The REAL Problem with Floating Cities
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00:00 INTRO (HIJACK)
00:50 TRITON CITY
02:11 DOGEN CITY
02:46 PANGEOS - LILYPAD - OXAGON
03:40 MALDIVES FLOATING CITY
08:00 SEASTEADING INSTITUTE
10:00 OCEANIX BUSAN
13:50 CONCLUSIONS
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Triton City, envisioned by Buckminster Fuller in the 1960s, was an early concept of a self-sustaining floating city with advanced technologies for food production, water purification, and renewable energy. The project's ambition was to create a scalable community that could expand as needed. However, it faced setbacks due to the death of its main investor, Matsutaro Shoriki, bureaucratic obstacles, and the unavailability of required technologies at the time. The Maldives Floating City, inspired by Dutch floating homes, offers a more practical approach with modular units. Despite these advancements, the long-term sustainability and viability of floating cities in the face of rising sea levels and other challenges remain uncertain.
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As a sailor, I'm pretty sure that none of the people that propose building floating cities have ever been out at sea during a major storm
Yeah, my grandfather was a marine in WW2, he told us how bad those storms were. And that was one of my first thoughts as to why these floating cities wouldn’t work.
Well they were architects not sailors
Or have ever heard of dry dock or overhaul. How on earth are they going to maintain these things in any kind of long term?
@@kellykls2194 maybe we do need an architect who's a sailor😂
True. Although all the ones shown are not assembled in the open ocean. Many are in always calm waters. All of them are anchored close to land.
I wonder how one that is in the ocean would handle a tsunami.
The two closest things we have today to a floating city is oil rigs and cruise ships. These are large vessels designed for the open sea, and guess what? They look nothing like these city proposals. The dream of a self sufficient oceanic community is severely hampered by the fact that the ocean is a harsh place, and these high-tech looking city concepts would get washed away in any storm.
I think the main problem is there is no workplace for everybody on a ship. Cities appear aroud some industial complex, that needs thousands of workers . A ship with just living quarters will never become a city. Drive a few miles away from your town and think why people dont live there, usually its because there is no workplace for them. Only farmers can survive away from big cities, but they dont form cities, they need land for farming.
@@user-dv5ts3de8e Theoretically, if the floating colony was also a floating submerged caged fish farm it could be sustainable at the expense it's gonna have a smell and be slow AF.
@Cerberus984 the biggest problem is a city like that without non-agri industry will still need money to purchase supplies and materials. Cities need something they can provide to the outside in order to maintain themselves.
True self sufficiency means containing nearly every industry under the sun. It's just not feasible without being a sizable nation.
Floating cities can work on inland Lakes that don’t get too much wind. There are lots of historical instances of this happening. But mid ocean… oil platforms rely on being above the waves, and cruise ships rely on hydrodynamic too heavy for waves to push around, but both of them rely on their sheer scale making it difficult for a storm to do anything to it. the only way a floating city is going to happen is if Waterworld happens and everybody starts rafting the oil platforms and cruise ships together
You need breakwaters, there's lots of working concepts that can make floating cities a reality, but they differ significantly from the wharf-oriented baseline of ship design, so maybe the solution is that in order to build a floating city, you must first build the floating city construction infrastructure to make the floating city? And maybe cargo airships can do that better than ships in the first instance, since we can ship the breakwaters and floating habitation sections more easily if we did not have to deal with offloading this stuff from a ship.
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We have Venice, we have a hundred different kinds living on villages build into the sea in Asia and South America but instead of looking into those structures and remaking them for the new purposes it's always the more curves and unused space the better. That's probably the problem. A square on a supporting structure (wood when not taken out of the water again prooved to be very good) with a few cubes on its sides wouldn't look as impressive but it would get the job done and instead of another area owned by "the rich" or even "common" western people with office jobs it would serve those seeking shelter
Venice is sinking, as in the city is actually pushing down into mud below the water.
@@kayakMike1000 Yup and has been for hundreds of years.
Exactly. Why look far into foreign countries when we have functioning architecture here in Asia?
as someone whos worked as a sailor, the absurd amount of maintinance on a weekly basis is very high, saltwater eats just about everything, and even with continius maintinance you still have to put ships into drydock for major overhauls. even if this could be built, i have a hard time seeing it as economically viable, especially for "normal" living
I don't even know how they'd manage the equivalent of hull maintenance tbh. Unless it's built VERY modular and they have modules specifically for their own version of drydocks, the sheer amount that would have to be done seems unsustainable for something where people are living
Well, your choices for hull material greatly expand when you design a stationary platform. It doesn't have to move, so weight isn't as much of a consideration. Venice sits on a platform of petrified wood for instance.
Kinda crazy to think the Venitians intuitively solved the sinking city problem we're having so many troubles with.
At least the salt to water ratio will go down if the ice melts
@@derrickmiles5240 Mexico was built in the middle of a lake, before the Europeans arrived
There is a floating concrete that could be used, or you can have fibre glass, metal wood even, but what ever is used it will need to be built in compartments sections under the water line, so if a leak do happen it can be pressurised and repaired by both inside and outside
Having lived on a small island for most of my life, the idea of floating cities honestly scares the shit out of me. You would have to have an extremely unique combination of compatible personalities for the whole thing to work.
Oh don't worry I'm sure the ones in charge will start running them like a cult once they get the residents cut off from the rest of the world. I mean most corporations are run like cults already. Hint if they call the company a "family" it's probably a cult, or trying to become one.
I lived on Prince of Wales Island Alaska for 10 years. I agree, the concept of living on isolated islands freaks me out. Conversely, I now live in Wyoming, maybe to offset my time on POW! 😂
I'm a landscape architect, so super sensitive to space. I couldn't do it!
More likely, and depending on how "COMMUNity" oriented it is, mandatory, enthusiastic contributions to society will be enforced at gunpoint.
An urban environment doesn’t require a limited set of personalities, and those smaller communities that do, find like minded people who move in, or they switch to other better fitting small community.
Came here to say just that.
Your opening was nuts. I loved it. As a person from a family of ship builders, I can say the sea city concept is very challenging. The hull that floats must be very strong and capable of surviving acidic, weather, and bio -based decay. It is going to be expensive. Now I will provide my totally nuts alternative and explain why I believe it is actually quite viable: an Antarctica City. In a nutshell, my reasoning is based on the extreme energy production potential of all-year super strong winds, ice as a building material, and the mineral-rich land. Remember the category 5 hurricane that last swept over Peurto Ricoh? Notice that in those images where all trees had their leaves removed and all power lines were down but those wind turbines still stood firm. We know how to build them even stronger and we know how to make them adjust for massive and sudden variations in wind strength. Antarctica has hurricane force winds all winter and very strong winds also in the rest of the year. This is not a downside--it's a huge advantage in that energy production is key to all kinds of industries. Further, ice as a building material offers a lot of potential. People may not realize this but it is a very efficient insulator. The cold outside makes it possible to keep it warm inside, including a nice room temperature. Further, ice can be transparent allowing in sunlight that plants like and keeping out harmful UV rays. I would run hot water tubes through the soil to keep vegetation going and to warm the air, as well. Imagine domed or tubular gardens. Further, the mineral wealth should provide for a metallurgic industry. The cold and winds outside also help with this, such as for tempering metals and blowing away waste gases. These metals can also be used to reenforce the city. Trade is the hardest part. The city must be build on land--not on a moving glacier. And you'd probably want a cable car system to move good to and from a docks that will only be useable during the southern summer months.
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One technology you ought to look into is ocean thermal energy conversion, or OTEC. It pulls up cold water from the deeps to the warmer surface, essentially creating a low-temperature steam engine. But the real benefit are the byproducts. In particular, it creates an artificial upwelling zone that enables local food production. For optimal efficiency, OTEC cities would be within 5 degrees of the Equator. Not only is this a meteorologically safe region (called "the Doldrums" for a reason), but it's also a biological desert so there'll be no environmental damage.
This isn't without its challenges, of course. An OTEC city is projected to take 7 years to grow and cost ~12 billion in setup costs. The economic infrastructure also merits with more planning. The proposed exports would be carotenoids, magnesium, algin fabric ("sea silk"), pearls, fish, and liquid hydrogen. However, informal research on my part revealed that one OTEC city could saturate the global carotenoid market, lowering prices and thus profits since this product would be a majority of the manufacturing sector's income. And of course, there's the question of who gets to live there.
This information is pulled from the book _The Millennial Project,_ though a better place to research current developments is the Living Universe Foundation's web site (under Aquarius). I hope you'll look into it and incorporate your findings into a follow-up video. I'm glad to see a critique of current projects that isn't a hit piece on the concept as a whole.
These billionaires and autocratic governments WISH they have what Renaissance Venice had.
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these houses ironically cost less than average canadian and australian houses.
@@NeostormXLMAX The prices are as real as the images.
what was it Venice had? enough money to build something impractical?
But, they do....
I'm not a naval engineer, but that turtle looks like it has an absurd amount of drag.
You're not wrong. The design has so many issues with it.
But it looks really cool! 😀
Like when we tried to have circular battleships.
Yeah but it's not going anywhere
But they have a Fiat 500 inside. ;-)
And no gas station for the single car on board.
You proposed the question "will the lagoon still protect the city if the sea level rises above it?". The short answer is yes, although to less of a degree. It still prevents major swells and hinders tsunami, though to a much less degree with the tsunami. There are other factors as well but the main point is that the sea level under and around it is much more shallow than a normal sea floor off a coast.
As an Economist, who's spent 5 years on the ocean, the whole concept is absurd.
This whole concept of the floating city, and Dami's suggestion of building these aquatic neighborhoods near urban centers on dry land, reminded me of a era in the history of my hometown of San Francisco. During the gold rush, so many people sailed into San Francisco bay that the harbor was filled with ships. The frenzy for gold was so great that often the crews would abandon the ships to strike it rich with the passengers they transported. The enterprising citizens of the city, now teaming with new people and lacking the resources to accommodate this rapidly growing population decided to use the empty ships as new sites for saloons, hotels and other establishments. Piers were built, extending the existing street grid to reach the floating business, and overtime the shallow waters of the bay were filled in, eventually turning what once was water into land. Evidence of this floating neighborhood can be found in the street names downtown, where First street, the street that followed the original shoreline, is now several blocks inland. The hulls of the century old boats can still be found buried under the surface of the urban landscape where big construction projects in the area have uncovered the remains of dozens of these ships.
One such boat, the Genesee, was the office of Joshua Norton prior to his catastrophic loss of fortune that led to him declaring himself Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico.
@@LarsBlitzer That's so cool! Emperor Norton is an iconic historical figure in the city, but I had never heard that he worked in one of those abandoned boats. Several years ago their was a online petition to name of the western span of the Bay Bridge after him, which I was rooting for. It ultimately went nowhere, but I did hear that a lot of his decrees that were often printed in the newspaper were made up, potentially including the one where he first proposed building what we today call the bay bridge. It's sort of sad to think that many of his eccentric ideas that he's celebrated for could have been completely fabricated, meant to take advantage of his status at the time as a well known local character. But another bit of fun San Francisco history to share is Carville! In the sand dunes off of Ocean Beach in what we now call the Sunset District, a bunch of old cable cars and trolley cars were abandoned, and over time enterprising citizens turned the cars into a beachside tiny home community of sorts. It's a funny bit of symmetry that each side of the city had a neighborhood of repurposed transportation vehicles turned into homes and businesses!
@@colinneagle4495I'm glad he's been celebrated locally and not just by fans of the unusual. I first heard of him via the Principia Discordia, when it was published by Games Workshop.
I wouldn't feel too bad about the made up quotes and proclamations attributed to him. From what I understand a goodly amount were written by Samuel Clemens when he was writing for the local paper, and used His Imperial Majesty as a mouthpiece to counter what he saw as wrongheadedness by local businessmen. I also believe the character of the King in Huckleberry Finn was based on him.
OMG! That's fascinating!
Bruh why everyone writing 69 page essays?
In the Netherlands we might not have fully floating cities, but we do have a bunch of floating homes.
And I don't mean house boats, which are quite common in the Netherlands, but full on homes floating on the water, more like floating neighborhoods than full cities.
I think the fact most floating cities are imagined as single megastructures is the main problem with those ideas. I think we need to look at how can we build floating neighborhoods, not to live in the ocean, but to allow the ground under the neighborhoods to flood therefore reducing the strain on damns and river embankments.
Covered in the video.
I grew up in Seattle, WA in the USA. we have the same thing. I had friends who lived in a houseboat. It was just a normal neighborhood floating on the water. It was cool, we liked going to her house for a sleepover. But it was more ‘normal house’ then people see on tv
Yeah, size is important and a floating house is flexible. These structures seems way too rigid.
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I've seen stuff like this in the American south as well.
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The maintenance costs hurt my head, in addition to everything else you said. It's bad enough maintaining a house on dry land, and the ocean ravages materials with salt water / galvanic corrosion and storm / wave damage. The idea that these places could somehow be tax free is hilarious, you would just call the taxes "strata fees" or something and they would be astronomical.
The American equivalent would be HOA fees, and they'd be at least a third of your income. I know the rule of thumb in boating is that you expect to pay 10% of the purchase price in maintenance each year and I can't see any of these cities being any different.
The biorock / 'green concrete' in the oceanix platforms really changes that dynamic, at least for the underwater section of the structure. It's a pretty fascinating material, at least in theory from what I've seen. Since these are structures and not 'boats' the design and construction paradigms are entirely different.
This is literally my first thought on seeing these projects as well. The best of these projects (the modular floating cities) would become a huge money sink of maintenance. The worst of these (the huge single-hulled ships like the Pangeos) would have a service life of a decade (two at most) before having to be decommissioned, and the clock for this would start ticking the second the ship is launched. That's not even mentioning the dangers of having a 'city' floating on top of a body of liquid during storm conditions.
Maybe instead of entertaining the floating bunker fantasies of billionaires, the money for these projects could be used for actually beneficial projects, like green energy, public transport, refugee relocation, or other projects that increase climate resiliance? Pretty much the only project which seems to actually have some degree of benefit for climate change is the Maldives one and, as Dami pointed out, these seem to just be vacation homes for the rich.
(Unless the Maldivian government's secret plan is to use the sale of these houses to attract investment to fund the project, and then seize the properties for their citizens when their islands sink under the ocean, in which case I fully support their plan and wish them all the success in the world in enacting it.)
All saudi mega projects are ridiculous stupid, are they never think about maintenance cost?
And cockles and algae...
Ships have copper paints on their hulls to repel algaes. Otherwise it soon becomes an issue (dragging, corrosion etc...)
That turtle city hurt my head , there is an exceptionally good reason why boats are the shape they are , given the distribution of weight over the surface area even a small wave would put a tremendous amount of stress on the structure snapping it into pieces, even living in those houses will be torture if you don't nail everything in place. And if you are thinking stationary city the foundation has be be elevated same as an oil rig to minimize the effect the sea will have on the structure as a whole. I don't know billionaires have lost their minds , instead of pumping so much money into creating a habitat they will most likely get tossed out off by the very people who built it if the apocalypse happen , maybe preserve the one we all have and share ?
I'm all for it, personally. If you're going to hedge your bets on a crackpot utopian plan to escape the devastation you helped cause, may as well give your big stupid island boat a flashy design.
yeah the billionaires are aware that they have a target on their backs, in an apocalypse people would generally clamber for a leader to take care of them, but they know they are useless parasites that have nothing to offer in a world where money doesn't exist. Seeing as it will be their fault the world ended, the real question would be why keep them alive at all. Here's a quote from an article about the ones building bunkers:
"This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from raiders as well as angry mobs. One had already secured a dozen Navy Seals to make their way to his compound if he gave them the right cue. But how would he pay the guards once even his crypto was worthless? What would stop the guards from eventually choosing their own leader?
The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers - if that technology could be developed “in time”."
Adam something did a dis video about it
Yeah, that one is just a bunch of cool cg images that don't make any sense if you spend any time thinking about it at all. It's like hyperloop in boat form.
"I don't know billionaires have lost their minds"
I think you know.
Floating city in an existing protected bay or harbor, probably attached to mainland city or support infrastructure, doable. Mid-ocean floating city able to withstand sea swells running up to about 60ft (18.2m), rouge waves, hurricane/cyclones/winter storms/tsunamis? With the designs in this video, not going to happen. Every one would be broken up by the repeated wave and wind action. There's a reason the floating oil rigs are round sticks, gives them high structural durability while allowing swells to buffet from any direction without affecting the force on the structure. Ship are different still. They can handle seas because they are constantly moving (when not in port), a ship with no power will sink amazingly quickly as soon as it's no longer taking waves in the direction it is designed to take them.
Sure, build pretty floating Lilypad's in the harbors and bays. But before you try to tackle open ocean cities ride a container ship or tanker back and fourth across the ocean in storm season a few times. Just to get an idea for the punishment the sea can dish out.
In a sence theirs on kind of floating city that works. There’s a converted cruse liner called Residensea or now “MS The World”, that a floating globe circling condominium. Some live on it full time, other use it as a vacation condo. But the point is cruise ships have a very short service life. Not that the wear out fast, but the tourists always go for the newer/bigger/flashier competitions. So perfectly sound cruise liners get sold for scrap after only a couple years … or they get sold as floating residence platforms to companies in remote areas. Either way they are fully capable seagoing vessels designed to sustain large numbers of people, with associated restaurants, entertainment, shopping. Like a floating high rise complex that could cruse the world, or stay docked in a city as a realestate development.
The idea of seasteading (or harbor/river steaming) this way may seem silly … but if a cheap (sold for scrap prices) ship, can’t make a go of being residences in a crowded city like New York, or London, or something. The idea of the custom floating mega structures being viable seems like complete fantasy.
>MS _The World_
Does time stop every so often there?
Everytime I hear of proposals about megastructures or just "environmental-friendly, *renewable resource-powered settlements," I quickly thought that the price tag would be the greatest deterrent.
Yep.
So long as money's involved, people will favor small scale stuff.
@@raylenn4444 another reason related to money is that if building the megaproject is really feasible, as compared to its alternative. Most of these projects are made up of far more complicated components and parts that are not in production, and need even more resources to reproduce. If the creation of the entire megaproject is fully assessed, the issue of maintenance and repair further increase the expenses, making people consider just outright abandoning it.
@@kimiyoshi1818 because it makes sense.
Even underwater cities would have these issues, tho would be more viable due to not being subjected to storms and and submersion waves unlike their floating counterparts.
A more viable alternative would be to aim for hobbit homes & dwarven mountain cities.
That is why the tax-free loophole is mentioned so frequent.
And of course you are not helping the neighboring country by not paying any taxes.
That's the same problem with people who try to foist environmental solutions on us before they are in a production state that's affordable. These people treat them as a one size fits all solution and who cares whether or not it's affordable to the people in the greatest need for this product.
This video reminds me so much of the video game Raft. In it, you eventually find an abandoned floating city called Tangaroa. You find message logs of the people in charge, trying to frame the place as a paradise against rising sea levels, while all the people actually running the floating city know that the entire operation is completely unsustainable. Both Raft and this video perfectly reflect the reality of "floating cities".
Just in case you didn't know, In Maori and Polynesian mythology, Tangaroa is the God of the Ocean.
@@BrickNewton That's a cool little detail that makes a lot of sense, specially considering the size of that thing in the game
I also thought about Raft when she started talking about low tech.
Two video games came to mind for me, as well: Brink, the short-lived Overwatch-style team shooter which took place on a floating city after global warming and warfare had claimed most landmasses; and, of course, Bioshock’s Rapture, which while underwater instead of floating atop it, was also intended to be a libertarian paradise…
@@DevinParker 15:29 Doesn’t this video reference Bioshock?
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This reminds me of a video I watched about Makoko in Lagos, Nigeria. It’s a lagoon floating city that might already hold 100k people. It’s a bit of an impoverished area, but the people were able to build it over decades/centuries without all the fancy stuff that these rich people conceptual designs have shown. Peter Thiel and all those rich libertarians might love it there. Apparently, Makoko has pretty weak government, but the people were able to self-organize to build schools, industries, and some community infrastructure. It’s a bit of an environmental disaster zone but still livable.
Thank you for sharing. It's appearntly called the Venice of Africa and is a proper grassroots shanty town. That Wikipedia page is short and a bit depressing tho...
It's going to be so strange seeing people try and fail to do that in international waters.
Intriguing.
I was about to say this, but I don’t know what you mean by “livable”. It’s Massive and proper sanitation is a major issue. 😢
We already built a floating city - the set of Waterworld. It wasn't exactly a fully functional city, but even as a set was unbelievably expensive and hard to maintain. Imagine the cost associated with keeping such a structure afloat.
It actually sank once.
They should just build them as barges with various modular functions, that are never permanently anchored, they can attach and detach from each other fairly easily, and move from place to place. They would be tethered most of the time, but could move around as needed, so like if you needed housing more in one area and less where a housing structure happens to be, it could just pick up and move over there instead. Individual units could even be traded in and out, like they do when building cruise ships. The underlying "boat" part would have high costs, but the things built on top of it could be more affordable.
Thanks, this answers my many questions about why we haven't built any yet!
Basically, good idea on paper doesn't necessarily equate to good idea in reality. There were boat people communites in various parts of the world and they practically lived and died on the boats and just came to land to trade and get resources, so techincally a fleet or massive amounts of boats could amount to a floating village or city, but would ultimately rely on resources from land to be sustainable. I wonder if it took a combined appraoch to combine ocean farming and planting coral reefs would work?
I'd say it's less of "good idea on paper" and more "it looks impressive on a 3D render so we have better chance of having people invest in us and/or buy our NFTs".
I live and work at Halong bay for a few years, and there are floating settlement in the bay itself, with housing, dock, shop, ...etc... but there were never anything close to self sustaining. Even the residents never have the slightest intention to have their life completely independent off the main land, they make frequent trips daily for buying supply, seeling goods and other activities.
"they make frequent trips daily for buying supply, seeling goods and other activities." Is that selling goods or sealing goods as the place leaks? ;-)
I visited one of these villages and the guide told us that one issue was all the waste dumped in the bay, consequently there is a long term plan to get rid of them, all the kids go to school on land and there are houses ready for families to move in, the idea is basically that the young won't want to stay in the floating villages when they can live on land instead.
I just stumbled upon your channel! In love.
Have you ever considered covering underground cities à la “City of Ember” or Hugh Howey “Wool”?
Just discovered your channel. This was a wonderful introduction for me. Well done!
Love that this was published at the same time as Adam Something's video on PANGEOS, completely debunking this joke of a proposal.
Yes. And I've neven even heared of that project before I saw the Adam Something video. And now I hear about it twice on a single day.
Two different takes from two TH-camrs I enjoy!
Ah yes, adam something, part of the self-terminating cult of breadtubers
@@Window4503 i think the final takes on both videos are similar. THey both point out how these projects that are advertised to help climate refugees of poorer economic strata, without any place for them in the porposals.
@@jezusbloodie I'm sure the poor tired masses can easily pay for top dollar floating island real estate. That'll solve it!
The thing about Busan is that it's a pretty stable spot to build a floating city. It rarely has any big waves at all. Japan takes the blunt force of the pacific ocean's energy from the East and South East. Any tsunami that triggers in the ocean also hits Japan and never reaches Korea. While there is a strong current in the Korean straight it's pretty much manageable with just anchoring. There are typhoons but generally because the seas around Korea are quite cold, they tend to lose energy fast usually hitting other large land masses 1st before generally landing on Busan. I don't think I've seen anything above a category 2~3 hit Korea.
Korea has a dwindling population and lots of undeveloped land.
No reason to make overpriced, over complicated floating cities
@@JohnSmith-op7ls In large cities like Busan there is no undeveloped land left other than on the outskirts past the bordering mountains that surround the city. But right there is generally is no need for it. It would be more of an engineering flex/tourist attraction if anything because they wanted it for the Worlds Fair. But it does make more sense to try to build a testing stage in a densely populated city like Busan overall because it would be more sustainable funding wise and geographically as mentioned.
strait.
I hope that Busan's aspirations don't radically change the sea ecosystem, as the best sushi in the world is not in Japan, but in Busan. Yum!
@@brianbatie6650 For the most part they would probably build in inlet area connected to the city, they don't fish there. Usually much farther out to sea. The best actually for raw seafood (Hwae) are smaller coastal cities to the west of Busan like Yeosu or in the Jeolla province. Unlimited tuna sashimi bars are the best anywhere.
I keep getting stunned by the production value of your videos. Absolutely amazing. Please keep doing what you do.
First video im watching of yours. It's genuinely amazing editing :)
this is interesting, it reminds me of an anime called Suisei no Gargantia, its about a futuristic earth when the polar ice caps melted and the surviving people lives on interconnected ships, boats and floating platforms to form they called fleets.
well damn, thanks for the recommendation!
that sounds really cool - have to check it out : where can i watch it ? 🎉
that's interesting, I would check that out
I’ve had this anime’s opening stuck in my head for days and just came across this comment… my true sign to continue it
the comment right above u suggested something similar
The problem with all of these is that designers and planners looking at it from TOP to bottom, instead of BOTTOM to top. If anyone ever have doubts about can we life in 'floating cities'; the answer is YES, WE CAN. Take a look at my country, Philippines. Here, we have villages build on top of water. Sure, they don't have desalination, energy security etc etc etc but they living in it. Granted, most of it is still connected to a land; farms and such is much easier to do on land tbf. But homes, they build it over the sea. Not to mention, problems such as sanitation, waste management, etc yes there is something to be done.
However, the thoughts of these hi-tech floating cities being sustainable is also misleading. Misleading because the TOP-DOWN view skews the amount people need to live in floating houses. What they need to do instead is to visit these coastal floating houses here and take a look at what problem comes from living in floating houses like these; solve the problem of sanitation, waste management, and stuff and stuff. THAT is going to give much more benefit for ACTUALLY building a modern, technological floating villages for our future. A lot of those project renders put cars in it; NO, use boats, yo! You live over water, the 'transporation infrastructure' is already there, 'build' by nature! Yeah, the problem with all of these modern project is in tl;dr people just wanted to 'move' modern cities into water, which is something of a crazy idea. Crazy bad, not crazy good.
That's it from me. And as always, I love your awesome videos!
These people simply think that whole world is like Monaco.😂
Instead
More than 70% are avg earning group in a city.
Now imagine a city with just elites roaming around. This is the reason why many of the neom cities will fail.
What communities are you talking about in the Philippines? Are you talking about the Badjao villages, rickety bamboo huts constructed over beaches and reaching a few dozen meters out into the water? Hardly something to aspire to.
Also, FYI... of course one would still need cars, yo... unless you’re going to live for the rest of your life in this small village. No going outside for shopping? Medical care? Vacation? Visiting family and friends? The day I restrict my travel to a
@@johnlacey3857 Ever heard of public transit?
And those communities stink to high heaven because the sewerage is pumped straight into the water underneath !!!
@@LT-dn7mt You aren't wrong at all, getting any form of transportation infrastructure would be generally hard on water, cars too, even if cars were a possibility, heavy duty vehicles wouldn't, which would be one of the only reasons to even think about having car infrastructure, since the logistical importance of heavy duty freighter vehicles is much greater than that of civilian transportation.
Original comment I gave was more so in response to the first comment who made it seem like cars in general are an absolute necessity in every day life, yes they are a good transportation tool, but it isn't like there isn't any alternative to them either, hence public transit (Especially with his example of vacation, as most vacations are usually planed with public transit in mind).
Always enjoy bumping into these. Thanks for producing them.
The biggest problem with these is that they are always based on a word salad if ideas to create Utopia.
The first step is enginnering a Server farm that is cooled with seawater. The biggest cost of server farms is the electricity for the ac units to cool the equipment.
To keep from putting dangerously hot seawater back in the ocean would require 2 loops (actually 3 but we'll get to that).
The primary loop would be heated by the servers and other electronics. This hot water (alcohol or other liquid) would be to a heat exchanger that would be another loop (lets call it the heating loop) used to provide hot fresh water, heat or possibly steam to run steam generators. Another possibility is distilling seawater to create fresh water and salt as a by product.
Any heat left over in the primary loop would go to a heat exchanger cooled by sea water. This cooled water would then go back to be heated by servers and electronics, completing the loop.
The city would have every roof covered with solar panels. Under water would be generators that work from the ocean swell. No ugly and impracticle conventional wind turbines.
The server farm would mean that the city needs to be close to underwater internet fiber cables, something the citizens will appreciate.
These server farms would be the backbone of the city. They woukd be built by large corporations such as Amazon, Google (Alphabet) and Micrsoft. Why would they spend billions? They already are.
In exchange for building these infrastructures these corporations would be given a large discount on the server farms income tax for several decades. These cities would be outside of national politics.
Corporate income taxes would be high, but corporations investing in infrastructure would get discounts on both property tax and income tax. There would be no individual income tax only property and sales taxes.
Each such large facility would be owned by a corporation would be filed in the city were law would require that the outside corporation holds 51% of the stock with the other 49% sold and traded at the city stock market.
This means that the city starts with a demand for high tech jobs and financial jobs which will attract more outside corporations to fill various niches, from transportation, to utilities, to entertainment, to retail and more.
All if this would require a strong city bylaw, a strong leadership. They would grow up offshore outside national bounderies and near current/future internet fiber.
You always make me act like I need to unblur my vision, even when I'm not wearing glasses.
@potatomatop9326 what do you mean?! Sincere question, I wear glasses too
@@rdrgz6217 Watching her eyes move when she talks just makes me want to copy them
On the next episode of Criminal Minds
Best comment I've seen
Because almost every clip is blurred on the corners and focused in the middle. Even the writing. It's an interesting style and makes things pop out and more neater.
Urine beverage was not what I expected for an intro to one of your vids damn
_Jarate!_
These cities as solutions to problems remind me of cold fusion as an energy solution. Also, as someone who served with the USN on a large ship during a hurricane, these people have no idea what being in an ocean full of 5 story waves is like.
Big applause to you and your team! This video is super interesting and d informative. Also that plug for Dropbox is the best ad I’ve ever seen. So well done!
Perhaps not quite a city, but the biggest cruise ships today feel like a small town when you're onboard one.
5:38 yes, it will still function because waves do not break on the surface, they 'stumble' over the ocean floor which retains its shape underwater so replacing them with floating barriers works just as well to catch the leftovers and may even be used to build tidal powerplants.
wasn't she talking about sea level rising
I love these concepts and its one of the reasons why i felt endeared by Jacque Fresco's The Venus Project, his vision was indeed a fully selfsustaining city. He sadly passed back in 2017 and it's been rather quiet on that front ever since.
I'd love to see you dive into the prosperity and or challenges of his project, vision and where it potentially is today.
I genuinely appreciate these videos of yours.
I love your videos! Thanks to the team for this one 😊
I just discovered your site and now I'm going through your earlier vids. Great topics and social commentaries. When i was younger i wanted to be an architect but ended up in graphic design. As a admirer of architecture still, your site and insights in this field is quite refreshing
In the book Helldivers (nothing to do with the videogame) humanity uses nuclear and electrical powered airships. Most people live in sqaular in the lower decks. The interesting part the author mentions is everyone who living on these airships were descendants of soilders and high ranking government officials. Most of humanity is unaware of their lineage. The captain of a airship reflects on the fact that the lower decks is unaware how their ancestors were once the special few selected to live on the ship. She finds it ironic and sad, and if they find away to survive this nuclear wasteland it will probably be the soilders and upper deckers who carry on again.
the production quality of your video's are super good and entertaining - i had no interest in the subject matter but you were able to keep me watching. good job
I just found your channel and it is very interesting and very well-presented. Examining futuristic and utopian architecture schemes is fascinating. It seems that architects have long believed they could create ideal places by means of the built environment (spoiler alert: they tend to forget about human nature). Floating "cities" are not new, but they seem to be boat communities attached to landed cities. Building polders and reclaimed-land islands seems more practical than the high-tech projects you describe. All are wildly expensive! I agree with other posters that these small, engineered cities could be a nightmare to live in with just a few difficult residents.
It reminds me when I played Minecraft trying to build an functional aquatic structure, which had nowhere to 'mine', so I eventually had to build them on shore to do mining things on the land.
You can definitely do ocean-only Minecraft. I played it for a while that way, during a phase I went through where I was trying to use artificial challenges to force me to engage with parts the game I didn't usually engage with. To mine, you wind up needing to use doors as air sources underwater, dig down, and then put in a ceiling to create an air pocket. After that, you can keep digging down. I used a spiral staircase design with a water column in the middle for moving quickly up and down. I also wound up needing to make a spawning platform to get string for a bed and fishing rods. I got saplings by trading emeralds found in sunken ships with the wandering trader. Caves were a nightmare because with nowhere to spawn on the surface, they'd spawn so, so many mobs. It was a fun run, although filled with a lot of fishing.
@@purplecat4977 So true, ocean-only challenge maybe an attractive way to play Minecraft, and building a sand pillar should've also serve for a nice vertical corridor. Actually what I found out was that the coal and iron spawning layers were replaced by the water block which simply means loss of iron (unless I build that iron golem farm), and the uneven seabed caused my mineshaft flooding frequently, which was simply tedious. Anyway the ocean biome had a nice flat area to build bigger structures on, so eventually I did hydroponics on the water, and mining on the land.
@@Weltrathsel I was messing around in one of the larger caves, and those spawn a lot of iron and coal (but also a lot of mobs). I also got a weird amount of iron from melting down items I fished up. Luck of the sea and a night spent fishing turns up some pretty crazy stuff.
@@purplecat4977bedrock doors: *the trolling has begun*
In the "Video I Didn't Know I Wanted" category, this one takes top spot, easy. Thanks for it and keep them coming. Even the intro to your sponsor was entertaining. Well done.
ITS INSANE
Pretty, intelligent and very well articulated. Not only I'm invested on just watching the Dami, I'm also learning new things every day
Alright simmer down now
Part of the problem is that these cities don’t really take manufacturing and logistics into account. How do you get goods from point A to point B to point C to point D to that fancy restaurant you want to eat at. This is something I’ve seen with all these “futuristic cities” that have been designed. I guess some of it comes from that same fallacy that “food comes from the grocery store, duh”. The products we use and food we eat goes through quite a lot before we get it and if you want something to be self sustaining while keeping the same quality of life you had before, there’s a lot that needs to happen.
"privatized" government is explicitly *NOT* "chosen by the people"... if you don't understand the difference between Public & Private, you're being misleading on this point
Well, you can't really have a tax-evading haven with a government?
These projects are just like the Dubai island-things: flashy new toys for the rich. And now with tax-fraud as a service.
I don't think she meant that sincerely - she was reading the sales pitch for each project before deconstructing its issues from an architectural standpoint, with the result that all of the pitches come across as a little sarcastic because the pattern establishes that none of them are as flawless as advertised. Some of them would also suffer for non-architectural reasons (like privatisation), but it's a little beyond the scope of her channel.
It is when you have freedom of movement. When you don't like the laws of any particular island, you can just move to another. Disregarding the "economic refugee" ideas, for wealthy individuals these concept do make a lot of sense.
Whether it's getting experimental medical treatments that are heavily regulated elsewhere or just trying out new organizational frameworks/paradigms, having a larger number of independent legislative entities can only be a good thing when you can leave and choose another entity whenever you want.
Salutations Dami Lee!
Some of the most important aspects of a city on the ocean are resources; fresh water, raw materials, fresh vegetables and grains, and other food items such as beef, pork, poultry, and fish.
Mineral resources as well are important for a sustainable city or colony on the ocean, and sewage treatment must also be taken into consideration as well as energy production also. Such a project might be more feasible on a lake even, which might be an easier place to experiment with than the ocean, to begin with.
There is a huge project in Dubai that you left out of this video, that is attempting to tackle some of the obstacles that have kept many of these projects from being started, and at great expense they have attempted to build up land to build upon from the sands of the surrounding sea.
Other locations where floating villages could be of use, are places where flooding is already a hazard, such as in floodplains along major waterways and large rivers, or wherever floods occur regularly due to heavy rainfall or quickly melting snow packs, such as is happening in many areas across the United States and in California recently, due to changing weather patterns. Many areas in Europe have also experienced flooding due to changing weather patterns as well, floating villages and cities could augment the existing infrastructure and help alleviate the impact of flooding in some of those areas. Florida could also make use of such technology, and funding for such projects could be obtained from many of the more wealthy residents who could more easily afford such housing projects.
This is a fascinating subject.
I would like to see some of these projects being put into use.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and posting this video!
Please have an excellent and awesome day!
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There are tons of cities on lake and on rivers but they are for poor people. They are not vanity project for autocrats. You don't understand the start-up economy. You make a pitch to a hedge fund manager that value your idea and then wish to sell his participation to your project at someone else at an higher price, who wish to sell his participation at an higher price and so on until the bust. That's the business model of 99% of these "innovative" project...
Carbohydrates are not an essential food group; meaning, you can safely eliminate grains from your diet entirely.
Additionally, you mentioned nothing about desalination; boiling ocean water (Salt Water, Sodium Hydrochloride) will generate 3 byproducts: Salt, Water, and Chlorine Gas, one of which (Chlorine Gas) is way more harmful to humans than the others.
Beef and Pork are both Red Meat, as are certain varieties of Fish; Poultry and most Fish are White Meat; this means you can remove certain redundancies from the diet; however, chelation therapy will be regularly required to remove the mercury and other heavy metals from the system of the inhabitants (the treatment can easily get snuck into their food without them noticing), due to fish commonly accruing large amounts of fat soluble mercury in the fish oils (a common problem even today).
Raw materials are primarily only a concern for repairing the structure itself; this is due to all inhabitants understanding that they require performing regular maintenance on their equipment to ensure nothing they own breaks, emphasizing self-sustainability at the individual level as well as at the household level and at the community level.
The most difficult portion of building these communities is that the people who can survive living on these communities long-term are all self-sustaining in all aspects of their life; those who are not self-sustaining at the community level will eventually find themselves either vulnerable, or helpless, or both vulnerable and helpless; this is why these floating cities are going to primarily be self-governed: because the entire community will already be more united than most states in the USA, or even most states in the world.
The intro animation was sick! 🔥 Kudos to your team for these illustrative explanations.
Issues with these "floating cities"
1. Natural disasters
2. People pollute/disregard the environment and litter (Pacific's floating trash island that travels around)
3. Maintenance of these structures would be even more dangerous for those that have similar jobs on i.e oil rigs, super tankers
4. Resources to maintain and build
there's more that can be name but I cannot think of any right off bat
NGL, that intro looked like a collaboration with Adam Something. What makes it funnier is that I come from HIS video on the same subject... which made me spit my (non-recycled) water.
That said, from a serious perspective, it is a very interesting topic when seen from the vanity/money making side.
Like arcologies, the only reason they would be viable is necessity. And we should dread the conditions that make such things necessary.
PD: Hey, Dami, maybe you and Adam should make a collab video next time you are tackling another thing like floating cities, mega towers, line buildings, or other absurd architecture pipe-dreams.
If a floating city doesn't won't work, just go fully underwater. We can call it Rapture! Oh, wait.... sm
I just love listening to these, she’s so smart and has a wonderful personality!
The Maldives project, with the Canada and all the colorful buildings, remind me of Curaçao, specifically the city center Willemstad.
For Oceanix project, will it really be a floating city if its fixed to the sea bed though?
The only people I talked to really interested in this were rich (usually crypto rich) and their motivation was to not pay taxes.
Incorrect calculation in my mind because clearly these "cities" are uber expensive not only to build but also to maintain, so taxes will definitely be needed. Then you have to bring a lot of stuff to them, they're in no way self sustaining.
I'd like to see a design that is very clear on how they can last, for example how do you maintain/repair/replace the hull after decades so that the city can last centuries.
I think the main problem is there is no workplace for everybody on a ship. Cities appear aroud some industial complex, that needs thousands of workers . A ship with just living quarters will never become a city. Drive a few miles away from your town and think why people dont live there, usually its because there is no workplace for them. Only farmers can survive away from big cities, but they dont form cities, they need land for farming.
Lol, the "taxes" would be the world's worst HOA!
"Your dock is six inches too long. I don't care if it costs you $20k to move the support posts that six inches, you have to do it, or I sue you to bankruptcy!"
The appeal is for the super rich. Taxes could be a flat million dollars each and still be less than they'd pay in a civilized place.
I think one way to get around the cost element for the Maldives would be to make floating platforms that would be cheaper than complete houses. Just let the people build what they want on these platforms. As far as rising sea levels for these platforms in the lagoons, we have built islands before. Just pile more sand on top of what is there. It may not be the cheapest thing, but it is doable.
i just love DamiLee haha! a beautiful woman geeking out in architecture, thank you for your videos!
Demi can you do an analysis of habitat 67 like they even made a unreal engine model of its original and current design
Yeah that could be a good one!
@@DamiLeeArch thanks and as always awesome and fascinating video
The problem with “closed systems “ is that there is no freedom. Free people do not want to become termites in the service of some corporate type. Methinks.
You'd always have the freedom to leave that system for another (whether another closed one, or an open one)...
I've never watched a DamiLee video until now. This is quite a start. 🙂
You’re videos are so good! Thank you!
Architecture channel with the greatest editing and content effort on YT, congratulations..
The joke about boats is that they're a hole in the water into which you toss vast sums of money
Me gusta que tienes una postura neutra y eres de pensamiento crítico.
Yo también soy arquitecto y estoy un poco cansado de los mega proyectos conceptuales como el de Arabia que se llama "The Line " entre otros proyectos, que solamente están impulsados por caprichos arquitectónicos, en fin...
¡Me encanta tu contenido, ojalá TH-cam estuviera lleno videos como los tuyos!
Saludos desde México
Including that shot from a Bioshock cutscene at the end 14:56 was brilliant - great analogy!
Where do they keep the bugs?
...the venus project...that seems a sensible start , what you think ?
venus project is like Corbusier building: too loud, too simply for livin with exciting, life become a hell after 1 generation, it's doesn't thinkin in time, just space. but it's a good begin of a solution.
The so called "Venus Project" was just one old man drawing pretty pictures and dreaming of communism run by supercomputers. He's dead now, so the "Venus Project" is even less serious than it was before.
Lately the monsoon seasons have been unpredictable in the Maldives, a tidal surge last year around July- August crashed into the Male' Hulhumale bridge onto the incoming traffic. Swept the cars and motorcycles across with the wave. Let's talk about the sand erosions, unusual sea level rise. Last I saw in Male' the capital city it was literaly 1-2 above in the highest tide. A floating city sounds like the opposite of a heavy duty building built to last. Salt water is very corrosive and eventually it will eat its way up.
I hope that the SF Bay Area along with the Netherlands could be one of the few good places for the modular version. We have a bay and delta with plenty of shallow areas these could be anchored on. Waves are a minor concern bc we only have one small channel connecting us to the ocean. Hopefully the pillars in the bay could be used to anchor native sea grasses to and expand the wetlands expanding protection for the shore line. Furthermore we are one of the few places the economics work out $250,000 single family homes with water access would be a god send and would help us stave off development on our limited wild lands
Just an addition. We already have a low lying artificial island called treasure island. Building a bunch of these with attached wetlands would do a lot to protect treasure island
Adam something colab?
Why collab with some self terminating breadtube cultists?
I hope.
Peter Thiel's group is just about the opposite of a basis for doing anything remotely beneficial for society as a whole - or even in part. It's about rich guys fleeing governments for the benefit of these rich guys. The bulk of these sea-living proposals are similarly self-serving and unworkable at any scale. That's before we get to the practical considerations you discuss at length that make these proposals and their like nonstarters - or, at best, nonfinishers.
I would think that the best place for a floating nation would be at one of the garbage patches. You wouldn't have to be anchored and your sea nation would be fairly centralized to a specific area which is in in shipping lanes.
I don't know if the booklet sales actually go through, but what a great way for vertical integration of content. It's genius.
billionaires/trillionaires proposing incredible infrastructures seeking investments for technology that barely exists ... to help climate refugees? Really? people fell for that?
yes, importing more to remote islands, creating housing with more maintainance, these will surely help resource constraints and "save the environment"
My guess is you would have to reinforce your lagoon that is inside your island with a large scale sea wall built on the island designed to resist their eventual flooding probably with large anchoring supports being driven deep enough to not have to worry too much about the land shifts caused by the water.
I was living in Seattle in 1990 when the I-90 floating bridge (which fortunately was closed for maintenance at the time), Nobody at the time really thought much about it being a "FLOATING bridge". IF IT FLOATS, IT CAN SINK.
I know people often live on houseboats, yachts, or even smaller sailboats, but I hope no one tries to design an entire city as one unit that can sink. The homes need to be kept individual, so that if one sinks, it's sad, but not a tragedy that would result by the whole damn thing sinking.
There are a lot of people who live in houseboats. Some sort of "floating city" already sort of exists, in the form of clusters of houseboats and yachts. But I'm skeptical of floating cities that are totally self-sufficient. Maybe some of these concepts might work eventually--regulatory hurdles, investment issues--and I think they would need to connect to the nearest city in a way such that people can commute to employers and shop as needed.
Would there be room for people to have a car? Or would they have to boat over, then transfer to bus or rail? There are plenty of people who drive to the ferry landing on peninsulas or islands, take a half-hour to an hour over on the ferry, and then have to bus yet further.
Floating cities do exist... BUT they are based around individual communities... small groups of boats and platforms gathered. They are often on lakes and rivers rather then open ocean but in some cases if its a sheltered bay sure.
Usually starting with a few house boats, more and more boats gather, often in no order... with barges being built up as medical clinics or such... some houses may be built on silts while others remain floating. Stores, especially restaurants may be fixed, but often its a single or 2 people on a small boat that moves around the area calling out their goods or foods. Then pulling up to a boat and cooking a meal right on the spot.
The problem is, in communities like this,waste is often just dumped into the water.
It is possible to build up a community with "infrastructure barges" Maybe a power barge to offer "shore power" via either solar, or wind turbine power, with gas backup. Its possible to have a water purification barge... even a waste water treatment barge... but these all cost money to build and maintain.. however. with a standardization. and maybe the use of jackbarges... you could build a modular floating town where needed
maldives is such underrated and beutiful country (not just the tourist beach resorts), and am so excited for this future that adds on to the maldivian culture.
I like seeing hexagons in design because it makes me feel connected to nature. Like bee hives and honeycombs.
There are some examples of old sustainable tech based floating structure community that have been there for a while. For instance : Uros Islands on Titicaca. It would be interesting to have it explored on this channel like the Kowloon walled city was.
I really love your optimism😊
Awesome editing Dami!!!
I like the continued pursuit of the idea of floating cities.. there is a lot in common with the ideas of a self sustaining colony on Mars. I wonder if there are many thoughts of creating a submerged underwater city instead, maybe much less issues of bad weather? and its "anchored" to the sea floor. I think I saw a proposal by the grandson of the illustrious Jacques Cousteau for an undersea "skylab" .. hope that gets going..
You mentioned a main point that we do not have this kind of synergy on land, there is no way they can make it on the water. It is another example of people ignoring the problems we currently have and trying to move forward anyway. This adds any new issues that come up to those already in existence.
Man as impossible as they might seem I just love mega structure projects. The idea of mastering Nature to that point just fills me with awe
This whole concept seems extremely absurd to me. Being from Argentina, where there’s way too much land and too few people, the idea of creating new land over the ocean or trying to live on top of it makes no sense, at least not as a necessity, but rather as a luxury or whim. South America in general, but specially here in the southern countries (Bolivia, Argentina, Uruguay, etc) there’s a lot of land, you can drive for hours and still not come across a human settlement. And we are not talking about the Sahara or inhospitable land, but regular land with fresh water availability and fertile soil, a lot of it is grassland. I live in Buenos Aires so I don’t feel the emptiness at all, but sometimes I think about it, about the people who live in other parts of the country and I just can’t help but feel overwhelmed by the feeling of vastness, emptiness and isolation. Buenos Aires is already very isolated from the rest of the world, imagine being somewhere more remote, spooky.
awesome content. I love your projects so much, wish you the best. One question!!! Have you ever received copyright issues as you use project pictures and videos from movies, animes, and other projects?
I think my vision is actually similar to Dogen city, but it could more achievable my way. I’d use medium sized cargo barges to start with, modify the hulls to have thicker walls and more air gapped spaces in case of a rupture. Then weld and bolt them together to form a larger octagon, then fill in the middle some way. After the base is formed, use prepared shipping containers for living quarters, system controls, power stations and battery storage, sewage recycling. Use solar, wind and wave generators for power, or nuclear. We’d be able to stack enough containers for 20,000+ people. Then anchor it on the west coast of South America, less chance of hurricanes down there.