the answer to the paradox is simply this, unless we build FTL or faster travel methods & go eyeball the stars we will never truly know if anyone is out there... the telescopes are an awesome concept, but they will never find life, so it's really just a distraction from moving forward with exploration... I really feel that religion & political selfishness the fear of the loss of control the ppl is what is preventing us from moving into space...
I was a SETI@Home user and I really enjoyed the experience. It was cool to be a part of it. I hope it comes back just because of the sense of community it created.
SETI@Home brings back memories. I remember building an PC from old parts just for SETI. I ran that PC 24HR/7days a week. I am so happy that data is still been useful.
Look into the mass school sightings at Westall. Australia, 1966. The ruptured UFO in Varginha Brazil that seemed to have several "ufonauts" on the loose. I can recommend the YT site: Eyes on cinema@R. If you look into these cases that include telepathic mass messaging, close encounters and seemingly capture of live speciments you should have gained enough insight to move on at own hand. Truth are now available and you wont get closer to it by looking at grainy tic tac footage.
@@grimmertwin2148 They already have! Seek same comment section but first, In the "sort by" function choose "newest first" instead of the default "top comments" and read more comments telling you how to learn more.
The Greenbank observatory radio telescope is absolutely amazing to see irl. Interestingly theres no radio stations, television signal or cell towers allowed in the town. Only landlines, the police and fire station is even restricted to radio for emergencies only to avoid any interference with the dish
Great guest today. Obviously a professional speaker and good at explaining these concepts clearly and in layman's terminology. Very enthusiastic about his line of work, too!
11 minutes in but I can already tell great guest! The cornflakes volume comparison had me in stitches. Students must have loved his classes over the years.
I was a SETI at Home volunteer until BOINC was introduced. I never could get that to work. If a new project gets developed, I hope it is released with the simplicity of the classic format.
@@EventHorizonShow It would have been even better if my ex wife was here. Sadly she run off with my best mate years ago. SIGH ....i still miss him and our chats on convergent evolution, how fc in the drake equation was the real bar to seti and a very low value, how "war of the worlds" is the greatest SF novel, by far, and watching "Forbidden Planet" together when smashed on damn good whiskey. Still at least i`ve kept the cat so life isnt all bad.
I love how SETI is so collaborative with other fields. I just hope that when tools and technology comes to fruition, those same scientists that benefited from SETI’s efforts and tools reciprocate, rather than stigmatize.
It’s heartening to see cooperation with China instead of antagonism. It’s gratifying to see the investment in Chinese students reciprocated now that they have more capability than the US has.
@@aprylvanryn5898Let’s hope it keeps going. I’m sure the captured American State Department would sanction this program if it comes to their attention.
Great ep JMG as always, and very interesting guest. I love international collaboration, and this massive Chinese telescope makes me think about the 3 body problem. Hope it all goes better than that did, if we find anything!
25:51 Has anyone scanned the cosmic microwave background signals in BINARY? I suspect, if there IS an "extra-terrestrial internet", that's how and where it would be. We use microwaves to deploy the internet ourselves, in fact, that's what I'm using as I type this.
27:11 indeed. However, I would like to point out, we have a sample size of ONE, at least for technosignatures, so shouldn't we search for those signatures LIKE ours? (on purpose?) That way we have a better chance of decoding, and understanding the signals? If an extra-terrestrial race uses pheromones to communicate, and then somehow encoded those signals into electronic representations, would we be able to understand them??
They will find us before we find them imo. If they find us from thousands of light years away we will never know as it would take thousands of years for the response to get to us. We will be lucky to have the resources to keep looking for the next thousand years. We have reached the pinnacle already and are on our way backwards now. We will be lucky to be around for another thousand years let alone here and still actively waiting for our response from I love Lucy or the other signals we have sent accidentally or on purpose. However some people think humanity has risen and fallen many times so maybe 10 cycles ago their version of I love Lucy is just arriving and 10 cycles from now the humans will get the response and be so very confused.
"We spend a ton of time training Chinese PhD students! In fact, we just finished teaching them a bunch of new ways to analyze obfuscated or encoded radio signals. They did most of the work - they just needed some KEY bits of info from me to make the leap forward!" 🤦
25 billion bowls of Corn Flakes. What if we filled it with Rice Krispies? SETI on ice? Don't do it, Disney! Also: "We've been trying to contact you about your flying saucer's extended warranty". tavi.
Not to be THAT guy, but that's what they said about JWST. Although I would MUCH rather invest in the search for ETs, its definitely more righteous than any wars or ALLOWING poverty to continue to exist.
@@EventHorizonShow it was designed to peer into the cosmic in the infrared, by proxy that is ideal to search for biosignatures. The primary goal of JWST wasn't ETs, but it is capable of searching for them indirectly, by virtue of its imaging technology.
sure homie but i don’t think that the two things have anything to do with each other. i mean if the US reduced its military budget not even massively just some we could afford both space and eradicate poverty. BUT thats not really the intention of plenty in GOV, unfortunately.
@@AnarchoCatBoyEthan Or. They could reduce the national debt deficit, which the interest each year, is more than the US spend on their whole military in a year. Make your country a proper country again, and there will be plenty money for space projects.
Great show John. I do think that these uap, whatever they are, are an elephant in the room in the SETI discussion though. Not to say that traditional SETI isn’t necessary. I think it’s super interesting. I just want to know what these things in our sky are.
A Galactic internet would either be the greatest thing ever, or the end of the sol system. I'm not sure most of us are ready for that. Hell, we can barely handle the little one we have now. Lol
We will never find anything unless we start to look for spread-spectrum signals and try to guess which coding sequency that would be used by anyone trying to make a "public" transmission. Radio transmission using carrier wave is considered obsolete by ourselves after being used only for 100 years, that's a blink of an eye in a cosmic perspective. Using carriers is simply a waste of energy.. The challenge is to, besides finding the obvious frequency band, find out if there is any obvious frequency coding sequency, (think 1-2-3-4-5) that is likely used 😆👽📡 And what about modulation, is QPSK (or QAM) the ultimate solution or is there possibly something better? We need to practice some brainstorming here.. And maybe do some reverse thinking; assume that we were going to build an insterstellar radio link supposed to be easy for anyone to decode. What technology would be best to use? Edit: What is going on here... Maybe I'm wrong 🤪 th-cam.com/video/-FSkiLqLx60/w-d-xo.html
@27:53 I am already laughing, Radio? We're already using Lasers baby! Much more efficient and you can stuff so much more bandwidth... and we're not listening or signaling in Laser, just saying. We haven't SETI for communication yet.
6:57 I'm enjoying the discussion, gentlemen, but as a business major way back when, I can't help but to wonder...respectfully...whether or not your guest would know if Huawei had any involvement in the construction of the FAST, and, if so, how much...lol...And I assure you: I'm Not looking to open Any cans which would be better left unopened...lol...wormy or otherwise... 🙂
@@EventHorizonShow The Arecibo response was in the form of two crop circles that appeared in a farm close to the Chilbolton radio telescope in 2001, encoded with a message.
The interviewee commented a couple of times that the question was “spot on”. Maybe you can get an interview with Mr. Werthimer and dazzle us with your brilliance !
25 billion bowls of cornflakes?? -- tell me you are american, without telling me you are american... 😅😅 All your Ludacris measurements dont get you any closer to understanding dimensions at all . " 3600 hamburgers tall. Deep as half a hole. It can flush billard balls" jesus Christ guys ... Come on now
"Dark Matter." :: --> Gravity makes space-time wobble. .. This means that gravity is outside of space-time, our spacee-time, that is. .. There are about 7 similar space-times also called "nearby paralell universes." .. One gravity acts on all these space-times. Where we see a galaxy there are about 6 more galaxies combining their gravities. This is why most galaxies appear to spin faster than they should. .. Searching for a dark matter particle or particles is a waste of time. I'll just have to wait and watch. .. Good luck humans. Your science is very small. ..
No offense John but I feel like these guys from SETI are full of shit... its like I'm being messed with and that feeling I can not shake.. doesn't mean I don't love your content though! Thanks
Like and subscribe or the possum will hide John's microphones.
nooo not the possum!!!
Great phish song
[Snarling and Hissing intensifies]
I have an ample supply of off site hidden (buried) microphones in case of trouble.
the answer to the paradox is simply this, unless we build FTL or faster travel methods & go eyeball the stars we will never truly know if anyone is out there... the telescopes are an awesome concept, but they will never find life, so it's really just a distraction from moving forward with exploration... I really feel that religion & political selfishness the fear of the loss of control the ppl is what is preventing us from moving into space...
I was a SETI@Home user and I really enjoyed the experience. It was cool to be a part of it. I hope it comes back just because of the sense of community it created.
Ditto 😊
i was just thinking 10 billion bowls of cornflakes is not quite enough
Especially if they're frosted flakes.
Should of said how many Olympic swimming pools. Could of been worse, could of said egg cups
How many Blue Whales is that? 🐳
Yeah I don't think they'll even like cornflakes . Got to be a better way to get them here.
Got yourself a quarter of a complete breakfast right there.
SETI@Home brings back memories. I remember building an PC from old parts just for SETI. I ran that PC 24HR/7days a week. I am so happy that data is still been useful.
Me too. 😊. Those were the days.
Me three! On a waaaaaay overpriced Gateway lol.
yes yes the screen saver
I did it with an old laptop and 4 old cell phones .😂
An Event Horizon video annnd a JMG channel video, my cup runneth over!!
I hope we discover alien life of any kind while I’m still alive to hear about it. The clock is ticking… come on science!
Look into the mass school sightings at Westall. Australia, 1966. The ruptured UFO in Varginha Brazil that seemed to have several "ufonauts" on the loose. I can recommend the YT site: Eyes on cinema@R. If you look into these cases that include telepathic mass messaging, close encounters and seemingly capture of live speciments you should have gained enough insight to move on at own hand.
Truth are now available and you wont get closer to it by looking at grainy tic tac footage.
Same.
You're an alien
They'll find us if they want.
@@grimmertwin2148 They already have! Seek same comment section but first, In the "sort by" function choose "newest first" instead of the default "top comments" and read more comments telling you how to learn more.
Futurama's smelloscope would detect us in a heartbeat.
Amazing to hear that even with our absurd geopolitical squabbles, together our science marches on. Its a beautiful thing.
The Greenbank observatory radio telescope is absolutely amazing to see irl. Interestingly theres no radio stations, television signal or cell towers allowed in the town. Only landlines, the police and fire station is even restricted to radio for emergencies only to avoid any interference with the dish
thought you said land*mines* for a second there.
Not a bad idea 🧐
"You might be wrong."
"Alright well goodnight then."
Great guest today. Obviously a professional speaker and good at explaining these concepts clearly and in layman's terminology. Very enthusiastic about his line of work, too!
11 minutes in but I can already tell great guest! The cornflakes volume comparison had me in stitches. Students must have loved his classes over the years.
Great interview! Thanks for the episode!
Great guest and topic, thank you John!
Just in time for sleep
Indeed!
I just woke up
I was a SETI at Home volunteer until BOINC was introduced. I never could get that to work.
If a new project gets developed, I hope it is released with the simplicity of the classic format.
I had issues with it showing that it made any progress so I uninstalled it.
Great guest, so down to earth, practicle and smart. Really enjoyed this along with a fine steak and a glass of something with a kick inside. Cheers.
Sounds like a great night.
@@EventHorizonShow It would have been even better if my ex wife was here. Sadly she run off with my best mate years ago. SIGH ....i still miss him and our chats on convergent evolution, how fc in the drake equation was the real bar to seti and a very low value, how "war of the worlds" is the greatest SF novel, by far, and watching "Forbidden Planet" together when smashed on damn good whiskey. Still at least i`ve kept the cat so life isnt all bad.
@@laurencemoore3042I love cats 🐈 too. 😉
@@missfriscowin3606 Beware of anyone that doesnt like cats.
@@laurencemoore3042 I'm really sorry to hear that.
I love how SETI is so collaborative with other fields. I just hope that when tools and technology comes to fruition, those same scientists that benefited from SETI’s efforts and tools reciprocate, rather than stigmatize.
Hey John 👋🏻 just wanted to say you are my Hero! 😊
Thankyou for the upload.
It’s heartening to see cooperation with China instead of antagonism. It’s gratifying to see the investment in Chinese students reciprocated now that they have more capability than the US has.
Yes better than constant beating of the war drums.
Kind of poetic that the infinite vastness of space is bringing a species on a tiny rock in the middle of nowhere together.
@@aprylvanryn5898Let’s hope it keeps going. I’m sure the captured American State Department would sanction this program if it comes to their attention.
The only Event Horizon episode where a guest speaker does bird calls
I loved the Seti @ home screensaver. I miss those days
Looking for life in "time" is genius. 😊 Checking nano second's etc for signals is the best idea iv heard in a while... 👍🇮🇪
Great ep JMG as always, and very interesting guest. I love international collaboration, and this massive Chinese telescope makes me think about the 3 body problem. Hope it all goes better than that did, if we find anything!
I live in persistent fear of Boltzmann Opossums appearing in my home to wreak havoc on my life…
You never know when they’ll come for your dehydrated meats and such.
25:51 Has anyone scanned the cosmic microwave background signals in BINARY? I suspect, if there IS an "extra-terrestrial internet", that's how and where it would be. We use microwaves to deploy the internet ourselves, in fact, that's what I'm using as I type this.
25 billion bowls of corn flakes makes me think of Phil Hartman sitting on top of a pile of cereal bowls in that commercial for Colon Blow.
SNL 😏
SNL 😏
Solid ep.
Great video and information !
Cornflakes comparison had me smiling. 😅
I’m saving this one to a nightly playlist of mine…
The Tag Line Sounds Amazing.
Looking Forward to this One.
Astronomers doesn’t know how wide the Milky Way is? 10k light years?
Awesomeness in a TH-cam vid! TFS, GB :)
I think Webb can with 100 hours of telescope time on lyten star b to get a pixel image
distant then 😂
11:04 LOLOLOLOLOL I LOVE THE WHISTLES!
27:11 indeed. However, I would like to point out, we have a sample size of ONE, at least for technosignatures, so shouldn't we search for those signatures LIKE ours? (on purpose?) That way we have a better chance of decoding, and understanding the signals? If an extra-terrestrial race uses pheromones to communicate, and then somehow encoded those signals into electronic representations, would we be able to understand them??
Great stuff!
They will find us before we find them imo. If they find us from thousands of light years away we will never know as it would take thousands of years for the response to get to us. We will be lucky to have the resources to keep looking for the next thousand years.
We have reached the pinnacle already and are on our way backwards now. We will be lucky to be around for another thousand years let alone here and still actively waiting for our response from I love Lucy or the other signals we have sent accidentally or on purpose. However some people think humanity has risen and fallen many times so maybe 10 cycles ago their version of I love Lucy is just arriving and 10 cycles from now the humans will get the response and be so very confused.
John, you handled this guys huge ego with grace and poise. You are a fantastic interviewer.
I don’t really get that at all what do you mean? Seth Shostak has that vibe but this guy was great imo.
"We spend a ton of time training Chinese PhD students! In fact, we just finished teaching them a bunch of new ways to analyze obfuscated or encoded radio signals. They did most of the work - they just needed some KEY bits of info from me to make the leap forward!"
🤦
Good one
Kellogg's advert. 25B bowls of corn flakes. Could have done with that in the last lockdown
25 billion bowls of Corn Flakes. What if we filled it with Rice Krispies? SETI on ice? Don't do it, Disney! Also: "We've been trying to contact you about your flying saucer's extended warranty". tavi.
Best channel ever 🎉
I'm posting comments here together with our Chinese colleagues.
Nihau👋
Im reading this book about gravity, and i just cant seem to put it down,
Can you share the name of this book? Or did i miss the joke
Not to be THAT guy, but that's what they said about JWST. Although I would MUCH rather invest in the search for ETs, its definitely more righteous than any wars or ALLOWING poverty to continue to exist.
JWST was NEVER designed to look for life.
@@EventHorizonShow it was designed to peer into the cosmic in the infrared, by proxy that is ideal to search for biosignatures. The primary goal of JWST wasn't ETs, but it is capable of searching for them indirectly, by virtue of its imaging technology.
sure homie but i don’t think that the two things have anything to do with each other. i mean if the US reduced its military budget not even massively just some we could afford both space and eradicate poverty. BUT thats not really the intention of plenty in GOV, unfortunately.
@@AnarchoCatBoyEthan
Or. They could reduce the national debt deficit, which the interest each year, is more than the US spend on their whole military in a year.
Make your country a proper country again, and there will be plenty money for space projects.
I would be listening for Doppler shifts versions of sounds or listen out for the space whales
I'll continue to sit here and wait for a telescope that can smell aliens.
Good news, everyone! We found the worst smelling aliens in the galaxy!
can you please balance your volume levels?
John is like one of those celebrities that insist you always say their middle name. He's the opposite of Cher.
I didn't know they measured telescopes in bowls of cornflakes.
Wait! hes looking for the CLANGERS !!
Underwater life is alien for us as much as land is alien for water creatures.
16:44 ya I want to do seti@home again but not really that seti(now with spyware)@home
Bowls of cerial - americans not wanting not to use metric system :D
Anyways, a great episode once again
Great show John. I do think that these uap, whatever they are, are an elephant in the room in the SETI discussion though. Not to say that traditional SETI isn’t necessary. I think it’s super interesting. I just want to know what these things in our sky are.
The world's farthest seeing device is the eye of infinite consciousness. Namaste 🙏
Let me be a part of the search again
What if the Aliens see in Radio or hear in radio or something bizarre like that? Maybe they see in Ultra Violet or X-Ray.
An AI powered telescope can be developed to detect technosignatures. But it should be able to scan fastly.
A Galactic internet would either be the greatest thing ever, or the end of the sol system.
I'm not sure most of us are ready for that. Hell, we can barely handle the little one we have now. Lol
What are the red dots over the galactic bulge?
We will never find anything unless we start to look for spread-spectrum signals and try to guess which coding sequency that would be used by anyone trying to make a "public" transmission.
Radio transmission using carrier wave is considered obsolete by ourselves after being used only for 100 years, that's a blink of an eye in a cosmic perspective. Using carriers is simply a waste of energy..
The challenge is to, besides finding the obvious frequency band, find out if there is any obvious frequency coding sequency, (think 1-2-3-4-5) that is likely used 😆👽📡
And what about modulation, is QPSK (or QAM) the ultimate solution or is there possibly something better? We need to practice some brainstorming here.. And maybe do some reverse thinking; assume that we were going to build an insterstellar radio link supposed to be easy for anyone to decode. What technology would be best to use?
Edit: What is going on here... Maybe I'm wrong 🤪 th-cam.com/video/-FSkiLqLx60/w-d-xo.html
Google says there are 600-700 stars within 60 light years of earth
Telescopes see, not hear
I participated in SETI at Home back in the day…
Today I can’t imagine intentionally opening up my PC’s to China.
Its a Dark Forest out there, we aint finding shit
Watched 3 Body Problem have you?
@27:53 I am already laughing, Radio? We're already using Lasers baby! Much more efficient and you can stuff so much more bandwidth... and we're not listening or signaling in Laser, just saying. We haven't SETI for communication yet.
It would take more than 10 billion bowls of your fiber cereal to equal one bowl of _FAST!_ brand Colon Blow!
restart seti@home id love to run on my computer for science again!
China makes first contact.
6:57 I'm enjoying the discussion, gentlemen, but as a business major way back when, I can't help but to wonder...respectfully...whether or not your guest would know if Huawei had any involvement in the construction of the FAST, and, if so, how much...lol...And I assure you: I'm Not looking to open Any cans which would be better left unopened...lol...wormy or otherwise...
🙂
I wonder if jwst has an undisclosed purpose beyond what we are being told.
All of the science it is doing is planned out down to the minute. And it’s all publicly available, what it’s doing and its data.
Looking for a visual light signal should be for anything square or triangular. 👽
Advanced coms uses phased arrays.
👽🍿🍺
like #8
10th
Why do people keep ignoring the fact that ET did respond to the aracibo message?
Explain what makes you think this.
What did he say?
@@EventHorizonShowit was a possum not an opossum
@@EventHorizonShow The Arecibo response was in the form of two crop circles that appeared in a farm close to the Chilbolton radio telescope in 2001, encoded with a message.
@@DolphLundgrensDolphinDungeon wwwhaat???
It’s a pity that so much anti-Chinese sentiment clouds perceptions of our many, long-term collaborations.
Can I listen to John ask his dumb questions yet again? I am here for the other guy, as usual.
The interviewee commented a couple of times that the question was “spot on”. Maybe you can get an interview with Mr. Werthimer and dazzle us with your brilliance !
Is anyone aware of any research in attempting to understand UAP comms? How they communicate with other UAP? Something to consider…. Best,d©️
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WhAale ...🐳😊
25 billion bowls of cornflakes?? -- tell me you are american, without telling me you are american... 😅😅 All your Ludacris measurements dont get you any closer to understanding dimensions at all . " 3600 hamburgers tall. Deep as half a hole. It can flush billard balls" jesus Christ guys ... Come on now
"Dark Matter." ::
--> Gravity makes space-time wobble. .. This means that gravity is outside of space-time, our spacee-time, that is. .. There are about 7 similar space-times also called "nearby paralell universes." .. One gravity acts on all these space-times. Where we see a galaxy there are about 6 more galaxies combining their gravities. This is why most galaxies appear to spin faster than they should. .. Searching for a dark matter particle or particles is a waste of time.
I'll just have to wait and watch. .. Good luck humans. Your science is very small. ..
What about the HAARP Program? 😮
What about it? Falls under radar etc.
No offense John but I feel like these guys from SETI are full of shit... its like I'm being messed with and that feeling I can not shake.. doesn't mean I don't love your content though! Thanks
This is Ross responding, they aren’t.