The Worst House in Game of Thrones History
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00:00 The Worst Houses
01:08 House Peake
02:04 The Origins of House Peake
02:49 An Early Rivalry
03:39 Targaryen Conquest
04:15 Jaehaerys' Reign
04:48 The Dance of the Dragons (HotD Spoilers)
05:36 Unwin Peakes (Lighter HotD Spoilers)
07:55 Orphan-Maker
08:29 Blackfyre Rebellions
09:48 The Peake Uprising
11:33 The Future of the Peakes
12:34 Conclusions - บันเทิง
Question I forgot to ask in the video: who's your fan casting for Unwin Peake in House of the Dragon?
Peter Capaldi
@@narnilphilomythus2821 LMAO
Joel Edgerton. Seeing him in the Green Knight made me wish he did more medieval acting
Nic Cage
Ok, Nicholas Cage would be balls to the wall.
> is named "Unwin"
> loses
We have to stop letting Martin get away with this
'tis Uther Shett
Yeah or at least give him honorary title of Spoiler -ser Spoiler Unwin Peak. Much better
He named several members of House Tully after Muppets and Sesame Street Characters: Grover, Elmo, Oscar, Kermit...
Lmao 😅
Nothing is worse than the muppet tully
Peake conflicts be like:
"Lord Piek Peake's 10 yr old daughter, Piper Peake gets rejected as a potential wife for King Aegon the Xth. As a response, House Peake launches a rebellion.
Casualties:
Rebels: 3 wounded (scratched by a kitten)
Royalists: 2000 knights dead, the king (Burnt to death by Oil poured on him from the battlements) , the hand, the master of coin and his mistress.
4500 wounded
Aftermath: House Peake loses 3 acres of Land. Lord Peake's son becomes a Ward at Storm's End for 3 years.
Oml, this actually killed me
Funny af
Common Peake W
Crusader Kings 2 ass House
What did the mistress do 😂
You forgot to mention that Unwin is canonically stronger than Jaime because when he pushed a kid out the window they stayed down.
Fax
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Common Peake W
Unwin the Based.
One of my favorite parts of Fire and Blood was Unwin Peake threating to resign as Hand of the King of Aegon III, and the council of regents was just like, "Cool, we're all sick of you anyway, gtfo."
Lord Ouchwin moment
All bc Aegon wouldn't marry his daughter Lady Turnips
The most iconic moment in this house’s history is when Unwin said “It’s Peakin’ time.” And Peaked all over Westeros. Truly he was the Hand of all time.
Dude I’ve never seen a guy Peake like that before
He certainly peaked, perhaps the most peak of all time
Is that meme still alive ?
House Peake performance
> Never get punish by killing thier king
> Le rebellion
> Blackfyre simp
@@SurfParadise52 He obviously had a Peake at the ending and know he’d get off Scot free ..
I for one enjoy Jaime repeating the Moonboy phrase. It represents so much and is often humorous in its timing.
I think it’s pretty on point for a man obsessed with a woman. I like it
Imagine inserting a loving reference to an author you admire by naming a House after him...
And then filling that House with irredeemable arseholes
Anyone who's read the Gormenghast trilogy would know that is the perfect homage to Mervyn Peake
Martin does that a few times. There's at least two references to Robert Jordan in Westeros, and the map collection/World of Ice and Fire include locations like "Leng" and "Carcosa."
@@thor30013 My fantasy knowledge at the moment extends only to the classics
Because I have the kind of OCD that makes me consume media in anything that resembles a chronological order, so I started reading fantasy with Lord Dunsany
@@thor30013 "Leng" is the name of the underwater city in LP. Weirdocraft's "Mountains of madness"
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Props to the Peakes for killing a King in their rebellion something the Blackfyres couldn’t do in 5 rebellions. Common Peak W Uwinbros rise up
No one likes the Peakes
@@kingofdragons7 I do
Imagine rising up against the crown 3 times in the span of like 50 years and still being around as a house.
Sigma Peake grindset 💯💪⚔️
@@SwampGreen14LOL true. The Reynes and Tarbecks went extinct over a loan. Here the Peakes killed a monarch and never really suffered much. 🤣
@@kingofdragons7 I genuinely do
> kill Targ king
> kill Lannister
> kick Manderlys away from MANDER so hard they end up across the continent
Sounds pretty good to me
Also the reference to Gormenghast series author, Mervyn Peake is pretty cool.
U forgot kill the queen
Yeah throw a little girl out a window too so cool
PEAKE PERFORMANCE
>makes manderly's the strongest house in the North as opposed to a minor reach house
> ends the green bloodline
> supports based daemon blackfyre
Dare I say Chad house?
What a loyal family supporting the True Kings House Blackfyre and killing a pretender
Yes sir lord Rivers sir 🫡
Based sigma Blackfyre enjoyer
Betafyre
@@davidlewis5312 Chadfyre
@@aegorbittersteel2154 All too common Peake W.
General public after GoT ended: interest on ASOIAF is about to go so down
Me, 2023: this House Peake video is about to be crazy
Asoiaf was meant to be consumed by a small number of freaks getting too invested in minutiae as the lord intended; the show was Icarus flying too close to the sun and only now is the wax cooling is the salted foam of an icy sea.
Little piece of trivia, Dustonbury was actually the original castle of the Manderlys, which suggests that the Peake sigil used to be different before they exiled them and acquired it
Every house took castles from other houses like house stark they killed the marsh kings and took there castle🏰
@@debamlyabanerjee4067 yeah but the Peakes have 3 castles in their sigil. he's saying they didnt get their third until after they got Dustonbury so they would have had a different sigil. Learn how to read
They always had 3 castles because they dressed for the job they wanted.
"When you play the game of thrones you either win or you Unwin"
I kinda like House Peake. Even the "worst" Houses tend to have at least some impressive moments in the series, and for such terrible (or perhaps just very unlucky) plotters the Peake's have definitely left a lasting legacy in Westeros. A small, relatively powerless house that always manages to turn shit into gold in times of crisis, only for unforeseen circumstances to ungold their shit.
Or you can say they have a tendency of Unwinning their victories.
The Greyjoy's seemed to have pissed off most of the high lords of the realm over the centuries, and somehow haven't been stripped of their holdings. I guess I can believe Peakes keeping their lands.
With the Greyjoys it's believable at least. It'll be hard root them out of their archipelago and they're practically and can just sprout out anywhere.
What I'm actually surprised is the Greyjoys didn't had a larger presence in the Stepstones prior to them acquiring holding on the mainland. The Stepstones are perfect for them, it's like their homeland, just warmer and lusher.
@@nunyabiznes33I wondered the same about the Stepstones. Dalton Greyjoy should have been all over that place.
Well if you are counting all the ass holery that Ironborns have done then let me tell you it wasn't done under house Greyjoy alone as house Hoare, house Greyiron and others have also lead the Ironborns into all those raids and now are extinct.
Hey at least House Peake generously shared their plot armor with the main characters of the TV show once the Aegon plot was cut out.
If I ever get to submit a question to GRRM himself "How the hell does House Peake still have a castle?" is near the top. Whatever the Lothstons did to lose Harrenhal during Maekar's rule better be epic because whatever it was it didn't involve killing the man.
"How is Maekar going to take away our castle, if we kill him?"
-Lord Peake, 233 AC.
Peake hate is a sign of low intellectual standing
How? They are pieces of shit, hating them is the only option
Based and correct opnion
The Peakes simply do what most human beings would.
@@gooby214 y'all are horrible
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When reading Fire & Blood it really makes sense as to why later on in the story in Dunk & Egg why the Peakes supported the Blackyres. Because of how often they rebelled against the Targaryens, especially after they killed Maekar, I wonder why their house wasn't straight up destroyed.
Also the Targaryens always having to put the Peakes down makes me think of "how many times we have to teach you this lesson old man!?"
You forgot Martin learning a new cool word every book.
Ooh, this is something I haven’t noticed. Can you give an example?
He learned them from his nuncle.
@@mattmorales4320 dunno about "cool" but mayhaps, cus and nuncle come to mind
Nuncle showing up in every paragraph halfway through the series
@@mattmorales4320 It's been a while since I reread the books. I probably should. But I know lief was one of them. I think he also really got into loath for a while (which is different than loathe).
The only explanation why Bloodraven didn't wipe the house Peake clean from the existence Maegor the Cruel style after the whole mess with Maekar must be because he saw them in the future having a big role to play against the Others in the Long Night, because like the fact that they got away with this was insane
They haven't even begun to Peake yet.
Or it's just Egg being merciful.
I’d argue that houses Lannister and Frey aren’t depicted as historically evil, like house Bolton and Peake are. They seem to be as much of a mixed bag as any other lords. The Freys are always prickly because they’re “new money” that will never be fully respected by most other well-established houses.
Tywin and Walter are just such complete bastards in the modern story, and were in control of their houses for so long that they seem more awful. But let’s not forget that Starks have quite a few ruthless lords in their history too.
But I’m not arguing about Peake and Bolton. They’re clearly rotten.
Bracken seems to have more assholes than usual but their feud with Blackwood seems pretty evenly split with crappy behavior all around.
The Brackens are apparently the native in the area with regards to the Blackwoods so I wouldn't blame them for being pissed.
@@nunyabiznes33They adopted the Faith of the Seven, the lost that native status when they did that
In addition to that, there’s been some terrible Starks
But also george wrote the bwoods to be so much cooler than the brackens lol
@@enzorossi9853 I mean that’s true. While both houses probably are some level of arse, we’ve got Bloody Ben, Alysanne, and of course Bloodraven for the Blackwoods. Bracken hasn’t had any fun characters like that yet that I can recall.
I am no House Peake sympathizer,but i always considered the Hyper Loyalty of House Manderly to the Starks of Winterfell to be not as well intentioned as alot of ASOIAF fans believe.
House Manderly being chased out of the Reach has to be more complex than just House Peake whispering in the Ears of House Gardener,i think House Peake just capitalized on House Manderly's history of Overreaching and it ended up Costing them dearly,Similar to how the Blackwoods were originally a Northern House that was chased out by the Starks.
Manderlys being so visibly loyal to the Starks, in order to be ready to step in if house Stark falls? I doubt Manderlys would mind being the "regent king in the North" for a last heir of the Starks...
In books Lord Manderly knew where Rickon was at n had the Onion Knight to bring him back so they could use Rickon, as regents, to take back the North from the Boltons.
The Blackwoods aren’t native to the north.
@@juandavidrestrepoduran6007 I mean....they are the most prominent Riverland House known for its historic ties to the north and its not far off to believe the Wolfswood of the Northern Kingdom were originally known as the Blackwoods before being forced to flee from the north just like the Manderly's.
Justice for Jaehaera.
Nah. She was just another inbred Targ. Who cares.
Justice for Unwin.
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874finally a reasonable opinion
@@judeconnor-macintyre9874 considering the bullshit he did and got away with, I will get the block, you get lord peake and we will let Prince Viserys pick out the ax. I am sure he has one already
Surprised you didn't mention the "friends in the Reach" line from Laswell Peake. Potentially means Titus Peake and Starpike are also gonna push for Aegon Blackfyre.
I meant to! Some things got lost in the video-makin’ shuffle.
The biggest thing I've seen to come out of the "Friends in the Reach" discussion is the idea that House Redwyne,Like House Frey during the Butterwell-Frey wedding/second Blackfyre Rebellion has been keeping communications open on both sides. They have the most feared fleet in Westeros and yet they didn't send any ships in Support against the Golden Company in the War of the Ninepenny kings.
@@dominiqueodom3099 House Tarly also seems like a good candidate. The Reach is ruled by women in Randyll's eyes, as Mace Tyrell is more a figurehead for the Queen of Thorns. Randyll Tarly is quick to dismiss news of Jon Con and FAegon as nothing but Kevan Lannister has doubts and thinks him dangerous. Then Kevan is killed by Varys, another supporter of Aegon.
Targaryens are known for some bad decisions but Maekar going to lead the breach of Starpike was probably one of the worst
Maekar had a deathwish and went out of his way to get killed in battle, that’s what I’m betting
@@warlordofbritanniainternalised guilt from accidental fratricide is a bitch
@@warlordofbritannia But didn‘t his death lead to a succession crisis?
Wait, that sounds exactly like something Maekar would do.
Why not at least appreciate his warrior spirit & the fact he was a king fighting his battles
@@laza0202And he wielded a big mace for crushing knights. Maekar was cool
Peakes are even more awesome than I realized. Like they killed a monarch and just kept going? Shit if ASoIaF is really a critique of monarchy than they're one of the only truly based houses XD
"House Peake is evil for supporting Aegon II, the Blackfyers, and Aegon VI"
Well then.. I see Im in the out crowd.
It’s more the things they did in support of those causes and others that are bad.
@@QuinnTheGM I was joking. It felt like a "are we the badies moment."
Honestly with everything Unwin did during the regency to Aegon's remaining blood from how he treated Gaemon Palehair to what happened to Jaehaera you'd figure he was an ultra-Black supporter.
House Peake is lucky they didn't rebel under Tywin Lannister. He would have a new house song.
„3 Pikes for House Peake“
“In brick of gold, or brick of black, a castle still has walls.”
“And mine are tall, and strong my lord, as tall and strong as yours.”
“And so he spoke, and so he spoke, that lord of Starpike.”
“And now the Peaks of those high walls, weep for none to hear.”
Would've ended with a dead Tywin.
House Peake are out of Tywin's reach. They live in the Reach.
@@gooby214"This ends up killing Lord Robert Rain and Tywald Lannister, so two other high lords".
This event shows the Lannisters would operate in a rebelling region. So the Peakes are not out of Tywin's reach.
I mean being on the losing side of several wars does not make a house "evil" like you repeatedly say
Martin tends to view sides of certain conflicts as evil, and the Peakes are consistently on Martin’s least favorite side.
@QuinnTheGM thats just not true. Literally the opposite. He goes out of his way to show there's good and bad on both sides. Even portrays Eddard as a fool with the way characters like Jorah talk about him.
Hell Jaimes whole character is a testament to this.
Pretty much every conflict in the book he makes it somewhat ambiguous on who was in the right because it is totally subjective. Even when there is a clear cut "villain" there's always a few characters on their side who are somewhat good natured and just there due to circumstance. He even tries to makes us sympathize with the odd Frey.
I won't lie, that Peake Rebellion just made me love the Peakes.
The Peakes are just me playing CK3
Peake rebellion was more effective than all the Blackfyre rebellions combined. Killed a King, the Lord of Casterly Rock and the Lord of Castamere.
Also don’t know if it’s brought up enough, but stealing Orphan Maker from house Roxton was probably one of the most scummy things you could do. The Roxtons are a fairly small house with their only real claim to fame being that sword and the man just pulls finders keepers instead of just returning the sword following Jon Roxton’s death.
Am I evil for laughing at poor Roxtons....?
@jaqenhghar764 No, you are not. Bold Jon Roxton deserved such a thing considering what he did.
This house is literally peak. Their sigil should be a troll face.
Peake Performance
Yea
He ain't losing. He is just UNWINning
One of the best GOT channels I've been subscribed too. My favorite part is when Unwin Peaked all over himself
Unwin threatening to abdicate the office of The Hand and the entire small council and the king accepting it without skipping a beat is *chefs kiss*
Hell say what you want, but even most of the other "evil" houses have a more sympathetic history.
House Frey might have come from exploiting their bridge, but really it was a smart move and they didn't go full bastard mode until Walder came around.
The Lannisters have their ups and downs for sure, but really its mostly Tywin and Cersei that stick out as the main antagonistic forces.
Boltons are....ok yeah can't really defend those guys.
Brackens definitely have their fair share of shitty actions themselves, but honestly they seem pretty reasonable as long as you keep them away from the Blackwoods. Plus, their whole feude is so ambiguous in origin that they may have been in the right at one point, even if we're generally lead to sympathize with the Blackwoods more often than not.
And the hoares? And greyjoys?
@@matztz_4560 I mean aside from the fact that iron island culture is kind of terrible on a fundamental level, I looked into the Hoares and they too are a surprisingly diverse bunch in terms of evilness. There were at least two periods in history when the Hoares are surprisingly liberal in their approach, aiming for trade, cooperation with the mainland and discouraging or even outlawing the old way, adopting the faith of the seven either wholly or in part and gaining the support of the westerlands in one instance. Obviously that didn't last, one line of "good" Hoares was overthrown by a much more antagonistic member of the family and then there's obviously the three that ruled the Riverlands (which also followed a period of much more peaceful iron island rulers).
It's similar for the Greyjoys. Admittedly I could find fewer examples of good Greyjoys, but theres a few examples still of them trying to be more closely tied to the mainland and even letting the faith of the seven back (which didn't last long). Hell, Quellon Greyjoy, Theon's grandfather, tried to reform the islands to be much more peaceful and to get rid of the old way, only to be survived by three sons that couldn't care less for his plans.
And to be honest, House Frey taxing the bridge is just the equivalent of every other house that taxes the smallfolk living on their land. At least in their case, there was no bridge there before (as far as we know), so it's a convenient service that they're charging extra for.
That Dampair chapter in Dance was absolutely the bees knees man.
House Peake. Rebelled against the Targaryens. Maekar died along with a few Lannisters. Indirectly leading to Tytos becoming Lord of Casterly Rock because his older brother, Tywins uncle, died at Starpeak with the King.
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So we should thank the Peake for the existence of Tywin Lannister
1:13 Your worn-down-from-teaching voice always makes my day, Quinn
Did they chose the wrong sides or is this all part of the House Peake Master Plan?
Peaked? I haven't even begun to Peake. When I do everyone in Westeros is gonna feel it.
Urwin Peake was one of the most infuriating characters while i was reading Fire and Blood, i have no doubt that he was involved in Jaehaera's murder
Based Unwin killing a targshit.
2:50 this is one of the reasons i absolutely love ASOIAF lore. I was looking over the map a few weeks ago (i was on book 5 and wanted to get a better look at the geography of dorn and highgarden). I was on the chapter where Stannis was mocking the fact lord Manderly was too fat to ride a horse, and just read the chapter Davos had jested that despite Manderly being fat he was still busy building Galleys. Lots of mention of Manderly...and then i see the river Mander in the reach.
It clicked in my head and i was like "wait...this cant be a coincidence" and guess what? IT ISNT. ITS PART OF THE LORE. GRRM YOUVE DONE IT AGAIN. Every single detail is accounted for.
Unwin Peake was something else. If its ever revealed that he truly did assassinate Jaehaera, this guys gonna be metaphorically jumped by the fans with every power that Memes may grant
That, and man was he a terrible Hand. Not a single positive thing that I can recall came out of this guy.
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House Uller of Dorne is said to be pretty awful. I'd put them on the list.
They very likely tortured Rhaenys had she survived.
@@nunyabiznes33 An understandable move, stupid nonetheless.
@@nunyabiznes33Torturing incestuous genocidal imperialists is pretty based actually
@@nunyabiznes33 Rhaenys deserved every bit of it. Absolutely.
@@kallemort Indeed. No one invited those Targs in Westeros. They asked for it. Dorne did nothing wrong, simply defended their home.
Thanks for the heads up before the HotD section
Whenever I would play CK2 I loved to play as the Gardeners right before Aegon’s conquest. They are primed to have their heir marry a Peake girl and I always maintained that connection in my role play… though i would also eventually recruit a Manderly to come down and take back Dunstonbury too of course.
Big respect for the skip to the next part bit, nice video ill sub
It's funny because Martin's all like, "I don't really have people be all good or all bad ... shades of grey..Grey... blah blah," and then he proceeded to do the opposite with certain houses
Orphan Maker was the best part of this video 😎 now I must know more about this sword ⚔️
they killed a Targaryen? Bobby B approves
I've only watched 2 of your videos including this one and they were both great, I'm subscribing.
Killing filthy Targs is based TTD Total Targ Death
I love unwin peake, i was gonna make a video on him so i was researching and found this dope ass video, great work yet again dude
Gormenghast is like my favorite fantasy series of all time so i will always love house peake unconditionally
This is like Gormanghast fan fic! I see you GRRM and I love it! Hahaha!!!!
Awesome content do more family history vids!!
The fact that this house hasnt been eradicate is beyond me
Sacrifice for House Algorithm
LORD LOSE THE MOST POSSIBLE
Literally got fire and blood the first day it released and not until now did I get the name.
Lmaooo
Dude is such a sore loser
keep up the amazing videos i love this shit ( we need an in-depth explanation on the peaks uprising that killed maekar!)
LmL had a great point on his last stream about “why the heck is this house even still there GRRM?”
George and the little things dont always make sense look at house osgrey they joined daemon to get their castle back that king maegor stole when lord osgrey spoke out against maegor yet not one of his descendants went to jaehaerys asking for that back
Thanks for another video 👍
>house Ball
**Bron's laughter**
One of the best parts of Unwin’s tenure as Hand is that when trying to marry his daughter, Myrielle, to Aegon III, Aegon questioned wether or not he would like her. Unwin says something like “You don’t like turnips, but you still eat them when the cook prepares them.” So poor Myrielle Peake gets stuck with the nickname “Lady Turnips”
Hey Quinn since you are a fan of Barry I would love you do a thematic breakdown of the show such as how it portrays what happens when individuals perpetuate the cycle of violence! 🤓
I don't like the characterization of these houses as bad for advancing their house and family through any means necessary, just as everyone else is doing. They're just doing what's required of them. Really I'd like to hear the Brackens side of the story.
exactly. The whole basis of this video is just naive. It's from the pov of a Stark/ Targaryen loyalist and completly looks over the shitty things those two have done. The Starks have eradicated multiple houses in their quest to conquer the North. The Targaryens equally saw many houses go extinct. I mean, can anyone defend Aegon roasting the entire Gardener family out of existance as good? Or Hoares even? Everyone is looking out for themselves and stoop as low as needed in the situation and the moral grandstanding in this video just comes across as oblivious.
Except the Boltons who should've been wiped out thousands of years ago
No, its one of the most based minor houses ive seen so far
He killed Roger of Pennytree. Never forget.
Kool story keep up the good work
I wouldn't consider House Frey to be a hat house in the books, the Freys have a variety of personalities and goals. Some Freys are dicks like "Black" Walder Frey but there are also pretty nice Freys like Ser Stevron or Ser Cleos, It's just in universe most people tend to assume the worst of them and treat them pretty poorly.
Walder made sure that House Frey is the most irredeemable house in Westeros
You forgot house wyl and house uller they basically the Bolton's of the north
Boltons of the south
Great video
“OOOOH GORMIE” in DavidreadsASOIAF’s voice is the first thing that comes to mind when I hear of House Peake.
Well I know what house I'm gonna be apart of for my supervillain arc of CK3 AGOT
I'm just happy to be here.
It was peak information, thanks
This video made me laugh out loud 😂 When you talked about how they killed the king and other two high lords with a giant rock I was wheezing 😂😂
I am Peakeing so hard at the idea of Unwin in HotD 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I watched a Lore video about the regency of Aegon III and I’ve never disliked a fictional character more than Unwin Peake and I’m thankful for the validation this video gives me
House Peake? Castles on coat of arms? Lord Titus?
Okay, this is clearly an hommage for Mervyn Peake and the Gormenghast series
“Boiled leather”
George has never shown more restraint than not saying ‘Lord Balls was stabbed in the groin during a ball’ and then explaining a bard was castrated for making up a limerick ‘The Balls of the Balls’ that now everyone in the Reach knows by heart and will be quoted every chapter.
Unwin Peake was most likely named after Tolkein's first publisher (Unwin) and the author of the Gormenghast trilogy (Mervyn Peake)
This is the ideal Westerosi noble house. You may not like it, but this is what Peake performance looks like.
You may not like it, but this is what Peake performance looks like
I always suspected they had Orphan-Maker confiscated at some point, possibly after Gormon Peake's execution
how these pricks got away with rebelling against the crown three times (in about one lifetime) twice under Bloodraven, and are not extinct or exile is a mystery
Ngl they have a really cool digit and colors
house peake bieng the worst house depends on what you mean by worst for example house stark is the eldest surviving house and we know have destroyed dozens of houses for example houses frost, towers , amber, greenwood and greystark to name a few they even slaughtered the andals still on the andalos coast after a failed invasion by artos sevenstar
house lannister is mainly feared due to the reynes of castamere yet the starks have done far worse in their conquest of the north
house peake i think are simply ambitious lords much like the tyrells but were in over their heads and dont know how to quit
i think house stark is both good house with a harsh yet also just past.
i also think that house stark could have been a more sucessful version of house peake in the sense that they desend from brandon the blood blade who was apparently the second eldest and the most gifted of all of garth greenhands children
this means that dye to the extinction of house gardener as the eldest and strongest cadet branch of house gardener bieng the ruled the north longer than the gardeners have done the reach the starks i thing have the strongest claim to the throne of the reach as king or lord paramount.
the starks could have used their shared origins with the eldest and strongest reach houses for example tarly redwyne rowan and oakheart to boost their claim the reach by making lord tarly the lord paramount of the reach to rule in the starks name
with the tho largest kingdoms in their rule would make them far richer and stronger then even the westerlands
Unrelated, but I'd like to see covered topic of Targaryen marriages. What if they need to unite Westeros not only politically but also by blood? Obviously in Mad King and his descendants's blood there's blood of Baratheon, Arryn and Martell. Aegon V married with family from Riverlands if that counts. Jacerys failed to connect Fire with Ice (Stark), but it's likely Rhaegar succeeded. Tyrrell (or Hightower) and Lannister houses connected with the royal family, but their genes weren't passed on.
I seriously hate Unwin Peake more than any other ASOIAF character. He is the absolute worst!
Are they really as bad as they seem to be, or are they merely unlucky enough to pick the losing side in every conflict, and is everything we know about them written by their victorious enemies?