressions come out, that we're pleasantly surprised. Climbing Elevation in the 5th gen was brutal - I'm looking forward to the increased torque more than anything. I didn't understand people strapping RTTs, steel bumpers and winches on the 5th gen as a daily driver. Without a $10k super charger, zero to sixty is just a memory... Lol... 5th Gens are gonna flood the market as people trade them in so the nay sayers should be really happy.
I'm wondering with the hybrid powertrain if it is a good idea to keep cycling the turbo motor on and off especially when the turbo is hot? There water pump is mechanical on the Tacoma and it even says in the owners manual that under high load conditions you should let the engine idle for a minute before shutting down.
The 24 Tacoma NOT having a 2nd electric water pump for the turbos seems to NOT be verified. the T24 engine was designed with a secondary water pump for the turbo circuit... there's just internet anecdotes on forums about how it doesn't have a 2nd pump... but I haven't seen anyone actually verify this... it is difficult to think that toyota would delete this circuit for the Tacomas... The engine on the Tacoma does not cycle on and off like a HSD. The electric motor is clutched on and off as needed.
The one major gripe I have with the 4Runner and the Land Cruiser are the rear fender flares. Although aesthetically pleasing, when you open the rear doors, the fenders come off with the door, resulting in dirt, mud, etc that’s exposed on the other side of the car. It’s exposed to the passengers getting into the second row, thus getting their clothes dirty. This is bad design. Especially if you’re an off-roader and have a family, your kids clothes will brush this area 😅
Now maybe it won’t be an issue but carwow did a review of the Land Cruiser and he’s the one who brought this to my attention. 😅
It’s going to be a nuisance everytime it rains to have to clean this area off constantly
toyota plan in the future is clear..to make all thier units disposable..😂😅😊
I don't doubt Toyota's ability to build a reliable hybrid (how many 2nd gen Priuses do you still seen on the road running around with 300k miles, 20 years later..) or a reliable turbo (most Toyota trucks overseas have had a turbodiesel for the last 40+ years.)
But it seems most people can't see that? Seems pretty obvious to me.
"Too cheap to buy, or too ignorant to appreciate".....yeahhh its both 😅
I got your 3 hates right here:
1. The first turbocharger
2. The second turbocharger
3. The combination of the turbochargers.
Done.
Yep let the hate begin, looks like it’ll be enough available for me
They will sell a ton of 4Runners like they always do. I wonder if the number of models will get trimmed down in 2026 meaning I’m wondering which one will sell more.
I’m not gonna compare this to the Tacoma. A lot of people are saying these bad things about the Tacoma and saying the 4Runner will be the same. The Tacomas are being built in Mexico/Texas. The 4Runner is being built in Japan. Which gives me some faith that it would last longer. But I’ll stick to my 3rd gen Tacoma for now.
Less for more, it’s definitely 2024
What trim would you get?
it is sad that Toyota doesn't extend e-KDSS to more of their models and line up.
it's actually unforgivable as E-kdss is the most exciting 4x4 (and onroad) feature... even the Lexus LX600 doesn't have it
Having kdss made installing off road lift kits more expensive because they were not compatible
People like to complain, there is no such thing as everyone agreeing to the same thing. You say this, he says another.. never ends, just live with it.
They actually could get more power out of the V6. The reason for turbo charging isn't necessarily for power it's for better emissions regulations and also to give the engine more torque which is needed for these heavy suvs.
I didn't care about the 4Runner being "old" or gas mileage or hp.....problem is that many people are influenced by reviewers, which are not owners and are not people that live with the vehicle. They are people that sit in a car for a couple hours maybe a few days and make content for a channel then go babbling about about it.
I traded a 2016 F80 M3 fully loaded with a sticker priced at $103K for a TRD Pro 4Runner.....and didn't miss anything in the M3. People need to prioritize what the eff they want. You want power, you got it, want reliability....you had it, want gas mileage get a Rivian....you can't have it all because the government is forcing emission control and idiots are voting for these people in congress.
Back on subject, all you bitching about the old outdated 4Runner, shut up, here's your new more powerful updated version with a giant screen dash....you don't like it, too damn bad, stop acting like a small fickle spoiled child. You wanted it you got it.
As for me, I'm actually trying to organize my finances to buy another 5th 4Runner before they become hard to find.Two is better than one.
Where is the 4 Runner 2 Door that will Sell Out immediately!!!!
Does anyone know if the new turbo 4 requires premium fuel ? Lexus changed their RX to a 4 cylinder turbo that requires premium fuel that cost about $1 per gallon more than regular
good question 🤔
more low end power is what i'm after. other than the diesel which we cant get in North America the turbo boost won't kick in till you hit the higher revs if i'm not mistaken. no interest in the battery /electric.
I don't mind paying the xtra dollar for quality last for eternity products but there is a limit. If they're gonna charge a kings ransom just out of pure corporate greed then no.
More powerful than the old v6 or v8. I hate that the hybrid is engineered for power and not fuel efficiency. Thats retarded. We’ll only need that power on extremely rare occasions while fuel efficiency is always in need even when standing completely still. This makes absolutely zero sense 😢
agree about power... same for the GX550... there's zero need for that much power offroading when you're going 3mph.... torque and fuel economy should've been priority... however it's understandable because Americans would whine about how it's "underpowered" if it only gained 10hp from the previous gen....
Excelsior! Manbearpig. 👍🤪🏳️🌈
Complexivity?
that's a work on this channel 😆
I'll probably get the new 4runner over the GX550. I don't need another vehicle that averages 17mpg (or less when towing a trailer/motorcycles). Hybrid is great, don't have to install my own batteries for a solar setup, which will still cost a few thousand dollars. For every 1 that won't buy because of the battery, 10 will, which is why the vehicles people complain about ceasing to exist, are ceasing to exist. Maybe the GX550 hybrid if the price is stomachable.
No hate only love for toyota
I love what they did with the 4Runner its an absolute homerun design, options and price possibly the best value car in the world. The 40k barebone SR5 4Runner still has everything you need to drive in comfort 8speed auto, 278hp peppy engine, 4x4, a/c, sound. If you want more well Toyota has made it very easy for you to choose the best product at every price point if you want all the bells and whistles with the V6 get the GX550 Overtrail+ for 85k!!! The rest of us are fine with the 40k barebone version I dont need a tablet in the car when I have a smartphone supercomputer just give me a gatdamn good mount where I can view my phone while driving!
Where’s the SR5 2Runner?
Thats what I wondered but its still a trim option...i think there are 9 trim options now.
Absolutely agree re the 0-60 hype/obsession nowadays. Stupid!
All show and no go...What a let down...
KDSS, XREAS systems and RUST are the only downsides of any 4Runner. Keep it simple Toyota.
EPA castrated golf cart. This thing is not an iconic 4runner - don't even call it that...
Might as well call it 4Gotten
The biggest disappointment is that we don’t get the LC300
amen 🙏 😢
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD how can Ford, RAM, Chevy, GMC sell massive trucks with all the bells and whistles for $100k, but Toyota can’t find a way to market the LC 300. Instead we get this frat bro 4Runner. I just don’t get it.
You can buy the LX600
@@woolengrapplerbecause Ford, Chevys etc aren’t over built and coming from Japan
Creases system is awful. Any failure and it’s extremely expensive to repair
I dont care for kdss. To be honest i wished they didn't have it. The trd pro doesn't have in the 5th gen. It just adds more complexity and more service you really dont want.
KDSS is literally increased offroad articulation... the TRD Pro is a marketing gimmick for Americans... All flagship Landcruisers and the Landcruiser Prado and GX460 and 4RUNNER Offroad had KDSS.... if you Offroad you WANT disconnecting swaybars... there's no complexity, the system is old and it has been proven to work without issue
You are putting too much credit on that old kdss system. I watched this one channel the other day he measured it he said the new GX500 without kdss had better articulation than the old GX with kdss by a lot! and the new 4Runner already has sway bars front and back so it will ride better than the old one with kdss and still have more articulation just because its based on the new architecture of the Land Cruiser 300.
we're referring to KDSS on-road flatness here... Topher on YT drove a non-EKDSS GX550 and the first thing he said was it drives floppy with alot of body roll compared to the old GX460 with KDSS... without something like KDSS they have to "balance" the roll bars instead of making them ultra firm and disconnectable...
It only applies to the OT+ trim, which is $85k.
@@TheWinwin4allno the base OT also has KDSS for $70k
This is a brand new platform that shares nothing with the 5th gen 4runner. Trying to compare ride and handling between the two is apple and oranges. TNGF-A
Why did you start off the video with an artist rendering of a 4Runner instead of a picture of an actual '25 4Runner. I almost shut your video off 5 seconds in because of misinformation.
would you like to speak with the manager?
@@LexusGX460-OFF-ROAD 🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Buya an SUV OR a Truck. Armageddon may come and it will pay to have a strong vehicle which can go offroad. 😀
Ha, everyone’s a Fookin expert on something no one has even test driven….
You get worse suspension, more unreliable engine, barely better fuel economy, and a higher price tag. YAAAAAY! 🤣🤣🤣🤣. Generally speaking turbo charged engines will never outlast NA engines unless it has beefed up internals. And we all know no manufacturers are not giving you forged internals in a regular production car. People only buy Toyotas for their reliability. No one buys Toyotas because they are exciting.
The spec sheet of the t24a itself describes the forged and strengthened internals. It wouldn’t make sense at all for a 'reliable conscious' brand like Toyota NOT to use strengthened internals for forced induction engines
Also the new platform and suspension design in TNGA-F platforms like say the GX gets better articulation then the previous KDSS equipped one
At least in turbo diesel set ups, Toyota engines last a long time except for 2 common issues you will encounter (as with any other TDI engine): 1. Fuel injectors and 2. The turbo itself.
But yes, NA engines are simpler and more reliable therefore, but emissions are fuel economy regulations drive manufacturers towards these turbo engines, even though they consume just as much fuel 😫
I was waiting for GX/4Runner upgrade with strong leaning to GX. I’m super skeptical because of this turbo thing.😬 Hey, I want a vehicle to take me into my late years/The coming collapse/apocalypse. I was looking for a serious upgrade. Not sure now. Opinions.
It actually does have forged crankshaft and forged rods
It’s ok don’t buy it. More for me lol
KDSS Sucks! It's got Electronic sway bar Disconnect on 2025 4Runner.
KDSS is amazing, which is why it's on the flagship 300GRS and the GX550 OT. KDSS disconnects front and rear bars while allowing for a thick bar on road. The 4RUNNER SDM system only disconnects the front bar. It's a value KDSS system and a compromise of KDSS to appease the poors (Toyota's language, not mine)