Very useful video. Thanks. After many comparatives I decided to order the 7Artisans Black Mist ($22 on Aliexpress). I chose the 1/4 and 1/8 for my Voigtlander APO Lanthar 35mm f/2. Also for anyone who is interested (found on the web) : " When Tiffen created Pro Mist Filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal length lenses because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on a 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist Filters is 1/2 Promist for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 Pro Mist for 25mm - 35mm lenses, and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this is information is useful. "
I don't know what the origin of this is. But here's the best response that I've seen to it: "The issue here are two somewhat contradictory ideas. One is that longer focal lengths needs less diffusion to match strength. Two is that tighter shots needs more diffusion because our eyes want more clarity (information) for wide shots. Both are correct. What confuses people is that we associate using longer focal lengths with going in tighter, and we think wider shots always use shorter focal lengths. What this all really boils down to is that you have to pick the strength of the diffusion by what feels right to you in terms of the degree of softening. Or you can think of the two rules, being contradictory somewhat, as cancelling each other out and you can just use the same filter most of the time. But I would still adjust the strength now and then to control the level of detail (use less or none for extreme wide shots, use more for extreme close-ups) or to compensate when the situation is already causing softening (low-contrast scenes like in a hazed set for example, or shooting into a hot sky and getting a lot of flare.)"
@@CreativeTechLab appreciate that! 💯 I subed too. From what I've seen, the Black Satin's halation stays the same throughout the range. So what I'm really curious about is how the glimmerglass handles skin tones compared to the black satin. And how the halation on both compare in different situations. I would say the glimmerglass 1/4's halation is the equivalent to the amount of halation that any of the black satins provide.
It's a personal preference for sure. I find it doesn't warm the image as much. But some people actually love the warmth for the Black Pro Mist on darker skin tones.
you should test wide lenses because a 1/8th is not even noticeable on a wide lens. the idea test would be testing each Black Satin on a 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm to show the strength.
I think with the Satin you could go for even stronger strengths since the effect is more subtle. Diffusion filters is also more of a videography thing than a photography thing. You're not my only photographer first friend that doesn't care for them too much.
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Very useful video. Thanks.
After many comparatives I decided to order the 7Artisans Black Mist ($22 on Aliexpress). I chose the 1/4 and 1/8 for my Voigtlander APO Lanthar 35mm f/2.
Also for anyone who is interested (found on the web) :
" When Tiffen created Pro Mist Filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal length lenses because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on a 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist Filters is 1/2 Promist for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 Pro Mist for 25mm - 35mm lenses, and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters.
I hope this is information is useful. "
I don't know what the origin of this is. But here's the best response that I've seen to it:
"The issue here are two somewhat contradictory ideas. One is that longer focal lengths needs less diffusion to match strength. Two is that tighter shots needs more diffusion because our eyes want more clarity (information) for wide shots.
Both are correct. What confuses people is that we associate using longer focal lengths with going in tighter, and we think wider shots always use shorter focal lengths.
What this all really boils down to is that you have to pick the strength of the diffusion by what feels right to you in terms of the degree of softening.
Or you can think of the two rules, being contradictory somewhat, as cancelling each other out and you can just use the same filter most of the time. But I would still adjust the strength now and then to control the level of detail (use less or none for extreme wide shots, use more for extreme close-ups) or to compensate when the situation is already causing softening (low-contrast scenes like in a hazed set for example, or shooting into a hot sky and getting a lot of flare.)"
these focal lengths rules are for FF sensor camera , need to be converted to the equivalent value when using Aps-c sensor Camera , Right ?
@@TheArtfulGamer There are no focal length rules for diffusion
Awesome, would love to see same comparison on Glimmer Glass 1 and the Black Satin 1/4.
When I get my hands on the Glimmer Glass I'll definitely do that
Appreciate the effort put in this video! The examples are very concrete
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice video. I'm really interested in seeing a black satin vs glimmerglass comparison but no one's done a fair one on even strengths
Thanks for watching. I'll try and get my hand on some and shoot that video
@@CreativeTechLab appreciate that! 💯 I subed too. From what I've seen, the Black Satin's halation stays the same throughout the range. So what I'm really curious about is how the glimmerglass handles skin tones compared to the black satin. And how the halation on both compare in different situations. I would say the glimmerglass 1/4's halation is the equivalent to the amount of halation that any of the black satins provide.
Awesome brotha. Black Satin 1/8 I don’t like a lot of changes, but from your video kind of liking the 1/4th. Thank you!
Yeah the effect from the Black Satin's are so subtle that the stronger strengths are more are more usuable.
For some reason the black satin looks so good on darker skin tones. So cinematic
It's a personal preference for sure. I find it doesn't warm the image as much. But some people actually love the warmth for the Black Pro Mist on darker skin tones.
you should test wide lenses because a 1/8th is not even noticeable on a wide lens. the idea test would be testing each Black Satin on a 24mm, 35mm, 50mm, 85mm to show the strength.
Sure. Maybe next time
Awesome video again Leo. Great comparison you did hear. Always wnated to know about these filters.
Thanks for watching as always!
@@CreativeTechLab anytime 🙏😊
I chose Black Satin over ProMist/GlimmerGlass because of contrast loss..
Solid choice
I appreciate this video brother, thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
I wont use any of this in daylight. But black satin 1/4 has something cool for nightshots. On daylight the contrast just go away…
Yeah it all depends on the look you're going for.
Thanks for the great vid. Sorry but I may have missed it in the vid. What mm lens are you using on the self footage?
For the footage of me I'm shooting on the Sigma 24-70 2.8 and it's set to about 35mm
Great info and demonstrations...
Thanks
Great video mate 😀👍
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it!
Very nice, very informative
Glad it was helpful!
appreciate your video but doesn't look a lot different to me & the price of them too ..?
I think with the Satin you could go for even stronger strengths since the effect is more subtle. Diffusion filters is also more of a videography thing than a photography thing. You're not my only photographer first friend that doesn't care for them too much.
Amazing!!!!
Thanks!!
Would anybody recommend stacking these filters or would that be an overkill ?
I've seen people do it. I wouldn't say it's overkill. Just depends on the look you're going for. But you can get some cool effects stacking filters.
The video would be much better if you didn't keep cutting to your face when showing the diagram.... just saying...
thanks for your feedback