Milwaukee's New Insider Ratchet vs DeWALT's New Sealed Head!
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Best cordless ratchet? Today we test the new Milwaukee 3050 3050-20 Insider ratchet vs DeWALT's latest Sealed head DCF510B along with thier closes in brand brothers the M12 High Speed ratchets and DeWALT Atomic and Xtreme 12V to see which is most worth your money. Spoiler alert, newer and more expensive isn't always better.
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0:00 What's being tested
0:59 New DeWALT
3:31 New M12
6:46 Testing
8:20 M12 Issues we saw
10:50 DeWALT's Best
11:10 Torque
12:30 Ranking
14:04 vs Competition, Conclusion - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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Can anyone explain an M18 FUEL circ saw being like $190 and their M12 ratchets $250-300 these days? At least the 12V DeWALT is $110 amzn.to/3PCvHya
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Exactly!
They're using the inclusion of sockets to justify that price.😅
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@@12MRJERSEY Doesn't explain the $250 ones though! Lol.
2567 at Home Depot is $110 (with hack)...just got to know how to buy them lol
I want to see how bad the 12v Hypertough ratchets are!
I've seen this request before. Are people for serious? If so we'll buy it to the next cordless ratchet episode - whatever that is
@@TorqueTestChannelI’d love to see them tested but the reality is it’s more out of curiosity then anything else. Unless it’s some sort of revolutionary tool (yeah right) I’d likely never buy one.
I buy Hyper Tough tools when they are on clearance. For example, I was able to purchase a combo kit with a Sawzall, impact driver, and a drill with 2 1.5 amp batteries for 32 us dollars. Well worth the cost for the Sawzall by itself.
I’m a weekend warrior mechanic and I’ve seriously considered these hyper tough ratchets for the value. I’d love to see these tested!
Yeah me too very curious about them
This ended as I knew it would. The high-speed is still king. I'm so glad you pointed out how annoying those 3/8, 1/4 adapters would be. No othet reviewer has mentioned it, which I think is a very big deal since Milwaukee is trying to sell you on this high price tag as being a replacement for the other ratchets when it's not
How many of those reviewers had it sent to them by Milwaukee?
@@MustangAficionadolike 95% of them bro, we need better disclosures on social media
And when you lose one....
Wow! That did not go the way I would have thought initially. The DeWalt did great, the M12 not so much... that is why this channel is so important. Thanks for sharing all the results and for all the time that was taken for this testing!
Stoked to finally see the comparison!
So far I am in love with the sealed head unit, it’s helped on trail repairs several times, and been a lifesaver while working on the top of my 6.0 powerstroke! 🤙
I have the dcf510 and 500 DeWalts. They blow me away with all their upgrades! A solid win for team yellow! 😁
Plan on buying one, which of the 2 should i get? (my first el ratchet)
@@chucknorris2952 The 510 for power, the 500 for small head, smaller body and faster speed.
The 510 comes with 3/8 and 1/2 anvils.
The 500 comes with 1/4, 3/8 and 1/4 quick change hex.
I love what you guys do just that every time I buy a tool your next video is of a better version of it
Haha, talk to the brands. We just buy what they come out with. Nothing in this video really make anything they were selling outdated though
You guys have to do the DCF500 12V Sealed head next, I just picked one up and its claiming 450 RPM AND 50 Ft lbs of torque, as well as having a 1/4 hex drive plug. Seeing how the past 12V Dewalts did it may be a little beast on the charts, as long as you can actually fit it where you need it with its size.
it looks like that one is targeting the M12 High Speed 2567-20. I own that Milwaukee and previously owned the OG M12 brushed ratchet and 2557-20 Fuel low speed (last from the chart yeah) but that one got stolen from my truck so I got the high speed one.
Yes it's quick but it's a torqueless wonder, I think even the OG brushed one had a bit more torque. And having a lower speed might actually help with more control when setting nuts back in. Or maybe it's just me.
If the DCF500 keeps the speed from the 2567-20 while delivering more torque then it would be a win for many
I definitely agree that would be sweet to see if the rpms are truly better on the 12v than the 20v and if it can dethrone the milwaukee
Wow! The most comprehensive breakdown I’ve seen yet! I was gung-ho about buying the Milwaukee due to other previously posted videos, but I am glad I waited and have seen your feedback. Thank you for all you guys do! Company’s should def invest in you guys!
Thanks as always for ur time on doing these videos. Especially on the newest stuff out there
Boy do I want Astro to make an air ratchet for their Nano sockets. One ratchet with a swappable 17mm/22mm insert so it works with both their 3/8" and 1/2" Nano sockets would be sweet.
With a long head option as well. That would make timing covers so much easier
I love this channel so much. Been watching it for a couple years, pretty balls deep into the red tool so I'm definitely not switching anytime soon but I love the comparisons. The other brands make amazing products
I vote for best sub $100 pneumatic ratchet vs best sub $100 electric ratchet with best overall electric vs pneumatic regardless of price, all based off your previous charts. Anything additional is a bonus!
im an electrician and can see the use of the pass-through system of the Milwaukee. I don’t always need a lot of torque, but this could be very useful for instances of using long, threaded rods for mounting. pass through is pretty cool
Enjoy it for the week it lasts you.
It lasts a full week? The last six Dewalts I had to use wouldn't last an hour.
thats the big selling point to me as well, but they didnt seal the head so if you're doing tough stuff then grease will leak out and the pass through design for the sockets stops halfway through the range (?). ill wait until milwaukee can address those issues and come back with something you can slap an 18v battery on as well.
@@LESLASLESLASweek? Some of my Milwaukee tools are going on 6 years of everyday use still going strong
I think the algos were happy w/ this one.. First time viewer here. Subbed, great content. 🥂
I love this channel, one of the very few channels were I feel like you provide just what you see from the videos I watch. This type of channel is few and far between noways most people have some type of slant. Keep up the great work.
i'm in my 80's and I love this channel!
Even though I have the insider and the Dewalt, the insider is the one I use the most. Due to its longer and narrow neck it's easier to get into tight spots working on cars. The Dewalt is more handy when the long neck of the insider can't wrap around areas, but when that's the case, you're better off with a traditional wrench and swivel adapter.
I have the older 2457 and just bought the Milwaukee insider. Both exhibit the same slipping or not spinnong occasionally. Sometimes it seems to happen when the nut doesnt have alot of tension on it. The 2457 was getting worse since I have owned it for aroubd 10 years and I watched a video showing how to take the head apart and clean the grease out on springs that press the head forward as they build up grease and dirt over time. After cleaning it worked much better.
i’ve been happy with the durability of dewalt cordless tools, they stand the test of time, and their batteries hold up, too
The DCF510 wont dissapoint. I bought the bundle with an extra battery. I have owned it for about a month and so far no complaints.
was waiting on this one ! saw the sealed head on the mac tool truck and wanted to see how it stacked up!
I have been using a MAC Tools 10.8V (UK)/12V (US) for around 3-4 years now. It hasnt slowed down or gotten any weaker. The grease nipple is a brillant feature and it is prooven as in that 3-4 year time span I have witnessed many people buying at least 2-3 milwaukee ratchets.
Everyone always says its slower but I personally can live with that knowing I dont need to torque check everything considering its strength, not to mention I use the thing as a breaker bar, hammer and battering ram.
Honestly my one of my favourite tools I have ever bought.
Not sure if I should upgrade when it eventually dies, when ever that shall be, or pay the money to repair it.
This video has definately made me lean towards buying a new one but I would like to see how much abuse it can handle, sadly they havent been out long enough.
The SP Air SP-7730 has insane numbers and seems to be a contender for the best thing out there in air ratchets.
I have a SP-1765, and the thing is almost too fast.
Matco did pass through sockets on an air ratchet over 20 years ago. I didn’t use them often at all.
As an auto body tech I use the absolute shit out of the high speed team red in 1/4". It definitely has more forward torque, some times you have to tighten and loosen bolts frequently when aligning panels. The good old neutral drop comes in handy though, sure it's not good on your sockets or hardware but it saves a ton of time.
From being in some trade groups, I know a lot of tradesman who work with all thread (commercial installers of sprinklers, plumbing, and anyone who works with strut) have been waiting a long time for a pass through cordless ratchet and will buy it even if it’s not the best performer. These guys sometimes have to thread nuts 3 ft or so onto all thread, so that would be a huge time and labor saver as there’s nothing electric that can do the job currently.
Blowing on the side of the nut with an air wand does the trick, even faster than an electric would.
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Glad to see this video, I’ve been wondering about the new “pass through” tools. I’ve still got a old set of Kobalt pass throughs that I use all the time.
I have the 503 and the 510. love them both.
Love the channel, been waiting for this one as I've been eyeballing the DCF510 for a bit. 12V DCF500 next?!?!
Wow. Interesting as always. I was really thinking about getting the insider but now I'll be looking at the extended high speed. I really like the regular high speed I already have but most times the extra reach would be beneficial.
What about the 12v sealed Dewalt? Testing that soon? Also would love to see air impact ratchets.
I was just looking at buying the new insider, so bloody good timing on the vid, think I will hold off now and wait to see if they make a gen 2. Gutted though as I had high hope when I seen it
Be good to see some Ingersoll Rand in the lineup, like the R3130. They also have a right angle impact that they call a ratchet, the W5330, rated to 245nm.
To me, the most important feature, assuming the power ratchet has reasonable torque and speed, is the size. Smaller = better. The ratchet is no good if you can't get it into where you need it. Past a certain point, speed and torque don't matter; they do with an impact wrench, but not with a ratchet.
Awesome test as usual guys. Really impressive to see how a unit looks good on specs, but fails in real life. I'm curious if the results would look different if you ran the gauntlet large to small or if the Dewalt would still win. That 12v dewalt is really holding it's own against the new 20v.
I can't wait to see how the DCF500B 12v sealed ratchet ranks compared to the open 12v and sealed 20v. I think the 12v sealed ratchet has an even slimmer head, which would be nice.
I was about to say what happened to Craftsman's pass through socket design, I've had a small set for a long time and they are awesome but it seems that Crescent brand owns the design now, it would be awesome to see something like that for these because you can go all the way up to 7/8 or 19mm while retaining the pass through design as well as tooth design is pretty cool too. Keep up the awesome work!
The bigger tool kits go even up to 1" and 24mm sockets in the 3/8 drive max axess. Husky also uses that pattern still. And I've seen some house brands of auto parts stores use that pattern too. Love those sockets, would like to see a modern ratchet use that design drive now!
I'm glad you did this. I was thinking of buying an Insider, but now I'm going to wait for a v2 or v3. Thank you very much!
these are one of the tools on my list so I appreciate the insights!
I bought a desalt cordless 3/4 in packet gun 20 years ago still rocks. Worked as a automotive tech for 13 years. Still going
Wonder if they’ll come out with m12 forge batteries and if they do, if it’ll run better.
PLEASE TEST THE ASTRO 1128
Thanks, I have all Milwaukee but looking to diversify, after Dewalt hands down, made a better light for me when I’m building the I-5 freeway to the grape vine or working at T4 at LAX!
The crown jewel behind the insider is the thinner design with socket, it fits in tight places. The pass through is just a novelty, which is why it stops at 15mm. 11 seconds slower than a competitor is still multiple seconds faster than hand ratcheting.
I’d love to see you guys expand to testing 1/4” drive ratchets too
Lowe’s special on the 510 with 2 flex batteries ,charger and bag for 239 😵💫
Dewalt has a 12v version of the sealed head, you should test that for fairness. But I’m glad you made this video so I know not to get the Milwaukee. I work on rusty stuffy, and that means the socket and nut are usually tightly bonded together, so the way the Milwaukee adapters just slide out is a deal breaker for sure
I have both the Insider and Extended Reach 3/8s and I don't need both. Having a stupid hard time deciding which to keep. I know it's what I would use it for - mainly for car work and bikes. And I don't work on them daily. Do I just keep both??
I use to do a lot of work with threaded rod, this would have been a great time saver.
I liked the idea of the pass thru sockets but the stalling issue would be frustrating. I do like the smaller head on the new dewalt but seems it may have almost to much torque.
Bostich made a 3/8&1/2 pass through metric-standard set for $80. Beautiful chrome too.
Loving my DeWalt 510
Have you thought about grabbing DeWalt's 12v version of this ratchet? Instead of 1/2 and 3/8, it is 3/8 and 1/4, along with a 1/4 hex bit adapter. It claims a torque figure of 50 ft lbs, and a no-load speed of 450 rpm
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I've been impressed with my DCF510. So much so that the 513 has been gifted to a friend.
@joshuaking34 I traded my dcf513 in to my Mac dealer for the new 510. Boy was it worth it!!
@TorqueTestChannel seems like the "insider stutter" is only occuring when you're utilizing the pass through sockets on the smaller nuts. To me this would suggest that any small "roll/pitch/yaw" of the tool is causing the threads to rub on the inside of the pass through.....or possibly pieces of nylon are coming off and getting stuck inbetween the threads and pass through causing the friction. Easy way to test is to simply run the test without using any of the pass through sockets and see if the stutter still occurs.
Thanks man love your videos
I have the standard M12 and Astro nano sockets but I will admit; this is quite niche. I typically work on motorcycles and unfortunately, I tend to grab a Nepros compact manual ratchet more often as the M12 ratchet is just too big for the spaces I’m working in. When I have been able to use it, it’s been great but if I fumble around with trying to fit this tool somewhere and then finally just grab a regular ratchet, how much time am I really saving?
Co-worker has the DeWalt and loves it. I bought the Matco sealed head and it’s a great tool. I noticed if for some reason you put any heavy use on the Matco the ratcheting mechanism gets hot.
I don’t have any use for a weird pass through ratchet, but comparing the sealed head ratchets, it’s really not worth the cost to switch platforms.
In the end I will probably stick with Milwaukee at home and Snap-on in the shop. You can definitely overspend on lights and cordless tools and be no better off than with what you already had.
We noticed it gets hot too!
Those tests look great and all, but how about we add in the times I have to ram my M12 battery back into the machine when using it as it pops out from any jarring vibration.
Any plan to do a gauntlet on the Dewalt Dcf500? Curious how the higher RPM but lower torque will compare to the larger dcf510
Ugh. Well... I'm invested in the Milwaukee ecosystem. So to say that I was excited when I saw the pass through ratchet, is an understatement because I've been wanting a long reach one for a while anyway, and a pass through would make me very happy. It's too bad that it's an underperformer. I already have a 3/8 regular ratchet that does that Insider Stutter. I sort of thought it was a torque limiting thing, because it doesn't do it all the time. But take that with all that adapter nonsense and I'll just get a regular long necker.
Im also invested in Milwaukee, and an E-ratchet is the last tool i want to make life easy. I was hoping the pass through would be better than the 2560 i am ready to buy because it has more flexibility. I will keep waiting because the ratchet isn't a requirement, just a nice to have.
I have an m12 high speed and just got the insider. Noticeably slower but it honestly doesn't matter too much. The biggest draw to me is I'm hoping it's more durable. I've had to replace the head in my high speed numerous times because either the ball falls out, or it'll switch directions randomly. They're $30 or so everytime. Plus having both a 1/4 and 3/8 in one is nice.
looking at that grease spray on the insider at the end of the video did not give me confidence in it's long term survivability.
@@Spyhermit My snap on used to spray grease and it never had a problem. It did have a grease fitting though
Hey I'll take more grease over no grease! But it does seem in a hurry to wave goodbye to the stuff
@@TorqueTestChannel Yeah mine doesn't look as bad as that one but I haven't used it much for sustained periods of time like your gauntlet. Could probably shoot some more in there with a needle greaser.
people don't realize how often you have to grease these damn things 😂 the high speeds probably chew through those heads super fast. I went with snap on for my ratchets, I think they feel the best and have great quality especially being able to easily grease the head with a fitting instead of smearing it into the inside of the milwaukee head 😂 I still like the milwaukee besides for the handle and overall uncomfortable shape and direction switch.
Strange thing is TTI made a Craftsman pass-through ratchet before Stanley bought the Craftsman trademark. It doesnt stutter at all, it might not take the Dewalt in this test but I am sure it would surpass this new milwaukee due to the stuttering problem. Even though it only has an old tech Johnson can motor and isnt even brushless. What I wish they would come out with is a larger pass thru size like the '1/2 pass thru drive size', or even bigger honestly, keeping the same low profile thickness, for sockets having the fastener interface fully inside the drive head.(Like a squeeze wrench if anyone remembers those) If we are serious (especially at these prices) about low profile access whats taking so long for these companies to come out with this?
My experience with the old gen1 M12 ratchet is once you get grease inside the head or lose tension from a bad c-clip, it does the same stutter.
Would love to see the snap-on far72 3/8” air ratchet. I have used one for years for automotive work
Astro 1128, earthquake EQ38R. I don't know anything, just looked at them over m12 or XR which i have batteries for. And is "impacting" or "reactionless" really better? If so, IR has more options over what I'd spend.
I love my sealed head ratchet!! But I really like that pass through design. Hopefully dewalt makes a set themselves.
We sold that same sealed head as an air ratchet on Mac tool trucks in the late 90s. Early 2000s, at that time it was an exclusive and the 1/4 was awesome till Mac pulled a bunch of power out bc they were warranty replacing too many anvils.
Milwaukee has awoken a monster. B&D r&d is definitely not sitting on their hands anymore. It’s really fun getting to watch them go at it.
Exactly!
I've had that stalling issue with my basic non-fuel M12 3/8 cordless ratchet. At least it looks very similar. What I've found is it happens when the direction isn't actually fully engaged. Like it seems like it is, and you can't turn the toggle any further, but the teeth will still skip allowing the ratchet to feel like it's operating as normal, but not actually turning the head. Strange.
My high speed m12 does the same thing.. motor is running full speed but the anvil isn’t turning.. pisses me off lol
It mostly happens due to excessive vibration, next time try putting your hand on the head of the ratchet or the fastener and you’ll see it will start working, the way the mechanism works if there’s too much vibration it can’t engage the next set of teeth
I’ve been waiting for this one!
I can’t remember the part number but Mac has an air ratchet that’s rated at 100ft/lbs with an interchangeable head. 3/8 and 1/2 and they do make a 1/4 3/8 version as well. It’s my first ratchet purchase and I haven’t snagged anything else yet (mainly due to a lack of funds 😅)
The insider stuttering must be the pawls skipping over teeth when running at full speed, on account of the pawls being inside the oscillating part instead of the rotating part like it is in the older Milwaukee units. A stiffer pawl spring might fix that. If the spring was stiff enough but just so happens to hit some kind of resonance that could be fixed with some more grease.
I was thinking the same thing. I also don’t like the violent shaking of the lever. It seems it will shake itself apart at some point.
I'll take breakaway torque over some speed any day of the week. I don't mind waiting a second or 2 per fastener as long as it breaks it loose.
Was hoping DeWalt with this release would have been an impact ratchet.. but hopefully soon.
Great video as always, well done.
An impact ratchet in cordless would be sweet!
I love my kobalt impact ratchet. Head is definitely fat but it works super good!
@@rc-daily As far as i know, Kobalt only has a cordless ratchet and cordless right angle impact. An impact ratchet believe it or not (there's a lot of shared terms, also often called a reactionless ratchet) is a bit different
@TorqueTestChannel I guess technically it is a right angle impact. Gets the job done though. Even though it's definitely not the strongest impact on the market today but when you have kobalt tools you buy it 🤣🤣🤣
@@rc-dailyWe think that Kobalt is great honestly
If you wanna test some air ratchets, itd be cool to see some classics like the mac ar249. I feel like every older tech in my life has had one at some point
The M 12 Stutter you refer to has been an ongoing problem for me. with 3 different tools. eventually they fail and won't even turn a loose fastener in this "dead spot" that develops on tool. major bummer.
I actually use the insider every day and I love it, I do wish all the sockets were pass through as well but it is what it is
Could it be the “insider” pice is scraping against the bolts causing friction&slowdown? Have you tried with a normal socket to replicate?
the high speed m12 ratchets can stall like this too, supposedly caused by grease being between the pawl and the ratchet head.
I found the dcf 510 DeWalt kit for $249 on sale with power stack battery and charger. I might to pick one up now. Thanks for the great reviews.
the Milwaukee reminds me of the old Craftsman MaxAccess socket/ratchet sets. I truly miss that system. glad to see a modern version
I have the vintage craftsman 19v that originally made that pass through
All my milwaukee impacts and ratchets stutter. M18 &m12... was told by the rep that it was normal, hate it so much I don't even use them anymore. Went back to my trust 14.4 snappy long reaches and air impacts. My snap on ratchets are both 5/6 years old and never failed. Just wish milwaukee would fix this issue already
Good Stuff TTC! Can we see Flex 5”, Metabo 4.5” and Dewalt Powerdetect 4.5” Grinders added to the ranking? Thanks for all you do TTC!
I would be glad to send you the Flex. How do I go about doing so?
Great review,
I do have a few of there power tools for just around the house. I haven't tried there hand tools become I have so much Craftsman and Kobalt that I first started with 34 years ago started with Craftsman.
Would love for you guys to take a look at the Japanese made Shinano air tools. They are a fairly old air tool brand. And they made a pivoting pneumatic ratchet.
guess DeWalt it is for the xmas wish list!!! 🤠
Looks like there is something wrong with those pass-through sockets. When you went to the deep well it was not stuttering.
Dewalt for the Win
The insider ratchet has been on backorder since I ordered mine around black Friday. Redesign to fix the stutter?
Going to buy one for the yellow team
I've noticed the stuttering on the shortie m12fuel when the fastener isn't on a rigid surface. Even when you grip the socket, it shakes to much to ratchet. Still handy but eh I'm sure there will be improvements out there
I own a craftsman 19.2v insider ratchet. love the ratchet hated the head always flying off. I JD welded the head to the ratchet still use it till this day.
Hi when DCF500 test?
My 2nd hand snap on ctr 761 has been through the wringer man ,but still shows up ready to work on monday. Not at all recommending snap on cordless stuff though 😂, but the ratchets are decent. Id still buy a Dewault though if i didnt have the "strap-on" lol
Yeah that new Insider is probably not worth the purchase, but they are pretty much hitting their RPM and torque claims which would make this the highest torque m12 ratchet if that matters to you. For me, I'm an automotive tech and Milwaukee's slim designs are a must for accessing hard to reach spots. They just simply fit in places other electric tools don't. That's worth the cost for me
It makes sense to me that the insider gets bound up, by having a rigidly mounted pass-through socket you're removing the natural wiggle room that you get with a square drive socket, even being off kilter a little is going to put a side load on nut, jamming it against the threads. Odd that it doesn't just stop though.
Good review