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Are breakers ruining the hobby for you?
Way to much shady crap going on with a lot of those breakers.
Breakers are showmen who are incentivized to exaggerate. They also reinforce and perpetuate exclusivity, like online gated communities, for their members and those who buy into their breaks. This can be appealing to some but in no way ruins the hobby of collecting trading cards. The concern I have about breakers is how so many of them emphasize the newest and latest product. This emphasis is unending. It seems to focus their members on always looking ahead, which unintentionally distorts the supply and demand of new trading card product.
The big manufacturers and breakers will never admit it but its in both their interest to get the loaded boxes with the reach and engagement they have. Why have little johnny open and enjoy it at home when thousands can see it live with man-children screaming.
@@srstetler301 yes, this is how they maximize revenue
@@JunkWaxHero all things in moderation. Breakers aren't ruining the hobby for me, but I am concerned about the really big ones getting any larger than they currently are.
I love that you read and acknowledge every comment Mike. This is why you’re the Junk Wax HERO!
Thank you! I don’t acknowledge ALL, but certainly most.
Agree, most at this point in subscriber count would be long long gone and rarely reply. Like a great sports talk show that takes call VS ESPN radio show which they have in all cities, you will just listen to 2 people argue all day with baseless comments. Subscribers, fans etc are what makes this move in the right direction.
@@TheCardDeal thanks. The comments are really important to me
Sort of strange that PSA would announce you can’t share grader’s notes and at the same time announce you can now grade and send directly to auction on eBay. In this scenario, the person who ultimately ends up with the card won’t have any info on why it got the grade it got. Meanwhile, the submitter, who is selling the card and therefore doesn’t want it, will have the notes regarding the condition of a card they no longer own and won’t be able to pass that info along to the buyer of the card without violating PSA’s terms of service. Absolutely brilliant minds running things over there at PSA.
This is such a great point. And thankfully PSA has clarified things more. I covered it in today’s newsletter.
I run a collectibles auction house mostly focused on stamps. Stamp certificates have grader notes already included as part of the basic service. A stamp certificate will say something like "US Stamp #1 Used 1847 5 cent Franklin with a small crease at top right, genuine in all repects" - I don't understand why a graded card doesn't say directly on the certification slab why it is graded as it is. The words will fit on the slab and would provide useful info to anyone involved that isn't the grading company.
Yeah, or go to the cert on the website and see the grader notes.
The reason why they don't want you to show and compare notes is that people will find a lot of cards graded that are a higher grade that maybe shouldn't be by comparing notes. Also your going to find a lot of mistakes or over graded and under graded cards. Then they will get caught with all there shannagines and get flooded with calls about why this or that got a better grade than another of the same card that got a lower grade. If you'll stop sending in cards to grade and let them know everybody is tired of hearing about all there problems they will have to fix all there BS problems. All there problems end up costing customers more money or losing money and with all this going on they will raise the cost. Always great info you put out mike.
I would play that vending machine in Vegas a few times. If they added screen shots of the card on a slots wheel, that would be awesome!!!
100% with you about breakers ruining a lot of the hobby. But also, as you said, they don't affect my hobby.
The vending machine was not PSA, big PSA submitter had custom made machine for repacking. On the bottom side, machine says not associated with PSA.
Thanks for the clarification
I’m not into breaking, but the hobby needs breakers to open the high dollar products in order for singles to reach the market.
Definitely Panini is loading up hits to Backyard Breaks.
I think if you submit cards to PSA and you only want a high grade, ask them not to slab the card unless it is a 10. Great solution to not needing to crack out a card. Plus PSA still gets the benefit of grading and not having to slab the card.
Card shops need to put their valuable cards in a large safe at night. This is a shame.
Great recap Mike have an awesome month off.
In regards to the eBay combined shipping issue, for me, as a long time seller, it is probably one of the top things that annoy me, because there are so many variables. So, what you brought up, is someone paying shipping on each item and not getting combined shipping. So, I urge people to contact a seller before purchasing multiple items and to ask them what the combined shipping cost would be. For me, if a customer has multiple items in their cart, I can't see that cart, and I can't send them an invoice, so in this case, I will either lower the shipping in the combined listings to reflect what the shipping cost will be, or I will create a separate listing for them with the items they want. The only way, that I can send someone an invoice, is if I have sent them offers on multiple items, and they accept those offers and wait to pay. Going back to your issue you address, when someone pays shipping on multiple items, I can reimburse them the differences, but this is annoying, because my 1099 that is reported to the government, includes all processed money, so if I refund or reimburse, I need to keep track of all of that, so I can deduct it against the 1099. I'm sure someone will say something different, but that is what I deal with.
Walmart in Florida has a Loss Prevention Dept in stores and they aren't playing. I have seen them arrest 2 seperate people in the times I have been at the store.
I think our WalMarts have Loss Prevention Teams, but I think engaging a suspected thief is not allowed. Some people are just bold enough and feel they are entitled to steal. Great episode of CTB, Mike. I’m just late watching it.
Thanks Ken!
Innovation and Change! People will be upset when it’s at a disadvantage to them or happy when it’s to their advantage. Change is happening whether we like it or not! Thanks for the video!
Hahahaha @ PSA. They did say you can write the PSA notes on a bathroom stall. Well done to the grading leaders (again).
TAG for the win! 🎉🎉
I was watching another video before bed and I thought to myself, “I never commented on Mike’s video this morning!” I was thinking of how much I love this weekly video series and I think the name is brilliant. That is all lol. Oh, and have a great first week of vacay!
Love it!! Thanks Sam!
@@JunkWaxHero you’re welcome!
Another enjoyable Clearing the Bases. As always, thank you for the content, Mike. 👍
Glad you like them!
I don't like most of PSA's gimmicks. The grader notes situation is just a stupid situation that PSA created themselves. The PSA labeled machine in the casino is from an affiliate, not PSA. You get a small chance for a valuable slab, or you could get a $20 slab. "The house always wins!" I agree with you on "breakers" making prices go up. Thefts of all sorts have been increasing more and more, as inflation increases. That wall display is very cool looking. I am an artist and hope to sell some of my original art for that kind of money! Thanks again for a very thoughtful and thought-provoking video! I will probably watch several more times and leave more comments regarding subjects that I missed in this comment.
Thanks! Good clarification on it not being owned by PSA.
The Ballpark in Arlington could be argued that it is the House That Ryan Built. I mean you can argue that.
Fair
I'm late to this, but that PSA vending machine seems problematic if it owned and operated by PSA and only gives out PSA 10s. It seems like a pretty classic conflict of interest for PSA: they are supposed to be an impartial arbiter of card condition, but since they are selling PSA 10s they will make more money if they have more PSA 10s, a fact that makes them no longer impartial. Then again, conflicts of interest are nothing new for our hobby (like the existence of the Beckett Marketplace when Beckett pricing still was the gold standard).
Someone pointed out that it is not owned by PSA
I see breakers as a positive for the way I collect.
I collect mostly UFC (some basketball too), and mostly autos. I'm able to buy autographed cards of legends of the sport like BJ Penn, Matt Hughes, Junior Dos Santos, Mark Coleman, etc. for $10-20 each. The all time greats like Andreson Silva, GSP, DC, etc. can be had for around $40. Without all the breakers opening up the product and getting these cards out there I think they'd be much more expensive.
But wouldn’t they be even cheaper if breakers didn’t exist?
Or would the autographs not exist because the card companies wouldn’t invest as much? 🤔
@@JunkWaxHero I think breaks = more product opened overall, which leads to lower singles prices. I could be wrong about that.
Either way, thanks for the videos!
I had this old guy (well actually two, but the second just sat at a bench) waiting as well as I, for the panini guy to fill up the target aisle. When he is done and we are allowed into this area, the old guy went straight for the new prizm blasters. All of them! Even though it is prohibited at target. He looked at me and had the nerve to ask: do you want a couple? And “let me have two boxes”. He said those were the ones he needs for his shop. I’m almost 50 and felt like a little kid taken advantage. I’m new to cards and didn’t know the limit. But if this is happening at every target, Walmart, etc. then yes, someone is ruining the concept.
My question is, should panini sell directly to this hobby stores and leave more options for others? I don’t even know hobby shops in. Y area.
Thanks for your videos
I suspect they’re just buying blasters for their shop and jacking up the price, not doing breaking. And shops can often get retail product, but some don’t.
All the walmarts and targets are all empty here where I live you can never get anything due to people buying them all for resell. Target or Wal-Mart have no limits here. Targets here are not doing sports cards anymore too much theft I think.
@@Michaeljamber my Target is always packed with product.
I'm jealous lol
I might have missed it but how can they stop someone from posting the notes and if they do post them, what's the repercussions?
Presumably shutting down your account? Maybe the certs? Knowing PSA it could be anything.
For me, breakers aren't ruining the hobby. Here's my situation: My favorite team is the Minnesota Twins. Every Year I like to get in breaks for the new rookies or the new 1st bowman guys. I try to get some of their parallels and auto's for my collection. It's much cheaper for me to just buy the Twins than for me to buy cases of the product(which I cannot afford). Generally the Twins are very cheap because they aren't a big market team like the Yankees. This year for 2024 Bowman with Walker Jenkins was a different story. I bought some Walker Jenkins cards as singles instead of getting in expensive case breaks for the Twins.
Sounds like smart moves
@@JunkWaxHero BTW Dude, This is my favorite video of the week. Thank you so much for keeping this series going. I don't use Twitter or Facebook for hobby news so this is my go-to source!
@@Rebel_Scum1 awesome! Thanks!
+ breaks are fun and social. I waste $20 on lunch, I'm not sure why people are so hard on us over $40 for a break.
@@steelcitydw When I first got back into the hobby during the pandemic I used to just get in ebay breaks but after I've been in it for a few years now I prefer getting in one on fanatics live. I started getting in those because of getting the free credit with the PSA membership.
PSA Vending Machine. Great for PSA.. it's smart and taking advantage of gamblers, mostly.. People will do it, because that's fun.. but it's a gamble.. I'm not a gambler.
Same
Another great video, thanks!!
Thanks for watching!
I don’t like that the breakers OBVIOUSLY get loaded boxes. It’s all a huge shell game and IMO we’re n a junk wax era again. All of these cards besides the real high end are going to be worthless.
Not only does the PSA percentage include eBay's seller fees, but PSA ships and deals with any customer service issues.
I love this even more
I feel like even though Ryan retired before the new stadium opened in 1994, the positive attention he brought to the franchise probably helped get the stadium built.
Don’t buzzkill my buzzkill, Dan! 🤣
I declare this " the summer of Mike!!"
Hopefully I’m not saying “this was supposed to be the summer of Mike!” at the end.
@@JunkWaxHero Haha! Exactly
You used to be able to tell PSA a minimum grade that you would accept. If the card did not hit the grade they would just send the card back. You still had to pay the grading fee, but you did not have to crack the case. Maybe the resubmissions is the reason they stopped.
Seems like avoiding the slab would be a good result for PSA. Less overhead, same revenue. But who knows.
@JunkWaxHero I know who doesn't know... PSA's customers! The people they supposedly support and keep them alive are the ones who are always left in the dark. Not being transparent (grader notes) and honest about their grading ("we never changed our standard"), not being consistent in grading and seemingly approving card cleaning, via grading submission groups/services, while banning people who do it for their own cards and seemingly giving higher grades to "special members/group submitters are just the current issues that PSA created. They think they deserve to remain #1 in value evaluation in the hobby, but their own actions will be the reason they fall or get dethroned. I will not shed one tear for their downfall.
Psa is doing a cya on the notes. Has everything to do with liability and protecting the company from individual employees
I'm not sure if ruining is the right word; but breakers are certainly souring the card experience for many rather than improving. Primarily raising wax cost on new products. It's very hard in modern basketball, to get hobby boxes to actually local card stores. Every store in town is out within 2 days of release. If Panini is allow one customer to get 30-40% of the allocation, something is wrong. I don;t know 100% if backyard is doing anything wrong, but its HIGHLY suspicious, they hit all these top tier basketball cards, with unfathomable odds. Specifically black prizm;s with large production runs.
Great stuff Mike- can’t wait for the fist channel to share grader notes. Will TH-cam capitulate and block the video? Will there be litigation? As Dirty Harry would say/ “make my day”
Thanks Mike! I enjoyed it
Thanks Warren!
Breakers suck
Come to Costa Rica on vacation!
I wish!
In another video yesterday, a person pulled a $35 Pokemon card from that PSA vending machine. It is fitting that this exists in a casino. Also, Terry sends me an e-mail like that, Terry gets blocked.
Exactly
Breakers are just acting as brokers of cards and provide no real value other than having access to product. They make things more expensive and difficult to obtain.
Nearly every breaker does some kind of repack. I also thought their business wouldn't affect my love of 90's actor auto cards. But on more than one occasion I've received cards that have repack seals on the top loader. From what I've been hearing repackers have been buying strong on singles, I know you mostly collect vintage, but it wouldn't be impossible that a repacker might list a desirable vintage card as a top prize for the repack. Would it then affect your side of the hobby? Think regardless of how you collect (to use Neo's example) the "ecosystem" of our hobby has been impacted. To think you're safe might be a bit too conservative? Great video! Thanks!
Good comment. I don’t think it would affect me, but I may be naive. I’d just ignore it and go on with my collecting.
@@JunkWaxHero that's all we can really do 😫 keep doing what you're doing and rock on!
Enjoy the hobby any way you like, a bought into breaks, didn’t enjoy, don’t enjoy ripping wax, so I just collect the players I love and that mean something to me! For me it's hobby, not a way to make extra money. I would think by now, a lot of people keep getting burned on these breaks, so I think long term it’s not viable.
Yes but it becomes an addiction for a lot of people
I've cracked the new slabs.. not too difficult. lol
Good to know!
Rarely comment but really enjoy, hope to see you at the National this year. PS-will be in Maine next month.
Nice! What are you doing in Maine?
@@JunkWaxHero doing a tour of famous TH-camrs homes, plus driving from Portland to Bar Harbor
@@baseballHOFautographs Bar Harbor is amazing. What famous TH-camrs live in Maine?
@@JunkWaxHero you!
@@baseballHOFautographs lol
PSA's stance on the graders notes is stupid. I paid to have the card graded, they send me the notes, I now own the notes and they can't tell anyone crap about what they do with them once they are in possession of the collector. I guess they've never heard the saying "possession is nine tenths of the law".
love your content i am still licking my wounds here in edmonton from the stanley cup finals
Thanks Tom! Sorry about the loss!
I have no problem with breakers as a thing. I think its likely that some bigger breakers get loaded product. And I think in general its not a good value to pay for spots in breaks. But people can do what they want, who cares if other people choose to spend their money poorly.
Yup
It won't stop. People can't help themselves. Eventually, though, there will be another 'collapse' of the modern shiny market. Just hit up a show yesterday. The sheer amount of complete shiny garbage EVERYWHERE is totally absurd. This cannot sustain without another correction. All the sandwich company garbage from the last 8 years, in football cards, ALL looks the same. No one will care about any of this in the future. You can't even tell what's what due to the ridiculous amount of parallels every year. You look at a, say, Trevor Lawrence prizm card. Dealer says: "Oh, that's the optic prizm holo shimmer first off the line black mirror gold parallel. Got to get, at least, $18k for that bad boy. You: "cool story".
Yep
Terry is getting blocked instantly what is wrong with people 🙄
They aren’t breaking the hobby. . . They ALREADY broke it!
I think people just like to whine and complain about everything and anything....same people complaining likely also buys into breaks.
That includes seller fees.
Even better!
@JunkWaxHero yep, for any big consignment seller you see on eBay, their rates include the eBay seller fees. So basically it adds a percent or 2 to what you'd normally pay if you sold yourself. I don't believe it actually lists to your account either so that makes it even easier
@@richardbianco9674 perfect
Inflation is more demand than supply. These companies make plenty for China yet they don't allocate hobby boxes for people like me who want to open my own box. Breakers like backyard are monopolizing a product by buying most of it. Breakers created a demand without a supply. Plenty of cards that's why cards don't go up in value. Super Breakers are a reality. The card industry is completely full of it with the greed and fake Inflation because people don't understand basic economics. I've been opening packs for 50 years and 2020 was the death of cards for the average opener. Breakers don't care about gambling laws and jurisdiction and legal definitions. PSA is a scam. They know nothing. All cards are perceived value. None of them have real value. I think people need to start asking how much do they make for China and how many autographs are they claiming these guys sign. No one can sign a name thousands of times without hurting your wrist. Companies that have been completely fraudulent in every aspect would definitely have an unwritten policy that they sell licensed autograph by proxy. It's all about perceived value and selling the lie. I love gambling but not on cards. I remember the don west days and ken goldin ripping people off on TV. I remember all the billions in fake memorabilia and how it combined with all the junk wax. People need to call out cards for what it has become, a convention of liars, scammers, and morons. The proof is there, no one makes money from investment into cards.
I don't think one person or people can ruin the hobby. With all the good people in the hobby, I feel just fine. 33 years for me, and no plans of quitting. I don't care about lines on PSA cases. If I had some and they needed fixed, I would contact PSA. If another breaker scammed someone and I buy from them, I would move in and not buy from them again. It is no different how you should handle any adversity in life. Step back, take a deep breath and just think how to handle any situation. Don't rush to TH-cam, just handle it. Always good to share the experience to help others be aware. Clearly any and all Backyard Breaks past content did not effect them in a negative way because they are still in business and selling out breaks.
I appreciate and respect this comment, but I have one question: so I shouldn’t do a TH-cam video calling out PSA and try to effect change when their slabs are faulty? Should no one question them?
@@JunkWaxHero No, I think I also said in the comment that you should handle the issue and also share with us on TH-cam the findings, which is very helpful. Love when we post solutions or anything that can save someone money or a headache for the hobby. Every video on that slab complaint, skim through the comments. You can see all the hate by people which is the majority. People would rather do that over offering up some suggestions or solutions, that is what always troubles me the most.
@@TheCardDeal got it. Thanks for the clarification!
Live breaks are like the casinos of the hobby. It's all gambling.
I love how people still question PSA decisions! Why wouldn't PSA allow screen shots??? Because PSA was, is, and will always be crooked as hell! All businesses have to be concerned about profit or they fail to exist. PSA ONLY cares about making money. They don't give a damn about the hobby or the collectors. FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST, PEOPLE, WAKE UP AND STOP USING PSA!!!
I think I'm turning into "that guy", but I can't stand how interconnected PSA, Ebay, Fanatics, Goldin, and a select group of breakers are nowadays. It's just ripe for scandal when money changes hands for something you never physically hold (break ▶️grade ▶️list▶️sell)
I get it
I just had a eBay seller who scams eBay I guess if seller don't except returns they can just refuse your request and eBay will pick up the bill and of course my luck I happen to stumble upon a seller like that I bought a card from him it looked really nice in the photo it shows up with a giant crease he's not responding to the refund request I left negative feedback his response was I don't need to deal with the return eBay will deal with it. pure scum
I really don't care how much product they open; that's their 'out.'
I believe it's clearly manipulation in the hobby. Look at the product produced vs. what's opened, the numbers aren't in their favor. Not just these 10 Wemby's, but also their past breaks. The odds are against them, big time.
I also agree, in the sense, that you should buy into their breaks.. I'm not into that.. but it only makes sense.
But manipulation by whom?
@@JunkWaxHero by the Card Companies. I truly believe they get privileges. The odds are against them and I don't think they open 30-40% of their product; that's quite a bit.. and possibly a manufactured number to appease and justify the 'hits' they get.
I could be wrong, but it just doesn't make sense to me.
1) I'm just tired of breakers screaming OMG over and over...and usually it's not even their card!
2) Send me a case that is supposed to be uncrackable and me and my table (not chain) saw will prove you wrong.
Yeah I don’t watch breaks so the screaming doesn’t affect me, but I’m sure it’s annoying.
People are morons when they damage cards like that. Donate them formcrying out loud!
Agreed
wtf is the use of grader notes then frickin stupid of psa
If someone just wants to make money they may be better off investing in stocks...the odds may be better than gambling with breakers or opening packs on their own. Understanding the stock market has more longevity than trying to buy and sell the sparkle 1 of 1 with huge transaction costs
Exactly
In the 2025 Florida house and senate session a bill will be introduced to make breaking in state of Florida gambling. You must apply with the license through the seminal tribe. Their recommending a yearly charge $5000 gambling license charge . Every break you do must be monitored.Recorded and forward to state of Florida. People buying into the break must be 18 years of age with their Florida Drivers license on file with breaker.
Your very Naive.