Be Careful of This COMMON Gamer Pain (PC USERS)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- There seems to be a common pain that PC gamers are feeling with the arm and shoulder that controls the mouse. This is a discomfort I personally feel at times -- and this video is to bring awareness to it and to introduce Matt from 1HP to share his professional advice on why it's happening and what we can do to prevent and alleviate the stress with stretches anyone can do at home.
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This is seriously high quality information. All these exercises and tips are better than almost any paid therapy you could have.
I'm super impressed. Great collab and thanks for introducing us to Matt's content as well.
Tyty
perfect timing! My shoulder just started to hurt
CycJluk lmao same just yesterday.
Same here
probably due to the lock down huh?
Same lmao had it for a week now and just got recommended
Mine stopped hurting. as fast as it came. didn't really do anything different. I think I just slept wrong. one night.
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xDDD i went to the comment section just to see if someone else noticed hahaha
@@duckh0le859 ikr!!!!!!
Ron,
I've been using the tips in this video along with updating the ergonomics of my PC, and it's changed my life for the better. You're doing amazing work with this.
Perfect timing man. Was looking into it for couple days
man, you really deserve more subs, a lot of people out there have problems like this but they still haven't found you, and these are some really useful stuff.
Ty Tea. I'm here to help!
You have to go the Gym and make some sports to make blood run through your body and also take massage procedures. This pain happens when you spend a lot of time in one position during gaming, and there will be no problem, if you go next day to the gym and make different exercises with your arms, shoulders and chest. We, guys, in this particular time spend to much time seating in front of comps or TV, when our body CRYES for some physical movements!!! We have to move to live. if you dont have a job that requires a lot of hard work, you definetly need regularly go to the gym, if you want to stay healthy and not to become a creaker, when you are 30!!! Plus as a bonus your gaming reactions will also improve, cause you will get much more energy in your body. You will have more endurance, reactions will become sharper. You will feal charged! Full of energy! Thats not just my talking. I am also a big fan of fps games. Last year i started to work with trainer in a gym, and now i feal myself muuuuuuch better in all the ways! Hope you, guys, will use this advise.
Teammax beautiful points, friend! Exercise should definitely be part of our life in every circumstance to live a happier and healthier experience and it will most definitely help with our gaming too!
Teammax good advice mate
+1 even when I just started going to the gym and was still technically unfit (aka still fat as hell): my overall body aches pissed off and my in game performance was noticeably more consistent after a week of gym everyday for 30 minutes minimum.
Combine that with getting a wrist rest, hand warmers, and a pair of sports sleeves: my aim is extremely consistent now. I might try out Dr. Levi Harrison's advice on paraffin wax for my hands for getting blood flow going but so far I'm happy as hell.
Thanks for the advice, now I'll go back to working out even at home
Outstanding video Ron, some really helpful stuff on here.
I was always curious what long term physical effects gaming would have on us and figured our generation would be the first to really see it play out and the talk about noticing your 'in the zone' posture and having to adjust it for your own well being is extremely interesting.
As of now, the only physical effect has been this shoulder issue. I know some others out there have had discomfort in other areas like the wrist, forearm or elbow. This is why its important for regular body maintenance to prevent all of this later in our ages!
@@RonRamboKim Will the pain go if I do those exercises?
@@HemanthTG idk
Great video! I had actually gone to the doc before this quarantine stuff and he was telling me I may need surgery, but he never asked about how much I use a mouse to game.
Glad I could help! I highly recommend getting the brace
thank you for this video! i have this problem and recently started working on it, your timing is great! keep up the great work man!
Thanks Nick!
I've been having this pain for the last few months and this video helped so much the brace and the exercises have completely stop the pain ty!
This is very good info , excited to get my posture brace i have hunched over most my life.
u help me so much from i'm starting the esport, love on u dude
Great video, my workaround for this problem was leaning back more so my posture was straighter, this forced my shoulder down and back into a healthier position. It also means that even though my desk is fairly high up (and a lot of my arm is on the desk), because I'm not leaning forward I'm not putting any weight on my forearm. With this method I still get the same sense of control over the mouse, without the shoulder pain. Another thing that has helped me tremendously with overall arm, wrist and shoulder pain has been hanging. I think joe rogan mentioned it a couple times, essentially you just hang from a pullup bar for 3+ minutes a day. Also knuckle pushups (do a thumbs up and then do a pushup with your thumb and knuckles touching the floor). Important to not flare your elbows when doing these, keep them close to your body, your fists should be almost touching your chest. Bad for your shoulder otherwise.
These videos are fantastic. You package this information well, and from trusted sources with trusted experience.
Glad you like them!
WOW !!! this is an essential video for me. I often got a pain in my shoulder because my posture isn't good while playing FPS. Great video !
Tyty! Please take care
@@RonRamboKim ron, i wanna ask you. To improve in FPS game, do we need to be afraid of our stat in leaderboard? Because sometimes, I'm still have a bad mindset about worrying much of leaderboard... :(
@@andrasense im sure u shouldnt be stressed on that :) do ur best and relax ;)
Bro I want to cry now it finally stopped like 4 months with this pain I am so happy and definitely subscribing and liking the video
I ve never been so grateful for watching a TH-cam video! Thank you very much, you re literally a life saver with all these exercises
super informative video. Just really noticed that my right trap is extremely tense compared to my left.
I just switched from controller to mouse and key and have been having terrible pain in my right shoulder!!! So glad I found this video. I need a shorter desk I think but I will be doing these stretches as well🙌
Glad I could help!
this was by far the best video you made, I just started playing valorant and have been trying to get better at aiming using a lot of the information you have present and I've begun to develop pain in the shoulder. These stretches are amazing and It also made me look at my set up more, I now sit with an armrest it has help a lot
Thanks Bryant. Glad to help!
“Man my back and my neck and shoulder is so sore”
You must work really hard
No I play video games
These exercises are also popular among swimmers . Swimming is the best exercise and you get to have fun too.
i think you should upload an video showing your fragging power, i think it's not just me who is eager to see it.btw more power to you mr.kim, you are a blessing to the fps community❤️
i just realized i bring my elbow forward not just from my mouse but from playing with my keyboard vertically. This video helped me, thanks!
This is some of the best content I have seen on this issue, well researched and thorough! Subscribed. I also watched your video of you playing with shroud and you are an insane player!!
Ty Harry :D
Thank you so mucn. I play a lot of hours a day and was starting to get neck and shoulder pain, and i think thie video will help me a lot
I've seen so many "therapist" spew broscience in the gaming community, but this guy was actually legit. Love to see it :)
Thanks for the tips! You might want to look into switching to a more supportive chair. It's cheaper than back surgery down the line!
got shoulder pain for long time and tried several sexercises to compensate along with trying to get a better posture but everytime i'm finding myself holding the mouse far away from my torso and that's causing pain in my shoulder and then on my wrist. this and other videos are helping me going through this rough journey pain with your suggestions and i can't thank you enough for it. cheers !
Great content, really helped thank you so much
This is the video I needed. I would always get soreness/pain right under my right shoulder on my back. Is there going to be a video about wrist pain/discomfort in the future maybe about stretches or exercises to help with it?
Again, love the content :)
Check out Matt's youtube channel for wrist videos
Thank you so much ❤️ you're the man!!
I agree with alot of things you said in this video however I'll have to disagree with using a posture brace. A forward leaning posure with rounded shoulders is very common nowadays as alot more people are sitting in front of a desk all day for their jobs and hobbies. The underlying issue behind a forward leaning posture is caused by bad habits aswell as weak back muscles, while I think a posture brace might help someone realise how bad thier posture is and make them more concious about when they're leaning forward or rounding their shoulder too much, what'll happen over time is the muscles in your back will want to switch off since the brace is doing all the work for you. So I think using the brace excessively could make the issue worse for you in day-to-day life when you're not wearing the brace.
I think a better solution to wearing a brace is doing some basic strength training with row / pull movements that'll help you conciously keep your shoulders externally rotated and pulled back properly while you sit.
Just bc rounded shoulders is common don’t mean it’s ok to do lmao idiot
i once played with low sens, used my forearm not the wrist, sitting like you showed. my aim was easily 30% better but its not worth it if you got pain. i even discovered that my aim is much more precise when the desk is higher but that comes with wrist and shoulder pain.
I am a 3D CAD modeler, not a gamer, but I am so grateful for this. Thank you, thank you!
Thanku so much for the video I am having the same shoulder pain this is really helpful
In regards to what you said about an adjustable desk and keeping your body at 90 degree angles, I find an adjustable chair and appropriately sized footrest is all I need to achieve that (I just use a cardboard box, a far cheaper alternative to a new desk for all us poor folks out here)
I just implemented a very sturdy desk and ensured my arm is in neutral position and posture is straight and my gameplay quality increased 10 fold. God bless!
thanks it help
immediately after i start using this tips its weird but thanks for this :)
This helps so much now I understand the root cause of my shoulder pain also these exercises feel good
Nice!
Please more info about table height and need of footstep aka foot boost
Thank you!
This stretching exercise made me think of what autimatic does between rounds, is it related to neck stress relief?
Oh and great content as always 👍
very useful thank you
Well i just got done banging out a 6 hour sesh learn over crooked with my arm to high up on the desk.
R.i.p.
i love you !! this helped allot thanks
Great content!
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I literally can’t play for more than one hour, or else I’ll get back pain. In between my shoulder blades gets all knotted up. Very sad
I play games a ton, work on computers for a living during the day and lift a lot, ended up tearing my rotator cuff and these really helped a lot with the pain. Now I do these all the time and work on posture.
this really helped me :D
PERFECT TIMING , i use a very low sens and is painful
Not just gamers, I work as a professional software engineer and I have this issue
This is very helpful!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Very common problem! It exists among boxers, other athletes, and just regular people as well. Gotta do those facepulls and stretches to loosen the front delts and pecs.
I swear just yesterday I took medications for my pain, holy shit dude, stop watching my life!
Love ur vids btw, stalker. 🤩
Ty, please take care
When you said you had the pain too I was so God damn happy that I'm not the only one who has it
Yes, be careful !
Awsome video ! To complete the subject, maybe you can do a vid on forearm/wrist.
I am struggling for 8+ monthes with wrist tendonitis and elbow tendonitis, with long pauses, massages from physiotherapist, stretching exercices, stanish procedure, a lot of different things but it is still there. Each time i gain a bit of mobility it get pain again and restart where i was, idk how to strenghten else than stannish.
Some reasons why the forearm can be stressed is due to overly bending the wrist -- continuously pushing into maximum wrist bend. Too much grip pressure and using a funky finger/hand placement also can cause forearm stress
@@RonRamboKimSo have the most basic mouse grip, I don't tippically twist my wrist, when i got injured i was playing in a certain context that caused me wrist injury but i stopped playing this game and champion altogether.
On fps i don't flip that much i play rifle, mainly csgo so i don't do 360s. I changed my whole setup i indeed had a too low desk and laptop (i'm 6ft1) which had my wrist bent a bit, so it was bent up front because of the desk, and laterraly because of the game i played, that makes sense for my injury, plus the bent neck from using a laptop.
Now I have an ergonomic chair with armrests (they only move up down no rotation sadly), a table with a slight 3° tilt that is set to the perfect height for my elbows to be in a 90/100° angle. My laptop screen is on top of 2 boxes so that my eyes are a little bit under the top of the screen. I use a vertical mouse for studying, and a normal to game, i have a usb keyboard.
I stretch my forearm every day and do inner reinforcement trough plank exercises. I bought the shoulder brace you suggested 2 days ago and it's feels already a bit better because i had some pain in the shouler if i played too long. I can easily dislocate my shoulder and make it crack weird ways so it is perfect for me.
Have you ever seen a case of chronic epicondylite (tennis elbow) in gaming ? Cause my problem is doctors are not familiar with patients injured from repetitive bad posture and are more focus on sport injuries. I don't see the end of it. At this point it is ruining my life.
I also think the monitor CENTER should be at eye level and not the top of the monitor. This will prevent you more from looking down and bending the head forward in my opinion.
I went from high sens to low and got this pain, it fucked me up for ages i still have it mildly, but i increased my sens to around s1mples sens and its not as bad but i've tried all sorts of physiotherapy nothing seems to work.
i dont like how he just described exactly my possition
I've never had this issue. My left elbow hurts from pressing into the desk too much. I gotta use a second mouse pad as a cushion.
Same lol
I got another idea from a Dr. Move mouse pad to your right side lap. get a small chair,,footstool, or something like a drummers chair,. maybe use a clipboard on top, put it next to right leg, about same height. (as your lap) that has helped me.
Get a sock, put a ball in it. tennis ball, or something like that, and lean up against the wall, and run the ball over the spot that hurts. go up and down, move the ball around.
Hope this helps !!
I've been doing the same exact aim_botz map routine without even knowing it was therapeutic lol
This man is like gold dust!
I just checked out the coaching website. Do you do coaching for non csgo games?
push-up everyday for 30 this will make your pain gone and good for your gaming health trust me now im like pashabiceps
Edit:everytime you push-up its fix sel,tishu,and your blood its like more self terephy sry bad english from russia
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As a med student, this is true. Muscles when stressed are actually tearing in cellular level which is good since it promotes regeneration. And the new tissue cells that make your muscles is made stronger and tougher than before. Hence why constant lifting = muscle mass/bigger muscle
Working out in general would help the problem too, just be sure to focus on exercises that are going to fix imbalances.
Thanks blyat
Man I learned a lot of Russian from playing cs
Hey man, i feel like starting out on KbM vertical aim is extremely difficult. Could you make a vertical aim tips video?💗💗💗
True lol
@Ron Rambo Kim
Thank you so much! This has helped me. Though I do have one more problem.
What about ways to help the left hand problems? Problems that go with the keyboard hand and its pain/tingling sensation?
Any tips or ways to improve myself for my left hand and forearm health?
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Never had this pain before but I did strain my upper back or something yesterday
I have similar symptoms; to the point where I’m wondering if this is a disability. The kicker is that all these symptoms are much more predominant in my left (keyboard) shoulder. The mental long term symptoms are far more severe than the pain itself. It’s turning my concentration into that of a squirrel. Very mentally exhausting and degrading to be in constant pain and discomfort every waking minute, forgetting what it feels like to not be obsessively thinking about your body as if you’re trapped in a misshaped, and way to small leather jacket. Or a night of restless sleep in a cold room with a pillowcase for a blanket. Just constantly dealing with the brain signaling discomfort is ruining my life. I’m not even a heavy gamer maybe an hour a day; this has been happening for 2-3 years now and there’s been periods of up to a year that I didn’t sit in front of a computer once. Feeling doomed.
Did you ever figure something out?
i have no expertise in this subject, but maybe you might be suffering from something bigger than spoken of in this video? its just a thought. have you spoke to your Dr about this?
Thanks man
this is why I prefer controller in gaming because it's more comfortable because you just sit and relax with your hands down holding a controller, in mouse and keyboard you need to kinda stretch your whole arm to hold the mouse and keyboard while moving and if it takes too long like more than 15 min you can feel the pain on your shoulder, I know aiming is easier on a mouse but I still prefer controller because it's more comfortable, sometimes when I use mouse and keyboard in gaming I don't play that long because my shoulder is feeling kinda hurt already, when in controller I play longer. I don't know if it's only me feeling the same way when using both of it lol! 😀
Strengthening your inner core muscles overall will help you maintain proper posture when gaming which leads to less pain and tight muscles and will let you sit way longer in proper position before you start feeling pain or tired muscles.
How do you do that?
thank you
That's a badass varidesk, but I can see your monitor wobble while you flick the mouse around lol.
I just realized that I aim much better if I press my arm down on the table, but it really tightens my shoulders....this is probably bad.
Hey Kim how's it going, just wondering do you think a vertical gaming mouse is possible to get used to? If you're too busy I understand but if you see this keep doing what your doing and have a great day and or night man!
Thx a lot
I think you forgot the link to the posture brace by primateco.
BTW thank you so mush for your work
Hey, thanks. I put the link in the description now. I highly recommend this product, it has helped me greatly
Can u please make a video on eye strains during long gaming sessions!! appreciate it..Thank You
I highly recommend low blue light glasses! Thats what im wearing
Which mouse is that? Def a ZA but there isn't a divina series ZA out yet!?
You said q and a would be weekly in the first episode
I Love you Bizeps
My dad doesn't allow me to play games on my own pc so when he went for work away for a day , I played continuously for 14hrs (few minutes breaks between) and now my hands muscles are hurting badly... can't take rest because if I do ,don't know when I will be able to play again....
Thanks for the info. I've been having this problem for too long now. And yes I play CS and I need to keep my shoulder forward or at least more ahead than my elbow to be able to move my hand fully and faster. Btw, what's the right height I should be in ? should the table hit my navel or hit between my belly and chest ?
Table height is personal preference
Ron you need a new keyboard definitely would improve your ergo. Also just keep your shoulder blade retracted you could even use the posture keeper. Finally look up the esports Dr Levi Harris. I want some of your takes on the things he's said.
Seriously, thanks.
Thx man
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Hey you put the same link twice for the mouse bungee. Just letting you know
Thanks!
I have this exactly pain, it's my new chair it is little bit to low (on the highest level) so am 18h a day compensating the 4 cm from the chair with a weird shoulder position and now it's PAINFULL and I mean it's 2 month and the pain still there, ( physio, told me to do exercise to get strengthen muscle that keeps together the joint) however try as the video says, keep a normal position with a relaxed loose natural shoulder or you gonna get this shit too. Wish best session too you' all
Sometimes I feel like my arms and legs r not in my control
Its hard to pull up my arms or hands
I have this issue in my keyboard arm, which I assume is from the same issue. My pinky finger and tricep tendon are burning for about a year now.
Perfecto!
Just Right Now Today I Felt Kinda Mess up On my Right Arm Because of Me Pulling it Back And Not Letting My Arm Rest on the Table by putting My Keyboard and Mouse Further Away For My Arm To Rest, Which is Working Out Perfectly!
If your table is too high does that make it harder to aim because more forearm and shoulder stress?
I'm kinda scared because yesterday u was having this pain