Why Phone Prices don't reflect Performance
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Pocophone and other budget brands seem to outperform much more expensive devices like the Galaxy Note 9. Price does not seem to follow performance at all. What's going on? - The Story Behind - Episode 45
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While the world of PC Gaming still is a bit weary of the effect Phones are having on gaming as a whole, it is interesting to think how the two platforms inherently have radically different approach at the same problems. I think as the generations who come online with a Phone rather than a PC become older we are going to see more interesting overlaps in these companies and their strategies.
But I also think there should be "Gaming" phones that had gamepads on them so what do I know?
You conquered your couch?Or tech altar still there?
Look up the Nokia N-gage.
10th like. gott'em
Rog Phone
I don't think Phone has a capital P unless it has the letter 'i' in front of it.
It is an unexpected cross-over, but a welcomed one indeed!
How DARE YOU to screw up a r/prequelmemes quote!
@@cavemann_ it's outrageous, it's unfair
@@khai96x a suprise to be sure.. but a welcome one
this is getting out of hand. now there are two of them
You violated the holy memes of the pequels!
"in some cases maybe AMD", that has improved a lot in the last fey years!
Definitely, I have a Ryzen CPU in my main rig, but market share still skews very heavily towards Intel, especially in laptops and non-enthusiast devices
the stigma of AMD = Cheap, Intel = Premium, never went away.
@@TechAltar
True. For desktops AMD offers more value for most of the users for the money but OEM's are slow at incorporating Ryzen in their desktops because of the customer its familiarity with the Intel branding. I compared the number of desktops for the 7700k and the 8700k with all of Ryzen: it is rouglhy equal if you take the 7700k or 8700k separately. Crazy, isn't it? I am curious how this will change if the Zen2 CPU's outperform the Intel CPU's. I expect that OEM's still will use Intel for at least 50% of their desktops.
For laptops AMD has the problem that the power consumption of laptops with a Ryzen CPU is a bit too high. I don't know to what extend the microcode, BIOS and software (Windows power profiles) and to what extend the hardware causes it but the battery drains faster. Roughly 6 hours vs 8 hours for a comparable load. If you watch a lot of videos with the laptop then Intel has an advantage with the integrated graphics.
Just a year ago I had to buy a laptop, I wanted to buy one with an AMD APU(to get the market healthy) but I would have to pay $100 more and the battery life was half while the OEM's were slow at releasing updated drivers for the integrated graphics (the day1 drivers were not good). The OEM (Acer) or retail (higher profit margin for AMD?) seems to have charged too much, at the end of 2018 the price got $100 lower while the one with an Intel CPU got $200 more expensive (Intel its problems with delivering CPU's). My next desktop will highly probably contain a Ryzen 3600(X) or 3700(X) and I will assemble it myself. I will also upgrade to a Navi *80 if it doesn't disappoint, currently I have an HD 7850 and I want that 1440p gaming so I skipped the RX 480.
@@gureguru4694
Unfortunately you are probably correct about that, for at least 95% of the PC users. The 'enthusiasts' know better and say these days: AMD if you want more value for the money, Intel if you want the very best and you are willing to pay a lot for it. After all, there is no point in buying an i5-8400 for your desktop (the 2600(X) simply gives more value per $ , though I consider the 8400 to be the best value/$ from Intel at the moment) but a 9900k can be a solid choice if you are willing to spend that much extra and you can afford it.
With "affording it" you also have to take into account when you will be able/willing to upgrade it again after having spent all that money and to some extend you have to take into account that there is an upgrade path on a X370/X470/B450 motherboard (I delibeately leave out the B350). To some extend because eventually you will want to get the better interfaces, I/O and DDR5 but it is nice if you can for example first upgrade the CPU (not get 100% out of it) and upgrade the motherboard 1 or 2 years later etcetera. For me anyway.
Formerly an Intel guy. I still love Intel, but AMD Ryzen products were too much of a steal for me to not use, so I moved on....and it's great. I don't think I would ever suggest an Intel device if AMD keeps this up. It'd be awesome if this forces Intel to compete with their prices and performance as well.
I love this consistent upload schedule!!! What is this?! Haha!
I'm terrified of getting used to it
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It's German efficiency.
Watching low spec gamer with high texture... Lol
The stranger man is supposed to be you Marton the Enthusiast.
Its really not about performance these days,its all about the aesthetics,build quality and features
Build quality is one of the things that make me more willing to buy a more expensive product.
Plastic is UNACCEPTABLE on these all-in-one smartphones designed to go absolutely everywhere with you which takes 80% of all budget and mid-range phones out of consideration, and the recent addition of glass-backs is the worst thing that could have possibly happened to premium phones like Galaxy S7/8/9/10 and iPhone 8/X/XS/XR.
I’m still on an iPhone SE in my 2nd year of using it because of the perfect size for one-handed use and pleasant anodized aluminum finish.
I love many things about the XR, but that glass back has me longing for an iPhone SE successor that has an XR-style edge-to-edge screen but has an aluminum back (which removes wireless charging but is so much more comfortable and durable)
Change your pic, i see you everywhere. 😁
For me, it was build quality and performance. I don't care if my phone looks like a brick.
@@TurboPikachu heavy polycarbonate is great
Ultra Instinct Goku That’s why my first smartphone was an iPhone 5C. But even then it still wasn’t quite as pleasant to the touch IMO as the SE is now
Once You notice Your sound loop it is impossible to not notice, but I like Your content, so I have to manage it :) Regards
Yeah he should get rid of it
Ohh no now I can here it
And once you realize it's the same loop that pewdiepie uses on "pew news", it becomes more insidious.
*Thomas Frank*
damn both of them have a the same thiccc accent. haha
Great video Marton ! Love your voice and totally agree with you :)
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brilliant is expensive
expensive ain't brilliant
Not necessarily.
No you just tried to sound smart cause if I made a 15k 8k recording its brilliant cause none have it
Only tech channel I click bell icon
Facts
You clicked twice? Jk.
Always love your narrative videos dude. Solid!
Thanks man!
@@TechAltar Dude your content is really good but please get the rid of the sound loop it's too annoying and makes it hard to listen
What about AMD homie?
Ryzen architecture is outstanding!
Don't leave AMD behind, bro!
That ad segue at the end was seamless. Great video and analysis as always.
I choose the product which is more democratic. I configure my own pc and buy laptops that are upgradable. I boot windows and linux depending on my use case. I dont buy costly phones as upgrade in a year or two helps me stay updated and I root the phones so that the phone is according to my needs.
If more people went this way companies will have to keep innovating to stay relevant atleast in hardware.
And since you are rooting, you don't even need to buy a new phone every two years. You can try and push it for as long as you can get it to work.
We just need to control our urge and not get swayed by newer phones/models every year;)
Not a lot of people have time to do all of this.
The problem is my Phone's ram is 3GB. ))::
@@fatisdead7150 Agreed its not for everyone, just that if everyone did this it would be good for development of tech in more democratic way. I run my own architecture firm so I need a powerful computer therefore I get whats the best and keep upgrading.
For phones its just a hobby to tinker with the os and personalize the os according to my requirements.
And my computers do make me money as majority of my work is on computers, so for me it pays to do this.
Products are neither democratic or undemocratic. It's a stupid thing to say, because nobody is voting here. Products are not running in any election and all the products are made in communist china anyways. You are just applying a random word to your preference of customization and confuse consumer options with some ill defined political terms. If products were "democratic" people would choose iphones anyways, because majority are crowd and crowd is stupid.
oh man two of my favorite channels, hopefully future material will be available for you guys to work on! would love to see more
Love your stuff man! Always fun to watch and super interesting
Who would win?
A big company with a lot of money and super expensive processors
Or
One overclocked boy
What is this, a crossover episode? Considering your videos and LowSpecGamer's videos, this one makes so much sense!
2 of my favorites on YT! great collab.
The collab I never knew I wanted. Love it!
Hey, the MacBook keyboard layout at 7:02 is Cyrillic! :)
Very nice and interesting video, thank you for your work!
Techalter always for Trusty analysis
That's what TA stands for duh
You two are the most comfortable pair of hosts I've ever seen, it makes for such an enjoyable video! Hope you do more together
Hey, nice picture in the background, where did you get it ?
This is great stuff, TechAltar does some of the best reviews ever. Thank you!
Thanks for subtitles!
4:59 who noticed Martin at the back of the pc
This is a better explanation than the short one on the LowSpec video
A collab we needed but didn't deserve
Nice, thanks for sharing 😀👍
Xiaomi is showing adds ? What does it means exactly ? How does this work in practice ?
I'm curious about these phones (coming from Samsung) but I loathe advertising.
They simply generate enough revenue from ads so the phone could be cheaper for the end-user, albeit a bit too intrusive in the end. There are ad phones out there, which are significantly cheaper than their normal counterparts simply because they could receive the difference in pricing pretty quickly. In theory, you need to watch ads all over the phone, let it be wallpaper, lock screen, various other tasks, though they are far more forgiving and won't interrupt whatever you're doing at the same time as you're seeing ads.
Moreover, prebuilt apps also generate revenue for them, because this is barebones advertising, since a lot of people will launch that app regardless of it's usefulness.
You can disable ads in xioami phones
I’d like to see a video on best phones for cost with a chart comparing specs and price showing the best value ones
I suspect you could assemble a Surface device too by purchasing spare parts and repair kits, of course it would be the same device in the end. By the way I feel like a good topic in the future would be digitizer boards, there is a lot to it with Wacom, Microsoft and Apple competing in the same space, or how Alldocube managed to build and sell 3-4 tablets with Wacom EMR digitizers.
I have been watching your videos from Day 1. however, I am wondering what’s the name of the song used in the intro?
I hope you change to 2:1 aspect ratio.
Great video though.
cool that you got Fez from the that 70th show in the crossover 😬
This is probably the first one of your videos I haven't watched to the end. The music is just so jarring/interrupting just as you speak and once I noticed I couldn't focus on your voice well.
Would it be possible to get a "quiet zone" version whereby we can have the music at like half the volume?
I really like your thought and analysis of the technology sector. Especially since you an european/global perspective on the market.
Just one thing about the end of your video. It should be better that it has a clearer and conclusion. Now it just flows into the commercial which is a really weird end. It's more acceptable in the middle of the video, although I think it would be better with a clear seperation.
Very thoughtful topic. Good.
Nice topic and well explained.
Awesome painting of El Avila!
4 mins in but I disagree, every relevant phone is basically the same, besides iphones having ios...
the rest I do agree tho, it's just brands abusing user's ignorance
Highly Impact software experience on Chinese os.
This was the last thing I had expected, really, it's on the same level as the AVGN walking into the frame to explain why everything is shit
Nice work
Hey man i really like your videos i learn a lot here .. thank you for the hard work and the information you keep sharing with us!
Anw i always asked myself why samsung and google dont team up to create the ultimate phone (samsung hardware + google software) specialy that the market is now saturated and the competition is so high with the chineese brands .
I really want to know more about it if possible👍🏽
In my thought in spite of questioning a reliable future invention of high performance electronic computing hardware as part of strategic innovation most competing consumer electronic companies may often found a way to generate their own strategic monetization for selling their invented devices in terms of labor, professional fee, research and production, and mostly their long-term basic needs.
Just as in the past, they started in inventing low-end basic computing performance on most classic devices from the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s, 2000s, and so on until our present time. In order to improve more, they need more funding, not only just as I mentioned above but also they also need to upgrade their facility in order to enhance the quality of inventing their devices to the consumers.
You can install android yourself it's called aosp based custom ROMs. But they don't include google apps by default.
Great content, but the sound quality is a bit on the bad side. Way to much echo.
i was specting marton start to speak on spanish xD
This channel has a very good vsaucy vibe to it but still is very original and the contents are really engaging and unique! Love it!
Cpu also effects image quality and outcome not just software, best example is to compare Galaxy range SD vs Exynos, same software, same camera but produce different images.
Thank you; fascinating information you presented here! (Also, really dig the shot of the cracked phone near the end. (Huawei, no?) Nice touch, however unintended it might be, though, I doubt it was not intended.
This is definitely true, I didn't realise the componentization of PCs compared to the single package of an iPhone. Hmm, great video!
Love the notch on your G6
"more creative with pricing" because most consumers are n00bs. That also is a problem with laptops and desktops from OEM's: a $200 graphics card on top of it => $350 extra on the price, $100 extra of RAM or Storage => $200 extra on the price. It sucks. You can easily assemble your own desktop, assembling your laptop is a lot more difficult, also because you can't easily buy all the parts.
I think the only notebook brand that ppl would pay premium for was (well still is but sadly it's really declining lately) different and offered unique features was ThinkPad - mainly for their superior build quality and track point which is just much faster and more convenient for heavy users than touch pad.
What is it the name of the song in this video
Christian Nanzell - Tarantulas
Brilliant as always. An I mean, the video not the sponsor.
Honestly, I've been watching your videos for months and you always produce quality. Thanks for being an amazing TH-camr!
Nice video, Marton.
Tech Altar is the shit! Thanks for the super relevant awesome content. Keep it up. Keep it coming.
Wonderful video.
Look in PC/laptop market it's the same as the phone market you can find 2 PCs one at 1600$ and other at 2600$ with the same inside hardware (cpu/gpu) but one have better screen( g synch refresh rate), better keyboard , slimer, better cooling system ( laptop Walmart and MacBook or Razer) what is funny in laptop market is you find the same inside hardware within the same brand at different prices like Acer or Asus or a lot of laptop brands
Can you talk about Apple v Spotify? It appears to me it's really kicking off!
Hardware customization in mobile phones was allowed up to certain degree in modular phones. But those phones never really catched up .
Yooo what a crossover
When it became necessary recently to buy a new cellphone (my 5 yr old Droid Razr HD stopped recognizing SIM cards when we changed providers) I bought the Moto e5, *unlocked*, for around $130. It does what it needs to do (make and receive phone calls, keep addresses and notes) at an affordable price, and I'm not *excessively* tied to someone's ecosystem (hello Apple).
My PC acquisitions are different. I usually re-purpose used equipment, and run Linux; the laptops being made these days are too flimsy in construction and lacking in connectivity/expandability. And my next desktop system will be my own custom build, since the mid-towers you get from the big-box stores or direct (from Dell, etc) are taking too many clues from the cellphone makers and using too many proprietary/specialized parts. I miss my old InWin Q500 case.
Excellent video
yo why did you change that lit thumbnail?
is that an Avila mountain painting?
8:27 which phone?
I love your videos. The only honest reviewer and analyst left on TH-cam.
Ohhh so they collaborated. No wonder I was thinking I remembered already watching this video
Is that the Avila Mountain from Venezuela?
Is that a painting of the Avila?
You are too damn underrated. You are awesome man. 😊👍👍👍
Can we backround music, anything e.g. black heat - ross budgens because the same music over and over is way too boring for not so boring video
I think the music is amazing!
@@athulpaulp not after a hour
I think this is the proper place to make this question. (You have already talked about it but I'm interested in what you audience thinks )
I do not want to spend a lot in a phone. If I want to go "premium" im thinking of getting the OnePlus 6t, this for me it doesn't make any sense, money-wise. The alternative is to buy the Poco F1.
From these two phones should I expect that they will work good enough for 2-3 years?
I have a oneplus 6t and yes you can keep it for 3-4 years as my friend has 3t and it is still running fine
@@animenomad4186 from your experience and from my perspective. The ~300 USD more it worth ir
@@PerezQ100 yup it is unless you are apple loyalist and only give damn about the apple logo
why is the fps so low?
Recommendation Squad
A little criticism: Google will liscense you the Google Apps for private use. People using Custom Roms with Google Apps will know that.
PC "Chips" are not that much different from mobile ones in the sense that you described. While it is yrue that Intel liscenses their x86 Architecture pretty much just to AMD there is real competiton and AMD has significant Marketshare. Both manufacturers also use different sockets and Chipsets. And while there is more differentiation in manufacturers on the arm-side the architecture stays the same. So on both the arm and the x86 side you got various different processors from different manufactuers, that still run basically any application for that Plattform.
Also Qualcom and Samsung would sell you a single chip. Small scale Tech manufacturers buy low quantitys all the time, it is just more expensive. Also besides Prototyping there is not much use for a non-socketed processor. However with the spread of arm Servers that might change.
Very unexpected. Very Cool, low spec gamer and techaltar
I like ur spactacles along with ur video contents... :)
Man, Chester Bennington used to wear spectacles :'(
already subbed to these 2 channels years before they even colab
4:51 you're saying software instead of hardware.
Please i am the only one that can not listen anymore to the same loop of music in the background
Like the video are good but i just don't watch it because of that
What is this song? I want it
It's all about upscaling,
You've got a few dollars of plastic,
A few dollars of chips, boards,
few dollars of screen and cameras
few dollars of speaker, amp, and headphones,
and a few dollars worth battery.
The biggest expense is the army of marketing specialists and programmers and engineers.
This is also why lots of staff can make a great app but one person designing will be a more niche / rugged exp.
Still on that Kyocera life...i mean duraforce pro...the hydro life still works though. No performance, mid range price.
I've been subscribed to your channel for quite a while, I'm one of those computer software nerds that really doesn't understand the industry and your videos are a godsend for people like me; never the less, this is the first time I am commenting.
Just wanted to point out that your partnership with thelowspecgamer is a match made in heaven, his channel coupled with yours is kryptonite to a software uncultured swine like me. Hoping to see more partnerships from you too in the future.
This comment was written in a garbage Huawei that cost less than 100 euros, but the quality of the video still made me feel like commenting.
So mobile device companies refuse to standardize manufacturing so they can continue to price gouge consumers
THIS CROSSOVER IS AMAZING!!!
May b u Don't know but there's a no add on poco policy hence I never saw any add on my pocophone f1😄
Lol good opening
When the music kicked in, I thought PEWNEWS
This felt more like a "Why are PCs not priced like smartphones" (or vice versa) video tbh
Don't know why I juss love tech alter intro
I am watching it with headphones in the middle of the night, alone in my room. At 1:42 I've looked to right with fearful eyes. After being sure there is nothing there I rewinded the video and same thing happened again. Thank you...
you expect answers like - what you do with your phone and not it's price, reflect performance