Why is There Plutonium in This Star? Przybylski’s Star with David Kipping
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 มี.ค. 2024
- Is HD 101065 or Przybylski’s Star salted with Plutonium?
David Kipping of Cool Worlds lab joins John Michael Godier to discuss the search for exomoons and technosignatures.
Science is full of mysteries, and in astronomy, new mysteries are to be expected. Many get solved, many remain open. But sometimes in the history of astronomy mysteries can go unsolved for so long that they fall into obscurity, even if the implications of what might be happening are profound. One such example is known as Pryzbylski’s star, which first came to my attention half a decade ago.
In 1961, Polish-Australian astronomy Antoni Przybylsky found star that had a very strange spectrum that he thought was very low in iron and nickel, very common metals in the universe, but very high levels of strontium, holmium, yttrium and a number of other rare elements. Since, the iron levels of the star have been found to be low, but not that low. But the presence of the strange elements in this star has only deepened in that work from five years ago hinted at the presence of transuranic elements in the star, which actually puts it on the table as a candidate for a technosignature if those elements are indeed present.
My guest and I have been trying to draw attention to this star with our youtube channels in hopes of encouraging further work into this star. If those elements are present, then whatever is causing them does not seem to be found anywhere else in nature, and may involve cutting edge science in either the formation of elements heavier than plutonium in a star, the island of stability concept in nuclear physics, and the potential for a detection of an alien civilization.
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Kipping, Godier and Przybylski. This gonna rock!
I watched the cool worlds video last week.
You could say, this star is twisted, sister.
@@ryanb9749I want a rock.
Kipping and Godier ='s verbal opium lol
Sounds like a really wild 70's Prog Rock band 😂
Dr. Kipping is by far one of the best guests you have on the show. Thanks for a fantastic interview!
Wow! The two most soothing sleepy voices on TH-cam come together! I am definitely watching this episode at least 30 times till i reach the end after that much good night sleep! Thanks John and David for offering us the resting sleep we need on difficult and hard days of work.
Same my friend lmao, same!
So nice to see others also find solace in listening about space and science to recharge and ease into slumber; as I do.
Add in "The Entire History of the Universe" for the ultimate listening session ❤❤❤
@@cabanford Will do! Thanks for the heads up
I'm not sure it's complimentary to say that these two people put you to sleep.
Always a treat when my two favorite science TH-camrs team up.
Heh.. I fired this up in hopes of inviting some sleep into my life, but I have to say.. I am wide awake hanging on to every word.. Going to save the rest of this cast for tomorrow. Congratulations, Dr. Kipping on snagging JWST! And thank you, Mr. Godier for what you do.. Good night, folks!
Wonderful!
Artificial radiation signatures emitting from a natural structure?!? Sounds like an alien techno signature to me. 370 light years away though, that's far.
@@cedrichunter9759feels close though in comparison to other objects…
Man when my favorite TH-cam creators collaborate like David kipping & J.M.G. I'm in heaven, straight gold, I love it.!.
Lmao & I haven't even started the episode yet, I'm just that excited.
And it’s over an hour!
I know.!. I'm mad excited, about to dive into it right now,
& Honestly good sir, I'd just like thank you for your content, it truly brings joy to my day getting to listen to you.
Yeahhh.. I clicked on this IMMEDIATELY and stopped what I was doing. LoL
Awesome 🤙
Hope you enjoyed it!
Hope you aren't a pilot..
@@pauliusUwUhahahaha 🤣 👌
@@EventHorizonShowincredibly good, thank you!!
O@@EventHorizonShow be a fan of both of you and many other creative artists, scientists, doctors, rebuilders of engines, and structures. TH-cam has a lot to offer the mind.
Ever since you mentioned Przybylski star on your JMG channel I’ve obsessed over finding more information about it, and I couldn’t find anything that was recently published.
Glad that it finally getting a deep dive interview on EH!
Godtier!
Two of my favorite chill voices discussing super interesting content. This is bedtime gold.
Good God, I'm such an idiot; I started listening and was like: "hmm, that voice is familiar"... until John mentioned the Cool Worlds channel (which is phenomenal) my dumb brain made the connection.
Whenever I see a David and John interview i know its gonna be a good one. Literally my 2 favorite science based TH-cam creators.
we're so lucky the some of the most proliferic astro-creators are good buds as well and show up on the other's vids. Great episode JMG!
I think Kipping's approach of 'forced agnosticism' is the correct one. I'm glad he touched on scientific epistemology. I don't think that is considered nearly enough in our public debates.
I talked with a Physicist about this star and he just said: I am sure a lot of people look into this! But apparently not a lot of people actually do. If the measurements are correct however, this might be one of the best chances to look at the island of stability and other weird phenomena in heavy elements.
I have no academic background in astronomy but I strongly assume something wrong with the measurements itself but if the measurements are correct I´d assume something like a micro black hole or a neutron-star like object to be inside it potentially it just got caught or something. But nevertheless it´s one of the most interesting objects I came across so far.
The channel might really have an impact on the scientific work on this anomally.
So delighted to hear Dr. Kipping on Event Horizon with John Micheal Godier! I was hooked every second of it and can't wait to hear more on his developments on exo-moon formations throughout the universe!
Great Episode!
This could only be topped by having JMG, David Kipping and Matt O'Dowd together
Godier & Kipping 🤔 Sounds like co-authors to an up coming paper 😁 Love the episode ‼️
Dr Kipping : I'll ask the internet what to call exomoons.
The Internet : Moony McMoon Face.
You forgot 420 and 69.
@@ryanb9749Underrated. No metric to measure it by. Just completely and in all ways underrated...
Moon moons.
@@ryanb9749 Nice!!
That's exactly the name I was looking for when a youtube naming poll was mentioned xD
I always love it when you have David on John....He is my favorite and the Cool Worlds channel next to yours is one of the best on TH-cam period. 😊
JMG AND David Kipping?
Absolutely love it.
Cool Event Horizon Worlds , the best possible combination❣💯👌Thank you very much gentlemen.... Together with Anton Petrov you are my favourite TH-camrs to watch and listen.
Yeah, these guys are first class
Same
Add Isaac to that list for me!
Congratulations, David Kipping on your recent tenure at Columbia!!! So happy for you, love your work.
This content is why I subscribe to this channel. Good stuff!
A video with JMG and David Kipping…yes please. I follow both people so tonight I get to listen to both at once.
The low absorption of green light (500-600 nm) is due to the plants optimizing for both blue (400-500 nm) and red light (600-700 nm). Peak absorption of light is a curve within the blue and red spectrum making the low point of the absorption curve green.
back when we didnt have high powered leds and lithium batteries i used to make bike lights with extended runtimes. part of that was using an aqua green light. your eyes adjust to it after about 15mins and it becomes brighter than you would get a white light to shine.
i loved going through the forests full of blue trees and plants.
they all turn a dark blueish green in that light.
its really pretty.
Oh man you guys, Issac Arthur and Fraiser Cain are the best on the Tube. Keep up good work gentlemen.
Issac Arthur is the man! I don't know who's episode will be better with j.m.g. Arthur or kipping, I haven't watched this episode yet but I'm about to find out.
So stoked to hear you mention Spinoza’s God, I am a massive proponent of Spinozan Pantheism and respecting the divinity of the universal fundamental. I wish more people felt the sense of reverence and divinity for that which not only lay right in front of us but composes us and is quite literally within and without us. There’s beauty missed with considering this universe cold, dark, and void, whereas you can see it all as the beautiful workings of the Divine Whole!
So very happy that you both are collaborating and bringing attention to this. This really feels like the next big step after looking for exoplanets.
It's a great day when two of my favorite science youtubers talk to each other! Especially on Przybylski's star!
Nice just in time for evening walk. Thanks JMG and Dr Kipping
Dear Mr. Godier,I hope this message finds you well. My name is James Murphy, and I'm a regular listener of your "Event Horizon" podcast. I've always found the topics you cover both enlightening and engaging, which speaks volumes about the effort you put into your work.I'm reaching out to inquire about the background music used in your episodes. There's a particular piece that resonates with me, and I was hoping to learn more about it-its title, the artist, or where I might find it. Your selection enhances the ambiance of the discussions, and this piece, in particular, has caught my attention.I understand you're quite busy, and I appreciate any information you can provide, whenever it's convenient for you.Thank you for your time and for the incredible content you create. It's greatly appreciated by myself and many others.Warm regards, James Murphy
Hi James, this is Ross the producer responding. Thank you for the kind words. Do you know what time in the episode the music plays?
It's the music that plays at the 4:30 mark
John and David… what a treat 🥰
Omg DAVID KIPPING!! This is sooooooo awesome having him on here!! This is soooooo cool!!
Also this star does indeed look as though it is a technosignature
Here’s more episodes with Prof. Kipping.
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How exciting! I hadn't heard Dr Kipping and team finally got accepted to use JWST! Congrats! As always, hearing both of you discuss these things is always such a treat. :)
Ooo oo I know an answer to this one! I read a cool paper once postulating that plants don't absorb green light because the intensity of green light varies throughout the day with solar intensity, causing spikes of energy that are too much for the plants to absorb and troughs where there's not enough green light to absorb. Instead, plants target blue and red light, the intensity of which --- when added together -- stays remarkably constant throughout the day (red light in the early/late day and blue light predominating in the middle). This gives the plant a very stable energy source. This might be more valuable than fully taking advantage of the peak intensities of your star.
Thank you kindly for this ya Champion!
JMG. I freakin love you, dude. Everything you say melts my heart. You make such a noticeable effort to remain agnostic on literally every front. I really appreciate the way your brain works. Keep up the great work.
Fantastic interview, thanks to both JMG and Dr. Kipping :)
One of the absolute best channels on TH-cam
Two of my favorite people on TH-cam!! Awesome!
Another fantastic interview, John! 😃
Dr. Kipping is great!
About that star, if that's a technosignal, I know exactly what it means: stay away! 😬
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Actually, it is the hugest display window they could make. It says, Cheapest high quality Plutonium in galaxy! Do not seek any further, fly right to us!
@@u.v.s.5583 Makes sense as well... 🤔
Coming to videos i haven't seen yet. Each is a treat of its own, waiting to be discovered. I love all of them. Thanks jmg.
My two favorite space TH-camrs talking about my favorite star. It's a good day!!
It may not be what he’d be into personally, but I think David would do well as a like Brian Cox level science communicator. Not that Cool Worlds isn’t a big channel, but giving whole tours etc. he has a calm approach and uses easy to understand yet effective example to explain concepts
Two of the best voices in Astrophysics ❤
always a pleasure when you have Dr. Kipping on the podcast
Two of my favorites! I'm so happy that David's team got time of JWST! That will be so exciting to keep up with the updates! ❤ love you guys!❤
What a surprise to hear David Kipping on this channel.
You got me hooked on cool worlds im glad john did a followup video
I've been really hoping to get a video on this star. Super exciting!
What a fantastic interview! Thanks to you both.
Could listen to you and Kipping all day, absolutely love it!! Cheers
Really loved this podcast. Not sure how I feel about that last bit though. I really like and admire David's usual stance about being agnostic. It feels really really presumptuous to declare that the universe is likely devoid of intelligent life because it seems like it isn't full of it. It's a very extreme and large conclusion to arrive at based on something completely un-empirical (The thought experiment about chemistry). Because as David says just before that, once you develop a prior you also develop confirmation bias for that prior.
Two of the best youtubers at the same time in the same place. Turns out to be a good combo.
Science: Building a nice, elegant theoretical model then having the Godzilla of observation pay a visit.
Horizontal time 🛌 listening to video while I close my eyes.
Love Dr Kipping and his Cool Worlds channel (not as much as yours obviously! 😉) this episode is going to be awesome.
Did we ever figure out what's going on with Tabby's star? JWST needs to look at these two stars ASAP.
We're not 100% sure on a SPECIFIC cause for the dimming, but AFAIK the dimming has by now generally been agreed to seem to be dust-based dimming, like that it has a partial dust-cloud around it that occludes the star to various degrees. The visual signal faded much more than its IR signature, as I recall, and we have other stars with similar 'less visual but not-so-less IR fading' behavior that we're pretty sure on the source of. So we're not SURE on what exactly it is, but I think only the nutjobs are still hoping it's an uneven Dyson sphere. The leading theory is a partial planetary dust cloud or the like.
So it's still a bit of a mystery, but only in details, not in "Are there aliens there or not?!" Ah, in fact, right from the Wikipedia page, "The latest results have ruled out explanations involving only opaque objects such as stars, planets, swarms of asteroids, or alien megastructures." The only big confusion about 'planetary dust cloud' would be that the star is a 'normal F-type' of adequate age as to no longer have a proto-planetary disk, so if there is dust, we aren't sure WHY there might be, even though we seem to think it to be the best candidate for 'what could cause the observed dimming'. There is no 'protoplanetary disk', but we think the proto-disk option is the best fit answer for what we observe...confusion! Maybe a planet broke up somehow, who knows. So the mystery of Tabby's Star is much REDUCED, but not totally ended yet.
I would totally like to crowd fund a telescope that just looks at these wonky stars all the time. Lets figure out what these fellas are up to!
One of my all time favorites episodes. Commenting for the algo, the word needs to get out.
Thank you!
I really hope davids team is the first to discover an exo moon, he deserves it for not taking the safe scientific path. I could of listened to you two chatting about space all day.
I've known about the island of stability for years but recently also heard about the potential continent of stability, which would be even more interesting. Wonder what the spectral signature of that stuff would be.
You guys should definitely do more videos together, great synergy and perfect voies and knowledge for so much science content.
Glad to have DR. Kipping back I love his channel Cool Worlds 💙 you guys both do some incredible work
Excited for this one!
Hey thanks, in the 1st 10 minutes you answered my questions about how feasible it is to see what types of exomoons and where. That's great.
As for green stars I recall that there was a story by Poul Anderson with such a sun and it was explained as happening because the emission spectrum of an object narrows as it's temperature increases. This fictional star was leaving the main sequence and heating up so the narrowed part of its spectrum happened to be passing through the green wavelengths. Whether this can work on the scale of a sun in the real world might be questionable.
Great show John!!
Regarding the UAP videos and pilots stating they've seen uap whilst flying.. I disagree with Kipping's point that of course things are going to happen sometimes out of thousands and thousands of flight hours and that sometimes pilots are going to get it wrong and think they saw something anomalous when they really didn't, so that it could just be pilot error. That's not taking into account AT ALL that various pilots have said there were times they'd see these same things every single day for weeks or months. That absolutely ISN'T just thinking you saw something anomalous once out of thousands of flight hours.
I think his argument is that during one million flight hours you will definitely find an entire squad of pilots that are all sky high on extasy, mushrooms, marijuana and other illicit substances.
What a trio
Great video and information !
thanks so much gents… great talk 🤙🏼
Jaques Vallee noted decades ago that measurement outliers in astronomy were usually disregarded out of hand, and generally never made it into the usually accepted data sets. Following Sagan's diktat, a star showing actinides let alone plutonium in its spectra should be rejected out of hand as almost certainly a bad data set or a very wrong interpretation. Only when there are dozens of confirmed observations should the presence of actinides be considered a possibility.
When I was in High School in Houston in the 1970's, we were told it was theoretically impossible for planets to change orbits to any significant extent. This was pounded into our heads in lectures and discussions, along with the impossibility of making hydrocarbons without geology and plants.The latter, of course, was simply Soviet Science propaganda and therefore has to be dismissed as entirely invalid.
Eeeerrrrrmmm could we just humble ourselves a little... science is not full of mysteries, the Universe is. Science is just discovering the mysteries....
Let's humble ourselves a little. Thank you for the upload excited to wstch
The "fine tuning" hypothesis is the best example of observational bias there is. By that thinking, the arctic is amazingly tuned to the polar bear and my local reservoir is somehow tuned to the smallmouth bass that live in it.
That was great, thank you.
The null result, not finding a moon might be more interesting for science, but I don't believe for a second that Dr Kipping is "hoping" for that to be the case.
I have followed his channel for quite a while and his dedication and passion for finding an exo-moon only leads me to hope that his name is forever linked to the first confirmed discovery of one. It makes it even more poetic if it is found around a planet he discovered.
I'm flying to Sulfur Springs, Texas, for the April eclipse this week! Near four and a half minutes of totality! This is going to be fabulous! I am incredibly excited about this! Obviously.🤯😛😜🤪😝
34:58 at that level of mass, given the implication that a civilization would be dumping that material in, it's plausible or at the very least on the list. Question is... would this be... the most efficient method to signal "we're here" or would this be the most efficient means of disposal or does this serve a purpose we've yet to understand about stellar mechanics? Dunno about other people, but when you consider the "cost" and rate it over purpose, without getting into the "absurd" (read absolutes and beyond) ... it doesn't seem like something a civilization would be doing.
They're not modulating it, just pumping it through, if it's a message. That leaves to be desired, as messages go, because it could be natural or someone would assume it's natural in the absence of that modulation.
What's the point of disposing it into the sun? Could just as well use it for something else or just shoot it out of the system.
Which leaves a mechanic we yet understand. Well, it could be anything, could be natural - could be something they're doing to alter (somehow - for some purpose) what the star does. Which is a bit beyond my pay grade.
So IMO, plausible, but only by skin of it. A hair away from being nothing at all and just a peculiarity we don't comprehend. Be it at the user end or at that end.
Or are we being way to narcissistic here in assuming this is an attempt to signal us?
Maybe this is merely what Kardashev 2 industry looks like when a civ gets around to star lifting and nucleosynthesis?😊
To me, it seems most likely that it's simply a natural process that we either lack the instrument fidelity to properly observe and identify or one that we are just unfamiliar with. In the 19th century, astronomers believed the Sun was emitting a new element, which was named "coronium" -- but it was later found that it was simply iron that was very heavily ionized. This was also the case with "nebulium," a "new" element that was found in spectroscopic observations of the Cat's Eye nebula in the late 19th century -- that turned out to just be ionized oxygen. It's very possible that what we see in Przbylski's star are simply very normal elements that are in an environment or ionized state that we are unfamiliar with.
Just going with the alien hypothesis for a moment, as I listened I was thinking that plutonium is not nuclear waste, why not use it for power generation? Perhaps an advanced civilization has fusion and doesn't need that stuff anymore. They decide it is dangerous to keep around and dispose of it in their star so no one can retrieve it. But it will probably turn out to be some rare natural explanation.
The moon thing is very interesting. Cant wait for results!
My two most favorite guys, love it!
Congratulations David! Such an amazing feat to get 72 hours of JWST. You're going to make history
Has SETI taken a look at the Przybylski’s Star or the system it's in?
amazing discovery ❤
Killer combo in terms of host and guest.
Hi John I love the artwork at one minute in, where is it from? In fact I often like the artwork you include in your videos so if you can signpost me to where I can see more that would be great! Thanks for everything you do, Samuel 😊
Two of my favorites
Great interview John! I really enjoyed it. It is sad to hear the ignorance of David around UAP. I wish these folk would take the time to review the history before making judgments …this area needs as many scientific minds as we can get to understand this phenomena.
Its kind of a wierd status quo bias. A lot of these guys probably have more interest/belief in the subject that they let on, but to show it means ridicule. And show it to much and you might as well just change fields, because the entire community of science will literally turn its back to them.
Its an outdated stigma.
Much like the idea "The true knowledge of the government on UAPs would send civilization into a panic and the world would collapse."
Dude, you could prove they were real and ate here to feed on us and I guarantee 4/5 people would just turn the channel. 1/3 would believe it was lies even if president introduced them in a state of the union and told us everything.
Full disclosure would only confirm what we all already know, and for the rest who are self absorbed? They will be totally unaffected.
Luvv to hear details of planets and moons ...including mining interests and how makeup creates space bodies relationships, interactions and paths in space.
I see SV’s and citations and hit subscribe. :) Can’t wait for the science-y rabbit hole adventures you’re facilitating for me, here!
Anton Petrov has a pretty interesting TH-cam channel called "What da math?"
He did a video about Przybylski's star about 2 months ago.
He’s a wonderful person.
This will tuck me in tonight 🙂
It’s shocking that the mother of all anomalous astronomical objects in Prybylski’s star is mostly unheard of and completely ignored by professional astronomers.
Leaving aside the alien hypothesis, Prybylski’s star converges many scientific disciplines and nearly breaks many well establish models across those disciplines. That alone is a reason why Prybylski’s star should be thoroughly researched by top scientists in Astronomy, Physics, Chemistry and more.
Q: What more could be learned about Prybylski’s star via JWST or the future Vera Rubin or Nancy Roman Grace telescopes?
It's drawn a number of observation studies, but there's only so much we can learn with our current technology. JWST probably wouldn't be able to provide any better information than ground-based observations either -- it's designed for infrared observations of the farthest reaches of the observable universe, and stellar spectroscopy of what is essentially a neighbor in comparison works just as well from an Earth observatory as it does in a space-based telescope.
Sadly, it seems that there are a lot of academics that will not look in the obvious place for possible techno signatures. (See the places the Mars rovers are placed, for examples)
They don’t want to find it and mock anybody doing real science.
This is another reason I enjoy listening to JMG and Professor Kipping among others, they will look at all of it with an open mind while staying grounded.
I was excited to watch this one
I can’t believe I requested this and it was made possible , maybe just a coincidence, either way I’m very grateful ☺️
Hope you enjoyed it!
Stoked for Tabby star.
Well done getting that JWST time David. It's great news.
Kipping is a great guest
Omg! I can't wait to watch this after I finish a few things and can try to relax. You're awesome!! 😊🌎❤️🕺🏻🐶🛸
Have fun!
David talks about visuals, there were also FLIR, radar and underwater sonic velocity measurements. Than questions about bodies. Nonhuman bodies were found among crashes.
Cool Worlds is a brilliant channel !!