If you’d like some twisted rationalization: A Mazda Miata is considered “cheap” right? And often purchased as an impractical 2nd car? So I can get a vehicle for half the price of a Miata, with half the wheels and 10x the style? A Ducati sounds downright frugal right? Right?
Maybe a brand new Miata but, you can pick up used ones for 3k. That's 4 used miatas for one Ducati. 4 vehicles you can drive all year long even in the snow (very fun), cheaper to insure, and you change the timing belt every 100k miles. 🤷🏾♂️
@@seanbeaman7414 Still, you can find a used Miata much cheaper than used Ducati. I also believe maintenance on a beat up Miata is much cheaper than Used Ducati as well.
Here's a suggestion Yam : why not offer a lower subscription with all the same bells and whistles, but without the Bike Giveaway entries? I think you guys are cool and the community seems worth it, but I can't enter the sweepstake since I'm not from the US. Cheers!
@@nwii_4137 i guess you're right, but it's still disappointing to pay the same as others while not getting the chance of winning, hence why I was proposing a lower tier with only the discord. Heck, ChaseOnTwoWheels' Discord is free
I've owned my 2008 1098 since it was new. It has over 67K on the odo, and hasn't been ridden much in the last 3years, due to other commitments on my part. I bought it because I love the looks, sound of the dry clutch, and uniqueness of the desmo valve train. In a drag race, equivalent year japanese bike are certainly quicker (being honest). On track days (and it's been ridden on many) it'll run with any of the japanese bikes, and typically better due to handling and brakes (I'm just an intermediate club racer). Another issue is it's not an easy bike to ride fast, it'll work you hard, but give back everything you give. Mine has Termi exhaust and race ECU but has stock forks and a shock with only a spring change. Again being honest, I didn't buy the thing looking for the best deal on performance, but rather because of the emotion it brings when I ride it. I do my own maintenance and figured out after the first valve checks that the published frequency was BS, and now only do them about every 15k (similar to japanese bikes). The truth is replacement parts are more expensive, and I tend to replace more than is necessary at each service. So again in full transparency, the bike I typically track day is my Kawasaki zx6r because I don't care if I skittle it down the track (because it's just a cheap bike) and it invokes no feelings. Where the inverse is true with my 1098, I dropped it once and felt gutted for days (only scratched right fairing and broke mirror). Last the Kawasaki is also a 2008, and it only has 3990 miles since new, guess that tells which goes out of the garage more!!!!
Ari Henning and Zach Courts were quicker around a track on an old GSX-R1000 than they were on a brand new Ducati superbike. Possibly Ducatis have gotten slower.
Not arguing with others being faster on a gsxr...as rossi couldn't ride one but stoner could. My statement was regarding my club racing experience...where I've beat gsxr 1000's on both my 1098 and zx6r 600...and been beaten by Japanese 1000's on both.
I love my 09 ducati 848. Recently hit a brick on the highway causing a bad tank slapper and hit a jersey wall at 80mph. The right side fairings are busted but the only bad damage was my front rim. Seeing my duc beat up hurts my soul. I feel like I've lost a family member. I've rode many bikes and owned a cbr600 and r1 but neither have invoked the same level of pure joy as my duc 848. That bike is worth the extra time and money. It's like owning a muscle car. It takes effort, patience, and alot of curse words to keep her tip top but boy there's nothing like it when your on a stretch of road with nothing but the sounds and feelings a duc seduces you with and my God is it all worth it. I don't care that a R1 will beat me in speed, I ride cuz I enjoy 2 wheels not cuz I wanna hit 186mph. Riding is a way of life not a race. Enjoy the journey and any of the duc SBK's will turn that enjoyment to 11. I went in knowing cost over time would be higher for my duc cuz I knew part of the cost is cuz of demand. There is simply more people buying parts for a gsxr then a ducati 848. Simply put a bigger demand makes for a bigger supply. Gsxr's are nice bikes but I look at them as the "Honda civic's" of the bike world. Yamaha r6, r1, gsxr 600-1000, and Kawa zx6-zx10s are common bikes. They are great bikes for sure but I love being the only ducati 848 in my area. I love when people see or hear it and go "damn what is that?". I've changed my battery, stator, and voltage regulator and all 3 only ran me $300 and did it myself. The value check only needs to be done every 15k, the dealer says 7,500k so you come back more often. The forums are very clear most maintenance is on pair with the big 4 brands.
Wow! This video made me appreciate my 2007 Triumph T 100 Bonneville! I do my own oil changes @ $60. My valves go 12K mikes between adjusting. I was able to fix two oil leaks myself. I did spend about $1K getting my 14 year old stator coil and ECU replaced. Plus my insurance is about $200 a year. I love paid off, reliable, ea$y to maintain motorcycles.
Yamm as a fellow economist you know that a sample size of 1 can't do any justice to even suggesting real evidence. I think you need to buy at least 25 to support your hypothesis ;)
Ducati ownership is certainly a labor of love. I’ve had 4 and my longest run is now over 10 years. Cost of ownership is hugely mitigated when learning how to service them yourself and if it’s a labor of love, why not? I wouldn’t advise just anyone to get one, but if you’re a diehard enthusiast, it’s certainly worth it.
@@jesseonamotorcycle I have a Ducati and they are so worth it. I got a 2012 Monster 795 for 1/3 it's new price (In Vietnam) and one year of hard riding and it still runs well. They are surprisingly reliable. Desmo in Vietnam is really cheap also. The way they sound and deliver power is really amazing.
I have a 2014 Multistrada that I paid $13000 for with only 2500 kms. I have had around 30 bikes and nothing comes close to it in my mind. It is my Sunday afternoon, sunny day ride. I bathe it in SPF 30 and hope to keep it for a long time to come. I have cheaper bikes to spread the milage around. My only regret is selling my 2007 Buell Ulysses to raise the money for it.
Hands down my favorite outro so far. Little shady guys yelling at me through peepholes gets me every time. Not that I need to be told to watch more Mammy Boob at this point.
If one is willing to own a Ducati, own it long term, and wants to save a bit of money, just learn to do all the work yourself and buy the tools for it. Not all of the service items are really required unless you’re Troy Bayliss and can notice that your valves need to be adjusted because when you were passing Casey stoner in Valencia you noticed a slight power loss from 3 laps ago in turn 3
Like, 'checking the suspension' every 7500 miles... wtf is that? If something starts to go wrong in your suspension you feel it. If I were to own a Ducati I would definitely be doing most, if not all, of the work. Yet, somehow, that doesn't make the Japanese bikes any less the winner. I'd rather be riding than wrenching at the end of the day.
Agree w/Dennis Foulk for the most part. I owned a 999, w/ an FBF race spec BCM 102mm overbore testastretta, Pistal 13.5:1 pistons, Ohlins aftermarket NOT the SHITTY CRAPPY OEM 'Ohlins' 54mm full Termi, DP ECU, etc etc... I learned to maintain the clutch, do the valves, belts. Belts can be tighten to spec using a 5mm hex wrench believe it or not !!.. dry clutch can be torn down, basket, pack removed in 5 minutes. The radiator removed in about 8 minutes. Amazing motorcycle ...IIRC the 999 won more championships, Euro Superstock races then any other Ducati superbike. WSBK was at one time referred to as the Ducati Cup in the 2003~2006 era when the 999 won everything. You can do belts-which are good for 9K unless you race the darn thing. Easily replaced by owner, cost about 1/2 OEM parts....$125 bucks from CA Cycleworks IIRC..been a while. Valves are easy to check on the testastretta and testastretta EVO ..forget the Paingale-engine must be removed !!! Parts...well I own a Triumph Daytona 955 too....a grip set for the Ducati $101 bucks. To include RH grip mounted to throttle tube, LH grip vs....$22 for the Daytona !!!!! I would bet both are made from the same outside vendor. Performance parts are expensive...but OEM part for OEM part Ducati are insanely expensive PLUS it takes forever to get parts. Took me 9 months to get my 2nd magnesium cam cover from Italy. 6, 12K Service for the Daytona 955 about $400, $800 for the Ducati. But it's not about MONEY when you own a Duc, there is something far far more enjoyable, that deep intrinsic feeling being a "Ducatista" ...owning one of these racing motorcycles from Bologna !!!!! Too bad we can't post pictures here !!!!
If I want a reliable motorcycle at a reasonable price it would be Japanese for me every time. Some of the other brands look and sound cool I'll admit, but the big 4 have something for almost everyone.
I owned older Hondas and now newer Yamahas. I've done 25000km on my Tracer 700 with changing the tyres once, changed oil and filter every 5000km even though it only has to be done every 10000km and after 20000km I changed the spark plugs, air filter and adjusted the valves myself. Only exhaust valves were on the tight end and needed smaller shims. Besides that the bike is doing fine. Can't compare it to any other brands especially European bike brands but I'm happy with the performance so far. Never had broken parts on my Hondas or Yamahas. The 700 is now going to be four years old and I still haven't had a bulb going bad. So much for those reliable LED lights that will cost you a fortune when they break...
@@2lbsTrigrPull it's a great testimony for Japanese reliability. A couple of years ago after not having a motorcycle for 30 years I bought a 1988 Katana 1100 and it had 113,000 km on it at that time and i was about the 7th or 8th owner so you know it didn't live an easy life. I had to do a major tune up and have the carbs redone (since it has sat for over a year) but it runs good and has been fun for me over the past couple of years. I guess that's my bit of a Suzuki testimony. When I was younger, after a few Brit bikes and many reliability issues I turned to Honda (CB 450, 750, and 1100F) and torture them as I did I couldn't hurt one.
Yammie, Thanks alot for motivating me to be a rider. I bought a 220cc used motorcycle (on EMI, of course), and the emotions while turning the throttle on cannot be put on words. Thanks alot for enhancing my life! Love and respect from India.
@@kleinbottled79 it is Equated Monthly Installment, where you need to provide the bank some amount every month to complete the payment (similar to credit card payment). In India, we have option to pay No Cost EMI, which means we don't have to pay interest on the amount we are taking from bank.
Service costs in the US are insanely high, so probably any machine that has not been designed with US costs in mind will be expensive to maintain there. And once the paying power barrier has been crossed, anything can be charged higher just because the owner can pay it.
The Ducati V4R is just a timeless masterpiece machine, When you buy high equity quantity and nice luxurious quality assets they will cost a hefty dime but it will absolutely be worth every penny.
i own 2 Ducatis. ....ive never seen the dealer. i do do all my own work and actually enjoy going inside a desmo engine. .....if i owned a GXSR, id do the same though.
Ive had a Ducati for two years with no problems. What I have a problem with is wiping this smile off my face, every time I get on my Ducati (sorry, but a Japanese bike doesn’t do this!?!!
When I bought my panigale v2 a few months ago there is a maintenance plan they offer. The plan was expensive at around $5,xxx but it’s for years of maintenance on the bike, just take it to any Ducati dealer and I pay nothing for the oil changes, valves and whatever else. Saves me on the long run, of course I have to keep the bike stock for this to still be covered but I don’t mind. I’ve wanted a Ducati since I was a kid, just having one is a dream come to for me. To me it’s worth the cost to ride one of the worlds sought after motorcycle brands.
The newer Ducati bikes (many of them) have ditched the belts for a chain. Valve checks are now at 15k miles. Pretty much the same intervals as jap bikes. The gap has closed tremendously. My first service at a dealer away about $600 in Atlanta a few months ago. FYI- I have wanted a Ducati for years. I also bought a V2 coming from a Triumph Speed Triple 1200RS.
The newer Ducati bikes (many of them) have ditched the belts for a chain. Valve checks are now at 15k miles. Pretty much the same intervals as jap bikes. The gap has closed tremendously. My first service at a dealer away about $600 in Atlanta a few months ago. FYI- I have wanted a Ducati for years. I also bought a V2 coming from a Triumph Speed Triple 1200RS.
Yeah, this is great, but what if Ducati is “just too pedestrian”? What about my dreams of owning an ‘05+ MV Agusta F4 1000? Tell me that 312 KPH unicorn was forgotten by insurance companies!
@@emberducati9237 Yeah, agreed. I'm 38, but have one big hit on my record that I had to account for when buying my 1st bike. Went with a sub-500cc naked with low reputation of hooliganism.
How many hours is one of those valve / belt inspections? I was trying to get a final cost difference, a summary like ‘over 25K mile the Ducati is 22% more costly’.
I think it depends on where you are by around where i live a full desmo service was about $2000 including the belts. Depending on the bike its a full days work for a tech. Spare parts are also very costly. I had a 2011 Multistrada and parts i got for it over the years like a front brake lever $160 for stock, rear brake caliper $400 etc. Expense of ownership is one of the reasons i no longer own it.
the service report on my 2016 hypermotard for desmo stated 6.9 hrs. @140/hr was 966 bucks labor. Parts were additional 440 putting me around 1400 total for the service. :(
where i live. desmo service is 1800 CAD it takes around 12 hours and independant shops aren't willing to work on ducati excepts for basic maintenances. Suzuki valve ajustment costs between 350 and 600 $.
@@AT2Productions Yes, including belts, shims, shop supplies etc. Yes, the labor was not at all cheap. The euro bike dealers around where i live are charging ~140 an hour for labor and the 2 dealers near me wrote it as a 12 hour job on that bike plus parts. Thats over 1600 just in labor. As another person posted, independent shops wont touch it because they do not want to have to invest in special tools that only work on one brand of motorcycle that they do not see very often. IE. a device to harmonically tension the belts. My local indy shop would not even put tires on it. Bottom line is they are wonderful motorcycles but very expensive to own especially if you ride them a lot. I was doing a desmo service on that Multi every two years which is about 15k, right on the book schedule for the 2011 model year. So after two years of ownership i already had to dump 2k intro a desmo service and another 2 grand+ for multiple sets of new tires and front brakes brakes since they were spent by then too. So over 4k total in maintenance/upkeep after 2 years. After 9 years of ownership i put almost as much into maint of that bike as i did to buy it. I put a lot of touring miles on it and maintained it by the book, i also did everything i could myself just the big jobs like valves and tires went to the dealer. If it was 100% dealer maintained i cannot imagine the cost since even something as simple as an oil change costs over $400 at my Ducati dealer. Compare that to the Honda that replaced it. Two years in and about 15k later and i'm in it for about $100 in oil changes and 40 bucks for an air filter, and one set of tires for ~700 thats it so far. Next year i will need tires again at some point and will need a valve check/adjustment but i can do that myself easily with no special tools needed and my local indy shop has no issues putting tires on a Honda.
Y'all are skipping over the unknown diamonds ducati has made in their air-cooled line of bikes. I have 2 of them. 2012 Monster 1100 EVO, and 2005 800 SuperSport. They are by far the most user-friendly and DIY friendly bikes I've ever owned. Mind you, I own a KX250f, a ZX6R, and at one point a FZ-07. Fairings are super simple to take off, engines are just as easy to strip down, and valvejobs can be done with relatively basic hand tools. I've done my own valvejobs with both my ducs for the past 3 years, as it's only 4 valves instead of the typical 8. $10.00 shims, $50.00 sprocket holder, a 6 pack of beer and 3 hours on a saturday. mid-00's supersports are selling for about $3-5k overall, and the vast majority of them are in fantastic condition. Tl:;DR: Liquid cooling is not the way to go with ducati if you're looking for cheap fun. But if you get step to the side and go for air-cooling, it's the least expensive route to go european as far as initial and long-term price.
I second that! Bought an air cooled S2R 2005 monster in mint condition (5000 miles) for less than $ 4K. Insurance costs nothing! And the bike looks way better than current monster!
9k for a 07 gsxr1000?? i got mine in great condition on offerup for 3k you just need to shop around and stay away from dealerships my whole bike cost me less then the exhaust on a ducati!!
The xx98's are very easy to pull apart and service and fix. Just need that extra love because it's the small stuff that makes the bike expensive if you always ha e it done by a mechanic
Must be me or where I live but my Ducati was very similar insurance as any other breeds I’ve had . Services were similar except if belts needed adjusting . The higher cost of buying is probably irrelevant as the re sale is also higher..The thing I was slightly annoyed with was the fixings and fittings being cheap and made of cheesium .
Followed you all the way to the end and you were basically correct about the Ducati. Having experience with a 2000 900SSie I can attest to most of what you have said. But then at the end you made a fundamental, and really basic error when adding everything up. You forgot, or deliberately omitted the modifier from the 1098 column. It's called "SOUL". The 1098 has it in spades (Actually ALL Ducatis have it) and it negates ALL other costs. So, the Duke (Hail to Bologna) is way cheaper, actually free to own and the GXR is a piece of expensive crap. :-)
One factor you missed. How easily can you afford the difference. How much does a few $1000 matter to you. If you've saved every penny for a year, then it matters a lot. If you're Tom Cruuse, probably not so much.
You don't have to be some washed-up former top tier actor to afford a Ducati. I'm by no means rolling in the cash, and yet I own a Ducati with plans to add another one to the garage.
@@keithgill4299 not all models are as extreme as this video and others talk about. Not every model offered by Ducati over the past 20+ years has the same level of investment. Or are we to judge all manufacturers by a single offering in their lineup from one time period?
On insurance. The gsxr's are as common as town pigeons. Ducatis as you said are a fine piece of Italian art and highly desirable. I'll still take the gsxr any day for speed and reliability overall.
Cool video, but it would have been interesting to compare more recent motorcycles (ducati vs japanese). Ducati have been stretching out the valve adjustments, but it's probably not cheaper, just less frequent than it was.
Add in roughly a grand at each service for me... I need to bundle it up and ship it 2400km to the dealer. Just reached first service interval on the PV4 and while I can do the oil change I can't reset the system. 6k for an exhaust means it'll be stock for it's lifetime. Even getting rid of the mirrors for bar ends was nuts. ...but it's a fantastic bike after the burns heal lol
It's not a requirement to add a Termi exhaust. My Toce exhaust wasn't nearly that expensive and sounds spectacular. Plus I don't look like everyone else.
I sold my yellow 1098... when i started my business.. :( I miss my baby... She looked just like that... everytime u post with a thumbnail of this bike i have instant fond memories... Buy a Ducati... you will love it.. and miss it one day...
I bought a Ducati because I like the styling, I like the sound and the feel and the experience at the dealership was fantastic. I can easily afford any potential costs of maintenance and I'm probably never going to have a Ferrari so why not get the motorcycle equivalent. You could ask the same of anyone who buys a Ferrari or Lambo, why didn't you buy a Japanese supercar like an LFA or NSX probably going to be more reliable and cheaper to maintain? Well because you want a Ferrari or Lamborghini and you can afford it so why not
I have a Scrambler and a 950S, (yes, I am old). The good thing about the service costs being so high is that it justifies buying tools and equipment! My ramp and various tools have probably already paid for themselves with a few DIY brake services and an oil change. You just need to apply some creative logic! Also, messing about with bikes is almost as fun as riding them. But you have to have two bikes if you're going to work on them yourself, because you will run into problems and need parts, tools, whatever.
In defense of Ducati, the newer models (anything 2015+) are MUCH less maintenance heavy. On the panigale valves are done every 15K miles, and belts are no longer used. Still expensive, but early 2000s Ducatis really are incredibly expensive to maintain.
It's like those old spice commercials: look at me, I'm on a horse. Now a boat. I'm watching Spite, and then Yam's goofy face on the shelf. Back to Spite! No, hey, over here on the shelf 😂
You know what? When Ole Pappa Yam does the “click the video over there 👉 yeah you over there, click it, Do It! DO IT !! CLICK IT!!!” Etc. I find myself clicking before I know it. So just so you guys know it works. Lmao.
I had the opposite, I priced out a 2010 ducati street fighter vs a 2006 cbr 1000rr, both were 6990.00 but the insurance was 400 dollars more per year for the honda vs the ducati.
I got Panigale V4 for my first bike ever and not even thinking of trying anything else! I just can't get enough of the sound, looks and handling! It's perfect!
O4 vtx 1800, Cobra pipes,( bought it like that) 08 vtx 1800 , stock, 13 Raider stock, 06 R1, stock. They are all gorgeous, run fine, plenty fast,( too fast). But, I guess a workbench full of stock parts, to make room for " performance " parts, that get you tickets a bit faster, are all in what you like. Gotta love Murica.
37,000 mls on my last one. 3,000 mls on the new one. That's almost twice round the equator.. No problems with either so far. Where was your M8 riding that they always broke down? The moon.
Inspired by your 1098 videos I checked some insurances for it. So many variables that affect the stuff but still... I was kinda shocked that (in my case) 01' R6 was slightly more expensive to insure than 07' 1098.
With fair authority I can tell you It's the amount of claims a certain bike gets over its production life that spikes its cost to insure more so than engine size or MSRP.
I've used my sticker off my 92 fzr 600 on my 00 yzf r6, and going over Donner's Pass one year at 120 mph the cop was I think taking a piss I figured he won't bother , but many miles up ahead I was impressed he was coming But I seem him before he could clock me on his gun, I slowed down and pulled over (And was aware he hadn't gotten me radared) He was having trouble believing my cycle was a 92, and said the numbers were pulling it up as a 2008 ? He contacted my insurance and it came back insured But he wasn't completely satisfied, as he was inspecting my vin sticker on the frame he asked me in a way sort of he said Don't these motorcycles have numbers stamped into the frame somewhere (Which was literally inches to the right on the gooseneck. But my reply to him was "have you ever rode motorcycles" he said no, and my immediate reply shrugging my shoulders was "I don't know" I lied, send me to hell, after everything taking a good couple of hours, he informed me that he wasn't going to ticket me for taking so much of my time and let me go Oh I forgot initially when he got me pulled over, he asked what's my hurry, and I honestly said, I like riding fast, the roads are great and traffic was spread out enough that conditions were perfect, and they were. I'm afraid that won't always work for me, but that time was great, insurance on a motorcycle, I don't expect to live through any wrecks, insurance is a scam!
I'm a wealthy guy. I can afford anything. Yes anything. Even private aircraft. I bought a Royal Enfield 650 twin. Screw and locknut valves. Never leaks a drop. Doesn't use a drop. Doesn't vibrate. It barely does 100 MPH downhill. It's a problem free "English" bike from 50 years ago when I was 17 and knew enough not to buy English bikes. Only 100 MPH? I get by.
Older Ducati ownership cost can be reduced by using a good specialist 3rd party workshop, I have 2 good ones fairly local to me that I always go to before a main dealer. Have saved me thousands of £££££ maintaining my 848 evo. Interim servicing is no more expensive then a Gixer, the Desmo service every 7500 miles is the one that bites with valve check/shimming etc. My Desmo service last year (2022) including new belts and vale check was £600 and that included all oils/filters changed and every inch of the bike checked over torqued and lubed, genuine parts where used. They are certainly an exotic bike though so will come at a premium. I have been thinking of buying an older Gixer as a second bike, 2003-2005 GSXR 600-750's are for sale for £2500-£3000 in the UK off season...
Hey! You think Ducs are expensive? Try Aprilia and MV Agusta. Nice bikes, but I would not want to be near the bill for either brand, especially Aprilia. They simply are not worth the expense! I have a 2005 Suzuki GSXR 1000 and 2 Ducatis and although they are easily 40 years old, I will be keeping them forever!
Ducatis are more expensive to buy and to maintain, absolutely. But, as one who has been riding for 50+ years and has owned fourteen bikes of different brands, NOTHING stirs my soul like a Ducati. The key to affording a Ducati or any exclusive vehicle is to perform your own maintenance. And when you say that you performed the Desmo service yourself you get instant respect. Is Ducati the best bike made? No, but it is pure mechanical bliss to this jaded old rider. But, hey, that's just me. ;-)
Ducati = Ferrari GSXR = Toyota I have a SFV4s. You get what you pay for lol And if you own a Ducati I kinda doubt that the money or cost to Maintain would be a issue.
GSXR = Lexus LFA (fast, best sound ever, best reliability) Ducati = Ferrari (fast beautiful work of art, good sound, bad reliability, high maintenance cost, low mileage garage queens that often break down even at low mileage).
SFV4s, good looking bike but falls way behind on curvy roads compared to better engineered bike Super Duke R and new Super Duke RR (especially the Super Duke R EVO 2022 with Suspension Pro package), also the new 2022 SFV2 is better looking than the SFV4, and a 6000 dollars 2005 GSXR-1000 obliterates the SFV4 on the streets and on the race track. The power of the SFV4 comes too late (especially on the road) Facts :-)
Very few (if any) Ducati owners made their decision to purchase based on the factors this video presents. If you can afford the upfront cost of a Ducati and the ongoing costs associated with it, you make that purchasing decision without worrying how much some other Japanese bike compares to it, dollar for dollar. I have a 2015 Ducati, have ridden almost 30,000 miles, and it has been bulletproof. The expensive maintenance items are the 18,000 mile valve service and timing belt replacement. Other than those, I have to deal with the same wear items as any other bike - tires, brake pads, chain, fluids etc. As to the valves and belts, I just factor those costs into the ownership of a not-your-average motorcycle.
Owning a Ducati isn’t just about owning a fast bike. Just like guitars, I can buy a Yamaha and it will play like a guitar. Or I can buy a Martin and spend wayyyy more, but it’s a Martin, there’s something special, something different… Locally here in Utah we have benefits with our euro dealer. They have multiple track days that are specific to euro bikes only, and it’s totally rented out and free run for us. You can jump in and out of laps, hang out with guys, no set schedule. It’s a great time.
Just get old....Ive learned to do most work myself, slowly collected the tools. have Ducati mechanic friends that do the belt for $240. Oh, and insurance for 1984 Toy PU, 1990 F250, 2008 FJ Cruiser , 2004 Lexus 470, 2014 GSXR1000 and 2008 1098S is a whopping $1400/year! Added the Duc for about $160/year. Combine with 45+ years of riding experience and few get past. (new $28,000 V4s)
Insurance on my 2007 BMW R1200RT is $358 a year for full coverage plus riding gear loss. Kinda crazy since only 18 year olds buy and instantly yeet these things like 10 times a day.
No grease on the pegboard, 1/2" breaker bars, way up high in 2 ring holders, new looking socket sets hanging, bench, no stains, clean enough to sit on. Wish my shop looked that un used.
Recently i own a Street Triple RS which costs me about 700€ per year. I called my insurance for information about the Street Fighter V2 prices. The SF2 would be about 40€ cheaper than the RS... Germany
Yeah. Did those same numbers in 2019 and had the same results. So I bought myself the next best thing; a 2002 Honda RC51 for under 5K. And yes, although I would still love to own a Ducati, my RC51 does a great job at filling that void. Besides, who wouldn't want to own a bike that Honda built just to beat Ducati and then actually BEATING them!!!
HOOOOOOLY hell those insurance jumps... They must not care about dual sport hooligans. A Grom, XT250, and T7 cost me ~450 @Progressive a year full coverage on all of them (and not VA minimums either :O ). 30yrs old here for reference with a clean record.
You can get a monster for a pretty good price, if I'm going to get a full fared sport bike it's going to be an inline 4 screamer..But for now I'll stick to my mto7 it's all I need 💯
Da fuq. I have a 2004 Ducati 749S and it’s like 300 a year for insurance. Spent 3k on maintenance in the last year though. (Fork seals, tyres, chain, timing belt/valve). Extra $1300 for the termignoni race pipe
Ducati and MV Agusta are known to be expensive to buy, repair and maintain, also Aprilia (because it's need to be repaired every 2 days maybe.. 😅). But i think that here in Italy is possible to have and maintain a bike like these with similar costs of a Japanese one because here everyone, and intending really everyone knows how to repair a Ducati or MV Agusta with minimum cost and energy, literally everyone. I think this is one little fortune to live in Italy ❤
Ducati's have always been expensive, from the small singles, Desmo or not to the latest bikes ...When l bought a new Guzzi LeMans in 77/9 it was 200 pounds sterling less than a 900 SS Bevel drive Ducati...which l owned later. It wasn't unreliable but it did need TLC from the owner.... Plus, the dealer network was rubbish compared with nowadays, so being mechanically minded was imperative...Great bike if you can afford them though...
Comparing a stainless exhaust to a titanium one… seems legit. Ducatis after 2015 or so only require desmo service every 18K miles. The brand new bikes are even longer. My dealer charges $1000 for it. $1K every 18K miles isn’t horrible IMO. I had a 2022 CB1000R and State Farm wanted $255/mo. A 2022 CBR1000RR was $285/mo. My 2022 Diavel 1260S is $90/mo, as is my Streetfighter V4S. Progressive only wanted $80/mo for the CB1000R so I went with them until I got rid of it for the SFV4S. Shop around.
damn... those prices on insurance are not fun) my annual policy is about $26 :D it's for 600cc 2008 year motorcycle. for my previous 200cc was about $15, and it's been like that since 2017 and that time i was fresh motorcycle driver (which should've affected the cost i'm pretty sure). i can't even think of paying like $1200 for the insurance policy :D
Just like a Harley, you pay a little more for a premium bike. Not much difference with regular bike costs but worth while. Yamaha’s and Honda’s on every corner. All modern hikes are dependable. Buy what pulls your heart strings
If you’d like some twisted rationalization: A Mazda Miata is considered “cheap” right? And often purchased as an impractical 2nd car? So I can get a vehicle for half the price of a Miata, with half the wheels and 10x the style? A Ducati sounds downright frugal right? Right?
Maybe a brand new Miata but, you can pick up used ones for 3k. That's 4 used miatas for one Ducati. 4 vehicles you can drive all year long even in the snow (very fun), cheaper to insure, and you change the timing belt every 100k miles. 🤷🏾♂️
@@Turshin they don’t sell for 3k anymore
@@seanbeaman7414 Still, you can find a used Miata much cheaper than used Ducati. I also believe maintenance on a beat up Miata is much cheaper than Used Ducati as well.
I accept your rationalisation- thank you.
Source: Bought a panigale two weeks ago
@@ub3rn00bster yes I did. Big slides
Here's a suggestion Yam : why not offer a lower subscription with all the same bells and whistles, but without the Bike Giveaway entries? I think you guys are cool and the community seems worth it, but I can't enter the sweepstake since I'm not from the US. Cheers!
Second that!
Third that!
Cus the bike giveaway doesn't cost anything. You can enter it for free, it's in the terms and conditions of the sweepstakes
@@nwii_4137 i guess you're right, but it's still disappointing to pay the same as others while not getting the chance of winning, hence why I was proposing a lower tier with only the discord. Heck, ChaseOnTwoWheels' Discord is free
I just want that Discord access tbh
I've owned my 2008 1098 since it was new. It has over 67K on the odo, and hasn't been ridden much in the last 3years, due to other commitments on my part. I bought it because I love the looks, sound of the dry clutch, and uniqueness of the desmo valve train. In a drag race, equivalent year japanese bike are certainly quicker (being honest). On track days (and it's been ridden on many) it'll run with any of the japanese bikes, and typically better due to handling and brakes (I'm just an intermediate club racer). Another issue is it's not an easy bike to ride fast, it'll work you hard, but give back everything you give. Mine has Termi exhaust and race ECU but has stock forks and a shock with only a spring change. Again being honest, I didn't buy the thing looking for the best deal on performance, but rather because of the emotion it brings when I ride it. I do my own maintenance and figured out after the first valve checks that the published frequency was BS, and now only do them about every 15k (similar to japanese bikes). The truth is replacement parts are more expensive, and I tend to replace more than is necessary at each service. So again in full transparency, the bike I typically track day is my Kawasaki zx6r because I don't care if I skittle it down the track (because it's just a cheap bike) and it invokes no feelings. Where the inverse is true with my 1098, I dropped it once and felt gutted for days (only scratched right fairing and broke mirror). Last the Kawasaki is also a 2008, and it only has 3990 miles since new, guess that tells which goes out of the garage more!!!!
Ari Henning and Zach Courts were quicker around a track on an old GSX-R1000 than they were on a brand new Ducati superbike. Possibly Ducatis have gotten slower.
Not arguing with others being faster on a gsxr...as rossi couldn't ride one but stoner could. My statement was regarding my club racing experience...where I've beat gsxr 1000's on both my 1098 and zx6r 600...and been beaten by Japanese 1000's on both.
Bravo my fellow Ducati dude my 2008 s2r1000 is my baby
I love my 09 ducati 848. Recently hit a brick on the highway causing a bad tank slapper and hit a jersey wall at 80mph. The right side fairings are busted but the only bad damage was my front rim. Seeing my duc beat up hurts my soul. I feel like I've lost a family member. I've rode many bikes and owned a cbr600 and r1 but neither have invoked the same level of pure joy as my duc 848. That bike is worth the extra time and money. It's like owning a muscle car. It takes effort, patience, and alot of curse words to keep her tip top but boy there's nothing like it when your on a stretch of road with nothing but the sounds and feelings a duc seduces you with and my God is it all worth it. I don't care that a R1 will beat me in speed, I ride cuz I enjoy 2 wheels not cuz I wanna hit 186mph. Riding is a way of life not a race. Enjoy the journey and any of the duc SBK's will turn that enjoyment to 11. I went in knowing cost over time would be higher for my duc cuz I knew part of the cost is cuz of demand. There is simply more people buying parts for a gsxr then a ducati 848. Simply put a bigger demand makes for a bigger supply. Gsxr's are nice bikes but I look at them as the "Honda civic's" of the bike world. Yamaha r6, r1, gsxr 600-1000, and Kawa zx6-zx10s are common bikes. They are great bikes for sure but I love being the only ducati 848 in my area. I love when people see or hear it and go "damn what is that?". I've changed my battery, stator, and voltage regulator and all 3 only ran me $300 and did it myself. The value check only needs to be done every 15k, the dealer says 7,500k so you come back more often. The forums are very clear most maintenance is on pair with the big 4 brands.
I love Ducati by sound and look but
Ducati is over complicated expensive and not solid as Japanese or Germans
Wow! This video made me appreciate my 2007 Triumph T 100 Bonneville! I do my own oil changes @ $60. My valves go 12K mikes between adjusting. I was able to fix two oil leaks myself. I did spend about $1K getting my 14 year old stator coil and ECU replaced. Plus my insurance is about $200 a year. I love paid off, reliable, ea$y to maintain motorcycles.
Yamm as a fellow economist you know that a sample size of 1 can't do any justice to even suggesting real evidence. I think you need to buy at least 25 to support your hypothesis ;)
Isn’t 30 the minimum?
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Ducati ownership is certainly a labor of love. I’ve had 4 and my longest run is now over 10 years. Cost of ownership is hugely mitigated when learning how to service them yourself and if it’s a labor of love, why not? I wouldn’t advise just anyone to get one, but if you’re a diehard enthusiast, it’s certainly worth it.
Japanese 🇯🇵 all the way dude !! The only “emotione “ I’m interested in is unimpeachable reliability !! 😉
I like reliability... but I also like a 1301cc VTwin... I say this as someone who recently had a £1300 service =D (There was quite a bit done)
I have a Ducati but I love Japanese bikes as well. When it comes to reliability I feel like it depends on how you treat your bike and maintain it.
Unless it blows up after a power commander. 🤣🤣😅 Too soon?!
@@jesseonamotorcycle I have a Ducati and they are so worth it. I got a 2012 Monster 795 for 1/3 it's new price (In Vietnam) and one year of hard riding and it still runs well. They are surprisingly reliable. Desmo in Vietnam is really cheap also. The way they sound and deliver power is really amazing.
@@disbsam333 nice sounds like its a lot easier to own a Ducati in Vietnam! 👌🏼
I have a 2014 Multistrada that I paid $13000 for with only 2500 kms. I have had around 30 bikes and nothing comes close to it in my mind. It is my Sunday afternoon, sunny day ride. I bathe it in SPF 30 and hope to keep it for a long time to come. I have cheaper bikes to spread the milage around. My only regret is selling my 2007 Buell Ulysses to raise the money for it.
Hands down my favorite outro so far. Little shady guys yelling at me through peepholes gets me every time.
Not that I need to be told to watch more Mammy Boob at this point.
If one is willing to own a Ducati, own it long term, and wants to save a bit of money, just learn to do all the work yourself and buy the tools for it. Not all of the service items are really required unless you’re Troy Bayliss and can notice that your valves need to be adjusted because when you were passing Casey stoner in Valencia you noticed a slight power loss from 3 laps ago in turn 3
Like, 'checking the suspension' every 7500 miles... wtf is that? If something starts to go wrong in your suspension you feel it. If I were to own a Ducati I would definitely be doing most, if not all, of the work. Yet, somehow, that doesn't make the Japanese bikes any less the winner. I'd rather be riding than wrenching at the end of the day.
@@kleinbottled79 agreed!
Absolutely agree, do your own work and regardless of brand, you'll have a better and more reliable bike!
Agree w/Dennis Foulk for the most part. I owned a 999, w/ an FBF race spec BCM 102mm overbore testastretta, Pistal 13.5:1 pistons, Ohlins aftermarket NOT the SHITTY CRAPPY OEM 'Ohlins' 54mm full Termi, DP ECU, etc etc... I learned to maintain the clutch, do the valves, belts. Belts can be tighten to spec using a 5mm hex wrench believe it or not !!.. dry clutch can be torn down, basket, pack removed in 5 minutes. The radiator removed in about 8 minutes. Amazing motorcycle ...IIRC the 999 won more championships, Euro Superstock races then any other Ducati superbike. WSBK was at one time referred to as the Ducati Cup in the 2003~2006 era when the 999 won everything. You can do belts-which are good for 9K unless you race the darn thing. Easily replaced by owner, cost about 1/2 OEM parts....$125 bucks from CA Cycleworks IIRC..been a while. Valves are easy to check on the testastretta and testastretta EVO ..forget the Paingale-engine must be removed !!! Parts...well I own a Triumph Daytona 955 too....a grip set for the Ducati $101 bucks. To include RH grip mounted to throttle tube, LH grip vs....$22 for the Daytona !!!!! I would bet both are made from the same outside vendor. Performance parts are expensive...but OEM part for OEM part Ducati are insanely expensive PLUS it takes forever to get parts. Took me 9 months to get my 2nd magnesium cam cover from Italy. 6, 12K Service for the Daytona 955 about $400, $800 for the Ducati. But it's not about MONEY when you own a Duc, there is something far far more enjoyable, that deep intrinsic feeling being a "Ducatista" ...owning one of these racing motorcycles from Bologna !!!!! Too bad we can't post pictures here !!!!
I'll settle for that new Grom-like Honda, thank you very much.
I'll take the Honda Navi:-))))
😂good wheelie bike i guess
If I want a reliable motorcycle at a reasonable price it would be Japanese for me every time. Some of the other brands look and sound cool I'll admit, but the big 4 have something for almost everyone.
Couldn’t agree more with you Tim
I owned older Hondas and now newer Yamahas. I've done 25000km on my Tracer 700 with changing the tyres once, changed oil and filter every 5000km even though it only has to be done every 10000km and after 20000km I changed the spark plugs, air filter and adjusted the valves myself. Only exhaust valves were on the tight end and needed smaller shims. Besides that the bike is doing fine. Can't compare it to any other brands especially European bike brands but I'm happy with the performance so far. Never had broken parts on my Hondas or Yamahas. The 700 is now going to be four years old and I still haven't had a bulb going bad. So much for those reliable LED lights that will cost you a fortune when they break...
@@2lbsTrigrPull it's a great testimony for Japanese reliability. A couple of years ago after not having a motorcycle for 30 years I bought a 1988 Katana 1100 and it had 113,000 km on it at that time and i was about the 7th or 8th owner so you know it didn't live an easy life. I had to do a major tune up and have the carbs redone (since it has sat for over a year) but it runs good and has been fun for me over the past couple of years. I guess that's my bit of a Suzuki testimony. When I was younger, after a few Brit bikes and many reliability issues I turned to Honda (CB 450, 750, and 1100F) and torture them as I did I couldn't hurt one.
Yammie,
Thanks alot for motivating me to be a rider. I bought a 220cc used motorcycle (on EMI, of course), and the emotions while turning the throttle on cannot be put on words.
Thanks alot for enhancing my life!
Love and respect from India.
Glad you took the leap into riding. Can I ask what EMI is?
@@kleinbottled79 it is Equated Monthly Installment, where you need to provide the bank some amount every month to complete the payment (similar to credit card payment).
In India, we have option to pay No Cost EMI, which means we don't have to pay interest on the amount we are taking from bank.
Lookup "shadetree surgeon" he loves all bikes.
pulsar 220f?
Service costs in the US are insanely high, so probably any machine that has not been designed with US costs in mind will be expensive to maintain there. And once the paying power barrier has been crossed, anything can be charged higher just because the owner can pay it.
The Ducati V4R is just a timeless masterpiece machine, When you buy high equity quantity and nice luxurious quality assets they will cost a hefty dime but it will absolutely be worth every penny.
"high quality" isnt as high quality as japanese realiability but for a fraction of the price
Quality without reliability is worthless
i own 2 Ducatis. ....ive never seen the dealer. i do do all my own work and actually enjoy going inside a desmo engine. .....if i owned a GXSR, id do the same though.
Ive had a Ducati for two years with no problems. What I have a problem with is wiping this smile off my face, every time I get on my Ducati (sorry, but a Japanese bike doesn’t do this!?!!
When I bought my panigale v2 a few months ago there is a maintenance plan they offer. The plan was expensive at around $5,xxx but it’s for years of maintenance on the bike, just take it to any Ducati dealer and I pay nothing for the oil changes, valves and whatever else. Saves me on the long run, of course I have to keep the bike stock for this to still be covered but I don’t mind. I’ve wanted a Ducati since I was a kid, just having one is a dream come to for me. To me it’s worth the cost to ride one of the worlds sought after motorcycle brands.
What does that have to do with maintaining a 16 year old bike bought used?
The newer Ducati bikes (many of them) have ditched the belts for a chain. Valve checks are now at 15k miles. Pretty much the same intervals as jap bikes. The gap has closed tremendously. My first service at a dealer away about $600 in Atlanta a few months ago.
FYI- I have wanted a Ducati for years. I also bought a V2 coming from a Triumph Speed Triple 1200RS.
The newer Ducati bikes (many of them) have ditched the belts for a chain. Valve checks are now at 15k miles. Pretty much the same intervals as jap bikes. The gap has closed tremendously. My first service at a dealer away about $600 in Atlanta a few months ago.
FYI- I have wanted a Ducati for years. I also bought a V2 coming from a Triumph Speed Triple 1200RS.
Ducati knows how to make a beautiful bike 🔥
For the prices Ducati ask for their bikes, I cant imagine what the Japanese could create
@@ashokathegreat4534 the fireblade vs v4s
@@ashokathegreat4534ninja h2
Yeah, this is great, but what if Ducati is “just too pedestrian”? What about my dreams of owning an ‘05+ MV Agusta F4 1000? Tell me that 312 KPH unicorn was forgotten by insurance companies!
Press F for your wallet
My 19 MV Dragster was $55/mo for comprehensive. But I'm also 37 with no accidents and good credit, so there's that.
@@onlyfoolriding8223 i think the fact that your bike isn’t classified as a “sportsbike” probably saved you some ducats too
@@emberducati9237 Yeah, agreed. I'm 38, but have one big hit on my record that I had to account for when buying my 1st bike. Went with a sub-500cc naked with low reputation of hooliganism.
MV? Too mainstream! Get have your personal assistant get Bimota on line 1 and your Swiss banker on line 2.
How many hours is one of those valve / belt inspections? I was trying to get a final cost difference, a summary like ‘over 25K mile the Ducati is 22% more costly’.
I think it depends on where you are by around where i live a full desmo service was about $2000 including the belts. Depending on the bike its a full days work for a tech. Spare parts are also very costly. I had a 2011 Multistrada and parts i got for it over the years like a front brake lever $160 for stock, rear brake caliper $400 etc. Expense of ownership is one of the reasons i no longer own it.
the service report on my 2016 hypermotard for desmo stated 6.9 hrs. @140/hr was 966 bucks labor. Parts were additional 440 putting me around 1400 total for the service. :(
where i live. desmo service is 1800 CAD it takes around 12 hours and independant shops aren't willing to work on ducati excepts for basic maintenances. Suzuki valve ajustment costs between 350 and 600 $.
@@TDub_ADV $2000 including parts? You're getting robbed on the labor. Yes, I own a Ducati myself.
@@AT2Productions Yes, including belts, shims, shop supplies etc. Yes, the labor was not at all cheap. The euro bike dealers around where i live are charging ~140 an hour for labor and the 2 dealers near me wrote it as a 12 hour job on that bike plus parts. Thats over 1600 just in labor. As another person posted, independent shops wont touch it because they do not want to have to invest in special tools that only work on one brand of motorcycle that they do not see very often. IE. a device to harmonically tension the belts. My local indy shop would not even put tires on it.
Bottom line is they are wonderful motorcycles but very expensive to own especially if you ride them a lot. I was doing a desmo service on that Multi every two years which is about 15k, right on the book schedule for the 2011 model year. So after two years of ownership i already had to dump 2k intro a desmo service and another 2 grand+ for multiple sets of new tires and front brakes brakes since they were spent by then too. So over 4k total in maintenance/upkeep after 2 years. After 9 years of ownership i put almost as much into maint of that bike as i did to buy it. I put a lot of touring miles on it and maintained it by the book, i also did everything i could myself just the big jobs like valves and tires went to the dealer. If it was 100% dealer maintained i cannot imagine the cost since even something as simple as an oil change costs over $400 at my Ducati dealer.
Compare that to the Honda that replaced it. Two years in and about 15k later and i'm in it for about $100 in oil changes and 40 bucks for an air filter, and one set of tires for ~700 thats it so far. Next year i will need tires again at some point and will need a valve check/adjustment but i can do that myself easily with no special tools needed and my local indy shop has no issues putting tires on a Honda.
Y'all are skipping over the unknown diamonds ducati has made in their air-cooled line of bikes. I have 2 of them. 2012 Monster 1100 EVO, and 2005 800 SuperSport. They are by far the most user-friendly and DIY friendly bikes I've ever owned. Mind you, I own a KX250f, a ZX6R, and at one point a FZ-07. Fairings are super simple to take off, engines are just as easy to strip down, and valvejobs can be done with relatively basic hand tools. I've done my own valvejobs with both my ducs for the past 3 years, as it's only 4 valves instead of the typical 8. $10.00 shims, $50.00 sprocket holder, a 6 pack of beer and 3 hours on a saturday. mid-00's supersports are selling for about $3-5k overall, and the vast majority of them are in fantastic condition.
Tl:;DR: Liquid cooling is not the way to go with ducati if you're looking for cheap fun. But if you get step to the side and go for air-cooling, it's the least expensive route to go european as far as initial and long-term price.
I second that! Bought an air cooled S2R 2005 monster in mint condition (5000 miles) for less than $ 4K. Insurance costs nothing! And the bike looks way better than current monster!
9k for a 07 gsxr1000?? i got mine in great condition on offerup for 3k you just need to shop around and stay away from dealerships my whole bike cost me less then the exhaust on a ducati!!
I can tell you as a F3 800 owner, the insurance cost is real. Shop around and you can find a good deal. Same for bikes
Hands down Ducati 1098 is the most beautiful bike of all time. A piece of art.
The xx98's are very easy to pull apart and service and fix. Just need that extra love because it's the small stuff that makes the bike expensive if you always ha e it done by a mechanic
Must be me or where I live but my Ducati was very similar insurance as any other breeds I’ve had . Services were similar except if belts needed adjusting . The higher cost of buying is probably irrelevant as the re sale is also higher..The thing I was slightly annoyed with was the fixings and fittings being cheap and made of cheesium .
Followed you all the way to the end and you were basically correct about the Ducati. Having experience with a 2000 900SSie I can attest to most of what you have said. But then at the end you made a fundamental, and really basic error when adding everything up. You forgot, or deliberately omitted the modifier from the 1098 column. It's called "SOUL". The 1098 has it in spades (Actually ALL Ducatis have it) and it negates ALL other costs. So, the Duke (Hail to Bologna) is way cheaper, actually free to own and the GXR is a piece of expensive crap. :-)
Thank you Japan for all the wonderful motorcycles. Big four leads in all categories. Who won the most super moto races. The big four!
One factor you missed. How easily can you afford the difference. How much does a few $1000 matter to you. If you've saved every penny for a year, then it matters a lot. If you're Tom Cruuse, probably not so much.
I'm pretty sure at this point they give Tom Cruise bikes.
You don't have to be some washed-up former top tier actor to afford a Ducati. I'm by no means rolling in the cash, and yet I own a Ducati with plans to add another one to the garage.
@@AT2Productions Of course not. But, the more disposable income you have; the easier it is to justify the additional cost.
@@keithgill4299 not all models are as extreme as this video and others talk about. Not every model offered by Ducati over the past 20+ years has the same level of investment. Or are we to judge all manufacturers by a single offering in their lineup from one time period?
@@AT2Productions Not sure why you're addressing this to me. I own a Ducati.
On insurance. The gsxr's are as common as town pigeons. Ducatis as you said are a fine piece of Italian art and highly desirable.
I'll still take the gsxr any day for speed and reliability overall.
Cool video, but it would have been interesting to compare more recent motorcycles (ducati vs japanese). Ducati have been stretching out the valve adjustments, but it's probably not cheaper, just less frequent than it was.
Or worse, even more money, even if less often.
@@Rick1984FL very possible, a valve job on the multistrada v4 must not be a bargain.
If you get a Gixxer you have to get Oakley Blades too. Add that cost in.
Add in roughly a grand at each service for me... I need to bundle it up and ship it 2400km to the dealer. Just reached first service interval on the PV4 and while I can do the oil change I can't reset the system.
6k for an exhaust means it'll be stock for it's lifetime.
Even getting rid of the mirrors for bar ends was nuts.
...but it's a fantastic bike after the burns heal lol
It's not a requirement to add a Termi exhaust. My Toce exhaust wasn't nearly that expensive and sounds spectacular. Plus I don't look like everyone else.
TurboBusa is so close to being revealed!
Still like a month out. the subscriber count over the last 100k has been moving up painfully slow.
I sold my yellow 1098... when i started my business.. :(
I miss my baby...
She looked just like that... everytime u post with a thumbnail of this bike i have instant fond memories...
Buy a Ducati... you will love it.. and miss it one day...
I always go with the big 4, but I admire the beauty of Ducati it is hands down a flex on my poor Kawasaki.
I did my own valve adjustment and timing belt change on my Ducati monster and that was a nightmare. But I did save so much money doing it myself
Practice makes perfect. I imagine that after a while you'd get it down easier and easier
I bought a Ducati because I like the styling, I like the sound and the feel and the experience at the dealership was fantastic. I can easily afford any potential costs of maintenance and I'm probably never going to have a Ferrari so why not get the motorcycle equivalent. You could ask the same of anyone who buys a Ferrari or Lambo, why didn't you buy a Japanese supercar like an LFA or NSX probably going to be more reliable and cheaper to maintain? Well because you want a Ferrari or Lamborghini and you can afford it so why not
Or split the difference and get a Lotus; euro styling with a Toyota heart
@@Rick1984FL Problem is there still built in the UK with UK electrics
Love the cutout of Yams head just chilling on the shelf lol
Great work, Spite👍 Rarely have I seen a more convincing proof of something I thought was blindingly obvious in the first place!😂
I really enjoyed this video, y’all should do more stuff like this with comparing prices of ownership
Yammie PLEASE do a vid on supermoto vs enduro dual sport like the fe350
You buy a Gixxer to "have a bike". You buy a Ducati because you're a motorcycle enthusiast. I'll stick with my V4 Speciale. 😉
I have a Scrambler and a 950S, (yes, I am old). The good thing about the service costs being so high is that it justifies buying tools and equipment! My ramp and various tools have probably already paid for themselves with a few DIY brake services and an oil change. You just need to apply some creative logic! Also, messing about with bikes is almost as fun as riding them. But you have to have two bikes if you're going to work on them yourself, because you will run into problems and need parts, tools, whatever.
In defense of Ducati, the newer models (anything 2015+) are MUCH less maintenance heavy. On the panigale valves are done every 15K miles, and belts are no longer used. Still expensive, but early 2000s Ducatis really are incredibly expensive to maintain.
Only if you pay someone else to do ALL the work for you. Yes, I own a 2005 Ducati, and the only service I hand off to others are the valves/belts.
It's like those old spice commercials: look at me, I'm on a horse. Now a boat. I'm watching Spite, and then Yam's goofy face on the shelf. Back to Spite! No, hey, over here on the shelf 😂
You know what? When Ole Pappa Yam does the “click the video over there 👉 yeah you over there, click it, Do It! DO IT !! CLICK IT!!!” Etc. I find myself clicking before I know it. So just so you guys know it works. Lmao.
I had the opposite, I priced out a 2010 ducati street fighter vs a 2006 cbr 1000rr, both were 6990.00 but the insurance was 400 dollars more per year for the honda vs the ducati.
I got Panigale V4 for my first bike ever and not even thinking of trying anything else!
I just can't get enough of the sound, looks and handling! It's perfect!
O4 vtx 1800, Cobra pipes,( bought it like that) 08 vtx 1800 , stock, 13 Raider stock, 06 R1, stock. They are all gorgeous, run fine, plenty fast,( too fast). But, I guess a workbench full of stock parts, to make room for " performance " parts, that get you tickets a bit faster, are all in what you like. Gotta love Murica.
A mate of mine bought a 1299 Panigale a couple of years ago to be stablemate to his R1. He has heaps of money so good luck to him.
My mate had a Ducati and people would say to him, nice bike how you getting home, because they always break down
I daily ride a old 2007 ducati, it never failed me.
37,000 mls on my last one. 3,000 mls on the new one. That's almost twice round the equator.. No problems with either so far.
Where was your M8 riding that they always broke down? The moon.
maybe 20 years ago .. THAT'S BS
You can buy a 1 gallon jug of Yamalube from you local dealer for under $30. My local dealer in L.A. sells it for $26.99.
Next video... do a price comparison between a 2008 Suzuki Car and a 2008 Ferrari
I have a ducati, live in a city and own two other vehicles (I am the only driver), I pay less than 300/year insurance
Inspired by your 1098 videos I checked some insurances for it. So many variables that affect the stuff but still... I was kinda shocked that (in my case) 01' R6 was slightly more expensive to insure than 07' 1098.
With fair authority I can tell you It's the amount of claims a certain bike gets over its production life that spikes its cost to insure more so than engine size or MSRP.
I've used my sticker off my 92 fzr 600 on my 00 yzf r6, and going over Donner's Pass one year at 120 mph the cop was I think taking a piss
I figured he won't bother , but many miles up ahead I was impressed he was coming
But I seem him before he could clock me on his gun, I slowed down and pulled over
(And was aware he hadn't gotten me radared)
He was having trouble believing my cycle was a 92, and said the numbers were pulling it up as a 2008 ? He contacted my insurance and it came back insured
But he wasn't completely satisfied, as he was inspecting my vin sticker on the frame he asked me in a way sort of he said
Don't these motorcycles have numbers stamped into the frame somewhere
(Which was literally inches to the right on the gooseneck.
But my reply to him was "have you ever rode motorcycles" he said no, and my immediate reply shrugging my shoulders was "I don't know"
I lied, send me to hell, after everything taking a good couple of hours, he informed me that he wasn't going to ticket me for taking so much of my time and let me go
Oh I forgot initially when he got me pulled over, he asked what's my hurry, and I honestly said, I like riding fast, the roads are great and traffic was spread out enough that conditions were perfect, and they were.
I'm afraid that won't always work for me, but that time was great, insurance on a motorcycle, I don't expect to live through any wrecks, insurance is a scam!
I'm a wealthy guy.
I can afford anything.
Yes anything. Even private aircraft.
I bought a Royal Enfield 650 twin.
Screw and locknut valves.
Never leaks a drop.
Doesn't use a drop.
Doesn't vibrate.
It barely does 100 MPH downhill.
It's a problem free "English" bike from 50 years ago when I was 17 and knew enough not to buy English bikes.
Only 100 MPH?
I get by.
Here in SoCal, big 4 dealerships charge $110 per HALF-HOUR on labor!! 😳
Damn only 12k from 1 mil subs.... 2021 was the year of the Yam. I'm looking forward to seeing that Turbo Busa
Older Ducati ownership cost can be reduced by using a good specialist 3rd party workshop, I have 2 good ones fairly local to me that I always go to before a main dealer. Have saved me thousands of £££££ maintaining my 848 evo. Interim servicing is no more expensive then a Gixer, the Desmo service every 7500 miles is the one that bites with valve check/shimming etc. My Desmo service last year (2022) including new belts and vale check was £600 and that included all oils/filters changed and every inch of the bike checked over torqued and lubed, genuine parts where used. They are certainly an exotic bike though so will come at a premium. I have been thinking of buying an older Gixer as a second bike, 2003-2005 GSXR 600-750's are for sale for £2500-£3000 in the UK off season...
Hey! You think Ducs are expensive? Try Aprilia and MV Agusta. Nice bikes, but I would not want to be near the bill for either brand, especially Aprilia. They simply are not worth the expense! I have a 2005 Suzuki GSXR 1000 and 2 Ducatis and although they are easily 40 years old, I will be keeping them forever!
Ducatis are more expensive to buy and to maintain, absolutely. But, as one who has been riding for 50+ years and has owned fourteen bikes of different brands, NOTHING stirs my soul like a Ducati. The key to affording a Ducati or any exclusive vehicle is to perform your own maintenance. And when you say that you performed the Desmo service yourself you get instant respect. Is Ducati the best bike made? No, but it is pure mechanical bliss to this jaded old rider. But, hey, that's just me. ;-)
Comparing a motorcycle equivalent of a Ferrari to a Nissan GT-R is hardly a surprise to anyone.
I was beginning to have Yammie withdrawals
Ducati = Ferrari
GSXR = Toyota
I have a SFV4s. You get what you pay for lol
And if you own a Ducati I kinda doubt that the money or cost to Maintain would be a issue.
GSXR = Lexus LFA (fast, best sound ever, best reliability)
Ducati = Ferrari (fast beautiful work of art, good sound, bad reliability, high maintenance cost, low mileage garage queens that often break down even at low mileage).
SFV4s, good looking bike but falls way behind on curvy roads compared to better engineered bike Super Duke R and new Super Duke RR (especially the Super Duke R EVO 2022 with Suspension Pro package), also the new 2022 SFV2 is better looking than the SFV4, and a 6000 dollars 2005 GSXR-1000 obliterates the SFV4 on the streets and on the race track. The power of the SFV4 comes too late (especially on the road) Facts :-)
How much is a valve adjustment on a Ducati in hours? That wouldve been helpful.
Very few (if any) Ducati owners made their decision to purchase based on the factors this video presents. If you can afford the upfront cost of a Ducati and the ongoing costs associated with it, you make that purchasing decision without worrying how much some other Japanese bike compares to it, dollar for dollar. I have a 2015 Ducati, have ridden almost 30,000 miles, and it has been bulletproof. The expensive maintenance items are the 18,000 mile valve service and timing belt replacement. Other than those, I have to deal with the same wear items as any other bike - tires, brake pads, chain, fluids etc. As to the valves and belts, I just factor those costs into the ownership of a not-your-average motorcycle.
Owning a Ducati isn’t just about owning a fast bike. Just like guitars, I can buy a Yamaha and it will play like a guitar. Or I can buy a Martin and spend wayyyy more, but it’s a Martin, there’s something special, something different… Locally here in Utah we have benefits with our euro dealer. They have multiple track days that are specific to euro bikes only, and it’s totally rented out and free run for us. You can jump in and out of laps, hang out with guys, no set schedule. It’s a great time.
Just get old....Ive learned to do most work myself, slowly collected the tools. have Ducati mechanic friends that do the belt for $240.
Oh, and insurance for 1984 Toy PU, 1990 F250, 2008 FJ Cruiser , 2004 Lexus 470, 2014 GSXR1000 and 2008 1098S is a whopping $1400/year!
Added the Duc for about $160/year. Combine with 45+ years of riding experience and few get past. (new $28,000 V4s)
Is it just me or there wasn't any videos the last two days?
Japanese all the way. Great review my friend......Spite....or is it Spike, I'm English and yammies accent is strong when he says your name.
“Well I did a ton of research in the last couple of days”
Spoke like desmodromic valves bruh !
I wish they made uel headers for bikes. Unequal length headers. It’s would give them a very unique and desirable sound.
lots of great info, Spite!
Insurance on my 2007 BMW R1200RT is $358 a year for full coverage plus riding gear loss. Kinda crazy since only 18 year olds buy and instantly yeet these things like 10 times a day.
Got one, worth every penny though. Only reason I got a ducati is the fact I'm 6'11 330lbs and it was the only litre bike I could fit on comfortably
God Bless You
You're a BIIIIGGGG BOY.
No grease on the pegboard, 1/2" breaker bars, way up high in 2 ring holders, new looking socket sets hanging, bench, no stains, clean enough to sit on. Wish my shop looked that un used.
Recently i own a Street Triple RS which costs me about 700€ per year. I called my insurance for information about the Street Fighter V2 prices. The SF2 would be about 40€ cheaper than the RS... Germany
What about Ducati Scrambler? Would it be the same much more expensive than others in the same class?
Yeah. Did those same numbers in 2019 and had the same results. So I bought myself the next best thing; a 2002 Honda RC51 for under 5K. And yes, although I would still love to own a Ducati, my RC51 does a great job at filling that void. Besides, who wouldn't want to own a bike that Honda built just to beat Ducati and then actually BEATING them!!!
HOOOOOOLY hell those insurance jumps...
They must not care about dual sport hooligans. A Grom, XT250, and T7 cost me ~450 @Progressive a year full coverage on all of them (and not VA minimums either :O ). 30yrs old here for reference with a clean record.
You can get a monster for a pretty good price, if I'm going to get a full fared sport bike it's going to be an inline 4 screamer..But for now I'll stick to my mto7 it's all I need 💯
Da fuq. I have a 2004 Ducati 749S and it’s like 300 a year for insurance. Spent 3k on maintenance in the last year though. (Fork seals, tyres, chain, timing belt/valve). Extra $1300 for the termignoni race pipe
Ducati and MV Agusta are known to be expensive to buy, repair and maintain, also Aprilia (because it's need to be repaired every 2 days maybe.. 😅). But i think that here in Italy is possible to have and maintain a bike like these with similar costs of a Japanese one because here everyone, and intending really everyone knows how to repair a Ducati or MV Agusta with minimum cost and energy, literally everyone. I think this is one little fortune to live in Italy ❤
Feeling smug owning a Honda CB500F as my daily commuter 😁
Ducatis, especially from that era, are for people who don't really care how much it costs to maintain them.
I have to say the feeling I got the first time I rode a Ducati was like nothing else. I felt like I was on some kind of exotic vehicle.
Well, that goes for BMW riders as well, and since i am a BMW rider.. LOL!
@@lex1945 BMW bikes are nice I’ve always wanted one! Never been on one though. Hopefully one day.
I have a 848 and 1098. Both are 2009 and I have mods that total 11,000 bucs.
Good comparo, but I suggest buying a old two valve air cooled Duc & a service manual. All the joys without the broken wallet!👍
desmo adjustments are the most blown out of proportion service item in terms of difficulty
Does that mean they're really easy or really hard?
@@cesartapia610 they’re about the same as doing clearances on any other dohc engine you just have to do everything twice
Bro I’m just trying to get my first bike also the yam head in the back is so funny
Ducati's have always been expensive, from the small singles, Desmo or not to the latest bikes ...When l bought a new Guzzi LeMans in 77/9 it was 200 pounds sterling less than a 900 SS Bevel drive Ducati...which l owned later. It wasn't unreliable but it did need TLC from the owner.... Plus, the dealer network was rubbish compared with nowadays, so being mechanically minded was imperative...Great bike if you can afford them though...
My 2016 Ducati monster 821 cost 320$ a year for full coverage. I got 3 bikes insured.
I am paying 750 a year on a 21 streetfighter v4s via progressive, SE michigan.
Lmao I'm paying $4300 a year on mine upstate NY
I would not want a dry clutch it would drive me nuts if my motor sounded like it has rocks inside it
Comparing a stainless exhaust to a titanium one… seems legit. Ducatis after 2015 or so only require desmo service every 18K miles. The brand new bikes are even longer. My dealer charges $1000 for it. $1K every 18K miles isn’t horrible IMO. I had a 2022 CB1000R and State Farm wanted $255/mo. A 2022 CBR1000RR was $285/mo. My 2022 Diavel 1260S is $90/mo, as is my Streetfighter V4S. Progressive only wanted $80/mo for the CB1000R so I went with them until I got rid of it for the SFV4S. Shop around.
damn... those prices on insurance are not fun) my annual policy is about $26 :D it's for 600cc 2008 year motorcycle. for my previous 200cc was about $15, and it's been like that since 2017 and that time i was fresh motorcycle driver (which should've affected the cost i'm pretty sure). i can't even think of paying like $1200 for the insurance policy :D
Just like a Harley, you pay a little more for a premium bike. Not much difference with regular bike costs but worth while. Yamaha’s and Honda’s on every corner. All modern hikes are dependable. Buy what pulls your heart strings
No way did you just compare a Ducati to a Harley🤣
So who won that giveaway Honda??