Our Future of Living on the Water - Floating Cities?
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- Our Future of Living on the Water - Floating Cities? Go to brilliant.org/Undecided to sign up for free. And also, the first 200 people will get 20% off their annual premium membership. As sea levels rise, 800 million people from across 570 cities may have to relocate by 2050. But instead of relocating the people, what if we moved our cities instead? Someone is...floating...the idea of building an island city over the ocean. But is this Waterworld just a fantasy or will we see some of these technologies emerge back on dry land?
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So what do think? Do you think floating cities are still a sci-fi future like Waterworld? Or do you think we might get something out of this? And if you liked this video, be sure to check out this one on Mycelium Fungus the Future of Plastic? th-cam.com/video/cApVVuuqLFY/w-d-xo.html
you give me hope, and not just like a small little nightlight, but real hope for the first time in a long time, thank you
As someone who owned a sailboat for 10 years, I can say maintenance of anything on the water will be a bee-yatch. It's even worse if you can't pull it from the water. I can imagine vast swaths of sea growth hanging from the underside, probing and widening microscopic cracks. So for example that illustration of neatly hanging lines of kelp will either require regular undersea pruning by divers, or it will look like a complete mess.
Also, universally articles like this never present realistic reviewed projections of anticipated costs. For example, would electrochemically generated sea-ment cost less per pound than using more conventional options, or is the assumption that the ecofriendly electricty would be so plentiful, that it would not bet better used for another purpose, like desalination?
I'm not against this idea, I'm just pointing out questions that any savvy investor would ask.
Ok....I only got to the desalination part. What is the plan with the byproduct of desalination?
If the dump it, you might killing the sea life that might want to live near these settlements.
Who's knows this will be suck or not but I love....
Sounds interesting I think this is a very interesting Ted talk
th-cam.com/video/ieSV8-isy3M/w-d-xo.html
I think the video is probably based on this Ted talk
“The 21st Century… Mankind has colonized the last frontier on earth: The Ocean. As captain of the Seaquest and her crew, We are its guardians. For beneath the surface lies the future.”
🤣 Loved your work in Babylon 5. Kindly give my regards to the Minbari….👍
depressing
Ahhh Roy Schneider as a submarine captain. ☺️ Show had promise… then bombed like D-Day. 😓
Ah yes, the setting of Bioshock 4.
Ha! I hadn't thought of that.
Bishock is a waring of what could go wrong, not of what will. Dare to dream circa everyone that ever worked for NASA.
Heh, just wanted to add comment about Bioshock ;)
@@liggel04 that gives me an idea!
Bioshock space colony 1980's theme!
And Bioshock couldn't have possibly worked because they had no way to produce new steel or glass. Hell they didn't have any way to produce electricity in sufficient quantities, let alone food or any other good.
As an islander, I think the design and concept is beautiful, awesome and inspiring but VERY IMPRACTICAL..
The problems we often had:
1. Medical Emergencies- Hospitals are not that reliable. We had to take a boat in order to get to somewhere else and people often die on transit.
2. Cost of living- basic goods are way expensive because you literally need to import it from somewhere else. Supplies are limited and delays in shipments.
3. Isolation- the feeling that you are left-out from the rest of the world.
4. Maintenance of Structure- sea-salt is very good at rotting away stuff..
5. Economy- no good paying jobs because there are no big companies around due to limited space and low population.
And many more..
Proposal- Japanese strategy, they cut half top of a mountain and turned it into a city. The rest of the soil used to extend elevate the flood-prone shores. It's way more sufficient, practical, feasible and less cost than floating island. The floating island idea is already hostorically ancient.
1) I think we have to realize that in certain ways, people are less likely to be ill there. I mean they could get sea sick, etc. - but overall they're isolated and immune.
2) if cargo ships pass by you all the time - it's going to be the cheapest place to ship - not to mention eco-friendly!
3) yes, that's true - but I don't see them in the middle of the ocean, but by shore. I mean if they're large enough - I don't see that happening - it's as isolating as living in a city - as we live on Earth - which is the most isolated planet from life of anything. With the pandemic and the internet - people are either used to it or can find ways to stay connected anywhere.
4) well maybe there's a way to avoid that by storing fresh water around it - and having a coating. I mean salt is great for electrolysis - I bet it's going to lead to salt crystals keepng the place intact - not to mention a lack of maintenance if it's a self-healing structure. I feel if it's made with materials taht're of the ocean - like kelp - and these don't degrade from salt - why would your structure?
5) it's very likely the large companies would be able to afford a place like this - like dubai did - so I bet high paying, remote work jobs would be here. I highly believe top workers who are used to remote work would live here. Of course if you're moving a city with average citizens - it's the opposite
That makes sense if you have a mountain to begin iwth - but most places flooded out don't have those. Also you don't have to cut a mountain in half - you can just live on top or the side of it - like I do! Poor mountain.
Kudos to Matt for actually recognising the most of these "solutions" as for rich people.
Just like any coastal property..
Onshore real estate prices are now only for rich people.
Yes but as technology improves the cost will go down and most people will be able to afford it.
That's how a lot of technology starts off, yes.
@@Ilyak1986 But it is a fallacy to think all technology will eventually be affordable. Floating domiciles, even if one thinks of the buoyant garbage heaps of Waterworld, will never be anything other than for the rich. It will always cost less, and be less trouble, to live on land. Just not on the best bits.
This is what happens when architects don’t talk to civil engineers
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@Madlum Sibul Why don't you try solving the stuff you're accusing other people of not solving
@@DWCmoose it's one thing not trying to solve a problem, and an entirely different one to pretend to.
@@DWCmoose Why don't you? Seems like a self-answering question for most.
5:20 Ah yes, the common imperial unit of football pitches.
Americans hate units that make sense footballs and football fields are use.
... and Blue Whales when you need to weigh something heavy. lol
@@julianshepherd2038 You know I'm really tired of these stupid comments. It has nothing to do with me or any other "average" American hating things that make sense. Or common sense units of measure. It is literally just what I and most every other American was taught and are comfortable with, and the average humans unwillingness to step outside of their comfort zone. Absolutely nothing else. 😐
@@TheZodiac31 ""any other average American " there is you're problem. You aren't speaking to America when you talk to the Internet so step out your comfort zone.
I'm British and can work in metric , imperial and the American version of imperial but sports pitches is not a unit.
Basic manners nevermind the desire for thumbs would suggest you make things comprehensible to one and all.
If you dont want comments then up your game .
Up yours.
Wouldnt "football pitch" be referring to a soccer field and not an american football field? I have never heard of an American calling a football field a pitch before and almost no american would call soccer football which leads to some confusion.
I often dream about a floating home, like a house boat, but built for the ocean, using renewable energies rather than sails to move around. Preferably very large with underwater windows or a glass bottom
I've always wanted to build my own island like that guy in Mexico.
All you need is water bottles and pallets
Living with salt water is a challenge. Salt water wreaks havoc on everything. Also, if you want to see what a floating city would be like in a storm, watch YT videos on cruise ships in storms. It's horrible. I would like to live in a city like this, but not during a storm. They'd need to engineer something to at least dissipate the waves headed towards the city. Once they do that, winds and rain will be a minor inconvenience.
I was thinking the same thing. Waves can get massive... being able to survive a hurricane doesn't mean that anyone will want to stay out there during one. I predict they would strongly recommend or even require evacuation during a hurricane.
The cool thing is the structures are inherently movable if they float. These current floating cities are a bad idea. Literally stone age type structures floating.
You ever seen offshore oil rigs? It’s very possible to build a steady structure offshore
@@23StudiosSports Yes, I've seen them, and they don't look anything like the artwork for this.
Exactly ! People underestimate the strength of a sea storm! Unless this city is half sunken of somewhat singable, get ready for some nasty waves!!!!
With the internet full of reasons to be pessimistic about climate change, im grateful your content is always optimistic, creative and encouraging. Great work Matt!
pessimism isn't always a bad thing - it some leads to the right direction - and at least tells us what not to do. I watch good, but I don't knock the bad lol
@@extropiantranshuman yea but the internet lacks optimism aswell, leading to an imbalance
Floating cities could even help increase biodiversity, reduce ocean water acidity, and increase oxygen content if we cultivated the area with the right species. Around 70% of the ocean is watery desert currently. Figuring out the waves part for taller buildings, especially during storms, is a big challenge though.
you could even I bet grow coral on it
Studies should be done on side-effects. How much is too much too.
@@Endangereds side effects of? the thing is a floating city is a point on a big ocean.
@@extropiantranshuman As Humans we have the arrogance of over doing/using everything. That is the fear. A example is over using plastic. Over crowding earth, and now going deep into forests etc... etc... etc...
do you think this is for you or for the top 1%??
you ain;t never EVER setting foot in that, no matter how real.
you are too poor to float.
I love the title and content of Undecided. So many factors to consider and so many unknowns. Very thought provoking a
Hexagonal units making a village that interlocks with other hexagonal units? Someone plays Settlers of Catan.
It's because hexagons are bestagons!
@@midnight8341 XD it allways comes back to bees
@@midnight8341 Please tell me that was a CGP Grey reference.
Instead of just having floating cities, couldn't we use this to increase the amount of biomass in the ocean? We could grow and harvest useful algae and even krill. This would allow for more sustainable aquaculture for fish and human consumption.
The video mentions ocean farming
@@alexsanchez7076 I'm not talking about ocean farming for a floating city. I'm talking about large scale aqua culture and farming bringing cold water and nutrients from the deep. Surrounding platforms could also be used to create electricity. Imagine hundreds of these farms operating in the largely lifeless deep water zones of the Pacific. We could grow algae, krill, and fish a various sizes saving a tire species, while also providing protein and omega-3s for the entire planet. It's not just about saving species and providing food for up to 10 billion people. If every pregnant woman and child had access to iodine and DHA, we could decrease the number of people with low IQ in an ethical manner, increasing gross world the product and quality of life.
@@ronmaximilian6953 YES! Ocean regenerative aquaculture! The 3-D ocean farming is something I’m really interested in! I believe we could use it to regenerate our coastlines. Grow algae in areas of high nutrient run off near any waste water dumping. This can be used to make diesel, plastics, food and fertiliser. Then grow filter feeders like scallops mussels and oysters. This will improve the water quality and feed people, provide habitat for other marine species and be a bloody good place to drop a line in and fish!
@@ohfudgecicles I prefer to deal with river nutrients higher upstream, because dead zones already exist. However, I haven't thought of the positive benefits of this type of farming in reducing the spread of dead zones. Thank you
@@ronmaximilian6953 Sounds like ocean farming only bigger
7:30
Seems really fascinating!
I can see something like this being used in arid areas, with some kind of dust/sand screens of course.
ngl, even tho this is a typical very comman song, u kinda make it your own for an intro. feels so at home considering your channel content. little things like that make you seem very professional. great job man!
built to withstand a cat 5 hurricane, but it would be one hell of a ride. Make sure to take some anti-nausea medicine or flee town for about a week
Yeah id like to see that simulation....
I know you can build a hurricane proof house with concrete and building it in the shape of a dome. Not sure how much of that is transferable to floating
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Well technically it’s all about buoyancy right?. The problems, these designs are not incorporating anything that would be hurricanes proof. They are all futuristic and modern with angles and glass.
One of the pluses I actually thought about floating cities that it could avoid storms seasonally.
@@jeremiah6462 There is more to it than that. The waves a hurrican can produce can get poerful enough to slam holes into solid steel ships.
You can look that up. It is actually quite frightening in my opinion. (also check out freak waves if you need even more terror)
A floating city could be built to withstand such forces maybe, since oil rigs are pretty tough and exist already.
But nothing just shrugs off a a hurricane at sea. Even the most modern ships can sink in bad weather conditions.
Oh and conditions are getting worse since we heat everything up and put more energy into the system.
Getting the frack out before a hurricane strikes will always be the best option.
This is an awesome idea for a videogame. Like Surviving Mars but on water.
I started building my own floating city in minecraft after watching this lol
BioShock?
I really liked this one Matt. Keep us posted if/when you do an update.
7:34 a vertical axis wind blade can generate electricity and at the same time canalize air to extract water from moisture, into an underwater structure similar to a bulb, also taking advantage of the natural temperature difference to the surface. Kepping in mind the cost, the low production and the space required; such a wind turbine could provide many benefits with fewer problems.
It's crazy what we'll do just to treat the symptom just to avoid dealing with the cause.
Because there's no money to be made in fixing the problem, but there is with fleecing people with hair brained schemes.
Sadly we need to do both. We're not going to be able to stop and reverse some of the effects.
@@UndecidedMF I still argue that if permaculture was adopted worldwide, we could stop and reverse a lot of them. We need to respond to climate change like the ww3 level threat it is.
How would you immediately fix the problem?
Even if we not push very agressively to be co2 neutral, it would still take a very long time in which sea levels will still be rising. It's inevitable in the short term.
Well the problem has also to do that the solution is very hard at least for some countries. Because a lot of countries are above the limit where you can use 100% regenerative energies even with sufficient energy storage. Countries like Germany are in this list but refuse to use/add the only alternative nuclear energy and when you want to have the more safer and cleaner variant like molten-salt reactors . You would have needed to start with the development 20 years ago. On top of that in most countries the power grid isn't able to resist this much energy when you use everything 100% electric. The real core problem is people are living in absolute denial of reality and when you mentioned e.g in Germany that they need nuclear energy you get stoned
Alas, the "seacrete" idea that they're relying on turns out to be a simple miscalculation. People got really excited when a paper claimed that a small current running thru seagoing wires would cause limestone to form around the wires quickly, but on inspection it was a miscalculation and is off by several orders of magnitude.
Shoker. Also "will be creating rest of it fresh water supply by collecting water from air" so another Fontus scam. Utterly inefficient and produces tiny amount of water that is not usable as drinking water and consumes huge amounts of energy even on optimal condition. They would be far better off by processing seawater into fresh water via reverse osmosis, but that is not green and hippy enough to sell this whole project that i'm guessing comes from everyones pockets since they will be asking government funding, wasting peoples money on this. Yet another climate hysteri....crisis scam to steal peoples funds to elites pockets just like emission taxes. For instance Finland should be receiving shit ton on money for being Europes lungs with amount of forest, but no we need to keep paying and be taxed hell and back to point where its very difficult to even go to work due gas prices and taxes added to that. And no EV's are not solution even though those are forced upon us since costs of electricity transfer have gone to moon after government sold the grid and created monopolies, flooding the funds to foreign corporations.
Thank you, this video is very informative and inspiring...
You definitely deserve it! Absolutely love your channel!!
Maintaining anything on the ocean will be a nightmare. Everything degrades much faster on the open ocean. Sounds nice, but full of risk. Possibly select places will be able to permanently house something like this, but I doubt it would become the norm.
But what if we make it out of the ocean?
I feel like we should just do the stuff they're trying to do out there, but not live out there. Sure, have farms, desal, aquaculture, waste recycling and such offshore.
@@imightbebiased9311 agreed. We can create useful space like this and for this reason I'm looking forward to seeing things develop despite their seemingly unrealistic hopes.
My first thought is that the very human tendency to defer minor maintenance tasks until they become major disasters will not mix well with platforms that will likely require constant maintenance, and that'll lead to some tragedy. My second thought is, seems like a nightmare to keep rambunctious children from falling off the edges. Kids are really good at getting around safety measures.
I really like the dad point of view on this one.
😂😂😂
The kids are naturally selected for a tendency to not fall off.
How would they even maintain these structures? Seems like they would a constant influx of manufactured goods from the continent they are next to which completely negates the intended purpose.
Teach them to swim.... omg some people...
This was a very fun video to watch I hope things go well for them 👍
Absolutely fabulous post. Very informative and operating on a rather academic level while still accessible in terms of the information shared. Question please - what happens to the sewage please?
I remember seeing the first OTEC (off the coast of Hawaii) in early 1970's and the first story about Seament around the same time which included an idea to build complete buildings that are then pulled up on shore (they did a sand castle like object), glad to see a return of the ideas
This is pretty cool and all but we have lots of land to fill up before it makes any sense to build on the water
It is not about the land it is about new government models and finding out what really works along the spectrum.
This is so cool! I really want to see how this project changes our future
Just brilliant work,,, hello from Ireland
This is all very well presuming that water remains smooth. Alas it undulates as much as 80 feet.
Then there is also the problem that all vessels eventually leak.
I agree. Maybe the doldrums would be a good area to test.
I also absolutely agree about leaks. The platforms will flex and fatigue over time.
Yep this is pure fantasy
Not of it’s a seacrete vessel.as long as you have power, the « concrete » repairs itself.
@@kirkc9643 you may say, I m a dreamer... 🎶
I can imagine how those floating blocks breaking apart and tumbling against each other under a hurricane. Would be an instant floating trash.
maybe buildings on stilts on floodplains and wetlands would be a better idea that building literally on the ocean. new orleans was a bayou, then return it to one. it's not that hard or that expensive (per capita) compared to these projects from bourgeois architects.
using "bourgeois" unironically, damn
Yeah, these types of projects are never financially viable, it's like building a colony on mars; I think we should try both, but they are never going to make sense by themselves, it's the technologies we invent while trying to build them that make it sensible.
a bayou is not a healthy environment to live in. The incidence of tropical diseases will be rising in the developed world, because of climate change, even without living in a swamp lol.
@@hemiedwards217 i mean, fair point, but we'll need wetlands and peatlands to mitigate effects of climate change anyways. new orleans will be flooded, there's no mitigating that, might as well return it to a wet land
@@em-jd4do Sure they're already talking about managed retreat in Florida, and their politicians are idiots lol. I don't expect that Louisiana will be far behind, but that doesn't answer, where all those people will go. People are just hand waving it away and hoping they don't live long enough that they will have to do something about it.
I hope I can work on this project one day.Very nice video thanks :))
One of the best channels on the tube.
This idea was covered very extensively in a book I am reading called the Millenial project. The concept there was more about creating more habitable space along the most habitable part of the most habitable planet that we know of. Since Earth is 3/4 water, it makes sense to move from land to water to create more places for people to live. Certainly floating cities would be less likely to flood then ones that don't. The Ocean Thermal energy plan is fantastic, I love it.
Interesting concept. I really hope it gets built. Reminds me of the floating villages of Lake Titicaca. Great video as always! Interested if you've heard of biotekt homes? My father in law is a homebuilder and is building a few of them, super cool stuff!
Good informative video on futuristic , eco-friendly tech solution.
Love your channel, keep up the great work. Yes, I feel that sea-steading is not only viable but preferable to homestead on land due to the great access to almost unlimited resources in the sea. One of my favorite books is "The Millennial Project: Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps". This book outlines a possible set of steps, which include a sea-steading step, to move mankind into space. I think some of your references may have sprung from organizations that started after this book was published. I read this book about 25 years ago. I'm glad someone has started developing this technology. OTEC's seem like a no-brainer. Would love to spend 6 months of the year in a tropical floating island. By my estimation, floating cities could provide resources for at least an order of magnitude more population. No one needs to worry about zero sum thinking when vast"desert" oceans are still available.
This all sounds extremely expensive compared to just building and especially farming on land. The only advantage I can see is for floating cities that can actually move, to evade storms and bad weather. Like, a place that's always sunny. That'd be something people might want to pay a premium for their real estate for.
I dunno but if the future really is a portable town of rich people hiding from the rain, I hope it sinks.
Dense
@@ScratchedWinter lmao 🤣
They can't move. That would make it a boat. All the ideas given in the video, have cities that are moored to the seafloor.
@@dizzy8175I have seen similar concepts that can move.
Getting water from a dehumidifier. Somewhere Thunderf00t just got an itchy ear lol.
Righteous rage boiling over like a wave 😂😂😂
Another great episode, ***PLZ NOTE*** @ForeverLearners part of the reason costal cities sink is because of over development. Tall condos densely built on sandy coasts cause the ground to give a little. I know this was a challenge for some of the projects our company worked on. For context, we work largely in Fl. Keep it up Matt! Excellent content!!!
Hey Matt in this channel you describe all my childhood ideas from the 70s when i had imagination. Thank you so much! Gives me some hope to avoid extinction.
I would rather live in the desert. I am less afraid of giant sand worms than I am of sea monsters.
Don’t worry, pirates will be everywhere in the future.
@@bobjob3632 pirates are already here. The UN stealing our money for their wet dreams. I wish i had that kind of welfare.
_Tremors_
Did you hear about platform #4? It just disappeared swolled by the sea!
Seasteading all the way! I think offshore wind developers should be the the first to explore this because for them, offshore offtakers of their power would be a massive force in reducing interconnection costs
I agree with the approach as in Holland. Services are umbilical and new lift and stabilise rams allow water height change without side movement.
Not feasable for open sea but on land subject to flooding over time. A bit like living on an Ark. The very best design to prevent corrosion is concrete cassions like the Mullberry Harbour.
Definitely an idea that is worth considering!!
I like all the subtle ocean puns you've put in and you stayed very neutral and serious. Thanks for making this video :) Learn something new everyday.
All these utopian visions look like a shining example of human ingenuity , yet it always ends in a snowpiercer-like dystopian nightmare.
Projects like this always end in the trash can, before they ever come to fruition.
human nature...
@@user-cu4xc2be2i because they're inherently infeasible.
While true, it is also amazing the number of ideas that come out of these thought experiments into the real world.
It's for the elite
I lived on the water for a couple of years. In 1991 I lived in Richardson Bay, off the shore of Sausalito , Ca. I was part of a anchor-out community that lived in boats tied to a abandoned dry dock. I had a 25' sailboat, it's the Last Free Ride. One of the people made a movie of the same name.
And now there trying to get ride if that whole community. Waiting for people to leave there boat/homes so they can crush it calling it marine debris, and leaving an already low income individuals homless.
The media and other videos that show the anchor out community only show the worst of the worst out there.
@@abigailgenrty5135 Oh wow. I never thought I would meet someone who knows about the Sausalito anchor-outs. 30 years; wonder if we knew the same people ?
This video not only satisfied my childhood fascination with Cities of the Future type projects, but also my adult appreciation of puns. Kudos.
Ever sailed through a hurricane for 3 days straight? The city would be destroyed. You'd have to submerge the cities for them to survive
The people designing these things have engineers in their teams and the islands are big buildings ancored to the sea floor, not free floating. So I guess they know more about the subject than you do...
Have you ever lived on the water? I would love to here for them. As a person that has been on the water for only a short time. It would seem to be very expensive as well as uncomfortable at times. Most people that I have talked to like to have something solid below them. As most people live on land for comfort and cost. But it is interesting to see if we could convert to that kind of life.
We can very easily, we just need more creative, open minds.. this world rlly seems to be lacking them right now.
I’ve lived on a houseboat for a few weeks. I know people who did it for years. You adapt
Large countries like the USA, Brazil, Russia and Canada have a lot of space in the more rural areas; in China, India and European countries, this sea solution can be useful
I have been on a houseboat in Hamburg in 2010. It was absolutely solid and had nothing in common with a boat. 2 story built on concrete floting dock.
Similar to the pickture from Holland.
Aren't cruiseships kind of a floating village that people love to be on?
Using a paving of the hexagonal aquatic plan makes it possible to create a very modular and scalable floating village ! I would love to work on this topic
I really appreciate it!♥️
Fascinating ideas. I imagine a broad mix of these and other ideas are going to be used in the future to help mitigate the issues humanity will be facing. Great presentation.
How about we don't build by the water as much? There, problem solved for millennia ahead (the earth is ONLY like under 10%~ populated you know)
@@mkzhero We build by the water because of ports
@@afabuloussentientbeing8112 yes. But not skyscrapers and shit. Build smaller buildings that you can detach and relocate further back, it's much more realistic and far less expensive, both in the short and long term. I can't even imagine the kind of money that would go into building and maintaining such a city, what it would take to keep it anchored and what'd happen to it when storms hit. Not to mention the amount of people it'd fit is rather low, again, for a ludicrous price... But hey, it seems to be a trend with all global warming/climate change related shit - extreme costs without any practicality or promises of anything sustainable nor working, if working at all. But don't worry, the people 'working' on all those projects are getting paid well with our money.
I had a barge home, when it became too expensive to maintain I moved inland.
You had aluminum floaters. Imagine a concrete floating house. That’s super low coat and salted water proof.
Always interesting💜👍
this is amazing.
There are 5.5 million square miles of uninhabited desert on earth ... but let's try to float instead.
Well, you don't get much fun in a desert tho.
Matt, you do a fantastic job as always and I'm a dedicated viewer and love your videos...and I'm not arguing the fact that some areas of the world may be seeing actual sea level change. Fact is, we've had a home on the water in South West Florida for 45 years and the water level hasn't risen at all. We have a sea wall so it's very easy to measure. Many islands in the South West Florida area have gotten smaller due to erosion and people may attribute this to sea level rise. Unfortunately people who don't live near the coast who see this kind of content blindly believe that we're going to sink into the sea in 50 years. The fact is it's just not true in many areas so it makes me wonder HOW levels could be rising in other parts of the world and not everywhere? Keep up the great content.
I did come across the explanation for this, but iv forgotten the deets cos brain inflammation back then n currently on painkillers xD
From a diff source, diff era n diff platform, i am aware that in uk, scotland is rising n southern coast is sinking. This was explained as relating to when the ice sheets covered the north n weighed it down. I say this to show that all coastlines are not equal.
Youd have to watch climate change seminars n university lecture vids to find out what iv forgotten, which is why its not well known xD
1) sea level changes are weird and some areas have actually seen small decreases because of weirdness in things like currents changing. 2) however this isn't the case in southern Florida and sea levels around the tip of Florida have actually gone up by around ~4 inches since 1992. But as a normal person and not a data logging machine this kind of base level change is easily obscured by the hourly, daily, weekly, etc. variations in the sea level that exist on top of that.
Matt good information. There's a possibility for resolving Electricity demand through seawater hydro turbines if Industries wish to take up R&D.
This is awesome! Such an amazing concept! But!… Once the segments of land are anchored 1 mile off shore.. would there be any way of extending the anchors safely in relation to rising sea levels?
4:25 Ohh, i thought they are gonna use a stirling engine for sure!
It's not like this is gonna work any better. A 20° temperature gradient is laughable for a steam power process, you'll lose almost all of it in the heat exchanger. Geothermal power is already barely worth it, and they work with much higher temperature gradients than that.
In my energy systems class someone did their final project on an otec system. The final efficiency was 3% and that was optimistic…
This power generation idea makes Hyperloop sound like a viable transport solution!
So far away from the coast means that everony living there must also work there. I doubt there would be enough jobs on a project like this, assuming there's no plans for an exporting industry on site..
The current pandemic has shown just how much of the working world functions just fine working remotely. Now whether it would be affordable is another question.
Exporting power or clean water, hydroponic food could be a job provider.
Tourisme is an industry on its own.
@@bobjob3632 But these can't export power or clean water so they already aren't able to produce enough for themselves. And how would it be economically viable for them to produce enough on their tiny surface area compared to the more massive surface area of a desert? Especially to provide enough income for 10,000+ people from such a tiny surface area when a normal solar power facility produces far more power using far fewer employees? Sorry but this isn't a realistic project.
@@GeorgeMonet Water is 3D in the desert it can be hard to build up and to dig down.
Great video thank you
We have to be get ready with OceanWorld/WaterWorld... plastics to be used as floating device /pontoons /residence etc..once I thought off like this concept..to survive during high rise of water level and sustain for struggle... .very good topic raised...thanks
Yup, Jacques Fresco came up with this idea back in the 70’s.
It was not really his idea.
Humanity does that even before Jesus..
Is not enough to "uh something like this would be cool", you really need to proof how it would work with all the luxury of details, something that Jack Fresco always try to ignore.
I liked the man, as everyone who tries to innovate, but he loved to lie to him self for not seeing the obvious errors for some of their ideas. Like his "no money" idea.
These guys right here seem to have the same issue, those city graphics does not look nothing similar to oil rigs, so their point that "oil rigs" can survive ocean, it does not proof that their cities also can, because those cities are super low and they do not enter in detail on how they will deal with waves or the extra cost of all the structure or objects in order to deal with the constant movement, of course there are ways to solve all that, but not at low cost.
Their idea to extract energy from the water gradient is also silly, the gradient is so low that it would take a huge investment to extract very little power, when solar panels and wind turbines (or kites) would be close to one order of magnitude cheaper, using hydrogen as the main energy storage to solve power intermittence.
Its older than that. Probably Biblical times or prior.
Jules Verne came up with this closer to the 1870's He wrote 2 books: 1871 A Floating City (A trip on the Great Eastern large steamer)
and 1895 THE Floating City (Or Propeller Island) ( A moveable inhabited island that toured the oceans.)
I am sure that Thunderf00t can give some very valuable advice to propnents of this project ...
I was thinking the same thing when the dehumidifier was hyped up halfway into the video
And thunderf00ts expertise in this area is what, exactly?
"Get in the sea!"
Going back and REWATCHING ... Man i fucking LOVE YOUR CONTENT ! YOU SIR , ARE A G !
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I'm interested in seeing how this goes honestly. Though I know I'll never be able to afford to neither or live in one of those floating cities.
-first the cultist said : 800 million people will be effected by rising sea levels by 2040. Then the cultist shill let slip : "by a 2 inch sea level rise". *facepalm* Of course the rational response would be: Just how many predictions have these cultists actually gotten right over the last 40 years?
@@TheBelrick a 2 inch sea level rise is the average value across the entire oceans, you dingus... That's like saying "oh, 3°C temperature rise due to climate change isn't that bad" and completely ignoring that the continents we live on will become much much warmer than that, while the 71% ocean will stay a lot cooler than x+3°C.
2 inches means that the entire surface of the ocean attracted by the moon has 2 inches more water on it. What do you think happens, when you pull that much more to shore during the tides? That high tide is accumulating 2 inches of water over an area of miles squared additionally to the water that's normally there. Go figure.
@@midnight8341 I get that you plebs have been protected from free thought by zealous overlords isolating you from intelligent people through censorship but that is no excuse for your stupidity.
Ready for context and perspective?
The current AVERAGE ocean depth is 12100' . In 20 years years time they predict that it will be 12100'2"
GET REKT
And FYI for those willing to learn, should EVERY single drop of ice on land melt average sea levels will rise 1.5% or from 12100 feet to 12280 feet because 98.5% of all water that can be in the oceans is already in the oceans or trapped as fresh water lakes.
And no one is predicting 100% land ice melt.
@@midnight8341 Here is another fun fact. 2" ocean level rise equivalent in bath water
20" depth bath faced by the same increase in water level will result in a bath filled to 20.00028"
Ohhh scary. Permanently surrender your liberty and fortunes now.
@@TheBelrick "protected from intelligent people"... Yeah, right... It's not like I have two university degrees and am doing my PhD currently, but go on and say that I was protected from intelligent people all my life... 🤦♂️
You really don't get it, right? Ever had 6 inches of rain in a night? What about 8 inches? That's a pretty big difference, right? That's 25.4 additional liters per m² (0.62 gallons per ft² in stupid measurements). For a strip of coast just 20 km long and 1km into the ocean, that's an _additional_ 508,000 metric tons of water being pulled to land during high tide. If you can't see the problems here, you're truly far beyond reasoning...
2in doesn't sound like a lot in total numbers, but so is CO2 concentration that rose from 340ppm to 400ppm. But look what a difference that made to your country. I'm guessing you're from the US, so just look at how often your country has been on fire lately. For a comparison: think about what a difference 2 inches would make for your own life.
Without some kind of industry to drive Support Services any kind of attempt will fail. You can't just put up a bunch of people together and think they can support themselves like Frontier settlers.
Fresh seafood grown in industrial quantities, pearl farms, lithium, and other mineral mining from seawater, many economic products were mentioned in the video and they can be done nearly anywhere.
@@Barskor1 So I am correct.
This is basically the theme in "The Millennial Project: Colonizing the Galaxy in Eight Easy Steps"
i always wondered when someone would make OTEC a thing
YESS FINALLY! i've had this idea since i was a kid i just hope that i can see it happen :'D
I have the feeling, floating cities are the future of the cruise industry....
Sea levels: *Rising*
Humanity: I can make this work.
Is it rising?
Some: We shall live on this water.
Others: Hey look, a hill.
2 inches in the next 20 years. maybe. tract record on predictions is of course terrible
@@BarryObaminable Yes and evidently
@Narja excellent. Time to buy cheaper land 2 feet higher than current beachfront property.
Biking between the "islands" would be great. Videos like this remind me how perfect/efficient bike travel is. Building the connecting pathways with bikes in mind would mitigate a lot of the current problems with them.
As you scale this up you would see a lot of our land-based concepts creep back in. The idea of a freeway (even if it is bikes and not cars) will be needed after a certain scale just because of places lots of people want to go. Commercial district ect. And if you think that each neighborhood would be fully self-contained and not need to visit other neighborhoods, that with the addition of 'me first' brand of politics is how ghettos form.
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri had this as a researchable tech. Also remembered that Nautilus Pirates started with this tech and it made them broken.
I was thinking the project looks like a big collectivist study in a closed environment, literally 5 seconds before Matt mentioned the first one was going to be in China.
The Chinese know they are running out of land. Of course they are bankrolling this.
@@BenFrankarts Nah, they have plenty of land, but because of centralized decisions resources and space are misused. They've built whole cities for millions which are empty, and it's logical since settlements, villages, cities are built around free market, free enterprise, where there is a resource to benefit from, farmland, a river, a mine, or natural beauty, for commerce, for industry or just for leisure.
@@Gastyz those cities are ghost cities. Built for propping up a failing economy. Not for people to live. I mean useful land, not space to build pretend towns.
"float the idea" ... "a wave of climate change" so many puns
Too many puns? Or just enough.
@@UndecidedMF Just enough. Love your channel.
@@UndecidedMF loved it, but don't tell Matt! 😄
@@UndecidedMF Not enough puns. I can't wave for another video! I'm getting seasick of waiting for the next one! You must hurrycane, my patience is swimming out.
@@UndecidedMF I absolutely love the puns. I like when you are not being so obvious about them. It becomes a bit of a game, listening for them. I will often re-watch to see if I missed any. Love you videos. I'm hooked.
There's this amazing floating home idea I heard about using low-tech systems like wind travel. They're called 'boats', they're pretty wild.
"I hate the sea and everything in it" -Sea Captain
So basically super expensive houseboat for the rich.
Unfortunately, that's what most of these "green projects" really are. They're mostly a way for the ultra wealthy to masturbate about how progressive they are. Any real solution has to be something widespread and affordable.
Taxe free of course
The cost makes the replacement of fossil fuels by renewables pale into insignificance, plus It would widen the socio/economic divide.
@@rogerstarkey5390 The sooner we can stop the use of fossil fuels the less the sea level will rise.
@@eclecticcyclist But we're not. Countries in the Third World are even now building hundreds of coal-fired power plants, which also require tonnes of concrete. Whether we like it or not, we're going to have to suffer global warming and sea level rise.
Great stuff, as usual, Matt. However, before anyone goes into panic mode on the water levels rising, they should read False Alarm by Bjorn Lomborg. This technology for living on the water itself plays directly into one of his major points regarding innovation.
Dude! I have been saying we should build on or out into the water. Here, in Long Beach California, we have a huge, man made, rock barrier in the ocean. We should build homes on piers out there. The weather in Coastal California is the best but we are running out of room. Time to think outside the box.
Hmmm seems like another elysium style escape for the rich!
Except that you can’t take a rowboat to orbit. . .
Ye if that the case people will come with their boats and raid the shit out of them 🤣
I appreciate your positive, informative approach to such patently lunatic proposals. “Obviously, there are challenges,” as you said a couple of times.
Is a floating village anchored to the seabed a sort of island? If I build one and put it, say, in the South China Sea, can I claim the waters around it for fishing and so on? Asking for a Chinese friend.
Another possibility is to recycle old ships and put together a flotilla. Power and agriculture could be put on old cargo ships, retired cruise liners could be apartment blocks and office buildings. Being boats, they could move the fleet around extreme weather. There could be many advantages to a nomadic city.
Hum, I proposed something very similar for my college environmental class, except mine was made out of a lot smaller hexagons made to support modular buildings, made to support vehicle traffic and also to connect to the shore. I had calculated material costs based off of buoyancy and it came out pretty cheap per unit. Main argument I made in terms of environment was that in such a residential area, most likely surrounded by much of the same "landscape", would require a much higher degree of waste handling to even function at a basic level. Ofc these platforms would be hard pressed to support any kind of heavy industry, but I think its feasible for a lot of other stuff
That floating city should be the prequel to water world Showing the human race last effort to survive
Stands a better chance being a movie
Even if all the ice melted (and Antarctica is in no danger of that by the most alarmist predictions), we'd go from something like 71% of the earth covered by water to, I dunno, 73%? There's some scary animations out there of what would be covered, and although it represents a lot of people displaced, there would still be a LOT of land.
The floating containers in CPH are NOT low cost btw. There are reserved for students though
And they are docked, not out in open sea. It's dumb to even bring them up.
I suggest that we need to start small; start with one pod that sustains the people living on it. Too many people wish to start with the village size products; more is more complications. Once a module exist, that would all knowledgeable people to address any variations needed. I see this as a start for a whole new life style of minimal possessions, etc, as well as smaller living quarters. Kind of like living on a cruise ship without the rich food. Good article.
I could see something like Kamino in Star Wars playing out somewhere. Might even be built from defunct oil rigs as the foundation or in a similar fashion, but of course much nicer structures on top to live in. It'd stimulate some jobs as well since there'd have to be a full time group of people maintaining and repairing the structure. Much like the bridge crews we have today.
I love this idea, because it feels so much like a video game. But at the same time it's clear that it's _very_ early days for floating cities, and there's an awful lot of problems that will need to be solved before they could work as true cities. No doubt that's why the SeaSteading guys are only talking about building expensive single "pods" and not whole communities. I'm really interested in the Oceanix project and hope they actually build it.
In Southeast Asia they've had floating villages and neighborhoods for centuries. For instance lake Tonle Sap in Cambodia has hundreds of little floating fishing villages. But these places tend to be inhabited by the poorest of the poor who depend upon resource extraction to survive. Or in the case of floating neighborhoods, they tend to be the poorest and most desperate parts of the slums, were people locate because their semi legal-status means residents don't have to pay property taxes.
If an American city that's threatened by climate change - like say, Miami - was able to transform itself using this technology and became partially floating and partially on land, how would the floating sections avoid the long term pressures that tend to turn floating neighborhoods into slums? Would people with money want to live on the floating parts, or would everybody be competing to live on land?
I love things like this. It's fascinating how the goal they were chasing may end up a failure, yet spin off some really useful tech.
Exactly! people that are dreaming that big give me hope.
You totaly remind me of Colin Robinson from 'What we do in the Shadows' Good info tho, very intersting.