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Bro, I've spent thousands of hours trying to figure out what the best way to find the correct position is, but using the shoulders as wayfinders is quite creative, thanks!
Little tip in the comments: If you happen to have multiple worn mousepads but not an adjustable desk, you can use them to raise the main mousepad to a better position without compromising chair height. I personally have two 3mm mousepads below my main pad.
I’ve been obsessing over posture ever since I got into aiming. This video is so informative and has helped me achieve my perfect feeling setup. I realized I was sitting with my arms parallel to my desk so I gave up a lot of control and forced my shoulders to do more. Now aiming is feeling better and more comfortable. Thank you for this video 🫡
this is amazing, for the longest time ive noticed something doesnt feel right and im over extending or tensing up too much and this is why. I hope this genuinely does help and is not just a placebo as ive just changed it up
@@StruthGamingHey, I’m very interested in sitting consistently in the chair. What if chair angle suddenly is offset, resulting in 24% performance drop in score in aiming tasks and 11% in accuracy! Like how do you ensure that your wrist glides the same way everytime? Ron Rambo Kim does some warming up 1-5 mins, but for me sometimes it took 1 hour to get the peak performance position feeling back. There’s chair relative position to the table, rotation of chair, compensation of back of arm and table angle. I’ve figured compensation of back of arm via chair, but how to place chair consistently to the table? Even fixing peripherals by marking on table doesn’t seem to help. Please just make video of getting into table and reaching the position. It’s not about the focus or the zone, but about keeping same motion with same muscles.
I actually ended up buying a height adjustable desk(Ikea one!), seeing as I do a lot of gaming, I figured might as well as spend the extra and get one that helps me setup properly.
Man, I've been trying to get this right for days now, but I just can't seem to do it. My arm always starts to hurt, whether it's after a while or instantly. It's almost like there are a few muscles that are super weak or something. I only feel comfortable when my whole arm is resting on the table, but then my wrist starts to angle upwards or doesn't rest correctly on the table when I start aim training. As I continue to aim train, my wrist becomes even more angled upwards. Alternatively, my posture may be compromised and not ergonomic.
im sorry to hear this. i had this problem and ignored it for years. eventually had to get surgery due to ulnar nerve entrapment. Make sure you sit ergonomically. Stretch really good before and after gaming. ALSO LOOK UP ulnar nerve glide exercises. do them twice a day and it can help a ton with the fatigue. Also just getiing a 10 lb dumbbell and doing some basic arm workouts for 5 literal minutes a day can fix this issue before it becomes worse. Do some research on stretches for gamers and exercises for the hand/wrist that you can do to start out. Remember that movement of your joints creates fluid that lubricates them. So exercise is the key to healthy joints for a gamer. Hope this helps a little bit and sending good vibes your way!
When it comes to my setup I sadly I am very tall (I am 6'1") most desk here in the US are either very small/low or to big/wide (Meaning the legs are getting in the way for me to sit properly) so trying to find the right desk set up was hard but I op for a Standing Desk which thankfully helped, and while most gaming chairs are amazing any gaming chair I got was to low for the desk so I had to find someone to make my own chair to be able to follow any of these steps. I thankfully found the right set up but it really came down to what I was given. This could be the same for you but in my way my desk/chair were the issues here not me but I thankfully found out due to this guide.
Gonna try this! Had surgery for osteonecrosis of the scaphoid (which is a small bone mid road between your palm and your wrist) and since then Im not able to play more than an hour straight because of the stiffness...first 15-20 mins is perfect then any small adjustment turns into me almost smashing my hand on the wall or my keyboard. The multiple mouse pads seems like a good idea too!
wow thank you man this helped me so much seriously I have an adjustable desk and thanks to your video I noticed it was way too high so I lowered it and now it's way better thank you man :)
I got a really nice used desk like 10 years ago and a cheap great $30 computer chair even longer ago. The desk is a little too high and the chair doest go up or down (broken) so Ive been stuck in this awkward lower position where my forearms lean upwards leaning on the corner of the table having to shrug to get higher position. Its awful and just got used to this, but now Im really feeling uncomfortable. The desk is great and I will be looking for a new chair that can go higher to reach that proper spot, Thanks a lot for the video helps very much!
I would like to say thank you so much for your video. I have overlooked ergonomics for so long after trying so hard to focus on mouse grip and aim sensitivity. Thinking it would be the end all be all to fixing my low kda and fatigue. My kill average in Valorant easily went from 9-10 to 15-20 and sometimes 25+ a game. I’m so happy not only because it improved my aiming (without changing my sensitivity and grip) but also my posture has improved not to mention my sleep. I’ve been sleeping/waking up so much better now than before. I can’t even remember the last time I had a back strain since watching your video. Before watching this, I am always slouching since I have a low monitor (the ASUS Vp249qgr has a low stand) which makes me look downward always when using the computer. And my arms were always wide since my chair was too low making my table to be too high. Elevating the books to raise the monitor and increasing chair height worked wonders for me. Thank you so much again!! Hoping to buy an adjustable table someday since I am a WFH employee and I’m on my PC the whole day everyday (from work to gaming).
For those in the market for an adjustable (sit/stand) desk, always check the weight rating of the desk before buying! Ideally, you should literally add up the weight of all items you're intending to put on your adjustable desk (including the table top). Things like the PC tower, monitors, other paraphernalia, even the pressure of your arms/your weight when leaning on the desk - it can add up pretty quickly! I opted for a "dual motor" adjustable desk that had twice the weight rating (300lb/140kg) of the Ikea Bekant (150 lb/70 kg). Just something to keep in mind!
Table height, elbow position, forearm/elbow anchor point, mouse resting point on table in relation to torso position(table-length-wise), mousepad position, mousepad/table rotation angle, mousepad stack height, mouse centering on mousepad. There are also 2 entirely different aim setups, that need trained differently, and have different functions: scoped aim, and non-scoped aim. Non-scope aim skill/strategy/sensitivity does not translate much to scoped aim skill/strategy/sensitivity.
I'm sure I remember you doing a similar video on the Kovaaks channel so really appreciate this more in depth one! I have a height adjustable desk and my forearm lies flat on my mousepad/desk but if I move my arm forward so my mouse is at the top of the pad, my shoulder goes from a neutral position to slightly dropped (I guess it's compensating for the arm extension) is this normal? If I keep my shoulder in a neutral position then my elbow raises off the desk slightly.. not sure if this is just normal though? It's not like I play like this for extended periods, but just something I noticed when trying to find my optimal height when setting up my desk.
You're most welcome! When aiming to the top of the mousepad you're probably going to have to compromise the shoulder or elbow in some way. I personally do a bit of both, but never let my entire arm come off the pad entirely. The sensation is taking more weight off my arm. Fortunately we rarely need to aim that far up, unless you're using a very low sensitivity.
Thing for me is that when I place my arm same level with my desk, it’s harder to make vertical motion, but if I place my whole arm and elbow on my desk, it makes it easier to control, but I have to turn my whole body and have to reach my left arm out to touch the keyboard and it’s uncomfortable
i feel like with my aim i have changed it so many times ive lost a consistent "anchor" point or point of reference with my aim. i always look at these videos and see the same type of aiming style so i try to implement it. my main 2 shortcomings in aim is comfortably sitting and aiming- my right arm aiming shoulder heavily flares forward even if i put my shoulders level and arms 90 degrees out in front. and 2 -i have a difficult time staying in the focus flow state, i tend to panic between what im even doing while aiming and tend to miss shots on my target. any tips on staying comfortable and level headed while playing? amazing video btw
Same. With me Im trying to compete again today after some 12 years w/o playing PC games for serious and Im having a lot of trouble figuring out what changed in order to fix it. Sometimes I think its the heights, sometimes I think its the sore shoulders, neck and traps, sometimes I think its the Carpal Tunnels I never went to correct, or the change from CRT 4:3 resolution to flat screens at 16:9... Sometimes I think the reason for the inconsistency is just that my eyes and brains got older and and all those thoughts starts a midlife crisis lol
@@gxmcdg gaming/aiming is a skill, like riding a bike to give you an example or playing golf. There is no advice or fix you can read to suddenly be able to ride/balance the bike, you have to do it consistently for you to adapt and learn. Gaming is the same thing people tend to forget that ive noticed, looking for a ”tip” that will fix their aim. Although some of them do help specially posture could help a little bit, in the end its continous practice that will make you better.
@@gxmcdgim so happy someone relates. last year of gaming i get constant tension in my right shoulder. i cant tell if they are shrugged forward or maybe my chair isnt high enough but it really distorts my aim and its almost like a mental game
a year late... but the jaw drop when he said exactly would i would b concerned about that he made a video about as well, man credit has to be given when it has to and this is just a winner a landslide. thank u, going to ur other vid. earned my sub XD
I've been in a neutral position for a long time now since I fixed it before. But I find that in tac fps my aim is just more stable and has smoother movements when my whole srm is resting on the table. Resulting also to more consustent performance.
Hi man! Thank you for this video! I’m 184 cm (with shoes) and I had cronical pain since 8 yrs. I cannot feel comfortable with low back and neck…! Can you share with us the distance that you have between chair and top desk (and also the height of your desk please)? It can be a right starting point to understand better my problem. Thank you in advance ❤
I must have some anatomic problem coz for a table top to be in line with my forearm with 90º angled elbows and relaxed shoulders, it has to be around 3cm deep into my tights...
Thanks for a great video, been looking for something like this for a while, i would like to ask you something, why do you think a large margin of fps pros, such as valoranr or cs pros sit with desk high/chair low causing wider arm positioning?
My guess is that this comes from having little choice in lan setups, and from home setups with lower chairs (like using a dining chair on a regular office desk) and they grew up aiming like that. There's no real benefit or secret sauce to why they do it, more likely it's just what they're used to.
So I have an adjustable desk and a herman miller chair. I should be able to get to the perfect spot but I'm starting to think my legs are just too big. I work out quite a bit and whenever I lower the desk or raise the chair to get my arms in the perfect spot, the desk is just pressing into my quads... Can't seem to find a solution for this.
I need to try a new desk. I had to stay at my mom’s for two weeks, I practiced using refrag and I was playing better than I have in years. Then I came back to my house and haven’t been able to play on the desk, so I’ve been playing on my dining room table. I’ve been playing awfully no matter how much I practice, and I’m starting to believe it might be because of the setup. Am I just coping or could this be a real issue?
Hey, this video really helped me. I think, my left arm (mouse side) is perfect now, but I have problems with my right arm (keyboard side). I cant find the perfect position. I like it angled, but since I raised the table, my right elbow kind of hurts when I play and use my keyboard. What can I do ?
hi I'm a korean subscripber, I thank your good quality videos. I have a wonder that I recently changed my key board, tkl to mini, and it no has farm rest. after the change, my wrist and shoulder have gotten the pain. please let me know how about the right placement of keyboard and the shape? of the hand is. and I want to know what you think about farm rest
When I aim I'm finding my wrist is kinda twisting to the right , so if i rest my wrist on the table my pinky finger is rested but my thumb is floating. Cam really feel the tension.
May seem silly, but I wash my hands/wrist (whatever skin contacts the pad) with soap before playing, and during sessions when things start to slow down again.
I feel like I have this weird issue where I can’t comfortably keep my palm flat behind the mouse so like I have to tilt my wrist to the right a little, similar to handwriting where the base of your thumb isn’t flat on the mouse pad, is this ok or should it be flat and should I be flattening it when aiming with my wrist?
Does it need to be tilted enough that your thumb side of the palm is floating above the mousepad? I have the same sensation and the pinky side of my palm rests more heavily on the pad than my thumb side, but the thumb side is still in contact just with less pressure.
@@StruthGaming my arm tends to rotate toward the pinky side a lot, pretty much all my weight of the hand is on that bone on the palm. Also yeah my thumb from the tip to the base is basically floating no matter what kind of mouse I use with my above average hand size. I was more or less interested at if you would think that would affect the smoothness or stability in the wrist or if it wouldn’t really affect much at all, thanks for the reply sorry I didn’t see this until now lol love the content from you.
@@StruthGaming Just in case you do come back to this vid for some comments, I did find out that supination actually helps use the forearm muscles a little more efficiently so that thumb side of the palm not touching is ok as long as its around 10 degrees just no more then 15 though. Just something interesting I wanted to share. The info came from a 1hp video he did with benjyfish a pro fortnight player on his posture/ergonomics. anyone can correct me if I'm wrong though :)
My palms are just outside my shoulder line but just not as much as yours due to limited desk space, do you think that would be a problem?..How much outside the shoulder line should they really be?..
MY ARMRESTS ARE IN THE WAYYYYYY!!!!! their height is perfectly flush with the table when im in my best position. this pushes the chair back a lot. i think ill remove them
perfect video but i have a weird issue when i find my good shoulder position and raise my chair, i cant slide my leg under my desk because im to tall now but my arm are perfect, any idea ?
so I think I actually found the perfect spot! but im kinda sore, would that be common for not playing like this for the past 6+ years? I used to play with a little more flare. Does getting use to a new unfamiliar position cause a little strain since my body is used to the past position?
If you can have your hand sitting any deeper onto the desk that would give you more room to work with. Otherwise raising your sensitivity a bit so you don't need to travel so far for those aiming movements. Skewing your setup can also help give you more room to pull down.
I have. Love how the glide feels but where I live it's just always too humid and my skin sticks to the surface. Even with arm sleeve/artist glove my fingertips/thumb are enough to ruin the glide. Probs an amazing pad if you live somewhere
With, it shouldn't make any difference though. The only difference would be the direction you have to move your mouse irl to perform a 360, the distance would stay the same.
hi @StruthGaming when you mean "just below parallel with the desk" does this mean your weight is shifted towards your hand? like the back of the palm or something, im having trouble understanding it tbh, does anyone know?
Is there a email I can reach you at? I would like to setup a call with you so you can help me I’m having a little trouble with optimal height. I will pay you for your time. I’m just trying to get rank up in Val I’m currently imm2 but I know if I get this right I might unlock secret potential with aiming
This video seems incredibly pointless. Those who spent substantial amount of time already know their sweet spot. And those who are bad at aiming are gonna think now that it's not that they're bad aimers, but that they had bad posture all the time.
I laughed out loud when I seen this video in the suggested videos for me. I can't believe there is a grown ass man giving advice on how to sit in a chair and click a button to shoot an imaginary gun. This is hysterical.
This is the second time i've come across this particular comment when going through comments, and both times i've sat here for several minutes trying to understand what motivated you to bother typing it out. Where do you draw the line? Are Golf coaches similarly hysterical? People enjoy improving and learning more about their hobbies and interests so it should be no surprise that there would be educational content for gaming too.
this is so wrong, go see how Rapha play, like Cooler was playing during years too... Stop saying the symtrical things are best instead of understanding what position give a real advantage
Anyone has experience using Aeron? At first it felt quite comfortable but now I'd prefer a chair less leaning backward as I spend most day coding. It has a 'forward tilt' but the position doesn't feel natural. Any recommendations?
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Bro, I've spent thousands of hours trying to figure out what the best way to find the correct position is, but using the shoulders as wayfinders is quite creative, thanks!
Little tip in the comments: If you happen to have multiple worn mousepads but not an adjustable desk, you can use them to raise the main mousepad to a better position without compromising chair height. I personally have two 3mm mousepads below my main pad.
You should just put thick material to elevate whole desk, because keyboard height can cause lots of pain if it’s offset
the neutral shoulders tip is so good, i hadnt realized mine were slightly shrugged this whole time
Now I expect perfection the next time we q up.
I’ve been obsessing over posture ever since I got into aiming. This video is so informative and has helped me achieve my perfect feeling setup. I realized I was sitting with my arms parallel to my desk so I gave up a lot of control and forced my shoulders to do more. Now aiming is feeling better and more comfortable. Thank you for this video 🫡
this is amazing, for the longest time ive noticed something doesnt feel right and im over extending or tensing up too much and this is why. I hope this genuinely does help and is not just a placebo as ive just changed it up
This is the foundation. Once you get the angle and height right…: you can really start controlling the flicks. Like popping a towel or bullwhip.
You are really good. Going down ergonomics rabbithole and you gave best and most complete advice.
I really appreciate that! Plenty more to come. Any topics you'd like to see me cover sooner rather than later?
@@StruthGamingHey, I’m very interested in sitting consistently in the chair. What if chair angle suddenly is offset, resulting in 24% performance drop in score in aiming tasks and 11% in accuracy! Like how do you ensure that your wrist glides the same way everytime? Ron Rambo Kim does some warming up 1-5 mins, but for me sometimes it took 1 hour to get the peak performance position feeling back. There’s chair relative position to the table, rotation of chair, compensation of back of arm and table angle. I’ve figured compensation of back of arm via chair, but how to place chair consistently to the table? Even fixing peripherals by marking on table doesn’t seem to help. Please just make video of getting into table and reaching the position. It’s not about the focus or the zone, but about keeping same motion with same muscles.
I actually ended up buying a height adjustable desk(Ikea one!), seeing as I do a lot of gaming, I figured might as well as spend the extra and get one that helps me setup properly.
For sure, I got some legs off ebay (no longer listed) and put a big ikea tabletop on it. Totally worth the $$ and effort.
I'm addicted to these types of video, instantly subbed once I found out this channel from the kovaaks videos.
Thank you! That means a lot.
This video is perfect. I always knew something felt off being parallel with the desk. Now I know why
Man, I've been trying to get this right for days now, but I just can't seem to do it. My arm always starts to hurt, whether it's after a while or instantly. It's almost like there are a few muscles that are super weak or something. I only feel comfortable when my whole arm is resting on the table, but then my wrist starts to angle upwards or doesn't rest correctly on the table when I start aim training. As I continue to aim train, my wrist becomes even more angled upwards. Alternatively, my posture may be compromised and not ergonomic.
im sorry to hear this. i had this problem and ignored it for years. eventually had to get surgery due to ulnar nerve entrapment. Make sure you sit ergonomically. Stretch really good before and after gaming. ALSO LOOK UP ulnar nerve glide exercises. do them twice a day and it can help a ton with the fatigue. Also just getiing a 10 lb dumbbell and doing some basic arm workouts for 5 literal minutes a day can fix this issue before it becomes worse. Do some research on stretches for gamers and exercises for the hand/wrist that you can do to start out. Remember that movement of your joints creates fluid that lubricates them. So exercise is the key to healthy joints for a gamer. Hope this helps a little bit and sending good vibes your way!
Bro it’s a fine fine spot. 2 to 3 cm makes a big difference for me.
use online ergonomic calculator, DON’T STRETCH, find that spot of endless painless sitting. It’s possible and is very complex
@@TheMainEvnt601I would say every cm matters, 24% of my performance in Aimlabs is just sitting position!
omg literally I have the same problem
I struggled with finding that sweet spot for months, thank you bro.
You're most welcome!
You really could level the camera, but I appreciated the no nonsense, straight to the point presentation.
When it comes to my setup I sadly I am very tall (I am 6'1") most desk here in the US are either very small/low or to big/wide (Meaning the legs are getting in the way for me to sit properly) so trying to find the right desk set up was hard but I op for a Standing Desk which thankfully helped, and while most gaming chairs are amazing any gaming chair I got was to low for the desk so I had to find someone to make my own chair to be able to follow any of these steps.
I thankfully found the right set up but it really came down to what I was given. This could be the same for you but in my way my desk/chair were the issues here not me but I thankfully found out due to this guide.
I’m 6’1 too you’re not that tall trust me lol
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Gonna try this! Had surgery for osteonecrosis of the scaphoid (which is a small bone mid road between your palm and your wrist) and since then Im not able to play more than an hour straight because of the stiffness...first 15-20 mins is perfect then any small adjustment turns into me almost smashing my hand on the wall or my keyboard. The multiple mouse pads seems like a good idea too!
wow thank you man this helped me so much seriously I have an adjustable desk and thanks to your video I noticed it was way too high so I lowered it and now it's way better thank you man :)
I got a really nice used desk like 10 years ago and a cheap great $30 computer chair even longer ago. The desk is a little too high and the chair doest go up or down (broken) so Ive been stuck in this awkward lower position where my forearms lean upwards leaning on the corner of the table having to shrug to get higher position. Its awful and just got used to this, but now Im really feeling uncomfortable.
The desk is great and I will be looking for a new chair that can go higher to reach that proper spot, Thanks a lot for the video helps very much!
I would like to say thank you so much for your video. I have overlooked ergonomics for so long after trying so hard to focus on mouse grip and aim sensitivity. Thinking it would be the end all be all to fixing my low kda and fatigue.
My kill average in Valorant easily went from 9-10 to 15-20 and sometimes 25+ a game. I’m so happy not only because it improved my aiming (without changing my sensitivity and grip) but also my posture has improved not to mention my sleep. I’ve been sleeping/waking up so much better now than before. I can’t even remember the last time I had a back strain since watching your video.
Before watching this, I am always slouching since I have a low monitor (the ASUS Vp249qgr has a low stand) which makes me look downward always when using the computer. And my arms were always wide since my chair was too low making my table to be too high. Elevating the books to raise the monitor and increasing chair height worked wonders for me. Thank you so much again!! Hoping to buy an adjustable table someday since I am a WFH employee and I’m on my PC the whole day everyday (from work to gaming).
This video was a real posture check 💪
the zoom in on your biceps there 0:22 I see you I see you
I have cut off the legs of my dining room table and remove the support bar in the front. Oh yeah... it's gaming time.
For those in the market for an adjustable (sit/stand) desk, always check the weight rating of the desk before buying!
Ideally, you should literally add up the weight of all items you're intending to put on your adjustable desk (including the table top). Things like the PC tower, monitors, other paraphernalia, even the pressure of your arms/your weight when leaning on the desk - it can add up pretty quickly!
I opted for a "dual motor" adjustable desk that had twice the weight rating (300lb/140kg) of the Ikea Bekant (150 lb/70 kg).
Just something to keep in mind!
Great advice!
Table height, elbow position, forearm/elbow anchor point, mouse resting point on table in relation to torso position(table-length-wise), mousepad position, mousepad/table rotation angle, mousepad stack height, mouse centering on mousepad.
There are also 2 entirely different aim setups, that need trained differently, and have different functions: scoped aim, and non-scoped aim. Non-scope aim skill/strategy/sensitivity does not translate much to scoped aim skill/strategy/sensitivity.
I'm sure I remember you doing a similar video on the Kovaaks channel so really appreciate this more in depth one!
I have a height adjustable desk and my forearm lies flat on my mousepad/desk but if I move my arm forward so my mouse is at the top of the pad, my shoulder goes from a neutral position to slightly dropped (I guess it's compensating for the arm extension) is this normal? If I keep my shoulder in a neutral position then my elbow raises off the desk slightly.. not sure if this is just normal though? It's not like I play like this for extended periods, but just something I noticed when trying to find my optimal height when setting up my desk.
You're most welcome! When aiming to the top of the mousepad you're probably going to have to compromise the shoulder or elbow in some way. I personally do a bit of both, but never let my entire arm come off the pad entirely. The sensation is taking more weight off my arm. Fortunately we rarely need to aim that far up, unless you're using a very low sensitivity.
Thing for me is that when I place my arm same level with my desk, it’s harder to make vertical motion, but if I place my whole arm and elbow on my desk, it makes it easier to control, but I have to turn my whole body and have to reach my left arm out to touch the keyboard and it’s uncomfortable
thank you king, i need to get this right and stop making my back so sore
i feel like with my aim i have changed it so many times ive lost a consistent "anchor" point or point of reference with my aim. i always look at these videos and see the same type of aiming style so i try to implement it. my main 2 shortcomings in aim is comfortably sitting and aiming- my right arm aiming shoulder heavily flares forward even if i put my shoulders level and arms 90 degrees out in front. and 2 -i have a difficult time staying in the focus flow state, i tend to panic between what im even doing while aiming and tend to miss shots on my target. any tips on staying comfortable and level headed while playing? amazing video btw
Same. With me Im trying to compete again today after some 12 years w/o playing PC games for serious and Im having a lot of trouble figuring out what changed in order to fix it. Sometimes I think its the heights, sometimes I think its the sore shoulders, neck and traps, sometimes I think its the Carpal Tunnels I never went to correct, or the change from CRT 4:3 resolution to flat screens at 16:9... Sometimes I think the reason for the inconsistency is just that my eyes and brains got older and and all those thoughts starts a midlife crisis lol
@@gxmcdg gaming/aiming is a skill, like riding a bike to give you an example or playing golf. There is no advice or fix you can read to suddenly be able to ride/balance the bike, you have to do it consistently for you to adapt and learn. Gaming is the same thing people tend to forget that ive noticed, looking for a ”tip” that will fix their aim. Although some of them do help specially posture could help a little bit, in the end its continous practice that will make you better.
@@gxmcdgim so happy someone relates. last year of gaming i get constant tension in my right shoulder. i cant tell if they are shrugged forward or maybe my chair isnt high enough but it really distorts my aim and its almost like a mental game
a year late... but the jaw drop when he said exactly would i would b concerned about that he made a video about as well, man credit has to be given when it has to and this is just a winner a landslide. thank u, going to ur other vid. earned my sub XD
This is the best advice on TH-cam
I've been in a neutral position for a long time now since I fixed it before. But I find that in tac fps my aim is just more stable and has smoother movements when my whole srm is resting on the table. Resulting also to more consustent performance.
A cheaper option instead of buying a new desk is getting a longer/shorter gas lift for your chair. They cost around $20-$40.
I'm built like a human chimp, short legs and very long arms, but thanks to this video and a few adjusments, my posture is now better :P ty
Hi man! Thank you for this video! I’m 184 cm (with shoes) and I had cronical pain since 8 yrs. I cannot feel comfortable with low back and neck…!
Can you share with us the distance that you have between chair and top desk (and also the height of your desk please)? It can be a right starting point to understand better my problem. Thank you in advance ❤
idk if im too stupid for this, but even with this guide i cannot figure out if my shoulders are hitting neutral or if they arent
Don't take this to heart, this video is a joke
You Save my life. Ive Been trying for years bow🎉
i definitely need to get an adjustable desk at some point 😉
I must have some anatomic problem coz for a table top to be in line with my forearm with 90º angled elbows and relaxed shoulders, it has to be around 3cm deep into my tights...
your shoulders are most likely rounded forward in shrugged position. roll you traps and shoulder back. i had the same problem
Thanks Struth, i'm performing better, but more important, gaming feels a lot more comfy.
What chair do you have? Been looking for a good chair thats not crazy expensive. Definitely might buy that desk as well
I have really long arms for no reason so i have to lower my desk but then my legs are touching the bottom of the desk
Thanks for a great video, been looking for something like this for a while, i would like to ask you something, why do you think a large margin of fps pros, such as valoranr or cs pros sit with desk high/chair low causing wider arm positioning?
My guess is that this comes from having little choice in lan setups, and from home setups with lower chairs (like using a dining chair on a regular office desk) and they grew up aiming like that. There's no real benefit or secret sauce to why they do it, more likely it's just what they're used to.
@@StruthGaming Thanks!
I've got short legs and a long torso, so my configuration is all jacked up.
Long limbs, shorter torso here so I feel your pain. Hard to get things perfect but close enough is good enough :)
So I have an adjustable desk and a herman miller chair. I should be able to get to the perfect spot but I'm starting to think my legs are just too big. I work out quite a bit and whenever I lower the desk or raise the chair to get my arms in the perfect spot, the desk is just pressing into my quads... Can't seem to find a solution for this.
Great video! Loves from Turkey!
Thank you! Love from Australia :)
Can't believe I've been playing wrong for years!!! (great video btw : )
Problem with keeping table that low is precision on the upper part and far right side of the mousepad is reduced
Mnk is so hard. All this hardware and all the hassle to just get to play. It's insane.
I need to try a new desk. I had to stay at my mom’s for two weeks, I practiced using refrag and I was playing better than I have in years. Then I came back to my house and haven’t been able to play on the desk, so I’ve been playing on my dining room table. I’ve been playing awfully no matter how much I practice, and I’m starting to believe it might be because of the setup. Am I just coping or could this be a real issue?
Hey, this video really helped me.
I think, my left arm (mouse side) is perfect now, but I have problems with my right arm (keyboard side).
I cant find the perfect position. I like it angled, but since I raised the table, my right elbow kind of hurts when I play and use my keyboard.
What can I do ?
my shoulder always tenses up rlly badly whenever i aim train idk how to fix it
problem with me is i have a small table so it feels like it puts my arm oput of position, and makes me feel weird
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Amazing content thank you for this!
hi I'm a korean subscripber, I thank your good quality videos. I have a wonder that I recently changed my key board, tkl to mini, and it no has farm rest. after the change, my wrist and shoulder have gotten the pain. please let me know how about the right placement of keyboard and the shape? of the hand is. and I want to know what you think about farm rest
When I aim I'm finding my wrist is kinda twisting to the right , so if i rest my wrist on the table my pinky finger is rested but my thumb is floating. Cam really feel the tension.
My shoulders don't align properly in neutral because I broke my collarbone lol my left shoulder is constantly higher that it should be
My problem is the damn chairs are always sinking, an adjustable desk and just maxing the chair or something would be way easier
My right arm gets marks coz lying on computer desk end ,,anything that could help with that please 🙏🤔
what if ur hand sticks to the mousepad?
May seem silly, but I wash my hands/wrist (whatever skin contacts the pad) with soap before playing, and during sessions when things start to slow down again.
@@StruthGaming i do that but it still doesnt change anything itll just do it again
just found you today and god dayum i love your tips
Thank you!
love your videos btw
Thank you :)
Should I lock my chair upright or unlock the tilt?
Here we go
I feel like I have this weird issue where I can’t comfortably keep my palm flat behind the mouse so like I have to tilt my wrist to the right a little, similar to handwriting where the base of your thumb isn’t flat on the mouse pad, is this ok or should it be flat and should I be flattening it when aiming with my wrist?
Does it need to be tilted enough that your thumb side of the palm is floating above the mousepad? I have the same sensation and the pinky side of my palm rests more heavily on the pad than my thumb side, but the thumb side is still in contact just with less pressure.
@@StruthGaming small tip on the edge, when there is too much pressure on the pinky side u can use a drawing glove for better friction.
@@StruthGaming my arm tends to rotate toward the pinky side a lot, pretty much all my weight of the hand is on that bone on the palm. Also yeah my thumb from the tip to the base is basically floating no matter what kind of mouse I use with my above average hand size. I was more or less interested at if you would think that would affect the smoothness or stability in the wrist or if it wouldn’t really affect much at all, thanks for the reply sorry I didn’t see this until now lol love the content from you.
@@StruthGaming Just in case you do come back to this vid for some comments, I did find out that supination actually helps use the forearm muscles a little more efficiently so that thumb side of the palm not touching is ok as long as its around 10 degrees just no more then 15 though. Just something interesting I wanted to share. The info came from a 1hp video he did with benjyfish a pro fortnight player on his posture/ergonomics. anyone can correct me if I'm wrong though :)
@@Time_-x cheers. I have the same wrist rotation and I'm glad to hear its nothing seriously effecting aim.
My palms are just outside my shoulder line but just not as much as yours due to limited desk space, do you think that would be a problem?..How much outside the shoulder line should they really be?..
The Dr Scholz of aiming
MY ARMRESTS ARE IN THE WAYYYYYY!!!!! their height is perfectly flush with the table when im in my best position. this pushes the chair back a lot. i think ill remove them
ok i took them off yeah we gaming
my feet are off the floor though my desk is high as shit
What is the best budget chair that i can the change height from the chair so that i can match it with my desk
what's the mause pad reference you use? do you recommend it? I have currently a 90 x 30 one but I am thinking of increasing the size of it.
I have a Glorious 3XL pad that covers most of my desk. Atm I use an Xray-Pad Equate on top of it for actual aiming.
I love these kind of simple tips that are like the "infinite bang for your buck", since the cost is zero and the benefits are definitely there.
perfect video but i have a weird issue when i find my good shoulder position and raise my chair, i cant slide my leg under my desk because im to tall now but my arm are perfect, any idea ?
Exactly! Same problem 😂 This doesn’t work for longer arms, I can’t slide my leg under with just below parallel arm height
When you say the desk should be a little bit higher than the neutral shoulder position, how much higher do you mean?
so I think I actually found the perfect spot! but im kinda sore, would that be common for not playing like this for the past 6+ years? I used to play with a little more flare. Does getting use to a new unfamiliar position cause a little strain since my body is used to the past position?
I only watched this video because I started getting neck and back pain because of my diabolical sitting positions while playing,
does it make sens to put the mousepad "inside" the lining of my shoulders?
Im 169cm and i lowered the desk down to 25 inches but it still high for me
Dont focus too much on perfect posture, take notice of how you sit after an hour and make that as comfortable as possible
hello , my chair has chair arm then im putting my arm on the chair arm , my wrist near pinky is pain , should i change a chair or something ?
remove the arms?
When i try aiming down at something below me in the game my mouse and hand go off the desk because i have to swipe back off the desk. Got any advice?
If you can have your hand sitting any deeper onto the desk that would give you more room to work with. Otherwise raising your sensitivity a bit so you don't need to travel so far for those aiming movements.
Skewing your setup can also help give you more room to pull down.
@@StruthGaming thanks
Did you ever try a skypad, and what’s the one you like best?
I have. Love how the glide feels but where I live it's just always too humid and my skin sticks to the surface. Even with arm sleeve/artist glove my fingertips/thumb are enough to ruin the glide. Probs an amazing pad if you live somewhere
I got a question? Do you measure you 360cm with or without you custom rotation?
With, it shouldn't make any difference though. The only difference would be the direction you have to move your mouse irl to perform a 360, the distance would stay the same.
@@StruthGaming that’s kinda what I’m seeing just checking. Thank you for relying. Much appreciated.
my table too tall
dude i still struggle every day still unfcomrotable
same man. my right should has constant tension no matter what i do. i trolling sitting up straight or fully letting it relax but still tension.
What chair do you have?
Question: Is chair's arms the dumbest thing in the world for a gaming chair, correct? It only gets in the way, never helps with anything...
Yeah, I remove mine if it's ever an option.
When I put my chair to the perfext Position my legs get pressed against the desk, don't you get this Problem? @@StruthGaming
0:21 nice muscle
he just wanted to show off his arm gains
What chair do you have ?
Why do I play insanely worse with the "perfect" aiming position than having my desk higher than normal?
you got used to the friction. its like having a new sensetivity. you just need to adapt
hi @StruthGaming when you mean "just below parallel with the desk" does this mean your weight is shifted towards your hand? like the back of the palm or something, im having trouble understanding it tbh, does anyone know?
Is there a email I can reach you at? I would like to setup a call with you so you can help me I’m having a little trouble with optimal height. I will pay you for your time. I’m just trying to get rank up in Val I’m currently imm2 but I know if I get this right I might unlock secret potential with aiming
You can email me with some more information at struthgaming93@gmail.com and I'll see what I can do.
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its funny how much worse these aiming posture videos made my aim be , sitting like you say make me not be able to do 180 correctly
The best League of Legends player in the world, Faker, uses armrests. I know, different from shooters, but still, something to think about.
first lol
This video seems incredibly pointless. Those who spent substantial amount of time already know their sweet spot. And those who are bad at aiming are gonna think now that it's not that they're bad aimers, but that they had bad posture all the time.
I laughed out loud when I seen this video in the suggested videos for me. I can't believe there is a grown ass man giving advice on how to sit in a chair and click a button to shoot an imaginary gun. This is hysterical.
This is the second time i've come across this particular comment when going through comments, and both times i've sat here for several minutes trying to understand what motivated you to bother typing it out.
Where do you draw the line? Are Golf coaches similarly hysterical? People enjoy improving and learning more about their hobbies and interests so it should be no surprise that there would be educational content for gaming too.
You should check the winning prizes for fps games tournaments. Then you too can become hysterical.
this is so wrong, go see how Rapha play, like Cooler was playing during years too...
Stop saying the symtrical things are best instead of understanding what position give a real advantage
Anyone has experience using Aeron? At first it felt quite comfortable but now I'd prefer a chair less leaning backward as I spend most day coding. It has a 'forward tilt' but the position doesn't feel natural. Any recommendations?