Waiting for TWOW for Magnar Sigorn to return and save his Lord Stannis from Ramsey Bolton. The bronzed up barbarian decks the creepy sadist and says, "This may be Winterfell, but to me it looks like you're on Thenn ice." Stomps foot, all Boltons and Freys fall into ice water and die. Scene.
i'm glad you kept in the fact that Maidenpool is in fact in Minecraft, people always leave that part out but i think it's one of George's boldest additions to the series
The thenns aren't the only wildlings who speak the old tounge. Ygritte at least understands some of it and Tormund and Leathers are both shown speaking with giants
What many people, including players don't seem to know, is you can play as house thenn in the feast for crows start date in ck2 agot. In it you lead a landless band of men and can join either stannis or the nights watch. When I did so i took over the riverlands and then died fighting the white walkers.
Great channel man👍🏼 I've been here since you had 1k followers. I don't always agree with your statements but that's what makes it fun to watch. Keep it up💪🏽
I don't recall it actually being stated outright that they formed a new house? I know they get married. Could it not have been a matrilineal one, with the Magnar taking her name?
As someone who knows nothing of Thenns besides whats in this video and the one mention they get in the show. How are they okay with being wed under the lord of light instead of the old gods?
Jon: "You're not scared?" Alys: "Let him be scared of me." ................. Melisandre: "Alys, do you swear to share your fire with Sigorn, and warm him when the night is dark and full of terrors?" Alys: "til his blood is boiling." Somehow, I think these two will be alright 😉😊😛
Actually, I think the Girl in Grey is actually Sansa, fleeing from a Marriage ... Tyrion is not Dead yet, but I think she realizes that Littlefinger doesn't plan to let Harry the Heir live for long, probably only long enough that Sansa gets pregnant to have another Heir to the Vale he than can control, better than Robin because it is literally a Baby. So Sansa decides to leave the Vale and go North to Jon. She most likely will travel to the three sisters and from there to White Harbour or she meets Davos who seeks a Crew to sail to Skaggos to find Rikkon. So there is an amount of possibilities for how Sansa can end up in the North at the Wall after Jon's "resurrection". The Quotes are for the fact that we have a lot of similarities between Jon's assassination and the Red Wedding, but GRRM says he hates repetition. And I ... then why did he copy Robb's and Catelyn's Death and Aryas knock out by the Hound in nearly every Wound Jon gets? Not in the Show, in the Books. First Jon is stabbed by some Members of the Nights watch and has multiple Wounds like Robb was shot by multiple bolts from the Crossbows, than he takes a cut into the Throat like Catelyn and then he becomes unconscious after someone stabs him in the Back which is the last injury of a Stark we know about, Arya being knocked unconscious by the Hound, I don't remember if the Hound was behind Arya but he was out of sight, so it counts, someone who is out of sight is in your back. So if GRRM really hates repetition it is strange that Jon who is betrayed by his own Men, like Robb, is killed with a Copy of all three Starks who were at the Red Wedding. There is a Theory on the Internet that Jon is not Dead yet, just on the Brink of Death, like Khal Drogo at the end of AGOT or Bran after his Fall. Mirri Maaz Duur used Blood Magic which she learned in Asshai, the Place Melissandre comes from, Mirri Maaz Duur killed a Horse to save Drogo and told Daenerys that no one was allowed to enter the Tent after she started singing (we all know Daenerys was brought into the Tent by Ser Jorah). So Melissandre uses the same Ritual as Mirri Maaz Duur and this time the Sorceress has a Room with a Door that can be locked, furthermore outside her Room there is Chaos, so if Jon is in Ghost and safes his Body from the Chaos, probably no one would notice that something like a supposedly dead body is missing. Furthermore this time we could see the ritual and hear the Song that Mirri Maaz Duur sang through someone who understands that Language, so we would know what Mirri Maaz Duur did during her time alone in the Tent with Drogo. In terms which Animal Melissandre will kill, it won't be a Ghost, her flames showed her that Jon became a Wolf and then a Man again, she probably knows that Jon is in Ghost, so my bet is on Mormonts Raven. It also would fit with the Theme around Melissandre a Priest who uses Glamour and illusions to persuade people to follow her God. Jon doesn't need to be actually dead to be useful to Melissandres Cause to accomplish just that. All she needs is a supposedly dead Body she brought back from the Dead to show the Power of her Lord of Light. All she needs are enough People who saw Jon fall to the Ground shortly before the Chaos started.
I also think it is slightly unlikely that Alys is the grey girl. Someone else posted the same thing, that we never actually see Alys wearing grey, but rather Jon and Mel assume that's who the vision was about. And since Karstark colors are black and white, and not grey (though black + white makes grey), I am still not convinced. Sansa being the one is a good guess, as she is hiding her Stark heritage right now (the Stark colors being grey and white) and I can imagine that by the time she makes it to the Wall, she will be revealed as a Stark again, possibly in a grey marriage gown, thus being a grey girl.
@@j-rey- I think it will never come to a Marriage between these two or even a reveal. I think she will run away before that. We should not forget, that Sansa Stark is a wanted Woman for Kingsslaying and Cersei really wants to kill Sansa because she thinks Sansa did help to murder Joffrey. She did although I think that was only a distraction so that Tyrion would be blamed for the Murder. I mean Littlefinger did that Assassination and he knew that Joffreys cruelty would ensure that everybody would look to the Tyrells at first because they wanted to protect Margery. With the Murder weapon being in Sansa's Hairnet that would switch the suspicion to Tyrion and the Stark Hostage. Littlefinger couldn't have known that Cersei would immediately accuse Tyrion of the Murder.
Actually house Frey in the serie didn't go extinct because Arya just killed the men and was merciful to the women. There must have been a legitimate Walder Frey's daughter or grandaughter who took his place as the new head of house Frey.
Always a shame to see the Old Gods lose sway among the people of Westeros. Sure-they may be bloodthirsty and pretty evil but their trees are so cool; how can you fault them?
Us Harrion Karstark loyalists will wait with optimism for him to reclaim the Karhold. We think House Thenn should be given the Dreadfort in place of the Boltons
So I think the Thenns are sort of a view into how the First Men lives during the age of heroes. They live the farthest North of any people we've seen so far, which sort of indicates that they're the last remnant of how things were before the Andals. In particular, I think the fact that they see their magnar as a god is a nod to the old greenseer kings, whose legacy Bran will reignite.
The First Men split between the Wildlings beyond the Wall and the people subjected to the Starks between the Twins and the Wall. I will never understand why the subjects of the Staks, UNCONQUERED by the Andals, adopted the Andalic language.
@@pawezielinski2781 There are many ways a culture can be changed beyond conquest. Marriages, commerce, peacuful miggration etc. The Andal culture has a some characteristics like the use of steel, an organized religion with appointed priests and a alphabet. Those aspects would naturally flow trough the Neck and be adoppted by the North as it they fit better in more organized kingdoms with central leadership and strict rules of inheritance.
@@pawezielinski2781language does expand by influence, odds are the northerners had a lot more cultural and economical contact with the Andal conquered regions than with the wildings, slowly taking aspects of the southies, including language, tho I agree that they should speak more of a kin language than the same language, something like what English is to french, not of the same linguistic line but they still overlap
@@unavela that would be a given, the Andals brought with them a lot of valuable knowledge and after having conquered all of Westeros but the North controlled a massive quantity of resources the North would have needed for trade. Nothing but the Neck separates the North from the Andals in the south, but the Wildlings? They have little knowledge the Northmen don't already know, they have little resources but fur and lumber and there's a massive wall between them. Not to mention centuries of generational hatred between the two.
The sigil also has the same colour scheme to weirwood trees (+ the bronze). Might be unintentional but it also might signify their connection to the old gods.
Adding to the point about House Thenn's loyalties, they're not among the group of free folk who pledge Jon their swords. Given that Alys says she thinks Karhold will open the gates for her, I think that's where she'll be. But if the castle will yield to her without a siege, then she doesn't necessarily need all the Thenn's with her, just a decent sized escort. It's possible Sigorn might lead the remaining men to Stannis, seeing as how he is his overlord now. If that's the case, leaving directly from Castle Black to Winterfell would position him behind Stannis, thereby protecting his rear. But if he traveled to Karhold with Alys even partially, we're looking at a March from the east that could attack, whatever forces the Boltons send from Winterfell's eastern gate. I just love speculating over the Winds of Winter.
I know right?, it's like they think Karstarks are not important when they are pretty much the true kings in the north by right at the end of the last book... since is pretty unprobable that any Stark alive is gonna claim his/her rights.
Fun fact- Though Alys Karstark is the commonly accepted candidate for the 'grey girl on a dying horse', she's never depicted on page wearing grey. We first see her sleeping in a black blanket given her by the Watch, and Jon doesn't note the color of the damp clothes on the ground next to her. Because of this discrepancy, I've wondered if the 'grey girl' is actually someone else who's yet to arrive and Alys was just a red herring (a la Quentyn Martell in Meereen). Could it be either of the Jeynes, both of whom are "sisters" of sorts to Jon and have reason to seek his protection? Could the 'grey girl' be Asha Greyjoy? It might be unlikely that the Grey Girl isn't Alys; but given that Alys wasn't depicted in grey and isn't Jon's sister...it's still fun to speculate about. Great video!!
@@t_hetty1758I think that's a stretch. I'd think Melisandre could recognize the difference between the skin of a greyscale afflicted person and someone dressed in grey clothing.. she has been around Shireen for the past few years so it's not like she's unaware of what that looks like.
@@Human-zx4rb So you're saying Melisandre, who's been around Shireen for a minimum of several years now, wouldn't recognize a person whose body was covered with the same skin Shireen has on her face? Mel might err occasionally but she's not that stupid. In fact, when Mel searches the flames to see the grey girl again, she gets a vision of Bloodraven's face- which she describes as wooden and corpse white. So she can make a distinction between texture and color in her visions. Therefore there's no reason to assume Mel couldn't identify a greyscale covered person if she saw one, and there's no reason to think she can't tell the difference between textured skin and clothing. If anything, the misinterpretation was more likely that the girl was Jon's sister or that the girl was fleeing a marriage- not that the person was covered in greyscale rather than grey clothing. Imo. But to each their own my friend :) .
I imagine that if they don't get Karhold they will be given one of the castles in The Gift and be one of the most prominent groups re-settling it post-Long Night.
All of Westeros was built in Minecraft, it's called Westeroscraft. I think their Design of many castles like Dragonstone for example is genius and much better than in the show, Summerhall and Castamere are also great, and many many other castles aswell. They try to keep as exactly to the book descriptions as possible. They also have a TH-cam channel, called Westeroscraft, with tours and timelapses of their builds.
I'm going to check that out ASAP. What does Casterly Rock look like? That and Highgarden are the ones I want to see most, along with Summerhall and Storm's End.
Is Bronn's house name called Blackwater? I know it was Bronn of the Blackwater (perhaps like Brienne of Tarth, even though that is also confusing), but I couldn't find any confirmation other than from the wiki for the role playing game.
I wonder who'll get the Bolton's lands at the end. I'm hoping for Theon to start a new house and "start sowing" to counter the Greyjoy words. As for children, he likely has a few bastards, but more importantly there's the shipman's daughter who he most likely got pregnant and with whom i think he'll reunite. Would also be a nice twist of fate that a man tortured by the Boltons ends up having their home and making sure no one will be tortured in such ways in that fort again
Wdym "You dont think he'll end up on the iron throne". I find your lack of faith disturbing Ser. You have preached defeat ever since the blackwater. If a sacrifice is needed to please the lord,I think we know who should be offered.
Wait...why are the Thenns the only ones who can communicate with giants? Leathers and Tormund could I think, they just speak the Old Tongue which isn't limited to just the Thenns I think.
Yeah, the non native speakers we have met are Leathers and Tormund, though Mance can sing in the Old Tongue. Then again, I can sing in spanish, doesn't mean I know what tf I am saying.
@@j-rey- I'm sure it's probably a regional thing, but maybe like at least one person in a village or smaller geographical area can functionally speak it. I mean i think some maesters know bits or can speak it, tho it would be less common. That's my interpretation at least!
It might be cool to discuss how noble houses can be formed by bastards, e.g. house Longwaters. I have read about it before, but I always forget (Rennifer Longwaters is the loquacious type). The differences between trueborn, baseborn, and bastard born always confuse me as well. Having one of my fav TH-camrs cover it in a video is better than having to google search each time.
Trueborn refers to legitimate children and potentially legitimized bastards, bastards are all illegitimate children, and baseborn children are those born to a common parent but not necessarily a bastard though it is often used to refer to bastards with a non-noble parent
@@noahgarneau4438 Thanks dude. It's always hard to keep it straight after going months without reading it, then trying to remember. That's why I think I would find a video about it useful. If it is in connection with how bastards can form noble houses, my brain would retain the information better since I am connecting it with a more comprehensive analysis of bastards in general, rather than just rote memorization. Also, I am a visual learner.
House Baratheon will probably go extinct,unless Edric Storm isn't legitimated by a king. House Bolton will surely go extinct House Greyjoy could go extinct considering that Euron and Victarion will probably die,then we are actually not sure if Theon can produce heirs and then there would be Asha,who could keep the name Greyjoy but it's tricky. House Martell is risking because they have already lost Quentyn,only Arianne and Trystane are left,but things don't look good,at least for her. The main branch of House Arryn will go extinct too, it's very unlikely that Robert Arryn will survive the Winter
House Frey too will be wiped out,Stoneheart is hanging every Frey she can put her hands on,and another wedding is going to take place in Riverrun... They are cursed for violating the laws of Gods and men
@niccologregorutti9309 I think edric storm probably will be legitimised. I don't see any other reason to send him to lys. He might even be legitimised by aegon or dany and made the new lord of the stormlands. House greyjoy won't go extinct. There's also two cousins whom have like one page mentioning them in affc and I doubt they'll be mentioned again. House martell also has the sand snakes and I don't doubt that aegon would legitimise them if they got in serious trouble. There's also manfrey martel, again a cousin. Robin arryn is a red herring. Everyone says he will die so he likely won't
Okay this was the coolest video. Straightforward story telling on Quinn's part, such optimistic material for the bleak future of Westeros. Overall really well told story of the new house 😁
Eh? I know House Baratheon is technically a new house, but it seems like a continuation of House Durrandon to me. it seems like it's seen that way in the books too, because both Corlys and Olenna call them an ancient house.
Unrelated note, I loved the vid, but I watched the targaryen rankings, agree with alot of those. Also, what if Jon Snow's real name was Aemon Targaryen. That would be an awesome coincidence, since I think there was a line in one of the books that said "he didn't feel like an Aemon Targaryen".
Based purely on how inhospitable most places are north of the Wall, I have been dying to know how tf they can survive up there, especially having the Others living next door and stopping by all the time to borrow a cup of sugar.
Damn, the North has it really rough, in terms of houses going extinct (EX)/functionally exctinct (FE)/probably going excinct (PE) in the books. House Bolton (PB) House Cerwyn (FE) House Cassel (FE) House Flint of Widow's Watch (EX) House Hornwood (FE) House Locke (FE) since we haven't gotten any confirmed lineage for the Lockes yet.
On the Old tongue vs common. Is it ever directly stated that common is andalosi? Maybe its me trying to cope my way out of the huge glaring issue that is language in ASOIAF in westeros, but the only way realistically that I can see common being spoken both by wildings beyond the wall and by the dornish in sunspear is if its a first man language.
Does this mean you'll cover other newer houses as well? Cadet branches like House Tyrell of Brightwater Keep or completely new houses like House Slynt (however short it'll be)?
The First Men split between the Wildlings beyond the Wall and the people subjected to the Starks between the Twins and the Wall. I will never understand why the subjects of the Staks, UNCONQUERED by the Andals, adopted the Andalic language.
This has actually happening quite some times in history where a language ends up having such an influence it ends up displacing or dominating the native language even without conquest for example the Assyrians originally spoke Akkadian but with time changed to Aramaic the Scots also originally spoke gaelic/goidelic but with time got displaced by Scots (depending on who you ask is just scottish english or a different language all together)
I just like to think GRRM got lazy somehow. It's a huge ass continent, I'm surprised each region didn't developed their own language. And even if it is really all settled by a single group, considering the long timeframes, it would have at least split apart, like how the Romance languages developed from Latin.
I think you misrepresent the reason for the Karstarks leaving the war, which lets them off the hook significantly. They do have a leader; with Harrion in captivity, they take orders directly from Arnolf back in Karhold. They also still have local battle commanders, presumably, who can be placed under the command of another lord if needed. They don't just get to go "we don't have a boss any more, guess we'll just head home"; they'd have to send to Karhold for orders on whether to follow Robb or desert him, and presumably they got their orders because they did (b). Deserting your king in wartime is a serious crime, however mad you might be at him. It's interesting to speculate what would happen to a lord's bannermen if he and his house WERE completely extinguished in battle, though. I'd guess in normal circumstances they'd continue to follow his king until his title was bestowed on someone else, but in this case it's slightly complicated (at least psychologically) by the king being the one to execute him. Probably if a king was knowingly executing the last surviving member of a noble house he would give their lands to a loyal ally in the same breath, both to avoid inheritance disputes and to put down any rebellions the execution might spark among the executee's own loyalists.
Alys and Sigorn are the foils of Bronn and Lollys. Both Bronn & Sigorn married noble ladies to overhaul noble houses but Alys and Bronn are the clever halves of their couple.
Reading and hearing more and more about the lore and world building of ASOIAF has made me hate the tv series more and more such waisted potential the writers where bafoons of the highest degree this series deserves a reboot in the form of an animated series
Waiting for TWOW for Magnar Sigorn to return and save his Lord Stannis from Ramsey Bolton. The bronzed up barbarian decks the creepy sadist and says, "This may be Winterfell, but to me it looks like you're on Thenn ice." Stomps foot, all Boltons and Freys fall into ice water and die. Scene.
You need to write a letter to GRRM.
@@j-rey- A pink letter, mayhaps?
That's fine amazing. Thank you. Thank you for this pun, I will carry it with me until the winds of winter pick up.
bro is cooking
It's Magnarin' Time
i'm glad you kept in the fact that Maidenpool is in fact in Minecraft, people always leave that part out but i think it's one of George's boldest additions to the series
What?
@@MadMatTom77695:56 image of maiden pool. Idk if it’s accurate
Your comment makes zero sense. I'm sure GRRM didn't make that castle in Minecraft. Everything you can think of has been made in Minecraft. So what
@@jeambeam3173have you ever laughed before? ❤
@@jeambeam3173Look up, maybe you can see the joke
The thenns aren't the only wildlings who speak the old tounge. Ygritte at least understands some of it and Tormund and Leathers are both shown speaking with giants
They’re the only wildlings that EXCLUSIVELY speak the old tongue
What many people, including players don't seem to know, is you can play as house thenn in the feast for crows start date in ck2 agot. In it you lead a landless band of men and can join either stannis or the nights watch. When I did so i took over the riverlands and then died fighting the white walkers.
What's all this Thenn
FUCK SOMEONE ALREADY SAID IT
The Late Lord Haven
That intro sounded refreshingly crisp
Great channel man👍🏼 I've been here since you had 1k followers. I don't always agree with your statements but that's what makes it fun to watch. Keep it up💪🏽
I'd love to see one of these on House Grandison!
I don't recall it actually being stated outright that they formed a new house? I know they get married. Could it not have been a matrilineal one, with the Magnar taking her name?
As someone who knows nothing of Thenns besides whats in this video and the one mention they get in the show. How are they okay with being wed under the lord of light instead of the old gods?
One of the conditions of swearing to Stannis was that they had to convert
I love their sigil.
🤔when is the next time you try to escape a deathtrap Dungeon @quinn
Lannisters are one of the largest houses in ASOIAF, but I assume they have the same numbers the did in the book.
yes
😮😮😮😮😮😢 bring back the old houses
Jon: "You're not scared?"
Alys: "Let him be scared of me."
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Melisandre: "Alys, do you swear to share your fire with Sigorn, and warm him when the night is dark and full of terrors?"
Alys: "til his blood is boiling."
Somehow, I think these two will be alright 😉😊😛
Eso es lo que yo llamo compromiso con el papel😂
damn bro ive avoided the winds sample chapters for years hoping to read it all fresh, so thanks for no warning.... *sad noises*
I prefer the Sopranos pronunciation of House Hoare.
House Hoowah
There's a Poole...
I though that the magnar was gonna take the name Karstark tbh.
Best ship
Devan Lannister supremacy
Devan lannister best minor lannister
Actually, I think the Girl in Grey is actually Sansa, fleeing from a Marriage ... Tyrion is not Dead yet, but I think she realizes that Littlefinger doesn't plan to let Harry the Heir live for long, probably only long enough that Sansa gets pregnant to have another Heir to the Vale he than can control, better than Robin because it is literally a Baby. So Sansa decides to leave the Vale and go North to Jon. She most likely will travel to the three sisters and from there to White Harbour or she meets Davos who seeks a Crew to sail to Skaggos to find Rikkon. So there is an amount of possibilities for how Sansa can end up in the North at the Wall after Jon's "resurrection".
The Quotes are for the fact that we have a lot of similarities between Jon's assassination and the Red Wedding, but GRRM says he hates repetition. And I ... then why did he copy Robb's and Catelyn's Death and Aryas knock out by the Hound in nearly every Wound Jon gets? Not in the Show, in the Books. First Jon is stabbed by some Members of the Nights watch and has multiple Wounds like Robb was shot by multiple bolts from the Crossbows, than he takes a cut into the Throat like Catelyn and then he becomes unconscious after someone stabs him in the Back which is the last injury of a Stark we know about, Arya being knocked unconscious by the Hound, I don't remember if the Hound was behind Arya but he was out of sight, so it counts, someone who is out of sight is in your back.
So if GRRM really hates repetition it is strange that Jon who is betrayed by his own Men, like Robb, is killed with a Copy of all three Starks who were at the Red Wedding.
There is a Theory on the Internet that Jon is not Dead yet, just on the Brink of Death, like Khal Drogo at the end of AGOT or Bran after his Fall. Mirri Maaz Duur used Blood Magic which she learned in Asshai, the Place Melissandre comes from, Mirri Maaz Duur killed a Horse to save Drogo and told Daenerys that no one was allowed to enter the Tent after she started singing (we all know Daenerys was brought into the Tent by Ser Jorah). So Melissandre uses the same Ritual as Mirri Maaz Duur and this time the Sorceress has a Room with a Door that can be locked, furthermore outside her Room there is Chaos, so if Jon is in Ghost and safes his Body from the Chaos, probably no one would notice that something like a supposedly dead body is missing. Furthermore this time we could see the ritual and hear the Song that Mirri Maaz Duur sang through someone who understands that Language, so we would know what Mirri Maaz Duur did during her time alone in the Tent with Drogo. In terms which Animal Melissandre will kill, it won't be a Ghost, her flames showed her that Jon became a Wolf and then a Man again, she probably knows that Jon is in Ghost, so my bet is on Mormonts Raven.
It also would fit with the Theme around Melissandre a Priest who uses Glamour and illusions to persuade people to follow her God. Jon doesn't need to be actually dead to be useful to Melissandres Cause to accomplish just that. All she needs is a supposedly dead Body she brought back from the Dead to show the Power of her Lord of Light. All she needs are enough People who saw Jon fall to the Ground shortly before the Chaos started.
I also think it is slightly unlikely that Alys is the grey girl. Someone else posted the same thing, that we never actually see Alys wearing grey, but rather Jon and Mel assume that's who the vision was about. And since Karstark colors are black and white, and not grey (though black + white makes grey), I am still not convinced. Sansa being the one is a good guess, as she is hiding her Stark heritage right now (the Stark colors being grey and white) and I can imagine that by the time she makes it to the Wall, she will be revealed as a Stark again, possibly in a grey marriage gown, thus being a grey girl.
@@j-rey- I think it will never come to a Marriage between these two or even a reveal. I think she will run away before that. We should not forget, that Sansa Stark is a wanted Woman for Kingsslaying and Cersei really wants to kill Sansa because she thinks Sansa did help to murder Joffrey.
She did although I think that was only a distraction so that Tyrion would be blamed for the Murder. I mean Littlefinger did that Assassination and he knew that Joffreys cruelty would ensure that everybody would look to the Tyrells at first because they wanted to protect Margery. With the Murder weapon being in Sansa's Hairnet that would switch the suspicion to Tyrion and the Stark Hostage. Littlefinger couldn't have known that Cersei would immediately accuse Tyrion of the Murder.
Actually house Frey in the serie didn't go extinct because Arya just killed the men and was merciful to the women. There must have been a legitimate Walder Frey's daughter or grandaughter who took his place as the new head of house Frey.
Also, it's kinda absurd to think NONE of those male Freys were parents anyway.
Always a shame to see the Old Gods lose sway among the people of Westeros. Sure-they may be bloodthirsty and pretty evil but their trees are so cool; how can you fault them?
i thought the glovers were alive
They are.
Quinn - “I don’t think Stannis will end up on the throne.”
Stannis - “A lie, take it out.”
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Us Harrion Karstark loyalists will wait with optimism for him to reclaim the Karhold. We think House Thenn should be given the Dreadfort in place of the Boltons
I mean with the deaths of Ramsay and Roose (pretty much guaranteed to happen next book) why not? House Bolton will be extinct.
Honestly, it would be a shame to have the cool name & sigil of House Karstark lost to history...
@@E_T_31 true
@@E_T_31it would mirror the demise of the Grey Starks.
@@E_T_31 True
So I think the Thenns are sort of a view into how the First Men lives during the age of heroes. They live the farthest North of any people we've seen so far, which sort of indicates that they're the last remnant of how things were before the Andals. In particular, I think the fact that they see their magnar as a god is a nod to the old greenseer kings, whose legacy Bran will reignite.
I had never put together that god-king/greenseer connection before. Great observation.
The First Men split between the Wildlings beyond the Wall and the people subjected to the Starks between the Twins and the Wall. I will never understand why the subjects of the Staks, UNCONQUERED by the Andals, adopted the Andalic language.
@@pawezielinski2781 There are many ways a culture can be changed beyond conquest. Marriages, commerce, peacuful miggration etc. The Andal culture has a some characteristics like the use of steel, an organized religion with appointed priests and a alphabet. Those aspects would naturally flow trough the Neck and be adoppted by the North as it they fit better in more organized kingdoms with central leadership and strict rules of inheritance.
@@pawezielinski2781language does expand by influence, odds are the northerners had a lot more cultural and economical contact with the Andal conquered regions than with the wildings, slowly taking aspects of the southies, including language, tho I agree that they should speak more of a kin language than the same language, something like what English is to french, not of the same linguistic line but they still overlap
@@unavela that would be a given, the Andals brought with them a lot of valuable knowledge and after having conquered all of Westeros but the North controlled a massive quantity of resources the North would have needed for trade. Nothing but the Neck separates the North from the Andals in the south, but the Wildlings? They have little knowledge the Northmen don't already know, they have little resources but fur and lumber and there's a massive wall between them.
Not to mention centuries of generational hatred between the two.
The sigil also has the same colour scheme to weirwood trees (+ the bronze). Might be unintentional but it also might signify their connection to the old gods.
British copper walks in: "well, what's all this, Thenn?"
Shit I wish I’d thought of that
@@QuinnTheGM immediate reupload 👀
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"Officer, it's pure copper. And it's antique too, from the warehouse of the famous EA-NASIR. Of course its pure..."
Adding to the point about House Thenn's loyalties, they're not among the group of free folk who pledge Jon their swords. Given that Alys says she thinks Karhold will open the gates for her, I think that's where she'll be. But if the castle will yield to her without a siege, then she doesn't necessarily need all the Thenn's with her, just a decent sized escort. It's possible Sigorn might lead the remaining men to Stannis, seeing as how he is his overlord now. If that's the case, leaving directly from Castle Black to Winterfell would position him behind Stannis, thereby protecting his rear. But if he traveled to Karhold with Alys even partially, we're looking at a March from the east that could attack, whatever forces the Boltons send from Winterfell's eastern gate.
I just love speculating over the Winds of Winter.
Super interesting, and I have seen so few ASOIAF youtubers actually discuss about this house. Thanks Quinn
I know right?, it's like they think Karstarks are not important when they are pretty much the true kings in the north by right at the end of the last book... since is pretty unprobable that any Stark alive is gonna claim his/her rights.
Fun fact- Though Alys Karstark is the commonly accepted candidate for the 'grey girl on a dying horse', she's never depicted on page wearing grey. We first see her sleeping in a black blanket given her by the Watch, and Jon doesn't note the color of the damp clothes on the ground next to her. Because of this discrepancy, I've wondered if the 'grey girl' is actually someone else who's yet to arrive and Alys was just a red herring (a la Quentyn Martell in Meereen). Could it be either of the Jeynes, both of whom are "sisters" of sorts to Jon and have reason to seek his protection? Could the 'grey girl' be Asha Greyjoy? It might be unlikely that the Grey Girl isn't Alys; but given that Alys wasn't depicted in grey and isn't Jon's sister...it's still fun to speculate about. Great video!!
I mean what if she ends up getting greyscale and that’s what it’s gonna mean? Kinda ending up being like a Baldwin IV type deal.
@@t_hetty1758I think that's a stretch. I'd think Melisandre could recognize the difference between the skin of a greyscale afflicted person and someone dressed in grey clothing.. she has been around Shireen for the past few years so it's not like she's unaware of what that looks like.
@@ashleyofnaath Melisandre sucks at visions and visions are not always clear.
@@Human-zx4rb So you're saying Melisandre, who's been around Shireen for a minimum of several years now, wouldn't recognize a person whose body was covered with the same skin Shireen has on her face? Mel might err occasionally but she's not that stupid. In fact, when Mel searches the flames to see the grey girl again, she gets a vision of Bloodraven's face- which she describes as wooden and corpse white. So she can make a distinction between texture and color in her visions. Therefore there's no reason to assume Mel couldn't identify a greyscale covered person if she saw one, and there's no reason to think she can't tell the difference between textured skin and clothing. If anything, the misinterpretation was more likely that the girl was Jon's sister or that the girl was fleeing a marriage- not that the person was covered in greyscale rather than grey clothing. Imo. But to each their own my friend :) .
Grey could be referring to her relation to Stark Blood & Banners.
I imagine that if they don't get Karhold they will be given one of the castles in The Gift and be one of the most prominent groups re-settling it post-Long Night.
All of Westeros was built in Minecraft, it's called Westeroscraft.
I think their Design of many castles like Dragonstone for example is genius and much better than in the show, Summerhall and Castamere are also great, and many many other castles aswell. They try to keep as exactly to the book descriptions as possible.
They also have a TH-cam channel, called Westeroscraft, with tours and timelapses of their builds.
I'm going to check that out ASAP. What does Casterly Rock look like? That and Highgarden are the ones I want to see most, along with Summerhall and Storm's End.
Where does one find this Westeroscraft?
Like do they have a server or world download?
@@opie_yt online. Just look them up, and you'll find em
@@opie_ytthey have a server with a specific modpack, just search for their page, they have decent instructions
0:10 House Glover and house Payne aren’t extinct yet
For me, house Thenn Will be the first of a houses that will be connected with the wildlings, making them part of the north.
House Thenn will hold Karhold, and hopefully House Blackwater will hold Stokesworth by the end of the series.
Is Bronn's house name called Blackwater? I know it was Bronn of the Blackwater (perhaps like Brienne of Tarth, even though that is also confusing), but I couldn't find any confirmation other than from the wiki for the role playing game.
House blackwater? I mean, bronn is a knight and could create his own house, why not, but I always thought he would take the name of his noble wife
@@karimabidi8312Yeah, didn't he declare himself Lord Stokeworth by the end of AFFC?
@@kerem_1404yeah he did
@@j-rey- William the Conqueror was also called William de Normandie, and he was of House Normandy.
The biggest instance of how superior Book Jon is over Show Jon
You know nothing Jon Show
“Melisandre got her degree online”😂 Kept getting distracted by having to burn children and such, must have taken her a while
damn walder frey has never been this early to a video.
Off topic: While does Dorne has rounded symbols instead of shields? I think they even used them before Nymeria's arrival
Dorne in the books likes to use round metal shields instead of the wooden heater shields popular in the rest of westeros
I wonder who'll get the Bolton's lands at the end. I'm hoping for Theon to start a new house and "start sowing" to counter the Greyjoy words. As for children, he likely has a few bastards, but more importantly there's the shipman's daughter who he most likely got pregnant and with whom i think he'll reunite.
Would also be a nice twist of fate that a man tortured by the Boltons ends up having their home and making sure no one will be tortured in such ways in that fort again
Wdym "You dont think he'll end up on the iron throne".
I find your lack of faith disturbing Ser.
You have preached defeat ever since the blackwater.
If a sacrifice is needed to please the lord,I think we know who should be offered.
Wait...why are the Thenns the only ones who can communicate with giants? Leathers and Tormund could I think, they just speak the Old Tongue which isn't limited to just the Thenns I think.
Yeah, the non native speakers we have met are Leathers and Tormund, though Mance can sing in the Old Tongue. Then again, I can sing in spanish, doesn't mean I know what tf I am saying.
@@j-rey- I'm sure it's probably a regional thing, but maybe like at least one person in a village or smaller geographical area can functionally speak it. I mean i think some maesters know bits or can speak it, tho it would be less common. That's my interpretation at least!
Best house name pun ever
The wedding seems surprisingly wholesome
It might be cool to discuss how noble houses can be formed by bastards, e.g. house Longwaters. I have read about it before, but I always forget (Rennifer Longwaters is the loquacious type). The differences between trueborn, baseborn, and bastard born always confuse me as well. Having one of my fav TH-camrs cover it in a video is better than having to google search each time.
Trueborn refers to legitimate children and potentially legitimized bastards, bastards are all illegitimate children, and baseborn children are those born to a common parent but not necessarily a bastard though it is often used to refer to bastards with a non-noble parent
@@noahgarneau4438 Thanks dude. It's always hard to keep it straight after going months without reading it, then trying to remember. That's why I think I would find a video about it useful. If it is in connection with how bastards can form noble houses, my brain would retain the information better since I am connecting it with a more comprehensive analysis of bastards in general, rather than just rote memorization. Also, I am a visual learner.
I actually wonder what great houses and other noble houses will go entirely extinct during the chaotic and tumultuous events in the Winds of Winter?
House Baratheon will probably go extinct,unless Edric Storm isn't legitimated by a king.
House Bolton will surely go extinct
House Greyjoy could go extinct considering that Euron and Victarion will probably die,then we are actually not sure if Theon can produce heirs and then there would be Asha,who could keep the name Greyjoy but it's tricky.
House Martell is risking because they have already lost Quentyn,only Arianne and Trystane are left,but things don't look good,at least for her.
The main branch of House Arryn will go extinct too, it's very unlikely that Robert Arryn will survive the Winter
House Frey too will be wiped out,Stoneheart is hanging every Frey she can put her hands on,and another wedding is going to take place in Riverrun... They are cursed for violating the laws of Gods and men
@@niccologregorutti What are you talking about? Quentyn is alive 😉😉😉😉😉 /s /s /s /s
@@j-rey- yeah right,my bad 🫢
@niccologregorutti9309 I think edric storm probably will be legitimised. I don't see any other reason to send him to lys. He might even be legitimised by aegon or dany and made the new lord of the stormlands.
House greyjoy won't go extinct. There's also two cousins whom have like one page mentioning them in affc and I doubt they'll be mentioned again.
House martell also has the sand snakes and I don't doubt that aegon would legitimise them if they got in serious trouble. There's also manfrey martel, again a cousin.
Robin arryn is a red herring. Everyone says he will die so he likely won't
Okay this was the coolest video. Straightforward story telling on Quinn's part, such optimistic material for the bleak future of Westeros. Overall really well told story of the new house 😁
the Thenn sigil also resembles the bright sun shining upon the vastness beyond the wall
Would love for a video or series of your favorite characters from each house and why!
I Really hope shit works out well for these 2
Eh? I know House Baratheon is technically a new house, but it seems like a continuation of House Durrandon to me. it seems like it's seen that way in the books too, because both Corlys and Olenna call them an ancient house.
Unrelated note, I loved the vid, but I watched the targaryen rankings, agree with alot of those. Also, what if Jon Snow's real name was Aemon Targaryen. That would be an awesome coincidence, since I think there was a line in one of the books that said "he didn't feel like an Aemon Targaryen".
Yes!!! I am obsessed with the Thenns. I hope we get to see the valley of the thenns if we get winds.
Based purely on how inhospitable most places are north of the Wall, I have been dying to know how tf they can survive up there, especially having the Others living next door and stopping by all the time to borrow a cup of sugar.
What’s all this, Thenn?
It always excites me to see notifications for your videos, keep it up!
Prais the sun \[T]/
Damn, the North has it really rough, in terms of houses going extinct (EX)/functionally exctinct (FE)/probably going excinct (PE) in the books.
House Bolton (PB)
House Cerwyn (FE)
House Cassel (FE)
House Flint of Widow's Watch (EX)
House Hornwood (FE)
House Locke (FE) since we haven't gotten any confirmed lineage for the Lockes yet.
Thank you for this video, topics like these really capture the magic of ASOIAF! :)
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Do house Crabb, somewhere in the future!
On the Old tongue vs common. Is it ever directly stated that common is andalosi? Maybe its me trying to cope my way out of the huge glaring issue that is language in ASOIAF in westeros, but the only way realistically that I can see common being spoken both by wildings beyond the wall and by the dornish in sunspear is if its a first man language.
House Thenn, Blood of the Free and (Kar)Stark
I think the thenns are going to get the dreadfort after the Boltons die
I thought it was just the Thenn joinning house Karstark (matriarcal wedding)
Great vid and the new mic sounds crisp!
I cant wait to see House Thenn likely participate in the Book version of the Battle of The Bastards
There's no such thing as the "battle of the bastards". Not in name. And the siege's main leader will be Stannis, not Jon Snow.
Really digging how they came up with their house sigil. It reminds me of how house Baratheon adopted the durrandon sigil.
Stanis and his army will freeze. And become a plague upon the 7 kingdoms when the true cold finally comes..
Does this mean you'll cover other newer houses as well? Cadet branches like House Tyrell of Brightwater Keep or completely new houses like House Slynt (however short it'll be)?
that Maidenpool build tho
Do you think Samwell and Gilly will get married? Will they start a new house or stay with the Tarly name?
Who would marry off a relative to a cannibal. Wow
I get the in-universe reason for the sigil’s design, but I can’t look at it without thinking of the Warriors of Sunlight from Dark Souls.
idea -> "Every Houses, there's history and lore and future prediction"
Algormancy!
Wake up babe, new noble house just dropped
Does the thenns look the same in the TV show
Darrio will settle in the gift
Throughly enjoy this topic. As well as the title. Well done🎉
The First Men split between the Wildlings beyond the Wall and the people subjected to the Starks between the Twins and the Wall. I will never understand why the subjects of the Staks, UNCONQUERED by the Andals, adopted the Andalic language.
This has actually happening quite some times in history where a language ends up having such an influence it ends up displacing or dominating the native language even without conquest for example the Assyrians originally spoke Akkadian but with time changed to Aramaic the Scots also originally spoke gaelic/goidelic but with time got displaced by Scots (depending on who you ask is just scottish english or a different language all together)
And a lot of times they adopt the language for trade or comers
I just like to think GRRM got lazy somehow. It's a huge ass continent, I'm surprised each region didn't developed their own language. And even if it is really all settled by a single group, considering the long timeframes, it would have at least split apart, like how the Romance languages developed from Latin.
The Winds of Winter is never coming out
Durrandon, Gardner and....what?
House Darry gone also
I love ur videos so mutch ❤❤
I think you misrepresent the reason for the Karstarks leaving the war, which lets them off the hook significantly. They do have a leader; with Harrion in captivity, they take orders directly from Arnolf back in Karhold. They also still have local battle commanders, presumably, who can be placed under the command of another lord if needed. They don't just get to go "we don't have a boss any more, guess we'll just head home"; they'd have to send to Karhold for orders on whether to follow Robb or desert him, and presumably they got their orders because they did (b). Deserting your king in wartime is a serious crime, however mad you might be at him.
It's interesting to speculate what would happen to a lord's bannermen if he and his house WERE completely extinguished in battle, though. I'd guess in normal circumstances they'd continue to follow his king until his title was bestowed on someone else, but in this case it's slightly complicated (at least psychologically) by the king being the one to execute him. Probably if a king was knowingly executing the last surviving member of a noble house he would give their lands to a loyal ally in the same breath, both to avoid inheritance disputes and to put down any rebellions the execution might spark among the executee's own loyalists.
Nice work. Love me some Thenns.
Thanks Quinn
Your videos are awesome
You said all the lannisters were wiped out by the end of the show...isn't Tyrion hand of the king? Did he cast of his family name?
Alys and Sigorn are the foils of Bronn and Lollys. Both Bronn & Sigorn married noble ladies to overhaul noble houses but Alys and Bronn are the clever halves of their couple.
Great video!
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Thenns werent the only one that could communicate with giants leather could also and probably most wildings
Reading and hearing more and more about the lore and world building of ASOIAF has made me hate the tv series more and more such waisted potential the writers where bafoons of the highest degree this series deserves a reboot in the form of an animated series
The newest house is House Redbeard, not Thenn. It's the second founded free folk house.