For anyone who is interested; when Tiffen created Pro Mist filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal lengths because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on an 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist filters is 1/2 for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 for 25-35mm and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this information is useful.
Great to see the use of a pro-mist for photography and not just for video. Extra points for the beautiful film shots, and putting in the extra effort to make your clips cinematic. Great stuff Kyle!
Been running a 1/4 strength on my film stills recently and have been pretty pleased with the results so far. It gives a lot of shots a very ethereal look that works well in some situations.
A "feature" of digital photography is that everything is sharp and ultra-defined in a paradise for pixel-peepers. Yet there is an appealing and desirable ascetic in the imperfection of film photography and to myself, Pro-Mist filters is a way of putting that back into digital photography.
I never leave comments....but man you deserve it! Love your storytelling. You have what is rare nowadays, the knowledge of how to tell a story visually and with sound. Keep telling stories!
Glad I stumbled upon your channel. Actually educational photography content instead of just a bunch of dudes going out to shoot awful pictures, it's refreshing. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Came into this with a negative image of these, I think they are easy to over do. But the examples you had with it helping smooth out clipped areas looked pretty pleasing!
I've bought one for video and I love it. Only way to make a bright light like a flashlight look good imo. I'd love to see how it works on film, it might make me buy one of the right diameter 🙂
Really interesting Kyle - thank you. I’d been wondering about how to address what I have come to see as increasingly uncomfortable sharpness in modern lenses and this is a good option. But above all the two films are beautiful. Especially the one about Bruce. I grew up through the back half of the Cold War and the fear was real. With the madness in the world today I completely understand his take on life. His final words really hit home; ‘I’ve come to discover that I dare not change one thing.’ Wow. Wish I had Bruce’s clarity and mindfulness. Watched it twice, straight through. Very powerful work.
Huge help, thank you! I just purchased the Fuji 56mm f1.4 and wanted to find a good match for it, instead of using a UV/Protection filter. I like extra protection. Ialso have a Promaster HGX polarizer with a stepdwon ring Ican use on this lense. :) Great video and help!
I just shot a outdoors day event (lowrider picnic) using A BLACK PRO MIST FILTER stacked with a ND filter. These really improve the visuals big time. I shoot with a D3200 Nikon Crop Senor DSLR and 35mm kit lens.
I've ordered the new 7Artisans black mist filter into 1/8 strenght. I am more for the Film look, more analog. Because i love Film photography. Since one of my nowadays very old DSLR renders more film-esque, i hope to enhance that feeling a bit more with an 1/8 black mist filter, without overdoing it.
I’ve been using my Dream FX filter from Prism Lens FX for awhile now. I really like what it does to my photos. It does the exact same thing but at lower costs
I really love the way you filmed and directed the documentary about the man with the fallout shelter. I know this is mostly a photography channel, but is there any possibility of a video explaining your views on the filming of a documentary in the future? I’m sure people would be interested, I really would!
I wish all the reviews on TH-cam were like this, great examples that are full of details and personal observations. Amazing job and thank you for your effort 🙏🏽
Could you do more on how you made the doc, lense choices, gear. audio set up, colour grading. I love the look and am quite inspired as someone new to film making.
I have been using these recently on my gfx 50r as well and I love the look and more film-like feel to the often sterile digital images, especially for backlight scenarios. Thanks for sharing.
I use a Tiffen Black Pro Mist #1 soft focus filter on medium format film cameras for portraits of older people like the gentleman @6:33 in your video. I wish you could have shown a side by side comparison of him with a soft focus filter and without a soft focus filter.
Another great video Kyle! I am not even into film photography. I mainly shoot modern architecture but your videos and photo's of those old Americana buildings are really fascinating. Thank you again.
Great run through the video and stills! I run the 1/8 filter on step down rings to adapt for different lenses. I've noticed my x100v lens reacts to the 1/8 heavier than my Sony 24-105 f4. I wonder if quality of lens coatings affects how well the strength works.
Great video Kyle! Love the example and thoughts you shared on this. I've been leaning towards getting the 1/8 black promist for photography myself. Thanks for the work you do for the community!
You didn’t mention that the BPM also slightly warms highlights. Tiffen has a great “4k Filter Test” video up on TH-cam which shows the effect of every filter type in each value.
Thanks for the extra-candid details of how you shot this footage. I find the 'mystique' element is very often brushed off in 'how to's, with people keeping their cards close to their chest and trying to take credit instead of sharing knowledge of how to elevate your work. That being said, I hope this doesn't lead to a rush of these kind of tools being overused and devalued...
I use a 1/8 on my X100V. Just a light touch of bloom and halation without someone saying “hey what filter is that?” I have the 20% cinebloom as well, but that’s a heavy hitter for ethereal night scenes.
Hi Kyle..i cannot afford the wonderful Fuji 50r but would you recommend starting with my love for Pentax- the K1 mark 2 perhaps befor going medium format. And maybe couple that with 645n ? Thanks for you vids…so inspiring as I am an ex- photogravure printer by profession and used to scan negs/positive on huge Perspex drum scanners
I have a vintage Spiratone Mist Maker filter. I wonder which strength of Pro Mist filter it would be comparable with. I also have one where the center is clear. Back in the day I used them occasionally with a Nikkor 1.4 50mm lens. If I could adapt it to use with a Fujifilm x100s that would be great.
Hi Kyle, great video as always! I have one question/clarification : if you're using your diffusion filter directly on your lens, you're using a matte box to control the exposure when needed (Ex. @ 7:40) right ?
I couldn't justify the price of the tiffen filter so I found that Hoya also makes a black mist filter for about 1/3, I'm looking forward to trying it out, I think it'll work well with my night photography.
That was a quite explanatory video on what these filters do and how to predict the effect they make - sometimes the effect demonstrated is kind of too weak to be noticed even in direct comparisons.
Nice video Kyle, I’ve been using the Tiffen Glimmerglass on my Fuji, which is pretty much the same just has different colour ‘crystals’ on the glass...really nice for backlit situations or night photography for halos over the streetlights
I like the effect of the 1/8 black pro mist on my Fuji cameras. I want to try a stronger one. You mentioned a photographer running a stronger strength. Do you mind sharing? I would like to see the effect. Thanks.
That bell phone booth made me think of Canada and I was like “were there bell phone booths in the U.S. like this?? I thought they were all Bell South.. then boom, I saw a photo that gave away you’re in Canada: highway sign in English and French!
I’ve got an X100T and I’m confused what to get between the 1/4 and 1/8! I want to just put it on my camera and forget about it. Is 1/4 too strong for everyday photography? Is 1/8 so subtle that the looks make it purchasing it not worth it?
Hi Kyle, what is the absorption factor of 1/4 and 1/8 filters when using an external light meter? How much does it need to be added? I can't find this information on the Tiffen web-site. Thank you, Giulio
Hey beautiful work! Do you find you get ugly flares when shooting at night with the 1/4? I'm using vintage Nikons and trying to figure out if it's something to do with the coating on the lenses or not...?
Interesting video, thanks for putting it out. I kept waiting for you to show how a digital solution compared to the filter. I can see reasons for going this route but can you not get close to the same affect in digital post?
I’m not much of an effects guy in post, but this is something that probably can’t be exactly replicated, as it’s altering the way that the light is hitting the lens and sensor.
@@KyleMcDougall Possibly but it looks a good bit like "bloom" + "grain." Doing it in post would allow you to dial it in to the level you wanted on a per photo / clip basis and not permanently alter the original. It would be interesting to compare. Still, there is a lot to be said to choosing what you are looking for at capture time.
@@KyleMcDougall Gotcha. It's such a commitment to baking that glow in. But...that's how we all did it in the old days, just went for it or duped it then applied the effect. Thanks!
Thanks for that video! I'm looking for a filter like that for my fuji x lenses. So I need a filter size of 46mm. Is there anything available? I can't find anything
I would say you're best off getting a 46mm to 77mm step up ring. Then you can buy one filter and multiple step up rings to use it across multiple cameras.
For anyone who is interested; when Tiffen created Pro Mist filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal lengths because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on an 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist filters is 1/2 for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 for 25-35mm and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this information is useful.
So if I use a 50mm lens I should get a 1/8 Pro mist filter?
Have you?
Would you suggest a 1/4 for a 16-35 lens?
What about a 27mm lens on a asp-c sensor?
Thank u
Great to see the use of a pro-mist for photography and not just for video. Extra points for the beautiful film shots, and putting in the extra effort to make your clips cinematic. Great stuff Kyle!
Thank you Philippe!
Been running a 1/4 strength on my film stills recently and have been pretty pleased with the results so far. It gives a lot of shots a very ethereal look that works well in some situations.
Those documentaries were amazing! You're an incredibly talented filmmaker
I appreciate that, Ryan. Thank you. 🙏
Ryan is absolutely correct, keep up the great work!
Agreed
@@KyleMcDougall Hey Ryan how did you achieve the grain in the documentary footage?
+1 to that.
A "feature" of digital photography is that everything is sharp and ultra-defined in a paradise for pixel-peepers. Yet there is an appealing and desirable ascetic in the imperfection of film photography and to myself, Pro-Mist filters is a way of putting that back into digital photography.
@superbmediacontentcreator All apples are fruits, not all fruits are apples.
I never leave comments....but man you deserve it! Love your storytelling. You have what is rare nowadays, the knowledge of how to tell a story visually and with sound. Keep telling stories!
Thanks, Riccardo. Very kind of ya!
Glad I stumbled upon your channel. Actually educational photography content instead of just a bunch of dudes going out to shoot awful pictures, it's refreshing. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Speaking of lighting, really enjoy your desk/room lighting. 🤌 the red/warm contrast
Came into this with a negative image of these, I think they are easy to over do. But the examples you had with it helping smooth out clipped areas looked pretty pleasing!
I've bought one for video and I love it. Only way to make a bright light like a flashlight look good imo.
I'd love to see how it works on film, it might make me buy one of the right diameter 🙂
Use stepup - stepdown rings!
Just picked up a 1/8 Black Pro Mist to use with Fuji glass on my X-T4. Did a boatload of research and looking forward to playing with it!
Really interesting Kyle - thank you. I’d been wondering about how to address what I have come to see as increasingly uncomfortable sharpness in modern lenses and this is a good option.
But above all the two films are beautiful. Especially the one about Bruce. I grew up through the back half of the Cold War and the fear was real. With the madness in the world today I completely understand his take on life. His final words really hit home; ‘I’ve come to discover that I dare not change one thing.’ Wow. Wish I had Bruce’s clarity and mindfulness. Watched it twice, straight through. Very powerful work.
Thanks for checking out the films, Ben. Glad you enjoyed them!
Kyle, I love your storytelling abilities and they show through on all you do. I particularly enjoyed your documentaries. Such a gift!
Thanks, Donald. Much appreciated.
I gotta say Kyle you make by far the best and most enjoyable content around film photography online. Thank out for your insights and honest approach!
I appreciate that, Ben. Thanks for watching.
I keep a 1/4 on my eos r for most my photography and I definitely prefer the soft look it gives
No wonder why your b-roll looks so good in your videos. I would love to see a video about planning, shooting and grading.
Thank you. Something I may do in the future.
1/8 vs 1/4 analysis most appreciated. Thank you 🙏😊
Huge help, thank you! I just purchased the Fuji 56mm f1.4 and wanted to find a good match for it, instead of using a UV/Protection filter. I like extra protection. Ialso have a Promaster HGX polarizer with a stepdwon ring Ican use on this lense. :) Great video and help!
dude didn't even know you did films too, your filmmaking aesthetic is sweet man
Thank you! 🙏
I just shot a outdoors day event (lowrider picnic) using A BLACK PRO MIST FILTER stacked with a ND filter. These really improve the visuals big time. I shoot with a D3200 Nikon Crop Senor DSLR and 35mm kit lens.
Where can I view this?!
I've ordered the new 7Artisans black mist filter into 1/8 strenght. I am more for the Film look, more analog. Because i love Film photography. Since one of my nowadays very old DSLR renders more film-esque, i hope to enhance that feeling a bit more with an 1/8 black mist filter, without overdoing it.
I’ve been using my Dream FX filter from Prism Lens FX for awhile now. I really like what it does to my photos. It does the exact same thing but at lower costs
I really love the way you filmed and directed the documentary about the man with the fallout shelter. I know this is mostly a photography channel, but is there any possibility of a video explaining your views on the filming of a documentary in the future? I’m sure people would be interested, I really would!
Thanks, David. Yep, may do something like that in the future and see how people like it.
I’d really appreciate a making of the documentary with more info on lenses, shots, colour correction etc. I’m a newb and looking to learn. Inspired
Recently started using the same 1/4 and 1/8 filters and love them. Very rarely do it take them off... Nice piece and great footage.
Cheers!
What has more the dreamy effect the 1/4 or 1/8?
I wish all the reviews on TH-cam were like this, great examples that are full of details and personal observations. Amazing job and thank you for your effort 🙏🏽
Thank you!
I literally just placed an order for one last night. You read my mind👀
Could you do more on how you made the doc, lense choices, gear. audio set up, colour grading. I love the look and am quite inspired as someone new to film making.
For sure. Something I'll keep in mind for a future video.
Kyle McDougall thank you. Really appreciate it.
I have been using these recently on my gfx 50r as well and I love the look and more film-like feel to the often sterile digital images, especially for backlight scenarios. Thanks for sharing.
I use a Tiffen Black Pro Mist #1 soft focus filter on medium format film cameras for portraits of older people like the gentleman @6:33 in your video.
I wish you could have shown a side by side comparison of him with a soft focus filter and without a soft focus filter.
I have the 1/8th and the 1/4th. The work on your documentaries was inspiring.
Thanks so much. 🙏
A lot of the footage from those documentaries would be the most beautiful stills I’ve ever seen.
Thank you!
I just picked a 1/8 for car photography, seen the effect on headlights/taillights and it looks really cool
Some more know for my film arsenal, thanks great video Kyle❤️
Thank you.
Another great video Kyle! I am not even into film photography. I mainly shoot modern architecture but your videos and photo's of those old Americana buildings are really fascinating. Thank you again.
Thanks, Mitchell!
I use a 1/2 pearlescent filter for most of my work. I love it!
Nice. Never used that one, I'll have to look it up.
lovely footage dude! really nice stuff.
Thank you. 🙏
Great run through the video and stills! I run the 1/8 filter on step down rings to adapt for different lenses. I've noticed my x100v lens reacts to the 1/8 heavier than my Sony 24-105 f4. I wonder if quality of lens coatings affects how well the strength works.
Nice 😁 I like your video examples. Thanks for the great video!
Oh man you just convinced me to buy the filters. Amazing work and great explanation.
Wow! Your documentary looks so beautifully shot!
Thank you. 🙏
Ahahahha funny « nothing too over the top » talking about the car upside down! Good one
Really nice. It looks great and it helps a little fitting the dynamic range of a scene into the limited dynamic range of my old camera.
Great video Kyle! Love the example and thoughts you shared on this. I've been leaning towards getting the 1/8 black promist for photography myself. Thanks for the work you do for the community!
Cheers Matt!
You didn’t mention that the BPM also slightly warms highlights.
Tiffen has a great “4k Filter Test” video up on TH-cam which shows the effect of every filter type in each value.
Thanks for the extra-candid details of how you shot this footage. I find the 'mystique' element is very often brushed off in 'how to's, with people keeping their cards close to their chest and trying to take credit instead of sharing knowledge of how to elevate your work. That being said, I hope this doesn't lead to a rush of these kind of tools being overused and devalued...
Thanks, Robert. No secrets here.
Cant wait to give these a go on my Z7, will be a great way to keep the practicality of digital while adding a bit of vibe to my photos.
one of these could look real unique with my 55mm f1.2 lens wide open the highlights on that lens are wild i love them, might make me love them more
Great review. Just used your link bro.
Thank you.
Well, this is the video that convinced me to pick up a few of these filters for my GFX! Thanks for making such a good video full of examples and such!
Just watched your documentary films, absolutely beautiful
Thanks for checking them out! Glad you enjoyed.
This is an amazing video. Thank you 🙏🏽 deffo going to invest in one
Great video Kyle. Love the documentaries. Really enjoy this style of video!
Thanks, Sam!
Very nice, i always thought you lose detail with these filters but the daylight photos give amazing sharpness with a bit more feeling!
I have a couple of these pro-mist filters in my camera junk drawer, I should really give them a test run.
So to summarize, the pro mist takes the edge off and adds a little bit more character?
Robin Johansson, no. It blooms and warms the highlights, and slightly lowers contrast.
@@joeltunnah I think you missed the joke...
I shoot film with the 1/8 and looks amazing! Even more with Cinestill 800t
Used to use Black Frost filters all the time in film school. Have been wanting to use some for photography too.
Great video and examples
素敵な映像ありがとうございました❗️
またよろしくお願い致します🙇♀️
I use a 1/8 on my X100V. Just a light touch of bloom and halation without someone saying “hey what filter is that?”
I have the 20% cinebloom as well, but that’s a heavy hitter for ethereal night scenes.
beautiful video, great colours.
Awesome quality 😍
Just bought the k&f pro mist. It's much cheaper than the tiffen, I'm excited to test it and about the results
How do you like the F&F so far?
Fantastic job explaining these filters. Thank you so much.
Hi Kyle..i cannot afford the wonderful Fuji 50r but would you recommend starting with my love for Pentax- the K1 mark 2 perhaps befor going medium format. And maybe couple that with 645n ? Thanks for you vids…so inspiring as I am an ex- photogravure printer by profession and used to scan negs/positive on huge Perspex drum scanners
Hey Fernand, unfortunately I can't comment on the Pentax K1 as I've never used it. Sorry!
I have a vintage Spiratone Mist Maker filter. I wonder which strength of Pro Mist filter it would be comparable with. I also have one where the center is clear. Back in the day I used them occasionally with a Nikkor 1.4 50mm lens. If I could adapt it to use with a Fujifilm x100s that would be great.
Hey Kyle what is the ring to use on different size lenses, please? Cheers
Hey Jennifer, I use different step up rings. From the lens filter size up to the filter I'm using. All of the filters I buy are 77mm in size.
@@KyleMcDougall thanks Kyle, I found one that looks interesting. When I find the link I’ll post it here. Cheers
Great work man. Been using a pro mist for video for years. Only recently considered running one for film.
amazing video, thanks for sharing this!
is there any condition that you shouldn't use this filter?
Hi Kyle, great video as always! I have one question/clarification : if you're using your diffusion filter directly on your lens, you're using a matte box to control the exposure when needed (Ex. @ 7:40) right ?
Yep, you got it!
I couldn't justify the price of the tiffen filter so I found that Hoya also makes a black mist filter for about 1/3, I'm looking forward to trying it out, I think it'll work well with my night photography.
That was a quite explanatory video on what these filters do and how to predict the effect they make - sometimes the effect demonstrated is kind of too weak to be noticed even in direct comparisons.
Such an informative video. Never heard of this filter.
I'm glad that I encountered this channel! It's interesting.
Nice video Kyle, I’ve been using the Tiffen Glimmerglass on my Fuji, which is pretty much the same just has different colour ‘crystals’ on the glass...really nice for backlit situations or night photography for halos over the streetlights
Nice! Heard of the Glimmerglass, but never used one.
My go to pairing has to be the ursa mini pro g2 and nikkor vintage glass. Superb rendering
Beautiful camera, and beautiful lenses.
@@KyleMcDougall I had no idea you did that sigma doc, I've studied that thing front and back for inspiration and reference lol
Guess I add something to my amazon wishlist...
Did you enjoy the gfx 50r, and do you think the slower autofocus could be a problem for documentary/Street stuff? Thinking about getting one
Loved the GFX50R. I'll have a video up next week. Honestly, I didn't pay too much attention to the AF, as I don't use it for my work.
love pro mist filters
I like the effect of the 1/8 black pro mist on my Fuji cameras. I want to try a stronger one. You mentioned a photographer running a stronger strength. Do you mind sharing? I would like to see the effect. Thanks.
I’d share if I could remember. Sorry!
I’m pretty sure he was talking about ‘iogreer’. He used like a pro mist 2 to film one of his latest videos.
That bell phone booth made me think of Canada and I was like “were there bell phone booths in the U.S. like this?? I thought they were all Bell South.. then boom, I saw a photo that gave away you’re in Canada: highway sign in English and French!
Never even knew what a mist filter was but now I’m going to have to get one. I love the character that it adds.🤘
I’ve got an X100T and I’m confused what to get between the 1/4 and 1/8! I want to just put it on my camera and forget about it. Is 1/4 too strong for everyday photography? Is 1/8 so subtle that the looks make it purchasing it not worth it?
I’d go for an 1/8 for everyday use.
Doco looks great. Would love to know the full camera set up.
Thank you. URSA mini pro with Contax Zeiss lenses for the first doc, Sigma Cine lenses for the second.
What a great video and nice photography!
I wish we could mount small version of these Pro-Mist on the sensor side of our lenses!
Hi Kyle, what is the absorption factor of 1/4 and 1/8 filters when using an external light meter? How much does it need to be added? I can't find this information on the Tiffen web-site. Thank you, Giulio
Is it like the old FOG filters? It looks like one of the mild fog filters...
Hey beautiful work! Do you find you get ugly flares when shooting at night with the 1/4? I'm using vintage Nikons and trying to figure out if it's something to do with the coating on the lenses or not...?
Is the noise in the video of the bunker video always due to the filter or added in post?
Added grain in post.
The documentary looks great! What camera did you use to shoot that with? Thank you.
Thanks! URSA Mini Pro.
@@KyleMcDougall Thank you!
Interesting video, thanks for putting it out. I kept waiting for you to show how a digital solution compared to the filter. I can see reasons for going this route but can you not get close to the same affect in digital post?
I’m not much of an effects guy in post, but this is something that probably can’t be exactly replicated, as it’s altering the way that the light is hitting the lens and sensor.
@@KyleMcDougall Possibly but it looks a good bit like "bloom" + "grain." Doing it in post would allow you to dial it in to the level you wanted on a per photo / clip basis and not permanently alter the original. It would be interesting to compare. Still, there is a lot to be said to choosing what you are looking for at capture time.
just the video i was looooking for
Good stuff like always, Kyle.
Would running a Pro-mist Black be much different than going a little negative on the Dehaze slider do you think?
Yeah, IMO it isn't something that can be re-created in post as it's affecting the way the light is hitting the glass.
@@KyleMcDougall Gotcha. It's such a commitment to baking that glow in. But...that's how we all did it in the old days, just went for it or duped it then applied the effect.
Thanks!
It's similar to dehaze slider. If too much add dehaze. Try to experiment with it.
And by the way, your works is beautiful!!!
Thanks for that video! I'm looking for a filter like that for my fuji x lenses. So I need a filter size of 46mm. Is there anything available? I can't find anything
I would say you're best off getting a 46mm to 77mm step up ring. Then you can buy one filter and multiple step up rings to use it across multiple cameras.
@@KyleMcDougall Thanks for your advice. This way I could also use the kid lens for video I guess. Can you recommend a particular set of step up rings?
I just buy cheap ones off of Amazon.
Hello Kyle, I have a Pentax67 also, and I am so curious if you made these tests with the black pro mist on films... thanks and congrats
How i should meter the light if I’m using the pro Mist 1/4? Like usually + 1 stopp or do I need more stops?
May I ask what camera was used in the old man short movie? And the fisherman? Same?
URSA mini pro for both film with some Pocket 4K in the film with the school buses.
Gonna try this on the sirui anamorphic lens
I've been softening my images in NIK. I'll give these a try! Have you tried the 1/2 and 1? The warm version also looks intriguing.
The 1/4 is the strongest I've used. ATM, it's the heaviest I'd go.