Well, we're a bit more concerned with whether they get in our way when running or actually make us more efficient. We're really not that attractive anyway, so...
@@TheUltraRunningCompany Yes, that is a more pressing question, for sure! Like you, I tend to kick my calves a bit out on the trails and I could see the size of this shoe exacerbating that problem. Also, all of that extra weight would be a deal-breaker. It's definitely an interesting shoe but just not the one for me (I'm a Torrent guy). Thanks for the in-depth review though... thorough and fair, as always. :)
I saw an article on this come across my news feed this morning but I didn't have time to check it....and now here's a video. !!?? I find it amusing because I've been enjoying running in Xero minimalist shoes lately. I'd say this Hoka is about as polar opposite as you can get from that!!
Brian, we love us some Xeros as well as HOKAs! We always try to point out in our reviews that shoes are tools, and the shoe that's right for one person in one application may not be appropriate at all for others doing different activities. These are CERTAINLY the opposite, but we were excited to get our hands on them early enough that we could actually test them *for real* instead of just regurgitating the HOKA press release! Thanks so much for checking it out!
I’m a big time heel striker and I run on concrete everyday. Gonna give these a shot because I dare to be different. I actually think this could be the shoe I have been looking for. Will keep you updated everyone. Run hard....🇺🇸🍺
@@carlosbaltodano7811 Hello Carlos. I like the shoe and it did soften the blow on my heel strikes, but for the price tag I will stick with the Stinson. Hope this helps you. Run hard.
Thanks so much S G! We have it available as of 9:00 Eastern today: bit.ly/URCTenNine, otherwise you'll have to search pretty hard to find a local retailer if you are not here in Charlotte. FootRX in Asheville, NC has them as well, but its just the two of us in the Southeastern US! HOKA has them available online as well, but we definitely notice it more than they do when folks make a purchase! :) The color you see is what you get. 1,500 pairs made for the entire US, and they have not started another run at this point (that we know of...but they did promise that any subsequent production would be based on interest at launch), so there won't be another batch dropping in the near future. Aaaand..with the name you're pushing us into marketing, which we work SO hard to avoid! Our understanding (stick with us here) is that this shoe is not just big, it's "Giga" big, but they didn't want to call it the Gigashoe. :) So in math terms a "giga" is the number 10, raised to the 9th power. So: 10^9, or "TenNine"! Enjoy!!
Sounds fair, Aurtisan. We did see a couple of "first looks" on this shoe where people were in the snow (we don't get much of that here in NC), but none of them had any real feedback. They would definitely stay on top of the snow better, but the traction may not be what you're looking for. Long hikes would certainly not be a bad use case.
The Ultra Running Company I live in alaska, so snow is a common occurrence for me. Lol. I used to use some over-boots in the snow that had a pretty large foot print and they had noticeably more floatation than my current snow boots have. These shoes remind me of those over boots.
Sorry Zanrok! They did make a few 13s, and we were told they would be released as such. Our understanding is they did intend to release the 13, but chose not to at the very last minute...limited quantities maybe? We're not sure. AND Nathan is bummed he can't get another pair to run in! :)
Hi Double D. They created if for bidirectional clowns. Thanks for taking the time to comment on BOTH our TenNine videos...there must be SOMETHING that interested you in the shoe!
Hi Rob! We actually may not get to that shoe - it's been out for a while now, and our understanding is the next update will (once again) be substantial. Bottom line is that for us this was always a very comfortable, flexible shoe that was a joy to wear but didn't corner very well. The 2.0 is heavier, built up to allow more cornering (but still not enough to make it sporty), and generally less fun to run in *the way we enjoy running in them* than the original and 1.5. We'll be interested to see the direction the 2.5 goes in, because the midsole is still solid!
The Ultra Running Company thanks! If anything this reaffirms my view on the 2.0 as well. The original was amazing and the 1.5 was even better. I’m hoping the 2.5 is more along the 1.5’s.
For sure, Neville! Our initial thoughts are it's a pretty fantastic update, but we'll try to put something together once we have a bit more experience with them!
Im wondering when Hoka will come out the Bondi 7 or Clifton 7 they said after New Years 2 years since an updated version of the 6s , Looking for a similar shoe as Bondi or Clifton.Not Hoka.
Chaba, you just don't seem to be a fan of HOKA. That's cool - lots of others shoes out there from a bunch of solid manufacturers. Yes, the Bondi is on a 2-year cycle with HOKA, and scheduled to release on 8/1. The Clifton 7 (Cliftons are on a 1-year update schedule, and were last updated on June 1, 2019) is currently expected on June 1, 2020...right on schedule. Good luck with your search!
True story: Nathan was the first (and perhaps only?) person to ever run UP the Pike's Peak Marathon in a pair of minimal shoes (in his case a pair of NB 101s, Anton color way...), sit down at the peak, and change into a pair of HOKA Mafates for the descent. So don't think we wouldn't consider this. Aside from the first mile, it's just the type of smooth sailing we mention these might be right for on the way down!
Interesting, Richard. As we mentioned, probably NOT for the front runners, who will never need the assistance as their form declines over the course of the race...but for folks pushing a cutoff (24hrs or golden hour) this seems like a potential tool.
Richard - what about the Pike's Peak Marathon? It came up in conversation, and we think this might be the best use case we've heard of to date. 12 miles of 10% downhill graded trail?? Whoop!!
Hi Coach! That is true. In the days immediately prior to the shoe's release we noticed the messaging from HOKA focused on the downhill capabilities of the shoe. While that is certainly a use for the TenNine, we try to NOT just regurgitate what companies release in their press packets and call it a "review". As we mention in the video, the shoe is designed to transition from the heel to the toe in a novel manner compared to every other shoe on the market. Since the main components for this action are in the heel, this would be most noticeable when running downhill and on flat surfaces - there is almost no effect when running one's mid- or forefoot, and as such there really aren't many benefits to running uphill in the shoe. You can see we specifically tested the shoe in all situations, including downhill, here: th-cam.com/video/4PIzofmzQsk/w-d-xo.html We chose to focus on the endurance aspects of the shoe, as it is our belief a dramatic reimagining of the gait cycle is necessary only at such a point as the runners more natural form breaks down. HOKA also suggested the fastest downhill racers would benefit from this design, and we're not 100% on board there, either. We think the fastest folks will maintain their form at high speed and find the added material a bit of an inconvenience, while mid-pack runners may find benefit as they tire during their longer efforts. So that's that. Thanks for asking.
@@coachdribbledrive4726 Your point is solid. The key here is the "Concept Car" status of this shoe. HOKA has a technology/design they really feel will be useful, and put it out without focus groups, market feedback, etc. Our impression is they decided to focus on one easily communicated benefit of their design in their press releases and most folks just jumped on that without really giving it any additional thought...our understanding from talking to the designers and running in it ourselves was that the value lay elsewhere, so we focused on the areas where we thought the value may be more appropriate.
I like my Hoka's, but yeah, they are like comical clown shoes and like walking/running on marshmallows. Plus, the footprints are like snowshoes. I don't know what I would feel like if I was one of their athletes. You'd see all the other athletes with new awesome products and you'd be standing there in your clown shoes going.. " I am a sponsored athlete too."
We suspect if you were a HOKA sponsored athlete you may choose a different, purpose built shoe (like every other manufacturers' representatives) and then go out and win - say - the women's marathon US Olympic Trials in it. But we have no particular insight, since we're not sponsored. :)
Hi Mathieuj. Sorry we couldn't explain it better. HOKA feels like it redistributes force in a manner that helps improve efficiency. They have targeted late in one's longest runs and extreme downhills as being the two places where this shape helps the most.
The Ultra Running Company No worries I’m sure it was explained in the video. English it not my native tongue (Sweden represent) so that might be the culprit here.🤷🏻♂️😅 Thanks for the explanation. Keep up the great work!
People that make sarcastic, smart ass comments should realize that Hoka has literally changed many peoples lives. There are thousands of people that had given up running before this company came along and gave them new life. As one of those people, I am grateful for a company that pushes the edge of technology to help those of us that have physical issues run again. I first saw those "clown shoes" in Florida on vacation in around 2011 or 12. I had given up running from foot injuries. I asked the guy wearing them where I could buy them. He told me about a running store down the street. I went straight to the store and bought them. They have extended my running life at least 10 years now. I am grateful for a company that pushes the edge as opposed to companies like Nike that live off their reputation and put profit ahead of trying to make a better shoe.
Thank you. I am one of those people. Because of a major injury from a car accident I never thought I'd run again this company changed my life. I now own 9 pairs of hokas and I really want these literally as a collector to say thanks to them for helping me get my life back
wouldn't you use this shoe by landing every step on your heel intentionally? why stick to traditional "form"? I'm a long distance backpacker and in the technical stuff i'm always landing on my heel for maximum friction. If i don't, i have to slow down. Surely that must be true for runners too?
Going downhill and heel landing in these actually feels like you are landing flat. In them, I fly downhill, but the downside from doing so is that I end up using more calf muscles than I normally would in other shoes.
You said the Ten Nine is not Hoka's most cushioned, so what is their most cushioned shoe? It looks way more cushioned than my Bondi 6, but looks can be deceiving.
@@TheUltraRunningCompany Thank you. As a slower trail marathon runner, I have been looking at getting a new trail shoe, I have been going back and forth between a max cushion like this or the Stinson and the Speedgoat 4 GTX. As you state in the video, a "podium shoe" isn't really what I need, but the grip of the Speedgoat 4 may be better than the cushion.
Honestly - we've tried running in flippers, and these are MUCH more efficient. While we talk in the video about exactly WHERE we would choose these, we would certainly prefer them to ANY aquatic footwear! :)
Hi Activist. We address this very specifically in the review. We fundamentally agree with your concern, but make our judgements based on actual use, not a crazy-a** design... The shoes are very clearly designed to facilitate heel-striking, but to say they encourage it does not play out in use.
Sorry Ed, this is just confusing to us. You can see massive heel slippage in our video? Or you can imagine massive slippage based on the shape? Have you worn the shoes? We did have some minor movement on the most technical descents, but only because we didn't use a runner's loop to lock our heels down (Something we do for pretty much every trail shoe we run in). We adjusted and had NO perceptible movement within the shoe. As for the CEO, we can't speak for the person at the top of Deckers (HOKA's parent company), but we can speak for the head of HOKA, and her background is pretty solid. Our impression is she runs and cares deeply about other runners - just like the CEOs of other running shoe companies who make shoes with things like stability features we personally disagree with. We try to avoid thinking we know everything on the internet, as there's always someone with more knowledge, background or insight than us. We don't mention that for any reason. It was just a thought that came to our head. :)
I own these, and they are very comfortable with no heal slippage. Do use the runner's loop to lock them in. They are comfortable overall, and you can fly downhill with ease. However, with great powers come great responsibility, which for these shoes means be prepared to activate muscles you'd not use as much in other shoes... your calves and other muscles that would support fast descents.
Highly unlikely from our perspective, Greg. There may be negative consequences from this (or any) shoe that attempts to change the way the body naturally functions, but we doubt a lack of stability and consistency is one of them. This shoe is insanely stable and consistent. :)
He amado esta marca por años pero esta nueva zapatilla es la mas ridícula que he visto de Hoka el diseño ten nine es horrible y corriendo con esa cosa me recuerda a cuando corria con los zapatos de mi padre Jajaja
does anyone need to use that much oil to make a shoe!?! I get being comfortable doing whatever activity but this thing is absurdly overbuilt and doing no favors to the environment.
We'd prefer folks landed under their center of gravity, TBH. We see some people do that on their heels, but most do so on their mid-foot or fore-foot. For those that DO land in front of their body, our hope is that the science backs up the claims and this design transitions folks forward as quickly as possible. We can't test that sort of thing, be we're happy to pass on what we know. :)
@@TheUltraRunningCompany haha... I've watched the video until the end, great review as always 👍 What i meant is that gigantic heel on the back looks ridiculous, i don't think that's my cup of tea. I wanna like the shoe, coz I'm also a quite fan of Hoka, but when u mentioned that the shoe not good for aggressive track (5:45), then this one definitely not for me :)
@@pratomoardianto336 You watched until the END?!? First, THANK YOU! Second...you have to get out and run now. You're wasting too much time on the InterTube! Third: that's a really reasonable call - we discussed this *at length* with the designers, and we ALL agreed there was a relatively small group it would be appropriate for. The surface input is entirely ours (they think the increased width provides traction on every terrain), but we'll go to the mat for it!
Get a grip.. totally ridiculous..we.ve got by without crap like this up til now..keep a rock in your pocket when your on the trail..just in case you see a sad act wearing these..😳🤯
Mr. Tintin - don't make us send Captain Haddock after you. If you're going to be throwing rocks on the trails, please stay off the trails. In fact, stay home. Boo on the violence: it's a SHOE.
I appreciate innovation and all but I'd just be too embarrassed to put these on my feet. I hope they do well with them but damn...
Well, we're a bit more concerned with whether they get in our way when running or actually make us more efficient. We're really not that attractive anyway, so...
@@TheUltraRunningCompany Yes, that is a more pressing question, for sure! Like you, I tend to kick my calves a bit out on the trails and I could see the size of this shoe exacerbating that problem. Also, all of that extra weight would be a deal-breaker. It's definitely an interesting shoe but just not the one for me (I'm a Torrent guy). Thanks for the in-depth review though... thorough and fair, as always. :)
The Ultra Running Company 😂 😂
Thanks, Plink Plink!
Im sorry im not running in clown shoes for anyone
Can you ski on them?
:) We haven't tried, ManuelB!
Waterski!
I saw an article on this come across my news feed this morning but I didn't have time to check it....and now here's a video. !!?? I find it amusing because I've been enjoying running in Xero minimalist shoes lately. I'd say this Hoka is about as polar opposite as you can get from that!!
Brian, we love us some Xeros as well as HOKAs! We always try to point out in our reviews that shoes are tools, and the shoe that's right for one person in one application may not be appropriate at all for others doing different activities. These are CERTAINLY the opposite, but we were excited to get our hands on them early enough that we could actually test them *for real* instead of just regurgitating the HOKA press release! Thanks so much for checking it out!
I’m a big time heel striker and I run on concrete everyday. Gonna give these a shot because I dare to be different. I actually think this could be the shoe I have been looking for. Will keep you updated everyone. Run hard....🇺🇸🍺
I’m a heel striker as well and I’m about to buy these. Any updates? Would you recommend them?
@@carlosbaltodano7811 Hello Carlos. I like the shoe and it did soften the blow on my heel strikes, but for the price tag I will stick with the Stinson. Hope this helps you. Run hard.
Always the best reviews! Thanks a lot!
Thank you so much, EG. We appreciate it!
I thought this is a joke....
That's exactly what we said about the original Mafate! :) (And don't even get us started on that Tesla Cybertruck!)
Great video. Really enjoy your reviews!
Thank you, Stefan!
Very informative review and I love Hoka. Being a small runner, that’s more weight and size than my body cares to handle without tripping over them.
Right on Marty! Totally understandable! Good luck out there!
I’m ready to try this shoe! Nice review
Thank you, Jason!
Couldn't run in daylight with those where I come from.... I'd get arrested!
Tough cops in your neighborhood!
thank you for this video man such an awesome explanation
Well thanks, Hayden! That means a lot to us!
I didn't know Julian Sands had a younger brother? Great review indeed!
Nice review. I’m glad to have found your channel
Thanks Aaron! We're happy, too! Thanks for watching. :)
Great review as always...
When will it be available? What colors?
Perhaps I missed it but is there significance to the name TenNine?
Thanks so much S G!
We have it available as of 9:00 Eastern today: bit.ly/URCTenNine, otherwise you'll have to search pretty hard to find a local retailer if you are not here in Charlotte. FootRX in Asheville, NC has them as well, but its just the two of us in the Southeastern US! HOKA has them available online as well, but we definitely notice it more than they do when folks make a purchase! :)
The color you see is what you get. 1,500 pairs made for the entire US, and they have not started another run at this point (that we know of...but they did promise that any subsequent production would be based on interest at launch), so there won't be another batch dropping in the near future.
Aaaand..with the name you're pushing us into marketing, which we work SO hard to avoid! Our understanding (stick with us here) is that this shoe is not just big, it's "Giga" big, but they didn't want to call it the Gigashoe. :) So in math terms a "giga" is the number 10, raised to the 9th power. So: 10^9, or "TenNine"!
Enjoy!!
I bet those add a bunch of floatation in the snow! If they feel and perform well I’d wear them on a long hike.
Sounds fair, Aurtisan. We did see a couple of "first looks" on this shoe where people were in the snow (we don't get much of that here in NC), but none of them had any real feedback. They would definitely stay on top of the snow better, but the traction may not be what you're looking for. Long hikes would certainly not be a bad use case.
The Ultra Running Company I live in alaska, so snow is a common occurrence for me. Lol. I used to use some over-boots in the snow that had a pretty large foot print and they had noticeably more floatation than my current snow boots have. These shoes remind me of those over boots.
Great review. Once available could you check Torrent 2? Thanks.
Thanks so much, Harm. We plan to!!
You mentioned they go up to size 13, that is incorrect according to Hoka. Only up to size 12, which is a bummer for me since I wear size 13 (men's)
Sorry Zanrok! They did make a few 13s, and we were told they would be released as such. Our understanding is they did intend to release the 13, but chose not to at the very last minute...limited quantities maybe? We're not sure. AND Nathan is bummed he can't get another pair to run in! :)
What's up with the reverse clown shoes?
Hi Double D. They created if for bidirectional clowns. Thanks for taking the time to comment on BOTH our TenNine videos...there must be SOMETHING that interested you in the shoe!
If it’s not Hoka 1 1 then it should be the Hoka tene nine! (That’s tenay Ninay!)
Oh, you're our kind of runner, Deadbuck73! Of course, Nathan would likely still mess up the pronunciation!
Can you do the Altra Escalante 2.0? I'm curious of your take on the 2.0 compared to previous versions.
Hi Rob! We actually may not get to that shoe - it's been out for a while now, and our understanding is the next update will (once again) be substantial. Bottom line is that for us this was always a very comfortable, flexible shoe that was a joy to wear but didn't corner very well. The 2.0 is heavier, built up to allow more cornering (but still not enough to make it sporty), and generally less fun to run in *the way we enjoy running in them* than the original and 1.5. We'll be interested to see the direction the 2.5 goes in, because the midsole is still solid!
The Ultra Running Company thanks! If anything this reaffirms my view on the 2.0 as well. The original was amazing and the 1.5 was even better. I’m hoping the 2.5 is more along the 1.5’s.
Need some advice I’m on concrete 12-15hrs a day for work heel striker but need some help on decisions for HOKA’s thanks
To anyone who thinks the shoe looks horrible, you will look worse after finishing a hundred 😂
Hey! We resemble that comment!
Please can you review the Salomon pro 4
For sure, Neville! Our initial thoughts are it's a pretty fantastic update, but we'll try to put something together once we have a bit more experience with them!
Would this be a good shoe for someone with supination considering the cushion and stability?
So shoes for downhill. How do you get uphill?
Hard work, Fireman, hard work... :)
But April 1st isn’t here yet
We're just going to start making notches in our belt for this response... :)
Would these be good for flat feet ?
Im wondering when Hoka will come out the Bondi 7 or Clifton 7 they said after New Years 2 years since an updated version of the 6s , Looking for a similar shoe as Bondi or Clifton.Not Hoka.
Chaba, you just don't seem to be a fan of HOKA. That's cool - lots of others shoes out there from a bunch of solid manufacturers. Yes, the Bondi is on a 2-year cycle with HOKA, and scheduled to release on 8/1. The Clifton 7 (Cliftons are on a 1-year update schedule, and were last updated on June 1, 2019) is currently expected on June 1, 2020...right on schedule. Good luck with your search!
Pikes peak run in colorado 🤔 maybe these will be good for that
True story: Nathan was the first (and perhaps only?) person to ever run UP the Pike's Peak Marathon in a pair of minimal shoes (in his case a pair of NB 101s, Anton color way...), sit down at the peak, and change into a pair of HOKA Mafates for the descent. So don't think we wouldn't consider this. Aside from the first mile, it's just the type of smooth sailing we mention these might be right for on the way down!
Is this shoe still available?
Are you able to run on street or flat terrain with this as well?
I want them
How is sizing? If im an 8.5 mens do i size up or down
We cover that starting at 8:58. :)
Sorry so long. There's so much to cover with this shoe...
I feel like hoka made this shoe just for Western States.
Interesting, Richard. As we mentioned, probably NOT for the front runners, who will never need the assistance as their form declines over the course of the race...but for folks pushing a cutoff (24hrs or golden hour) this seems like a potential tool.
Richard - what about the Pike's Peak Marathon? It came up in conversation, and we think this might be the best use case we've heard of to date. 12 miles of 10% downhill graded trail?? Whoop!!
@@TheUltraRunningCompany You forgot the ascent bit.
Looks great for running.... on the moon!
Our exact thought when we put on our first pair of HOKA Stinson in 2012!
LMAO
Um, everyone else says it's a specific downhill running shoe?
Edit: hoka are advertising it as all terrain on their website
Hi Coach! That is true. In the days immediately prior to the shoe's release we noticed the messaging from HOKA focused on the downhill capabilities of the shoe. While that is certainly a use for the TenNine, we try to NOT just regurgitate what companies release in their press packets and call it a "review". As we mention in the video, the shoe is designed to transition from the heel to the toe in a novel manner compared to every other shoe on the market. Since the main components for this action are in the heel, this would be most noticeable when running downhill and on flat surfaces - there is almost no effect when running one's mid- or forefoot, and as such there really aren't many benefits to running uphill in the shoe.
You can see we specifically tested the shoe in all situations, including downhill, here: th-cam.com/video/4PIzofmzQsk/w-d-xo.html
We chose to focus on the endurance aspects of the shoe, as it is our belief a dramatic reimagining of the gait cycle is necessary only at such a point as the runners more natural form breaks down. HOKA also suggested the fastest downhill racers would benefit from this design, and we're not 100% on board there, either. We think the fastest folks will maintain their form at high speed and find the added material a bit of an inconvenience, while mid-pack runners may find benefit as they tire during their longer efforts.
So that's that. Thanks for asking.
@@TheUltraRunningCompany
But... Would you test a racing flat for mountain ultras?
Coach DribbleDrive most runs aren’t solely downhill.. his review is fair and useful.
@@logancravey7640 actually looking at the European website they advertise it as "any terrain". So I guess everything's fine and I'm a tool :)
@@coachdribbledrive4726 Your point is solid. The key here is the "Concept Car" status of this shoe. HOKA has a technology/design they really feel will be useful, and put it out without focus groups, market feedback, etc. Our impression is they decided to focus on one easily communicated benefit of their design in their press releases and most folks just jumped on that without really giving it any additional thought...our understanding from talking to the designers and running in it ourselves was that the value lay elsewhere, so we focused on the areas where we thought the value may be more appropriate.
I like my Hoka's, but yeah, they are like comical clown shoes and like walking/running on marshmallows. Plus, the footprints are like snowshoes. I don't know what I would feel like if I was one of their athletes. You'd see all the other athletes with new awesome products and you'd be standing there in your clown shoes going.. " I am a sponsored athlete too."
Lmfao well said
We suspect if you were a HOKA sponsored athlete you may choose a different, purpose built shoe (like every other manufacturers' representatives) and then go out and win - say - the women's marathon US Olympic Trials in it. But we have no particular insight, since we're not sponsored. :)
I am not saying they are bad shoe, I am saying that they are not like other shoes and they are a bit comical in size.
Mabye I’m slow but I don’t get what the whole heel thingy does for you?
Hi Mathieuj. Sorry we couldn't explain it better. HOKA feels like it redistributes force in a manner that helps improve efficiency. They have targeted late in one's longest runs and extreme downhills as being the two places where this shape helps the most.
The Ultra Running Company No worries I’m sure it was explained in the video. English it not my native tongue (Sweden represent) so that might be the culprit here.🤷🏻♂️😅 Thanks for the explanation. Keep up the great work!
I'm a 14 I couldn't imagine how big those would look if they made them. It's like a little kid waring their dads shoes lol.
Ha! Sorry we won't get to see that, Wally. We'd love the picture!
People that make sarcastic, smart ass comments should realize that Hoka has literally changed many peoples lives. There are thousands of people that had given up running before this company came along and gave them new life. As one of those people, I am grateful for a company that pushes the edge of technology to help those of us that have physical issues run again. I first saw those "clown shoes" in Florida on vacation in around 2011 or 12. I had given up running from foot injuries. I asked the guy wearing them where I could buy them. He told me about a running store down the street. I went straight to the store and bought them. They have extended my running life at least 10 years now. I am grateful for a company that pushes the edge as opposed to companies like Nike that live off their reputation and put profit ahead of trying to make a better shoe.
Thank you. I am one of those people. Because of a major injury from a car accident I never thought I'd run again this company changed my life. I now own 9 pairs of hokas and I really want these literally as a collector to say thanks to them for helping me get my life back
Vincent Adultman would love them
Hoka Tennine: the shoe goofier than that toe shoe guy..
Last time I saw someone in shoes like this he had a red nose and worked in a circus
wouldn't you use this shoe by landing every step on your heel intentionally? why stick to traditional "form"? I'm a long distance backpacker and in the technical stuff i'm always landing on my heel for maximum friction. If i don't, i have to slow down. Surely that must be true for runners too?
Going downhill and heel landing in these actually feels like you are landing flat. In them, I fly downhill, but the downside from doing so is that I end up using more calf muscles than I normally would in other shoes.
You said the Ten Nine is not Hoka's most cushioned, so what is their most cushioned shoe? It looks way more cushioned than my Bondi 6, but looks can be deceiving.
Ryan, the Stinson 5 has slightly more "stack" height and weights an ounce more as well. :)
@@TheUltraRunningCompany Thank you. As a slower trail marathon runner, I have been looking at getting a new trail shoe, I have been going back and forth between a max cushion like this or the Stinson and the Speedgoat 4 GTX. As you state in the video, a "podium shoe" isn't really what I need, but the grip of the Speedgoat 4 may be better than the cushion.
Guys in Altra be like : Okay guys the ball is in Hokas now.
.......boy oh boy this looks demented...but comfort after 100+miles is more valuable than the looks. Should be a monster for any extended downhills.
There's this 17 mile stretch of Tor des Geants.... :)
When I first saw them I thought they were a photoshopped joke.
And then you saw us holding them and you figured they were added in post? :)
I love it.
Right on, Lajos!
Please reconsider.
I already look stupid enough running up and down the dog park hill like 100 times... I guess i dont have much to lose here
DO IT! :) :) :) We can see the FKT for your dog park hill going down in flames!!
I’m an overpronating flat feet fatass, about to move from road marathons to 50k trails... I want to try this shoe !
Good luck, Bert! We hope you enjoy the experience, and enjoy the trails!
The thumbnail honestly looks like a caricature.
Wait. The thumbnails of Nathan?!? We're crying here!
@@TheUltraRunningCompany Nathan good. Hair good. Shoe bad. Shoe very bad.
HOKA have to up the HOKA when all the other brands are more HOKA like.
Exactly ! First they laugh and criticise and then they copy. Without Hoka 90 % of all actual running shoes wouldn't exist
There is a certain buildup, isn't there?
Well said ! Now almost all new products are Hoka alike
Hoka should've released this shoe on April 1st. People would think that this is a joke, only to realize several days later that it is legit.
Looks like flippers onland..feels like youd run like your on flippers with this kind of shoes
Honestly - we've tried running in flippers, and these are MUCH more efficient. While we talk in the video about exactly WHERE we would choose these, we would certainly prefer them to ANY aquatic footwear! :)
@@TheUltraRunningCompany with this kinda long shoe you gotta to do long strides,knee high running? Can non elite runners use this type of shoes?
They also allow to walk across the ocean .
We forgot to mention it in our review, but we did the "walk on water" test and found ourselves very wet. Theory debunked. :)
i’d wear em!!
Right on, Sahibjot!
It looks like those giant slippers in different animal characters
First time we've heard that take, Geriatric Frog. We might have snorted a little. :)
I need to
Made for ultra heel strikers. haha
We see what you did there, Nathan. And we appreciate it. :)
Everyone is a heel striker when they've been running 24 hrs
Most Cushioned = Stinson ATR
Nailed it!
...so they're encouraging heel striking. literal facepalm
Hi Activist. We address this very specifically in the review. We fundamentally agree with your concern, but make our judgements based on actual use, not a crazy-a** design... The shoes are very clearly designed to facilitate heel-striking, but to say they encourage it does not play out in use.
@Gmail X because heel striking is bad, that's why...
When running downhill in step terrain its hard to avoid heel striking.. maybe its for that purpose.
I almost got it, but I was afraid that I would trip.
I think Hoka is slowly transitioning to waterskiing!
Meh. Needs less traction for that. Must be early in the transition!
I was referring to the size of the outsole...lol
@@RealG-j2q We know. We get punchy with all these responses... Thanks for checking out the review!
Hoka what is you doin baby?! 🤦🏻♂️
I can see a massive amount of heal slippage. The CEO who gave the -go head and go- with the production of the design is clueless about running 🤣
Sorry Ed, this is just confusing to us. You can see massive heel slippage in our video? Or you can imagine massive slippage based on the shape? Have you worn the shoes? We did have some minor movement on the most technical descents, but only because we didn't use a runner's loop to lock our heels down (Something we do for pretty much every trail shoe we run in). We adjusted and had NO perceptible movement within the shoe.
As for the CEO, we can't speak for the person at the top of Deckers (HOKA's parent company), but we can speak for the head of HOKA, and her background is pretty solid. Our impression is she runs and cares deeply about other runners - just like the CEOs of other running shoe companies who make shoes with things like stability features we personally disagree with. We try to avoid thinking we know everything on the internet, as there's always someone with more knowledge, background or insight than us. We don't mention that for any reason. It was just a thought that came to our head. :)
The Ultra Running Company Well! the best of luck on clearing all of your inventory on these overpriced goofy looking shoes😂👍
I own these, and they are very comfortable with no heal slippage. Do use the runner's loop to lock them in. They are comfortable overall, and you can fly downhill with ease. However, with great powers come great responsibility, which for these shoes means be prepared to activate muscles you'd not use as much in other shoes... your calves and other muscles that would support fast descents.
Wait, is it April 1st? No. Just no lol.
Hi Steve! Good to see you again! :)
The vast majority of the commenters here would not have been open-minded to try the original Stinson at the time they came out. Limited thinking
the shoes so THICC.
We, um, had to refer to the urban dictionary. But we got it now. :)
They do look like clown shoes. But I might give the Speedgoat a try.
Bottom line: They're huge! We're big fans of the Speedgoat (especially the EVO), and it is definitely more versatile than the TenNine!
Oh no.
:)
looks like something virgil would wear
We'll take your word for it, Kevin!
Masssive
HUGE!!
It's so uggo. I... hate it. I hate it. Please destroy these.
Done. There are no longer any in existence. :)
@@TheUltraRunningCompany Ahhh man what a palpable relief that brings. Thank you.
Downhill running... fast.
Why not? Get into it!
No. Just no. Won't change my mind.
Well don't look to US to change it. We're an impartial third party! :)
*rolls ankle, gets compound fracture
Highly unlikely from our perspective, Greg. There may be negative consequences from this (or any) shoe that attempts to change the way the body naturally functions, but we doubt a lack of stability and consistency is one of them. This shoe is insanely stable and consistent. :)
I would never wear this shoe . When they wear a little what do you do with them ? Throw them in the garbage .
As we mentioned in your other comments, it just doesn't seem like HOKAs are for your, Chaba. That's all good - enjoy the shoes YOU like!
Snow shoes
WHERE?!?
@@TheUltraRunningCompany the moment u realised you bought too much stock 🤔
@@pete9754 That's why we run, not invest. :)
maybe a technically great shoe but unspeakably ugly, just like the Alpha Fly by Nike
Fair opinion, Michael! We're trying to get our head around some technically advanced products that push our own aesthetics as well!
looking at them hurts my eyes...
Hoka overkilled it!!! Too much exaggeration!!!
These are a recipe for injury.
LMAO
Thicc
Riiiiite?
He amado esta marca por años pero esta nueva zapatilla es la mas ridícula que he visto de Hoka el diseño ten nine es horrible y corriendo con esa cosa me recuerda a cuando corria con los zapatos de mi padre Jajaja
¡Parece que no estarán de pie pronto! ¡Te animamos como otros HOKA, Clau!
Bruh
You can probably get into an accident driving and wearing these
There is - quite literally - an insert in the box that says not to drive with them. So HOKA likely agrees with you.
does anyone need to use that much oil to make a shoe!?! I get being comfortable doing whatever activity but this thing is absurdly overbuilt and doing no favors to the environment.
We didn't check the petroleum content. Perhaps something to add in future reviews, but its going to take some digging...
Nightmare for heel strikers!
No this is brilliant for heel strikers!
We'd prefer folks landed under their center of gravity, TBH. We see some people do that on their heels, but most do so on their mid-foot or fore-foot. For those that DO land in front of their body, our hope is that the science backs up the claims and this design transitions folks forward as quickly as possible. We can't test that sort of thing, be we're happy to pass on what we know. :)
this is a shoe for flat american fireroad courses. Additionally, One can think of number of shoes better than this one!
Orribles
We're pretty sure that's French, antxyz. Have you heard us pronounce Mafate??
Eww... Wtf is that??
Well, we spent just over 14 minutes explaining it....
@@TheUltraRunningCompany haha... I've watched the video until the end, great review as always 👍 What i meant is that gigantic heel on the back looks ridiculous, i don't think that's my cup of tea. I wanna like the shoe, coz I'm also a quite fan of Hoka, but when u mentioned that the shoe not good for aggressive track (5:45), then this one definitely not for me :)
@@pratomoardianto336 You watched until the END?!? First, THANK YOU! Second...you have to get out and run now. You're wasting too much time on the InterTube! Third: that's a really reasonable call - we discussed this *at length* with the designers, and we ALL agreed there was a relatively small group it would be appropriate for. The surface input is entirely ours (they think the increased width provides traction on every terrain), but we'll go to the mat for it!
So freaking ugly these hookah shoes
Clown shoes.
Who the hell is gonna spend the money on this crap?
Ugliest, most over-priced shoe ever made.
Get a grip.. totally ridiculous..we.ve got by without crap like this up til now..keep a rock in your pocket when your on the trail..just in case you see a sad act wearing these..😳🤯
Mr. Tintin - don't make us send Captain Haddock after you. If you're going to be throwing rocks on the trails, please stay off the trails. In fact, stay home. Boo on the violence: it's a SHOE.