To be honest, when the video started i thought that the presenter talked to much... but after i completed watching the entire video I'm actually glad i kept watching and i realized that everything he said was very important. So BIG thumbs up!!👍👍 Great work! I would really like to see the repaired and finished parts before and after assembly
By the look of the (New) engine it's been over heated the water jackets are full of red oxide rust ..and Burnt to a Crisp antifreeze looks like crystal rocks..I like the fact you removed the oil pump like you did..I do it the same way it's a lot easier..thanks for sharing the video
I just tore down a flooded 13b. As in there was water in it and siezed. There are a few small chatter marks away from the compression side. Going to clean and inspect rotors tomorrow. Probably going to smooth some things out by hand and put it back together with new seals b/c I want to see what the limits are on a cheap revival.
😮😮😮😨😨😨😱😱😱😰😰😰😖😖😓😓😭😭😭 What the living hell man?!?!? No through bolt, the chatter on both housings and that front rotor, OMG. 😡😡 Good on you Broomy for trying to rectify that epic screw up from the previous builder. 👍 That is pretty much a name and shame job there, just horrific.
My rx8 isn’t super fast but it’s not slow but they are good for sound systems and not the weak ass Bose system I’m running 2 10” 500 watt system and it hits hard
Seems each rotors need 6 side seals + 3 Apex seals = 9 seals to have leak proof compression. (Plus maybe corner seals.) Any thoughts on seals in comparison to piston rings?
"Leak proof compression"? Even with pistons much less rotors and "housings"? And "seals" that are in constant motion and varying "tension" in aluminum "housings" which are not the same as "cylinders" in a piston engine period and IF THEY WERE AND ARE THAT WOULD PROVE ROTARIES ARE "DISPOSABLE" AND NOT "REBUILDABLE" SINCE EACH AND EVERY PISTON ENGINE WITH ALUMINUM CYLINDERS IS "DISPOSABLE" AND AT BEST "REBUILDABLE" ONLY IF AND WHEN IT HAS AN ALUMINUM PISTON AND THE CYLINDER BLOCK IS BORED AND HONED OR REPLACED SUCH AS THE "TOP END" OF 2-STROKE ENGINES? WANT TO KNOW MY THOUGHTS ON YOUR "QUESTION" ABOUT ROTARY "SEALS" BEING SYNONYMOUS WITH PISTON RINGS? MY THOUGHT - I ONLY HAVE ONE - IS THAT ANYONE THAT ASKS THAT QUESTION PROBABLY BELIEVES IN "LEAK-FREE COMPRESSION" AND WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER MECHANICAL "UNICORNS" AND IS A DREAM "CUSTOMER" FOR 'ROTARY EXPERTS" AND THEIR ROTARY-SPECIFIC "GOODS AND SERVICES" AND SHOULD BY ALL MEANS STICK TO "SIMPLE" AND "EASY TO BUILD" ROTARIES WHERE THE FIRING ORDERS NEVER EXCEED THE NUMBER OF FINGERS ON ONE HAND WITH THEIR THUMB LEFT OVER FOR HITCHING RIDES AND/OR SUCKING WHILE HAVING A GOOD CRY IN THE PRIVACY OF MOM'S BASEMENT WHEN THEIR ROTARY "RACER" NEEDS "REBUILT" EVERY TIME THEIR "TUNE" SOMEHOW "CHANGES" AND "COMPRESSION" DROPS A WHOPPING 5% "COLD" AND SUDDENLY THEIR "SIMPLE" AND "EASY TO BUILD" AND "HIGH PERFORMANCE" AND "HIGH TECH" ROTARY WON'T "RUN RIGHT". OR LEFT. OR FORWARD. OR BACKWARD. AND IT'S ANOTHER "TOW" BACK TO MOM'S HOUSE AND THE INTERNET ROTORHEAD "EXPERTS" AND ALL THEIR "FIXES" FOR A "WEAK" OR "TIRED" OR "WORN OUT" ROTARY THAT NEEDS "REBUILT" MORE OFTEN THAN AN "UPGRADED" AND "TUNED" AND "BIG-BORED" 2-STROKE "DIRT BIKE" USED AND RIDDEN AND TREATED LIKE AN "ENDURO".
*Yeah, Mazda earned a very bad reputation which is why they no longer sell these unreliable engines... Mazda only sells car with reciprocating engines now.*
@Leon Jones *_BULLSHIT!_** That old false urban myth was busted years ago by the NHTSA recall investigation... Mazda stopped producing them because PEOPLE STOPPED BUYING THEM... sales of RX models steadily declined from as early as 1986 and both the RX-7 FD and the RX-8 were major flops that did not sell enough units to turn a profit. Wankel engine have a well earned notorious reputation for poor performance, horrible fuel economy and premature engine failure due to compression loss.*
@Leon Jones *Your childish insults expose you for what you really are... a troll, a liar and a fake... Please stop posting false information and lies.*
For the housing sleeves, how many thousandths can you machine/hone off before you have to replace it? And how do you measure how much is left when you have no choice but to resleeve, like if its already been machined?
Looks to be an RX-5 keg or at least the housings are from an RX-5 Also unsure why someone thought it was a good idea to use 3B irons and R5 irons on the same engine. R5 are nitrided while 3B ones aren't unless it was resurfaced and then nitrided
Aside from the missing elephant (bolt), you mentioned the engine sat for a while before being installed... is it possible it was run up when built which cleared all the assembly lube then because it sat first startup and 50km could have done most of that damage?
That could be part of the issue. I suspect it was thrown together with some pretty junk parts and this 50km story seems a bit suss considering a few obvious signs of age and wear/tear type things. Maybe it wasn't all clean when build and was essentially thrown together with left over parts someone had lying around in someone's shed
*Its pretty obvious by the condition of the outside of the engine and the cleanliness that its did last long enough to even break-in... 50 kilometers and this turd was done.*
Thanks for a awesome video! Do you think i can just replace my water seals? Engine is rebuilt with upgraded seals. Puffing some smoke. Trying to keep costs down due to personal reasons
Might not be 100 percent correct, but its to light the fuel/air mixture evenly in the relatively long but narrow combustion chamber, and IIRC each plug is timed separately rather than both igniting at the same time.
@@Moore91 that makes sense. also realized that the case almost creates a "bridge" across the rotor when it is at full compression, almost dividing the rotor so it makes sense to have two plugs firing at slightly different times.
*That is exactly why there are 2 plugs, the combustion chamber essentially divides in two at Top dead center. also, the long flat chamber shape prevents flame propagation from reaching all the areas in the chamber leading to a partial mis-fire condition which reduces power, fuel efficiency and causes high emissions.* *Adding more plugs is only a bandage on a much more serious flaw inherent in the Wankel design... the shape of the Wankel engine does not allow a modern "quench" or high swirl chamber architecture and this is the primary reason why the Wankel engine is obsolete now.*
For a "new" engine those coolant galleys look awfully congested. Is that normal given the life of the engine? I give my FD a coolant flush every 5000k's and it never comes out brown.
This is why it pays to premix rotary after rebuild don't rev over 5 thousand rpm for the 1200 k possibly didnt use vasaline on start up. Worn from first start up
To actually answer your question, yes, they have been in heavy use for a while now. There are quite a few manufacturers, and their major advantages are fuel economy and much better reliability and durability than reciprocating engines.
*An interesting theory but not one supported by the facts, most of the scam companies selling Wankel UAV engines are defunct now... now that all the shady up-starts are out of business, the real, reliable dependable engine manufacturers have solidified the market place with superior reciprocating engines.*
Multiple carbs on a POS rotary with an almost non-existent "vacuum signal" AND the worst possible carbs for low vacuum and "high performance" to boot? No wonder that "build" leaned out, heated up and melted down. Only way to guarantee a "high performance" rotary "build" to need a "rebuild" sooner is to think and pretend it's "like a 2-cycle" and put "oil in the gas" for "reliability".
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The owner is tripping hard to say only driven 50km .... too much things show a descent amount km... Biggest giveaway is the water passages... its all corroded... it takes a fair few thousand of km to corrode that bad
It was prob fairly corroded when it got slapped together. We also don't know how long it's been since thrown together time wise. It may have been over a couple of years- if no corrosion inhibitor it'll corrode all the alloy parts
I think everyone can see this, point is it was driven 50km since the last rebuild, obviously the last rebuild used plenty of parts that should never have made their way back into an engine.
Yeah you guys are probably correct... the engine builder probably didnt clean up the previous orange water passages when rebuilding.... but farout that is some hardcore corrosion Gunk ? Surly he would of cleaned it when rebuilding ?
@@jmoore9806 its pretty crazy huh, I mean I haven't built any rotors, I have pulled a few apart and have built several piston engines at work, and the disparity between the condition of some parts being near new and some other parts being terribly worn and/or corroded says to me the last build was not very long ago, and used plenty of trash parts.
@@ryanworkman5229 yesh that could be the case... builder didnt use new parts... Also the water passages that are very Orange and gunkd up only happens when cars run no coolant and the owner runs the car with low water levels and water starts boiling with aluminum and corrodes start to happen....its very very hard to get water passages that Orange when running coolant.... coolant is anti corrosive and will take up to 10 years for orange passage to happen.... I just started my wrx for the first time in 12months.... it had no coolant in it....so when i pull it apart i will confirm if no coolant in the radiator system will cause corrosion
There was one of those long bolts missing. Basically, when all of those bolts are torqued down, they squeeze all of the housings together like a sandwich. If there's a spot with missing torque, all your gasses and fluid can escape from the resulting gap.
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You did the tear down in the wrong order and the wrong manner. this engine was over revved and the oil metering pump is not supplying enough oil. Another problem is the missing tension bolt as noted and the engine was run with just water in the cooling system instead of a 50-50 mix of coolant and water. The builder didn't know what he was doing. Lots of damage due to poor build and abuse.
People make lots of excuses for why these engines fail so often and easily... the truth is that Wankel engines are inherently weak and unreliable. There is nothing that can be done to make them as durable and reliable as a reciprocating engine.
If your engine builder did THIS bad of a job, would YOU trust him again with a do- over? Even thou it should have been free, sometimes it's just not worth it. Cut his loses and try again with someone else. Seen customers do it with other shops before coming to ours
Broomy strips down a Mazda 13B rotary engine to see why it has lost compression. How to rebuild a rotary bridge port engine th-cam.com/video/sjiYSDZukwQ/w-d-xo.html
Who the (expletives deleted) rebuilds an engine with old bearings?!? What's Australian for "ignorant 'mechanic' who is going out of business really soon"?
@@fullboost Plain babbit-metal bearings are cheap. Doing another rebuild because someone cheaped out and didn't replace seals and bearings and gaskets isn't.
Second hand bearings are often used in rotary engines not to save money, but becauyse they recieve so little wear they can take a long time to wear in. A seal is a more common failure point than a bearing.
@JP Onefourseven *Yeah, but the old 13B naturally aspirated is a gutless turd... yes, they ran longer albeit with little to no compression or power after 50k miles.*
@@doktorbimmer What other 30 year old 1.3L carby engine makes over 200hp with just a bit of porting? Sure they won't last as long as a piston engine if used for normal driving around but they have no problem being driven hard every day. Which is why they are a good choice of engine for a sports car, not so much a daily driver.
@JP Onefourseven *What 1.3 liter are you referring to??? Mazda has never produced a 200 hp 1.3 liter and the 13b engine has a actual, true displacement of 3.9 liter... when compared to a 720° firing order reciprocating engine it is still considered a 2.6 liter.* *If they were a good choice for sports cars? why did they sell so poorly and have to be discontinued????*
Why people still do run rotary engines even if they know how unreliable they are? Yes, they are light and sound like heaven but there should be a better answer...
@ChrisHallett83 i agreed with you up until the 200000k's bit. I disagree with THAT. Maybe if it never got a hard time, never ran a single 1/4mile or had anyone at all have any fun in the car then maybe, just maybe it might go 150000. But what would be the fun in that?!? 😌
@ChrisHallett83 Please explain the reliability, efficiency and expensive rebuild in detail. Include apex seals that fail, poor fuel economy and emissions due to combustion chamber shape, not conducive of proper burning of fuel and total loss oil system. Where can I get a cheap good quality rebuild for a Renesas 13B that someone knows how to do properly?
Not really, I have only been a mechanic for 6 years. But I do know that if you do a bad job building an engine, it usually won't turn out well whether it is rotary or piston.
@@JeremyPetho Indeed, sounds like you still have a lot to learn, in particular why this type of engine is obsolete. The Wankel engine is no longer manufactured in series production anywhere in the world.
It is obsolete because it is not suited for meeting current emission regulations and it does not have much appeal to the general population. But it is a good performance engine for car enthusiasts who are not after an economical engine for their daily driven car, which is why parts continue to be made.
To be honest, when the video started i thought that the presenter talked to much... but after i completed watching the entire video I'm actually glad i kept watching and i realized that everything he said was very important. So BIG thumbs up!!👍👍 Great work! I would really like to see the repaired and finished parts before and after assembly
When it looks this easy you know the fellow is well versed...
Tiny magnet comes in handy when taking out the side seals and corner seals 👍
IF it sticks... then there is an issue.
By the look of the (New) engine it's been over heated the water jackets are full of red oxide rust ..and Burnt to a Crisp antifreeze looks like crystal rocks..I like the fact you removed the oil pump like you did..I do it the same way it's a lot easier..thanks for sharing the video
Nice work broomy! Man I would be furious if I paid for a engine rebuild and they didn’t build what you paid for!
I know nothing about rotary motors but this taught me alot 👍
I just tore down a flooded 13b. As in there was water in it and siezed. There are a few small chatter marks away from the compression side. Going to clean and inspect rotors tomorrow. Probably going to smooth some things out by hand and put it back together with new seals b/c I want to see what the limits are on a cheap revival.
how'd that turn out?
I love your rotary engine videos
50kms, nice. Buddy works at a turbo refurb place, their record holder managed 700 meters (!) with a blocked oil drain.
Damn !!!! That has got to hurt !
How much of that distance is during a burnout?
Which lebo built this motor own up habib ?
maybe apprentice
It's obviously fully sick...
Very informative video. This is a great intro to rotary inspection!
*Wankel autopsy...*
That motor wasn't rebuilt it was "assembled" lol.
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What the living hell man?!?!? No through bolt, the chatter on both housings and that front rotor, OMG. 😡😡 Good on you Broomy for trying to rectify that epic screw up from the previous builder. 👍 That is pretty much a name and shame job there, just horrific.
My rx8 isn’t super fast but it’s not slow but they are good for sound systems and not the weak ass Bose system I’m running 2 10” 500 watt system and it hits hard
Seems each rotors need 6 side seals + 3 Apex seals = 9 seals to have leak proof compression. (Plus maybe corner seals.) Any thoughts on seals in comparison to piston rings?
"Leak proof compression"? Even with pistons much less rotors and "housings"? And "seals" that are in constant motion and varying "tension" in aluminum "housings" which are not the same as "cylinders" in a piston engine period and IF THEY WERE AND ARE THAT WOULD PROVE ROTARIES ARE "DISPOSABLE" AND NOT "REBUILDABLE" SINCE EACH AND EVERY PISTON ENGINE WITH ALUMINUM CYLINDERS IS "DISPOSABLE" AND AT BEST "REBUILDABLE" ONLY IF AND WHEN IT HAS AN ALUMINUM PISTON AND THE CYLINDER BLOCK IS BORED AND HONED OR REPLACED SUCH AS THE "TOP END" OF 2-STROKE ENGINES?
WANT TO KNOW MY THOUGHTS ON YOUR "QUESTION" ABOUT ROTARY "SEALS" BEING SYNONYMOUS WITH PISTON RINGS?
MY THOUGHT - I ONLY HAVE ONE - IS THAT ANYONE THAT ASKS THAT QUESTION PROBABLY BELIEVES IN "LEAK-FREE COMPRESSION" AND WHO KNOWS WHAT OTHER MECHANICAL "UNICORNS" AND IS A DREAM "CUSTOMER" FOR 'ROTARY EXPERTS" AND THEIR ROTARY-SPECIFIC "GOODS AND SERVICES" AND SHOULD BY ALL MEANS STICK TO "SIMPLE" AND "EASY TO BUILD" ROTARIES WHERE THE FIRING ORDERS NEVER EXCEED THE NUMBER OF FINGERS ON ONE HAND WITH THEIR THUMB LEFT OVER FOR HITCHING RIDES AND/OR SUCKING WHILE HAVING A GOOD CRY IN THE PRIVACY OF MOM'S BASEMENT WHEN THEIR ROTARY "RACER" NEEDS "REBUILT" EVERY TIME THEIR "TUNE" SOMEHOW "CHANGES" AND "COMPRESSION" DROPS A WHOPPING 5% "COLD" AND SUDDENLY THEIR "SIMPLE" AND "EASY TO BUILD" AND "HIGH PERFORMANCE" AND "HIGH TECH" ROTARY WON'T "RUN RIGHT". OR LEFT. OR FORWARD. OR BACKWARD. AND IT'S ANOTHER "TOW" BACK TO MOM'S HOUSE AND THE INTERNET ROTORHEAD "EXPERTS" AND ALL THEIR "FIXES" FOR A "WEAK" OR "TIRED" OR "WORN OUT" ROTARY THAT NEEDS "REBUILT" MORE OFTEN THAN AN "UPGRADED" AND "TUNED" AND "BIG-BORED" 2-STROKE "DIRT BIKE" USED AND RIDDEN AND TREATED LIKE AN "ENDURO".
Buiders like the prev. Is what gives rotary engines a bad rap..😞😤
A badrap brap brap brap?😂
*Yeah, Mazda earned a very bad reputation which is why they no longer sell these unreliable engines... Mazda only sells car with reciprocating engines now.*
@Leon Jones *_BULLSHIT!_** That old false urban myth was busted years ago by the NHTSA recall investigation... Mazda stopped producing them because PEOPLE STOPPED BUYING THEM... sales of RX models steadily declined from as early as 1986 and both the RX-7 FD and the RX-8 were major flops that did not sell enough units to turn a profit. Wankel engine have a well earned notorious reputation for poor performance, horrible fuel economy and premature engine failure due to compression loss.*
@Leon Jones *Your childish insults expose you for what you really are... a troll, a liar and a fake... Please stop posting false information and lies.*
@Leon Jones All you got going for is childish insults. Doktor is right. Rotaries are unreliable as fuck.
For the housing sleeves, how many thousandths can you machine/hone off before you have to replace it? And how do you measure how much is left when you have no choice but to resleeve, like if its already been machined?
Looks to be an RX-5 keg or at least the housings are from an RX-5
Also unsure why someone thought it was a good idea to use 3B irons and R5 irons on the same engine. R5 are nitrided while 3B ones aren't unless it was resurfaced and then nitrided
*Shut up Nate... you are no expert. You are nothing but an amateur hack.*
Water seals are in the iron, so it's 2nd gen or later.
+doktorbimmer And here you are, making every post in bold.
Pot, meet the kettle. He's African-American.
*Do you buy your oil cooler mounting brackets at Walmart like Nate does too?*
*_Nate when are you going to admit you are gay????_*
Another excellent vid. Keep up the good work. Best channel on TH-cam.
We're the covers over the exhaust port just for transport?
Aside from the missing elephant (bolt), you mentioned the engine sat for a while before being installed... is it possible it was run up when built which cleared all the assembly lube then because it sat first startup and 50km could have done most of that damage?
That could be part of the issue. I suspect it was thrown together with some pretty junk parts and this 50km story seems a bit suss considering a few obvious signs of age and wear/tear type things. Maybe it wasn't all clean when build and was essentially thrown together with left over parts someone had lying around in someone's shed
*Its pretty obvious by the condition of the outside of the engine and the cleanliness that its did last long enough to even break-in... 50 kilometers and this turd was done.*
thanks guys. u guys are awesome
Really wonderful work very good
That gold wear mark in the bearings, I was told that shows up after ~100,000km....old bearings...
That really varies depending on sll sorts of things bro. It deff shows significant wear
Wow, some mechanics give the rest of us a bad name. Nice vid guys 👍
I know, right! Prob some kind of back- yarder thou... A lot of them on the internet selling their "wares"! 😁
*Well, if you are wasting your time on these pathetic, completely obsolete engines??? You give every real automotive enthusiast a bad name.*
What is that cordlesss 3/8 ratchet that takes a dewalt battery?
Really interesting video guys! Good work.
Great vid guys i dont know why its so hard to build a rotor or dismantle one
*Bad design, no longer used or manufactured anywhere in the world because they are inferior to reciprocating engines.*
It is difficult, yes, if both your hands are decapitated.
*True building and dismantling them is easy... the hard part is getting one to last as long as reciprocating engines!*
*True building and dismantling them is easy... the hard part is getting one to last as long as reciprocating engines!*
i see your still getting mum to drive you around
I told Biff to put all the bolts in! not just some. Wow!
Thanks for a awesome video!
Do you think i can just replace my water seals? Engine is rebuilt with upgraded seals. Puffing some smoke.
Trying to keep costs down due to personal reasons
Whats the purpose of having 2 spark plugs per rotor? I noticed the two holes on the inside of the case is also a different size.
Might not be 100 percent correct, but its to light the fuel/air mixture evenly in the relatively long but narrow combustion chamber, and IIRC each plug is timed separately rather than both igniting at the same time.
@@Moore91 that makes sense. also realized that the case almost creates a "bridge" across the rotor when it is at full compression, almost dividing the rotor so it makes sense to have two plugs firing at slightly different times.
*That is exactly why there are 2 plugs, the combustion chamber essentially divides in two at Top dead center. also, the long flat chamber shape prevents flame propagation from reaching all the areas in the chamber leading to a partial mis-fire condition which reduces power, fuel efficiency and causes high emissions.*
*Adding more plugs is only a bandage on a much more serious flaw inherent in the Wankel design... the shape of the Wankel engine does not allow a modern "quench" or high swirl chamber architecture and this is the primary reason why the Wankel engine is obsolete now.*
Boomy's done this before... What the name of the shop?
*Ringwood Mazda*
Will you video measuring everything up?
No. Just incase it only lasts 50km!!! LOL! 😅That's that legendary rotary reliability we all know and love
excellent video on the tear down Broomy! how do we get our engines to you so they can go in the black box ?
Nathan Cooke www.rotaryracecars.com.au
@@BackyardMechanics i.imgur.com/qfZRcJ7.png down for me?
Nathan Cooke I’ll fix it. In the mean time www.mrparts.com.au or facebook.com/RotaryRaceCars
Nathan Cooke back up now
One time I saw an e36 actually driving itself rather than on a tow truck.
Good content bros.
Nice one broom
Fuck i want a garage where i can build engines all day
You're beating up those chrome sockets on that impact, get a set of 3/8 impact sockets for it. Gearwrench has a set on Amazon for mad cheap.
*Throw that crap engine in the scrap heap and buy an LS engine.*
when did a ls powered car ever win a international 24hr race ?
@@MrShaka1965 The C6R had a few class wins at the 24 hours of Le Mans.
@MrShaka1965 *Chevrolet Small block engine won the 1969 Daytona 24 hours.*
Gaytona is for armatures and for yanks to think its an international comp lol.anyway ;ts not an ls
Vapour blasting?
For a "new" engine those coolant galleys look awfully congested. Is that normal given the life of the engine?
I give my FD a coolant flush every 5000k's and it never comes out brown.
Lawson Palmer it’s not dirty or blocked, it’s just ‘stained’
What’s the year of the engine?
*Obsolete junk!*
Hey mate very nice video...
first time i've seen one of these come apart. interestingly basic
*Fundamentally unreliable... obsolete technology that is no longer produced anywhere in the world.*
So bad housing, just become boat anchors? or it's not worth the time and process to rehab them?
what about a motor cycle ????
This is why it pays to premix rotary after rebuild don't rev over 5 thousand rpm for the 1200 k possibly didnt use vasaline on start up. Worn from first start up
Very true. And may have been a dry start up
*Premixing a Wankel engine with a functioning injection pump is monumentally stupid... Mazda does not recommend premixing because its dumb...*
you still here.i thought your mum picked you up ages ago
@MrShaka1965 *Have you been down to your local Mazda dealer lately... go check out the new RX models??? **_Lol!!!_*
@@MrShaka1965 don't feed the troll he just sits behind the desk in his basement yelling at his mum to get his fat hand out of the Pringles can.
Love rotary content YESSSS yeaaaaaazzzzz
Well, give the owner another 50km and we'll do it all again! Love that legendary rotory reliability! LOL! 😭
@@danielbrealey2924 the quality of the build will be its reliability as shown from the teardown he got lucky with 50km xD
@@TriniRogue LOL- I know what you mean. I'm a qualified mechanic... Build A LOT of engines
The moral of this story is, don't leave your vehicles engine sit idle. You need to start it regularly.
*The moral of the story is don't buy Wankel engines... they are fragile and unreliable.*
50km or 50,000?
owners nightmare
Anyone know if the rotarys the US is using for military drones is perfected?
*Most military drones use reciprocating engines now, BRP-Rotax GmbH & Co KG. is world's #1 supplier of UAV and ultra-light engines.*
To actually answer your question, yes, they have been in heavy use for a while now. There are quite a few manufacturers, and their major advantages are fuel economy and much better reliability and durability than reciprocating engines.
*An interesting theory but not one supported by the facts, most of the scam companies selling Wankel UAV engines are defunct now... now that all the shady up-starts are out of business, the real, reliable dependable engine manufacturers have solidified the market place with superior reciprocating engines.*
Multiple carbs on a POS rotary with an almost non-existent "vacuum signal" AND the worst possible carbs for low vacuum and "high performance" to boot?
No wonder that "build" leaned out, heated up and melted down.
Only way to guarantee a "high performance" rotary "build" to need a "rebuild" sooner is to think and pretend it's "like a 2-cycle" and put "oil in the gas" for "reliability".
That engines never been rebuilt, its just a used/worn engine with a few new outer parts fitted..
*Mazda had the same problems with brand new engines... that's why they dropped Wankels like a bad habit over 7 years ago!!!!*
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@@therealdokoterbimmerrotary6751 wow look around BLACK TROLLING HE MUST BE MAD
Only 50kms and the oil looked that bad?
The owner is tripping hard to say only driven 50km .... too much things show a descent amount km...
Biggest giveaway is the water passages... its all corroded... it takes a fair few thousand of km to corrode that bad
It was prob fairly corroded when it got slapped together. We also don't know how long it's been since thrown together time wise. It may have been over a couple of years- if no corrosion inhibitor it'll corrode all the alloy parts
I think everyone can see this, point is it was driven 50km since the last rebuild, obviously the last rebuild used plenty of parts that should never have made their way back into an engine.
Yeah you guys are probably correct... the engine builder probably didnt clean up the previous orange water passages when rebuilding.... but farout that is some hardcore corrosion Gunk ? Surly he would of cleaned it when rebuilding ?
@@jmoore9806 its pretty crazy huh, I mean I haven't built any rotors, I have pulled a few apart and have built several piston engines at work, and the disparity between the condition of some parts being near new and some other parts being terribly worn and/or corroded says to me the last build was not very long ago, and used plenty of trash parts.
@@ryanworkman5229 yesh that could be the case... builder didnt use new parts...
Also the water passages that are very Orange and gunkd up only happens when cars run no coolant and the owner runs the car with low water levels and water starts boiling with aluminum and corrodes start to happen....its very very hard to get water passages that Orange when running coolant.... coolant is anti corrosive and will take up to 10 years for orange passage to happen....
I just started my wrx for the first time in 12months.... it had no coolant in it....so when i pull it apart i will confirm if no coolant in the radiator system will cause corrosion
Broken rotary engine tear down....in other words, a Tuesday for a rotary owner. (lol, jk)
I am not a rotary guy, what was missing @7:30?
One of the bolts
*Also missing was its compression...*
There was one of those long bolts missing. Basically, when all of those bolts are torqued down, they squeeze all of the housings together like a sandwich. If there's a spot with missing torque, all your gasses and fluid can escape from the resulting gap.
Did he say that the engine failed after 50km
*Yes, it is not unusual for these Wankel engines to fail prematurely.*
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You did the tear down in the wrong order and the wrong manner. this engine was over revved and the oil metering pump is not supplying enough oil. Another problem is the missing tension bolt as noted and the engine was run with just water in the cooling system instead of a 50-50 mix of coolant and water. The builder didn't know what he was doing. Lots of damage due to poor build and abuse.
People make lots of excuses for why these engines fail so often and easily... the truth is that Wankel engines are inherently weak and unreliable.
There is nothing that can be done to make them as durable and reliable as a reciprocating engine.
Just curious, why didn’t your customer take it back to the first engine builder? Did they have a falling out or what. 50kms is bugger all
If your engine builder did THIS bad of a job, would YOU trust him again with a do- over? Even thou it should have been free, sometimes it's just not worth it. Cut his loses and try again with someone else. Seen customers do it with other shops before coming to ours
He said that the customer bought the engine and didn't use it until some years later.
i cant believe they left out 1 bolt... cheating bastards...
Broomy strips down a Mazda 13B rotary engine to see why it has lost compression.
How to rebuild a rotary bridge port engine
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Rotary engine no piston?
*It is a Wankel engine... completely different from a Rotary engine.*
Correct. No pistons.
Unless you keep getting it confused with an obscure engine that went out of use more than a century ago.
*Every Wankel KKM engine has at least one piston.... **_ITS RIGHT IN THE NAME DUMMY!!!!!_*
Only 31.000 miles.You can buy billet rotors know but they are pricey
3 decimal places of precision, eh? You must know the whole story behind that engine.
*These are not the smart automobile enthusiasts that are buying a Mazda RX...*
wow im not sure mom's going to pick you up at all now. are you goining to be ok on your own.
@MrShaka1965 *Mom knows more about cars than you do son...*
Who the (expletives deleted) rebuilds an engine with old bearings?!? What's Australian for "ignorant 'mechanic' who is going out of business really soon"?
It's common practice, they don't wear like in a piston engine.
@@fullboost Plain babbit-metal bearings are cheap. Doing another rebuild because someone cheaped out and didn't replace seals and bearings and gaskets isn't.
Second hand bearings are often used in rotary engines not to save money, but becauyse they recieve so little wear they can take a long time to wear in. A seal is a more common failure point than a bearing.
That engine blew due to the last builder!
*Really? Because Mazda was have very similar problems with their engines too.*
@@doktorbimmer The problems were with the Renesis engine in the RX-8. Nothing wrong with the old 13B engine.
@JP Onefourseven *Yeah, but the old 13B naturally aspirated is a gutless turd... yes, they ran longer albeit with little to no compression or power after 50k miles.*
@@doktorbimmer What other 30 year old 1.3L carby engine makes over 200hp with just a bit of porting?
Sure they won't last as long as a piston engine if used for normal driving around but they have no problem being driven hard every day. Which is why they are a good choice of engine for a sports car, not so much a daily driver.
@JP Onefourseven *What 1.3 liter are you referring to??? Mazda has never produced a 200 hp 1.3 liter and the 13b engine has a actual, true displacement of 3.9 liter... when compared to a 720° firing order reciprocating engine it is still considered a 2.6 liter.*
*If they were a good choice for sports cars? why did they sell so poorly and have to be discontinued????*
Whomever did the previous rebuild on that motor was a shady character and did not give the customer a fair shake.
It's been cooked
how much money did he paid for his 50 km engine
*What ever the price? these engines are not worth the bother.*
hows the savings going.have you sat for your learners yet
@MrShaka1965 *Excellent! I went down to the Mazda dealer to buy a new RX but they told me they stopped making those POS cars years ago.... **_Lol!!!_*
That chain was loose af man. If that were a timing chain on a real motor I'd be calling it fucked!
Hint hint @carthrottle
Going to break a key/keyway???? U just lost credibility.
Subaru owners must be feeling at least 55 percent better about thier engines.
If you don't wear gloves, then all sorts of toxic substances accumulate in your body.
You don't want some nasty liver cancer.
Take care.
I build piston engines and I coulda told previous builder it's all fucked
Why people still do run rotary engines even if they know how unreliable they are? Yes, they are light and sound like heaven but there should be a better answer...
They love them ? Just like other love rb's or jz's
@@stefan-stocksmadesimple5241 But those are pretty much reliable...
they get a bad wrap from the people that cut corners when building them
And also using sub standard accessories and ECUs
@@millerchassis6119 Yes, if built and maintained properly they last
@ChrisHallett83 i agreed with you up until the 200000k's bit. I disagree with THAT. Maybe if it never got a hard time, never ran a single 1/4mile or had anyone at all have any fun in the car then maybe, just maybe it might go 150000. But what would be the fun in that?!? 😌
Don't know why people bother with rotary engines? Bad efficiency, poor reliability, high emissions and an expensive pain in the arse to rebuilt.
@ChrisHallett83 Or no fucking idea in general.
@@keithrx3c Said the dolt Bogan.
@ChrisHallett83 Please explain the reliability, efficiency and expensive rebuild in detail. Include apex seals that fail, poor fuel economy and emissions due to combustion chamber shape, not conducive of proper burning of fuel and total loss oil system. Where can I get a cheap good quality rebuild for a Renesas 13B that someone knows how to do properly?
@@shanemitchell5807 Refer to my previous comment above.
Said the dolt Bogan.
These engines are total garbage
Any engine is garbage if you don't build it right
@@JeremyPetho You don't know much about engines do you kid?
Not really, I have only been a mechanic for 6 years. But I do know that if you do a bad job building an engine, it usually won't turn out well whether it is rotary or piston.
@@JeremyPetho Indeed, sounds like you still have a lot to learn, in particular why this type of engine is obsolete.
The Wankel engine is no longer manufactured in series production anywhere in the world.
It is obsolete because it is not suited for meeting current emission regulations and it does not have much appeal to the general population.
But it is a good performance engine for car enthusiasts who are not after an economical engine for their daily driven car, which is why parts continue to be made.