Kawasaki ZX4RR vs KTM RC390 - Full Breakdown
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00:00 KTM vs KAWASAKI
01:18 Price
01:56 Performance
03:13 Weight & Ride height
05:24 Electronics & suspension
07:11 Sound
8:57 What do I think? - ตลก
I'm 61 and bought the 2023 RC390 GP edition. I been riding for 40 years and I love the KTM. Brings back memories of my TZR 250, RZ350 and the likes. Sure it makes a great beginners bike but don't over look it if your more experienced rider. This KTM puts more smiles on my face per mile then just about anything. Have fun and ride sale all.
Hey Drummer, I'm 55, been riding since I was 16, own many bikes, rode the dirt, at 20, I owned a 1985 Yamaha RZ500R (luckily and skillfully didn't die on it)... I now own a prepped but and almost street legal 2018 RC390 and by the Gods, YOU ARE Sooooooooooooooo RIGHT !!!!!
And he keeps calling it a 'beginner bike'
I have riding for 47 years. Currently on my 3rd R1. I just got a ‘23 RC390 and got it broken in. It is a ton of fun on back roads. I feel like it could beat the average sportbike and rider as long as the speeds are generally below 80-85. Beyond that power definitely becomes more of an issue.
When my wife had her R3, I rode it plenty. I definitely prefer the KTM for every aspect other than anticipated durability and longevity. Better suspension, better braking feel, better ergonomics, livelier engine, looks less cheap, and way better dash.
I have a 21 Duke 390 and I agree with everything you say. I'm 62 and been riding since I was 12.
sheesh GP edition 👌
The KTM Duke 390 is my dream bike, it's just so much thing for a motorcycle that it makes my eyes shine. Here in Brazil we don't get too many things on popular motorcycles besides an shifter and a throttle.
I've had my Duke 390 here in Australia for a year and a half and it never ceases to amaze me how good it is . Nothing could come close to it for the price.
The KTM Duke 390 is like the dream bike for all college going kids in India, and even though it is pretty expensive at least to an average college student here....still the performance it offers is unmatched....
The duke 250 is quite popular as well
well as long as you have rc390, its one of the best in its category. kawaskai bike though compared to rc390, are in different categrory.
The Ninja ZX4RR actually has compression, rebound, and preload adjustment at the rear. But definitely disappointing that it only has preload adjustment for the front.
Owned my RC 390 for a bit over a year now switching it over to track only. After a year of riding it I've decided that never want to sell this motorcycle - as Yammie said it really is the perfect sports bike training tool to improve your riding ability with.
Would you recommend it as a daily?
@@hollydillion1315 try Duke 200 KTM for daily or the 390 rather than RC these are built-in racing kind of an aggressive positions you don't want that if your planning is comfortable and daily use and trust me.
@@hollydillion1315 it is do-able but it isn't pleasant especially if you need to be on the bike for longer than 1 hour at a time. You could raise the bars and drop the pegs to make it more comfortable or just get a Duke instead.
I've bought an RC 390 about a month ago and just really loving it! Learn something new everyday!
I'd like to see service intervals and costs included in this type of video, it is always something to consider when buying a bike.
love the colour grading yammie
Thumbs up for the smoothest "your mom" joke delivery this time Yam. Well done to show a point
i have already ordered the 4rr looking forward to getting it,i own a ninja 400 at the moment its a fantastic bike ive owned it for 3 years loved every ride,fantastic handling too cant fault it
How long did it take for your zx4rr to show up??
I have an rc390 2020 and papa yam was spot on with the review! The sound of the ktm is easily upgradeable for a few 100bucks so thats one less problem to deal with if you are thinking of buying one. I would recommend going for something like an Arrow thunder which is very good for its price point! :)
The 4RR s the 7R would be a more interesting comparison.
That’s R7 not 7R
r7 would win (quick shift, 40 more horsepower, although a v twin, looks better imo, and has suspension settings)
I would love a comparison between the flashed zx4rr and the honda cbr 650r. I will have to decide between those two until winter this year and its so hard
You can’t really compare the two- It’s not fair for KTM. Very glad Kawasaki made the move to give us this mini screamer
Two videos at the same time? Sweet we're not complaining
Hi yammie, love the content. Do you have a discord where I can connect with other riders and get some help with repairing my motorbike? Thanks in advance
I really prefer the sound of a 270 degree parallel twin or triple to both these engine configurations. I'd love the see these compared to the CF Moto 450 SS.
I'm waiting for the track comparison
When are you getting the flashed ZX-4RR on track to provide a review of it's performance with lap times? How do laptimes compare with it's competition and 600cc's? Very curious
he already has it flashed
@@nico63323 yeah but no video on track with it flashed yet
Would love any of these as a first bike 🤞🏾🤞🏾
Hey Yammie. What tire pressures are you using with the Bridgestone RS10s on track? I have a Ninja 400 with the same tires and the recommended track pressure of 28F and 26R cold seems too low for the tire.
How is reliability/durability of the RC 390 now?? Id love to get one but as a track bike how much would I be dumping into a 390 single cylinder to keep it running?
I pick up my blue RC 390 on Saturday. Learned to ride on a 2010 Ninja 250.
Is there an option to have the KTM chassis with the Kawasaki engine?
As a price sensitive and mileage focused market paired with bad road conditions in countries like India high revving motorcycles like these are pretty hard to justify . I really want yammie to come down and review the bikes popular in India . Here motorcycles are not just a novelty item it is most people's only commuters.
Nobody cares what you want. Why would you want something from others? How about you hustle, go to dealerships or your friends, test ride bikes designed for your country, your roads, and your needs?
I care about what you want and I think Yam will eventually do series of videos in places like India.
@@hyedefinition1080 Damn ! Dude you sound hella passive agressive. I really do think you were having a bad day and and stumbled upon this comment and there might be something you didn't like about it . At first you should really understand the difference between a creator and a viewer, we watch certain stuff to learn certain things and in my case I watch yammie to stay updated about bikes and learn the American perspective of motorcycling. We have a lot of big channel's dedicated for motorcycling content in India and I am proud that they are recognised internationally but as a viewer I want an American to experience the Indian way of motorcycling . Peace ☮️
@@OtisMoto You got a sexy ride my dude ! Thank you for the support dude ❤️
@@hyedefinition1080 Not that it exactly invalidates your point but do you know that India is dollar for dollar the largest motorcycle market in the world.
What about a review of the ninja 400 vs the ZX4RR
Hey Yamm, would you please share with us your thoughts on the possibility to see Yamaha, Suzuki and Honda joining the fray on the 400cc 4 cylinders ???
Not gonna happen. The other Japanese companies already have established money maker models and it would make more sense to focus on them. Honda and Suzuki have already developed new parallel twin engines which are great. Yamaha just seems intent on making small updates to their line of bikes.
I would love to see you do a review of the cf Moto 450 ss
You didn’t mention the brakes…I would imagine the Kawasaki could go deeper into the corners with those massive twin discs…
64, bought the zx4rr. Have been waiting on a small four cylinder to come to America. So far I find the bike to be what I wanted. Have never ridden the 390, so will not say I made the correct choice but I also do not think I made the wrong choice. I find the power as is just dandy. May one day get the flash but I’m not in a hurry to. Love the engine!!!
0:14 well the problem that they're "comparable" when the prices aren't, is exactly my problem.
What about ninja 400 vs zx4rr we need to know if it worth that big price
I have riden a tonne of bike bikes, but i loooove the RC390 / Duke 390. Coz it feels like you are riding a 300cc 2 stroke bike from yester years and it has a lot of Charector and Charm to it.
I purchased an RC 390 a few months ago. It's a lightweight bike perfect for city riding and comes with Continental Wet Tyres for excellent grip in rainy conditions.
could you compare cf moto 450 n zx4r as they both produce hp in us market
i love the idea of the zx4 but it still cheaper to get those old school japanese 250 4 cylinders that are similar in that idea...lol
Absolutely this. I mean, both zx4 and the zx25 are just novelty sound machines. Zx25 sounds better, cheaper, they both lack usable torque. The zx4 missed its mark for that price point because I'd rather have an r7 or cbr650r for that price. In my country, zx4 cost as much as these two.
I don't know about it being a hot commodity... There are 3 sitting on the showroom floor here and have been since they arrived lol
Fully adjustable suspension beats all at the price!
Bois I got my msf class thus Saturday I'm alittle scared not gonna lie
You'll be fine
@vaportrail226 yea thanks just excited you know something new to put in my garage next to my race car
Bro, I did mine last weekend and got my license Monday morning, I'm actually dying to get a bike, just don't want to get ripped off so taking it slow. Seriously, feels like I saw the light and I can't find happiness in anything else XD
Just be confident, you'll do great 😊
@leadinurhead thanks man lol yea been wanting something different than my corvette or my little junk 944. Plus living in Vegas has put some fear in me people drive like ass
@leadinurhead but after the class I'll be getting a bike sometime in a month or so
Hey, my dad and my motorcycle instructor have told me not to shut the bike off with the kill switch but i see everyone do it so is it actually bad or they lying ?
I have a ninja 400, and from an ergonomic perspective. Weight etc it’s awesome. I wouldn’t spend 12000 on it. However. The bike I wanted was the Yamaha fz6R. In-line 4, for that sound.
Tks.
Different strokes for different folks. The Ninja zx4rr all the way for me. That screaming in line 4 is what makes it an attention seeking unicorn. Yam says its novelty will die off. Probably not. Because no one else makes an inline 4 in the 400cc and 250cc class.
RC 390 is a bike for experienced riders here in India but it's a beginner bike over there. Yam you've got to ride little liquid cooled thumpers like the Bajaj NS200, RS200 and the TVS Apache RR310. The NS is really popular here in India man.
Experienced bikers or Squids 😂 they made Rc 390 or Duke as a bike for squids……stupid peeps
😂390 is not for experienced riders, its just not for chapris
@@prabh8197"🤡chapri bolke cool banta hu"
@@dasdip2001 chapri ko chapri hi boluga, aur tere jaise chapri ko chapri hi cool lgeng😂
Are they even available in USA? I rode all three bikes and only apache RR310 was fun to ride right from the get go.
The cfmoto 450ss should also be considered in this video
Cfmoto....forgot about how important suspension is..then again....wonder what the aftermarket has to offer
I say : Get the RC390 keep it as a track day training bike. Then get a 600 or a higher if you want.
I don't think it's a great idea to spend so much on a 400cc inline-4.
Sweet bikes ❤
Bro Does That Give Away Come To India.
Zx4r over rc 390 any day if I have the money
Agreed
Just bought the RC 390 as my first bike and I love it!
Still good after 4mnth?
@@attilapuskovitz548 yes sir, all good!
For the money the KTM is a very good bike and value so something I would spend my money on (I own a Duke 390). For what you'd have to spend to get the Kawasaki I could come up with a long list of other similar priced bikes I'd rather own. IMO the Kawasaki is still an awesome bike but way overpriced and once the small number of novelty purchasers get theirs you'll be able to negotiate a price more appropriate to the bikes actual value!
I am 6.3 with 37 inch inseam , do you guys think that I can fit on any superbike ?? Please recommend me.
I'm 6.4 and 19 years old, I'm currently riding a KTM RC390 2017 and I have to admit I feel pretty comfortable, although it may look a little weird. Unfortunately, I cannot say much about other sportbikes, as I've never ridden anything else, but I plan on riding sportbikes for the next years
Single cylinder sport bike ...pass
I agree with "drummer5140"... had a 2016 KTM rc390.. am 67 years old and been riding everything from 50cc to 1200cc bikes, MX to Trials to Track and Crusin' for 54 years.. and had the most fun ever on that 390! Soon will be getting another 2023 KTM rc390! Kawasaki is a great ride but well Yammie Noob said it all...
Bro do some reviews under 200cc chinese bikes.
a little less power 44 vs 75, as well as a little topspeed difference 169 vs 245km/h
yams you need to try the cfmoto 450ss out, i think it will surprise you. and since cfmoto own ktm, it already has the right dna
The kawi for the motor alone
If you were seriously considering the Zx4rr, would you spend $2k more for an RS660 instead?
Nope. My dealer says 30% of the RS660 as they arrive from the factory are unsellable. Unsellable because they have quality control issues at the factory. One of them didn't even start out of the crate.
Hahaha, I was just comparing these two bikes today as I want to buy new one :P
Nice
Is kawi the only one with a 400 racebike
Any rider in puerto rico watching this??
I have wanted to get into motorcycles ever since I was a kid but the roads and drivers here are so bad that it just scares me to even think about it.
On the other hand, I should live my life the way I want to so im at a crossroads
The issue might be do you buy the RC390 or do you buy the Duke?
Or do you buy the vitpilen or do you buy the svartpilen. . .
Definitely the KTM is going to TKO that Kawasaki 🤘
It's not a matter of decision for me! I've owned the KTM RC 390 for a year now. I love her! But I'm also a big Kawasaki fan. That means I'll buy the small 4-cylinder as soon as it's available in Germany! 😂
I would never ever buy a single cylinder motorcycle even if it was the best package on the market,the sound of it is just terrible!!
Can't disagree with you there, but a nice straight through exhaust system makes it much better. It's almost unique.
Dirt bikes and dual sports are a lot of fun. Give 'em a try.
But did ya see yams, quad yams!
🔥👍🏽
ill take the Kaw XR 900 naked thank you very much!
track time zx4 r win especially full power but ,daily ktm like for me be probaly better i like single cylinder me next bike be mt03 but npt this new one but 660 big single 👌🏻 unless sv 650 after tuning drive whell be so comfortable that i left it for ever 🤔
As I was riding last night and thinking about the ZX4RR I was thinking exactly this... Kawasaki didn't hit the spot with this one. The RC390 is much more appealing given the 3000 bucks that separates them. The flash results weren't anything amazing tbh.
Probably also voids the warranty
@williamdavis4809 Yes it will, no doubt about it. As I said even with the tune I don't see a single reason why would anybody pick the ZX over the 390. Tbh the ZX6 has been updated a few days back and it makes the ZX4 look pointless...
Most viewers here will have by now seen FortNine's non-review review of the ZX4RR ... RF9 ran a simple calculation and estimates it's capable of 92HP. (The Euro computer can't allow it to make that kind of power and still be emissions legal.)
Long time viewer, still haven’t subscribed…
RC390 had the best looks bs4 2020 model bs3 modle Man i wish they still sold old bodyparts
I don't see the Ninja as a good starter bike for anyone but the most disciplined riders, that thing is instant trouble. Much like the SV650, it's far more capable than the numbers suggest.
It’s a pig without the flash
No comparison between a 1 cylinder and inline 4 lmao🤣
zx4rr vs ninja 400 when
My pick: ZX4RR
I have a friend that rides a RC390 on track (track only) and KATOOOOOMED!!! his engine twice! (Its now rebuilt and supped up from a great local engine builder)
What year?
Typically Chinese trash!
Any possibility it could have been your friend?
Its way easier to fix a popped thumper than a blown 4 cyl
Yooo, Ill take third
So @1988 or so Yamaha sold the FZR400, with @55 hp. From what I remember, the best handling bike of the era, regardless of displacement.
Over 30 years later, Kawasaki bring a 400cc, four pot with the same hp.
Progress? Idk about that.
North America? I thought your in Texas 😆 🤣
love the ktm rc390
The KTM actually has a 32.44 inch seat height, not 32.8
PLEASE review the CFMoto 450ss PLEASE!
Yes!
Dude I live in india I have an adventure 390 as my beginner bike and I have owned it for 2 years I have ridden the new rc 390 and its awesome and it costs around 4700 to 4900 dollars and the ninja zx 4rr costs around 13000 dollars ex showroom and even more on road so it's just not worth it at all where I live to buy the ninja
I Bleed Orange so my decision is bias.
As an owner of a Ninja 400, I gotta say that, unless you're going to use it as a track toy, the ZX4RR is pointless: too heavy, waaaay too expensive, you have to do a lot of things to get it really ready (perhaps just as much as a Ninja400?) and specially, if you are a beginner rider or you want to use it as a jack-of-all-trades bike, a Ninja 400 fills the gap way better.
All that being said, if you have the money and you have a bit of experience with bikes and want the ZX4RR you wouldn't regret it as long as you acknowledge that there are way cheaper options out there, but my recommendation would still be the Ninja 400 (or the KTM RC390, which is quite cool and sporty, too).
Although I have never driven a zx-4RR, I believe that cycling in the city with a ninja 400 is better because it can achieve better torque performance at low revs
what’s the point when they don’t sell small 4 cylinders here in India…
If the 390 was increased to 450 it would make about 10 more hp and 5 more ft lbs of torque… probably only cost 800 more bucks and probably weigh only 10-15 more lbs. could we only imagine…. While the zx-4 should be about 2 grand less to make more sense
KTM is actually planning to replace this 373cc thumper to a more powerful and reliable 450cc 270 degree crank twin cylinder engine that'll put out 55 horsepower.
Look up the CFMoto 450SS, it uses the same exact engine.
Would not make that much sense for the European market, because A2 motorcycles are limited to 48 hp, still sounds interesting
@@OverKilL413 They can always just restrict it to 48 for A2 licenses, I think they did something similar to that for the rs660 or tuono 660 at some point
@@OverKilL413 good point about A2… but they could tune it to make exactly 48 hp but boost the torque closer to 10 lbs which would be insanely good (especially for the Adventure)
@@SwoosheD_ completely forgot about that relationship. Does make me wonder if CF will let them use that motor. I know Cf moto has access to KTM motors but not sure if it works both ways
The KTM RC 390 seems to be a great little bike!
Yooo
Sounds like the ZX4RR is trying to be a "Superbike". Too bad it has to cruise the streets knowing that at any moment, it could meet up with the only REAL "Superbike" - the Venom Boom BD250!
ride my second 390 (and before a 125 before) they ride godlike. not unter 5k rpm thats where they are pretty bad and shaky cruising is pretty annoing. :D ktm rc quality is super bad. the front sprockets wobble from factory.. the engines need oil after 5k km (1k of them just super cruisy riding because they were brand new) its about 250ml/1000km. the oil filters are full of iron filings. i change the oil all 4000km because of that. you need water and a towel to wipe off the paint of the rims. the stock chain is dead after 10000km. just poor quality in every part. but it rides so good that i decided to buy it again, give it a chance again, and having fun with it again.. but i really dont recommend it for somebody who dont knows how to maintain, repair it, have no second bike, or a lot of money.. because this thing is a moneypit. I hate to love it. zx4rr is not availeble in germany :/ but i think it has japanese quality so.. what could happen? my gsxr and my dads bikes just need oil changes and fuel :D absolutly no problems with them.
LOL, due to less regulation... ZX4RR is 81HP in here....
not comparable- ninja 400-rc 390 yes....
For the love of Christ get that pipe changed !!
I know it's been a minute and you caught a lot of flak for it before, but what about the CFMoto 450ss? Have you had the opportunity to swing a leg over one?
not the ninja 300 or the 400(both of which are more expensive) but he zx4!!!
Sick Mom joke brother.
Even more proof that Yammie HATES Kawasaki
He said it himself, the ninja h2 blows...
I'm just playing. Everybody knows kawasaki has great bikes, but i can't get over how bad the pull and torque is for 10 grand. If you get it flashed, everything else is fine for ten grand. I think the zx4 is better than the rc390... I just don't think it's literally twice as good. The passing power is atrocious for the price. I'd rather have an r7, rs660 or zx6 if that was my budget. It's worth saving up a couple more grand for that much more bike.