For anyone who is interested; when Tiffen created Pro Mist filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal lengths because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on an 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist filters is 1/2 for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 for 25-35mm and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this information is useful.
Great to see the use of a pro-mist for photography and not just for video. Extra points for the beautiful film shots, and putting in the extra effort to make your clips cinematic. Great stuff Kyle!
Been running a 1/4 strength on my film stills recently and have been pretty pleased with the results so far. It gives a lot of shots a very ethereal look that works well in some situations.
A "feature" of digital photography is that everything is sharp and ultra-defined in a paradise for pixel-peepers. Yet there is an appealing and desirable ascetic in the imperfection of film photography and to myself, Pro-Mist filters is a way of putting that back into digital photography.
I really love the way you filmed and directed the documentary about the man with the fallout shelter. I know this is mostly a photography channel, but is there any possibility of a video explaining your views on the filming of a documentary in the future? I’m sure people would be interested, I really would!
Came into this with a negative image of these, I think they are easy to over do. But the examples you had with it helping smooth out clipped areas looked pretty pleasing!
Glad I stumbled upon your channel. Actually educational photography content instead of just a bunch of dudes going out to shoot awful pictures, it's refreshing. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
I never leave comments....but man you deserve it! Love your storytelling. You have what is rare nowadays, the knowledge of how to tell a story visually and with sound. Keep telling stories!
Really interesting Kyle - thank you. I’d been wondering about how to address what I have come to see as increasingly uncomfortable sharpness in modern lenses and this is a good option. But above all the two films are beautiful. Especially the one about Bruce. I grew up through the back half of the Cold War and the fear was real. With the madness in the world today I completely understand his take on life. His final words really hit home; ‘I’ve come to discover that I dare not change one thing.’ Wow. Wish I had Bruce’s clarity and mindfulness. Watched it twice, straight through. Very powerful work.
I wish all the reviews on TH-cam were like this, great examples that are full of details and personal observations. Amazing job and thank you for your effort 🙏🏽
I just shot a outdoors day event (lowrider picnic) using A BLACK PRO MIST FILTER stacked with a ND filter. These really improve the visuals big time. I shoot with a D3200 Nikon Crop Senor DSLR and 35mm kit lens.
I have been using these recently on my gfx 50r as well and I love the look and more film-like feel to the often sterile digital images, especially for backlight scenarios. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the extra-candid details of how you shot this footage. I find the 'mystique' element is very often brushed off in 'how to's, with people keeping their cards close to their chest and trying to take credit instead of sharing knowledge of how to elevate your work. That being said, I hope this doesn't lead to a rush of these kind of tools being overused and devalued...
I've bought one for video and I love it. Only way to make a bright light like a flashlight look good imo. I'd love to see how it works on film, it might make me buy one of the right diameter 🙂
I’ve been using my Dream FX filter from Prism Lens FX for awhile now. I really like what it does to my photos. It does the exact same thing but at lower costs
Another great video Kyle! I am not even into film photography. I mainly shoot modern architecture but your videos and photo's of those old Americana buildings are really fascinating. Thank you again.
You didn’t mention that the BPM also slightly warms highlights. Tiffen has a great “4k Filter Test” video up on TH-cam which shows the effect of every filter type in each value.
I've ordered the new 7Artisans black mist filter into 1/8 strenght. I am more for the Film look, more analog. Because i love Film photography. Since one of my nowadays very old DSLR renders more film-esque, i hope to enhance that feeling a bit more with an 1/8 black mist filter, without overdoing it.
Could you do more on how you made the doc, lense choices, gear. audio set up, colour grading. I love the look and am quite inspired as someone new to film making.
Huge help, thank you! I just purchased the Fuji 56mm f1.4 and wanted to find a good match for it, instead of using a UV/Protection filter. I like extra protection. Ialso have a Promaster HGX polarizer with a stepdwon ring Ican use on this lense. :) Great video and help!
Great video Kyle! Love the example and thoughts you shared on this. I've been leaning towards getting the 1/8 black promist for photography myself. Thanks for the work you do for the community!
Great run through the video and stills! I run the 1/8 filter on step down rings to adapt for different lenses. I've noticed my x100v lens reacts to the 1/8 heavier than my Sony 24-105 f4. I wonder if quality of lens coatings affects how well the strength works.
That bell phone booth made me think of Canada and I was like “were there bell phone booths in the U.S. like this?? I thought they were all Bell South.. then boom, I saw a photo that gave away you’re in Canada: highway sign in English and French!
I use a Tiffen Black Pro Mist #1 soft focus filter on medium format film cameras for portraits of older people like the gentleman @6:33 in your video. I wish you could have shown a side by side comparison of him with a soft focus filter and without a soft focus filter.
Nice video Kyle, I’ve been using the Tiffen Glimmerglass on my Fuji, which is pretty much the same just has different colour ‘crystals’ on the glass...really nice for backlit situations or night photography for halos over the streetlights
I couldn't justify the price of the tiffen filter so I found that Hoya also makes a black mist filter for about 1/3, I'm looking forward to trying it out, I think it'll work well with my night photography.
That was a quite explanatory video on what these filters do and how to predict the effect they make - sometimes the effect demonstrated is kind of too weak to be noticed even in direct comparisons.
I use a 1/8 on my X100V. Just a light touch of bloom and halation without someone saying “hey what filter is that?” I have the 20% cinebloom as well, but that’s a heavy hitter for ethereal night scenes.
YT recommended you cuz I searched Pro-Mist. Didn't know you before but love your personality and your work! Damn! Those scenaries with the old people. Looks real movie! Nice documentary style! Subcsribed. Will check you back when I take my steps for analoge :)
This filter blew my mind 🤯 I definitely need to get one. Your videos are so informative. I really love your photography and b-roll videos. I started shooting film awhile back and Im hooked. Im in the process of trying out several different labs and wanted to ask you, which lab do you get your scans from? I've been trying to get TIFF scans.
I have a vintage Spiratone Mist Maker filter. I wonder which strength of Pro Mist filter it would be comparable with. I also have one where the center is clear. Back in the day I used them occasionally with a Nikkor 1.4 50mm lens. If I could adapt it to use with a Fujifilm x100s that would be great.
I bought two Black Pro Mist's recently. Also 1/4 and 1/8, and realized that it will live on my lenses forever. But I bought WARM Black Pro Mists, because I always move my images more to the warm, but now I'm not sure that it was right decision. Maybe I should buy neutral ones also. But overall I'm in love with it! Even 1/8 just beautifully helps to get rid of this modern digital perfection. Also it looks like the effect is stronger on more telephoto lenses. Sometimes when 1/4 looks good on 24mm, it looks too much on 85mm. Did you notice it?
I'd love to see a breakdown of the lighting for these clips you are referencing. Also, have you ever used the Zeiss Softar? It's supposed to be similar to the Black Pro Mist.
I’ve got an X100T and I’m confused what to get between the 1/4 and 1/8! I want to just put it on my camera and forget about it. Is 1/4 too strong for everyday photography? Is 1/8 so subtle that the looks make it purchasing it not worth it?
Hi Kyle, great video as always! I have one question/clarification : if you're using your diffusion filter directly on your lens, you're using a matte box to control the exposure when needed (Ex. @ 7:40) right ?
Hi Kyle..i cannot afford the wonderful Fuji 50r but would you recommend starting with my love for Pentax- the K1 mark 2 perhaps befor going medium format. And maybe couple that with 645n ? Thanks for you vids…so inspiring as I am an ex- photogravure printer by profession and used to scan negs/positive on huge Perspex drum scanners
Love this. I have the 1/2 and 1/4 black mist and moonlit knights in the winter, at least in the uk, offer huge potential. Are you now permanently back in Canada btw?
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For anyone who is interested; when Tiffen created Pro Mist filters they created the different strengths in order to provide a consistent level of filtration across the range of focal lengths because the filtration effect increases as the focal length of the lens becomes more telephoto. A 1/4 pro mist (black or white) will be much stronger on an 85mm lens than it will be on a 25mm lens. A common formula for using Pro Mist filters is 1/2 for 18mm and wider, the 1/4 for 25-35mm and 1/8 for 50mm and above. This principle applies to all diffusion filters. I hope this information is useful.
So if I use a 50mm lens I should get a 1/8 Pro mist filter?
Have you?
Would you suggest a 1/4 for a 16-35 lens?
What about a 27mm lens on a asp-c sensor?
Thank u
Those documentaries were amazing! You're an incredibly talented filmmaker
I appreciate that, Ryan. Thank you. 🙏
Ryan is absolutely correct, keep up the great work!
Agreed
@@KyleMcDougall Hey Ryan how did you achieve the grain in the documentary footage?
+1 to that.
Great to see the use of a pro-mist for photography and not just for video. Extra points for the beautiful film shots, and putting in the extra effort to make your clips cinematic. Great stuff Kyle!
Thank you Philippe!
Been running a 1/4 strength on my film stills recently and have been pretty pleased with the results so far. It gives a lot of shots a very ethereal look that works well in some situations.
A "feature" of digital photography is that everything is sharp and ultra-defined in a paradise for pixel-peepers. Yet there is an appealing and desirable ascetic in the imperfection of film photography and to myself, Pro-Mist filters is a way of putting that back into digital photography.
There are Black Pro Mist filters and there are pro-mist filters, which are you talking about?
@@superbmediacontentcreator All apples are fruits, not all fruits are apples.
I really love the way you filmed and directed the documentary about the man with the fallout shelter. I know this is mostly a photography channel, but is there any possibility of a video explaining your views on the filming of a documentary in the future? I’m sure people would be interested, I really would!
Thanks, David. Yep, may do something like that in the future and see how people like it.
I’d really appreciate a making of the documentary with more info on lenses, shots, colour correction etc. I’m a newb and looking to learn. Inspired
Came into this with a negative image of these, I think they are easy to over do. But the examples you had with it helping smooth out clipped areas looked pretty pleasing!
Glad I stumbled upon your channel. Actually educational photography content instead of just a bunch of dudes going out to shoot awful pictures, it's refreshing. Thanks for sharing the knowledge!
Speaking of lighting, really enjoy your desk/room lighting. 🤌 the red/warm contrast
No wonder why your b-roll looks so good in your videos. I would love to see a video about planning, shooting and grading.
Thank you. Something I may do in the future.
I never leave comments....but man you deserve it! Love your storytelling. You have what is rare nowadays, the knowledge of how to tell a story visually and with sound. Keep telling stories!
Thanks, Riccardo. Very kind of ya!
Kyle, I love your storytelling abilities and they show through on all you do. I particularly enjoyed your documentaries. Such a gift!
Thanks, Donald. Much appreciated.
Really interesting Kyle - thank you. I’d been wondering about how to address what I have come to see as increasingly uncomfortable sharpness in modern lenses and this is a good option.
But above all the two films are beautiful. Especially the one about Bruce. I grew up through the back half of the Cold War and the fear was real. With the madness in the world today I completely understand his take on life. His final words really hit home; ‘I’ve come to discover that I dare not change one thing.’ Wow. Wish I had Bruce’s clarity and mindfulness. Watched it twice, straight through. Very powerful work.
Thanks for checking out the films, Ben. Glad you enjoyed them!
A lot of the footage from those documentaries would be the most beautiful stills I’ve ever seen.
Thank you!
I gotta say Kyle you make by far the best and most enjoyable content around film photography online. Thank out for your insights and honest approach!
I appreciate that, Ben. Thanks for watching.
1/8 vs 1/4 analysis most appreciated. Thank you 🙏😊
dude didn't even know you did films too, your filmmaking aesthetic is sweet man
Thank you! 🙏
I wish all the reviews on TH-cam were like this, great examples that are full of details and personal observations. Amazing job and thank you for your effort 🙏🏽
Thank you!
Just picked up a 1/8 Black Pro Mist to use with Fuji glass on my X-T4. Did a boatload of research and looking forward to playing with it!
I just shot a outdoors day event (lowrider picnic) using A BLACK PRO MIST FILTER stacked with a ND filter. These really improve the visuals big time. I shoot with a D3200 Nikon Crop Senor DSLR and 35mm kit lens.
Where can I view this?!
I keep a 1/4 on my eos r for most my photography and I definitely prefer the soft look it gives
I have been using these recently on my gfx 50r as well and I love the look and more film-like feel to the often sterile digital images, especially for backlight scenarios. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the extra-candid details of how you shot this footage. I find the 'mystique' element is very often brushed off in 'how to's, with people keeping their cards close to their chest and trying to take credit instead of sharing knowledge of how to elevate your work. That being said, I hope this doesn't lead to a rush of these kind of tools being overused and devalued...
Thanks, Robert. No secrets here.
I've bought one for video and I love it. Only way to make a bright light like a flashlight look good imo.
I'd love to see how it works on film, it might make me buy one of the right diameter 🙂
Use stepup - stepdown rings!
I’ve been using my Dream FX filter from Prism Lens FX for awhile now. I really like what it does to my photos. It does the exact same thing but at lower costs
I have the 1/8th and the 1/4th. The work on your documentaries was inspiring.
Thanks so much. 🙏
Another great video Kyle! I am not even into film photography. I mainly shoot modern architecture but your videos and photo's of those old Americana buildings are really fascinating. Thank you again.
Thanks, Mitchell!
Recently started using the same 1/4 and 1/8 filters and love them. Very rarely do it take them off... Nice piece and great footage.
Cheers!
What has more the dreamy effect the 1/4 or 1/8?
I just picked a 1/8 for car photography, seen the effect on headlights/taillights and it looks really cool
You didn’t mention that the BPM also slightly warms highlights.
Tiffen has a great “4k Filter Test” video up on TH-cam which shows the effect of every filter type in each value.
I literally just placed an order for one last night. You read my mind👀
Wow! Your documentary looks so beautifully shot!
Thank you. 🙏
I use a 1/2 pearlescent filter for most of my work. I love it!
Nice. Never used that one, I'll have to look it up.
I've ordered the new 7Artisans black mist filter into 1/8 strenght. I am more for the Film look, more analog. Because i love Film photography. Since one of my nowadays very old DSLR renders more film-esque, i hope to enhance that feeling a bit more with an 1/8 black mist filter, without overdoing it.
Could you do more on how you made the doc, lense choices, gear. audio set up, colour grading. I love the look and am quite inspired as someone new to film making.
For sure. Something I'll keep in mind for a future video.
Kyle McDougall thank you. Really appreciate it.
Huge help, thank you! I just purchased the Fuji 56mm f1.4 and wanted to find a good match for it, instead of using a UV/Protection filter. I like extra protection. Ialso have a Promaster HGX polarizer with a stepdwon ring Ican use on this lense. :) Great video and help!
Cant wait to give these a go on my Z7, will be a great way to keep the practicality of digital while adding a bit of vibe to my photos.
one of these could look real unique with my 55mm f1.2 lens wide open the highlights on that lens are wild i love them, might make me love them more
Oh man you just convinced me to buy the filters. Amazing work and great explanation.
Really nice. It looks great and it helps a little fitting the dynamic range of a scene into the limited dynamic range of my old camera.
Great video Kyle! Love the example and thoughts you shared on this. I've been leaning towards getting the 1/8 black promist for photography myself. Thanks for the work you do for the community!
Cheers Matt!
I have a couple of these pro-mist filters in my camera junk drawer, I should really give them a test run.
Ahahahha funny « nothing too over the top » talking about the car upside down! Good one
Some more know for my film arsenal, thanks great video Kyle❤️
Thank you.
lovely footage dude! really nice stuff.
Thank you. 🙏
Used to use Black Frost filters all the time in film school. Have been wanting to use some for photography too.
Awesome quality 😍
Just bought the k&f pro mist. It's much cheaper than the tiffen, I'm excited to test it and about the results
How do you like the F&F so far?
Well, this is the video that convinced me to pick up a few of these filters for my GFX! Thanks for making such a good video full of examples and such!
Guess I add something to my amazon wishlist...
Very nice, i always thought you lose detail with these filters but the daylight photos give amazing sharpness with a bit more feeling!
Just watched your documentary films, absolutely beautiful
Thanks for checking them out! Glad you enjoyed.
I shoot film with the 1/8 and looks amazing! Even more with Cinestill 800t
I'm glad that I encountered this channel! It's interesting.
Great run through the video and stills! I run the 1/8 filter on step down rings to adapt for different lenses. I've noticed my x100v lens reacts to the 1/8 heavier than my Sony 24-105 f4. I wonder if quality of lens coatings affects how well the strength works.
That bell phone booth made me think of Canada and I was like “were there bell phone booths in the U.S. like this?? I thought they were all Bell South.. then boom, I saw a photo that gave away you’re in Canada: highway sign in English and French!
I use a Tiffen Black Pro Mist #1 soft focus filter on medium format film cameras for portraits of older people like the gentleman @6:33 in your video.
I wish you could have shown a side by side comparison of him with a soft focus filter and without a soft focus filter.
Great video Kyle. Love the documentaries. Really enjoy this style of video!
Thanks, Sam!
Great work man. Been using a pro mist for video for years. Only recently considered running one for film.
Nice 😁 I like your video examples. Thanks for the great video!
Nice video Kyle, I’ve been using the Tiffen Glimmerglass on my Fuji, which is pretty much the same just has different colour ‘crystals’ on the glass...really nice for backlit situations or night photography for halos over the streetlights
Nice! Heard of the Glimmerglass, but never used one.
So to summarize, the pro mist takes the edge off and adds a little bit more character?
Robin Johansson, no. It blooms and warms the highlights, and slightly lowers contrast.
@@joeltunnah I think you missed the joke...
My go to pairing has to be the ursa mini pro g2 and nikkor vintage glass. Superb rendering
Beautiful camera, and beautiful lenses.
@@KyleMcDougall I had no idea you did that sigma doc, I've studied that thing front and back for inspiration and reference lol
素敵な映像ありがとうございました❗️
またよろしくお願い致します🙇♀️
I couldn't justify the price of the tiffen filter so I found that Hoya also makes a black mist filter for about 1/3, I'm looking forward to trying it out, I think it'll work well with my night photography.
Fantastic job explaining these filters. Thank you so much.
That was a quite explanatory video on what these filters do and how to predict the effect they make - sometimes the effect demonstrated is kind of too weak to be noticed even in direct comparisons.
I use a 1/8 on my X100V. Just a light touch of bloom and halation without someone saying “hey what filter is that?”
I have the 20% cinebloom as well, but that’s a heavy hitter for ethereal night scenes.
Only filter that I ever lost was black pro mist filter :(
YT recommended you cuz I searched Pro-Mist. Didn't know you before but love your personality and your work! Damn! Those scenaries with the old people. Looks real movie! Nice documentary style!
Subcsribed.
Will check you back when I take my steps for analoge :)
Thanks for watching and subscribing!
Is it like the old FOG filters? It looks like one of the mild fog filters...
love pro mist filters
Such an informative video. Never heard of this filter.
Great video and examples
Great review. Just used your link bro.
Thank you.
Never even knew what a mist filter was but now I’m going to have to get one. I love the character that it adds.🤘
the intro reminded me of getting to the word count I needed in school texts
What a great video and nice photography!
I wish we could mount small version of these Pro-Mist on the sensor side of our lenses!
This is an amazing video. Thank you 🙏🏽 deffo going to invest in one
beautiful video, great colours.
I've never seen these before.Thanks.
It's similar to dehaze slider. If too much add dehaze. Try to experiment with it.
just the video i was looooking for
This filter blew my mind 🤯 I definitely need to get one. Your videos are so informative. I really love your photography and b-roll videos. I started shooting film awhile back and Im hooked. Im in the process of trying out several different labs and wanted to ask you, which lab do you get your scans from? I've been trying to get TIFF scans.
Thanks so much. Glad you’d find them helpful. I’ve used The Find Lab in the past and been happy with them. That would be my recommendation.
Kyle McDougall Thank you so much! I’m gonna check them out.
Gonna try this on the sirui anamorphic lens
Would've helped if you specified if you were using 1/4 or 1/8 for those specific scenes you were showing.
Doco looks great. Would love to know the full camera set up.
Thank you. URSA mini pro with Contax Zeiss lenses for the first doc, Sigma Cine lenses for the second.
And by the way, your works is beautiful!!!
I have a vintage Spiratone Mist Maker filter. I wonder which strength of Pro Mist filter it would be comparable with. I also have one where the center is clear. Back in the day I used them occasionally with a Nikkor 1.4 50mm lens. If I could adapt it to use with a Fujifilm x100s that would be great.
I bought two Black Pro Mist's recently. Also 1/4 and 1/8, and realized that it will live on my lenses forever.
But I bought WARM Black Pro Mists, because I always move my images more to the warm, but now I'm not sure that it was right decision. Maybe I should buy neutral ones also.
But overall I'm in love with it!
Even 1/8 just beautifully helps to get rid of this modern digital perfection.
Also it looks like the effect is stronger on more telephoto lenses. Sometimes when 1/4 looks good on 24mm, it looks too much on 85mm. Did you notice it?
The effect does change depending on the focal length. I only ever really shoot with a 25/35/50, so I don't notice too much of a difference.
I'd love to see a breakdown of the lighting for these clips you are referencing. Also, have you ever used the Zeiss Softar? It's supposed to be similar to the Black Pro Mist.
Most of these scenes were natural light! Never heard of the Zeiss, but I'll check them out.
@@KyleMcDougall Ahh, amazing use of natural light, man! Looks very pro! What camera did you use?
wtf Kyle, these are so good. Wow
Thanks man!
I’ve got an X100T and I’m confused what to get between the 1/4 and 1/8! I want to just put it on my camera and forget about it. Is 1/4 too strong for everyday photography? Is 1/8 so subtle that the looks make it purchasing it not worth it?
I’d go for an 1/8 for everyday use.
Hi Kyle, great video as always! I have one question/clarification : if you're using your diffusion filter directly on your lens, you're using a matte box to control the exposure when needed (Ex. @ 7:40) right ?
Yep, you got it!
Hey man, those films were beautiful. Just wanted to say that. ✌🏼
I appreciate that. Thanks for checking them out.
Kyle McDougall Absolutely, thanks for sharing them. As a sidenote I finally got myself a Pentax 67ii yesterday. I’m very excited
Hi Kyle..i cannot afford the wonderful Fuji 50r but would you recommend starting with my love for Pentax- the K1 mark 2 perhaps befor going medium format. And maybe couple that with 645n ? Thanks for you vids…so inspiring as I am an ex- photogravure printer by profession and used to scan negs/positive on huge Perspex drum scanners
Hey Fernand, unfortunately I can't comment on the Pentax K1 as I've never used it. Sorry!
Extra point, the longer the focal length the more intense it will be, a 1/4 on a 70-200 can be a bit too overwhelming
damn i really want that motel photo as my wallpaper
Thanks for the interesting video.
Is the noise in the video of the bunker video always due to the filter or added in post?
Added grain in post.
Love this. I have the 1/2 and 1/4 black mist and moonlit knights in the winter, at least in the uk, offer huge potential. Are you now permanently back in Canada btw?
Not permanently. Just waiting on my visa to be approved. Should be back in the near future.