Exactly. However there is a European psychological conditioning to the two tone siren that must be quite alarming to the average European. The problem with New York City is extreme distracted driving and drivers who do not follow basic traffic laws. The problem is there is not enough aggressive enforcement of the laws. This is not a problem in LA or Seattle yet they to have super heavy traffic nonstop.
With the gridlock that is basically permanent in NYC, cars are never getting out of the way to begin with. A lot of US cities have seriously terrible road design. As if the roads were laid out in such a way that they'd cause maximum gridlock with minimal cause.
Fermitu Poupon gridlock is caused 100% by impatient drivers. If drivers paid more attention and waited until there was room to go through the intersection, gridlock wouldn’t occur. But of course NYC drivers are notoriously a-holes so this probably won’t be fixed until we have self driving vehicles.
Police sirens are designed to sound loud and scary that way people will move out of the way. This is exactly why new york adapted the rumbler siren. Adapting this european style siren will only delay response times within a city that already has massive amounts of traffic, and it would counteract the semi-recent decision to adapt the rumbler siren.
our city has changed and it works out well they only use another high/ deep tri-tone when they get close to a intersection.... it works out better to let people know to STOP at the intersection
6.0blow 99 that’s not true because here in the uk we use a combination of both styles and the vehicles that use the American style cars move over a lot sooner than the European style sirens
stop always saying that "UK is not Europe" because is island etc..Yeaaa 20 kilometers of water is galactic border between Europe and Great Magnificient World of english peoples
@one love-one ark i was just about to say im epileptic and i have to look away. Lights like that hurt my head and I feel like im about to seize. Survived 12 bad seizure falls though. Still kicking tho. Here for a good time not a long time haha
Not offended. I live about 6-700 meters from a hospital (the biggest in my country) myself. I really appreciate that the ambulance drivers often lower the volume or completely turn of the siren (so lights only), when possible. They pretty much only turn on the sound when they are going over an intersection or somebody is in their way, when it's late.
@@cmck2009 Not offended at all. Like i said, i just appreciate that the drivers turns off their sirens when possible, allowing me to sleep without interruptions most nights.
John Halsey New York City in general is a shitshow. The politics are dumbfounding. And I can guarantee that emergency response times are going to increase by switching siren tones. They already don’t move as it is for the louder American systems. What makes you think they’ll move quicker with a European system? New York City officials and citizens have utterly lost their minds
tbh us eu citizen in fact get spooked as soo, as we seen blue flashing lights (moment we see the lights or hear there siren we check where its coming from and slow down or make space where they need to move
@@57thorns That's actually not even close to true. I'm an EMT. We run lights only if the patient is not a trauma patient or in high risk. If the patient is in pain or sick we'll run lights to get them to the hospital quickly but no sirens as they arent in as high of a priority as a trauma patient.
Indeed, in fact, the London Ambulance Service and a many other first response organisations in the UK install very high-powered siren speakers on their vehicles, which means that the siren produces a sharp, piercing, and loud sound.
Because European sirens say:"hallo, sorry to bother you but would you mind giving way sometimes?" American sirens are like: "GET THE F*** OUT OF THE WAY NOW!!!!!"
France is slightly starting to add american sirens into their ambulances, and it sounds pretty cool ! Please don't get rid of those in NYC, it would be a big iconic and practical loss
Aren’t both styles just able to be programmed with a software update to the Motorola system? They just change the region setting and voila they can switch back and forth.
this is a totally different story compared to what they said in Europe 2 months ago. they said a lot of people can't hear the sirens from far enough even though they're louder or it doesn't draw their attention as quick. love getting a completely different story from every single source
True, but it is in Paris, the problem isn't than people aren't hearing, it's than French, especially from Paris are bad and selfish drivers, they put american siren to turn them on at a over high level to scar this idiots. In this case, it isn't a siren issue, it is a drivers issue.
Before responding to any emergency, responders will be required to submit an environmental impact study, conduct interviews of all people who could potentially be on the route taken and obtain written permission from all tenant HOAs. After a 90 day "Cooling off Period" all people potentially affected would be reinterviewed. If at least 75 percent respond positively, the emergency run can be made. The responders will also be required to speak respectfully to any homeless people along the route and consume one portion of locally sourced vegetables.
You know that changing the sirens is not the same as you described it. It will still have the attention which need to be to get through traffic, but in an much gentle tone which is still alert people.
@@andmos1001 If it was your loved one lying on the floor with with 90 to 120 seconds meaning the difference between living, a brain injury or death, which type of siren would you like them to use?
@@ericwoytasek269Frankly, it could be neither one of them. Even if Europe has an softer siren, it still get the attention where it matters the most: AKA the traffic. You don't hear the NYC sirens from 13 floors up. Heck, i live on 4th floor, and the sirens Reach my floor with minor nucance. With 90- 120 secound to live, one will allready be dead by the time Medical emergency has gone up to said 13th floor.
Yep, living in the city, you get used to the noise. I was sleeping on major streets of Canada's biggest cities (and I mean, literally, on the sidewalk) and I slept just fine. Its all about adapting. Now that I have a regular life in the suburbs, I couldn't imagine going back to live in any big cities. Love the calm here.
Same. I live in San Diego and the police sirens are nothing anymore. Of course I get out of the way but they don't phase me at all. Just like birds chirping
I live in upstate NY, and I love sirens. They don’t bother me at all, and I love hearing a trooper or a fire truck blast down the main road with their sirens on. And hey, it works. I’ve never seen a person not get out of the way for one of them
Worst idea ever. If a loud siren does not get anyone out of the way, a softer siren will just be useless. Noise is not the problem here, it's the attention and scare that the siren should give to people, so that they can get out of the way or potentially scare off the criminals from a distance. A siren like that, will legit be useless. Listen to Italy's sirens, they're just plain annoying garbage. American sirens at least ain't garbage and use different tactics, like the rumbler to get people's attention. People don't like the noise? Get used to it if you want to live there. Anytime when I'm in Europe, I barely notice the sirens, while back home in Canada, I still jump everytime I hear a firetrucks air horn, that's how you know it works.
And this is how I know you do not leave in a major city center. In Europe they use that sirens and the response time is equal. So the only difference is the noise pollution.
Mikel Sopelana Durango- well from the articles that I've read in the last 30 or so minutes, response times in the U.S average at around 8-9 minutes, 3-4 for critical emergencies and around 10-12 for non emergencies. In Europe and parts of Australia, I've seen response times around 10-12 minutes on average. In some parts it may be different but I think that changing a siren also has a mental attitude linked to it. People in Europe have most likely grown used to the use of Hi-Lo sirens and European sirens in general. People in America and Canada have grown used to American sirens, such as Rumbler, Wail, Yelp, and Q sirens on firetrucks. So I think that when adding new sirens, especially in NYC, the drivers aren't going to move out of the way as much, not getting used to the new and quieter siren. And from personal experience, I think that if a siren is loud and dramatic, such as a rumbler with a constant airhorn, it makes drivers move out of the way more because they think that something serious is happening. So idk I guess it is all based upon accustoms and responses.
@@ehabb709 don't mix up the legal settings on response times and the actual response times; Non-emergency stuff ... well it can be sth waiting for some hours as well. To be precise: I used to live in a city where the career fire department had only ONE single station covering the entire city area 1st due. At an average speed of 40 mph (with the full-size fire trucks) in traffic they were able to cover like 90% of the city area within a 6 minute long drive. In the area my station is located at I can cover up to 12 miles within a 6 minute drive
2 tone sirens do the job perfectly well, and the Doppler effect is much clearer which means it's much easier to tell where they're coming from and because the sound is lower it can travel further
It's a cultural difference The response time is the same The sirens in the Americas are designed to make you annoyed or scared because people in those regions just don't move out the way In Europe people are gonna get out of the way no matter what so a siren designed to scare you is simply not needed
@@JimmyJames10-k7v the reference is from an episode where they make a joke that French sirens sound like a 3 way. You’d have to watch it for this sentence to make any sense to be honest
Yeah forget the high crime rate the litter the traffic the crowded public transport systems the high rent and the mobsters down in Chinatown yes sirens are our top priority here... God what has become of this city...
this is stupid. People barely get out of the way when they have Wail, Yelp, & Phaser. What makes you think people will get out of the way when it's on a less effective tone?
At night the lights work very well, sirens are rarely used at night in Sweden, except when there is an intersection and traffic is not giving way. As that time some idiots crossed the road outside the fire station between the fire trucks and the ambulance. They had the "attention idiot"-siren blasted at them from two meters. They sure got out of the way fast, and the sound scared me who was 20 meter behind the ambulance.
Yeah why dont we replace it with a classical song so people can sleep better? The siren has to be alarming because people need to hear it from the distance and give way to the ambulance, fire brigade,etc how about installing double glass windows in your house?
im german and i loved the sound of the sirens in new york. i also really like the sound of our sirens in germany, but i dont really know if its a good idea to change something that has burned into the minds of the people in new york for that long and it just seems so weired...
They tried it once before but the Jews were really offended by the Gastopo sirens. That was in the 60s. Them Jews were highly upset about the memories of the Holocaust associated with those sirens. My strongest recommendation is that ALL EMERGENCY SERVICES PERSONNEL GO ON STRIKE UNTIL THEY CHANGE THEIR MINDS ABOUT CHANGING THE SIRENS. But on the other hand, this is another form of GLOBALIZATION and MILITARILIZING THE POLICE FORCE. Now as we all know that ISRAEL is training the American police Forces to become an occupational FORCE like they did in Palestine.
You completely forgot to inform that the european high low siren is also better. Lower pitches carry further in the air and the european one can be noticed from almost twice as far as the US continuous one.
Coming from a person who drives emergency vehicles fire truck and ambulance I think that is a stupid idea the whiny complaining people what want the best response if it was them in the back of the rig or house on fire and the siren games attention and makes people move a European siren sounds horrible and does not get the same response as a regular siren people in New York should just quit complaining and go to hell
@@ecIipsed Nobody really asked you. But still, sorry my sir, I won't do it again my sir, all my foult my sir, I'm so so embarrassed my sir. I swear I won't do it again my sir.
Soft sirens will not make people get out of the way especially in crowded nyc areas. The loud sirens is what gives urgency and tells people get out of the way.
Laws to get out of the way of emergency vehicles with sirens and/or rights flashing. A lot of notification of fines for not doing so on local news, simply needs to be enforced on people breaking that law.
New York's previous siren sounds, as in the very beginning of this video, HAVE been changed to the high/low Euro siren, which is much more pleasant. It's supposed to be law, that vehicles and pedestrian traffic get out of the way of emergency vehicles w/sirens and/or lights flashing. That law simply needs to be enforced. What's weird, is that London seems to have switched from the nicer Euro style to the old NYC annoying type of siren, like the siren in the very beginning of this video. Patients would sometimes ask the ambulance to turn off that older type of siren, as it causes a lot of anxiety.
The nypd uses a federal signal smart siren, which already has the “hi-lo” tone ability. They just usually program them to not work, and use a hyper yelp instead. Personally, I think hi lo is not attention grabbing enough. I also think this is extremely contradictory. The FDNY used the manual tone on a PA300 siren for years, then switched to a fake q siren tone, which is WAY more annoying/ attention grabbing 🤷🏼♂️
Yeah let’s remove the exact purpose of these sirens what a good idea... I’m sure they will be laughing when one of there family members needs to be taken to the ER but nobody will move because they can’t hear the sirens
The problem with NYC may be all the concrete structures, which reflect and echo sounds and thus prolong and even exacerbate the noise issue. The scientific evidence of sirens and pitch and lights is lacking, but does point in the direction of less sound. Very high sounds with flashing lights startle people into making bad driving decisions. It could be abrupt braking, which creates dangerous situations. Often in Europe you will experience emergency vehicles that use only the lights, and turn on sirens at intersections and then immediately off again after an intersection. Due to the sound-proofing of modern cars, lower, rumbling sirens are also better than high-pitched sirens. I live very close to fire and police (neighbors) and a hospital. The sirens are also annoying in Europe.
"Alarming and disturbing" 🤣 seriously that the whole point. I always thought we USA have the best and effective sirens. These new bubble wrapped world is going crazy.
I am from the US, lived in Europe for 6 months (Barcelona) and I personally like the US sirens (specifically a mechanical Q siren but then again I’m a firefighter) better than European sirens. This is a drastic idea you guys are proposing, I’m not worried about it because it’d mean a change in the fire service and that is not something we like to do ;)
Only in New York can you have people complaining about sirens which are built to be loud because people don't know how to move out of the way, in a city that's usually almost as loud as the sirens.
“To eliminate some of the noise pollution” I have lived in NYC all my life and that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard, you live in a MAJOR city key word MAJOR like if you don’t like it move your living in a million dollar condo in Manhattan. Don’t like it move to Long Island or something.
So; The faster you get out of the way and let them pass, the sooner it's gone, it's ment to sound ''GET THE F OUT OF MY WAY PEOPLE NEED ME'' ... Besides if you live in a city like NY no siren should keep you awake. I live near a main street where any emergency vehicle drive's past cause it's a main street, it's what I expect to hear within a city, if you don't like it.... move on.
The author obviously hasn't been to London for the last nearly 40 Years. We have used electronic sirens since the early 1980s. They work well, leave them.
As a tourist, whenever I’m in the states or other countries that use this siren, I love it. Feels like I’m in an American action movie. Don’t change it. And oh btw, in London they actually use the “American” siren.
"...complaints about noise pollution" give me a break. If you don't like sirens, move out of the city. The American style sirens are fine, and I'm a European. Actually, here in Norway the sirens sounds closer to the US ones than the EU ones.
Bruh in London and all across the u.k. we use the same sirens as those in New York. Ours also have a rapid paced mode as well. Only Paris use those sirens 100% not London
I’m sorry, you stand next to an ambulance in UK for few seconds and you’re going deaf. That thing is so loud, I can hear it across the town. Although that is good, because you can hear them from far away when in a car. On another hand, when I lived in Europe for some time I remember hearing the ambulance once it was really close to me, unlike in UK.
Jesus really? Whats next? Somebody who gently knocks on the window of every car in front of the emergency vehicle and whispers gently for them to please move if it wouldn't be an inconvenience? I swear this country is just racing to the bottom.
I hope they know I watched so many videos of fdny rescue 1 which is stationed in Manhattan it's blaring federal Q doesn't get people out of the way but they think a much quieter siren will be more effective you have got to be joking.
0:24 “others find the sound of US sirens alarming and disturbing” Well they aren’t designed to be relaxing and peaceful. I’m not a sirenologist, but I’m pretty sure the point of a siren is to let the people in front know to get out of the way not tell them to take their time and fall asleep at the wheel.
uhm actually in Europe you hear all kinds of sirens for many years already, well except for some Japanese sirens; But it's definetly no recent trend that wail and yelp sirens (which btw are originally from Europe, not from the US!) are used across Europe
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The people find the American siren “too alarming”.... isn’t that literally what a siren is for? To be alarming...?
Except when you live there and the sound travels down the streets so easily it is loud af and they happen constantly
ShinyMooTank that's fine
Exactly. However there is a European psychological conditioning to the two tone siren that must be quite alarming to the average European. The problem with New York City is extreme distracted driving and drivers who do not follow basic traffic laws. The problem is there is not enough aggressive enforcement of the laws. This is not a problem in LA or Seattle yet they to have super heavy traffic nonstop.
Liberals...
@@ShinyMooTank Won't matter once cars drive themselves. We're just in an awkward stage right now with old technology and new.
0:36 “Emergency services are considering a softer, less alarming tone”
Shows cars not getting out of the way of ambulance.
With the gridlock that is basically permanent in NYC, cars are never getting out of the way to begin with. A lot of US cities have seriously terrible road design. As if the roads were laid out in such a way that they'd cause maximum gridlock with minimal cause.
Fermitu Poupon gridlock is caused 100% by impatient drivers. If drivers paid more attention and waited until there was room to go through the intersection, gridlock wouldn’t occur. But of course NYC drivers are notoriously a-holes so this probably won’t be fixed until we have self driving vehicles.
That's the typical reaction to a siren in NY, as far as I know ...
Fermitu Poupon No. straight roads are the best
And pedestrian NOT getting run over because the car not getting out of the way of ambulance
Police sirens are designed to sound loud and scary that way people will move out of the way. This is exactly why new york adapted the rumbler siren. Adapting this european style siren will only delay response times within a city that already has massive amounts of traffic, and it would counteract the semi-recent decision to adapt the rumbler siren.
European sirens are murder to your ears
our city has changed and it works out well
they only use another high/ deep tri-tone when they get close to a intersection.... it works out better to let people know to STOP at the intersection
6.0blow 99 that’s not true because here in the uk we use a combination of both styles and the vehicles that use the American style cars move over a lot sooner than the European style sirens
James Evans not the loud noise the tone is horrendous
6.0blow 99 ok so do you want the sirens to be music then
“More like the streets of London” ... London uses a siren similar to New York’s, not continental Europe...
Actually I'm pretty sure the Czech Republic also uses sirens like New York's
stop always saying that "UK is not Europe" because is island etc..Yeaaa 20 kilometers of water is galactic border between Europe and Great Magnificient World of english peoples
sebrus33 I didn’t say that. I’m just pointing to the ignorance by *Euro*news.
@@sebrus33 but 'UK is not Europe'
Of all the different types of sirens in europe they choose the worst.. Try the swedish siren instead!
Probably should dim the emergency warning lights on these vehicles, too. Don't want them to hurt anyone's eyes (note extreme sarcasm). 🤭
Man those lights at night are quite blinding. Very powerful of you're on a dark road and incoming cop has his lights on.
@one love-one ark i was just about to say im epileptic and i have to look away. Lights like that hurt my head and I feel like im about to seize. Survived 12 bad seizure falls though. Still kicking tho. Here for a good time not a long time haha
Not a bad idea actually, note: no sarcasm at all
Edgy brah
HA! Love it lol
People are now getting offended by a emergency, well this is just brilliant.
Not offended.
I live about 6-700 meters from a hospital (the biggest in my country) myself. I really appreciate that the ambulance drivers often lower the volume or completely turn of the siren (so lights only), when possible. They pretty much only turn on the sound when they are going over an intersection or somebody is in their way, when it's late.
Let's banned all enerngcy vehicles
Albert Why are you so offended tho?
@@cmck2009 Not offended at all. Like i said, i just appreciate that the drivers turns off their sirens when possible, allowing me to sleep without interruptions most nights.
@@cmck2009 how is he showing offence?
I swear to god my city has become so pussified that even the sirens are offending people
Im sorry for you this is complete bs
Best thing for you is to get out of New York.
John Halsey New York City in general is a shitshow. The politics are dumbfounding. And I can guarantee that emergency response times are going to increase by switching siren tones. They already don’t move as it is for the louder American systems. What makes you think they’ll move quicker with a European system? New York City officials and citizens have utterly lost their minds
Lmao it's not even annoying
Lol yeah.
I'm gonna be 100% honest, the European siren is way worse than the American siren.
Both are annoying, that is what sirens are designed to do.
tbh us eu citizen in fact get spooked as soo, as we seen blue flashing lights (moment we see the lights or hear there siren we check where its coming from and slow down or make space where they need to move
burrrr BAAAAA burrrrr BAAAAAA buuuuuurrrrrrrrrr BAAAAAA.......sounds like a woman fussing plus European places are switching to the American q2B
@@Gamerboy-gy1rl wel eu doesnt need us siren cause were mor alert tbh
@@RaffertyMargodt i think i had a stroke reading that
I'm totally triggered by people being triggered.
Im so triggered that people get triggered by other people being triggered arrg!!!
"hey yeah dude I know you're dying but um the siren is too annoying for me so if ambulances could not come save you that would be great"
Yes e reason there so loud is warn people ahead of time that there coming besides the usual gridlock New York traffic
You know how an ambulance has a critical patient on board? No sirens, just the lights even in daylight. The sirens can hurt some patients.
@@57thorns That's actually not even close to true. I'm an EMT. We run lights only if the patient is not a trauma patient or in high risk. If the patient is in pain or sick we'll run lights to get them to the hospital quickly but no sirens as they arent in as high of a priority as a trauma patient.
Are they forgetting European sirens (ex: London) have a wail siren too? And it's about 200% louder and more shriel than the north american sirens?
@Foxy The Pirate Fox "will change to only use hi-low now" that made zero sense. Are you saying that they will one day switch or already have?
Europe is not a country.
That was actually a figure of speech. Does it ever actually rain cats and dogs? 😀
Indeed, in fact, the London Ambulance Service and a many other first response organisations in the UK install very high-powered siren speakers on their vehicles, which means that the siren produces a sharp, piercing, and loud sound.
@@Robbert_nl not yet
But yet some Places in Europe switched to an American type siren.Go figure
Because European sirens say:"hallo, sorry to bother you but would you mind giving way sometimes?" American sirens are like: "GET THE F*** OUT OF THE WAY NOW!!!!!"
Handom1 that’s the point of a siren
France is slightly starting to add american sirens into their ambulances, and it sounds pretty cool ! Please don't get rid of those in NYC, it would be a big iconic and practical loss
Aren’t both styles just able to be programmed with a software update to the Motorola system? They just change the region setting and voila they can switch back and forth.
@@AerialProd I live in France and I prefer american sirens
Now every police vehicle in the city, ambulances and fire trucks will sound like ice cream trucks
MLG Fan this will be awesome
Do you seriously think that a European siren sounds like a ice cream truck?
5 year old- "my daddy had a crash so he got to ride in the ice Cream truck!"
this is a totally different story compared to what they said in Europe 2 months ago. they said a lot of people can't hear the sirens from far enough even though they're louder or it doesn't draw their attention as quick.
love getting a completely different story from every single source
Anyone seeing a pattern here?
HA! We were just discussing that it would be funny if they change this and then there are more pedestrian accidents.. incidents..
Martina Crews ,Yeah considering how many people walk or ride bikes in New York yeah
I can probably explain that to you. Let me know some details/ questions if you'd like.
True, but it is in Paris, the problem isn't than people aren't hearing, it's than French, especially from Paris are bad and selfish drivers, they put american siren to turn them on at a over high level to scar this idiots.
In this case, it isn't a siren issue, it is a drivers issue.
Before responding to any emergency, responders will be required to submit an environmental impact study, conduct interviews of all people who could potentially be on the route taken and obtain written permission from all tenant HOAs. After a 90 day "Cooling off Period" all people potentially affected would be reinterviewed. If at least 75 percent respond positively, the emergency run can be made. The responders will also be required to speak respectfully to any homeless people along the route and consume one portion of locally sourced vegetables.
You know that changing the sirens is not the same as you described it. It will still have the attention which need to be to get through traffic, but in an much gentle tone which is still alert people.
@@andmos1001 If it was your loved one lying on the floor with with 90 to 120 seconds meaning the difference between living, a brain injury or death, which type of siren would you like them to use?
@@ericwoytasek269Frankly, it could be neither one of them. Even if Europe has an softer siren, it still get the attention where it matters the most: AKA the traffic. You don't hear the NYC sirens from 13 floors up. Heck, i live on 4th floor, and the sirens Reach my floor with minor nucance. With 90- 120 secound to live, one will allready be dead by the time Medical emergency has gone up to said 13th floor.
Yeah no, keep the American Sirens.
Facts
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Ivringgg And so was your education in english.
I’m immune to the sirens at this point
That's because of age and hearing loss.
Yep, living in the city, you get used to the noise. I was sleeping on major streets of Canada's biggest cities (and I mean, literally, on the sidewalk) and I slept just fine. Its all about adapting. Now that I have a regular life in the suburbs, I couldn't imagine going back to live in any big cities. Love the calm here.
I like them honestly like wtf
Same. I live in San Diego and the police sirens are nothing anymore. Of course I get out of the way but they don't phase me at all. Just like birds chirping
I live in upstate NY, and I love sirens. They don’t bother me at all, and I love hearing a trooper or a fire truck blast down the main road with their sirens on. And hey, it works. I’ve never seen a person not get out of the way for one of them
Worst idea ever. If a loud siren does not get anyone out of the way, a softer siren will just be useless. Noise is not the problem here, it's the attention and scare that the siren should give to people, so that they can get out of the way or potentially scare off the criminals from a distance. A siren like that, will legit be useless. Listen to Italy's sirens, they're just plain annoying garbage. American sirens at least ain't garbage and use different tactics, like the rumbler to get people's attention. People don't like the noise? Get used to it if you want to live there. Anytime when I'm in Europe, I barely notice the sirens, while back home in Canada, I still jump everytime I hear a firetrucks air horn, that's how you know it works.
And this is how I know you do not leave in a major city center. In Europe they use that sirens and the response time is equal. So the only difference is the noise pollution.
Mikel Sopelana Durango- well from the articles that I've read in the last 30 or so minutes, response times in the U.S average at around 8-9 minutes, 3-4 for critical emergencies and around 10-12 for non emergencies. In Europe and parts of Australia, I've seen response times around 10-12 minutes on average. In some parts it may be different but I think that changing a siren also has a mental attitude linked to it. People in Europe have most likely grown used to the use of Hi-Lo sirens and European sirens in general. People in America and Canada have grown used to American sirens, such as Rumbler, Wail, Yelp, and Q sirens on firetrucks. So I think that when adding new sirens, especially in NYC, the drivers aren't going to move out of the way as much, not getting used to the new and quieter siren. And from personal experience, I think that if a siren is loud and dramatic, such as a rumbler with a constant airhorn, it makes drivers move out of the way more because they think that something serious is happening. So idk I guess it is all based upon accustoms and responses.
@@ehabb709 don't mix up the legal settings on response times and the actual response times; Non-emergency stuff ... well it can be sth waiting for some hours as well.
To be precise: I used to live in a city where the career fire department had only ONE single station covering the entire city area 1st due. At an average speed of 40 mph (with the full-size fire trucks) in traffic they were able to cover like 90% of the city area within a 6 minute long drive.
In the area my station is located at I can cover up to 12 miles within a 6 minute drive
2 tone sirens do the job perfectly well, and the Doppler effect is much clearer which means it's much easier to tell where they're coming from and because the sound is lower it can travel further
It's a cultural difference
The response time is the same
The sirens in the Americas are designed to make you annoyed or scared because people in those regions just don't move out the way
In Europe people are gonna get out of the way no matter what so a siren designed to scare you is simply not needed
I’m only here cause of Family Guy
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@@JimmyJames10-k7v the reference is from an episode where they make a joke that French sirens sound like a 3 way. You’d have to watch it for this sentence to make any sense to be honest
Lmao same
Hahahahaaha
Of all the issues in NYC sirens are for sure top priority
Yeah forget the high crime rate the litter the traffic the crowded public transport systems the high rent and the mobsters down in Chinatown yes sirens are our top priority here...
God what has become of this city...
@@PannierLaw r/whooosh
ya_Bob _Jonez ,What?
Nononono I like my ny sirens in ny & my European sirens in Europe
@@nikpanaousis so is yours
Fmono • 38 years ago then move, the drivers there are already retarded, the sirens are met to grab the attention of people
@Fmono • 38 years ago move to the country. New York city is for tough people.
this is stupid. People barely get out of the way when they have Wail, Yelp, & Phaser. What makes you think people will get out of the way when it's on a less effective tone?
If they won't get out of the way either way, then we might as well have a less annoying siren.
A Olson get a Federal Q! People won’t walk in-front of the ambulances.
A Olson If they won’t get out of the way, get something louder: a train horn
I came here to confirm what John Mulaney said.
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Its SIMPLE for daytime have the louder annoying siren and the "EURO" one for nighttime.. People who've lived in NYC know this is best!! 😉😎
Euro sirens aren't any quieter..just "Frencher."
@@bcubed72 yeah ..lol I can sleep through those sirens but not the ones in nyc
At night the lights work very well, sirens are rarely used at night in Sweden, except when there is an intersection and traffic is not giving way. As that time some idiots crossed the road outside the fire station between the fire trucks and the ambulance. They had the "attention idiot"-siren blasted at them from two meters. They sure got out of the way fast, and the sound scared me who was 20 meter behind the ambulance.
Yeah why dont we replace it with a classical song so people can sleep better? The siren has to be alarming because people need to hear it from the distance and give way to the ambulance, fire brigade,etc how about installing double glass windows in your house?
Yeah this is dumb I sincerely doubt anyone is gonna move out of the way I'd be like wtf is behind me an ice cream truck?
Well, kid, it seems like in most European cities it's used, and their population is not falling. So it seems like it works.
@@CityWhisperer well I live in America so I feel like it would take a minute for people to really accept it
Jackal Vee *_More like an hour_*
That's so true lmao
Mikel Sopelana Durango if u do a quick google search u will see that "urban" response times in US are 2 mins faster on avg then UK
im german and i loved the sound of the sirens in new york. i also really like the sound of our sirens in germany, but i dont really know if its a good idea to change something that has burned into the minds of the people in new york for that long and it just seems so weired...
Exactly. People will be so confused by the change they will forget to move out the way. This is so stupid
They tried it once before but the Jews were really offended by the Gastopo sirens. That was in the 60s. Them Jews were highly upset about the memories of the Holocaust associated with those sirens.
My strongest recommendation is that ALL EMERGENCY SERVICES PERSONNEL GO ON STRIKE UNTIL THEY CHANGE THEIR MINDS ABOUT CHANGING THE SIRENS.
But on the other hand, this is another form of GLOBALIZATION and MILITARILIZING THE POLICE FORCE.
Now as we all know that ISRAEL is training the American police Forces to become an occupational FORCE like they did in Palestine.
@@bohemoth1 or just refuse to respond and make the people of NYC want to here the sirens
bohemoth1 Yeah! And the JEWISH ZIONIST BANKERS control the SUN AND THE WEATHER!!
"Although people may sleep a little better at night" .. I thought New York city is never sleep city :-O
You can, but you won't.
People are getting too soft and triggered these days..
From restricting people from clapping, to now the sirens change.
@citiZen I don't think you understand my statement.
I was saying that people are triggered, *not me..*
Better getting triggered over a siren than gender or race. I need a rest from those two topics and this could work perfect.
You completely forgot to inform that the european high low siren is also better. Lower pitches carry further in the air and the european one can be noticed from almost twice as far as the US continuous one.
It doesn't matter what tone you use. A siren is gonna be loud and annoying no matter what. That's it's purpose so you hear it.
But i prefer US Sirens compared to say england or germany
@@VideoSpectator1223 I wish I could find a European low-high siren!
Yeah, let’s keep the US siren
Brendan Spillane ikr
Brendan Spillane
Lol, next red lights are gonna change colors
Michael ._. Oh god no😂
Coming from a person who drives emergency vehicles fire truck and ambulance I think that is a stupid idea the whiny complaining people what want the best response if it was them in the back of the rig or house on fire and the siren games attention and makes people move a European siren sounds horrible and does not get the same response as a regular siren people in New York should just quit complaining and go to hell
Comas, dots... Please use them. And I really don't belive you are an actual emergency service person.
Mikel Sopelana Durango don’t criticize someone’s grammar if you can’t even spell comma correctly
@@ecIipsed Nobody really asked you. But still, sorry my sir, I won't do it again my sir, all my foult my sir, I'm so so embarrassed my sir. I swear I won't do it again my sir.
@@ecIipsed And please use dots.
Colby Thurston the siren they showed was French, each country has different sirens in Europe. I agree a lot of them are pathetic
Now start using the Metric system like everyone else.
Where I live in North Carolina my school teaches both metric and imperial. But mostly imperial.
Christian Maldonado I think most schools in the US teach the metric system
Soft sirens will not make people get out of the way especially in crowded nyc areas. The loud sirens is what gives urgency and tells people get out of the way.
Mhm
Laws to get out of the way of emergency vehicles with sirens and/or rights flashing. A lot of notification of fines for not doing so on local news, simply needs to be enforced on people breaking that law.
New York's previous siren sounds, as in the very beginning of this video, HAVE been changed to the high/low Euro siren, which is much more pleasant. It's supposed to be law, that vehicles and pedestrian traffic get out of the way of emergency vehicles w/sirens and/or lights flashing. That law simply needs to be enforced. What's weird, is that London seems to have switched from the nicer Euro style to the old NYC annoying type of siren, like the siren in the very beginning of this video. Patients would sometimes ask the ambulance to turn off that older type of siren, as it causes a lot of anxiety.
Tbh... Real European sirens are a lot louder
NYC is becoming so wack I want 80's & 90's NYC back.
They let gentrification take over. What a shame
Especially the gang crime
What, you want rampant crime and murder brought back? Um, OK.
mlc449 New Yorks a shithole either way if I ever go there I'm bringing a gun
Ahahaha
The nypd uses a federal signal smart siren, which already has the “hi-lo” tone ability. They just usually program them to not work, and use a hyper yelp instead. Personally, I think hi lo is not attention grabbing enough. I also think this is extremely contradictory. The FDNY used the manual tone on a PA300 siren for years, then switched to a fake q siren tone, which is WAY more annoying/ attention grabbing 🤷🏼♂️
No need to flex your wackass knowledge of cop siren controls bro
Ryan Cunningham my bad man. Next time I’ll make sure and ask you before I make a “wackass” comment😂
@@dapeacock27 Thanks, i really appreciate it.
Ryan Cunningham good. I aim to please. 😁
Sounds like hel - lo
There’s no “European siren”. Norwegian emergency vehicles sound like the NYC ones.
de er vell så og si helt lik
uk also has that kind of siren
There are "European sirens", but not every country has them.
Norway is not in the EU duh
@@IStMl ...but you'd be surprised to see that it is in Europe regardless
We also don’t have our sirens blazing constantly nor late at night. England they usually stop using them around 9/10pm unless absolutely necessary.
A DEPRESSED GUY SMOKING A CIGARETTE IS NOT A MOVIE.
Yes, let's make sirens LESS alarming, that'll get people to know there's an emergency!
Yeah let’s remove the exact purpose of these sirens what a good idea...
I’m sure they will be laughing when one of there family members needs to be taken to the ER but nobody will move because they can’t hear the sirens
it might get them to act more "rationally" 🤷
That sound like the ice cream truck 🤷🏻♀️
I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING. 😂😂
The new Booap Booap Siren sound is scary as hell it feels like an Apache Helicopter ready to rain hell down the street
Rumble siren.
Even if these sirens are loud people are too ignorant to move out of the way
Over here it sounds more akin to an ice cream truck
The siren need to stay loud so with people playing music in their car can actually hear the siren
The new sirens should be BRRRRRRRRRRRRT!
Unknown New York Sirens should be “YO DEADASS B IM GONNA NEED YOU TO MOVE REAL QUICK”
The Texan siren
The problem with NYC may be all the concrete structures, which reflect and echo sounds and thus prolong and even exacerbate the noise issue. The scientific evidence of sirens and pitch and lights is lacking, but does point in the direction of less sound. Very high sounds with flashing lights startle people into making bad driving decisions. It could be abrupt braking, which creates dangerous situations. Often in Europe you will experience emergency vehicles that use only the lights, and turn on sirens at intersections and then immediately off again after an intersection. Due to the sound-proofing of modern cars, lower, rumbling sirens are also better than high-pitched sirens. I live very close to fire and police (neighbors) and a hospital. The sirens are also annoying in Europe.
The siren at the start is a UK siren and I'm in London and 0:02 that siren is on the ambulance in the UK
"Others find the sirens alarming" isnt that kind of the point?
"Alarming and disturbing" 🤣 seriously that the whole point.
I always thought we USA have the best and effective sirens.
These new bubble wrapped world is going crazy.
Why should a siren arlarm someone 200m away its only for alarming the close traffic and therefor IT does not to be as loud as possible
In comparison the US sirens are poorly designed and have to compensate their lack with volume.
You always thought, the USA have the best and effectice sirens?
Let me guess ... You are from the USA? 🤔🤭
Communists detected
They can take my federal Q from my cold dead hands.
When I was a kid and heard the European sirens I'd jump outta my skin.
Less alarming wtf you talking about
I live in Germany now and these sirens will make your friggin ears bleed
Dont forget people...only a good looking depressed French guy smoking a cigarette, can drive the ambulances.
Use softer tones. Yeah that’s gonna help the problem of emergency crews not getting through traffic…
I am from the US, lived in Europe for 6 months (Barcelona) and I personally like the US sirens (specifically a mechanical Q siren but then again I’m a firefighter) better than European sirens. This is a drastic idea you guys are proposing, I’m not worried about it because it’d mean a change in the fire service and that is not something we like to do ;)
“...other’s find the us sirens sound alarming and disturbing”
isn’t that the whole purpose of sirens?
They sound like an air strike alarm and you can't distinguish where it's coming from.
If they remove nypd and fdny sirens I am going to be pissed, that's a reason why I love nyc
Ikr we barely see crown Vic taxis in NYC now days
I‘m not murican but I enjoyed hearing the NYC sirens when I was there. They sound awesome between those high buildings.
Only in New York can you have people complaining about sirens which are built to be loud because people don't know how to move out of the way, in a city that's usually almost as loud as the sirens.
“To eliminate some of the noise pollution” I have lived in NYC all my life and that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard, you live in a MAJOR city key word MAJOR like if you don’t like it move your living in a million dollar condo in Manhattan. Don’t like it move to Long Island or something.
Wtf Oh yea lower the sirens so a victim in an ambulance can die in traffic. perfect right?
Europe uses them and everything is fine here, what are you on about?
The us sirens are poorly designed and compensate it with volume.
Idk our American one is alarming but the European one is more depressing or disturbing if you ask me 🤷🏼♀️
For my reaction, search "Family Guy french siren."
NYC will never be the same without the classic sirens
People find alarms, alarming? Hmmm. We need to dive deep into how this happened.
PLEASE DO NOT DO IT!!! I live in Germany and we have the problem that nobody hears the siren so we are stuck in traffic... that really costs live
what? I don't really have trouble although we only have the electronic sirens
I always thought the American sirens were a bit LESS irritating.
The slower cadence doesn't wake me up as easily.
Don't get how this is going to work European sirens are Annoying
So; The faster you get out of the way and let them pass, the sooner it's gone, it's ment to sound ''GET THE F OUT OF MY WAY PEOPLE NEED ME'' ... Besides if you live in a city like NY no siren should keep you awake. I live near a main street where any emergency vehicle drive's past cause it's a main street, it's what I expect to hear within a city, if you don't like it.... move on.
The author obviously hasn't been to London for the last nearly 40 Years. We have used electronic sirens since the early 1980s. They work well, leave them.
“Too alarming” I mean...that’s their purpose
As a tourist, whenever I’m in the states or other countries that use this siren, I love it. Feels like I’m in an American action movie. Don’t change it. And oh btw, in London they actually use the “American” siren.
Sirens are literally meant to be loud and alarming. Plus Euro sirens sound like trash.
There are a lot of different sirens here in Europe. If you don't like one of them that's ok, but don't say that every siren is bad.
I like the idea, but it's called an Alarm so shouldn't it be alarming?
Sounds like they want kids to come out and buy some ice cream
IT’S AN ALARM
People are getting more civilized across the ocean, next thing you know and they call themselves Europeans
Wtfe!
Okay I don’t know if I’d call changing the siren tones civilized more snooty across the ocean is what you mean
"They're saving our lives but they're doing it TOO LOUD"
The thing the typical martinhorn which most people just name the European style siren, should be exactly as loud as a q siren I think
@@ccalmanii5225 a Martinhorn is even louder
It’s gentrifications at its finest,even the sirens aren’t safe 🚨
"...complaints about noise pollution" give me a break. If you don't like sirens, move out of the city. The American style sirens are fine, and I'm a European. Actually, here in Norway the sirens sounds closer to the US ones than the EU ones.
Bruh in London and all across the u.k. we use the same sirens as those in New York. Ours also have a rapid paced mode as well. Only Paris use those sirens 100% not London
That are aware that ambulances and emergency vehicles within The UK also use similar sirens to The US, right?
I was thinking this and isn't it all emergency vehicles
People are getting assulted and robbed but changing the sound of the sirens is important. Ok New York
I’m sorry, you stand next to an ambulance in UK for few seconds and you’re going deaf. That thing is so loud, I can hear it across the town. Although that is good, because you can hear them from far away when in a car.
On another hand, when I lived in Europe for some time I remember hearing the ambulance once it was really close to me, unlike in UK.
Jesus really? Whats next? Somebody who gently knocks on the window of every car in front of the emergency vehicle and whispers gently for them to please move if it wouldn't be an inconvenience? I swear this country is just racing to the bottom.
I'm sorry IF I heard the European siren my first thought would be " Is tea being served ?
I have to cover my ears every time a police car or ambulance goes past in England because it’s so freaking loud
Yes because England uses basically the same sirens compared to NYC if think what they meant by “European sirens” was French or German sirens
@@PannierLaw If a UK fire engine or European hi/lo air horn went by, this person would also cover their ears as they are also loud
I hope they know I watched so many videos of fdny rescue 1 which is stationed in Manhattan it's blaring federal Q doesn't get people out of the way but they think a much quieter siren will be more effective you have got to be joking.
Yall living in new york city and the one sound you're worried about is sirens?
if there even people go across the street when a frickin ambulance is trying to make his way to the accident, the alarm cannot be alarming enough.
0:24 “others find the sound of US sirens alarming and disturbing”
Well they aren’t designed to be relaxing and peaceful. I’m not a sirenologist, but I’m pretty sure the point of a siren is to let the people in front know to get out of the way not tell them to take their time and fall asleep at the wheel.
0:32, That sounds like a UK two tone police siren.
You know what is noise pollution? Noisy engines and noisy radios. Emergency sirens are meant to be alarming.
And then they get old of the new ones and start complaining again itll be a endless cycle
So alarming Europe uses American sirens now.
uhm actually in Europe you hear all kinds of sirens for many years already, well except for some Japanese sirens; But it's definetly no recent trend that wail and yelp sirens (which btw are originally from Europe, not from the US!) are used across Europe
@@EnjoyFirefighting I was being sarcastic
@@retiredk9copper726 oh ok ^^
THE SIRENS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ALARMING AND DISTURBING!!
DID EVERYONE GO STUPID?!
yes\
Normal people:
Feminists:
That siren is oppressing me!
Lol and in europe we want the American sirens 😅
We have it in UK
Reminds me of playing gta4 😂😂
I'm here because of family guy
If sirens are annoying you then leave the CITY. Go live in the woods.