I really liked this review and I've seen a lot of EOS R reviews on YT lately. It was concise and got right to what is important in shooting video. The only thing I disagree with is saying Sony is just about where Canon is color wise. I just used the a7III for a major brand shoot and while it is a great camera (esp. for the price), I still think Canon has an appreciable edge where color science is concerned. As a TH-camr I don't want to spend a ton of time with color correction and LUTs in post. The Canon is the only camera that shoots video you can use right off the card (as long as you light/expose properly). That's still a big deal to me. EDIT: Also, in terms of the UI, I'm sure Canon has a big advantage. Sony has a horrible UI - so many sub menus and overly complicated options. Canon is far more intuitive to navigate.
I agree on the difficult UI from Sony, I don’t have one, but I’ve learned that there are custom buttons that you can use to jump where you need to and for what shooting purpose, I guess that helps?
*I don't understand the comparison because you use the same footage you used on the comparison video for the Sony a 6400 vs. canon m50!!??? I feel a bit fooled* this is a *FAKE* review !
and when watching review of Potato Jet, the Sharpness look like the same, when use L lens or RF lens, , some Footage Canon is Sharper than Sony event when film with crop sensor when film at 4K , 10 18STM lens for crop compair with FF lens :(
One of the things not mentioned was the "full frame" effect. The Sonys background was properly blurred, while the Canon background was always in focus.
A significant plus for the EOS-R for pro shooters is that most of us have several thousand dollars worth of glass in our kit. That alone makes the EOS-R a very attractive option, but combined with the fully articulated screen means that Canon will sell a lot of these and the generation 2 version is likely to address issues that come up with generation 1, like the rolling shutter and hopefully the 4K crop and card slots. I am waiting for gen 2 but would have few concerns about buying the current model if I really needed to buy another body just now.
Seems the Sony A7iii is still the camera to beat, especially for the price. Ibis, 4K no crop (in 24/25p), 1080p 120fps, great auto focus, great battery, small and light etc. you said it, the Only thing the canon has as an advantage is the flip screen. Work around on the a7iii is to connect your phone to the camera and you can see what your filming, but it’s not ideal. I’m keen to see Sony bring the a7siii and hope it has a flip out screen
I think the main thing Canon has is a large fan base and also a better form factor. Also, in my opinion, Canon's form factor/ UI is much better. (But that's just a personal preference)
Matthew Huang yep, canon has a large loyal fan base. That I don’t get, how people are loyal to brands. I use whichever tool get the job done. I find the Sony UI better, cause it’s more customisable. I know canons UI is better out of the box but I prefer the control Sony gives me. Each to their own I guess
Most people are not vloggers but photographers. Thats why i like the the Sony with the screen it already has. No flip screen needed. Canon can have those.
Tenerio Kazuro that’s a commonly held theory that only vloggers use flip screens but it’s simply not the case. A flip screen is hugely beneficial for any photographers who shoot high, low, weird angles, and for video it’s useful if your shoot on a gimbal. Of course vlogging is the most obvious use but not the only use. If Sony added the flip screen to an A7iii they’d have the almost perfect camera. Maybe they’ll do this on the A7siii
Even in 2022 the Canon R remains a choice to get over R7 (priced similar). The advantage being full frame sensor better for low light and shallow depth. The 4K is cropped but using the Canon 10-18mm stm (crop lens) works well with it and image looks sharp in good light. Unfortunately going the R6 is another $1000 in Canada, so I can see why some people like me are considering the Canon R. Also the bit rate in HD 1080P goes up to 180mbps so great for grading if using just HD. The R and RP still remain popular cameras on a modest budget. Regarding IS, I think there is a Digital IS enabled in camera that can help along with the lens IS for the R in video mode. The color was a bit more accurate with C-Log grade over the Sony video. Granted the Sony has 4K FF while Canon does not, however I would likely use HD more vlogging.
I have a few important points that were skipped as to why I am actually considering the EOS R. First of all I have a ton of canon glass because I'm in video production and higher end cameras within reach use canon glass as the major standardized glass on ef mounts. Also there is a bigger market for buying used EF lenses and selling them easier since they work for many cameras. When you go to rent a c300 mark II or a 1dx mark II or a red or buy an ursa mini 4.6 etc all those times it pays to have canon lenses whether EF, L line or Cine line. And I tried using canon glass on sony's and it was super unreliable so that is not an option. Here I can use all my glass and buy more glass that will still work with my c300 mark II and red if I buy one and with my 1dx mark II. Also the skin tones where way smoother and more flattering on the canon in your video when you compared so that is a big difference. Also Sony batteries are terrible so that's annoying that they dont last much and Canon usually last much much more and I can use batteries from my other cameras. also sony's record 4:2:0 8-bit internal while canon records 4:2:2 8-bit internal so canon has much more color resolution. Sony does have a different advantage of hot shoe mic that records with no wires through the hotshoe which I use on an a6500. Also Sony menu's are a nightmare. Anyway that's what I would add. They all have about the same dynamic range (all I mean A7sII A7III 5D4 EOSR which are what I'm comparing when I buy for travel use and recommending for budget camera).
01:55 once you zoom in to 400% ok who does that? Imagine after a shot is done the DP saying to the editor can you please zoom in to 400% for these shots, I forgot to take close ups 😂
I feel like a good videographer could use either camera and make dope production. I'm personally getting the canon because I like canon and I'm more of a stills guy anyway. I do little to no videos. Plus with my photography style, I need that flip screen.
Do you need a burst rate of more than 2.2 FPS when shooting c-raw with AF? The 5D mkIV seems like a much better photo option if you want to stick with Canon. (And it can be found for the same price as the EOS R if you look around.)
Dasa Auto no, I don't. 5d is better in some areas, Eos r is better in some areas. Depends on your photography needs. Personally I'll take a flippy screen and full frame af coverage over burst rate, which I rarely use.
This is the most helpful and well put together comparison on TH-cam. Truly, the content, production quality, and style of your videos is my favourite. And you have a lot of expertise to make the content worthwhile. So thanks. It may come down to preference, but having seen the A7iii reviews from DPReview, Kinotika, and many many others, the colour science still looks lackluster. Matti Haapoja commented the same thing with respect to SLog 2. I would therefore not upgrade from the M50 yet to either EOS R or A7iii. Will wait for the EOS R Pro or A7siii.
Good choice and great feedback! Thanks Paul for being such a fan. It really means a lot. M50 is a killer deal and the EOS R doesn’t seem to be worth the $1600 extra
The good thing about Sony is, you can customize pp, if you find the right one then the color is not that bad. Don’t hear too much info from TH-camr, they don’t put the same amount time into there camera, they normally have a few cameras and when the new one come, like Mattie, canon send a free one to him, he have to kiss some canon ass.
I have a few pp settings, some of them are on the same level as canon colors. Take a few min, that’s all. I don’t see why people make so big deal about it.
X-T3 plus the new Atomos V is still cheaper than the EOS R (and you get nice bonus like prores/dnx codecs, awesome tools to expose and focus better, unlimited record time and cheap data in the long run using SSDs). Please make a review of the X-T3! edit: the X-T3 have less crop in 4k too, even being a apsc system, lol
So overall Sony is much better...no crop in 4k, 120fps in full hd..what else do you want from sony. I dont think color science is a big issue for who know how to grade the footage. Why people keep on saying sony color science is not that good. It is just a myth. I am not saying Canon is bad but it is way still behind than Sony. For video Sony has killed it...much sharper.
RahulMakhijaOfficial You really are brainwashed. We just saw a side-by-side colour comparison and the Sony was terrible! Then the EOSHD profile was used to attempt to copy the Canon colour and it was weird. Really muted like a dirty film over the image begging for haze removal and a curves adjustment. You also miss the point. You shoot side-by-side with a Canon guy. His colour looks great SOOC and you have to stuff around trying to get good colour. Stop being biased. You can tout specs and features all you like but don't BS about IQ.
vlogers who are also professional videographers surprisingly appear to plug the mic directly into the camera instead of using a preamp designed to mount under the dslr. Is the bit of extra weight not worth the improved sound, especially whenever a tripod is in use?
For the crop in Canon R, just use EFS lenses and you will have no noticeable crop at all between still pictures and videos. The EFS 10-18 lens you used is a good example of that.
Given that the crop is a must for the 4k video, why to pay for the extra glass.... Now we can go back to the quality of picture extracted from the lens, since the crop is highly affecting Vloggers (due to the length limit of their hands) and based on the 30M sensor (6720 x 4480), I do not see any major diffrence between EF-S 10-18 for example and the cropped EF 11-24 in providing 4K image (3840x2160) for this particular use that justify the 10X price diffrence.
Based on these results, I think the sony has better functionality but the canon has slightly nicer colours. I guess there is the work around. The 4K zoom on the canon seems a bit silly also.
Canon looks better. What about external recording. Eos R with 10bit will be even better. In the end both cameras are great, it's what specs need more for your work.
I agree, apart from the flippy screen, the sony wins. BUT I have noticed that YTers (who are capable) appear to get a lot of content out of focus when moving around, and of course you can’t see it in real time. Then you have to re shoot, which is not really possible in some cases and why YTers upload out of focus content. Unless someone can convince me the focus is solid on the Sony, I am not going there.
Why didn't you use the Canon 16-35 lens as you did on the Sony for vlogging? You used a cheap Canon 10-18 lens instead of the Canon 16-35mm. That was not a fair comparison. Lenses matter. Canon makes a 4L and a 2.8L 16-35 which would have matched up against the Sony as opposed to the cheap quality 10-18mm lens which is not the average vlogger would use with the EOS R. I have the ELOS R and the 16-35mm and always vlog with it in 4K. I get far better results than you did with the inferior 10-18 lens.
The problem is that if u put the crop sensor lens onto the canon it diminishes the quality too. So I am not sure if you are getting a true 4k experience even if it is cropped. So in a way the crop is definitely not usable in a 4k factor either.
Sony setup seems to be more shaky even with ibis + lens f4 IS. Does eos r have movie digital IS? I still prefer canon due to its color science. I gave up on eoshd and too much color correcting in post with sony
I have been using A7II for video and get very dissapointed regarding dust on the sensor. The Canon Eos R has a special screen to protect against dust when you exchange the lens, the Sony has not. Eos R has also a very nice screen at the top of the body which is very good in sunlight, the Sony has not. I also like the flip out screen at Canon Eos R much better than the Sony.
Technology wise I think the sony blows canon away but the reason why I stuck with my 5d mark iv and sold my a7r3 is at 5:50. (If you didn't notice) the shirt color has a green tint even after grading. You're going to be spending a lot of time in post trying to fix things which will bog down your process. So even though one camera may seem better in all areas, I rather have a camera that just works and suits my workflow. I think thats how everyone should be comparing which camera is the best and not just focusing so much on the specs.
If the only major arguments you have against the EOS R are a lack of IBIS and a 4K crop you need to check your priorities. If you shoot Canon it’s just a fact of life and you learn how to get the same results in a different way. Both are great cameras in their own unique way and it’s not a matter of which is better.
I found the eos r to be flat, magenta leaning and soft. The colors on the Sony are easily fixable with a small amount of work in Resolve. This is not a good showing by Canon. We know they can do considerably better. If they keep trying to protect their C line they're just going to keep opening the door wider and wider to companies like Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, and now the Pocket 4k.
trevorpinnocky The CanonColorScience falsehood has been baked into so many people’s heads it’s probably hopeless. (Plus, no one wants to learn something like resolve. Or use a LUT, or read a book on color science.) The biggest deal in this video revolved around a flip out selfie screen. Crazy. BTW, no full frame camera is going to make for an optimal blogging camera. That idea is marketing BS run absolutely bonkers! Such a waste of money and time to buy into full frame- for any reason- unless you explicitly know why. Decent full frame glass is so expensive no one (watching this video anyway) will ever own any lens except the kit 24-105mm and maybe that chintzy plastic fantastic f/4.5-5.6 10-18mm crop zoom. 🤨😣🙈
Kinotika I was mainly talking about the EOSHD "Canon" color profile, honestly it makes the image look worse! I find the default Sony profiles work way better. In fact I've been able to match my C200 pretty spot on. I can't wait to see what they do with the A7SIII.
@@mondobytes Try cine 2 or cine 4 with color set to cinema or pro for color :) Also make sure NOT to use Sony glass. If you use sigma glass then the colors somehow look better and more natural.
You sir! gets a thumbs up. I do too. We dont need super sharp vids, and if you have to pay for a canon like camera profile to be close to canon, why not just get canon?
I wanted to convince myself that Sony was doable. But the IBIS vs canon IS looks obviously worse, as well as the colors are shockingly bad. The Sony just looks really unflattering.
When you put the two videos side by side to compare footage color graded. Honestly, I like the Sony more. First, look at the details of the person face. It has so much details on the Sony while it seems soft on the Canon side. Beside, you can see that the Canon lack depth of field, were they shot on same aperture ?
Sometimes I feel that people give too much value to flipout screens. The money you save with the A7III you can buy a external monitor. Conclusion was spot on, but the A7III requires less after work, the canon requires too much corrections to be equivalent to the a7III. Sony downsides: _ color -> correct in post _ rolling shutter -> correct in post not bad IS -> correct in post Canon downsides: _ less sharp -> sharpen _ 4k crop -> cannot correct, buy another lens _ more rolling shutter -> correct in post _ no IS -> correct in post _ unusable 120p -> just don't use it xD
Hä????? I don't understand the comparison because you use the same footage you used on the comparison video for the Sony a 6400 vs. canon m50!!??? I feel a bit fooled
Could be wrong, but when you turn on in-body stabilization, the lens stabilization is deactivated. If it wasn't you'd have some funky stabilization feedback that would look shitty. The stabilization is not compounded when you have an in-body stabilizer + lens stabilizer.
And if you CAN do both, you probably shouldn't.. neither stabilizers are designed to work that way. Especially if you are using a Non-Sony Lens. That might actually be why your Sony looks worse than your Canon footage in terms of IS.
All full frame ibis I've seen is really only good for photos or slow movements. But you can just use warp stabilizer for slow movements (unless there is high rolling shutter)
I don't know maybe I'm dumb and blind, but the log on the R looks much better, and the video quality of you walking around in 4k also looks much better on the R (aren't those 2 very important things for someone who shoots video?), didn't see any difference in stabilization or the rolling shutter between the 2 in your walking segment. The lack of 120fps (720 is meaningless nowdays) and with no auto focus in that mode is shameful on the R.
it is rather strange that you didn't adress low light... this is very bias towards Canon... by the way, the fact that the A7 III have IBIS is that you can use non-stabilized lenses....
@@myersilles8365 by the way, you and your Bias buttshould watch this video :) (well, there are people that prefer worst, and more expensive): th-cam.com/video/3mUGuDXOTcA/w-d-xo.html
I'm confused as to why Potato Jet and Armando Ferrerra's video comparison of these cameras is the opposite in that the EOS-R is sharper than the A7III, especially in 1080P. Max Yuryev shows the A7III to be MUCH sharper, but here, it's sort of close. I don't get the differing results everywhere.
Sony still appeared to have color issue on your video....just....not natural, like you said. Did you color grade it "wrongly"? Or, Sony's footages just too hard to grade them natural-looking? In fact, this is always my major concern on Sony cameras, although everyone saying this 3rd generation has massive improvement on color science. I wish to see a more detail video-AF comparison between the two. So you think Sony's AF is on par with the Canon now? Really?
If you are into vlogging then there are many vlogging cameras available. These are for professional photographers and videographers. I think first you have to decide whether you vlog or be a professional photographer/ videographer. Professional cameras don't have articulating screens so far. Because professionals don't rely on technology they rely on thir talent.
Please fix this: Peter McKinnon and Casey Neistat barely use an 1DX. Mckinnon does B-Rolls mostly with the 1DX due to the 120fps. The flip display simply equals Neistat. He IS the flipscreen man, with the 6d mkII all the way. The point of the flipscreen is that you immediately know if you ruined the record or not. May save you quite some time.
So you use a zoom lens for canon and prime for Sony good job and the mb ps is better for canon that why you should use same lenses same apreacher for both
Please correct me if I am wrong. You say both camera are focusing perfectly. In the test footage which starts on 01:17, Sony a7 can't focus on the face accurately along test. Never.
Crazy how much easier c log is to grade than s log. Fortunately I’m pretty over the shooting/grading learning curve for s log, and the footage can easily look the same as c log once you learn it’s quirks. Were you using the log flavor of eos pro hd??
a7riii is much higher resolution, higher frame rate, no crop factor. It's no contest. a7riii is on par with the 1 dx mk ii. canon is pathetic with non functional eye detection, no dual card, no 120 fps, no full frame 4k. eos r can barely even touch the a7ii
@@dustovshio Hehehe The EOS 1DXMkII is the DSLR FF flag ship of Canon, it supossed to pair with Sony a9 non the a7RIII. But for me Canon is same as you say, I leave Canon some years ago because of that reasons! And now with the ridiculous EOS RP please!
When he is comparing color science of both cameras and bragging about how good Canon is, I'm just seeing much better colors on the right side, Sony side, is it only me?
Why is it that the most videos show the Canon is much sharper at 1080p than the A7's. And at 4K, some (like Max Yurev) show SOFT EOSR 4K, but Potato Jet shows consistently that the EOS-R is sharper at 4K (or the same) vs the A7III.
EOS R may not be the best at everything or any one thing, but canon's eco-system (lenses, reliability, support, flash systems, resale, etc.) is by far the best. Further, no full frame camera will ever have a flip screen other than Canon, due to canon's patent on this.
Am I the only one that thought the handheld stabilization test looked a lot better on the Canon? Compared side by side, I thought the Sony one looked super shaky on the left and right of the image, more so than the Canon. I also have a Sony a7iii and not a Canon EOS R, and wouldn't trade for all the other reasons why Sony is better, but the lens IS alone on that Canon looked hella smooth. I wonder if part of it is a weight thing, and the Sony is more bumpy in the wield itself. I know I still have a hard time with the ergonomics of it, having come from shooting on Canon DSLRs before switching.
Unbiased review Dave, pointing out the good points and also the bad. Hope the upcoming firmware update can help with the rolling shutter as it is quite bad just like the M50, but the IS on the lens works well, I heard just don't use the Enhanced Digital IS, just the standard digital IS as it works much better
The enhanced is supposed to only be used when not moving. It tries to keep the subject in the center so if you are just standing there it actually can work well.
Ya we didn’t use the digital IS mode. Wouldn’t recommend it. The IS in the 24-105 is pretty dang good. 4K rolling shutter is really the only big issue with it to me.
Just like Sony did with their a6300, the severe rolling shutter is fully designed in to protect higher end cameras. It’s one of the most intentionally engineered “feature” to keep Pros away. And it’s unique to the physical sensor. No firmware update can fix RS sadly. Canon simply doesn’t want anyone who takes video seriously to buy this camera. They even admit it. I don’t know why people smash their head against a wall for no reason. Fuji, Panasonic, Sony- they all make really good cameras with top notch video features (both inexpensive and expensive- Canon won’t budge until you hand over $7,350 for a C200).
Dasa Auto I thought rolling shutter is mainly caused by the refresh rate or speed the sensor is read @. So maybe the refresh rate can be increased without to much side effects
Umm, you showed different parts of the frame for the 1080p test (at around ~1:55). You showed a window on the left that specifically has a ton of moire on the canon shot, but didn't show that window on the Sony shot. Why not just show the same part of the frame? Both of them show moire on the window that is shared between the 2 shots. On the shared window the moire is VERY SLIGHTLY more apparent on the Canon, but this could be due to the white balance on the Canon not being as yellow, and the moire showing up as a yellow tint which could be more hidden on the more yellow Sony shot. You could show the window on the far right and then say the Canon is way better than the Sony with moire, since moire is REALLY bad on that window with the Sony and barely present with the Canon. Especially considering the window on the right is WAY larger in the frame. The issue with this particular shot is that any moire pattern is going to be subject to frequency and in this particular shot the window pattern shown in the Canon shot has a frequency that doesn't work well with Canon's anti-aliasing implementation. Again, look at the window on the far right and THAT window doesn't work with Sony's anti-aliasing implementation. I think that Canon actually has STRONGER anti-aliasing filters, which is why you don't see the aliasing much until the pattern becomes VERY tiny in the 3rd window. The Canon's anti-aliasing seems more useful (the stuff closer to the camera aliases less), but we'd need more examples from different angles and distances to really tell. The comparison, as far as moire, is bogus. Enjoyed the rest of the video though!
You're trying to say that sony's 8bit, 4:2, 100mbps output is far superior to canon's 10bit, 4:2:2, 480mbps output. Not to mention about the dual pixel AF, C-Log and built in ND filter in it's adapter. So much irony in a single vid.
yes, nice cameras, but how about 4k50/60 or 10bit internal? All log profiles are useless without 10bit colors. So what we have here are two pretty good vloging cameras and nothing more. For serious work in this price range go for gh5s, bmpc or xt3.
I know I am three years late but 10bit is only useless in lowlight situation specially if you are doing run&gun like Weddings, sony always win in that department.
Sorry for silly question but I recently switched to Sony A7III from 5dMK3 and noticed that even after just playing with menus, taking few photos etc it's getting tiny bit warmer, especially bottom part of the body and when taking out the sd card it's also warm. Is it normal for Sony?
While your comparison of LOG color may be true between these cameras, Canon looks SO much better straight out of camera. You must grade Sony footage to make it look good, no way around it.
it’s not simply the color, Sony footage has issue with luminance, graded or not - look at the rough highlight rolloffs on the face. And it the same issue with raw images in my experience but, of course, it is far more problematic for video. Also, it seems that the 4k footage was done using ef-s 10-18 lens on 5div which will never give a sufficiently sharp 4k footage compared to something like 24mm f1.4. As far 1080p, I am not quite certain that Sony has a lot more detail, it’s just more sharpened out of the box which kinda makes it look more digital than cinematic. If you are using standard profile on Canon, you must dial contrast all the way down but the best picture style for video is Canon’s studio portrait - available to dowload for free from Canon’s website. It has more dynamic range than any other built-in profile and does not require any grading (make sure contrast is at least half way down). The correct sharpening setting for Canon video is 3. 50% unsharp mask can be added in post for crisp look. And most important, Canon’s IPB codec is much better than ALL-I because it has much less aliasing/artifacts.
Can you frame a Sony? Because if you can the Sony machinery is stellar. However, I prefer nice looking actual photos and video and with that Canon has rocked for ages. I still go back to photos I took 10 years ago with a Canon and they look like pro photos. If you look at the Canon video it looks like it came right off a movie set. I mean, if you love tech specs go with the Sony. If you like beautiful photos and video, I guess I better stick with Canon. Its a good thing Sony A7iii was totally back ordered the whole summer because I think I prefer the Canon.
One other thing. The AF in Canon also seems to have a natural focus. It doesn't hunt it moves like the wind as if it were on a dolly. Has anyone done a "Move like the Wind on a Dolly Tech Spec" yet? Oh, that's right there isn't one.
Can you compare AF of both cameras but in making photo ? There is a lot of information about eye tracking, making videos etc.... which shows that Sony is the best of the best.... but there is almost no tests of AF during making photos...
I really liked this review and I've seen a lot of EOS R reviews on YT lately. It was concise and got right to what is important in shooting video. The only thing I disagree with is saying Sony is just about where Canon is color wise. I just used the a7III for a major brand shoot and while it is a great camera (esp. for the price), I still think Canon has an appreciable edge where color science is concerned. As a TH-camr I don't want to spend a ton of time with color correction and LUTs in post. The Canon is the only camera that shoots video you can use right off the card (as long as you light/expose properly). That's still a big deal to me.
EDIT: Also, in terms of the UI, I'm sure Canon has a big advantage. Sony has a horrible UI - so many sub menus and overly complicated options. Canon is far more intuitive to navigate.
I agree on the difficult UI from Sony, I don’t have one, but I’ve learned that there are custom buttons that you can use to jump where you need to and for what shooting purpose, I guess that helps?
*I don't understand the comparison because you use the same footage you used on the comparison video for the Sony a 6400 vs. canon m50!!??? I feel a bit fooled*
this is a *FAKE* review !
and when watching review of Potato Jet, the Sharpness look like the same, when use L lens or RF lens, , some Footage Canon is Sharper than Sony event when film with crop sensor when film at 4K , 10 18STM lens for crop compair with FF lens :(
What footage exactly did he reuse? I'm not seeing it and I've watched both videos.
One of the things not mentioned was the "full frame" effect. The Sonys background was properly blurred, while the Canon background was always in focus.
Yup. Huge difference there and need fast glass for 4k
Are you comparing canon with 10-18 mm STM lens and G master lens? Really?
yes he is
the f4 is a zeiss
That's pretty stupid
yas! tupid video!!!!!!
All I want to know about is the quality of the 10 bit out, but no TH-camr has mentioned it.
BRO U ARE USING A PLASTIC LENS ON A BODY 2K AND IN THE SONY U PUT A G MASTER.
USE YOUR 10-22 IN A ARRI AND COMPARE WITH THE SONY XD
Hes a sony ass licker
Canon crap factor, I mean crop factor
XD you are so creative, probably this comment are better than your pictures.
in my point of view, the colors of the Canon are much better.
Yes! The Sony looks blotchy and unrealistic, but don't tell the Sony fanboys that 😁
A significant plus for the EOS-R for pro shooters is that most of us have several thousand dollars worth of glass in our kit. That alone makes the EOS-R a very attractive option, but combined with the fully articulated screen means that Canon will sell a lot of these and the generation 2 version is likely to address issues that come up with generation 1, like the rolling shutter and hopefully the 4K crop and card slots. I am waiting for gen 2 but would have few concerns about buying the current model if I really needed to buy another body just now.
Seems the Sony A7iii is still the camera to beat, especially for the price. Ibis, 4K no crop (in 24/25p), 1080p 120fps, great auto focus, great battery, small and light etc. you said it, the Only thing the canon has as an advantage is the flip screen. Work around on the a7iii is to connect your phone to the camera and you can see what your filming, but it’s not ideal. I’m keen to see Sony bring the a7siii and hope it has a flip out screen
I think the main thing Canon has is a large fan base and also a better form factor. Also, in my opinion, Canon's form factor/ UI is much better. (But that's just a personal preference)
Matthew Huang yep, canon has a large loyal fan base. That I don’t get, how people are loyal to brands. I use whichever tool get the job done.
I find the Sony UI better, cause it’s more customisable. I know canons UI is better out of the box but I prefer the control Sony gives me. Each to their own I guess
My friend actually uses his old phone and puts it on the hotshoe mount to see himself whenever he turns the camera to himself
Most people are not vloggers but photographers. Thats why i like the the Sony with the screen it already has. No flip screen needed. Canon can have those.
Tenerio Kazuro that’s a commonly held theory that only vloggers use flip screens but it’s simply not the case. A flip screen is hugely beneficial for any photographers who shoot high, low, weird angles, and for video it’s useful if your shoot on a gimbal. Of course vlogging is the most obvious use but not the only use. If Sony added the flip screen to an A7iii they’d have the almost perfect camera. Maybe they’ll do this on the A7siii
the canon is actually stabilized better than the sony (it looks that way, not scientifically)
It is.
Even in 2022 the Canon R remains a choice to get over R7 (priced similar). The advantage being full frame sensor better for low light and shallow depth. The 4K is cropped but using the Canon 10-18mm stm (crop lens) works well with it and image looks sharp in good light. Unfortunately going the R6 is another $1000 in Canada, so I can see why some people like me are considering the Canon R. Also the bit rate in HD 1080P goes up to 180mbps so great for grading if using just HD. The R and RP still remain popular cameras on a modest budget. Regarding IS, I think there is a Digital IS enabled in camera that can help along with the lens IS for the R in video mode. The color was a bit more accurate with C-Log grade over the Sony video. Granted the Sony has 4K FF while Canon does not, however I would likely use HD more vlogging.
totally agree!
Probably already know the answer but I would love to see how the EOS R holds up to the Sony a7iii in low light.
Good he didn't show that because Canon sucks in low light compared to Sony A7III.
@@Tenerio If you know how to use, the R doesn´t suck
The R has it´s limitations. In low light is mandatory to use a good 1.4 lens like the 24mm 1.4 and use C-LOG.
You just made a fool out of your subscriber's showing the M50 footage fake review
I have a few important points that were skipped as to why I am actually considering the EOS R. First of all I have a ton of canon glass because I'm in video production and higher end cameras within reach use canon glass as the major standardized glass on ef mounts. Also there is a bigger market for buying used EF lenses and selling them easier since they work for many cameras. When you go to rent a c300 mark II or a 1dx mark II or a red or buy an ursa mini 4.6 etc all those times it pays to have canon lenses whether EF, L line or Cine line. And I tried using canon glass on sony's and it was super unreliable so that is not an option. Here I can use all my glass and buy more glass that will still work with my c300 mark II and red if I buy one and with my 1dx mark II. Also the skin tones where way smoother and more flattering on the canon in your video when you compared so that is a big difference. Also Sony batteries are terrible so that's annoying that they dont last much and Canon usually last much much more and I can use batteries from my other cameras. also sony's record 4:2:0 8-bit internal while canon records 4:2:2 8-bit internal so canon has much more color resolution. Sony does have a different advantage of hot shoe mic that records with no wires through the hotshoe which I use on an a6500. Also Sony menu's are a nightmare. Anyway that's what I would add. They all have about the same dynamic range (all I mean A7sII A7III 5D4 EOSR which are what I'm comparing when I buy for travel use and recommending for budget camera).
01:55 once you zoom in to 400% ok who does that? Imagine after a shot is done the DP saying to the editor can you please zoom in to 400% for these shots, I forgot to take close ups 😂
I feel like a good videographer could use either camera and make dope production. I'm personally getting the canon because I like canon and I'm more of a stills guy anyway. I do little to no videos. Plus with my photography style, I need that flip screen.
Yeah for stills it's much closer. For video, the Sony has the pretty obvious advantage in most areas.
Do you need a burst rate of more than 2.2 FPS when shooting c-raw with AF? The 5D mkIV seems like a much better photo option if you want to stick with Canon. (And it can be found for the same price as the EOS R if you look around.)
Dasa Auto no, I don't. 5d is better in some areas, Eos r is better in some areas. Depends on your photography needs. Personally I'll take a flippy screen and full frame af coverage over burst rate, which I rarely use.
@@briefcasemanx same
@@dasaauto2024 one you photograph with a flip screen, you just can't go back. I I've never used the burst picture mode.
This is the most helpful and well put together comparison on TH-cam. Truly, the content, production quality, and style of your videos is my favourite. And you have a lot of expertise to make the content worthwhile. So thanks.
It may come down to preference, but having seen the A7iii reviews from DPReview, Kinotika, and many many others, the colour science still looks lackluster. Matti Haapoja commented the same thing with respect to SLog 2.
I would therefore not upgrade from the M50 yet to either EOS R or A7iii. Will wait for the EOS R Pro or A7siii.
Good choice and great feedback! Thanks Paul for being such a fan. It really means a lot. M50 is a killer deal and the EOS R doesn’t seem to be worth the $1600 extra
i think the slog 2 footage is not exposed properly.if you expose it to +2 and grade using proper luts,it looks way better
Yep same here! I’m using the 80D right now and just waiting for canon to release the pro version.
The good thing about Sony is, you can customize pp, if you find the right one then the color is not that bad. Don’t hear too much info from TH-camr, they don’t put the same amount time into there camera, they normally have a few cameras and when the new one come, like Mattie, canon send a free one to him, he have to kiss some canon ass.
I have a few pp settings, some of them are on the same level as canon colors. Take a few min, that’s all. I don’t see why people make so big deal about it.
X-T3 plus the new Atomos V is still cheaper than the EOS R (and you get nice bonus like prores/dnx codecs, awesome tools to expose and focus better, unlimited record time and cheap data in the long run using SSDs). Please make a review of the X-T3!
edit: the X-T3 have less crop in 4k too, even being a apsc system, lol
baubergô 100% - the X-T3 with the ninja V is my preferred set up. I’d like to see the canon 10bit ... I’m sure it’s nice.
I’d love to see more X-T3 content on this channel
Are you sure you can record unlimited? I'm pretty sure it's the same 30 min Limit, even with the recorder!!!
@@MVargabass yes, and this isn't exclusively for x-t3
Matej Varga The camera isn’t going to cut the HDMI signal out at 29:59 arbitrarily...
So overall Sony is much better...no crop in 4k, 120fps in full hd..what else do you want from sony.
I dont think color science is a big issue for who know how to grade the footage. Why people keep on saying sony color science is not that good. It is just a myth.
I am not saying Canon is bad but it is way still behind than Sony.
For video Sony has killed it...much sharper.
RahulMakhijaOfficial You really are brainwashed. We just saw a side-by-side colour comparison and the Sony was terrible! Then the EOSHD profile was used to attempt to copy the Canon colour and it was weird. Really muted like a dirty film over the image begging for haze removal and a curves adjustment.
You also miss the point. You shoot side-by-side with a Canon guy. His colour looks great SOOC and you have to stuff around trying to get good colour. Stop being biased. You can tout specs and features all you like but don't BS about IQ.
Agreed
cooloox really? Sony is terrible ? 😂 first of all you should start learning about color grading and then talk!
@@cooloox check my music videos on my channel shot on sony a7s2.
Yes you can color grade. But Sony takes longer time and more work for color grading.
Clog is easier to grade than slog2.
Kai Liu Visual HLG works better :) you get dynamic range with good colors :)
How come you didn’t evaluate the effectiveness of the digital IS on the Canon? Without mechanical IBIS it becomes an important criterion.
vlogers who are also professional videographers surprisingly appear to plug the mic directly into the camera instead of using a preamp designed to mount under the dslr. Is the bit of extra weight not worth the improved sound, especially whenever a tripod is in use?
Sony preamps are good enough for plugging a mic directly, at least if you're doing outdoor vlogging.
What I like about your review is that you didn't focus in feelings. When you came upon 3 "I feel" per minute in a review is a clear warning.
For the crop in Canon R, just use EFS lenses and you will have no noticeable crop at all between still pictures and videos. The EFS 10-18 lens you used is a good example of that.
Wadih Haddad so why buy a full frame camera if your going to use Crop sensor lenses on it? 🤦🏽♂️
Given that the crop is a must for the 4k video, why to pay for the extra glass.... Now we can go back to the quality of picture extracted from the lens, since the crop is highly affecting Vloggers (due to the length limit of their hands) and based on the 30M sensor (6720 x 4480), I do not see any major diffrence between EF-S 10-18 for example and the cropped EF 11-24 in providing 4K image (3840x2160) for this particular use that justify the 10X price diffrence.
Based on these results, I think the sony has better functionality but the canon has slightly nicer colours. I guess there is the work around. The 4K zoom on the canon seems a bit silly also.
Canon looks better. What about external recording. Eos R with 10bit will be even better. In the end both cameras are great, it's what specs need more for your work.
I can only see people using the external recording for a second angle in an interview, the rolling shutter is too high for movements
Who will zoom to 400%🤔, wow. If you need to do such, get a specialized camera for film making. People are getting out of hand with theses reviews.
Your model reminds me of a Beautiful Jesus :)
Awww, thanks 😊
Connor McCaskill you look like the guy from the walking dead. I even think his name is Jesus
I agree, apart from the flippy screen, the sony wins. BUT I have noticed that YTers (who are capable) appear to get a lot of content out of focus when moving around, and of course you can’t see it in real time. Then you have to re shoot, which is not really possible in some cases and why YTers upload out of focus content. Unless someone can convince me the focus is solid on the Sony, I am not going there.
Why didn't you use the Canon 16-35 lens as you did on the Sony for vlogging? You used a cheap Canon 10-18 lens instead of the Canon 16-35mm. That was not a fair comparison. Lenses matter. Canon makes a 4L and a 2.8L 16-35 which would have matched up against the Sony as opposed to the cheap quality 10-18mm lens which is not the average vlogger would use with the EOS R. I have the ELOS R and the 16-35mm and always vlog with it in 4K. I get far better results than you did with the inferior 10-18 lens.
John Armwood i think he wanted to show the workaround to shoot with the eos in 4K and don’t have that big crop :).
is it me or the canon Eos R look more professional?
It does.
Wait, did you say you lose autofocus on the A7III when a monitor is plugged in?
The problem is that if u put the crop sensor lens onto the canon it diminishes the quality too. So I am not sure if you are getting a true 4k experience even if it is cropped. So in a way the crop is definitely not usable in a 4k factor either.
Sony setup seems to be more shaky even with ibis + lens f4 IS. Does eos r have movie digital IS? I still prefer canon due to its color science. I gave up on eoshd and too much color correcting in post with sony
And im suprised with ur conclusion that sony has sharper 1080 than canon.
I have been using A7II for video and get very dissapointed regarding dust on the sensor. The Canon Eos R has a special screen to protect against dust when you exchange the lens, the Sony has not.
Eos R has also a very nice screen at the top of the body which is very good in sunlight, the Sony has not. I also like the flip out screen at Canon Eos R much better than the Sony.
True indeed! Get a sensor cleaning kit for the Sony and you’re in business
Technology wise I think the sony blows canon away but the reason why I stuck with my 5d mark iv and sold my a7r3 is at 5:50. (If you didn't notice) the shirt color has a green tint even after grading. You're going to be spending a lot of time in post trying to fix things which will bog down your process.
So even though one camera may seem better in all areas, I rather have a camera that just works and suits my workflow. I think thats how everyone should be comparing which camera is the best and not just focusing so much on the specs.
If the only major arguments you have against the EOS R are a lack of IBIS and a 4K crop you need to check your priorities. If you shoot Canon it’s just a fact of life and you learn how to get the same results in a different way. Both are great cameras in their own unique way and it’s not a matter of which is better.
I found the eos r to be flat, magenta leaning and soft. The colors on the Sony are easily fixable with a small amount of work in Resolve. This is not a good showing by Canon. We know they can do considerably better. If they keep trying to protect their C line they're just going to keep opening the door wider and wider to companies like Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, and now the Pocket 4k.
trevorpinnocky The CanonColorScience falsehood has been baked into so many people’s heads it’s probably hopeless. (Plus, no one wants to learn something like resolve. Or use a LUT, or read a book on color science.) The biggest deal in this video revolved around a flip out selfie screen. Crazy. BTW, no full frame camera is going to make for an optimal blogging camera. That idea is marketing BS run absolutely bonkers! Such a waste of money and time to buy into full frame- for any reason- unless you explicitly know why. Decent full frame glass is so expensive no one (watching this video anyway) will ever own any lens except the kit 24-105mm and maybe that chintzy plastic fantastic f/4.5-5.6 10-18mm crop zoom. 🤨😣🙈
The EOSHD Color looks terrible! Ironic it's supposed to be like "Canon" and looks nothing like it., great video man!
Totally. I can’t deny, the colors on Sony have certainly improved since the original a7, but canon is in a league of their own!
Kinotika I was mainly talking about the EOSHD "Canon" color profile, honestly it makes the image look worse! I find the default Sony profiles work way better. In fact I've been able to match my C200 pretty spot on. I can't wait to see what they do with the A7SIII.
@@mondobytes Try cine 2 or cine 4 with color set to cinema or pro for color :) Also make sure NOT to use Sony glass. If you use sigma glass then the colors somehow look better and more natural.
@@connormccaskill Try cine 2 with color set to cinema or pro for color :)
If EOS-R had 120p I would buy it. Only serious thing missing in my opinion.
To be perfectly honest I liked the EOS R better for 24p. Please don't crucify me, it is just my opinion.
You sir! gets a thumbs up. I do too. We dont need super sharp vids, and if you have to pay for a canon like camera profile to be close to canon, why not just get canon?
Well said
Just get the M50 and good glass
@@MariNate1016 lol. Totally agree, that is actually what I am doing.
@@MariNate1016 I still like the eos R over the A7iii though...though only really for 24p.
I wanted to convince myself that Sony was doable. But the IBIS vs canon IS looks obviously worse, as well as the colors are shockingly bad. The Sony just looks really unflattering.
It’s up to you! I personally think the new Nikon is pretty dope too
When you put the two videos side by side to compare footage color graded. Honestly, I like the Sony more. First, look at the details of the person face. It has so much details on the Sony while it seems soft on the Canon side. Beside, you can see that the Canon lack depth of field, were they shot on same aperture ?
How much Sony pay to you for this video LOL????
Avishek Ghosh haha
It's 2020 now i predict he will be moving to canon lol..CAPTION Why I'm leaving sony haha
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Sometimes I feel that people give too much value to flipout screens. The money you save with the A7III you can buy a external monitor. Conclusion was spot on, but the A7III requires less after work, the canon requires too much corrections to be equivalent to the a7III.
Sony downsides:
_ color -> correct in post
_ rolling shutter -> correct in post
not bad IS -> correct in post
Canon downsides:
_ less sharp -> sharpen
_ 4k crop -> cannot correct, buy another lens
_ more rolling shutter -> correct in post
_ no IS -> correct in post
_ unusable 120p -> just don't use it xD
External monitor for what? Time is money. Value.
Trying touching that external monitor for touch AF focus etc. Not fooling around with an external monitor when there's simply no need these days.
I agree with you but it will probably take more time correcting footage from the EOS R than the A7III, so yes, time is money.
i would just NOT buy a camera without a flip out screen .. period !
Good Comparison
Do you want one?
@@connormccaskill Yeah on discount 😎😋
Haha! Maybe in 6 months when the more “pro” mirrorless camera comes out!
Hä????? I don't understand the comparison because you use the same footage you used on the comparison video for the Sony a 6400 vs. canon m50!!??? I feel a bit fooled
Don't trust this guy. Its obviously selled out
Actually you can. With the Type-C to Type-C cable provided, you can charge while using with a Power Bank that supports Power Distribution.
Your color grading footage.. are you using different F stop on each camera? The Sony had a blurred bg where the Canon seemed to have the F much higher
Any thought on what focus tracking would be better if one were to be filming oneself dancing with a partner???
Could be wrong, but when you turn on in-body stabilization, the lens stabilization is deactivated. If it wasn't you'd have some funky stabilization feedback that would look shitty. The stabilization is not compounded when you have an in-body stabilizer + lens stabilizer.
And if you CAN do both, you probably shouldn't.. neither stabilizers are designed to work that way. Especially if you are using a Non-Sony Lens. That might actually be why your Sony looks worse than your Canon footage in terms of IS.
Considering the Sony has stabilisation in the body and on the lens it was very shaky?
All full frame ibis I've seen is really only good for photos or slow movements. But you can just use warp stabilizer for slow movements (unless there is high rolling shutter)
He wasn’t using the pod on the Sony
I don't know maybe I'm dumb and blind, but the log on the R looks much better, and the video quality of you walking around in 4k also looks much better on the R (aren't those 2 very important things for someone who shoots video?), didn't see any difference in stabilization or the rolling shutter between the 2 in your walking segment. The lack of 120fps (720 is meaningless nowdays) and with no auto focus in that mode is shameful on the R.
it is rather strange that you didn't adress low light... this is very bias towards Canon... by the way, the fact that the A7 III have IBIS is that you can use non-stabilized lenses....
your ass is also a little bit bias...you have to admit it... LOL
@@myersilles8365 by the way, you and your Bias buttshould watch this video :) (well, there are people that prefer worst, and more expensive): th-cam.com/video/3mUGuDXOTcA/w-d-xo.html
Your 1080p findings aren't what Potato Jet & Armando found. They both thought the 1080p on the R was better.
If you want beautiful color for video or photos, my suggestion is you need to try fujifilm !!
I'm confused as to why Potato Jet and Armando Ferrerra's video comparison of these cameras is the opposite in that the EOS-R is sharper than the A7III, especially in 1080P. Max Yuryev shows the A7III to be MUCH sharper, but here, it's sort of close. I don't get the differing results everywhere.
Sony still appeared to have color issue on your video....just....not natural, like you said. Did you color grade it "wrongly"? Or, Sony's footages just too hard to grade them natural-looking? In fact, this is always my major concern on Sony cameras, although everyone saying this 3rd generation has massive improvement on color science.
I wish to see a more detail video-AF comparison between the two. So you think Sony's AF is on par with the Canon now? Really?
My problem with a6500 as well, hence im not going to upgrade to any latest sony equipment anytime yet.
If you are into vlogging then there are many vlogging cameras available. These are for professional photographers and videographers. I think first you have to decide whether you vlog or be a professional photographer/ videographer. Professional cameras don't have articulating screens so far. Because professionals don't rely on technology they rely on thir talent.
Please fix this: Peter McKinnon and Casey Neistat barely use an 1DX. Mckinnon does B-Rolls mostly with the 1DX due to the 120fps. The flip display simply equals Neistat. He IS the flipscreen man, with the 6d mkII all the way. The point of the flipscreen is that you immediately know if you ruined the record or not. May save you quite some time.
I actually like the color of the Sony way more. The shadows of the canon are pretty harsh and desaturated while they looked a lot smoother on the Sony
So you use a zoom lens for canon and prime for Sony good job and the mb ps is better for canon that why you should use same lenses same apreacher for both
Do a weatherseal test.
Oh the EOS R colors are just so much better, whoa...
Please correct me if I am wrong. You say both camera are focusing perfectly. In the test footage which starts on 01:17, Sony a7 can't focus on the face accurately along test. Never.
Wtf happened to Canon's color science? The first examples make the Canon look like a damn Handycam.
Because It's have a cropped sensor it's look like a handycam
im agree.
user error.. this guy has no clue !
Crazy how much easier c log is to grade than s log. Fortunately I’m pretty over the shooting/grading learning curve for s log, and the footage can easily look the same as c log once you learn it’s quirks. Were you using the log flavor of eos pro hd??
Sony a7 III is not on the same range. The correct competitor chosen by range is the a7R III
But still Sony a7III wins for me
a7riii is much higher resolution, higher frame rate, no crop factor. It's no contest. a7riii is on par with the 1 dx mk ii. canon is pathetic with non functional eye detection, no dual card, no 120 fps, no full frame 4k. eos r can barely even touch the a7ii
@@dustovshio Hehehe The EOS 1DXMkII is the DSLR FF flag ship of Canon, it supossed to pair with Sony a9 non the a7RIII. But for me Canon is same as you say, I leave Canon some years ago because of that reasons! And now with the ridiculous EOS RP please!
Damn I just got sick on that rolling shutter 🤢🤮
Great review Dave! I have been seeing that The R's autofocus is not as good as past Canons and current Sonys? What is your take on that?
Great video question when shooting in canon log did you get noise at 400iso? My cam give noise and what lens did you use i really like the look?
Honestly I like the colors from the SONY in your Video much more.
When he is comparing color science of both cameras and bragging about how good Canon is, I'm just seeing much better colors on the right side, Sony side, is it only me?
yup. only you.
The Canon is better, imo.
sony just looks a lot more crispy... is that just me?
more crispy and clinical for sure
no, me too
Why is it that the most videos show the Canon is much sharper at 1080p than the A7's. And at 4K, some (like Max Yurev) show SOFT EOSR 4K, but Potato Jet shows consistently that the EOS-R is sharper at 4K (or the same) vs the A7III.
EOS R may not be the best at everything or any one thing, but canon's eco-system (lenses, reliability, support, flash systems, resale, etc.) is by far the best. Further, no full frame camera will ever have a flip screen other than Canon, due to canon's patent on this.
Am I the only one that thought the handheld stabilization test looked a lot better on the Canon? Compared side by side, I thought the Sony one looked super shaky on the left and right of the image, more so than the Canon. I also have a Sony a7iii and not a Canon EOS R, and wouldn't trade for all the other reasons why Sony is better, but the lens IS alone on that Canon looked hella smooth. I wonder if part of it is a weight thing, and the Sony is more bumpy in the wield itself. I know I still have a hard time with the ergonomics of it, having come from shooting on Canon DSLRs before switching.
Great comparison! I am a Canon Dslr user but in this test I prefer the A7III. It has more filmic tones to me.
Honestly, the new Sony color science has grown on me! I love it!
Unbiased review Dave, pointing out the good points and also the bad. Hope the upcoming firmware update can help with the rolling shutter as it is quite bad just like the M50, but the IS on the lens works well, I heard just don't use the Enhanced Digital IS, just the standard digital IS as it works much better
The enhanced is supposed to only be used when not moving. It tries to keep the subject in the center so if you are just standing there it actually can work well.
Ya we didn’t use the digital IS mode. Wouldn’t recommend it. The IS in the 24-105 is pretty dang good. 4K rolling shutter is really the only big issue with it to me.
Just like Sony did with their a6300, the severe rolling shutter is fully designed in to protect higher end cameras. It’s one of the most intentionally engineered “feature” to keep Pros away. And it’s unique to the physical sensor. No firmware update can fix RS sadly. Canon simply doesn’t want anyone who takes video seriously to buy this camera. They even admit it. I don’t know why people smash their head against a wall for no reason. Fuji, Panasonic, Sony- they all make really good cameras with top notch video features (both inexpensive and expensive- Canon won’t budge until you hand over $7,350 for a C200).
Dasa Auto I thought rolling shutter is mainly caused by the refresh rate or speed the sensor is read @. So maybe the refresh rate can be increased without to much side effects
A7iii with a flip-screen would be amazing.
maybe the a7siii will have it
Umm, you showed different parts of the frame for the 1080p test (at around ~1:55). You showed a window on the left that specifically has a ton of moire on the canon shot, but didn't show that window on the Sony shot. Why not just show the same part of the frame?
Both of them show moire on the window that is shared between the 2 shots. On the shared window the moire is VERY SLIGHTLY more apparent on the Canon, but this could be due to the white balance on the Canon not being as yellow, and the moire showing up as a yellow tint which could be more hidden on the more yellow Sony shot. You could show the window on the far right and then say the Canon is way better than the Sony with moire, since moire is REALLY bad on that window with the Sony and barely present with the Canon. Especially considering the window on the right is WAY larger in the frame.
The issue with this particular shot is that any moire pattern is going to be subject to frequency and in this particular shot the window pattern shown in the Canon shot has a frequency that doesn't work well with Canon's anti-aliasing implementation. Again, look at the window on the far right and THAT window doesn't work with Sony's anti-aliasing implementation. I think that Canon actually has STRONGER anti-aliasing filters, which is why you don't see the aliasing much until the pattern becomes VERY tiny in the 3rd window. The Canon's anti-aliasing seems more useful (the stuff closer to the camera aliases less), but we'd need more examples from different angles and distances to really tell.
The comparison, as far as moire, is bogus. Enjoyed the rest of the video though!
You're trying to say that sony's 8bit, 4:2, 100mbps output is far superior to canon's 10bit, 4:2:2, 480mbps output. Not to mention about the dual pixel AF, C-Log and built in ND filter in it's adapter.
So much irony in a single vid.
Exactly, this video is pretty poor at best.
Great test! interested to see the picture profile and grading adjustments on the sony!
yes, nice cameras, but how about 4k50/60 or 10bit internal? All log profiles are useless without 10bit colors. So what we have here are two pretty good vloging cameras and nothing more. For serious work in this price range go for gh5s, bmpc or xt3.
I know I am three years late but 10bit is only useless in lowlight situation specially if you are doing run&gun like Weddings, sony always win in that department.
what camera did you use to produce this video !
may be I speak about last shot in video !
sony !
Hey man, was curious what tripod is that in the intro. I was looking for something a bit more compact. Thx!
1:18 lens ? PLS
For the Sony A7iii 120p, did you record with audio (100mbps) or did you shoot in the lower bitrate conformed in-camera?
With audio
I really love both cameras but having a hard time to choose which one I can go for
I need one for wedding videos
Why is the sky so badly burnt on the Sony, when you film yourself holding the camera?
Sorry for silly question but I recently switched to Sony A7III from 5dMK3 and noticed that even after just playing with menus, taking few photos etc it's getting tiny bit warmer, especially bottom part of the body and when taking out the sd card it's also warm. Is it normal for Sony?
Dave, can i ask you your editing software and export settings? Your videos look very nice, even the 1080p ones.
While your comparison of LOG color may be true between these cameras, Canon looks SO much better straight out of camera. You must grade Sony footage to make it look good, no way around it.
still taking the Eos r gang
it’s not simply the color, Sony footage has issue with luminance, graded or not - look at the rough highlight rolloffs on the face. And it the same issue with raw images in my experience but, of course, it is far more problematic for video. Also, it seems that the 4k footage was done using ef-s 10-18 lens on 5div which will never give a sufficiently sharp 4k footage compared to something like 24mm f1.4. As far 1080p, I am not quite certain that Sony has a lot more detail, it’s just more sharpened out of the box which kinda makes it look more digital than cinematic. If you are using standard profile on Canon, you must dial contrast all the way down but the best picture style for video is Canon’s studio portrait - available to dowload for free from Canon’s website. It has more dynamic range than any other built-in profile and does not require any grading (make sure contrast is at least half way down). The correct sharpening setting for Canon video is 3. 50% unsharp mask can be added in post for crisp look. And most important, Canon’s IPB codec is much better than ALL-I because it has much less aliasing/artifacts.
You just mislead the codec. ALL-I is a much better codec, in canon and in any other camera.
Were you paid by Sony? You seem to punch the eos r so hard bro. You amplify the canon positive less and overly Yell the Sony positives
Jesus Man ....for a second I thought you were Keys from Linus Tech Tips !??
Can you frame a Sony? Because if you can the Sony machinery is stellar. However, I prefer nice looking actual photos and video and with that Canon has rocked for ages. I still go back to photos I took 10 years ago with a Canon and they look like pro photos. If you look at the Canon video it looks like it came right off a movie set. I mean, if you love tech specs go with the Sony. If you like beautiful photos and video, I guess I better stick with Canon. Its a good thing Sony A7iii was totally back ordered the whole summer because I think I prefer the Canon.
One other thing. The AF in Canon also seems to have a natural focus. It doesn't hunt it moves like the wind as if it were on a dolly. Has anyone done a "Move like the Wind on a Dolly Tech Spec" yet? Oh, that's right there isn't one.
EOS R is good
Can you compare AF of both cameras but in making photo ? There is a lot of information about eye tracking, making videos etc.... which shows that Sony is the best of the best.... but there is almost no tests of AF during making photos...
How did you not get vignetting after mounting a crop sensor lens on full frame?