Here's a summary of the testing: Individual Test Winner Focusing Sony IBIS Sony Card Slots Sony Frame Rate Sony Video Sony Auto Focus Sony Dynamic Range Sony Joystick Sony Lenses Sony Flippy Screen Canon Best Trip to Maui Canon* Overall Conclusion = Tie Hmm, I'm not sure what to make of the test nor the conclusion...
So, the A7 III has two card slots, clearly superior dynamic range, autofocus and burst rate, better video quality, a larger selection of quality native mount lenses and isn't hampered by that total waste of a slider bar control. Yet, you lead off the video saying you can't decide between the two. With respect to a casual shooter, they should use their smartphone for selfie videos or vlogging. Get the Sony for everything else. It's the clearly better camera for both stills and video.
I think he says there's no winner because both cameras have features that make them non-starters for certain kinds of shooting. The lack of a second card slot makes the Canon a potentially ruinous choice for wedding photographers. The lack of a flip out screen makes vlogging with the Sony basically impossible. Also, if you currently use Canon cameras, having the Canon lenses with a Canon adapter is a HUGE benefit for the EOS R.
I think people starting out in Full Frame will probably go straight to the Sony, or maybe wait for the Panasonic, the only people trying to decide between the Sony and the Canon are existing Canon shooters who've invested in a lot of premium glass. The MC-11 works ok at shorter focal lengths but it still misses shots, I wouldn't use it for anything important. Since Canon don't have to reverse engineer their own mount, their adapter is presumably closer to native experience. I've heard that the Sony 70-200 f2.8 G Master for example isn't as good as the Canon equivalent, and costs more, so the Canon shooter has the choice of spending thousands on replacing their lenses, some maybe not quite as good as what they already owned, to gain better dynamic range (which may be a big deal for some, less so for others), better auto focus and better eye autofocus. I don't think it's a clear-cut decision by any means. I've currently got a foot in both camps, love my A7R III, but not planning on replacing all my glass any time soon, if Canon up their game in the next generation I may well be tempted back!
Bill Ferris for stills the Canon is better. It can give sharp shots at 6.5 stops with a 2 seconds exposure hand held! A fully articulating screen with 2 second handheld exposure is a wonderful combination.
Bill Ferris 100% agree. The only reasons I see people getting the canon over the Sony is flip screen, owning canon lenses, or brand loyalty. The Sony is CHEAPER by hundreds of dollars, and better in so many other aspects.
I have the a7Rii and not one single time did I miss a flip screen. But that's probably because I would never film myself. Also, I always use the finder. Never the screen. Maybe just a habit from the very early days.
Sony doesn’t have a flip screen because Canon has a exclusive patent that prevents any other brand from having the same screen. That’s why every other brand tilits
@@awaraa S1H can flip the screen outwards like Canon also and flip upwards, which differs from the S1 which flips the screen inwards and upwards. Makes sense because the latter is a better for photography e.g. portrait low angle shots. They worked around the patent (if there is one) by using two hinges instead of one hinge and a single articulating mechanism. I actually like the S1H one better because you can still angle the screen inline with the lens.
NOTE: We did all our testing on the Sony a7 III. I used the Sony a7R III just to demonstrate the physical controls, because we had to return the a7 III, and the Sony a7R III is physically identical. Win a Canon EOS R at freesdp.com Buy the Sony a7 III (sdp.io/a73) or the Canon EOS R (sdp.io/r)
@SwitchRich 30mp should look a but sharper than 24 , disadvantage is less shadow performance, most photagraphers will never Crop to a point where you need to crop to make the Canon look better.in other words a 1:1 image on a 4k tv will look the same,
Why don't people get an external monitor, if filming yourself is important? Won't that benefit people wanting to film 4K with a Sony and without a crop.
Did I miss were Tony mentions the 1.8x crop at 4K with the Canon R? He keeps saying that it is a great vlogging camera, but doesn’t mention that the 24-105 lens will be more like 50-180 cause of the crop factor. Those vloggers are going to need really long arms!!!
I'm not sure but it looks like the Sony won all the individual tests (focusing, frame rate, video, controls, AF, Speed, Dynamic Range, lenses, etc) but it didn't win the title?
Wouldn't people be better off with an EOS M5 vs the EOS R since the R crops so much? They could save a bunch of money and buy lenses with the money saved.
Went for the Sony the first chance I got, switching from Canon after 10 years. Not saying there isn't a learning curve, or that everything is better, but it still feels like stepping 5-10 years into the future. Just finished a wedding with 2x A7III and an A7RIII, the AF is in another league, and the eye af and excellent tracking make the portrait session and things like low light wedding reception dancing photos a breeze. Thanks for non biased review. Apart from the flippy tilty screen, for professional work the canon looks quite inferior. Now really the only two things I'd wish in the A7III would be a bit more ruggedness / weather sealing, and that excellent silent shutter of the A9. But still, it is a perfect workhorse, not missing a beat in any of the weddings I've shot this year.
To me where the Canon EOS R fails is the massive crop factor when shooting video, so if you are going back and forth between shooting video & photos you have to completely reframe to get the same shot in the two different modes. I still find it hard to believe Canon did that.
+ Krishna Poddar I know - I meant to say that. And I reiterate: I think it is a massive fail to have such a large difference in the Field of View between the two shooting modes.
I was split between the Eos RP and Eos R and decided for the Eos RP and some things are actually working better and easier than on the Eos R and this test just proved it to me. Glad I went for the RP. Always asked myself if the R would have been a better choice.
Yeah, maybe last year. But This year, Canon is releasing the R5 and R6, while it seems the A7 IV and the A7S III are being delayed indefinitely. Anyway, even if they were coming out, the R5 is the most anticipated camera of the year. Boy, I'm glad I waited for the Canon mirrorless system to mature a little, before wasting money on a Sony system. Sure, the eye autofocus seems great, but the video recording on the Sony A7 IV is rumored lousy 4K 30, the Canon R5 is able to do 8K 30p and 4K 60p no crop, with internal video recording. Plus, it's made in Japan instead of Made in China, like the Sony. lmao, the lenses are way higher quality in the Canon system too. Man, people saying Sony is "better", for a lot of people the R6 is going to be better than the A7 IV would have been. Man, it's a monopoly for Canon this year, and the big announcement event is later this month online.
@@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr Now you only need to sell your soul to afford it... While most casual and pro shooter can pick up an A7 III at half the price (or less) than what the R5 will surely cost.
The Sony a7iii also gives you the option to punch into aps-c mode, allowing you to move in tighter. Granted, you do lose some resolution, but it allows you to get the shot. (I’m a life long Canon pro who waited and waited for the Canon mirrorless, and then switched to Sony AFTER the EOS R was announced.)
kristianmag true, however when you crop into apsc, the eye autofocus finds your intended target easier, especially if it’s at an event or party with multiple options.
BROis yeah lol, too bad they don’t give you the option to go full frame in 4k. Canon’s constant crippling of their camera basically helped me make the switch an easy decision, and there are lots more like me. They don’t want to cannibalize their cinema line, but now they’ve lost a Canon lifer instead.
They aren't crippling on purpose, they just don't have the processor/technology for it at the moment. At least according to an interview with their execs. They also considered using IBIS, but couldn't deal with the heat. Trust me, these companies aren't looking to get beat by someone else just to save another line... I just don't think they have the resources at this stage to deal with the things it took Sony YEARS to innovate/develop and test in the marketplace. I was watching an interview with someone from Sony and they mentioned that the insanely quiet/fast/accurate motors in the Sony 400 f/2.8 were actually the same technology they've employed for IBIS. They've since put that same AF motor into the Sony FE 24 f/1.4 GM and I'm sure future lenses will enjoy all of those innovations.
It’s odd that you say there is no clear winner and then rattle off advantage after advantage for the A7iii: much better video, IBIS, 2 card slots, more native lenses, auto focus, free usb charging, joystick, better button placement, etc...
Yes Sony crops at 4K30 and I think it also crops at 4K25, which is sad. Only no crop at 4K24. Even if 1.2x crop is a little of a crop, it's still crop and not a very good thing.
@@charbax I don't think any mirror less camera does zero-crop 4k. Only pro cinema cameras ATM. I'd imagine next generation of Sonys and Canons and Nikons will do full width though.
As a trucker/vlogger shooting on the go with little time I've been frustrated with every camera I've tried: Panasonic G7, Sony 6300, 6500, Canon 80D, Sony a7Sii, Canon G7Xii. Of all those cameras the only one I really count on is the G7Xii. I'm going to try the R, it seems like it's made for vlogging in 1080/60. The Sony is cheaper (literally), but the stabilization is weak at best and I'm not ready to trust it's focusing for video. Thanks Tony!
Skintone test in mixed lighting situation, with AWB? Portrait-profile comparison? These are some extremely valid reasons why Canon users are still sticking to their gear.
-The Canon has an AA filter -The multifunction bar is unusable -DPAF doesn't work as intended -No IS -4k video unusable -Single card slot -Overpriced -The A7III is superior to cameras with twice the cost -"There is no clear winner" -Wat
@@danieltaylor1522 they should they test it with sony + their best lense, vs canon r + the ultimate best lense of RF lense,. they forget something that lense matters the most rather than the body,. i can get great image and photo on my entry lvl camera just by using 50mm 1.2 lense,.
Mount size is not only for the purpose of smaller lenses. It allows larger aperture too in the case of the 28-70 f/2. It's all preference which camera to use, It can be rationally argued that Canon is at least a valid option, worthy of purchase, and even superior/inferior in specific aspects. Canon have things Sony don't and vice versa.
Indeed. Big ass sensors and barrelsize lenses produce stunning pictures. Sony is just a step lower on the ladder, with a shirtpocket camera on the first sport. ;)
The “Casual Shooter” would only benefit from ALL the things the A7III includes, for less money. How the hell is the Canon better exactly? I understand Tony’s been getting lots of flack lately for calling out Canon and Nikon, but I would find him so much more credible if he stuck to his guns. This video was pretty difficult to stomach.
And for selfies? How about the decent HD video camera we all have in our pockets now? I have taken maybe five selfies with my SLR. I personally hate them! Half my selfies are making fun of people who take selfies!
Hi Tony... I'm torn between getting the Canon EOS R or the A7iii. The Canon is (was) slightly winning me over, due to the flip screen, and the ease of the menu...but looking at many IG photos of pics taken with a A7iii vs the EOS R, it looks like the Sony a7iii pics just have that extra sharpness and detail, while Canon photos look a tad softer. Just wanted to know if you observed this also or its just my imagination. At the end of the day, its the photo images that matters, not menu usability or a flip screen, right?
@@wikedwhich1 Ease of use, especially in the menu beats the sony. Ergonomics with the Canon in terms of how it fits in my hand were better too. As for the images, super sharp but of course that's all in the lens. I got the 50mm RF 1.8, and a canon 24-70 2.8 and they are very sharp. Battery is very poor though, battery dies quick. The LCD screen is super sharp and high resolution compared to the Sony. I'm no pro-photographer, so those are just my minor opinions but I'm happy with the purchase.
I am a Canon shooter and I think the R is a bad first attempt at FF mirrorless. Bring back the joystick, put 2 card slots in it and sensor stabilisation. Then fix the eye AF and take off the AA filter. Only then will I buy it. In the mean time the Nikon Z looks much better. If Nikon only knew the potential of a proper ef to z adapter, they would make it their first priority.
And yet Canon won in many things that mattered to many people. It is all about what one feels important as features. Canon has more glass to use natively, better for vlogging, has far more AF points and from everything I have seen, far better AF performance for non action. Once Sony brings out lots of big glass and it doesn't cost $12k then maybe people will think Sony is the clear cut winner in everything.
@@rsilvers129 not true. It works 100% with the camera, is OEM equipment with the adapter made specifically for those lenses. They are for all practical purposes, native lenses.
5:25 The image comparison is flawed tho, it's still the same from the previous video where the A7III image is out of focus. There isn't almost any perceivable difference in detail between a 30 and 24 mpx sensor.
What Sony camera are you actually reviewing, Tony? The tittle says A7III but the Sony camera you are showing clearly has an R on it? Are you comparing the Sony A7RIII?
Same boat here, John. I can't fully express how bad this is from Canon at that price point. What a strange camera. Huge sensor, zero features, flip out screen. So confusing.
You confirmed again what I have always experienced. Canon has terrible shadow noise. Again and again my 6D lets me down when shooting at night. 3 stops of shadow push is nothing, and thus I have to mess with various tricks in post. WHY can't we have a quiet sensor, Canon? And if it will be noisy (as all sensors must be at some point) why can't the noise be more random, stochastic? Then I might just leave it, as it would have a film like quality. But the color bands and blobs are WAY harder to clean than luminance noise. Just SO DISAPPOINTED. I guess Canon designers never shoot at night! That makes Sony the clear winner. Because what you said is basically this: the cameras are pretty equal, but avoid shooting in such and such situations with Canon. Case closed. Not being a vlogger, Sony is where I am heading!
I am glad you shoot properly lit images and no need to be concerned with this issue. In severe backlight, while trying to hold detail/color in the sky, pulling shadows is a serious problem and has nothing to do with pixel peeping.
I'm just goofing about. No offense. That must be awful having to shoot in such awful conditions all the time. I would hate that. Can you find a workaround to make life a little easier for you?
I own both, but I feel that EOS R is made more robustly in the sense of holding it, and EVF is also higher than EOS R by several stages. Moreover, the heat radiation effect and the drip-proof effect are high. And the color of the canon is familiar.
Buy a a73 for pro work and pick up a Sony a5100 for vlogging for 300 bucks. Price comes out the same as one canon. Keeping my fingers crossed for a professional canon mirrorrless in the mean time
Or buy this one just for 13 bucks and use your 6.5 inch phone screen to see your self. It will give 2,5 times bigger view your self. www.amazon.com/Chargercity-Camera-Tripod-Samsung-Smartphone/dp/B00C3QF4GY
If you need to see yourself while recording with the Sony there are several options right? You can connect a small HDMI external monitor, or connect to a computer or a phone app that shows what is being filmed.
If I was starting now and had the money for either of these two new bodies I would get an a7III or save a bit more and get the A7RIII (they are only 350 euros apart). Tony could you do a comparison of how the 24-105 Canon lens measures up against the SONY 24-105?
Holy moly, Northrups. I'm a fan of your channel (I even paid for SDP) but this is just an embarrassment. Unless a flippy screen is your NUMBER ONE priority (the only thing the Sony flat-out can't do) there really should be no circumstance where the Canon should be recommended over A73. Apparently you're recommending this (edit: Canon) for people "If you're a new casual shooter without any particular camera" even though what "new, casual shooter" is buying a $2,300 camera??? but you also concede that EYE AF: "[CANON] Canon EYE AF is unusable", Silent shooting: "[CANON] Essentiaully useless", Action AF: "[CANON] It's one of the worst sports cameras I've ever used". Why??? Because Canon EOS-R menus and viewfinder are slightly better. :o WTF?? I can't even wrap my head around this recommendation. I'm not a pro. Just an enthusiast and I use these features ALL THE TIME. I volunteered and took class pictures for my kid's school. Guess what? I used Eye-AF and friggin' killed it. I shot pix for my cousin's wedding. Silent shot her whole walk down the aisle (/w AF at more than 2 fps). Mind boggling how you discount these actual features that get you better pictures over subjective things like "slightly better body-feel, menus and viewfinder". Maybe the menus or VF aren't as good but the Sony doesn't have "useless", "unusable" features. So, according to you, a slightly better form factor/menus/EVF are more important to new shooters over (probably) best in-class Eye-AF, Motion AF, Silent shooting AF/etc/etc. This video is just crazy-town to me... :(
Your basing all this based on my review, and it sounds like you haven't used the camera, so I don't know why you think I'm crazy. The Canon is sharper, easier to use, and takes the all-important selfie. New photographers will love it. I specifically recommended the Sony for wedding photographers.
If I came off a little harsh, I apologize. I'd been drinking...lol, so I'll take it down like 3 notches. You're absolutely right. I haven't used it but I think my points are still valid when comparing the 2 directly but if your conclusion is: new photographers (that have $2300 to drop) will like it then I can't refute that. IMO, I think that even new shooters will want to eventually try Eye-AF, Motion AF, Silent shooting AF but if you buy the Canon you're SOL because they're "useless" and "unusable" but that's just me. I still love ya, Tony.
Couldn't agree more. Seems like vlogging is also the most important camera feature set for Tony "now a days" which seems silly. Seems like the Canon is the new toy and that's what he wants to play with... It's hard to understand why the Canon wins or he does a poor job articulating exactly why.
@@mallred4347 hands down you have Sony camera and you trying to justify a purchase :) you did right choice and now you can just chill it's no point to leave 20 comments under the video lol.
You have way too much time on your hands to be counting my posts. Kinda creepy and weird Tomas. BTW your analysis is wrong - I posted a bunch because 1. I was a disappointed with Tonys flopping and recent love affair with vlogging with a 3 pound camera that is obviously a dumb choice for the job and 2. I was bored/cranky last night... BTW, I've pre-ordered the EOS-R and I own 5 Canon L lenses along with my A7R3 and A9. I'm looking forward to using the EOS R with my lenses (which do work great with my Metabones V adapter on my Sonys). You're a creep.
I am surprised that you selected the Canon. I don’t understand why. The only thing (according to your own video ) that it does is : 1. Filming yourself alone 2. Video autofocus at low resolution (we know canon is the best at that). The autofocus if frustratingly slow, there are almost no lenses. It’s a single camera system st the moment. Sony no longer has only expensive lenses , you can get native lenses from. Sigma. The Sony is a proven system , the Canon is new. I frankly fail to see why recommend a normal newbie that camera. The screen is totally irrelevant, most people buying a camera will not use it to film themselves blog style.
surely a young vlogger would get more mileage from a cheaper dslr or m3/4 if you only want to film yourself do you really need an interchangable lens system?
Fair comparison, but... I would say that Sony a7iii is at least two generations ahead of the EOS R. So most likely the Riii will be a good camera but then Sony will introduce a7v or similar. After many years of using the full frame cameras from Canon I switched to Sony this summer and enjoy it. I will always respect Canon but hopefully they will learn something from Sony and treat their loyal customers better.
This is a poor comparison @Tony you didn’t mention that canon cannot adapt Sony lenses yet you mark sony down for not being perfect with adapting canon glass when it is their competitors. You went route of Peter McKinnon and hyped up this sub par camera to make it a match for Sony. It shoots crop 4K when Sony is oversampled 4K. Only thing I can give it as a win is the blogger style autofocus. Everything else Sony slaughtered canon and Nikon. For photographers there’s only one winner. Sony. For videographer it is still Sony. Just by an atomos 4K screen for 300$ and you can see yourself and it would still cost less than Canon 😱
I found one big problem with A7III (and all a7) If you close down the aperture in low-light situation, the autofocus performance will be severely crippled. Because when you do (F8 and above for example) the auto-focus will initial WITHOUT opening up to a brighter aperture like EOS (at brightest aperture) or Nikon Z does (at medium aperture). You will run into this problem when 1. Dark studio environment while using smaller apertures, the focus will confirm slower and miss or simply hunt. 2. When shooting for example group photos with smaller apertures in poorly lit environment, the focus will be noticeably slower or hunt a bit (you need depth to get everyone in focus). I have test this thoroughly and I am 100% confident that this is so far one of the worst problem you could run into for stills. Please try it yourself by 1. Set any target in a room slightly poorly lit (does not have to be severely under lit) 2. Focus at that target at maximum aperture, notice the speed. 3. Focus at the same target in that same room with the same light at F8. You will see what I'm talking about, it has been a huge hindrance in my work both in the studio and at wedding and events that I had to sell off all my gear after just under a year of moving to Sony.
I switched to Sony from my 5D and its been great... I was waiting for Canon mirrorless so long and only now they release one am glad I did not wait. I really don't understand why canon could not do in camera image stabilization? This would been great with legacy lenses...huge deal breaker for me. Having said that am sure Canon will sell bunch of these and it might be good fit for many due its out of box color science.
Hey Tony, for now, I'm satisfied with my 5D MIV, but I want my next full frame camera to be mirrorless. I love my Fuji. I want something more like my 5D than the R is right now. Any thoughts on when Canon will put out a 5D style mirrorless with dual slots, a joystick, and faster frame rates?
What about low light AF? How their AF systems compare in situations, which may be difficult for grabbing focus? Backlighted people, almost completely dark rooms etc
Hi Tony and Chelsea- So I'm not sold on the EOS R. Is there a Canon camera that offers more similar strengths to the Sony a7iii, but with those Canon colours I love? Thanks in advance.
So Tony, let me know if I'm way off with this summary: The Sony wins for native lens selection, autofocus, video recording options, dynamic range, FPS, silent shooting. The Canon wins for overall lens selection (with the adapter), resolution, the image stabilization, and ergonomics (unless you're back-button focusing). Additionally: If I were doing professional work, the single card slot would make the Canon a non-starter. If I were vlogging, the lack of a flip-screen would make the Sony a non-starter. If I were just starting, the sony would definitely win the comparison, but if I had Canon lenses, I'd almost be FORCED to stick with Canon. I AM just starting. I DID pick the Sony. I have to say I'm pretty unhappy with my decision in that this is FAR too expensive a camera for me right now. However, I *_AM_* happy with it compared to the other new mirrorless cameras. Canon and Nikon both seem like they're going to be playing catchup for a few generations.
I’ve actually never had a problem shooting Canon lenses on my Sony. It’s actually all I use for portraits. I would say for Video it’s not worth using Canon lenses. But for photos with the MC11 I have sharp photos with my adapted Canon glass as I did when borrowing native Sony glass and the autofocus is great, even eye AF works.
@@brois841 So it doesn't have afeature that is only useful to the small percentage of TH-camrs out there. And it isn't natively compatible with it's competitors products??? Lol
@@brois841 vloggers make an extremely small portion of photographers and videographers. And why would it need to adapt canon lenses natively? It's not like the Canon can adapt sony lenses. At least it can adapt a-mount, Canon, and sigma lenses at all. There's already great native sony lenses so that should not be a talking point at all.
Guys, I know you think only TH-camrs want this feature, but they aren't the only ones. I've had my camera near a wall or a place where it was a pain to walk around and get my head back there. You can flip the screen and show the subjects so they can see what they look like and how things are framed. I have many examples when I found it useful, but the point is it's about choice. Fuji's system allows for the same up/down tilting that Sony has, but also flip-out for anyone who might want it. So simple and ingenious. Another thing I like about the flippy screen on the Panasonic GH line of cameras is that you can flip it around to protect it and throw it in a bag. Always nice to have a choice and I honestly like Canon's screen.
I am pretty sure that the only Fuji camera that has that currently is the new budget Fuji x-t100 and that is the best system with the best of both worlds, all other Fujis with a moving screen are like the Sony. But if I had to choose between the sony style or canon style screen it would be the Sony one because it is more discreet in public/street photography and the screen is closer to the controls, also you can use an external monitor if you really need to see yourself. Also because the screen on the Canon flips out to the left, it means you have to cross your hands over if you are right handed and hold the camera with your left hand and want to use the touch screen with your right hand while it is flipped out and tilted up or down.
Subjective, but it seemed that the Canon video looked a bit more pleasing (to me at least). The 12.8K ISO @ 4K seemed to look much better on Canon, though I don't know if it's the TH-cam compression making the Sony footage in that test look so blotchy and over processed (see 12:12 with face, neck and shirt on the highlighted (screen-right) side). That said, no IBIS makes it very difficult to consider the Canon, as I have a ton of vintage glass I want to leverage with IBIS.
OMG...... THE CANON USB CHARGER RETAILS FOR $190..............Why? Its a $20 charger at most. It just goes to show how naive some people are.....!!!!! Cant wait for someone to justify this kind of BS..... I'm not going to buy this camera as I'm a fuji/nikon user but had to comment. $190 for a Canon USB adapter.......!!!!! A Phase One Battery charger/cradle costs $140 and thats a $20,000 camera....... GO Figure.....!!!
I always wonder why these reviews never get updated. At least, they should put a sticky note mentioning that since the 1.4 firmware update, Canon EOS R is not that far behind the Sony A7 III
10 bit 4:2:2 (external), 1080p 120fps, IBIS, Non-cropped 4K, nice EVF and touchscreen, excellent weather sealing......I think the Nikon Z6 is worth a look when it comes out soon and we see brutal reviews...otherwise I'll switch to Sony from Canon. Unless we get something definitive from Panasonic full frame very soon.
Can you test the EOS R with the Sigma Art lens to check the performance? Also how do you feel about the blue tooth/wifi to an external device to replace a second card slot?
In addition, while many of the nay sayers here put down the flip-out screen, it is a definite advantage, especially when trying to minimize reflections and maximize the scene if you are using live view.. Just one of the many reasons I enjoy my 80D..
Yes Alex, people that are paid by Canon are also allowed to post links to other companies products as well as even mention anyone else's brand. What a genius way to market your own product.
p f are you blind? Or am I missing something? The Sony camera I saw in the video was the a7riii, not the a7iii. The a7iii has a 1.2 crop in 4k 30p. Tony said it has no crop because he's using an entirely different camera for the comparison test LOL
Unbiased....LOL......That is the funniest thing I have read in the last month..... $5400 trip to Hawaii............. They are shills for Canon.... It's like the Leonard Cohen Song.... Everybody Knows, if he were still alive, he would write a new verse..... "Everybody knows that the Northrup's are shills for Canon"
I got a different message from this video than what you probably intended. What I learned is that cameras have gotten so good these days that really we compare their capabilities in more extreme specific scenarios than in the most practical scenarios. Obviously some will say that these are their typical scenarios but for the vast majority of others these limitations between the two cameras is a wash. It gives me great hope that I can continue using a 3 year old camera body for several more years since nothing that major has happened in the technology that necessitates the upgrade. Now if they make a camera that has an ultra sharp zoom lense that goes from 24-150mm f1.8 constant and is smaller than a coke can we will be in a new era of photography. Obviously this can’t be achieved by physics with current camera technology, but I believe one day there will be a way to do this and it will be a good day.
In July, I switched from a Canon 5D3 (after shooting Canon DSLR's for 14+ years) to a Sony A7R3 with a Sigma MC11 adaptor. I shoot mostly wildlife, birds in flight and landscape and still use all of my Canon L glass. Don't have any Sony native-mount glass yet. I would say that the focusing is about 90% there using adapted Canon glass. It does struggle a bit from time to time. I can confidently say that after seeing what has been released by all the manufacturers in the last month so, I am still very happy (and relieved) that I made a good choice and would not consider a switch from the A7R3, at this point in time. P.S. I don't shoot any video.
TONY & CHELSEA ... if you still read comments here, could you reveal more about the "IS" vibration reduction system in the RF 28-70mm and RF 50mm ?? It's stated on the lens advertising on Amazon as notes from "the manufacturer" and in Canon's White Paper for each lens. Apparently there is an IS system between the sensor in -body and some special element in the lens. Is is possible to do a test with one of these lens vs. an EF adapted on the EOSR with it's IS switch off, or using an EF lens that's minus IS? Thanks.
Which one is better for filmmakers, i am using canon 700d and it’s good in voice recording and video but my problem is in video quality at night and low light the video come very noisy and unclear, so what all of you suggest for me
Im stuck between these two cameras right now. I don't have any prior lenses for either system. Used to have a nikon dslr but sold it and decided to change systems. I hardly do any filming, just photography. Im not a complete beginner, but still got a lot to learn. I photograph only for me personaly; our pets a lot, children, some landscape and want to start doing some street photography. Maybe, depending on which direction life takes, i would want to do pro photography. What speaks to me with the canon is the canon colors (looks a lot better and that has big weight for me), the more ergonomic body, the backscreen. Im not loving that the rf lenses are so expensive, and that they are so restrictive against other brand making rf lenses. Of course there are adapters for ef and maybe they will open up for more brands. Really love sigma art lenses. With the sony, they have so many lenses from different brands to choose from which is good, eye AF for pets, two card slots (i have never needed it though), longer batterylife. On the negative side, i dont like their backscreen and it seems less comfortable to use. Their colors are less pleasing to look at. I havent really done any editing of raw yet but I hope to learn. I think im leaning more towards the canon.. which camera is best for the photography i want to do and the best camera/system for me to grow with?
Tony did you notice that in the Quick Video comparison you did between the two cameras the Sony III took twice as long to focus on your face and then on the puppet face. You said the III's video quality is better than the new Canon but it did not look significantly so to me, and the focusing could be a factor in video and then especially so in the stills which is really more important in many situations. BTW I learned from one of your recent podcasts how you had to morph your career when your corporate tech job was phased out. I have to say you seemed to have really found a GREAT NICHE with the TH-cam Channel and the work you and Chelsea are so great at!! WE are all so lucky to have you both to learn from!!
Doesn’t the Canon R automatically tethered to your smart phone and photos can be sent to cloud automatically. That’s about the best backup cause if your equipment gets stolen then you have a copy in the cloud that you can access anywhere. Or if you’re shooting a wedding, you can tethered photos to different devices for people to preview sound like a nice feature
@@TonyAndChelsea I get your point and understand that as a Canon photographer there are reasons for staying with Canon but in the end it still feels like an 80% to 20% for Sony from my point of view but we don't need to have the same opinion on this... Besides that i always love your reviews and I'm happy to see more competition in the market to drive the innovation 📸
How does the canon have sharper images when it has a full blown AA filter on it while the A7iii has a very subtle AA filter? Sharper images is a BS statement. You have mistaken the extra resolution of the 30mp sensor which only matter when you pixel peep or crop really, really tight.
As someone who's been wanting a mirrorless for quite some time, the choice has become pretty clear now that all major players has put out their cards. Sony is simply 2-3 years ahead of the competition at the moment.
Good review video. For Canon to even be in the running against Sony on their first full frame mirrorless camera says a lot. However, you forgot one key feature re: video in your head-to-head: color science. That comparison video from the Canon just looked way better than the Sony.
Yeah but if you have no raw, you can't post process the video as you want as the camera already does some kind of pixel interpretation. Plus it takes much more time. And still I've never seen as good skintones from sony as from canon yet (in video!).
I will admit I don't care for the vlog style and seldom watch them. The flippy screen seems to be only for them.How hard can it be to keep your head in the shot when you are holding the camera not 2 feet away from you with a wide angle lens and why do you need to see yourself.Just seems like a waste to use either of these cameras for that purpose.I would never choose the inferior video camera just because it has a flippy screen.That's nuts.......Still love your reviews....Keep them coming.
People that say Canon EOS R does not have sony's lens lineup: you do realize that in the box will be an Adapter that lets you adapt any canon EF/EF-S lens without the performance being worse? Also the adapter that allows you to insert filters is a huge deal, you can for example use an ND filter on a fisheye which wasn't possible before...
@@kennypoulsen9003 focus is gonna be on same level and not be worsen by adapter, maybe by camera yes, also there are plenty of sharp ef/ef-s lenses, as adapter has no optical element, quality will not be worse
Why is everyone hating on Tony for not spraying the champagne all over the Sony at the end? Come on guys, you know what's what.... half of the points go to each camera BUT, the Sony wins in all those that really matter - not hard to figure out. So if you're deciding on one of these two cameras you wouldn't really need to hear the conclusion at the end of this video. You should just thank him for providing such a concise and informative comparison. What have you done for the photography community today....?
This just happened couple days ago. Retailers (B&H, Amazon...Canonpricewatch are actually giving rebates or discounted prices for the EOS R/EOS R kit lens combo during the pre-order sale. This says a lot about the popularity of the EOS R. IMO, it's not a good sign for Canon for sure.
Jean N where are the rebates listed? I’ve checked www.bhphotovideo.com/c/promotion/12352/canon-rebates.html and www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/promotions-home?searchid=1521075389484 and do not see anything listed about the Canon EOS R. I have one pre-ordered from Best Buy but would cancel and reorder if that’s the o it way I could get it. But I can’t seem to find any mention of instant saving or mail in
+MikedieONE - You need to get your facts straight here before calling someone BS. The discount does not come from Canon. It was the retailers that have decided to do that.
+aceflibble - You and MikedieOne must shared the same brain. Canon do not offer discounted prices at introductory stage. It was the retailers that have decided to do that for a number of reasons. Overstock in one of them.
Hey Tony I experienced not being able to use 1080 60fps with efs lenses which kind of limits vloggers that want to use efs & diminishes the Canon claim that" If you don't want a crop just use 1080 at 60fps"
After returning to photography after a 15 year break I was blessed to try out both these cameras before deciding. The reviews I Read and watched all favoured the Sony, but I came to the conclusion that like other electronics most reviews and comments focused on raw the technology not the art. In my opinion, the Sony was simply a joyless to use, confusing menus, shocking ergonomics and a really awful reputation for after sales service should anything go wrong. The better performance by the Sony at the margins was not enough to negate these issues as the Canon R provided vastly superior user experience in the field. I eventually went with the canon R. Was it the best technically? Probably not, but it’s ergonomics were superb, it’s wireless and Bluetooth made backups instantaneous, no need for another card, menus and ease of use were intuitive, the lens range was extensive ( even the couple of 15 y.o. Lenses I own worked) and I picked up a couple of second hand ones really cheap. Finally it was a joy to hold and use, like an old friend. I would venture to say that it will outsell the A7iii due to Canon’s reputation and ecosystems, and they know their market better than the bloggers on TH-cam who often are ‘influencers’ who say what they are paid to say...and Sony are famous for this.
The Sony has IBIS, better dynamic range, AF, FPS, video slomo, no 4K crop, cheaper sharper lenses ... and you can't call it between the two 🤔... oh it's the flip screen 😅
Don't forget the dual card slots in the Sony. That said, I sold my a7riii and downgraded to the eos r. I'm a lot happier with the eos r mainly due to the grip comfort and general ease of use. Picked up the RF 15-35, RF 50 and RF 85 and have been blown away with the IQ. It's a lot like the PC vs Apple comparison. Sony packs their cameras with top tier specs and options (PC) while Canon uses a more intuitive ecosystem approach (Apple). Can't really go wrong either way.
I am deciding between both as my first pro camera. I'm extremely biased to choose the Sony because it's the camera that made me start looking at taking photography seriously. But a lot of you are saying the Sony won everything. After watching some other comparison videos as well, I'll have to say the Canon has MUCH better colors, C-Log is better than S-Log, and the VIDEO AF on the Canon IS much better and faster and more consistent. However, the Sony has much better AF for eye tracking when taking photos. I also think the Canon is better for 1080 HD videos because of the color. For 4k if you don't have the right lense the crop is obviously a disadvantage. I still think I want the Sony more but I need to do more research and have yet to compare to Nikon or other popular mirrorless models yet.
I realized you had the Sony R on the table at the end, was that because thats all you had? I know they are practically the same body. But great review! Sony is dominating the mirrorless game. Cant wait to get mine!
It is a 3rd generation for Sony and 1st for Canon. Canon is not ready for prime time yet, clearly. But this is also why you don't buy the first year model of a car after major change. Nobody liked Sony A7. Canon 2nd generation (RR) is the one to wait for.
....but Canon has had FOUR YEARS to study what Sony has done with mirrorless, and TWO YEARS to come up with something better than this essentially tweaked version of the EOS 5d IV sensor (1.74 crop factor - WTH???) which took FOUR YEARS to be released after the 5d III!! No, what Canon did here is inexcusable
hang on a second I was promised something amazing by canon fanboys, granted the eosr is better then I expected but still not blowing my mind, now you're telling me i have to wait for the 2nd gen?
Kris W "Canon 2nd generation is the one to wait for." But then, won't the competition have also advanced accordingly? I'm not a sony user, but I'm sure that company is not going to just lay back with what they already have.
Nothing 1st generation is perfect. Granted, they (like Nikon) had a few years watching Sony and both 1st FF Nikon and Canon mirrorless are way better than 1st Sony but they can't bridge the gap completely. And the competition is always like that: the newest product from one brand is better than other things on the market until someone else introduces their new product. Both Nikon and Canon have features that competition doesn't, including Sony. Now think back a few years - what was your wish list for camera features? I bet all cameras have more today. We always want more, nothing wrong with it. It's a matter of setting your own list of important features and picking which camera is closest to it. Because many of us have a bunch of lenses, we will most likely stick to one brand. Just maybe not jumping on the first generation of mirrorless but waiting a bit more. I bet like Z6 and Z7, Canon will have their higher end mirrorless soon that will address some shortcomings of EOS R.
I guess that's the worst part. The competition has been out and it's not like the specs are hidden. They have the bar they have to beat and it seems like they didn't really make an overall better camera. Yeah, it's good in some and bad in some but, if you knew beforehand another person was gonna be wearing the same thing as you, why would you show up still wearing those clothes?
I wonder why Sony's Eye-AF is only available as a custom button assignment, rather than just another Focus Area option which can be activated with either a half-press of the shutter release or an AF-ON button press.
Here's a summary of the testing:
Individual Test Winner
Focusing Sony
IBIS Sony
Card Slots Sony
Frame Rate Sony
Video Sony
Auto Focus Sony
Dynamic Range Sony
Joystick Sony
Lenses Sony
Flippy Screen Canon
Best Trip to Maui Canon*
Overall Conclusion = Tie
Hmm, I'm not sure what to make of the test nor the conclusion...
M Allred I think we all know what to make of it
Best lenses Sony?! Ha said no one...
Look at those sony colours. They are disgusting.
Sony actually has the best color reproduction. www.pdnonline.com/gear/cameras/the-best-cameras-for-color-reproduction-ranked/
@ did big Tony not just demonstrate that the Canon lens stabilisation is better than the Sony ibis
So, the A7 III has two card slots, clearly superior dynamic range, autofocus and burst rate, better video quality, a larger selection of quality native mount lenses and isn't hampered by that total waste of a slider bar control. Yet, you lead off the video saying you can't decide between the two.
With respect to a casual shooter, they should use their smartphone for selfie videos or vlogging. Get the Sony for everything else. It's the clearly better camera for both stills and video.
I think he says there's no winner because both cameras have features that make them non-starters for certain kinds of shooting.
The lack of a second card slot makes the Canon a potentially ruinous choice for wedding photographers.
The lack of a flip out screen makes vlogging with the Sony basically impossible.
Also, if you currently use Canon cameras, having the Canon lenses with a Canon adapter is a HUGE benefit for the EOS R.
I think people starting out in Full Frame will probably go straight to the Sony, or maybe wait for the Panasonic, the only people trying to decide between the Sony and the Canon are existing Canon shooters who've invested in a lot of premium glass.
The MC-11 works ok at shorter focal lengths but it still misses shots, I wouldn't use it for anything important. Since Canon don't have to reverse engineer their own mount, their adapter is presumably closer to native experience.
I've heard that the Sony 70-200 f2.8 G Master for example isn't as good as the Canon equivalent, and costs more, so the Canon shooter has the choice of spending thousands on replacing their lenses, some maybe not quite as good as what they already owned, to gain better dynamic range (which may be a big deal for some, less so for others), better auto focus and better eye autofocus.
I don't think it's a clear-cut decision by any means.
I've currently got a foot in both camps, love my A7R III, but not planning on replacing all my glass any time soon, if Canon up their game in the next generation I may well be tempted back!
Bill Ferris for stills the Canon is better. It can give sharp shots at 6.5 stops with a 2 seconds exposure hand held! A fully articulating screen with 2 second handheld exposure is a wonderful combination.
Bill Ferris 100% agree. The only reasons I see people getting the canon over the Sony is flip screen, owning canon lenses, or brand loyalty. The Sony is CHEAPER by hundreds of dollars, and better in so many other aspects.
hikyletaggart the canon has higher resolution, which translates to sharper images. In photography that’s about the most important feature.
„There is no clear winner“
*WANT TO WIN AN EOS R??*
doyoulikejazz best comment. Nobody wants that canon shit
I have the same thought we already know whos the winner HAHAHA
Usually products with less quality would be the ones they give away freely 😏😏😏
winner will be a7 iv, hold out till 2020
nop
Well Sony.. I hope you learned something from this....
GIVE US A DAM FLIP SCREEN !!!
Lol... 🤣
I have the a7Rii and not one single time did I miss a flip screen. But that's probably because I would never film myself. Also, I always use the finder. Never the screen. Maybe just a habit from the very early days.
Sony doesn’t have a flip screen because Canon has a exclusive patent that prevents any other brand from having the same screen. That’s why every other brand tilits
@@zjtkk08 for example the panasonic gh5s has a flip screen
@@jakobroider6014 in full frame! even panasonic full frame had to find a work around for flip screen
@@awaraa S1H can flip the screen outwards like Canon also and flip upwards, which differs from the S1 which flips the screen inwards and upwards. Makes sense because the latter is a better for photography e.g. portrait low angle shots.
They worked around the patent (if there is one) by using two hinges instead of one hinge and a single articulating mechanism. I actually like the S1H one better because you can still angle the screen inline with the lens.
NOTE: We did all our testing on the Sony a7 III. I used the Sony a7R III just to demonstrate the physical controls, because we had to return the a7 III, and the Sony a7R III is physically identical. Win a Canon EOS R at freesdp.com
Buy the Sony a7 III (sdp.io/a73) or the Canon EOS R (sdp.io/r)
Hi Tony, any idea when Canon might bring out a mirrorless version of the EOS 5DS or 5DSr?
@SwitchRich 30mp should look a but sharper than 24 , disadvantage is less shadow performance, most photagraphers will never Crop to a point where you need to crop to make the Canon look better.in other words a 1:1 image on a 4k tv will look the same,
Why don't people get an external monitor, if filming yourself is important? Won't that benefit people wanting to film 4K with a Sony and without a crop.
Did I miss were Tony mentions the 1.8x crop at 4K with the Canon R?
He keeps saying that it is a great vlogging camera, but doesn’t mention that the 24-105 lens will be more like 50-180 cause of the crop factor.
Those vloggers are going to need really long arms!!!
I'm not sure but it looks like the Sony won all the individual tests (focusing, frame rate, video, controls, AF, Speed, Dynamic Range, lenses, etc) but it didn't win the title?
It depends on the user. The Canon has a flip screen much better focusing with Canon lenses. Otherwise most people will be happier with the Sony.
Wouldn't people be better off with an EOS M5 vs the EOS R since the R crops so much? They could save a bunch of money and buy lenses with the money saved.
When vlogging support became so important to photogs?
He was sponsored by both.
Whats the use if its cropping while filming.
Went for the Sony the first chance I got, switching from Canon after 10 years. Not saying there isn't a learning curve, or that everything is better, but it still feels like stepping 5-10 years into the future. Just finished a wedding with 2x A7III and an A7RIII, the AF is in another league, and the eye af and excellent tracking make the portrait session and things like low light wedding reception dancing photos a breeze.
Thanks for non biased review. Apart from the flippy tilty screen, for professional work the canon looks quite inferior.
Now really the only two things I'd wish in the A7III would be a bit more ruggedness / weather sealing, and that excellent silent shutter of the A9. But still, it is a perfect workhorse, not missing a beat in any of the weddings I've shot this year.
Great, honest review - I have the A7R3 & A9. Used to have the 5DSr.
And now with new update from Sony. New eye AF permanently haha
After warrenty Sony dead
To me where the Canon EOS R fails is the massive crop factor when shooting video, so if you are going back and forth between shooting video & photos you have to completely reframe to get the same shot in the two different modes. I still find it hard to believe Canon did that.
That crop factor is just for 4K video
+ Krishna Poddar
I know - I meant to say that. And I reiterate: I think it is a massive fail to have such a large difference in the Field of View between the two shooting modes.
its 2018,many people shoot in 4k now.
@@chandan6119 4k allows for some cropping in post
yes 4k is the way to go now
13:50 I disagree, Sony video auto-focus isn't jerky at all, just depends which focusing speed you choose. "Normal" speed is butter!
I would like to see an update to this video now that the EOS R is a year old and there have been several firmware updates.
I was split between the Eos RP and Eos R and decided for the Eos RP and some things are actually working better and easier than on the Eos R and this test just proved it to me. Glad I went for the RP. Always asked myself if the R would have been a better choice.
Only advantages of the R is C-Log, battery life and better low-light performance. Picture-wise they're almost, if not on par.
@@finaltouchpro648and dynamic range is far better with the eos R
Video summary: “Sony is better but I’m not allowed to say it. “
Joe Eley tks for saving 16 mins of my life
Well, no.
Yeah, maybe last year. But This year, Canon is releasing the R5 and R6, while it seems the A7 IV and the A7S III are being delayed indefinitely. Anyway, even if they were coming out, the R5 is the most anticipated camera of the year. Boy, I'm glad I waited for the Canon mirrorless system to mature a little, before wasting money on a Sony system. Sure, the eye autofocus seems great, but the video recording on the Sony A7 IV is rumored lousy 4K 30, the Canon R5 is able to do 8K 30p and 4K 60p no crop, with internal video recording. Plus, it's made in Japan instead of Made in China, like the Sony. lmao, the lenses are way higher quality in the Canon system too. Man, people saying Sony is "better", for a lot of people the R6 is going to be better than the A7 IV would have been. Man, it's a monopoly for Canon this year, and the big announcement event is later this month online.
@@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr Now you only need to sell your soul to afford it... While most casual and pro shooter can pick up an A7 III at half the price (or less) than what the R5 will surely cost.
@@neolier A7 III is still a two thousand dollar camera. R5 Canon mirrorless body is expected to be 3499.00 I'll be surprised if it's more than that.
The Sony a7iii also gives you the option to punch into aps-c mode, allowing you to move in tighter. Granted, you do lose some resolution, but it allows you to get the shot. (I’m a life long Canon pro who waited and waited for the Canon mirrorless, and then switched to Sony AFTER the EOS R was announced.)
For stills, you can do exactly the same thing by cropping your photo in post.
kristianmag true, however when you crop into apsc, the eye autofocus finds your intended target easier, especially if it’s at an event or party with multiple options.
With Canon, they give you the APS-C/Super35/Crop mode by default. Just selet 4k instead of 1080p and there you go. Instant zoom. Enjoy ;)
BROis yeah lol, too bad they don’t give you the option to go full frame in 4k. Canon’s constant crippling of their camera basically helped me make the switch an easy decision, and there are lots more like me. They don’t want to cannibalize their cinema line, but now they’ve lost a Canon lifer instead.
They aren't crippling on purpose, they just don't have the processor/technology for it at the moment. At least according to an interview with their execs. They also considered using IBIS, but couldn't deal with the heat. Trust me, these companies aren't looking to get beat by someone else just to save another line... I just don't think they have the resources at this stage to deal with the things it took Sony YEARS to innovate/develop and test in the marketplace.
I was watching an interview with someone from Sony and they mentioned that the insanely quiet/fast/accurate motors in the Sony 400 f/2.8 were actually the same technology they've employed for IBIS. They've since put that same AF motor into the Sony FE 24 f/1.4 GM and I'm sure future lenses will enjoy all of those innovations.
It’s odd that you say there is no clear winner and then rattle off advantage after advantage for the A7iii: much better video, IBIS, 2 card slots, more native lenses, auto focus, free usb charging, joystick, better button placement, etc...
i bet they try to make it seem fair to Canon so they don't lose any business from them if they just basically say don't get a Canon.
Thanks for the thorough review. Sony appears to be the winner despite having no flippy screen IMO.
From others I've heard the a7iii crops in 4k 30, but now I'm not sure 11:38. Does anyone know?
It crops just a little (1.2x I think). The Canon crops 1.8X.
Ahhh I see, thanks for the info. Always love the honesty of your guys vids, keep it up!
Yes Sony crops at 4K30 and I think it also crops at 4K25, which is sad. Only no crop at 4K24. Even if 1.2x crop is a little of a crop, it's still crop and not a very good thing.
Charbax Especially when using a wide angle lens & trying to get as much in frame. Sony sony sony, whyyyy? I guess their holding off for a7siii
@@charbax I don't think any mirror less camera does zero-crop 4k. Only pro cinema cameras ATM. I'd imagine next generation of Sonys and Canons and Nikons will do full width though.
Nooooooooooo! How will i spin this video to conform to my pre-existing world view without a clear winner!
😂
Buy Nikon
full frame gives a lot better iso performance, so no bueno. I will not be downsizing my sensor size from APS-C
As a trucker/vlogger shooting on the go with little time I've been frustrated with every camera I've tried: Panasonic G7, Sony 6300, 6500, Canon 80D, Sony a7Sii, Canon G7Xii. Of all those cameras the only one I really count on is the G7Xii. I'm going to try the R, it seems like it's made for vlogging in 1080/60. The Sony is cheaper (literally), but the stabilization is weak at best and I'm not ready to trust it's focusing for video. Thanks Tony!
Skintone test in mixed lighting situation, with AWB?
Portrait-profile comparison?
These are some extremely valid reasons why Canon users are still sticking to their gear.
Tony make a video like this comparing Nikon Z with sony a7 iii...plz.. thank you
-The Canon has an AA filter
-The multifunction bar is unusable
-DPAF doesn't work as intended
-No IS
-4k video unusable
-Single card slot
-Overpriced
-The A7III is superior to cameras with twice the cost
-"There is no clear winner"
-Wat
Zane Leitch - Thank you from a sane x canon and current sony camera owner
@@aceflibble or affiliates.
The Canon has an AA filter yet is clearly sharper and more detailed in the test shots he showed.
@@danieltaylor1522 they should they test it with sony + their best lense, vs canon r + the ultimate best lense of RF lense,. they forget something that lense matters the most rather than the body,. i can get great image and photo on my entry lvl camera just by using 50mm 1.2 lense,.
@@kenjiyamamoto8470 Looking at the lenses Canon is releasing that's not going to help Sony. So far the RF glass is fantastic.
The Canon EOS R : the hidden child from a drunken night of a Sony A7 I (2013) and a Canon 5D IV (2016). Welcome to the family !
Awesome!
Sorry Tony, Canon EOS-R is not hot
Mount size is not only for the purpose of smaller lenses. It allows larger aperture too in the case of the 28-70 f/2. It's all preference which camera to use, It can be rationally argued that Canon is at least a valid option, worthy of purchase, and even superior/inferior in specific aspects. Canon have things Sony don't and vice versa.
Indeed. Big ass sensors and barrelsize lenses produce stunning pictures. Sony is just a step lower on the ladder, with a shirtpocket camera on the first sport. ;)
@YouMeAndFresnoBob This is exactly what I was thinking!
A liquor store photo study? Hey I'm not judging...
The “Casual Shooter” would only benefit from ALL the things the A7III includes, for less money. How the hell is the Canon better exactly? I understand Tony’s been getting lots of flack lately for calling out Canon and Nikon, but I would find him so much more credible if he stuck to his guns. This video was pretty difficult to stomach.
And for selfies? How about the decent HD video camera we all have in our pockets now? I have taken maybe five selfies with my SLR. I personally hate them! Half my selfies are making fun of people who take selfies!
Hi Tony... I'm torn between getting the Canon EOS R or the A7iii. The Canon is (was) slightly winning me over, due to the flip screen, and the ease of the menu...but looking at many IG photos of pics taken with a A7iii vs the EOS R, it looks like the Sony a7iii pics just have that extra sharpness and detail, while Canon photos look a tad softer. Just wanted to know if you observed this also or its just my imagination. At the end of the day, its the photo images that matters, not menu usability or a flip screen, right?
any reply?
@@wikedwhich1 nothing...ended up getting the EOS R though.
@@troyr3478 and so far what do you think...why did you plumb for this ?
@@wikedwhich1 Ease of use, especially in the menu beats the sony. Ergonomics with the Canon in terms of how it fits in my hand were better too. As for the images, super sharp but of course that's all in the lens. I got the 50mm RF 1.8, and a canon 24-70 2.8 and they are very sharp. Battery is very poor though, battery dies quick. The LCD screen is super sharp and high resolution compared to the Sony. I'm no pro-photographer, so those are just my minor opinions but I'm happy with the purchase.
I am a Canon shooter and I think the R is a bad first attempt at FF mirrorless. Bring back the joystick, put 2 card slots in it and sensor stabilisation. Then fix the eye AF and take off the AA filter. Only then will I buy it. In the mean time the Nikon Z looks much better. If Nikon only knew the potential of a proper ef to z adapter, they would make it their first priority.
Yes, so wait for the Pro EOS R model if you want/need those features
Your intro said "Sorry Fanbois but there is no clear winner." You then when on to show that the Sony was better in everything that mattered.
And yet Canon won in many things that mattered to many people. It is all about what one feels important as features. Canon has more glass to use natively, better for vlogging, has far more AF points and from everything I have seen, far better AF performance for non action. Once Sony brings out lots of big glass and it doesn't cost $12k then maybe people will think Sony is the clear cut winner in everything.
Huh? Canon has like 5 native lenses. Sony has closer to 50.
Canon doesn't have working eye focus.
@@rsilvers129 every canon lens is a native lens with the adapter and the adapters have different purposes.
Only native lenses (no adaptor) are native.
@@rsilvers129 not true. It works 100% with the camera, is OEM equipment with the adapter made specifically for those lenses. They are for all practical purposes, native lenses.
5:25 The image comparison is flawed tho, it's still the same from the previous video where the A7III image is out of focus. There isn't almost any perceivable difference in detail between a 30 and 24 mpx sensor.
What Sony camera are you actually reviewing, Tony? The tittle says A7III but the Sony camera you are showing clearly has an R on it? Are you comparing the Sony A7RIII?
I'm a nikon user and don't have a horse in the canon/sony race but if I were getting either of these it would 100% be the Sony.
Once great dynamic range/ never go back;-)
Same boat here, John. I can't fully express how bad this is from Canon at that price point. What a strange camera. Huge sensor, zero features, flip out screen. So confusing.
Yup good choice, switched from Nikon to Sony
I went Sony initially, switching to Canon now.
Because of the flippy screen? lol
Just bought myself a EOS R this past weekend, such a joy to use.
You confirmed again what I have always experienced. Canon has terrible shadow noise. Again and again my 6D lets me down when shooting at night. 3 stops of shadow push is nothing, and thus I have to mess with various tricks in post. WHY can't we have a quiet sensor, Canon? And if it will be noisy (as all sensors must be at some point) why can't the noise be more random, stochastic? Then I might just leave it, as it would have a film like quality. But the color bands and blobs are WAY harder to clean than luminance noise. Just SO DISAPPOINTED. I guess Canon designers never shoot at night! That makes Sony the clear winner. Because what you said is basically this: the cameras are pretty equal, but avoid shooting in such and such situations with Canon. Case closed. Not being a vlogger, Sony is where I am heading!
It might be who is behind the camera who is counting pixels instead of learning how light works.
I am glad you shoot properly lit images and no need to be concerned with this issue. In severe backlight, while trying to hold detail/color in the sky, pulling shadows is a serious problem and has nothing to do with pixel peeping.
I'm just goofing about. No offense. That must be awful having to shoot in such awful conditions all the time. I would hate that. Can you find a workaround to make life a little easier for you?
I own both, but I feel that EOS R is made more robustly in the sense of holding it, and EVF is also higher than EOS R by several stages. Moreover, the heat radiation effect and the drip-proof effect are high. And the color of the canon is familiar.
Do you still hold the same opinion 2 years later?
I’ve never owned a camera before and I’m thinking about getting an EOS R, will I regret this?
Buy a a73 for pro work and pick up a Sony a5100 for vlogging for 300 bucks. Price comes out the same as one canon. Keeping my fingers crossed for a professional canon mirrorrless in the mean time
You definitely won't get the same results with the a5100.
Or you could just use your 4k 60p iphone on a small gimble for the average vlogger.
@@chuck90504 True, a Panasonic G85 would be better for vlogging. Good image quality and a stabilization, flip out screen and lightweight.
Or buy this one just for 13 bucks and use your 6.5 inch phone screen to see your self. It will give 2,5 times bigger view your self.
www.amazon.com/Chargercity-Camera-Tripod-Samsung-Smartphone/dp/B00C3QF4GY
No mic jack on 5100
Tony a true gentleman/diplomat
The plus for Canon um..um..um
It has nicer buttons
No lenses, it doesn't focus but...
Dont worry he gets paid to confuse our wallets and cause us buyers remorse lol the sony is the winner
No clear winner are you kidding me!
LOL!
Tony, the canon eye af test shown here was with the latest firmware?
Where's Chelsea? I'd like her to be in the video even if just to annoy Tony! :D
and for the boudoir future photoshoot ... ;)
Yep I totally agreed. Chelsea is much prettier then The great Tony.lol
Is Tony old or born with white hair like Dante?
😂 true that
If you need to see yourself while recording with the Sony there are several options right? You can connect a small HDMI external monitor, or connect to a computer or a phone app that shows what is being filmed.
If I was starting now and had the money for either of these two new bodies I would get an a7III or save a bit more and get the A7RIII (they are only 350 euros apart). Tony could you do a comparison of how the 24-105 Canon lens measures up against the SONY 24-105?
How is the 7iii only 350 eur cheaper than the Riii?
Check : www.e-infin.com/eu/category/mirrorless_cameras
I have the A7R3, it's amazing. The 42mp sensor is by far the best I've ever shot with.
What else did you shoot with?
Holy moly, Northrups. I'm a fan of your channel (I even paid for SDP) but this is just an embarrassment. Unless a flippy screen is your NUMBER ONE priority (the only thing the Sony flat-out can't do) there really should be no circumstance where the Canon should be recommended over A73.
Apparently you're recommending this (edit: Canon) for people "If you're a new casual shooter without any particular camera" even though what "new, casual shooter" is buying a $2,300 camera??? but you also concede that EYE AF: "[CANON] Canon EYE AF is unusable", Silent shooting: "[CANON] Essentiaully useless", Action AF: "[CANON] It's one of the worst sports cameras I've ever used". Why??? Because Canon EOS-R menus and viewfinder are slightly better. :o WTF?? I can't even wrap my head around this recommendation.
I'm not a pro. Just an enthusiast and I use these features ALL THE TIME. I volunteered and took class pictures for my kid's school. Guess what? I used Eye-AF and friggin' killed it. I shot pix for my cousin's wedding. Silent shot her whole walk down the aisle (/w AF at more than 2 fps). Mind boggling how you discount these actual features that get you better pictures over subjective things like "slightly better body-feel, menus and viewfinder". Maybe the menus or VF aren't as good but the Sony doesn't have "useless", "unusable" features.
So, according to you, a slightly better form factor/menus/EVF are more important to new shooters over (probably) best in-class Eye-AF, Motion AF, Silent shooting AF/etc/etc. This video is just crazy-town to me... :(
Your basing all this based on my review, and it sounds like you haven't used the camera, so I don't know why you think I'm crazy. The Canon is sharper, easier to use, and takes the all-important selfie. New photographers will love it. I specifically recommended the Sony for wedding photographers.
Who gets into a full-frame ILC camera setup for selfies? That's what cell phones are for. Vlogging? Yes. Selfies? No.
If I came off a little harsh, I apologize. I'd been drinking...lol, so I'll take it down like 3 notches.
You're absolutely right. I haven't used it but I think my points are still valid when comparing the 2 directly but if your conclusion is: new photographers (that have $2300 to drop) will like it then I can't refute that. IMO, I think that even new shooters will want to eventually try Eye-AF, Motion AF, Silent shooting AF but if you buy the Canon you're SOL because they're "useless" and "unusable" but that's just me. I still love ya, Tony.
Very Canon friendly review
Couldn't agree more. Seems like vlogging is also the most important camera feature set for Tony "now a days" which seems silly. Seems like the Canon is the new toy and that's what he wants to play with... It's hard to understand why the Canon wins or he does a poor job articulating exactly why.
@@mallred4347 hands down you have Sony camera and you trying to justify a purchase :) you did right choice and now you can just chill it's no point to leave 20 comments under the video lol.
You have way too much time on your hands to be counting my posts. Kinda creepy and weird Tomas. BTW your analysis is wrong - I posted a bunch because 1. I was a disappointed with Tonys flopping and recent love affair with vlogging with a 3 pound camera that is obviously a dumb choice for the job and 2. I was bored/cranky last night... BTW, I've pre-ordered the EOS-R and I own 5 Canon L lenses along with my A7R3 and A9. I'm looking forward to using the EOS R with my lenses (which do work great with my Metabones V adapter on my Sonys). You're a creep.
@@mallred4347 I will take that as a compliment :)
Tomas Ramoska Your ass smells
About DR. I think DPP 4.9 does a far better job with opening shadows than LR. Only use some extra CN-reduction. Can you test this?
I am surprised that you selected the Canon. I don’t understand why. The only thing (according to your own video ) that it does is : 1. Filming yourself alone 2. Video autofocus at low resolution (we know canon is the best at that). The autofocus if frustratingly slow, there are almost no lenses. It’s a single camera system st the moment. Sony no longer has only expensive lenses , you can get native lenses from. Sigma. The Sony is a proven system , the Canon is new. I frankly fail to see why recommend a normal newbie that camera. The screen is totally irrelevant, most people buying a camera will not use it to film themselves blog style.
Why would someone recommend a newbie this type of camera anyways?
... who would be using their iPhone or Samsung.
surely a young vlogger would get more mileage from a cheaper dslr or m3/4 if you only want to film yourself do you really need an interchangable lens system?
Please check his image quality test video ....Canon having better IQ details n sharpness wise
Sony makes TV's they don't make camera's you silly billy. Tony is wise enough to know this.
Fair comparison, but... I would say that Sony a7iii is at least two generations ahead of the EOS R. So most likely the Riii will be a good camera but then Sony will introduce a7v or similar. After many years of using the full frame cameras from Canon I switched to Sony this summer and enjoy it.
I will always respect Canon but hopefully they will learn something from Sony and treat their loyal customers better.
This is a poor comparison @Tony you didn’t mention that canon cannot adapt Sony lenses yet you mark sony down for not being perfect with adapting canon glass when it is their competitors. You went route of Peter McKinnon and hyped up this sub par camera to make it a match for Sony. It shoots crop 4K when Sony is oversampled 4K. Only thing I can give it as a win is the blogger style autofocus. Everything else Sony slaughtered canon and Nikon. For photographers there’s only one winner. Sony. For videographer it is still Sony. Just by an atomos 4K screen for 300$ and you can see yourself and it would still cost less than Canon 😱
Someone owns the Sony 🤡
This is why you guys are the best. Right front the start straight into the content, no b.s. only information that is backed by science.
If you shoot a lot of video the sony kills the canon.
THE PROBLEM: The low end G85 has a flippy screen and no record limit while the high end "video-centric" A7SII is a piece
The FPS rate on the Canon was shocking. Wow Canon. That is horrid.
I found one big problem with A7III (and all a7)
If you close down the aperture in low-light situation, the autofocus performance will be severely crippled.
Because when you do (F8 and above for example) the auto-focus will initial WITHOUT opening up to a brighter aperture like EOS (at brightest aperture) or Nikon Z does (at medium aperture).
You will run into this problem when
1. Dark studio environment while using smaller apertures, the focus will confirm slower and miss or simply hunt.
2. When shooting for example group photos with smaller apertures in poorly lit environment, the focus will be noticeably slower or hunt a bit (you need depth to get everyone in focus).
I have test this thoroughly and I am 100% confident that this is so far one of the worst problem you could run into for stills.
Please try it yourself by
1. Set any target in a room slightly poorly lit (does not have to be severely under lit)
2. Focus at that target at maximum aperture, notice the speed.
3. Focus at the same target in that same room with the same light at F8.
You will see what I'm talking about, it has been a huge hindrance in my work both in the studio and at wedding and events that I had to sell off all my gear after just under a year of moving to Sony.
I switched to Sony from my 5D and its been great... I was waiting for Canon mirrorless so long and only now they release one am glad I did not wait. I really don't understand why canon could not do in camera image stabilization? This would been great with legacy lenses...huge deal breaker for me. Having said that am sure Canon will sell bunch of these and it might be good fit for many due its out of box color science.
Hey Tony, for now, I'm satisfied with my 5D MIV, but I want my next full frame camera to be mirrorless. I love my Fuji. I want something more like my 5D than the R is right now. Any thoughts on when Canon will put out a 5D style mirrorless with dual slots, a joystick, and faster frame rates?
"Theres no clear winner"
proceeds to give example of every reason the sony is definitely the clear winner
What about low light AF? How their AF systems compare in situations, which may be difficult for grabbing focus? Backlighted people, almost completely dark rooms etc
What about the a7riii vs the eos R?
Eos R has no chance against a7r?3
Sony a7riv vs eosr
Hi Tony and Chelsea- So I'm not sold on the EOS R. Is there a Canon camera that offers more similar strengths to the Sony a7iii, but with those Canon colours I love? Thanks in advance.
So Tony, let me know if I'm way off with this summary:
The Sony wins for native lens selection, autofocus, video recording options, dynamic range, FPS, silent shooting.
The Canon wins for overall lens selection (with the adapter), resolution, the image stabilization, and ergonomics (unless you're back-button focusing).
Additionally:
If I were doing professional work, the single card slot would make the Canon a non-starter.
If I were vlogging, the lack of a flip-screen would make the Sony a non-starter.
If I were just starting, the sony would definitely win the comparison, but if I had Canon lenses, I'd almost be FORCED to stick with Canon.
I AM just starting. I DID pick the Sony. I have to say I'm pretty unhappy with my decision in that this is FAR too expensive a camera for me right now.
However, I *_AM_* happy with it compared to the other new mirrorless cameras. Canon and Nikon both seem like they're going to be playing catchup for a few generations.
Sounds to me like perhaps one of the Fujifilm cameras would be right for you?
Possibly, but it's a bit late for that lol. Mistakes were made...
I’ve actually never had a problem shooting Canon lenses on my Sony. It’s actually all I use for portraits. I would say for Video it’s not worth using Canon lenses. But for photos with the MC11 I have sharp photos with my adapted Canon glass as I did when borrowing native Sony glass and the autofocus is great, even eye AF works.
The sony is the clear winner tbh
Except for the fact that it doesn't have a flippy screen and doesn't adapt Canon lenses natively.
@@brois841 So it doesn't have afeature that is only useful to the small percentage of TH-camrs out there. And it isn't natively compatible with it's competitors products??? Lol
@@brois841 vloggers make an extremely small portion of photographers and videographers. And why would it need to adapt canon lenses natively? It's not like the Canon can adapt sony lenses. At least it can adapt a-mount, Canon, and sigma lenses at all. There's already great native sony lenses so that should not be a talking point at all.
Guys, I know you think only TH-camrs want this feature, but they aren't the only ones. I've had my camera near a wall or a place where it was a pain to walk around and get my head back there. You can flip the screen and show the subjects so they can see what they look like and how things are framed. I have many examples when I found it useful, but the point is it's about choice. Fuji's system allows for the same up/down tilting that Sony has, but also flip-out for anyone who might want it. So simple and ingenious.
Another thing I like about the flippy screen on the Panasonic GH line of cameras is that you can flip it around to protect it and throw it in a bag. Always nice to have a choice and I honestly like Canon's screen.
I am pretty sure that the only Fuji camera that has that currently is the new budget Fuji x-t100 and that is the best system with the best of both worlds, all other Fujis with a moving screen are like the Sony. But if I had to choose between the sony style or canon style screen it would be the Sony one because it is more discreet in public/street photography and the screen is closer to the controls, also you can use an external monitor if you really need to see yourself. Also because the screen on the Canon flips out to the left, it means you have to cross your hands over if you are right handed and hold the camera with your left hand and want to use the touch screen with your right hand while it is flipped out and tilted up or down.
Subjective, but it seemed that the Canon video looked a bit more pleasing (to me at least). The 12.8K ISO @ 4K seemed to look much better on Canon, though I don't know if it's the TH-cam compression making the Sony footage in that test look so blotchy and over processed (see 12:12 with face, neck and shirt on the highlighted (screen-right) side). That said, no IBIS makes it very difficult to consider the Canon, as I have a ton of vintage glass I want to leverage with IBIS.
OMG...... THE CANON USB CHARGER RETAILS FOR $190..............Why? Its a $20 charger at most. It just goes to show how naive some people are.....!!!!! Cant wait for someone to justify this kind of BS..... I'm not going to buy this camera as I'm a fuji/nikon user but had to comment. $190 for a Canon USB adapter.......!!!!! A Phase One Battery charger/cradle costs $140 and thats a $20,000 camera....... GO Figure.....!!!
The Sony A7III doesn't even come with a battery charger. You have to buy one separately for around $80. Talk about a royal rip-off!
they probably sell the camera at a discount... they have to make the money somewhere. just a guess tho
Justification: because Apple.
I bought an excellent USB charger that can charge 2 Canon batteries. Made by Powerextra. Very good value for money!
@@ropersix yeah because you can charge the camera directly with any cheap USB-C cable
I always wonder why these reviews never get updated. At least, they should put a sticky note mentioning that since the 1.4 firmware update, Canon EOS R is not that far behind the Sony A7 III
10 bit 4:2:2 (external), 1080p 120fps, IBIS, Non-cropped 4K, nice EVF and touchscreen, excellent weather sealing......I think the Nikon Z6 is worth a look when it comes out soon and we see brutal reviews...otherwise I'll switch to Sony from Canon. Unless we get something definitive from Panasonic full frame very soon.
www.theverge.com/2018/9/29/17916606/panasonic-lumix-s1r-hands-on-photos-photokina-2018
also nikon comes with bad AF, IBIS is much worse than sony...
and sony does external 4:2:2 (only 8bit, but it's better than internal 4:2:0)
Wait for the 2 Panasonic FF mirrorless cameras; they will smoke these two :-)
Can you test the EOS R with the Sigma Art lens to check the performance? Also how do you feel about the blue tooth/wifi to an external device to replace a second card slot?
So far, this is the best comparison yet.
Informative, unbiased, concise and to the point. Nice work, Tony...
In addition, while many of the nay sayers here put down the flip-out screen, it is a definite advantage, especially when trying to minimize reflections and maximize the scene if you are using live view.. Just one of the many reasons I enjoy my 80D..
unless you take into account that theyre PAID BY CANON
Yes Alex, people that are paid by Canon are also allowed to post links to other companies products as well as even mention anyone else's brand. What a genius way to market your own product.
p f are you blind? Or am I missing something? The Sony camera I saw in the video was the a7riii, not the a7iii. The a7iii has a 1.2 crop in 4k 30p. Tony said it has no crop because he's using an entirely different camera for the comparison test LOL
Unbiased....LOL......That is the funniest thing I have read in the last month..... $5400 trip to Hawaii............. They are shills for Canon.... It's like the Leonard Cohen Song.... Everybody Knows, if he were still alive, he would write a new verse..... "Everybody knows that the Northrup's are shills for Canon"
I got a different message from this video than what you probably intended. What I learned is that cameras have gotten so good these days that really we compare their capabilities in more extreme specific scenarios than in the most practical scenarios. Obviously some will say that these are their typical scenarios but for the vast majority of others these limitations between the two cameras is a wash. It gives me great hope that I can continue using a 3 year old camera body for several more years since nothing that major has happened in the technology that necessitates the upgrade. Now if they make a camera that has an ultra sharp zoom lense that goes from 24-150mm f1.8 constant and is smaller than a coke can we will be in a new era of photography. Obviously this can’t be achieved by physics with current camera technology, but I believe one day there will be a way to do this and it will be a good day.
how much did Ford pay you to make this review?!?!
Hahaha, that made me laugh!
Chevy must have paid you well to laugh !! also am glad you did 😙
How much did Pontiac pay you to ask? Oh wait...
@@kevindiaz3459 oh snap!
In July, I switched from a Canon 5D3 (after shooting Canon DSLR's for 14+ years) to a Sony A7R3 with a Sigma MC11 adaptor. I shoot mostly wildlife, birds in flight and landscape and still use all of my Canon L glass. Don't have any Sony native-mount glass yet. I would say that the focusing is about 90% there using adapted Canon glass. It does struggle a bit from time to time. I can confidently say that after seeing what has been released by all the manufacturers in the last month so, I am still very happy (and relieved) that I made a good choice and would not consider a switch from the A7R3, at this point in time. P.S. I don't shoot any video.
I guess tony will never review the nikon z's huh?
TONY & CHELSEA ... if you still read comments here, could you reveal more about the "IS" vibration reduction system in the RF 28-70mm and RF 50mm ?? It's stated on the lens advertising on Amazon as notes from "the manufacturer" and in Canon's White Paper for each lens. Apparently there is an IS system between the sensor in -body and some special element in the lens. Is is possible to do a test with one of these lens vs. an EF adapted on the EOSR with it's IS switch off, or using an EF lens that's minus IS? Thanks.
The cheaper A7iii destoys R.
XuQi Feng I’ve been trying to decide between the two, whats your reason for this?
Which one is better for filmmakers, i am using canon 700d and it’s good in voice recording and video but my problem is in video quality at night and low light the video come very noisy and unclear, so what all of you suggest for me
Why was Nikon not invited to this party?
Because Nikon didn't invite them to Hawaii!
Im stuck between these two cameras right now. I don't have any prior lenses for either system. Used to have a nikon dslr but sold it and decided to change systems.
I hardly do any filming, just photography. Im not a complete beginner, but still got a lot to learn.
I photograph only for me personaly; our pets a lot, children, some landscape and want to start doing some street photography. Maybe, depending on which direction life takes, i would want to do pro photography.
What speaks to me with the canon is the canon colors (looks a lot better and that has big weight for me), the more ergonomic body, the backscreen. Im not loving that the rf lenses are so expensive, and that they are so restrictive against other brand making rf lenses. Of course there are adapters for ef and maybe they will open up for more brands. Really love sigma art lenses.
With the sony, they have so many lenses from different brands to choose from which is good, eye AF for pets, two card slots (i have never needed it though), longer batterylife. On the negative side, i dont like their backscreen and it seems less comfortable to use. Their colors are less pleasing to look at. I havent really done any editing of raw yet but I hope to learn.
I think im leaning more towards the canon.. which camera is best for the photography i want to do and the best camera/system for me to grow with?
ok im SOLD. A7III it is :)
KM Vlogs I’m sold, eos R it is!
I'm sold, Fuji XT3 it is!
I'm sold, Nikon Z7 it is!
I'm sold, none of these cameras will offer any more practical function than my current one.
I'm sold, Panasonic S1R it is!
Tony did you notice that in the Quick Video comparison you did between the two cameras the Sony III took twice as long to focus on your face and then on the puppet face. You said the III's video quality is better than the new Canon but it did not look significantly so to me, and the focusing could be a factor in video and then especially so in the stills which is really more important in many situations. BTW I learned from one of your recent podcasts how you had to morph your career when your corporate tech job was phased out. I have to say you seemed to have really found a GREAT NICHE with the TH-cam Channel and the work you and Chelsea are so great at!! WE are all so lucky to have you both to learn from!!
Doesn’t the Canon R automatically tethered to your smart phone and photos can be sent to cloud automatically. That’s about the best backup cause if your equipment gets stolen then you have a copy in the cloud that you can access anywhere. Or if you’re shooting a wedding, you can tethered photos to different devices for people to preview sound like a nice feature
Is your peak design lugs orange ,or is it just your color grading?
Orange
So fancy!
Soooooo.... the sony is better in EVERYTHING except flip out screen, deeper grip and better screen resolutions but still no clear winner??
Mhhh 🤔
At the end I suggest winners for different types of users.
Well aso better EVF, sharper images, better build quality
@@TonyAndChelsea I get your point and understand that as a Canon photographer there are reasons for staying with Canon but in the end it still feels like an 80% to 20% for Sony from my point of view but we don't need to have the same opinion on this...
Besides that i always love your reviews and I'm happy to see more competition in the market to drive the innovation 📸
How does the canon have sharper images when it has a full blown AA filter on it while the A7iii has a very subtle AA filter? Sharper images is a BS statement. You have mistaken the extra resolution of the 30mp sensor which only matter when you pixel peep or crop really, really tight.
According to this review... UNUSABLE/USELESS features: Canon 3 (Eye-AF, Silent shooting AF, Action AF). Sony: 0
As someone who's been wanting a mirrorless for quite some time, the choice has become pretty clear now that all major players has put out their cards. Sony is simply 2-3 years ahead of the competition at the moment.
Good review video. For Canon to even be in the running against Sony on their first full frame mirrorless camera says a lot. However, you forgot one key feature re: video in your head-to-head: color science. That comparison video from the Canon just looked way better than the Sony.
Yeah but if you have no raw, you can't post process the video as you want as the camera already does some kind of pixel interpretation. Plus it takes much more time. And still I've never seen as good skintones from sony as from canon yet (in video!).
Color science is not a big deal, you can get it done in post🙄
I will admit I don't care for the vlog style and seldom watch them. The flippy screen seems to be only for them.How hard can it be to keep your head in the shot when you are holding the camera not 2 feet away from you with a wide angle lens and why do you need to see yourself.Just seems like a waste to use either of these cameras for that purpose.I would never choose the inferior video camera just because it has a flippy screen.That's nuts.......Still love your reviews....Keep them coming.
How could the EOS R cost more than the A7III it just doesn't make sense?
Because flippy screen
Because Canon is greedy...
Tony, which one do you think is better for street photography?
Because that low fps rate of canon scares me a lot.
People that say Canon EOS R does not have sony's lens lineup: you do realize that in the box will be an Adapter that lets you adapt any canon EF/EF-S lens without the performance being worse? Also the adapter that allows you to insert filters is a huge deal, you can for example use an ND filter on a fisheye which wasn't possible before...
The only people using fisheyes are skateboarders lol
Remember, old Canon lenses is NOT on par with genuine mirrorless lenses, especially speaking about focus
fisheye lenses are also very common at underwater shooting
@@kennypoulsen9003 focus is gonna be on same level and not be worsen by adapter, maybe by camera yes, also there are plenty of sharp ef/ef-s lenses, as adapter has no optical element, quality will not be worse
The eos to r adapter is another $99, it isn't included in the box, at least not at B&H Photo.
Why is everyone hating on Tony for not spraying the champagne all over the Sony at the end? Come on guys, you know what's what.... half of the points go to each camera BUT, the Sony wins in all those that really matter - not hard to figure out. So if you're deciding on one of these two cameras you wouldn't really need to hear the conclusion at the end of this video. You should just thank him for providing such a concise and informative comparison. What have you done for the photography community today....?
This just happened couple days ago. Retailers (B&H, Amazon...Canonpricewatch are actually giving rebates or discounted prices for the EOS R/EOS R kit lens combo during the pre-order sale. This says a lot about the popularity of the EOS R. IMO, it's not a good sign for Canon for sure.
thats bullshit. thats something canon always did in the past.
For some reason, the retail EOS R kit is $1 more expensive than buying them separately...is this a mistake?
Jean N where are the rebates listed? I’ve checked www.bhphotovideo.com/c/promotion/12352/canon-rebates.html and www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/promotions-home?searchid=1521075389484 and do not see anything listed about the Canon EOS R. I have one pre-ordered from Best Buy but would cancel and reorder if that’s the o it way I could get it. But I can’t seem to find any mention of instant saving or mail in
+MikedieONE - You need to get your facts straight here before calling someone BS. The discount does not come from Canon. It was the retailers that have decided to do that.
+aceflibble - You and MikedieOne must shared the same brain. Canon do not offer discounted prices at introductory stage. It was the retailers that have decided to do that for a number of reasons. Overstock in one of them.
Hey Tony I experienced not being able to use 1080 60fps with efs lenses which kind of limits vloggers that want to use efs & diminishes the Canon claim that" If you don't want a crop just use 1080 at 60fps"
After returning to photography after a 15 year break I was blessed to try out both these cameras before deciding. The reviews I Read and watched all favoured the Sony, but I came to the conclusion that like other electronics most reviews and comments focused on raw the technology not the art. In my opinion, the Sony was simply a joyless to use, confusing menus, shocking ergonomics and a really awful reputation for after sales service should anything go wrong. The better performance by the Sony at the margins was not enough to negate these issues as the Canon R provided vastly superior user experience in the field.
I eventually went with the canon R. Was it the best technically? Probably not, but it’s ergonomics were superb, it’s wireless and Bluetooth made backups instantaneous, no need for another card, menus and ease of use were intuitive, the lens range was extensive ( even the couple of 15 y.o. Lenses I own worked) and I picked up a couple of second hand ones really cheap. Finally it was a joy to hold and use, like an old friend.
I would venture to say that it will outsell the A7iii due to Canon’s reputation and ecosystems, and they know their market better than the bloggers on TH-cam who often are ‘influencers’ who say what they are paid to say...and Sony are famous for this.
I mainly do senior pictures and maturity and baby photos. Which camera would you recommend ? Would be coming from a Nikon d700
The Sony has IBIS, better dynamic range, AF, FPS, video slomo, no 4K crop, cheaper sharper lenses ... and you can't call it between the two 🤔... oh it's the flip screen 😅
Don't forget the dual card slots in the Sony. That said, I sold my a7riii and downgraded to the eos r. I'm a lot happier with the eos r mainly due to the grip comfort and general ease of use. Picked up the RF 15-35, RF 50 and RF 85 and have been blown away with the IQ. It's a lot like the PC vs Apple comparison. Sony packs their cameras with top tier specs and options (PC) while Canon uses a more intuitive ecosystem approach (Apple). Can't really go wrong either way.
I am deciding between both as my first pro camera. I'm extremely biased to choose the Sony because it's the camera that made me start looking at taking photography seriously. But a lot of you are saying the Sony won everything. After watching some other comparison videos as well, I'll have to say the Canon has MUCH better colors, C-Log is better than S-Log, and the VIDEO AF on the Canon IS much better and faster and more consistent. However, the Sony has much better AF for eye tracking when taking photos. I also think the Canon is better for 1080 HD videos because of the color. For 4k if you don't have the right lense the crop is obviously a disadvantage. I still think I want the Sony more but I need to do more research and have yet to compare to Nikon or other popular mirrorless models yet.
Tony, another great review. I am ordering the EOS R, ( I have a lot of Canon lenses). I hope you do a review of the 4 RF lens in the near future.
I realized you had the Sony R on the table at the end, was that because thats all you had? I know they are practically the same body. But great review! Sony is dominating the mirrorless game. Cant wait to get mine!
Oh yeah I might have just used it for demonstration
It is a 3rd generation for Sony and 1st for Canon. Canon is not ready for prime time yet, clearly. But this is also why you don't buy the first year model of a car after major change. Nobody liked Sony A7. Canon 2nd generation (RR) is the one to wait for.
....but Canon has had FOUR YEARS to study what Sony has done with mirrorless, and TWO YEARS to come up with something better than this essentially tweaked version of the EOS 5d IV sensor (1.74 crop factor - WTH???) which took FOUR YEARS to be released after the 5d III!! No, what Canon did here is inexcusable
hang on a second I was promised something amazing by canon fanboys, granted the eosr is better then I expected but still not blowing my mind, now you're telling me i have to wait for the 2nd gen?
Kris W "Canon 2nd generation is the one to wait for." But then, won't the competition have also advanced accordingly? I'm not a sony user, but I'm sure that company is not going to just lay back with what they already have.
Nothing 1st generation is perfect. Granted, they (like Nikon) had a few years watching Sony and both 1st FF Nikon and Canon mirrorless are way better than 1st Sony but they can't bridge the gap completely. And the competition is always like that: the newest product from one brand is better than other things on the market until someone else introduces their new product. Both Nikon and Canon have features that competition doesn't, including Sony. Now think back a few years - what was your wish list for camera features? I bet all cameras have more today. We always want more, nothing wrong with it. It's a matter of setting your own list of important features and picking which camera is closest to it. Because many of us have a bunch of lenses, we will most likely stick to one brand. Just maybe not jumping on the first generation of mirrorless but waiting a bit more. I bet like Z6 and Z7, Canon will have their higher end mirrorless soon that will address some shortcomings of EOS R.
I guess that's the worst part. The competition has been out and it's not like the specs are hidden. They have the bar they have to beat and it seems like they didn't really make an overall better camera. Yeah, it's good in some and bad in some but, if you knew beforehand another person was gonna be wearing the same thing as you, why would you show up still wearing those clothes?
For photography and videography both which one to buy canon 80d , Sony a6300 , Sony a6500 please tell ????????
Video autofocus too me was quicker on the Canon in 1080 than the Sony.
yeah the Canon's video AF is overall a little better
I wonder why Sony's Eye-AF is only available as a custom button assignment, rather than just another Focus Area option which can be activated with either a half-press of the shutter release or an AF-ON button press.