gasoline leaks from tanks and fuel lines and gasoline vapors will both destroy your house too and gasoline caused car fires are much more common. Imagine a meteor or lightning comes thru the sky and hits your family having a picnic in the park, its RARE and there's no perfect anything. 3% of the gas powered car accidents have a fire. This would suggest that 2.4 to 3.0 million car fire accidents for the 12-year-life of 250 million car cohort (2008-2020). This would be 0.9 to 1.2% of gasoline or diesel cars will have a fire accident over the life of the vehicle.
@@HobbyOrganist thousands of gallons of water trying to put the EV fires out over a four hour period then they can reignite as they produce their own oxygen and other flammable gasses. But then I fully understand your defensive position with you having been obviously duped into paying an exorbitant sum of money for an EV that loses half its value in one year.
@@HobbyOrganist Yes but think about the poor black children in Africa descending down into the mines unprotected and barefoot endangering and shortening their lives so you can feel like you’re “doing something for the planet.” Not to mention the first responders wasted efforts trying to extinguish one of these rolling toxic fire hazards. Guess they can just put the toxic charred remains next to the unrecyclable wind turbine blades piling up across the landscape. I guess that’s polluting the environment in a “green” way?
@@HobbyOrganist Theyre only more common because there are a lot more of them than ev's. And most of them are from old poorly maintained vehicles. Very few will simply cook off in your garage etc just because gasoline can combust. That is completely different from an EV which can cook off like this did just because LI battery technology is an unstable tech. And you can't put it out like you can a normal gasoline car fire with water. So for example, if you have one of these frying itself in your garage you're garden hose,or the local fire department, will be of no use.
Yes, just like ICE cars, 10'000 of which catch fire every year in the UK (around 300 per day). The NTSB in the recorded 190'000 ICE car fires in the US during 2022. What's even *more* shocking, is that you've fallen for the hype in the press that has you convinced this happens a lot.....
@Brian-om2hh ICE cars may catch fire...but when they do they don't burn down parking structures , cargo ships, and houses in the process. The one parking structure at an airport in the UK... it spontaneously combusted and burnt through the concrete and metal floor, dropped to the lower level and destroyed all the cars in the garage. Only a li-ion battery fire can burn hot enough to melt steel rebar reinforced concrete. I researched it.
@@Brian-om2hh It's called simple math. How many ICE cars are on the road and how many EV's? Yea I thought so. ICE car fires can be put out quickly, EV's will burn for days emitting TOXIC fumes because firefighters gave up trying to put them out when they catch fire for no reason. They are far worse for the environment and cause much more damage to everything around them when they decide to randomly combust TRAPPING passengers inside..
You can’t put these fires out with water. In some cases it makes it worse. The recent sea water flooding in Florida caused some EVs to catch fire due to short circuits apparently.
Even a young person can not get out there because the electricity is turned off and you can't open the door or windows. Bye, bye you just saved the world.
@@andrewbarker3210Unlikely, as EVs are much heavier then ICE cars. The battery weighs a lot. Unless a lightweight battery is made there is no chance of E-airplains.
One of the toxins (and there are many) released when these batteries burn is hydrogen cyanide, as used in nazi gas chambers in ww2, so best not to get downwind of one...
Yes. The main things that burn are the plastics and rubber in the vehicle trim. That provide ~4 times as much energy as was in the battery and/or gasoline tank. Source: th-cam.com/video/yj76SXMr_ok/w-d-xo.html LASH-fire seminar regarding Ro-Ro hazards of vehicles on the car deck.
So is it not possible for ICE cars to catch fire on the motorway at all? Around 10'000 petrol and diesel cars do catch fire each year in Britain, so some of them surely must be on the motorway when they do.....
Look into the VW car transporter that went up. They lost pretty much the entire inventory on the whole ship. EVs are just another control mechanism to take away all of our freedoms. For God's sake WAKE UP PEOPLE!
I wouldn't even consider getting an ev. At least until they start including a fire suppression system that can stop this quickly. There are more downsides to ev's than positives.
You can’t put suspension system over the battery, it will make the car thicker than a bus to achieve it in a safety standard. They designed the car to be compact because it’s lined with battery closely in the entire floor.
Sure, these EV fires are incredibly "rare" which is why we see new ones plastered all over the internet every day. That's why two shiploads of thousands of cars were destroyed by run away thermal events that are sooooo "rare". These EV vehicles will disappear when the insurance companies refuse to insure them because of these "rare" fires. One of these days an EV on a ferry boat is going to do this and a couple of thousand people are going into the water.
The system is too invested in the tech ... for the moment... insurance companies will be bought off. The system NEEDS this tech to meet their initial objectives. This is why you're not seeing any push back from the govts. In an historic world, just a small % of the fires would have ceased activity, just as the huge number of Divoc jabs adverse reactions would have ceased those as well. The system doesn't want to stop .. so there is no stopping.
Oh, they will lie and try to hide it was an EV. Like they always do. Thinking we are too stupid to see the big picture. And when propaganda fails they will ban discussion of the problem.
Gotta say these EV’s seem so good for the environment. I’m so glad we keep getting more and more politicians in charge and running things. They really do seem to be the specialists in charge of our environment. That was a sarcastic comment for those who still don’t know and put their trust in climate agenda politicians who really wouldn’t know how to change a light bulb.
Well said. Here in Kenya the president is really trying to sell this agenda. And the EV's being sold here are mainly from China. Needless to say, we don't have a very efficient fire extinguishing service... Can you imagine the catastrophes we will see here?😢
But nowhere near as many as ICE car fires. Around 190'000 ICE cars were recorded by the NTSB as having caught fire in the US during 2022. Around 300 petrol and diesel cars catch fire in Britain every day.....
@@Brian-om2hh Firstly, there are still way fewer EV's than ICE vehicles on the road at the moment so the figures mean nothing, and secondly, at least an ICE vehicle fire can be extinguished reasonably safely and quickly. I mean FOUR HOURS to put out a burning van?
Insurance is going to rocket, not only for EVs but house & third party cover as well. I built some EVs in the early '70s when lead acid battery fumes were hard to cope with but these lithium batteries generate their own oxygen to fuel the fire for hours so water has zero effect apart from cooling the immediate environment. re. the Dutch oven car ferry.
Not sure you are correct that lithium batteries generate their own oxygen, they generate hydrogen. 2Li (s) + 2H2O (l) -> 2LiOH (aq) + H2 (g) So Lithium metal + water gives Lithium Hydroxide + hydrogen gas. Hydrogen is very inflammable, Oxygen is not inflammable but helps other materials burn. (Sorry I cannot do subscript in TH-cam comments)
Houses and parking lot where those EVs frequent would see their insurance premium shoots up higher than those black toxic fumes from that burning EV in the video.
insurance is going to stop paying out on EV fires in your house, even if it's the manufacturers fault, and the governments will protect the manufacturers
@@steveb3885 - I beg to differ. Read your insurance HO policy. There are currently no exclusions applicable fires caused to a dwelling as a result of an EV fire. Denial of coverage would be considered "bad faith" in Texas anyway.
Then it would happen same thing as in car park in Stavanger 2020, Liverpool 2017 or Luton, few weeks ago. Except cause of fire would be EV, not diesel.
You should see the one in S Korea where it shot out 30+ foot flames. Different vehicle, but the battery also went into thermal runaway. Also interesting, according to the video uploader, it most likely had LFP batteries, which are "safer" than others such as NCM.
I wise people would take off their blindfolds and see how dangerous and polluting EVs are, from the manufacturing of batteries to the toxic fumes of them bursting into flames. It's a fact that you have to run a EV for 8 years to get to neutral carbon footprint without any mishaps .
It isn't a "fact" at all. It was a "fact" based on flawed data, which neither included the Co2 emissions created in pumping oil out of the ground *before* it even reaches a refinery, nor did it take into consideration the fact that older EV batteries can be 95% recycled, with the lithium and cobalt being 90% recovered to be reused. Is anyone recycling and reusing old burned petrol and diesel? That "study" came from Volvo, who happily continued to produce electric cars, even after publishing it..and have even released more new EV models since..... Why do you suppose that is?
@@SuperBartet This truth also applies to regular automobiles with combustion engine, Point of EV was its cheap “fuel” price compare to fossil fuel ones.
@@MP-vc4nu The seriousness, and pollution from a EV fire is on a completely different level, when you compare it with a ICE fire, just look up all the dangerous and extremely explosive gas's from a EV fire. And if the point of a EV is cheap fuel, that is not true, there are plenty of EV vers ICE road trip video's that prove that point.
Fires like this are rare now, but once the roads are full of these EV's the fires will be more common place, you cant change this chemistry it is what it is, and it seems like Governments are looking the other way, that should make us all question the push for EVs.
You have no clue what you're talking about. What you saw in this video was old Battery Technology going up in flames. Most EV manufacturers have already moved away from using these type of Lithium-ion batteries, to way safer batteries, that even if in a crash, punctured or drilled into won't catch fire. Unlike ICE vehicles, which even after over 100 Years of development, still carry around a highly explosive liquid.
@@grumpusmaximus9446 The incident happened you cant deny that, you believe this new technology is safer, I truly don't, ICE fires can be put out successfully by fire fighters, you cant say that about all the EV's on the roads today, simple as that, Brand new German cars with no damage are burning up on ships, so much for new technology.
@@rbnhd1144 Ahhhh. If you happen to be referring to the Freemantle Highway fire off of Holland, the Salvor has now unloaded all the cars on board. Including all the EVs. They drove off the EVs, as NONE OF THEM had burned. So it was presumably NOT an EV that started the fire. Other Car Carriers have caught fire and sunk. However, they are still at the bottom of the sea, so the cause of the fires have not been established. So while it Might have been an EV, it also might NOT.
once this happens under a shopping centre and 1500 people claim permanent injury from the smoke/vapours from these toxic nightmares [ was that the plan all along china?] insurance companies will not even insure them or the places where they park/gather/charge , this is a litigation rich environment and the insurers will run for the hills before it bankrupts them, and they wont do that for "the narrative" ev's will save the planet , dont get me started on that bit of gaslighting...
Yet the fact you have 10 to 15 gallons of highly volatile and explosive liquid in a tank ten feet behind you, where someone could theoretically smash into it doesn't bother you at all then? How about the fact this highly volatile liquid being pumped the length of the vehicle, quite near the hot exhaust, to be fed into the engine just an arm's length or so from you, where thousands of little explosions are taking place?
You are right. Batteries are electro chemical reactions. That battery isn't analoge to the fuel tank, it's more of the engine. A chemical reactor. EVs would be 100% electrical if they had capacitors.
The thermal runaway is not so "rare" anymore since so many more batteries are out there. As more get involved in accidents alone we will see more thermal runaways. Then add in shortcuts in battery warehouses to save cost on production, ect. It will become much more commonplace on the road. This is when zero emission vehicles but out more pollution that what a single ice engine could do in a whole year.
@@aliceyoung828 Yup. Water doesn't help. Best way is to let it burn, because even if you manage to put out fire, later it can reignite. Sometimes even after few weeks.
You will have to submerge it in water for many days to extinguish it. In Denmark, and probably many other places, we have special containers with water that the fire brigade brings out in the event of a fire in electric cars. It has to sit in that container for several days before it is safe.
A car carrying ship went down because they couldn't contain the fire. EV fires aren't as rare as that would have you believe. EVs can reignite several times after being extinguished.
RoRo's keep catching fire. Even before EVs. And they are still catching fire. And it's rarely because of EVs. Great clickbait though. Catches the gullible (and other less discerning headline watchers).
In the interests of the safety of your family, and all other people……….. It is essential that you BOYCOTT ALL EVs ! These vehicles are potentially downright dangerous, and one of the most significant issues is that the Fire Brigade and other search and rescue services do not yet have a decent protocol in place with which they will handle these types of fires !!!
Oh, I doubt we'd still be using campers/motorhomes with batteries, as they'd only do 70 or 80 miles before running out of electric, much the same as how a battery car won't be any good for towing a caravan or trailer. In one 'fell swoop' killing off yet another flourishing type of business and touring holidays.
the forests in the surrounding area are cheering. They thought EV's will deplete carbon dioxide threatening their survival. But the plants thought wrong as it is a blessing in disguise!
Maybe EVs should have their own allocated parking areas away from i/c cars. Let them all park together, 'stigmatise' the things until they can guarantee that these fires will never happen.
2:04 Can you support claim that it has 90kWh LFP batteries? (although it is very vaguely written as "most commonly" use LFP) From what I read, they are only planning to start using LFP from 2024 in EQA and EQB. Also they will use it only in shorter range variants (or big trucks).
So on top of range anxiety there's thermal runaway On top of charging access shortages On top extra damage to the potholes due to the heavy battery. On top of bad cornering and extra tyre wear What's not to love besides the quiet ride..?
The system is too invested in the tech ... for the moment... insurance companies will be bought off. The system NEEDS this tech to meet their initial objectives. This is why you're not seeing any push back from the govts. In an historic world, just a small % of the fires would have ceased activity, just as the huge number of Divoc jabs adverse reactions would have ceased those as well. The system doesn't want to stop .. so there is no stopping.
What can we learn from this, one don't park your EV in a integral garage you may end up losing your home and your life , two don't park next one at a car park it may take your vehicle out, three run like hell when one goes like a roman candle. lol
Its just basic electrical engineering: The Lithium-Ion cells are being shorted creating heat which in turn causes more cells to be shorted in a cascade effect because of this the fire has to run its course and if the EV is adjacent other vehicles it will destroy them. An Internal Combustion Engine can be extinguished much quicker by starving the fire of oxygen . If this is not possible the fuel in the tank will soon be consumed therefore you will never have the problem of the extremely long 3-4 hour burn times of EVs.
The questions he didn't ask for people to stand up. he should have ask the following. 1. How many people live in a block of flats, or terraced houses where you cannot charge your cars. Where you have to rely on the public charging system. 2. How many charge their cars from their own driveway. 3. How many of you are living on the minimum wage. 4. How many of you work in the healthcare industry, nurses, care homes, carers. etc. 5. How many of the panel gain financially from telling you to buy electric cars.
I calculated and my estimation (based on the size of battery pack 66kWh) is that this car emitted around 83 tons of CO2 in this fire (this is without including the disposing the its wreck). it is super ecological and earth friendly result. is Mercedes going to buy some carbon credits to off sets that?? maybe that should be thrown onto its buyer/owner and they should pay for this this in carbon tax????
83 tons of CO2 would mean that the car (assumed that all the oxygen in the CO2 will come from the air) has to contain 22,6 tons of carbon. Everyone can see that this is not true as the Mercedes Vito (empty) only weights 2,3 tons, and surely most of that is metal.
Two Victorian (Australia) firefighters are permanently incapacitated due to breathing the smoke before they got their breathing apparatus on. DO NOT breathe the smoke. Though this will in future be unavoidable for every day people near a li-on battery fire. There will be a lot of sick people in the EV death/injury toll.
Thanks I did mention, I didn't know what part of Australia they were from, I'm planning on being the last Kiwi to buy one ,although I assume there are many want to be that
One Tesla went up in smoke some months ago, peak hour traffic on the Auckland harbour bridge, no accident, just turn to toast, I think was a new one but not sure, also in America one parked outside and torched a house a few months ago (a Mercedes loan car, not charging)
Ack, your literally sitting on those puppies. Oh dear. Ya think maybe this idea was not thoroughly tested before it was launched to the public? Sort of like that shot
@@LesD9 That is exactly what I was afraid of. Santa in Davos may well have done some engineering to the motor insurers not to differentiate EV accident statistics. Hideous.
They say that fires in EV's are no more common than in ICE cars. They fail to properly compare the age of the cars involved in these incidents. How many relatively new ICE cars go up in flames? Another point is how many ICE cars set on fire when the engine isn't running?
IC engined vehicles are less likely to catch fire than battery cars but diesel are less likely than petrol and yet all the ECO BS seems to be aimed at vilifying diesel, a fuel which not only takes less energy to make and yet gives better economy, but is less flammable. What a crazy World!
I own a Mercedes Vito Van and I recently went Switzerland in mine and had no problems at all. There again it is a 2006 2.1 ltr diesel. This dreadful fuel which we are told is so bad for us all. Well done Rishi Sunak, for pushing this ridiculous rush for battery cars further back to 2035, when hopefully the ECO idiots will realise, that batteries really are not the answer to any perceived environmental problem.
The "off gassing" prior to ignition is toxic, as are the fumes in the smoke. Imagine that in a confined space like an underground car park. Thank goodness this was in a comparatively isolated spot outdoors! It took the fire service 4hrs to extinguish this blaze, surely there's a more efficient method? Until there is, I would posit restrictions on where EV's are parked in relation to structures and other vehicles would be a good idea.
Imagine that in your garage, on a ferry, in a tunnel or a multi story car park near your family.
gasoline leaks from tanks and fuel lines and gasoline vapors will both destroy your house too and gasoline caused car fires are much more common.
Imagine a meteor or lightning comes thru the sky and hits your family having a picnic in the park, its RARE and there's no perfect anything.
3% of the gas powered car accidents have a fire. This would suggest that 2.4 to 3.0 million car fire accidents for the 12-year-life of 250 million car cohort (2008-2020). This would be 0.9 to 1.2% of gasoline or diesel cars will have a fire accident over the life of the vehicle.
@@HobbyOrganist thousands of gallons of water trying to put the EV fires out over a four hour period then they can reignite as they produce their own oxygen and other flammable gasses. But then I fully understand your defensive position with you having been obviously duped into paying an exorbitant sum of money for an EV that loses half its value in one year.
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@@HobbyOrganist Yes but think about the poor black children in Africa descending down into the mines unprotected and barefoot endangering and shortening their lives so you can feel like you’re “doing something for the planet.” Not to mention the first responders wasted efforts trying to extinguish one of these rolling toxic fire hazards. Guess they can just put the toxic charred remains next to the unrecyclable wind turbine blades piling up across the landscape. I guess that’s polluting the environment in a “green” way?
@@HobbyOrganist Theyre only more common because there are a lot more of them than ev's. And most of them are from old poorly maintained vehicles. Very few will simply cook off in your garage etc just because gasoline can combust. That is completely different from an EV which can cook off like this did just because LI battery technology is an unstable tech. And you can't put it out like you can a normal gasoline car fire with water. So for example, if you have one of these frying itself in your garage you're garden hose,or the local fire department, will be of no use.
What's shocking is that these are sold for public usage as if they're safe
It amazes me too ....safe...my arrs
Safe and effective
Yes, just like ICE cars, 10'000 of which catch fire every year in the UK (around 300 per day). The NTSB in the recorded 190'000 ICE car fires in the US during 2022. What's even *more* shocking, is that you've fallen for the hype in the press that has you convinced this happens a lot.....
@Brian-om2hh ICE cars may catch fire...but when they do they don't burn down parking structures , cargo ships, and houses in the process. The one parking structure at an airport in the UK... it spontaneously combusted and burnt through the concrete and metal floor, dropped to the lower level and destroyed all the cars in the garage. Only a li-ion battery fire can burn hot enough to melt steel rebar reinforced concrete. I researched it.
@@Brian-om2hh It's called simple math. How many ICE cars are on the road and how many EV's? Yea I thought so. ICE car fires can be put out quickly, EV's will burn for days emitting TOXIC fumes because firefighters gave up trying to put them out when they catch fire for no reason. They are far worse for the environment and cause much more damage to everything around them when they decide to randomly combust TRAPPING passengers inside..
This is called saving the planet!!!😁
If Boris’ still PM in that time, he would make news saying it’s Chinese terrorism via EVs 🙈
Zero emissions. 🤣
Exactly 💯 it's all about the money and control!
Everything about climate alarmists says gross polluter.
And 85k still needed to pay it off! Lol
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Its referring to the lack of EXHAUST of an gasoline engine... even you can figure that one out, its not hard!
4 hours to put out a vehicle fire is insane
And that was just one lucky the car park was not full of them
You can’t put these fires out with water. In some cases it makes it worse. The recent sea water flooding in Florida caused some EVs to catch fire due to short circuits apparently.
@@maxbee4460 You would think after an extended period of time they would say guys water is not working maybe we should try something else.
In one video the fire was put out an 5 days later it caught fire again!!!
The water is just to keep things cool. But it takes other chemicals to interrupt the exothermic reaction.
And that's why you shouldn't buy one !!! Don't let them fool you
CCP BYD cars are even more "thermal runaway"
Plenty of videos on YT where ICE are on fire but nobody seems to care about that.
They haven't fooled/conned me into buying one of these pieces of shyte ! , let's see every MP with one of these.....you won't !
@@KubuśpuchatekTVN And those who review the Chinese mobile crematoriums don't acknowledge any fire hazards .
@@ejh1100 To buy you need to able to afford one so that rules you out.
Imagine being an elderly person in this van... there's no way you'd get out in time. You'd be toast... literally.
And the cars parked next to it.
Even a young person can not get out there because the electricity is turned off and you can't open the door or windows. Bye, bye you just saved the world.
I bet that the driver was so proud of helping to save the planet.
lol 😂
Pretty much guarantee the owner of the van is a liberal voter.
He would have been even prouder when he found out about the vertical depreciation.
Never buying an EV car in my life. Recently in Sydney airport an EV exploded and with that 5 more cars got engulfed.
Good, ice cars never catch fire. Stay safe.
@@moviehouse8883in car entertainment is always best
The silver lining is that pilots will know the direction and velocity of the wind.
Personally, I just can't wait until we're all flying in battery powered airplanes ..
@@andrewbarker3210 You'll have died of old age before that happens, even if you're only a child now....
@@andrewbarker3210Unlikely, as EVs are much heavier then ICE cars. The battery weighs a lot. Unless a lightweight battery is made there is no chance of E-airplains.
Uoh, sarky!! Nice!
Has anyone measured how much carbon/toxic fumes are released when one of these cars burns?
One of the toxins (and there are many) released when these batteries burn is hydrogen cyanide, as used in nazi gas chambers in ww2, so best not to get downwind of one...
Good question. Clean energy. 🥴😂😂😂😂
Yes. The main things that burn are the plastics and rubber in the vehicle trim. That provide ~4 times as much energy as was in the battery and/or gasoline tank.
Source: th-cam.com/video/yj76SXMr_ok/w-d-xo.html LASH-fire seminar regarding Ro-Ro hazards of vehicles on the car deck.
Tie Greta Thunberg (the Doom Goblin) to one to give us the 'Toast' test ! result, when it's brown it's done, when it's black it's knackered.
The experts in charge say zero.
Look at all those toxic fumes.
Very very green
Now imagine that happening at 60mph on the motorway. Scarey or what
If you payed attention this happened when the car was off and not running.
@@PyroShields my assimilation of facts is perfect so what you're intimating is that this couldn't happen when switched on and running?
@@paulbarker5179 Most of these fires happen while the car is not even running or charging. You would think it would be the opposite.
They should all go up in smoke
So is it not possible for ICE cars to catch fire on the motorway at all? Around 10'000 petrol and diesel cars do catch fire each year in Britain, so some of them surely must be on the motorway when they do.....
What I am shocked here is how firefighters continue to use water 4 hours straight to take out the fire.
In the boat that caught fire in New Zealand, 1 month after the electric car was still burning, at the exit of the boat. Video on YT.
You mean the Dutch oven.@@gromiko1350
Why is that shocking? they are keeping it cooled down with the water
@@HobbyOrganist You don't use water to fight a fire caused by batteries. You use a dry chemical.
Look into the VW car transporter that went up. They lost pretty much the entire inventory on the whole ship.
EVs are just another control mechanism to take away all of our freedoms. For God's sake WAKE UP PEOPLE!
I wouldn't even consider getting an ev. At least until they start including a fire suppression system that can stop this quickly. There are more downsides to ev's than positives.
And who says that suppression system will work once things go down hill.
@@rbnhd1144 That's most likely one of the reasons they aren't on ev's now.
You can’t put suspension system over the battery, it will make the car thicker than a bus to achieve it in a safety standard.
They designed the car to be compact because it’s lined with battery closely in the entire floor.
Sure, these EV fires are incredibly "rare" which is why we see new ones plastered all over the internet every day. That's why two shiploads of thousands of cars were destroyed by run away thermal events that are sooooo "rare". These EV vehicles will disappear when the insurance companies refuse to insure them because of these "rare" fires. One of these days an EV on a ferry boat is going to do this and a couple of thousand people are going into the water.
They should be banned on ferries and the Channel Tunnel train.
You beat me to it. I bet if that van had gone up in the Channel Tunnel it would have been _really_ messy!
The system is too invested in the tech ... for the moment... insurance companies will be bought off. The system NEEDS this tech to meet their initial objectives. This is why you're not seeing any push back from the govts. In an historic world, just a small % of the fires would have ceased activity, just as the huge number of Divoc jabs adverse reactions would have ceased those as well. The system doesn't want to stop .. so there is no stopping.
A perfect example of ECO idiots helping the gullible to shoot themselves in both feet.@@stevel9914
Oh, they will lie and try to hide it was an EV. Like they always do. Thinking we are too stupid to see the big picture. And when propaganda fails they will ban discussion of the problem.
Gotta say these EV’s seem so good for the environment. I’m so glad we keep getting more and more politicians in charge and running things. They really do seem to be the specialists in charge of our environment.
That was a sarcastic comment for those who still don’t know and put their trust in climate agenda politicians who really wouldn’t know how to change a light bulb.
A light bulb which will still need some fossil fuel to produce the electric, to make it work, once you've changed it, of course.
Well said. Here in Kenya the president is really trying to sell this agenda. And the EV's being sold here are mainly from China. Needless to say, we don't have a very efficient fire extinguishing service... Can you imagine the catastrophes we will see here?😢
An African Country backing the wrong horse .....................again!@@angelanderito6482
Just remember which party keeps pushing them at election time.
A whole new meaning to the phrase "van life"
apparently it was a butchers van, and we've been dining out for a month
anyone got any marshmallows.
Yet ANOTHER EV fire!!!! More and more every day!!!!! Deadly machines!!!!
But nowhere near as many as ICE car fires. Around 190'000 ICE cars were recorded by the NTSB as having caught fire in the US during 2022. Around 300 petrol and diesel cars catch fire in Britain every day.....
You own an EV then?
@@Brian-om2hh Firstly, there are still way fewer EV's than ICE vehicles on the road at the moment so the figures mean nothing, and secondly, at least an ICE vehicle fire can be extinguished reasonably safely and quickly. I mean FOUR HOURS to put out a burning van?
Insurance is going to rocket, not only for EVs but house & third party cover as well. I built some EVs in the early '70s when lead acid battery fumes were hard to cope with but these lithium batteries generate their own oxygen to fuel the fire for hours so water has zero effect apart from cooling the immediate environment. re. the Dutch oven car ferry.
Not sure you are correct that lithium batteries generate their own oxygen, they generate hydrogen.
2Li (s) + 2H2O (l) -> 2LiOH (aq) + H2 (g)
So Lithium metal + water gives Lithium Hydroxide + hydrogen gas. Hydrogen is very inflammable, Oxygen is not inflammable but helps other materials burn.
(Sorry I cannot do subscript in TH-cam comments)
Insurers should not group these vehicles with gas engine vehicles otherwise we'll be paying out of our gazut to cover for these loses.
Houses and parking lot where those EVs frequent would see their insurance premium shoots up higher than those black toxic fumes from that burning EV in the video.
insurance is going to stop paying out on EV fires in your house, even if it's the manufacturers fault, and the governments will protect the manufacturers
@@steveb3885 - I beg to differ. Read your insurance HO policy. There are currently no exclusions applicable fires caused to a dwelling as a result of an EV fire. Denial of coverage would be considered "bad faith" in Texas anyway.
Just Look at All the Carbon Emitted from the EV 🔥🔥🔥
I assume that the gasses, fumes and particulates which emanate from these EV fires are eco-friendly?
Risk for the fire services? How about risk for everyone.
What if this was parked in a multi storey car park?..
Then it would happen same thing as in car park in Stavanger 2020, Liverpool 2017 or Luton, few weeks ago. Except cause of fire would be EV, not diesel.
they would say it was an old diesel landrover and none of the ev where damaged in the blaze
You should see the one in S Korea where it shot out 30+ foot flames. Different vehicle, but the battery also went into thermal runaway.
Also interesting, according to the video uploader, it most likely had LFP batteries, which are "safer" than others such as NCM.
I hope they had some extra carbon credits
For me no electric car sir☺️
But we will all pay for this through increased insurance. ?
I wise people would take off their blindfolds and see how dangerous and polluting EVs are, from the manufacturing of batteries to the toxic fumes of them bursting into flames. It's a fact that you have to run a EV for 8 years to get to neutral carbon footprint without any mishaps .
It isn't a "fact" at all. It was a "fact" based on flawed data, which neither included the Co2 emissions created in pumping oil out of the ground *before* it even reaches a refinery, nor did it take into consideration the fact that older EV batteries can be 95% recycled, with the lithium and cobalt being 90% recovered to be reused. Is anyone recycling and reusing old burned petrol and diesel? That "study" came from Volvo, who happily continued to produce electric cars, even after publishing it..and have even released more new EV models since..... Why do you suppose that is?
@@Brian-om2hh Well if you want to believe propaganda you can, most people can see the truth.
@@SuperBartet
This truth also applies to regular automobiles with combustion engine,
Point of EV was its cheap “fuel” price compare to fossil fuel ones.
@@MP-vc4nu The seriousness, and pollution from a EV fire is on a completely different level, when you compare it with a ICE fire, just look up all the dangerous and extremely explosive gas's from a EV fire. And if the point of a EV is cheap fuel, that is not true, there are plenty of EV vers ICE road trip video's that prove that point.
My E V came with instructions; "Light Fuse And Run"!
This is why we must have zero emission cars everywhere, this is the saving of the planet. 🤦
This is why the won’t allow these kind of batteries to be shipped on commercial aircraft anymore.
Fires like this are rare now, but once the roads are full of these EV's the fires will be more common place, you cant change this chemistry it is what it is, and it seems like Governments are looking the other way, that should make us all question the push for EVs.
Anything the government pushes is questionable.
You have no clue what you're talking about. What you saw in this video was old Battery Technology going up in flames. Most EV manufacturers have already moved away from using these type of Lithium-ion batteries, to way safer batteries, that even if in a crash, punctured or drilled into won't catch fire. Unlike ICE vehicles, which even after over 100 Years of development, still carry around a highly explosive liquid.
@@grumpusmaximus9446 The incident happened you cant deny that, you believe this new technology is safer, I truly don't, ICE fires can be put out successfully by fire fighters, you cant say that about all the EV's on the roads today, simple as that, Brand new German cars with no damage are burning up on ships, so much for new technology.
@@rbnhd1144 that fool is just another brainwashed leftist.
@@rbnhd1144 Ahhhh. If you happen to be referring to the Freemantle Highway fire off of Holland, the Salvor has now unloaded all the cars on board. Including all the EVs. They drove off the EVs, as NONE OF THEM had burned. So it was presumably NOT an EV that started the fire.
Other Car Carriers have caught fire and sunk. However, they are still at the bottom of the sea, so the cause of the fires have not been established. So while it Might have been an EV, it also might NOT.
Thanks for posting that Jon. It gives a clear indication of why UK insurers demanding wider and wider clae zones around EVs
once this happens under a shopping centre and 1500 people claim permanent injury from the smoke/vapours from these toxic nightmares [ was that the plan all along china?] insurance companies will not even insure them or the places where they park/gather/charge , this is a litigation rich environment and the insurers will run for the hills before it bankrupts them, and they wont do that for "the narrative" ev's will save the planet , dont get me started on that bit of gaslighting...
How can you have a clear zone if you're driving? The fires do occur while in operation, not just parked.
Yes but it's not going to EXPLODE and send shrapnel like bullets in all directions like a gasoline tank fire does @@edwardantrobusjr2253
How big are the clear zones?
Er, UK insurers *aren't* demanding anything of the sort. You just made that up. Which EV's have you attempted to insure, or received quotes for?
owning an EV would only cause me anxiety, thinking it is a ticking time bomb
It's an unclassified explosive.
"a ticking time bomb" which is exactly what it is.
Yet the fact you have 10 to 15 gallons of highly volatile and explosive liquid in a tank ten feet behind you, where someone could theoretically smash into it doesn't bother you at all then? How about the fact this highly volatile liquid being pumped the length of the vehicle, quite near the hot exhaust, to be fed into the engine just an arm's length or so from you, where thousands of little explosions are taking place?
It's not a van, it's a mobile crematorium...
Unbelievably there was an add for Polstar EV just before the video started!
Jeremy Clarkson was sued by tesla one time, he won, they appealed, he won again, now we know why
‘Thermal runaway’ 😂😂
They are not electric vehicles they are chemical reaction vehicles.
You can call most vehicles with their own power source "chemical reaction vehicles". This is combustion, external combustion.
in the RC Car hobby we have to charge the lipo batteries in a fire proof bag
Can't see many sane people wanting to by an EV camper and sleep in it overnight.
You are right. Batteries are electro chemical reactions. That battery isn't analoge to the fuel tank, it's more of the engine. A chemical reactor.
EVs would be 100% electrical if they had capacitors.
The thermal runaway is not so "rare" anymore since so many more batteries are out there. As more get involved in accidents alone we will see more thermal runaways. Then add in shortcuts in battery warehouses to save cost on production, ect. It will become much more commonplace on the road. This is when zero emission vehicles but out more pollution that what a single ice engine could do in a whole year.
It's best to just let it burn. Water doesn't help.
it's best not to build them in the first place.
@@aliceyoung828 Yup. Water doesn't help. Best way is to let it burn, because even if you manage to put out fire, later it can reignite. Sometimes even after few weeks.
You will have to submerge it in water for many days to extinguish it.
In Denmark, and probably many other places, we have special containers with water that the fire brigade brings out in the event of a fire in electric cars.
It has to sit in that container for several days before it is safe.
Then it can explode
@@gerald2295 If the fire is hot enough water evaporates and, due to extreme temperature, hydrogen can separate from oxygen. THEN it can explode.
A car carrying ship went down because they couldn't contain the fire. EV fires aren't as rare as that would have you believe. EVs can reignite several times after being extinguished.
3 ships thus far.
RoRo's keep catching fire. Even before EVs. And they are still catching fire. And it's rarely because of EVs. Great clickbait though. Catches the gullible (and other less discerning headline watchers).
This one was more. They were flat unable to put it out and the ship went down. I suggest you do a little more research.
Proof that ev's are better for the environment and climate change. 😂
coal fired powered power plants are safer!!
In the interests of the safety of your family, and all other people………..
It is essential that you BOYCOTT ALL EVs !
These vehicles are potentially downright dangerous, and one of the most significant issues is that the Fire Brigade and other search and rescue services do not yet have a decent protocol in place with which they will handle these types of fires !!!
I am absolutely never going to buy one of these firebombs!
Imagine all those campers with lithium under the beds.
Aaargh !
Oh, I doubt we'd still be using campers/motorhomes with batteries, as they'd only do 70 or 80 miles before running out of electric, much the same as how a battery car won't be any good for towing a caravan or trailer. In one 'fell swoop' killing off yet another flourishing type of business and touring holidays.
Well that brings a new meaning to 'don't leave your tools in the van'......... doesn't it.
the forests in the surrounding area are cheering. They thought EV's will deplete carbon dioxide threatening their survival. But the plants thought wrong as it is a blessing in disguise!
Love it!
Still !very! rare. But if I find several free spaces in a parking lot, I take one for my car that is not directly near an EV.😊
These things are going to cause everyones insurance to go up. ?
These things will screw up the world even more than it already is.
It takes 4000gallons of water to put out an EV fire so its usually left to burn itself out to charred barbeque
😼👍
That's probably how the fire on the Freemantle Highway started......
I'm seriously scared to park next to any EV.
Wake up to the truth about EV cars and trucks. Won't see this on the Lamestream Media 😂😅
Wonder what would happen in a basement car park full of these under a building?
A lot of deaths and destruction.
At least it had green number plates...
not all bad news, one less ev on the road
I'm going to run out and buy a death trap as fast as I can now.
Me too , may I burn for my stupidity.
I'm wondering how toxic that smoke was that was blowing downwind and where it was going. Homes, schools, businesses, etc.
Maybe EVs should have their own allocated parking areas away from i/c cars. Let them all park together, 'stigmatise' the things until they can guarantee that these fires will never happen.
Thanks for this video. I hope to attend one of your courses 👍🏻🧑🏼🚒
2:04 Can you support claim that it has 90kWh LFP batteries? (although it is very vaguely written as "most commonly" use LFP)
From what I read, they are only planning to start using LFP from 2024 in EQA and EQB. Also they will use it only in shorter range variants (or big trucks).
I can't wait to get mine!!!!!!
Environmentally friendly? HA!
the gas is toxic too
Which is why i will always choose the least flammable source of propulsion in a vehicle, Diesel.
Fair do's
This is out future ... Probably not.
Nah
So on top of range anxiety there's thermal runaway
On top of charging access shortages
On top extra damage to the potholes due to the heavy battery.
On top of bad cornering and extra tyre wear
What's not to love besides the quiet ride..?
⚠️EV will never catch on.
And parking one in a garage attached to a house.............🔥
The system is too invested in the tech ... for the moment... insurance companies will be bought off. The system NEEDS this tech to meet their initial objectives. This is why you're not seeing any push back from the govts. In an historic world, just a small % of the fires would have ceased activity, just as the huge number of Divoc jabs adverse reactions would have ceased those as well. The system doesn't want to stop .. so there is no stopping.
Look how environmentally friendly those things are!!! Not a bit of pollution.
What can we learn from this, one don't park your EV in a integral garage you may end up losing your home and your life , two don't park next one at a car park it may take your vehicle out, three run like hell when one goes like a roman candle. lol
and at the end of the video there's an ad for a vw camper van....imagine being asleep in that when the battery let's go.
Hot and ready.
Its just basic electrical engineering: The Lithium-Ion cells are being shorted creating heat which in turn causes more cells to be shorted in a cascade effect because of this the fire has to run its course and if the EV is adjacent other vehicles it will destroy them.
An Internal Combustion Engine can be extinguished much quicker by starving the fire of oxygen .
If this is not possible the fuel in the tank will soon be consumed therefore you will never have the problem of the extremely long 3-4 hour burn times of EVs.
The questions he didn't ask for people to stand up. he should have ask the following.
1. How many people live in a block of flats, or terraced houses where you cannot charge your cars. Where you have to rely on the public charging system.
2. How many charge their cars from their own driveway.
3. How many of you are living on the minimum wage.
4. How many of you work in the healthcare industry, nurses, care homes, carers. etc.
5. How many of the panel gain financially from telling you to buy electric cars.
Death traps how can these still be legal it defies logic
I calculated and my estimation (based on the size of battery pack 66kWh) is that this car emitted around 83 tons of CO2 in this fire (this is without including the disposing the its wreck). it is super ecological and earth friendly result. is Mercedes going to buy some carbon credits to off sets that?? maybe that should be thrown onto its buyer/owner and they should pay for this this in carbon tax????
83 tons of CO2 would mean that the car (assumed that all the oxygen in the CO2 will come from the air) has to contain 22,6 tons of carbon. Everyone can see that this is not true as the Mercedes Vito (empty) only weights 2,3 tons, and surely most of that is metal.
Two Victorian (Australia) firefighters are permanently incapacitated due to breathing the smoke before they got their breathing apparatus on.
DO NOT breathe the smoke. Though this will in future be unavoidable for every day people near a li-on battery fire. There will be a lot of sick people in the EV death/injury toll.
Thanks I did mention, I didn't know what part of Australia they were from, I'm planning on being the last Kiwi to buy one ,although I assume there are many want to be that
One Tesla went up in smoke some months ago, peak hour traffic on the Auckland harbour bridge, no accident, just turn to toast, I think was a new one but not sure, also in America one parked outside and torched a house a few months ago (a Mercedes loan car, not charging)
@@Peye-pv4cb don’t worry about buying one. People will be giving them away for free soon enough.
That's probably because Victorian firefighters had to rely on a horse and cart, a bucket, and a piece of hessian tied over their mouths.
@@2760ade 🤣🤣🤣
Funnily enough, electric cars were around then. I wonder why they didn’t take off!
businesses are gong to have to buy more ground then they have now especially when people are going to have to park 50 feet away from each other
Another death trap thank god it had no passengers
What is that if not polution?
So a domestic battery bank might be better outside the property..🤔
So why isnt there built in extinguishers next to the batteries. Or at least some sort of safty device to stop this happening
Safe and effective.
Ack, your literally sitting on those puppies. Oh dear. Ya think maybe this idea was not thoroughly tested before it was launched to the public? Sort of like that shot
Comprehensive motor insurance cover for EV might be costing doubly more than conventional car fairly soon.
The way my renewal quotes have gone this year, they are factoring that in to ALL cars not just EVs.
@@LesD9 That is exactly what I was afraid of. Santa in Davos may well have done some engineering to the motor insurers not to differentiate EV accident statistics. Hideous.
They say that fires in EV's are no more common than in ICE cars. They fail to properly compare the age of the cars involved in these incidents. How many relatively new ICE cars go up in flames? Another point is how many ICE cars set on fire when the engine isn't running?
IC engined vehicles are less likely to catch fire than battery cars but diesel are less likely than petrol and yet all the ECO BS seems to be aimed at vilifying diesel, a fuel which not only takes less energy to make and yet gives better economy, but is less flammable. What a crazy World!
I own a Mercedes Vito Van and I recently went Switzerland in mine and had no problems at all. There again it is a 2006 2.1 ltr diesel. This dreadful fuel which we are told is so bad for us all. Well done Rishi Sunak, for pushing this ridiculous rush for battery cars further back to 2035, when hopefully the ECO idiots will realise, that batteries really are not the answer to any perceived environmental problem.
Imagine a car park full of EVs or worse still, you left a child, elderly relative or your dog in the vehicle 🤔
No...don't...👹
Are these vehicles going to be allowed on the euro tunnel or à ferry
Should EVs be allowed on Euro tunnel? that's the question, think about what would happen if one of these went up in the tunnel.
Just Shocking.
I wonder what emissions that is giving off ?
EV now means Explosive Vehicles. 😢😢
Just let of more toxic fumes than a diesel car in a lifetime
The "off gassing" prior to ignition is toxic, as are the fumes in the smoke. Imagine that in a confined space like an underground car park. Thank goodness this was in a comparatively isolated spot outdoors!
It took the fire service 4hrs to extinguish this blaze, surely there's a more efficient method? Until there is, I would posit restrictions on where EV's are parked in relation to structures and other vehicles would be a good idea.
Park well away from these death traps....
Never park next to an EV!
No, never.