Watching this on my iPad Pro 12.9” (5th generation) and got absolutely FLASHBANGED by that intro… I’ll see you guys in court! Well I won’t see you because my eyes…
I'm with Mark on this one. This is as close as you get in a modern car to an 80s Mercedes, drive it forever, type of vehicle. An "old money" car that you can hold onto for a while.
Not really, 80’s and early 90’s Mercedes’ were packed with innovation and were mechanically pretty much unmatched. They were as complex as they were reliable. ES neither brings any innovation to the table nor is built to a higher standard than its rivals.
@austindavis1045 Absolutely! Mercedes since 2000 has had more recalls and faults than any other carmaker.Trading on a past reputation for quality, durability and reliability that no longer exists. Like most German makes use too much plastic crap and built to a price rather than quality you lease and don't want to own out of warranty.
First, I don't remember commenting on the build quality of modern Mercedes products, read my comment again. Second, Lexus reliability is not caused by high build quality but rather on conservative engine tuning and lack of features. Don't even compare FWD TNGA-K cars with MRA Mercedes products, as Mark states; most elements were designed with cost in mind. For example, there is no question that an aluminum subframe and aluminum double wishbone suspension is superior to stamped steel counterparts but Lexus sticks with steel because its cheaper to produce and replace, creating a value proposition. Regarding speakers; My mother owns a Japanese production 2016 RX with Mark Levinson audio, the car rattles to its bones on the slightest hint of bass, heavy use of hard plastics on trim panels doesn't help. Lexus has nothing on likes of Genesis today, its lagging behind by a good margin. You won't have reliability issues when you use the same 3.5L NA V6 for 15 years but you won't be enjoying any innovation either. The point of my original comment was to point out how the Mercedes of old was offering innovation and quality along with reliability which Lexus does not match.
@@hockie655 This is revisionist history. Mercedes was never, ever exceptionally reliable, and never close to being as reliable as same-age Lexus LS, ES or RX cars. Durable? Some yes, some no. Reliable? Not as they aged. Pretending that Mercedes' tech advantage came without a reliability price is just that: pretending.
As a Toyota technician, I can honestly say the ES, and all other antiquated Toyotas/lexus’ built that way are some of the best cars on the road. Who gives a shit if it’s stamped steel underneath? It works, and it works for a long time- and when it breaks, it’s simple to repair. There is a huge rift between the types of vehicles mechanics own and appreciate, and the type “Enthusiasts” are drawn to. Few cars end up equally appreciated by both groups of people.
Well said. It's the ones who fix cars for a living that know what really matters. After many years wrenching on cars, I've found Acuras to be the perfect combo of luxury, comfort, and sportiness
Can’t agree more. Me and wife has been driving Lexuses for the last 20 years and wouldn’t buy anything else. We keep cars for 10 years and maintain them properly. Have had Mercedes and BMW when I was young and dumb. Would never buy German again, well may except a Porsche 911.
@@jml9550I was even dumber, buying a new mid-engine 1976 Fiat x1/9. Unfortunately, I can attest that the brand name does indeed stand for Fix it Again Tony. Now in my "bingo" years, I drive a 2005 Scion xB I bought new that has 245k miles on it. It's nearly as fun to drive, without the high maintenance costs and long downtime, and I've fewer speeding tickets, lol. If Jack is lucky to live long enough, he'll be a "bingo" player, too!
I have 301,253 miles on my ES330. It s flawless. Buttery smooth. Never had any issues. It rides like it’s on clouds. Heated and cooled seats still work. Every option works , power rear sunshade , etc everything. Amazing luxury car
I have a family member who just hit 250k miles in a 2007 ES350. She’s finally looking to replace it just because the seats are very worn. That’s why I’m watching this 😂 These cars are bulletproof. Respect to Toyota always.
There’s value to not having to leave your car at the dealer when it breaks under warranty, and make daily phone calls to the SA to inquire about the arrival of needed parts. Meanwhile your driving a backup vehicle. You could own just one car instead , this Lexus, and never need an Uber because it’s in the shop. And yes I also love the B58.
That is true - I'd be annoyed about buying a luxury car and it was in need of repair frequently - but I guess it can happen with most brands. You wouldn't really need an uber if you are under warranty, at least with a luxury brand. I don't mind some work sometimes if it drives real nice.
I'm curious, why only 1 car? I normally keep 4 new cars at a time. Sports car for the weekend, SUV for the wife and I, a spare smaller euro for times going into the city. Are you living in an apartment with no access to more parking spots?
@@dylan4972 90% of people that drive can only afford 1 car. Many more people cannot afford even a single car due to insurance, gas and maintenance payments on top of the car payment. That's the reality of the modern world. Even if you can afford a cheap old 90s corolla you are lucky when considering the entire picture.
@@xFlared I do understand this, and I understand I'm very fortunate. However the OP is saying they are going to buy a new Lexus so your answer doesn't really apply as they can afford more than an old corolla. However If you only have enough money for one Lexus then you should probably save your money and get an older car.
Mark nailed it! Some of us want a luxury car that just rides nice and smoothly, worry free from a reliability perspective,, has a powertrain that offers power on 87 octane, and isn't designed to burn rubber. Life is complicated and stressful enough and sometimes driving in your car is your only source of peace and quiet. Great review as always.
The last of this generation is such a sad thing to hear. There are a lot of journalists who harped on the ES because of the old infotainment, but I agree with Mark. There is a lot of value to the ES and people are going to miss it when it’s gone.
@@BassLegendYT IS350s just tend to hold their value very well - they hit about $30-35k and stay there for a while, until they start hitting the 100-150k mile point. Get one off-lease and enjoy keeping it for as long as you wish.
If Lexus marketing had a ton of humor, they would make a separate series specifically full of techy gadgetry and call it the "BS". They could even make a limited "savagegeese" edition of that.
Issue is you trade a little BS for constant mediocrity. And if you're that scared of maintenance, just avoid the premium segment lol. Think the struts, dampers, rotors, mounts, etc,... will be cheap on this Lexus? They all wear of eventually, especially on a fat ass car like this.
@@an-dr6eu mediocrity? In what way? What’s so mediocre about having an extremely nice luxury car that doesn’t break and isn’t overly complicated? And the items that you mentioned will wear out like any other car but major issues with the engine, transmission, and electronics are extremely unlikely.
This is a dream car for me and a standout in the market despite its age. The addition of the touch screen finally solved the touchpad issue for me and solidified this as a car I would want to buy and keep forever. Bulletproof, simple, and solid for many miles and many years to come.
Same here. My parents bought a new 2010 RX. I was 30 at the time and didn’t care much for it. They had it for 11 yrs, at which point it was 40 and used it for my daily commute. I didn’t care much for it initially, but then I got used to it and appreciated how easy it was to use and how peaceful the drive was.
Every once in a while we get to see a difference in perspectives between Mark and Jack that seem, at least to me, based on their age difference. The ES definitely seems to have brought this out. If you teleport the 2033 version of Jack back here and have him review this car again, I think the "lack of sportiness" would matter less to him and the reliability-focused engineering would matter more. Part of it would be due to the general change in priorities most of us experience as we get older, the rest based on the sphincter-stretching repair bills Jack paid over those 10 years to keep his BMWs and Audis running
right on spot, Chris. Actually I was like "hmm, 5 years ago I would definitely take 340i, but now I would rather accept lack of driving emotion for getting smooth and comfy drive"... wait, I'm getting older...
Indeed that’s why I don’t take most car reviewers on TH-cam seriously. They all jerk each other off about “sportiness” and 0 to 6 time which means nothing to most humans. Also TH-cam car review is a business not a philosophical class. Therefore they all have to say the same thing and in line with whatever the edgiest thought of the day is. It’s unfortunate really. The idea of someone below the age of 30, borrowing cars for his TH-cam channel, and complain about sporty drives and that take potentially being taken into consideration for car manufacturers is truly frightening.
Something to be said about experiencing an Audi/bmw type drive while you're young though...if you can afford it. Big if. I can afford it but I still can't stomach the thought of constant dealer trips, loaners, repairs, overpriced out of stock parts etc. But I still kind of want one.
@@chillpengeru Agree. If you take the flip side of Chris Freemesser's argument, "Teleport in a 10-years-younger version of Mark, and he'd put more weight on responsiveness and less on avoiding aggravation." And that's equally valid.
There was a time I was exactly like Jack. Now I am 20 years older and I have an ES. I want the comfort and quiet. I used laugh at the Lexus ES now I know what the ES is about. Perfect. No nonsense but Lexus is losing their demographic in the future.
But as a fellow rust belt denizen, did you notice the dabs of rust forming all over the suspension parts? This car is brand new, and already we see the inevitable corrosion rearing it's ugly head. Still, it is a nice looking car. I've even gotten used to the spindle grilles. The Lexus dealer experience will probably be top-notch as well. The Genesis products look like a good value, but you'll be dealing with a Hyundai dealer. Just say no thanks to that Elantra loaner.....if they even have loaners.
@@bobwilson3435 The next gen ES is guaranteed to get that rattly shitbox 4-banger turbo in the new RX and NX. This generation ES will be the last of its kind.
@@dougrobinson8602 I have a 2016 NX, in Ontario, barely a hint of rust on the underside. I just coat it once every fall with fluid film...solves the problems entirely. I have a vid on my channel showing the underside if you don't believe me :)
@@little123456788True. And the gen after that will be entirely EV. I highly doubt they will sell half as many cars with these unrealistic changes. The 4 banger turbo is awful, esp with those fake engine sounds.
I love this episode. Jack and Mark gave really good long term and short term points of views. There's no wrong or right answer, but we need this car to exist in the world. I hope Lexus and other manufacturers continue to make NA V6s with a traditional transmission because despite what's going on with the car industry with hybridization and electrification, there is still a market for people who want a car like this.
Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Other makers have already dropped out of offering this configuration in a midsize sedan, including Hyundai, Kia, Cadillac, Buick, Chevy, Lincoln and Ford. Toyota division just killed the Avalon, and in a year or two the ES will join the 300 and Charger as the last to die.
@@tonysterbenc the ES350 is an extremely popular Lexus, it’s probably going to get another generation. Avalon was discontinued because most people just went and bought the ES for a bit more money.
@@andybub45 Yes and no. The ES as a sedan in its current, non-Crown body style will definitely survive. But there's every appearance the non-turbo V6 will not.
You guys are overreacting a bit. This 300h hybrid drivetrain is just as reliable as their NA V6. Power delivery is similarly smooth too. Things have to change with fuel regulations, we just have to accept it sadly.
My parents got a ‘22 ES 350 UL thanks to the recommendation of at least one of you. I love the car. As I admittedly get closer to testing the expectations of actuary life tables, the ES is draws me closer like a moth to a flame, simplicity, reliability and comfort reign supreme over those long, straight drives. I still want my Miata and BMW for the fun stuff but there is definitely a space for what the ES does so well.
I love this car, so smooth and comfortable. The only car I've driven where I feel more relaxed after the drive than before. Best daily out there if you want dependability, low cost and luxury.
Thanks for the comment. There is a 2020 ES 350 F Sport for sale that I test drove yesterday and I really feel what your saying. It did make me feel better. I think I’m going to buy it. Except for it being a little slow and heavy feeling, it’s great. My current 2012 Honda Accord has no sound deadening. Everything is solid but cheap feeling.
I drive Dallas to Houston then back 2-3 times a month, I was about to buy or lease a new car (2022) but decided to go with a 2014 ES. After driving my gfs 2022 hybrid Corolla for a couple thousand miles as well, I can imagine a modern hybrid ES to put me to sleep behind the wheel in the first 15 minutes, some days that's exactly what I want, some days it's not, but ultimately I wouldn't feel anywhere near the level of safety and reliability in my car had I chosen the 2014 RWD c class or a BMW instead. And this interior with the physical controls feels (to me) much much more "classy" and beautiful compared to something full of fucking LEDs and screens and electronics.
I work 60-80 hours a week, I don't have "cars" on my list as Hobbys I enjoy. I like cars, like reading about them and watching videos like this, but if I'm being honest, I want my car working without much thought from me for very very long periods of time without action needed from me. This car gets me to work, is comfy, looks great, and doesn't bury all controls into an ipad. I'm 37, not an old man, don't play bingo, and I love it.
Congrats on going to HDR, guys! This video was STUNNING! In the interior walkthrough you could see every surface of every material so clearly. Love it!
I had a '96 ES 300. At the time my mechanic made the comment it was uncomplicated. After 10 years the only thing looking worn was the leather on the front seats. I still have a few years before transitioning from retirement to "the home" so this could be my swan song car.
Jack can make fun of this car all he wants, but the ES is one of my favorite cars. I’m 23 and have a 2002 ES300 with nearly 220k miles (I’ve put on about 50k since taking it from my dad). My favorite part is that it’s not complicated. It’s exactly what it says it is and I wouldn’t want it any other way. If I have the chance to buy a 2022 ES350 Ultra Luxury I absolutely would love to have it because it continues the same philosophy. It’s got a big screen with Apple CarPlay and lots of buttons, that’s all I want. I also want a GR86 but that’s a different story.
I'm with Mark on this one. I love the fun cars like Jack does and I have owned a few in the past. Now my wife and I are in our 50's with health issues and the fun cars won't cut it for us anymore. I'd gladly take an ES with the V6 and happily live with the luxury, smoothness, easy to use simplicity of this thing. I would not option the F Sport package though, to hell with that! :-)
Thank you for this video. It contains comments and observations that nobody else makes. Because of your work, I was able to make a good decision to buy a 2023 ES 350 Ultra luxury after I was screwed over by Genesis. I ordered my G80 in Jan 22. In August, Genesis said that they ordered the wrong configuration, which they no longer made, so I could accept the wrong car but pay an extra $13,000 OR reorder a 2023 G80 and wait another 6 months. Plan B was created by your video on the 22 ES. I went and ordered my 23 ES350 ultra the next day. Thank you. PS I received the new car last week and it is wonderful. I hear the call for "medication time" Cheers
Congrat's on the new UL ES 350! Definitely my next car for sure. When you ordered your ES did you order it from the manufacturer "had it built"? If so, how long did it take to receive it? Or did they grab one from another dealership in the country and deliver to you?
@@createdinHisimage1 It was factory built. Ordered Sept 14, arrived Jan 10. Rumor has it that 2024 ES cars are going to be built in Japan. The Kentucky plant is supposed to be building electric cars.
Idk man. when I sit in my '22 GTI I cant help but think I wished I had this "boring" interior which I don't think is boring at all. I love the real buttons and real knobs. Thanks guys!
Love Jack's approach to life and in a world where maybe you can or do only have 1 car, his German philosophy works. Been there done that. However, if you have a fun car already, which, I think he does? then go with this Lexus. It's exactly as described at the end, a 20+ yr reliable proven and very nice platform for a daily. It's exactly what it set out to be, a value in its class....especially if purchased a few years old. I really like them.
German philosophy is shit. If you can only have one car you should have the most reliable vehicle you can possible have within your price range. Fun? That comes and goes, its all chemicals in your brain, pointless bs. You work for MONEY why throw it down the drain? Money is time, so you effectively throw away your own life to upkeep bs german cars.
@@papa_pt Listen, folks, no matter what, you will feel different once you get to 60. Not so much 40, but 60? Yeah. We will feel and think according to the age we are. There's nothing wrong with acting your age.
@@josefernandez2722 agreed I generally want comfier cars as I get older. And to your point, that's why it's important to work out and stay in shape even as you age although we know the vast majority of people don't. So by the time they hit 70 Lexi are the only vehicles they are capable of turning the wheel of 😂 plenty of 60 and 70 year olds hooning it up in their Cobras
I totally understand the point Mark is making in this video. I used to have an office job when going home I just wanted to place the car in drive and drive home with the least noise and some comfort to relieve the stress of the day. In those situations, the sport suspension in BMW while fun on other days, was just a major distraction. This car and even more so the non f sport version would be perfect for those days where I just wanted to get home with the least amount of drama.
I’m with Mark on this. I love fun cars and have had a few BUT I’m a dad now and wanted something that runs on regular gas, gets 30+ mpg and is easy to operate. Running kids around everyday and having a busy career I enjoy my relaxed commute listening to the ML audio system and my car being my last worry. For a fun car, I can have a RC F or Vette for that but everyday nothing beats my ES
I looked at the ES 350 and the Avalon in 2020 - that trunk passthrough was the deal breaker. Nicer materials, sure but being able to still use 1 of the seats while lowering one of the seatbacks when transporting longer items is something I couldn't give up. I don't do it often but on the 2-3 times a year where the seatback gets lowered, having that extra capacity and ability to put something through the trunk into the cabin is crucial for my situation and where I live.
I agree. Would not like to give up the folding rear seats & passthru. 2018 Camry LE driver here. Also could not regress to an electric parking brake that will not work with a dead battery or no battery and that requires a scan tool and 12V battery to do the rear brakes (caliper piston retraction to clear new thicker pads).
@@shoersa Avalon has the same e-brake set-up...same thing with the Camry from the current generation. Its just going there now as mechanical seems to be going the way of the manuals
@@phlydude I agree, Dennis. For 30 years, the Camry and Avalon have had a fold-down rear seat, and the related Lexus ES has had an additional chassis brace instead. Rightly or wrongly, Lexus clearly believes rigidity is a higher priority than cargo versatility for buyers in this segment.
I love the point-counterpoint repartee between Jack and Mark. It's what makes the reviews and the presentation of your content so compelling. Mille gracie.
Not said you can not have fun. A low to the ground sedan will always combine comfort and driving dynamics better than any SUV. For the same body roll you must have a stiffer suspension in the SUV due to the higher center of mass. Simple physics.
As an owner of a 2018 ES350 daily driver, let me tell you, it really doesn't get better than the ES when it comes to bang for buck comfort and basics for an entry level luxury car.
Although my new daily is not the Lexus it is a 23 Camry. At 52 years old it's exactly what I want. Easy to use without having to read a manual for every single thing. Great ride and fuel economy. I own a 03 Nissan 350Z for fun days. The cost difference between the Lexus and Camry would have been enough to buy the Nissan. Great video as always.
I own a 2020 Camry XSE v6. I absolutely love it. It gives me a Lexus like experience and better tech for significantly less The ES upcharge is not worth it at all
@@ruffmadman well it doesn’t change that it’s still based off a Camry. Because yes it’s based off the Avalon. But the Avalon doesn’t ride on a unique platform. It rides on the Camrys platform as it always has. So whether or not the Avalon exists the ES will still be Camry based until it the ES rides on a bespoke premium platform as it should have been
I'm at that point in my life (50) where I agree with Mark. I work from home now and all I care about is a nice efficient quiet ride to take me to the golf course or grocery store. Someday the other guy will get it. I've driven enough 600 hp hotrods for excitement. One crash was enough to dial back my excitement of cars. To each their own. Enjoy!
I have owned 2 ES cars in my life among a ton or other luxury cars including BMW, Mercedes and Lexus and the ES has been by far my favorite ride, and that includes 6 Corvettes and 5 Miatas. Just a wonderful car for the money.
The smooth power delivery of v6 is a joy to ride. I have es 330 18 year old lexus. Still smooth after 150k and still give smooth power delivery. American roads are so strait. U dont need much handling as there are no corners
I agree, I got my 2005 Lexus ls430 a couple months ago and the v8 delivers power so smoothly and I don’t need handling at all on a highway that only goes one direction
I appreciate the differences of opinion here between Jack and Mark as it reflects how people, but men in particular, approach cars from an emotional and spiritual level. On a personal note, I love my 2008 Honda CRV as much as my 2011 V12 Maybach as both serve me well but in differing ways: And that's fine by me.
I don’t think Jack is old enough to get it. I have owned over 20 high end European cars. When we moved farther out of town, our MB S550 convertible just wasn’t going to cut it. We needed something to put a ton of miles on. The ES350 was the first car I thought of. We have had it for 6 months and 10k miles. It has been flawless. It is just an easy car to own. It doesn’t have the high end excitement but sometimes you just want to comfortably get around. It is super quiet and smooth.
I picked up a 2023 Lexus ES300H, I am loving it, previously only owned sports cars, I saved up for a Toyota Supra MK4 in my teens (was my dream car), then went on to a Toyota MR2 MK3, then a Honda Civic Type R FK8, I serviced them myself, changed the exhaust and headers to make them growl and gain high rpm power, I loved the heck out of all those cars. But now I have experienced another kind of driving pleasure in the form of the ES300H, I have never felt so relaxed while driving, I can enjoy the music in the serene cabin, bask in the light glinting through the double pane acoustic glass onto the tan leather interior casting a warm glow throughout the car, and the suspension! Bumps and rough road mean nothing to this car, I don't seem to even get mad at other drivers antics, I'm enjoying myself that much and cruising so chill, I honestly don't think I will be getting another sports car for the road/daily now that I have experienced this kind of driving. Sports cars are now relegated to the track for me, and this is what you want on the open road. I'm getting 48MPG cruising at my own pace, this is one of those cars that is actually more fun to drive slow and take in the ambience.
I have a 2022 ES350 UL and love it. Just the right amount of power, tons of space, easy to use controls, zero problems, and the sound system is amazing. I hope to drive it for at least a decade. I have had no regrets at all.
I made sure my mom got a 2020 ES300H because of your guys review. It is like driving in a time capsule. I want to get one myself because the car is that good.
I'm 21 y/o, and this gen ES350 will be my next car. I should probably be looking for something fun to drive, but I'm a monster that drives 37-40k miles a year, I just want quiet, comfort, and strong reliability. My 16 Optima has every feature I want in a car, but I want better build quality and something that won't have me wondering if my engine is gonna blow... again.
I’m sure the ES is a great choice. My family has had a 2002 Lexus RX 300 since 2006 and it’s been fantastic. It now needs some transmission work after all the abusive driving that it has endured, but it still runs just fine. It is now showing its age because of the lack tech and clunky transmission but honestly, I wouldn’t trade it for anything else.
@naveenthemachine I want something a bit better than the camry. The camry isn't much of an upgrade from my Optima. The v6 is very nice and I love the camry's two tone paint, but I prefer the optima's fastback styling, interior design, real leather and sound system. Plus build quality, ride quality and nvh isn't much better than my Optima. It's better, but not enough for me to buy one.
At your age, I wouldn’t worry about cars. You could invest the money saved by continuing to drive the Optima and be daily driving a Porsche 911 in your 30s… but I understand this is a difficult mindset to have at 21. Idk your situation but be careful not to make the classic mistake of investing most of your net worth in your daily driver in your 20s. Dream cars can be so easy to buy IF you’re frugal while you’re young
The ES has always been substantially elevated in terms of interior materials and equipment. It was styling that it didn’t distinguish itself enough from the camry and avalon.
I really like that you both don't just agree on everything all the time. There's real debate and differences in personality. Contention and debate is good, and I like how you both use it to review cars while remaining objective.
I’m 21 years old and have been driving my ES for 5 years and it’s my favorite car EVER it’s just fantastic. Old people know a thing or two about real luxury. And Lexus IS one of the last brands to really offer uncompromised luxury.
I think Mark is spot on there; Perhaps you don't want to buy a new car every couple of years, maybe you won't be in a position to afford a new car 3 years into the future, What you would rather want is a car that rides a lot better than a regular car but it won't break on every 20k miles and gives you 29 error codes every time you hook up the OBD reader. I think this is a perfect car for the right buyer.
For its intended market, I think the Lexus ES hits the target firmly. If you want to relatively hassle free car ownership experience while enjoying a pricier luxury product, Lexus is a good choice. Take my experience for example, I owned a IS300 for 19 years, the only issues I had were a busted alternator after around 15 years while resulted in a dead battery. Replaced both and finally sold it in 2022 back to the dealer for $5500. In 2021, I decided to flirt with a Mercedes GLE 450, just 2 years and about 6000 miles later, I've had 1 recall and the soft close feature on one of the doors refused to work; going to have to get it repaired and thankfully still under warranty. Is it a big deal? No. Is it a hassle that I have deal with? Yes.
Mark had a good point about the ES being the superior car for actual, real world driving. I don’t commute to work on a racetrack. The features which make an Audi S4 or M440i fun to drive also make ‘em miserable to live with in rush hour traffic. Zeus have mercy on you when the warranty expires. If you live someplace where the roads are cratered, flat, and clogged with traffic the ES is a better daily driver
At 34 with a young child and potentially a 2nd in the near future, I'd love an ES. My semi-realistic dream cars are a Miata or base Boxster, but in reality the potential for fun, top-down driving through the fields of Iowa are slim. I love the appeal of a safe, smooth ride for the kids in the future. Hopefully a CPO in a few years will be in the cards!
@@ninjamaster3453 we're sticking with two kids. No need for the extra space when we also have an SUV already. It would be a replacement for my currently 9 year old Fiesta.
@japanwatchconnection Having rented multiple Camrys and had multiple ES 350 loaner cars from the dealership, no, a Camry is not "the same crap" as an ES. The ES is noticeably quieter, for one thing, and has nicer materials.
@japanwatchconnection No, but the fact that the ES is noticeably quieter and has nicer materials DOES "negate the fact" that you said the two are "the same crap." Quit moving the goalposts and just admit you made a sloppy, inaccurate exaggeration to sound cool.
I own this exact trim and while I’m a little disappointed by the lower than expected fuel economy (35/36MPG combined) I love it. Looks great, interior has all I need and no gimmicks.
I have to agree with Mark here (of course). The most important part of luxury, in my opinion, is peace of mind. I’m over the sports cars now that I’ve aged and just want to get from a to b without any drama or BS.
@@naveenthemachine Agree. The Avalon was the bargain buy and even the Camry now. This ES might have the edge on resale for the grandkids who inherit it 😂
@@moloono1 the Camrys now a better buy than this. Because it still has a v6 and the interior isn’t really that much better in the ES. It’s not like we’re comparing a Camry to an lc500
@@moloono1 test drive both and see which one you like better, on paper the ES is much more luxurious and quiet but Camry’s cheaper price may lure you in to buying that
@@naveenthemachine Naveen, that's crap. Readers deserve to know you're a juvenile Camry owner who's posted essentially this same comment 100 times on other ES threads, plus other falsehoods like "Lexus is in financial trouble" and "Genesis is just as reliable." Stop it.
Thank you for an honest review! The ES350 V6 will most likely be my next car. I currently have an "04 Avalon with 259K miles original everything-no problems! Yes, it's not a Audi A4 or M540i, which are really engaging, but the ES is quiet, comfortable, seats 5-adults with baggage, and doest empty your wallet. For a second weekend-ca: -Corvette is the answer.
I have an F-sport version and I feel it rides much better than anything else I’ve been in. Except for my friends dads LS I rode in 10 years ago. It can feel slightly jittery on the Highway if there’s a lot of undulations but other than that it usually amazes me how it smothers potholes and bumps as if they were even there. Plus it looks wayyyyyyy better than the luxury trim which looks like a Japanese Buick
@@davc7819 I leave it on normal. If you put it in sport+ it does stiffen up noticeably but you won’t want to do that on the Highway bc it’ll get more jittery You create a custom mode too. I have mine set to have the ride in comfort but the steering and engine performance in sport+ To me that’s the best mix
I will be very surprised if the next generation will be as solid as this. Sadly, I believe Lexus is going the way of the others and heading towards disposable vehicles. I am very hopeful of being wrong. The NX and RX really concerned me.
I have a 2013 ES300h with 160k miles always maintained by dealer…. It is rock solid. Nothing ever EVER breaks. So smooth, quiet, fuel efficient (38mpg avg lifetime) and can get out of its own way with the battery torque shove. Highly recommend for those frugal long commuters that care about true comfort.
Bought a 2017 es300h that was gently used like 5,000 miles on it sticker was 54k, bought it after sitting stagnant at dealer for 11 months offered for 29k they took it, now it's got 117k been super reliable this is our 7th Lexus drive it 270 miles each way back and forth to our farm on the weekends on I80 in Iowa so it gets driven hard and all types of weather we average 36 mpg on interstate I run 80 to 85 on average, engine is little more noisy than I like but not bad, only wish is ours had the ML stereo basic Lexus radio is garbage but for a almost new car for 25k discount not gonna complain
Crazy thing about it is he knows it will break when the lease is up so your forever renting. I’m proud to say I’m going on ten years with my es and it’s the second best decision of my life. Not a single headache. Planned on keeping it for about 7 now I’m coming up on ten and it’s still actually feature wise relevant. Lexus for the win.
In Abu Dhabi, most of the taxis are Toyota Camry and most of the Uber cars are Lexus ES. If you are into sporty, good curb handling, and speed, then yes this car is not for you. However, if you had your share of the Germans and sporty vehicles in the past and now want a reliable daily commuter that is built like a tank and has luxury, quietness, and refined/elegance then this ES is your car. Someone might ask why not get a cheaper Camry and splurge on a ES? If you want cheap stuff but reliable then go for the Camry, if you want luxury and reliable then go for ES.
I love my ES350. Excellent sedan. I just wanted a car that can take me A to B and last a while. It is somewhat boring and I do fall asleep because of how smooth the ride is, but it's not slow or fast. Very simple, yet its a higher build quality when comparing it to other Japanese sedans
The Lexus ES appears to have undergone minimal revisions in recent years. It is not clear if any new technologies or features have been incorporated that distinguish it from competitors like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and Genesis. The interior also appears to have remained largely unchanged, with similar materials, screens, and gear knobs as previous models. The main distinctions seem to be the annual price increase and the model year change from 22 to 23. Given the lack of significant updates, it may be more cost-effective to consider purchasing a used 2019-2020 model instead of spending 60,000 dollars on a new 2023 model. Another option would be to wait for a full redesign of the ES to be made available.
In normal times, this would make a lot of sense (although the argument for the '22-23 is finally having a touchscreen to bypass the dreaded touchpad). But these cars depreciate so slowly, new may make more sense. And Mark's point about the "full redesign" is that it's going to be a 4, meaningfully worse in some of the ways that make this car worth considering.
@@tonysterbenc I understand and respect your viewpoint, but I personally don't find it convincing to buy a new ES because of its slow depreciation. Paying 60k for a minor change doesn't seem like a wise investment to me. Furthermore, there are so many other options available in the market at that price range. Additionally, based on the demographic of people who usually purchase ES, most of them intend to keep the car for a long-term, for at least 6-10 years, so I don't believe depreciation would be a significant concern for them. Also, apart from the addition of a touch screen, the 2023 model hasn't seen any major upgrades compared to the previous generation. Therefore, I still believe that it would be more cost-effective to buy a used ES and save a few thousands of dollars or explore alternative options around 60K. Thank you.
@@babogatae Hooni, thank you for the thoughtful and respectful tone of your reply. I think whatever makes sense for your situation and your wants is what you should do. I offered my thoughts only as someone who personally was recently in the same situation, and made two observations: 1) Many people were paying more than MSRP for USED cars when the new ones would have cost very little more, losing the certainty that a new car provides, only because they'd always heard the conventional wisdom that used is always the better buy; and 2) I might have bought a used GS rather than a new ES except that I found the touchpad so unusable that I viewed it as a deal breaker. If you see real savings on a used ES, it is an excellent used car bet, and if the touchpad bothers you less than it does me, it indeed should be no factor in your choice. Good luck in your shopping.
I wish Toyota/Lexus kept the dual info layout option they had with the previous system. Such a gigantic screen to only display only 1 type of information.
Yep. If you own a Toyo product with that interface, please contact Toyota through their website and let them know. The more people that complain the more likely they are to fix that mistake. I have a '22 ES300h with the old software so I can still have two things up there. The new UI can be updated with an over the air update, so if enough people complain maybe they will give that option in the future.
Lexus ES300h is a great car for someone who is looking for an efficient, reliable sedan. I was in the market last year to buy one. I tested ES300h and accord hybrid three times back to back. For someone who is considering value, I was not able to justify paying an extra 10-15k to buy ES300h. For me, accord hybrid was quieter, more fun to drive, and has cleaner interior than ES300h.
@@naveenthemachine Naveen, as usual for your many anti-Lexus trolling posts, your facts are wrong. The Charger, 300 and Maxima are still available as V6 sedans below the high-luxury class.
This to me is a car I dream of purchasing for my grandparents when I get a sizeable chunk of income. Despite their age, my grandfather still drives daily to church for service and chauffeurs my grandmother around. A car like this would feel perfect for them. Easy to use infotainment and HVAC controls even for not tech savvy people, a comfortable ride (to help my grandmother relax considering how aggressive my grandfather loves to drive), a luxurious interior, and a powertrain they probably never have to worry about taking care of on top of having good fuel economy. Just seems like a perfect way to repay them for helping me out all these years. Was originally looking into Mercedes C class or a BMW but it's just not as "perfect" as this car (German cars do have more prestige but feel like too much tech and complications)
I had a 2020 ES350 F-sport non-AVS and loved it. Definitely the spec to get. Looks so much better then the normal one inside and out and rides so incredibly well. The seats are the absolute best seat you will ever find in a car. Drove 6 hours to trade it in for an IS and could have driven another 6 easy.
@@MrMustangrick It wasn't exactly an enthusiast car. Just under steers everywhere. The new IS came out and Lexus fixed a lot of issues the last car had.
@@danielfield7986 Nice. I got a 2021 IS350 myself about a year and a half ago, mainly because, like you said, they fixed a lot of stuff that the old car needed fixed.
The hilarity that some (myself included) count Luxury now as a company taking the time to engineer nice looking and feeling knobs, buttons & switches instead of making EVERYTHING a screen. The touchscreen in a Chevy or Hyundai will FEEL the same as a touchscreen in an Audi or BMW. However, I can assure you the buttons & switches do not... PS no I'm not old or the "typical" demographic for this type of car (still under 30), but I really respect what Lexus is still doing with models like the ES. Siding with Mark on this one!
If only the back seats folded down 😔. It as my choice over the ‘17RX Cpo lux I ended up with. Btw did they remedy the timing chain cover leak, or is it just a patch job? It’s under warranty……
This is my car priority list: 1: dependability/reliability. (1.5 ease of maintenance as im a mechanic) 2: quiet comfortable ride. 3: good looking car, either inside or outside. 4: performance. I will give up any one of those priorities for the one above it. Untill the Germans start building their cars as sturdy, strongly, and properly as Toyota, i will never own any contemporary one. I will buy this Lexus as soon as i can exactly for the "old fashioned" style you described. I'll park it alongside my Lincoln Town Car and Cadilac Deville. Luxury cars to me, are big heavy and comfortable to ride. With plenty of bells & whistles to make my driving experience that much more pristine and prestigeous. NOT high performance. That's a sport car. Or a muscle car. I dont care for sport or muscle cars.
Ha! Thanks for the excellent overview guys. I'm with you all the way Mark! I love fun, sportier cars just like a lot of folks... but for a family car that drives smooth, has the latest tech and doesn't cost much to maintain, there's a heck of a lot to be said for the Lexus ES350h. The mix of luxury + 37MPG in the hybrid + smooth car you can drive for 10+ years? Heck yeah! Personally I own a 2013 GS450h with almost 100K miles. I keep up with the regular maintenance. That thing drives like a brand new car 10 years in.
As a regular person making an upper middle class income, if I’m going luxury there has to be value… a car that will last 10+ years, 200k miles, and isn’t prohibitively expensive to maintain and/or repaired. Love my ES.
Mark is on point here. I want reliable comfort that looks and feels great. I think the hybrid F sport is an oxymoron and so I went with a luxury trim on a low mileage used model ES350. I use Apple CarPlay, so the old infotainment touch pad isn’t a dealbreaker.
@@rosgoncharuk2403The days of reliability and quality are gone. Every new car you will sit in has some interior rattles and little insulation no matter the price tag. Many engine parts are now made from cheap plastics. They want us to own nothing and be happy. Constantly changing cars and taking more loans from the bank.
@@naveenthemachine DC/DC converter, suspension, and a new sunroof. The car had 136.000 miles when i bought it. They most likely dumped the car since they believed the battery was destroyed, when it was the DC/DC converter. A new battery cost $8000.
I think that in about 30 years when Jack is Mark's age, he'll probably then begin to appreciate the type of car that will help you navigate to Death's door so serenely and reliably.
Got mine in mid-april. . It's the Ultra Luxury trim, which is what we wanted and is the highest trim for the ES hybrid. It is the Cloudburst Gray exterior with Acorn color semi-aniline leather interior. Total Installed Packages & Accessories: 1) Premium Triple-beam LED headlamps; 2) Smartacess Card Key; 3) Premium Paint; 4) Lexus Interface with 12.3-in Multimedia Touchscreen Display; 5) Ultra Luxury Package; 6) All weather floor liners and trunk mat; 7) Door edge film by 3M; 8) The Preferred Accessory Package; and 9) The Dealer added a 5-year windshield protection/replacement coverage package and tinted the driver and passenger windows. More: The three-projector design creates an eye-catching L shape. Adding to this brilliant design, the headlamps feature LED side turn signals, as well as an Adaptive Front Lighting System6 that uses steering and speed sensors to direct the angle of low-beam illumination as the vehicle enters a curve. The Adaptive Front Lighting System monitors steering and speed with a suite of sensors and will automatically adjust the angle of your low-beam headlights to improve visibility on curved roads. Ultra Luxury extras: 1) 18-inch split-five-spoke alloy noise-reduction wheels 2) Power rear sunshade with manual rear-door sunshades 3) Power open/close trunk with kick sensor 4) 12.3-inch multimedia touchscreen display 10.2-inch Head-Up Display 5) Intuitive Parking Assist with Auto Braking and Rear Pedestrian Detection, and Panoramic View Monitor. Averaging 43+ MPG City/Hwy driving and I had the oil and filter changed at 1,000 miles for my own peace of mind. Just For Reference: I was not going to wait one-year or 10,000 miles to have the factory installed oil & filter changed. And, I shall be changing the Oil (Liqui Moly 0W-16 Spec V) and Toyota filter every 5,000 miles from now on. Like Scotty Kilmer says, oil & filters are cheap, engines are expensive. LOL 😎
Congrats on your new car. When I return home to Canada down the line, this is at the top of the list. I want a quiet luxury ride over "sporty" any day - and the money you save with Lexus - you can probably get a Miata RF for Sporty and still be under what you pay for a BMW and the repair bills for said BMW. Better luxury with the Lexus and way more "sporty" with a Miata.
@@austenrichardgeorge842 GLTU! Better hurry because Toyota will shut down production of the ES in the US soon and return product back to Japan, which will make it harder and more expensive (Import Duties) to buy one IMO.
@@randy74989Kirk on the Lexus/Toyota channel said you have 4 months left to order a 2024 model before they close the books on the Camry. So I'd imagine the end is the same because they are in the same plant.
Watching this on my iPad Pro 12.9” (5th generation) and got absolutely FLASHBANGED by that intro… I’ll see you guys in court! Well I won’t see you because my eyes…
That was to recalibrate your brain. Your code has changed. You will be ordering a Dozen ES TODAY!!!
@@savagegeese _"THERE IS ONE LIGHT!!!"_ - blind Picard
Not sure which comment im reacting to but im completely blind sided
This man needs the next review in braille
This man needs Camille Vasquez.
I'm with Mark on this one. This is as close as you get in a modern car to an 80s Mercedes, drive it forever, type of vehicle. An "old money" car that you can hold onto for a while.
Had to get rid of my 1996 toyota avalon in 2021 so you could drive this for AT LEAST 25 years!
Not really, 80’s and early 90’s Mercedes’ were packed with innovation and were mechanically pretty much unmatched. They were as complex as they were reliable. ES neither brings any innovation to the table nor is built to a higher standard than its rivals.
@austindavis1045 Absolutely! Mercedes since 2000 has had more recalls and faults than any other carmaker.Trading on a past reputation for quality, durability and reliability that no longer exists. Like most German makes use too much plastic crap and built to a price rather than quality you lease and don't want to own out of warranty.
First, I don't remember commenting on the build quality of modern Mercedes products, read my comment again. Second, Lexus reliability is not caused by high build quality but rather on conservative engine tuning and lack of features. Don't even compare FWD TNGA-K cars with MRA Mercedes products, as Mark states; most elements were designed with cost in mind. For example, there is no question that an aluminum subframe and aluminum double wishbone suspension is superior to stamped steel counterparts but Lexus sticks with steel because its cheaper to produce and replace, creating a value proposition. Regarding speakers; My mother owns a Japanese production 2016 RX with Mark Levinson audio, the car rattles to its bones on the slightest hint of bass, heavy use of hard plastics on trim panels doesn't help. Lexus has nothing on likes of Genesis today, its lagging behind by a good margin. You won't have reliability issues when you use the same 3.5L NA V6 for 15 years but you won't be enjoying any innovation either. The point of my original comment was to point out how the Mercedes of old was offering innovation and quality along with reliability which Lexus does not match.
@@hockie655 This is revisionist history. Mercedes was never, ever exceptionally reliable, and never close to being as reliable as same-age Lexus LS, ES or RX cars. Durable? Some yes, some no. Reliable? Not as they aged. Pretending that Mercedes' tech advantage came without a reliability price is just that: pretending.
As a Toyota technician, I can honestly say the ES, and all other antiquated Toyotas/lexus’ built that way are some of the best cars on the road. Who gives a shit if it’s stamped steel underneath? It works, and it works for a long time- and when it breaks, it’s simple to repair. There is a huge rift between the types of vehicles mechanics own and appreciate, and the type “Enthusiasts” are drawn to. Few cars end up equally appreciated by both groups of people.
Well said. It's the ones who fix cars for a living that know what really matters. After many years wrenching on cars, I've found Acuras to be the perfect combo of luxury, comfort, and sportiness
Can’t agree more. Me and wife has been driving Lexuses for the last 20 years and wouldn’t buy anything else. We keep cars for 10 years and maintain them properly. Have had Mercedes and BMW when I was young and dumb. Would never buy German again, well may except a Porsche 911.
I will go with the Grease Monkey guys.
if anything, steel is a better material at absorbing NVH than aluminium, i though the engineer guy would know
@@jml9550I was even dumber, buying a new mid-engine 1976 Fiat x1/9. Unfortunately, I can attest that the brand name does indeed stand for Fix it Again Tony. Now in my "bingo" years, I drive a 2005 Scion xB I bought new that has 245k miles on it. It's nearly as fun to drive, without the high maintenance costs and long downtime, and I've fewer speeding tickets, lol. If Jack is lucky to live long enough, he'll be a "bingo" player, too!
I have 301,253 miles on my ES330. It s flawless. Buttery smooth. Never had any issues. It rides like it’s on clouds. Heated and cooled seats still work. Every option works , power rear sunshade , etc everything. Amazing luxury car
What year is it?
I just got an ES330 in December w 124K. Hope to baby it and run it forever like yours!
I have a family member who just hit 250k miles in a 2007 ES350. She’s finally looking to replace it just because the seats are very worn. That’s why I’m watching this 😂
These cars are bulletproof. Respect to Toyota always.
@@jadehendrixamazing decision, you will not regret it. You’ll get a minimum of 100k miles out of it without any issues.
Is not a luxury car though. :)
There’s value to not having to leave your car at the dealer when it breaks under warranty, and make daily phone calls to the SA to inquire about the arrival of needed parts. Meanwhile your driving a backup vehicle. You could own just one car instead , this Lexus, and never need an Uber because it’s in the shop. And yes I also love the B58.
I too am an enjoyabilityer of the B58 🗿
That is true - I'd be annoyed about buying a luxury car and it was in need of repair frequently - but I guess it can happen with most brands. You wouldn't really need an uber if you are under warranty, at least with a luxury brand. I don't mind some work sometimes if it drives real nice.
I'm curious, why only 1 car? I normally keep 4 new cars at a time. Sports car for the weekend, SUV for the wife and I, a spare smaller euro for times going into the city. Are you living in an apartment with no access to more parking spots?
@@dylan4972 90% of people that drive can only afford 1 car. Many more people cannot afford even a single car due to insurance, gas and maintenance payments on top of the car payment. That's the reality of the modern world. Even if you can afford a cheap old 90s corolla you are lucky when considering the entire picture.
@@xFlared I do understand this, and I understand I'm very fortunate. However the OP is saying they are going to buy a new Lexus so your answer doesn't really apply as they can afford more than an old corolla. However If you only have enough money for one Lexus then you should probably save your money and get an older car.
Mark nailed it! Some of us want a luxury car that just rides nice and smoothly, worry free from a reliability perspective,, has a powertrain that offers power on 87 octane, and isn't designed to burn rubber. Life is complicated and stressful enough and sometimes driving in your car is your only source of peace and quiet. Great review as always.
Well said
The last of this generation is such a sad thing to hear. There are a lot of journalists who harped on the ES because of the old infotainment, but I agree with Mark. There is a lot of value to the ES and people are going to miss it when it’s gone.
I think at some point Toyota or Lexus models w the 3.5L v6 may become a collectors item
@@naveenthemachine yeah when this generation is said and done, that V6 is going down in history as one of the best engines ever made.
@@kelvinangeles361 agreed. The 3.5 is just amazing. It’s so quiet and peaceful and the power delivery is buttery smooth
@@naveenthemachine i agree trying to get the old is350 and there already overpriced
@@BassLegendYT IS350s just tend to hold their value very well - they hit about $30-35k and stay there for a while, until they start hitting the 100-150k mile point. Get one off-lease and enjoy keeping it for as long as you wish.
i’m with mark on this one. Sometimes is just nice to not have BS and have a cruiser.
If Lexus marketing had a ton of humor, they would make a separate series specifically full of techy gadgetry and call it the "BS".
They could even make a limited "savagegeese" edition of that.
Issue is you trade a little BS for constant mediocrity. And if you're that scared of maintenance, just avoid the premium segment lol. Think the struts, dampers, rotors, mounts, etc,... will be cheap on this Lexus? They all wear of eventually, especially on a fat ass car like this.
@@an-dr6eu mediocrity? In what way? What’s so mediocre about having an extremely nice luxury car that doesn’t break and isn’t overly complicated? And the items that you mentioned will wear out like any other car but major issues with the engine, transmission, and electronics are extremely unlikely.
@@andybub45 I agree I went and sat in a fully loaded one, and I at no point felt mediocre lol.
This is a dream car for me and a standout in the market despite its age. The addition of the touch screen finally solved the touchpad issue for me and solidified this as a car I would want to buy and keep forever. Bulletproof, simple, and solid for many miles and many years to come.
You should drive it, it's really boring to death, oh my god, i got it as a loander and even IS is 1000x more fun which is not fun
Your dream car? Really? Sad.
lol get a GS you'll be way more happy with it
@@princeplotena Prince a have a GS F V8 performance. It is incredible.
@@princeplotena Not that different. RWD platform, yes, but still asinine as fuck.
I'm older now (30) and i appreciate comfort and reliability. 10 years of owning German cars made me buy the ES.
Same here. My parents bought a new 2010 RX. I was 30 at the time and didn’t care much for it. They had it for 11 yrs, at which point it was 40 and used it for my daily commute. I didn’t care much for it initially, but then I got used to it and appreciated how easy it was to use and how peaceful the drive was.
Every once in a while we get to see a difference in perspectives between Mark and Jack that seem, at least to me, based on their age difference. The ES definitely seems to have brought this out. If you teleport the 2033 version of Jack back here and have him review this car again, I think the "lack of sportiness" would matter less to him and the reliability-focused engineering would matter more. Part of it would be due to the general change in priorities most of us experience as we get older, the rest based on the sphincter-stretching repair bills Jack paid over those 10 years to keep his BMWs and Audis running
right on spot, Chris. Actually I was like "hmm, 5 years ago I would definitely take 340i, but now I would rather accept lack of driving emotion for getting smooth and comfy drive"... wait, I'm getting older...
Indeed that’s why I don’t take most car reviewers on TH-cam seriously. They all jerk each other off about “sportiness” and 0 to 6 time which means nothing to most humans. Also TH-cam car review is a business not a philosophical class. Therefore they all have to say the same thing and in line with whatever the edgiest thought of the day is. It’s unfortunate really. The idea of someone below the age of 30, borrowing cars for his TH-cam channel, and complain about sporty drives and that take potentially being taken into consideration for car manufacturers is truly frightening.
Something to be said about experiencing an Audi/bmw type drive while you're young though...if you can afford it. Big if. I can afford it but I still can't stomach the thought of constant dealer trips, loaners, repairs, overpriced out of stock parts etc. But I still kind of want one.
@@chillpengeru Agree. If you take the flip side of Chris Freemesser's argument, "Teleport in a 10-years-younger version of Mark, and he'd put more weight on responsiveness and less on avoiding aggravation." And that's equally valid.
There was a time I was exactly like Jack. Now I am 20 years older and I have an ES. I want the comfort and quiet. I used laugh at the Lexus ES now I know what the ES is about. Perfect. No nonsense but Lexus is losing their demographic in the future.
Living in a rust-belt state where the crumbling roads force everyone into trucks, I understand and respect the couch like qualities of the ES.
But as a fellow rust belt denizen, did you notice the dabs of rust forming all over the suspension parts? This car is brand new, and already we see the inevitable corrosion rearing it's ugly head. Still, it is a nice looking car. I've even gotten used to the spindle grilles. The Lexus dealer experience will probably be top-notch as well. The Genesis products look like a good value, but you'll be dealing with a Hyundai dealer. Just say no thanks to that Elantra loaner.....if they even have loaners.
I hope they save v6 engine at least top of the line model
@@bobwilson3435 The next gen ES is guaranteed to get that rattly shitbox 4-banger turbo in the new RX and NX. This generation ES will be the last of its kind.
@@dougrobinson8602 I have a 2016 NX, in Ontario, barely a hint of rust on the underside. I just coat it once every fall with fluid film...solves the problems entirely. I have a vid on my channel showing the underside if you don't believe me :)
@@little123456788True. And the gen after that will be entirely EV. I highly doubt they will sell half as many cars with these unrealistic changes. The 4 banger turbo is awful, esp with those fake engine sounds.
I love this episode. Jack and Mark gave really good long term and short term points of views. There's no wrong or right answer, but we need this car to exist in the world. I hope Lexus and other manufacturers continue to make NA V6s with a traditional transmission because despite what's going on with the car industry with hybridization and electrification, there is still a market for people who want a car like this.
Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. Other makers have already dropped out of offering this configuration in a midsize sedan, including Hyundai, Kia, Cadillac, Buick, Chevy, Lincoln and Ford. Toyota division just killed the Avalon, and in a year or two the ES will join the 300 and Charger as the last to die.
@@tonysterbenc the ES350 is an extremely popular Lexus, it’s probably going to get another generation. Avalon was discontinued because most people just went and bought the ES for a bit more money.
@@andybub45 Yes and no. The ES as a sedan in its current, non-Crown body style will definitely survive. But there's every appearance the non-turbo V6 will not.
You guys are overreacting a bit. This 300h hybrid drivetrain is just as reliable as their NA V6. Power delivery is similarly smooth too. Things have to change with fuel regulations, we just have to accept it sadly.
My parents got a ‘22 ES 350 UL thanks to the recommendation of at least one of you. I love the car. As I admittedly get closer to testing the expectations of actuary life tables, the ES is draws me closer like a moth to a flame, simplicity, reliability and comfort reign supreme over those long, straight drives. I still want my Miata and BMW for the fun stuff but there is definitely a space for what the ES does so well.
You never experienced true comfort if your fine with the ES' offering
@@an-dr6eu Huh?
I love this car, so smooth and comfortable. The only car I've driven where I feel more relaxed after the drive than before. Best daily out there if you want dependability, low cost and luxury.
Thanks for the comment. There is a 2020 ES 350 F Sport for sale that I test drove yesterday and I really feel what your saying. It did make me feel better. I think I’m going to buy it. Except for it being a little slow and heavy feeling, it’s great. My current 2012 Honda Accord has no sound deadening. Everything is solid but cheap feeling.
I drive Dallas to Houston then back 2-3 times a month, I was about to buy or lease a new car (2022) but decided to go with a 2014 ES. After driving my gfs 2022 hybrid Corolla for a couple thousand miles as well, I can imagine a modern hybrid ES to put me to sleep behind the wheel in the first 15 minutes, some days that's exactly what I want, some days it's not, but ultimately I wouldn't feel anywhere near the level of safety and reliability in my car had I chosen the 2014 RWD c class or a BMW instead.
And this interior with the physical controls feels (to me) much much more "classy" and beautiful compared to something full of fucking LEDs and screens and electronics.
fucking LEDSs lmfaooooooo
I hear ya, I hate the stupid RGB lighting in cars, it ain't a gaming pc !
I work 60-80 hours a week, I don't have "cars" on my list as Hobbys I enjoy. I like cars, like reading about them and watching videos like this, but if I'm being honest, I want my car working without much thought from me for very very long periods of time without action needed from me. This car gets me to work, is comfy, looks great, and doesn't bury all controls into an ipad. I'm 37, not an old man, don't play bingo, and I love it.
31 and same
Congrats on going to HDR, guys! This video was STUNNING! In the interior walkthrough you could see every surface of every material so clearly. Love it!
It is still very much a work in progress.
I had a '96 ES 300. At the time my mechanic made the comment it was uncomplicated. After 10 years the only thing looking worn was the leather on the front seats. I still have a few years before transitioning from retirement to "the home" so this could be my swan song car.
Jack can make fun of this car all he wants, but the ES is one of my favorite cars. I’m 23 and have a 2002 ES300 with nearly 220k miles (I’ve put on about 50k since taking it from my dad). My favorite part is that it’s not complicated. It’s exactly what it says it is and I wouldn’t want it any other way. If I have the chance to buy a 2022 ES350 Ultra Luxury I absolutely would love to have it because it continues the same philosophy. It’s got a big screen with Apple CarPlay and lots of buttons, that’s all I want. I also want a GR86 but that’s a different story.
GR86 and ES350 would be a great 2 car solution.
These cars bring out the best in Mark & Jack. Never cease.
I'm with Mark on this one. I love the fun cars like Jack does and I have owned a few in the past. Now my wife and I are in our 50's with health issues and the fun cars won't cut it for us anymore. I'd gladly take an ES with the V6 and happily live with the luxury, smoothness, easy to use simplicity of this thing. I would not option the F Sport package though, to hell with that! :-)
Wish you all good heath!
Thank you for this video. It contains comments and observations that nobody else makes. Because of your work, I was able to make a good decision to buy a 2023 ES 350 Ultra luxury after I was screwed over by Genesis. I ordered my G80 in Jan 22. In August, Genesis said that they ordered the wrong configuration, which they no longer made, so I could accept the wrong car but pay an extra $13,000 OR reorder a 2023 G80 and wait another 6 months.
Plan B was created by your video on the 22 ES. I went and ordered my 23 ES350 ultra the next day. Thank you.
PS I received the new car last week and it is wonderful.
I hear the call for "medication time"
Cheers
They shot themselves in the foot by dropping trim levels on the G80.
You dodged a bullet there. Congrats on your new ES!!
Congrat's on the new UL ES 350! Definitely my next car for sure. When you ordered your ES did you order it from the manufacturer "had it built"? If so, how long did it take to receive it? Or did they grab one from another dealership in the country and deliver to you?
@@createdinHisimage1 It was factory built. Ordered Sept 14, arrived Jan 10. Rumor has it that 2024 ES cars are going to be built in Japan. The Kentucky plant is supposed to be building electric cars.
@@PersimmonAlan That's not a bad wait time at all. Congrat's again and enjoy!
Idk man. when I sit in my '22 GTI I cant help but think I wished I had this "boring" interior which I don't think is boring at all. I love the real buttons and real knobs. Thanks guys!
Love Jack's approach to life and in a world where maybe you can or do only have 1 car, his German philosophy works. Been there done that. However, if you have a fun car already, which, I think he does? then go with this Lexus. It's exactly as described at the end, a 20+ yr reliable proven and very nice platform for a daily. It's exactly what it set out to be, a value in its class....especially if purchased a few years old. I really like them.
German philosophy is shit. If you can only have one car you should have the most reliable vehicle you can possible have within your price range. Fun? That comes and goes, its all chemicals in your brain, pointless bs. You work for MONEY why throw it down the drain? Money is time, so you effectively throw away your own life to upkeep bs german cars.
Great point about only vs second vehicle. If this were my only car I'd just be waiting for death like Jack said lol.
@@papa_pt Listen, folks, no matter what, you will feel different once you get to 60. Not so much 40, but 60? Yeah. We will feel and think according to the age we are. There's nothing wrong with acting your age.
@@josefernandez2722 agreed I generally want comfier cars as I get older.
And to your point, that's why it's important to work out and stay in shape even as you age although we know the vast majority of people don't. So by the time they hit 70 Lexi are the only vehicles they are capable of turning the wheel of 😂 plenty of 60 and 70 year olds hooning it up in their Cobras
@@papa_pt lol. That is true. Very very funny
I totally understand the point Mark is making in this video. I used to have an office job when going home I just wanted to place the car in drive and drive home with the least noise and some comfort to relieve the stress of the day. In those situations, the sport suspension in BMW while fun on other days, was just a major distraction. This car and even more so the non f sport version would be perfect for those days where I just wanted to get home with the least amount of drama.
I bought an ES because of you, Mark.
I’m with Mark on this. I love fun cars and have had a few BUT I’m a dad now and wanted something that runs on regular gas, gets 30+ mpg and is easy to operate. Running kids around everyday and having a busy career I enjoy my relaxed commute listening to the ML audio system and my car being my last worry. For a fun car, I can have a RC F or Vette for that but everyday nothing beats my ES
I looked at the ES 350 and the Avalon in 2020 - that trunk passthrough was the deal breaker. Nicer materials, sure but being able to still use 1 of the seats while lowering one of the seatbacks when transporting longer items is something I couldn't give up. I don't do it often but on the 2-3 times a year where the seatback gets lowered, having that extra capacity and ability to put something through the trunk into the cabin is crucial for my situation and where I live.
I agree. Would not like to give up the folding rear seats & passthru. 2018 Camry LE driver here. Also could not regress to an electric parking brake that will not work with a dead battery or no battery and that requires a scan tool and 12V battery to do the rear brakes (caliper piston retraction to clear new thicker pads).
Is it really that hard to make fold down seats? It seems every other car it idk why Lexus couldn't
@@rm0234 I suspect it had to do with cabin noise and vehicle rigidity more than functionality
@@shoersa Avalon has the same e-brake set-up...same thing with the Camry from the current generation. Its just going there now as mechanical seems to be going the way of the manuals
@@phlydude I agree, Dennis. For 30 years, the Camry and Avalon have had a fold-down rear seat, and the related Lexus ES has had an additional chassis brace instead. Rightly or wrongly, Lexus clearly believes rigidity is a higher priority than cargo versatility for buyers in this segment.
I love the point-counterpoint repartee between Jack and Mark. It's what makes the reviews and the presentation of your content so compelling. Mille gracie.
I'm 100% with Mark on this. What I value in cars is comfort and quiet. I don't care about having fun while driving really.
Not said you can not have fun. A low to the ground sedan will always combine comfort and driving dynamics better than any SUV. For the same body roll you must have a stiffer suspension in the SUV due to the higher center of mass. Simple physics.
@@dukesim6088 totally agreed. They’re not mutually exclusive. It’s just not my priority when buying a car which is why the ES appeals to me so much.
Mark perfectly understands the mission of the ES. Jack is just a callow YUTE!😅
As an owner of a 2018 ES350 daily driver, let me tell you, it really doesn't get better than the ES when it comes to bang for buck comfort and basics for an entry level luxury car.
Although my new daily is not the Lexus it is a 23 Camry. At 52 years old it's exactly what I want. Easy to use without having to read a manual for every single thing. Great ride and fuel economy. I own a 03 Nissan 350Z for fun days. The cost difference between the Lexus and Camry would have been enough to buy the Nissan. Great video as always.
I own a 2020 Camry XSE v6. I absolutely love it. It gives me a Lexus like experience and better tech for significantly less
The ES upcharge is not worth it at all
I own a 1999 Toyota rav4, best car I have owned
Fellow 350z owner respect 🙏🏼
@@ruffmadman well it doesn’t change that it’s still based off a Camry. Because yes it’s based off the Avalon. But the Avalon doesn’t ride on a unique platform. It rides on the Camrys platform as it always has. So whether or not the Avalon exists the ES will still be Camry based until it the ES rides on a bespoke premium platform as it should have been
No way! I'm 52 and have a Lexus LX and an 03 Nissan 350z.... great combo of serenity and fun!
I'm at that point in my life (50) where I agree with Mark. I work from home now and all I care about is a nice efficient quiet ride to take me to the golf course or grocery store. Someday the other guy will get it. I've driven enough 600 hp hotrods for excitement. One crash was enough to dial back my excitement of cars. To each their own. Enjoy!
Enthusiasm is not always about the sporty stiff thing. There’s enjoyment in driving something well put together, comfortable and competent.
I have owned 2 ES cars in my life among a ton or other luxury cars including BMW, Mercedes and Lexus and the ES has been by far my favorite ride, and that includes 6 Corvettes and 5 Miatas. Just a wonderful car for the money.
🤔That's interesting. Have you ridden on an air/dynamic suspension on a German exec? Those are hard to beat, unless you are talking Rolls
The smooth power delivery of v6 is a joy to ride. I have es 330 18 year old lexus. Still smooth after 150k and still give smooth power delivery. American roads are so strait. U dont need much handling as there are no corners
I agree, I got my 2005 Lexus ls430 a couple months ago and the v8 delivers power so smoothly and I don’t need handling at all on a highway that only goes one direction
@@japanwatchconnection Stay as classy and respectful as you are.
I appreciate the differences of opinion here between Jack and Mark as it reflects how people, but men in particular, approach cars from an emotional and spiritual level. On a personal note, I love my 2008 Honda CRV as much as my 2011 V12 Maybach as both serve me well but in differing ways: And that's fine by me.
Jack, the eternal teenager.
While Mark knows people mature.
I don’t think Jack is old enough to get it. I have owned over 20 high end European cars. When we moved farther out of town, our MB S550 convertible just wasn’t going to cut it. We needed something to put a ton of miles on. The ES350 was the first car I thought of. We have had it for 6 months and 10k miles. It has been flawless. It is just an easy car to own. It doesn’t have the high end excitement but sometimes you just want to comfortably get around. It is super quiet and smooth.
I'm old and own an ES, and I don't think Jack is wrong. Mark isn't, either. That's what makes this a really informative video.
I just ordered a red 2023 ES300h elegance for me as a company car. Can't express how much I am looking forward to it.
I picked up a 2023 Lexus ES300H, I am loving it, previously only owned sports cars, I saved up for a Toyota Supra MK4 in my teens (was my dream car), then went on to a Toyota MR2 MK3, then a Honda Civic Type R FK8, I serviced them myself, changed the exhaust and headers to make them growl and gain high rpm power, I loved the heck out of all those cars. But now I have experienced another kind of driving pleasure in the form of the ES300H, I have never felt so relaxed while driving, I can enjoy the music in the serene cabin, bask in the light glinting through the double pane acoustic glass onto the tan leather interior casting a warm glow throughout the car, and the suspension! Bumps and rough road mean nothing to this car, I don't seem to even get mad at other drivers antics, I'm enjoying myself that much and cruising so chill, I honestly don't think I will be getting another sports car for the road/daily now that I have experienced this kind of driving. Sports cars are now relegated to the track for me, and this is what you want on the open road. I'm getting 48MPG cruising at my own pace, this is one of those cars that is actually more fun to drive slow and take in the ambience.
I have a 2022 ES350 UL and love it. Just the right amount of power, tons of space, easy to use controls, zero problems, and the sound system is amazing. I hope to drive it for at least a decade. I have had no regrets at all.
Did you get the V6 or Hybrid?
What gas mileage are you averaging?
Hope you got the Mark Levinson stereo.
@@nostradamus7648 The ES 350 is the V6. The hybrid is called the ES 300h.
Our 2005 ES330 is still going strong, i wish more cars were built to this standard.
I feel the same about my 2004 TL.
I made sure my mom got a 2020 ES300H because of your guys review. It is like driving in a time capsule. I want to get one myself because the car is that good.
9:22 I like that you llisten to quality music while you drive.
Thank you for making this video, I own one 2023 es350 base model, and I will continue to own it for 20 years, thank you again
One video... We can't go ONE VIDEO without the B58 coming up
I'm 21 y/o, and this gen ES350 will be my next car. I should probably be looking for something fun to drive, but I'm a monster that drives 37-40k miles a year, I just want quiet, comfort, and strong reliability. My 16 Optima has every feature I want in a car, but I want better build quality and something that won't have me wondering if my engine is gonna blow... again.
I’m sure the ES is a great choice. My family has had a 2002 Lexus RX 300 since 2006 and it’s been fantastic. It now needs some transmission work after all the abusive driving that it has endured, but it still runs just fine. It is now showing its age because of the lack tech and clunky transmission but honestly, I wouldn’t trade it for anything else.
Why not just get a camry w the v6 in a high end trim?
@naveenthemachine I want something a bit better than the camry. The camry isn't much of an upgrade from my Optima. The v6 is very nice and I love the camry's two tone paint, but I prefer the optima's fastback styling, interior design, real leather and sound system. Plus build quality, ride quality and nvh isn't much better than my Optima. It's better, but not enough for me to buy one.
If you are not a big dude the IS350 AWD will be much more fun while still comfortable.
At your age, I wouldn’t worry about cars. You could invest the money saved by continuing to drive the Optima and be daily driving a Porsche 911 in your 30s… but I understand this is a difficult mindset to have at 21. Idk your situation but be careful not to make the classic mistake of investing most of your net worth in your daily driver in your 20s. Dream cars can be so easy to buy IF you’re frugal while you’re young
The ES has always been substantially elevated in terms of interior materials and equipment. It was styling that it didn’t distinguish itself enough from the camry and avalon.
This is my dream car and what a coincidence this literally a first time a watch A REVIEW of anything in 4k HDR. Thank you very much!
I really like that you both don't just agree on everything all the time. There's real debate and differences in personality. Contention and debate is good, and I like how you both use it to review cars while remaining objective.
I’m 21 years old and have been driving my ES for 5 years and it’s my favorite car EVER it’s just fantastic. Old people know a thing or two about real luxury. And Lexus IS one of the last brands to really offer uncompromised luxury.
My 08 ES still going strong at 170k
My favorite generation
I think Mark is spot on there;
Perhaps you don't want to buy a new car every couple of years, maybe you won't be in a position to afford a new car 3 years into the future,
What you would rather want is a car that rides a lot better than a regular car but it won't break on every 20k miles and gives you 29 error codes every time you hook up the OBD reader.
I think this is a perfect car for the right buyer.
"Everyone celebrates Jack's Corvette" had me rolling 🤣😂👏👏👏👏
Top notch emphasis on the word sh-t during the driving impression. Really sold it. Bravo.
For its intended market, I think the Lexus ES hits the target firmly. If you want to relatively hassle free car ownership experience while enjoying a pricier luxury product, Lexus is a good choice. Take my experience for example, I owned a IS300 for 19 years, the only issues I had were a busted alternator after around 15 years while resulted in a dead battery. Replaced both and finally sold it in 2022 back to the dealer for $5500. In 2021, I decided to flirt with a Mercedes GLE 450, just 2 years and about 6000 miles later, I've had 1 recall and the soft close feature on one of the doors refused to work; going to have to get it repaired and thankfully still under warranty. Is it a big deal? No. Is it a hassle that I have deal with? Yes.
I just wanted to say how I appreciate that yal uploaded this in HDR, looks great on my oled monitor!
Im glad they relocated the wireless charging pad as in my 2022 f sport es350 it was inside the center console which was very stupid.
The video production quality never ceases to amaze me!
Congrats!!
Mark had a good point about the ES being the superior car for actual, real world driving. I don’t commute to work on a racetrack. The features which make an Audi S4 or M440i fun to drive also make ‘em miserable to live with in rush hour traffic. Zeus have mercy on you when the warranty expires. If you live someplace where the roads are cratered, flat, and clogged with traffic the ES is a better daily driver
@@japanwatchconnectionI guess you are the needle in the haystack my friend
As someone who drives 40 miles in my LA traffic commute I love the ES
At 34 with a young child and potentially a 2nd in the near future, I'd love an ES. My semi-realistic dream cars are a Miata or base Boxster, but in reality the potential for fun, top-down driving through the fields of Iowa are slim. I love the appeal of a safe, smooth ride for the kids in the future. Hopefully a CPO in a few years will be in the cards!
Better off with a minivan.
@@ninjamaster3453 we're sticking with two kids. No need for the extra space when we also have an SUV already. It would be a replacement for my currently 9 year old Fiesta.
@japanwatchconnection Having rented multiple Camrys and had multiple ES 350 loaner cars from the dealership, no, a Camry is not "the same crap" as an ES. The ES is noticeably quieter, for one thing, and has nicer materials.
@japanwatchconnection No, but the fact that the ES is noticeably quieter and has nicer materials DOES "negate the fact" that you said the two are "the same crap." Quit moving the goalposts and just admit you made a sloppy, inaccurate exaggeration to sound cool.
I own this exact trim and while I’m a little disappointed by the lower than expected fuel economy (35/36MPG combined) I love it. Looks great, interior has all I need and no gimmicks.
I have to agree with Mark here (of course). The most important part of luxury, in my opinion, is peace of mind. I’m over the sports cars now that I’ve aged and just want to get from a to b without any drama or BS.
That same thing can be had in a much cheaper Toyota.
@@naveenthemachine Agree. The Avalon was the bargain buy and even the Camry now. This ES might have the edge on resale for the grandkids who inherit it 😂
@@moloono1 the Camrys now a better buy than this. Because it still has a v6 and the interior isn’t really that much better in the ES. It’s not like we’re comparing a Camry to an lc500
@@moloono1 test drive both and see which one you like better, on paper the ES is much more luxurious and quiet but Camry’s cheaper price may lure you in to buying that
@@naveenthemachine Naveen, that's crap. Readers deserve to know you're a juvenile Camry owner who's posted essentially this same comment 100 times on other ES threads, plus other falsehoods like "Lexus is in financial trouble" and "Genesis is just as reliable." Stop it.
This is one of the funniest collaborations you guys ever made! The commentary is hilarious.
Thank you for an honest review! The ES350 V6 will most likely be my next car. I currently have an "04 Avalon with 259K miles original everything-no problems! Yes, it's not a Audi A4 or M540i, which are really engaging, but the ES is quiet, comfortable, seats 5-adults with baggage, and doest empty your wallet. For a second weekend-ca: -Corvette is the answer.
I truly enjoyed this video while doing my chair aerobics. Thanks Mark and Jack!
I have an F-sport version and I feel it rides much better than anything else I’ve been in. Except for my friends dads LS I rode in 10 years ago. It can feel slightly jittery on the Highway if there’s a lot of undulations but other than that it usually amazes me how it smothers potholes and bumps as if they were even there. Plus it looks wayyyyyyy better than the luxury trim which looks like a Japanese Buick
What drive mode do you leave it on? Does the F sport have those adjustable dampers when in sport mode?
@@davc7819 I leave it on normal. If you put it in sport+ it does stiffen up noticeably but you won’t want to do that on the Highway bc it’ll get more jittery You create a custom mode too. I have mine set to have the ride in comfort but the steering and engine performance in sport+ To me that’s the best mix
@@sst5688 that’s good to know that I can have my comfort ride. Steering in sport+ and engine in eco. Just need to research a nice tire now for 19’s
So sweet but you lost me at no fold down rear seat 😖. I fold down the seat to protect the leather when putting in trunk overflow.
I will be very surprised if the next generation will be as solid as this. Sadly, I believe Lexus is going the way of the others and heading towards disposable vehicles. I am very hopeful of being wrong. The NX and RX really concerned me.
I have a 2013 ES300h with 160k miles always maintained by dealer…. It is rock solid. Nothing ever EVER breaks. So smooth, quiet, fuel efficient (38mpg avg lifetime) and can get out of its own way with the battery torque shove.
Highly recommend for those frugal long commuters that care about true comfort.
Bought a 2017 es300h that was gently used like 5,000 miles on it sticker was 54k, bought it after sitting stagnant at dealer for 11 months offered for 29k they took it, now it's got 117k been super reliable this is our 7th Lexus drive it 270 miles each way back and forth to our farm on the weekends on I80 in Iowa so it gets driven hard and all types of weather we average 36 mpg on interstate I run 80 to 85 on average, engine is little more noisy than I like but not bad, only wish is ours had the ML stereo basic Lexus radio is garbage but for a almost new car for 25k discount not gonna complain
Well bought!
Crazy thing about it is he knows it will break when the lease is up so your forever renting. I’m proud to say I’m going on ten years with my es and it’s the second best decision of my life. Not a single headache. Planned on keeping it for about 7 now I’m coming up on ten and it’s still actually feature wise relevant. Lexus for the win.
In Abu Dhabi, most of the taxis are Toyota Camry and most of the Uber cars are Lexus ES. If you are into sporty, good curb handling, and speed, then yes this car is not for you. However, if you had your share of the Germans and sporty vehicles in the past and now want a reliable daily commuter that is built like a tank and has luxury, quietness, and refined/elegance then this ES is your car. Someone might ask why not get a cheaper Camry and splurge on a ES? If you want cheap stuff but reliable then go for the Camry, if you want luxury and reliable then go for ES.
I love the contrasting views on this channel, it's really really great - keep to your views!!
I love my ES350. Excellent sedan. I just wanted a car that can take me A to B and last a while. It is somewhat boring and I do fall asleep because of how smooth the ride is, but it's not slow or fast. Very simple, yet its a higher build quality when comparing it to other Japanese sedans
Hopefully not falling asleep while you are driving!!
The Lexus ES appears to have undergone minimal revisions in recent years. It is not clear if any new technologies or features have been incorporated that distinguish it from competitors like BMW, Mercedes, Audi, and Genesis. The interior also appears to have remained largely unchanged, with similar materials, screens, and gear knobs as previous models. The main distinctions seem to be the annual price increase and the model year change from 22 to 23. Given the lack of significant updates, it may be more cost-effective to consider purchasing a used 2019-2020 model instead of spending 60,000 dollars on a new 2023 model. Another option would be to wait for a full redesign of the ES to be made available.
In normal times, this would make a lot of sense (although the argument for the '22-23 is finally having a touchscreen to bypass the dreaded touchpad). But these cars depreciate so slowly, new may make more sense. And Mark's point about the "full redesign" is that it's going to be a 4, meaningfully worse in some of the ways that make this car worth considering.
@@tonysterbenc I understand and respect your viewpoint, but I personally don't find it convincing to buy a new ES because of its slow depreciation. Paying 60k for a minor change doesn't seem like a wise investment to me. Furthermore, there are so many other options available in the market at that price range. Additionally, based on the demographic of people who usually purchase ES, most of them intend to keep the car for a long-term, for at least 6-10 years, so I don't believe depreciation would be a significant concern for them. Also, apart from the addition of a touch screen, the 2023 model hasn't seen any major upgrades compared to the previous generation. Therefore, I still believe that it would be more cost-effective to buy a used ES and save a few thousands of dollars or explore alternative options around 60K. Thank you.
@@babogatae Hooni, thank you for the thoughtful and respectful tone of your reply. I think whatever makes sense for your situation and your wants is what you should do. I offered my thoughts only as someone who personally was recently in the same situation, and made two observations: 1) Many people were paying more than MSRP for USED cars when the new ones would have cost very little more, losing the certainty that a new car provides, only because they'd always heard the conventional wisdom that used is always the better buy; and 2) I might have bought a used GS rather than a new ES except that I found the touchpad so unusable that I viewed it as a deal breaker. If you see real savings on a used ES, it is an excellent used car bet, and if the touchpad bothers you less than it does me, it indeed should be no factor in your choice. Good luck in your shopping.
I wish Toyota/Lexus kept the dual info layout option they had with the previous system. Such a gigantic screen to only display only 1 type of information.
Yeah I prefer the older Entune 3 system my Camry has
Yep. If you own a Toyo product with that interface, please contact Toyota through their website and let them know. The more people that complain the more likely they are to fix that mistake. I have a '22 ES300h with the old software so I can still have two things up there. The new UI can be updated with an over the air update, so if enough people complain maybe they will give that option in the future.
Lexus ES300h is a great car for someone who is looking for an efficient, reliable sedan.
I was in the market last year to buy one. I tested ES300h and accord hybrid three times back to back. For someone who is considering value, I was not able to justify paying an extra 10-15k to buy ES300h.
For me, accord hybrid was quieter, more fun to drive, and has cleaner interior than ES300h.
Gonna miss the v6 for sure. This is the last year possibly to get a decent NA car.
So far this and the Camry are the remaining v6 sedans
@@naveenthemachine lov u no.
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@@naveenthemachine Naveen, as usual for your many anti-Lexus trolling posts, your facts are wrong. The Charger, 300 and Maxima are still available as V6 sedans below the high-luxury class.
@@tonysterbenc the charger and 300 are gone. The maxima is also gone.
@@naveenthemachine Once again, you're incorrect. Going, but not gone. All three have 2023 models.
This to me is a car I dream of purchasing for my grandparents when I get a sizeable chunk of income. Despite their age, my grandfather still drives daily to church for service and chauffeurs my grandmother around.
A car like this would feel perfect for them. Easy to use infotainment and HVAC controls even for not tech savvy people, a comfortable ride (to help my grandmother relax considering how aggressive my grandfather loves to drive), a luxurious interior, and a powertrain they probably never have to worry about taking care of on top of having good fuel economy. Just seems like a perfect way to repay them for helping me out all these years. Was originally looking into Mercedes C class or a BMW but it's just not as "perfect" as this car (German cars do have more prestige but feel like too much tech and complications)
I like my 23 NX350H but totally agree that it isn’t as refined as the ES and think it really should be..
I had a 2020 ES350 F-sport non-AVS and loved it. Definitely the spec to get. Looks so much better then the normal one inside and out and rides so incredibly well. The seats are the absolute best seat you will ever find in a car. Drove 6 hours to trade it in for an IS and could have driven another 6 easy.
Why did you dump it after only 2 years?
@@MrMustangrick Sounds like he got bitten by the IS bug lol.
@@MrMustangrick It wasn't exactly an enthusiast car. Just under steers everywhere. The new IS came out and Lexus fixed a lot of issues the last car had.
@@danielfield7986 Yes I know. I drive a GS F 5 liter V8 performance Lexus. Not built anymore. Will keep it forever!
@@danielfield7986 Nice. I got a 2021 IS350 myself about a year and a half ago, mainly because, like you said, they fixed a lot of stuff that the old car needed fixed.
The hilarity that some (myself included) count Luxury now as a company taking the time to engineer nice looking and feeling knobs, buttons & switches instead of making EVERYTHING a screen. The touchscreen in a Chevy or Hyundai will FEEL the same as a touchscreen in an Audi or BMW. However, I can assure you the buttons & switches do not... PS no I'm not old or the "typical" demographic for this type of car (still under 30), but I really respect what Lexus is still doing with models like the ES. Siding with Mark on this one!
If only the back seats folded down 😔. It as my choice over the ‘17RX Cpo lux I ended up with. Btw did they remedy the timing chain cover leak, or is it just a patch job? It’s under warranty……
I was promised door handles. I’m excited to watch.
Those door handles are very unique.
This is my car priority list:
1: dependability/reliability.
(1.5 ease of maintenance as im a mechanic)
2: quiet comfortable ride.
3: good looking car, either inside or outside.
4: performance.
I will give up any one of those priorities for the one above it.
Untill the Germans start building their cars as sturdy, strongly, and properly as Toyota, i will never own any contemporary one.
I will buy this Lexus as soon as i can exactly for the "old fashioned" style you described.
I'll park it alongside my Lincoln Town Car and Cadilac Deville.
Luxury cars to me, are big heavy and comfortable to ride. With plenty of bells & whistles to make my driving experience that much more pristine and prestigeous.
NOT high performance.
That's a sport car. Or a muscle car. I dont care for sport or muscle cars.
Ha! Thanks for the excellent overview guys. I'm with you all the way Mark! I love fun, sportier cars just like a lot of folks... but for a family car that drives smooth, has the latest tech and doesn't cost much to maintain, there's a heck of a lot to be said for the Lexus ES350h. The mix of luxury + 37MPG in the hybrid + smooth car you can drive for 10+ years? Heck yeah! Personally I own a 2013 GS450h with almost 100K miles. I keep up with the regular maintenance. That thing drives like a brand new car 10 years in.
As a regular person making an upper middle class income, if I’m going luxury there has to be value… a car that will last 10+ years, 200k miles, and isn’t prohibitively expensive to maintain and/or repaired. Love my ES.
In his nursing home Jack will be asking the nurse to drift his wheelchair.
Mark will drive his Lexus to visit him.
Mark is on point here. I want reliable comfort that looks and feels great. I think the hybrid F sport is an oxymoron and so I went with a luxury trim on a low mileage used model ES350. I use Apple CarPlay, so the old infotainment touch pad isn’t a dealbreaker.
I honestly regret not going with the ES over the Integra. I'm now dealing with my 3rd Check Engine Light after only 7K miles 😬😮💨
That's surprising , it's a Honda civic
That 1.5 liter Honda turbo is an oil-diluting crap engine.
So much for Honda reliability...
@@rosgoncharuk2403The days of reliability and quality are gone. Every new car you will sit in has some interior rattles and little insulation no matter the price tag. Many engine parts are now made from cheap plastics.
They want us to own nothing and be happy. Constantly changing cars and taking more loans from the bank.
Dont use the 0w oil, use 5 or 10.
I literally screamed in excitement seeing this video up as I have a '21 ES350 and have watched all your reviews about the other model years! lol
After buying a new Audi, and dealing with 3-5 visits to service per year, I got myself a used Lexus LS600Hl 2013. 4 years without one problem.
Nice choice. Back when Lexus was actually good.
The 600hL is so rare
@@naveenthemachine Got it dead cheap, used $8000 to fix it. A luxury boat for a total of $35.000 is better than buying a modern plastic car for 60K.
@@epoxy1710 what did you end up fixing? $8K seems small for the car that at the time cost over $130K
@@naveenthemachine DC/DC converter, suspension, and a new sunroof. The car had 136.000 miles when i bought it. They most likely dumped the car since they believed the battery was destroyed, when it was the DC/DC converter. A new battery cost $8000.
Which one makes more sense to buy, ES 350 or CT5 3.0 they both come up on a similar price tag. Appreciate your help in advance
If you’re leasing for 3-4 years then CT5. If your buying and plan on keeping it 10 years or longer ES350.
I think that in about 30 years when Jack is Mark's age, he'll probably then begin to appreciate the type of car that will help you navigate to Death's door so serenely and reliably.
Got mine in mid-april. . It's the Ultra Luxury trim, which is what we wanted and is the highest trim for the ES hybrid.
It is the Cloudburst Gray exterior with Acorn color semi-aniline leather interior.
Total Installed Packages & Accessories:
1) Premium Triple-beam LED headlamps;
2) Smartacess Card Key;
3) Premium Paint;
4) Lexus Interface with 12.3-in Multimedia Touchscreen Display;
5) Ultra Luxury Package;
6) All weather floor liners and trunk mat;
7) Door edge film by 3M;
8) The Preferred Accessory Package; and
9) The Dealer added a 5-year windshield protection/replacement coverage package and tinted the driver and passenger windows.
More:
The three-projector design creates an eye-catching L shape. Adding to this brilliant design, the headlamps feature LED side turn signals, as well as an Adaptive Front Lighting System6 that uses steering and speed sensors to direct the angle of low-beam illumination as the vehicle enters a curve. The Adaptive Front Lighting System monitors steering and speed with a suite of sensors and will automatically adjust the angle of your low-beam headlights to improve visibility on curved roads.
Ultra Luxury extras:
1) 18-inch split-five-spoke alloy noise-reduction wheels
2) Power rear sunshade with manual rear-door sunshades
3) Power open/close trunk with kick sensor
4) 12.3-inch multimedia touchscreen display 10.2-inch Head-Up Display
5) Intuitive Parking Assist with Auto Braking and Rear Pedestrian Detection, and Panoramic View Monitor.
Averaging 43+ MPG City/Hwy driving and I had the oil and filter changed at 1,000 miles for my own peace of mind. Just For Reference: I was not going to wait one-year or 10,000 miles to have the factory installed oil & filter changed. And, I shall be changing the Oil (Liqui Moly 0W-16 Spec V) and Toyota filter every 5,000 miles from now on. Like Scotty Kilmer says, oil & filters are cheap, engines are expensive. LOL 😎
Congrats on your new car. When I return home to Canada down the line, this is at the top of the list. I want a quiet luxury ride over "sporty" any day - and the money you save with Lexus - you can probably get a Miata RF for Sporty and still be under what you pay for a BMW and the repair bills for said BMW. Better luxury with the Lexus and way more "sporty" with a Miata.
@@austenrichardgeorge842 GLTU! Better hurry because Toyota will shut down production of the ES in the US soon and return product back to Japan, which will make it harder and more expensive (Import Duties) to buy one IMO.
@@randy74989Kirk on the Lexus/Toyota channel said you have 4 months left to order a 2024 model before they close the books on the Camry. So I'd imagine the end is the same because they are in the same plant.