*Folks, please SUBSCRIBE if you're new. or like this if you're a REGULAR & enjoyed it!* 00:00 - Introduction 00:22 - Subscribe to us and Tool Finder - toolfinder.xyz/ 00:42 - What is Microsoft Loop? 01:40 - Workspaces, Pages & Components 02:34 - Loop Components 03:25 - Microsoft Loop Announcement Video 05:45 - Public Preview Demo 06:35 - Jump Start AI Suggestions 09:15 - Create a Microsoft Loop Component 12:18 - Personal Opinions 12:37 - Where is Microsoft Loop headed? 14:02 - Loop & AI 14:32 - Notion vs Loop: Good & Bads 15:30 - Predictions why Microsoft Loop Could Get Edge 17:01 - Summary
Remember Notion has been in the Market for about 7 years. Microsoft Loop still has a long way to go, and this Public preview will give feedback to the team to improve Loop.
we will see in the future, there is a lot of integrations in notion. If MS goes hard on the AI copilot tool, i can definitely see me switching to loop.
I think it is most ironic and sad in retrospect that Google killed its Google Wave product. That was kinda this - a precursor to both Notion and Loop in some ways (obviously it was a different product, but the ideas were there). I was a big fan of Wave, so I am both sad on their behalf and amused right now. They were clearly too early...
@@technosopher I could not resist so I tried Google and it only replied with information about its Feedback Loop service and a lot of articles to people asking the same question. Being outside US/UK and there being a waitlist I could not ask Google Bard (their AI chatbot). But I could ask Bing (and also asked it to translate the answer to english) and this is what it had to say: "Sure, I can repeat the answer in English. In this context, a human might say: Google’s answer to Microsoft Loop is not clearly defined, but some possible candidates are Google Workspace, Google Forms and Google Docs. These are all tools that let you collaborate with others on documents, forms and projects . If you want to know more about Microsoft Loop, you can see this page." (its source reference links did not survive the copy/paste) Personally of course I cannot help but think of Google Wave, which in some ways was Notion/Loops forerunner but didn't know it yet, and Google killed it. As I was a huge Google Wave fan at the time, I cannot really get over that fully 😅
Best way to think of it is as the new Prompt architecture for your automations. Use it like Notion, but anything you'd like to save as a prompt for your automations, use a component. You can use this to build entire AI prompting / programming systems, and build the basis dataset that Copilot will plug into.
Could you expand on how exactly that works? Or what features I should look at that can be used for holding prompts. This is something I'm actively looking at. Notion databases aren't great for this functionally and I don't want to store my prompts in any of these chrome extensions for prompting that could disappear tomorrow Thanks
@@saffire301 the components feature is key. You can use these to collect all the priming/prompting information you need, or data tables, etc. Currently it's nowhere near as robust as notion, but the Components feature and future with Copilot is already a Notion killer for me, but I won't speak too soon. A component can be used across Loop, and across 365. What I'm doing currently is saving all my conversations from chatGPT in Loop. This way, I can review the conversation, mark the most useful segments and prompts as Components, and then use the copy/paste component code to build stacked prompt systems from multiple chats. So, I can have pre -ready prompts that I can compile into different programs (pages). Then, next time I'm using chatGPT or ask GPT to access Loop, I can better engineer prompts from these stacked components, or ask gpt to find a better prompt that encompasses all elements. Something like that. But also, with Copilot on the way, much of those extra steps (i.e. copying/pasting from chatGPT, or integrating GPT) will be unnecessary. So far, the Copilot feature of Loop has been "over capacity" for me. But this app is clearly for us to create a center point for our data, and to prepare for Copilot.
It looks cool and shockingly similar to notion. There isn't currently a reason for me to switch though. Loop has to provide more than notion and for me, right now, it does just the same or less.
@@B-Rex Microsoft account is different from Microsoft 365 account. M365 is for enterprise users. You don't need M365 account to use loop, it works with normal Microsoft account.
Trying it now but it can't keep up with the demand, super slow and buggy ATM. So far it looks exactly like Notion, hopefully they have good sketching capabilities to make it BETTER than Notion.
I actually started a Notion for my team and really love it and was ready to introduce to the team then I tumbled upon Loop, and now I'm trying to get it work the same way, but it seems Notion is still much more featured packed at the moment. I'll have to make Loop work for now as I'm sure it'll progress eventually. Really wish the OneNote and Planner integration was already live
What is Notion's killer feature? When a friend was giving me a demo it just seemed like a generic implementation of all the specific tools we already use e.g. KanBan board, whiteboard/canvas, Gantt, notetaking, to do, wiki... etc. I couldn't quite make up my mind where exactly we would fit it in. But everytime I hear people rave about it I feel like I am missing something.
@@PotentChr0nic the hidden catch is that it takes a bit of effort to learn the notion ecosystem in order to build something specifically customized to your use case. If you try to use someone else's templates, it will feel generic. If you take time to make your own from a blank page, it will feel like a superpower. The killer feature for me could not be the same for you. That's kind of the point. It is extremely flexible.
In the workspace sidebar, if you hover over the purple plus button, you’ll see an “Add external link” option where you can attach your Word or Excel files to the Loop workspace.
I totally get that Loop is still in its infancy, but there are some pretty fundamental capabilities missing. For a start, how about a way to embed a video, or an image gallery? It's yet another example of how disconnected the MS ecosystem can be. Where's Adaptive Card support for instance, or the ability to connect to a dataset from Dataverse. I'm still holding out hope that all of these features will emerge over time, but for now it's more of a gimmick than a usable product.
Wow looks very interesting 🤔 do you think they're is a tool coming if you want to migrate from one platform to another? I only just started playing around with the AI functionality in notion the other month and wow
I still haven't found anything to replace Apple notes on my mac. It may not be as sexy but I still can organize my life and many don't even know you can create folders and subfolders within Notes. Just use what is best for you.
What I hope is that it includes all the features that come with Notion, including a database, the way it's displayed, etc In its current version, it's still too far from Notion for me to switch to
I have played around with it... but... well... it is no where near Notion. Not even close, it is buggy, has a few options and... and you have to copy paste it. It doesn't link to anything in a fast an easy way. I am actually quite Underprised.
Why just not make this as one of the mods of OneNote (like Whiteboard and Journal could be too), so they could have a single note taking app and not multiple ones?
My goal is to use Loop to avoid as much MS as possible so I can be productive. I hope MS had a design team and the dev team actually listened to them. I don't have high expectations.
What can we do with loop without the Loop software? Microsoft talked to us but refused to show us any of this because IT didn't enable Loop so as far as I can tell Loop is just a bullet point list with a border. I'm confused why MS would come to us and talk to us about nothing.
@@toolfinderhq I'm serious, i want databases in loop, can you imagine an integration with power automate that can insert data automatically in loop from a CRM/erp or other software? Yee i hope they will upgrade it in the future
The Loop app is not enabled in your organization. Loop must be enabled by your admin to log in and collaborate within your organization. tried from E5 Developer account but i cant login
Just tried it out. Not impressed. The Loop component is pretty interesting, but I wish it sorta worked the other way around also; that is, being able to drag-and-drop Microsoft 360 elements into flexible task management views. Imagine a KanBan board view where every "task" is a live Outlook email thread (or Conversation) with a basic to-do list & media attachment functionality embedded into each "task container." When you open a task, you get to view the live email thread. Based on the email thread info, you can decide to move that "task" into the appropriate KanBan lane. As it stands, I just don't see how anyone could find this a useful alternative to Notion. It has maybe 5%-10% of Notion's capabilities. HARD PASS.
I have ADHD and currently use Notion and love it! I’m disappointed at the lack of databases in Loop. LONG way to go but definitely useful for teams. My only issue now is that it doesn’t really expand all that well on what Teams already does…. Will see how the preview goes and what gets added
Hilarious there's Wiki pages in here. MS went to war against Wiki pages in Teams and even built a terrible conversion tool that sort of gets your wiki pages into notes while ruining all functionality and breaking formatting. Bold of you to taunt us tools MS recently uncerimouniously and suddenly depreciated.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:22 - Subscribe to us and Tool Finder - toolfinder.xyz/
00:42 - What is Microsoft Loop?
01:40 - Workspaces, Pages & Components
02:34 - Loop Components
03:25 - Microsoft Loop Announcement Video
05:45 - Public Preview Demo
06:35 - Jump Start AI Suggestions
09:15 - Create a Microsoft Loop Component
12:18 - Personal Opinions
12:37 - Where is Microsoft Loop headed?
14:02 - Loop & AI
14:32 - Notion vs Loop: Good & Bads
15:30 - Predictions why Microsoft Loop Could Get Edge
17:01 - Summary
Remember Notion has been in the Market for about 7 years. Microsoft Loop still has a long way to go, and this Public preview will give feedback to the team to improve Loop.
You could say it’s a feedback loop ;)
if only MS tools are as good as the animations that they show in intro videos... kudos to the creative team of MS...
This is very true
Animations are probably done by a professional studio outside Microsoft
@@BlackPantherElite at the size of microsoft they prob have their own team lol
@@rano12321 small companies do. Microsoft, Google and Samsung definently make their own ads
@@feuerherz007 MS has in fact outsourced this type of video ads to an external agency.
will it have databases as in notion?
That would be great
we will see in the future, there is a lot of integrations in notion. If MS goes hard on the AI copilot tool, i can definitely see me switching to loop.
Loop, Planner, Project Desktop, Project Online, Project for the Web, Lists, To Do...which MS app for tracking tasks to choose?
I think it is most ironic and sad in retrospect that Google killed its Google Wave product. That was kinda this - a precursor to both Notion and Loop in some ways (obviously it was a different product, but the ideas were there). I was a big fan of Wave, so I am both sad on their behalf and amused right now. They were clearly too early...
I love the task, docs all-in-one workspace like notion, clickup, now Microsoft loop - BUT where is GOOGLE?!
We need to Google it 😂
@@technosopher I could not resist so I tried Google and it only replied with information about its Feedback Loop service and a lot of articles to people asking the same question. Being outside US/UK and there being a waitlist I could not ask Google Bard (their AI chatbot). But I could ask Bing (and also asked it to translate the answer to english) and this is what it had to say:
"Sure, I can repeat the answer in English. In this context, a human might say:
Google’s answer to Microsoft Loop is not clearly defined, but some possible candidates are Google Workspace, Google Forms and Google Docs. These are all tools that let you collaborate with others on documents, forms and projects . If you want to know more about Microsoft Loop, you can see this page." (its source reference links did not survive the copy/paste)
Personally of course I cannot help but think of Google Wave, which in some ways was Notion/Loops forerunner but didn't know it yet, and Google killed it. As I was a huge Google Wave fan at the time, I cannot really get over that fully 😅
@@tomrberg wowwww .. you really went through it 🤩🤩🤩
Personally I feel loop should work on mechanisms to import data from notion.
Google already has smart canvas
Best way to think of it is as the new Prompt architecture for your automations.
Use it like Notion, but anything you'd like to save as a prompt for your automations, use a component.
You can use this to build entire AI prompting / programming systems, and build the basis dataset that Copilot will plug into.
Could you expand on how exactly that works? Or what features I should look at that can be used for holding prompts. This is something I'm actively looking at. Notion databases aren't great for this functionally and I don't want to store my prompts in any of these chrome extensions for prompting that could disappear tomorrow
Thanks
@@saffire301 the components feature is key. You can use these to collect all the priming/prompting information you need, or data tables, etc. Currently it's nowhere near as robust as notion, but the Components feature and future with Copilot is already a Notion killer for me, but I won't speak too soon.
A component can be used across Loop, and across 365.
What I'm doing currently is saving all my conversations from chatGPT in Loop.
This way, I can review the conversation, mark the most useful segments and prompts as Components, and then use the copy/paste component code to build stacked prompt systems from multiple chats. So, I can have pre -ready prompts that I can compile into different programs (pages).
Then, next time I'm using chatGPT or ask GPT to access Loop, I can better engineer prompts from these stacked components, or ask gpt to find a better prompt that encompasses all elements.
Something like that. But also, with Copilot on the way, much of those extra steps (i.e. copying/pasting from chatGPT, or integrating GPT) will be unnecessary.
So far, the Copilot feature of Loop has been "over capacity" for me. But this app is clearly for us to create a center point for our data, and to prepare for Copilot.
What do you think about notion v loop for just one person to project manage? A dedicated ecosystem is helpful
Microsoft is my favorite tech corporation, but I wish their services were as good as their ads' animations
It looks really cool, but lack of databases is a dealbreaker for me.
I was able to test it. I was hoping for more, given the long waiting time.
Is there any "timeline" or rough estimate as when it might be out of "Public Preview" and hopefully "default" in the Microsoft suite?
No.
I use Notion as my personal Wiki. Loop seems more geared towards teams but I will at least check it out.
One issue could be migrations from Notion or Confluence.
It looks cool and shockingly similar to notion. There isn't currently a reason for me to switch though. Loop has to provide more than notion and for me, right now, it does just the same or less.
Great work on the video Francesco! I must enable the ‘Jump Start’ feature that suggests content to add to my workspace.
So what does this mean for OneNote? Loop seems to be the superior notetaking app
You can use Loop as a standalone app, that's what I'm currently using. You don't need other Microsoft app to use loop.
Do you have to have a 365 account to make things work?
@@B-Rex NO, you don't need 365 account to use it
Yes you do I just tried today and it says you need a Microsoft account….
@@B-Rex Microsoft account is different from Microsoft 365 account. M365 is for enterprise users. You don't need M365 account to use loop, it works with normal Microsoft account.
@@B-Rex You need a Microsoft account, but you don't need a 365 subscription
When will the app be available?
Trying it now but it can't keep up with the demand, super slow and buggy ATM. So far it looks exactly like Notion, hopefully they have good sketching capabilities to make it BETTER than Notion.
Would be nice if you could have actual excel files as part of a workspace with working macros.
Does it replace Asana? Or will Asana integrate with Loop?
I actually started a Notion for my team and really love it and was ready to introduce to the team then I tumbled upon Loop, and now I'm trying to get it work the same way, but it seems Notion is still much more featured packed at the moment. I'll have to make Loop work for now as I'm sure it'll progress eventually. Really wish the OneNote and Planner integration was already live
What is Notion's killer feature? When a friend was giving me a demo it just seemed like a generic implementation of all the specific tools we already use e.g. KanBan board, whiteboard/canvas, Gantt, notetaking, to do, wiki... etc. I couldn't quite make up my mind where exactly we would fit it in. But everytime I hear people rave about it I feel like I am missing something.
@@PotentChr0nic the hidden catch is that it takes a bit of effort to learn the notion ecosystem in order to build something specifically customized to your use case. If you try to use someone else's templates, it will feel generic. If you take time to make your own from a blank page, it will feel like a superpower. The killer feature for me could not be the same for you. That's kind of the point. It is extremely flexible.
Thank you for sharing this video. How do you attach Word or Excel files into a Loop?
They haven’t done that since it’s in private view😒
In the workspace sidebar, if you hover over the purple plus button, you’ll see an “Add external link” option where you can attach your Word or Excel files to the Loop workspace.
@@VivekMogalapalli What are the conditions to make this work? Do I have to input the document share link?
I totally get that Loop is still in its infancy, but there are some pretty fundamental capabilities missing. For a start, how about a way to embed a video, or an image gallery? It's yet another example of how disconnected the MS ecosystem can be. Where's Adaptive Card support for instance, or the ability to connect to a dataset from Dataverse. I'm still holding out hope that all of these features will emerge over time, but for now it's more of a gimmick than a usable product.
Is Kanban board available to insert ?
Not yet in preview version
@@OranTino thanks for the update. I am a dev and I was looking forward to loop for so long.
so it is basically a polished onenote but more connected and synced across many application
I don't have workspaces. I only have the option to create pages and components, what's that all about?
Wow looks very interesting 🤔 do you think they're is a tool coming if you want to migrate from one platform to another? I only just started playing around with the AI functionality in notion the other month and wow
Where do we get the public proview?
loop.microsoft.com/
I still haven't found anything to replace Apple notes on my mac. It may not be as sexy but I still can organize my life and many don't even know you can create folders and subfolders within Notes. Just use what is best for you.
I like the concept but if you just got your team to use teams, this seems redundant unless it can work from teams channels
Well, it will be very interesting. Now I am using CODA, but I am always ready to try new things haha
What I hope is that it includes all the features that come with Notion, including a database, the way it's displayed, etc
In its current version, it's still too far from Notion for me to switch to
I have played around with it... but... well... it is no where near Notion. Not even close, it is buggy, has a few options and... and you have to copy paste it. It doesn't link to anything in a fast an easy way. I am actually quite Underprised.
The time for Zettelkasten-like methodologies to become mainstream are closer and closer
Non-native english speaker here... I think you don't pronounce the 'r' in Microsoft? Is that common? Great video!!! Thank you.
Aye? So you’re meant to say like “Micosoft”?
@@toolfinderhq No.. I meant that YOU say "Micosoft" several times in the video , instead of "Microsoft". Specially, when you say it fast.
(Or at least that's what I heard.. .sorry... english is not my first language)
Did he said "Monks of Loop" at the beginning?
Forgive my dumbness......
Can I share WORKSPACES or COMPONENTS with clients? Or is it only for people in my 365 workgroup?
Components with colleagues and workspaces both, I believe.
Is Google working on something like this? I hope so!
Not that we’ve heard of. Just Workspace AI which is Co-Pilot from Microsoft essentially!
@@toolfinderhq Except Google does their AI in-house and MS buys it from OpenAI
Why just not make this as one of the mods of OneNote (like Whiteboard and Journal could be too), so they could have a single note taking app and not multiple ones?
Just like a simple version of Notion
My goal is to use Loop to avoid as much MS as possible so I can be productive. I hope MS had a design team and the dev team actually listened to them. I don't have high expectations.
sadly, my company hasn't enabled Loop yet
ClickUp + Basecamp + Asana
What can we do with loop without the Loop software? Microsoft talked to us but refused to show us any of this because IT didn't enable Loop so as far as I can tell Loop is just a bullet point list with a border. I'm confused why MS would come to us and talk to us about nothing.
You haven't mentioned database....:( I'm a little bit upset
aha!
@@toolfinderhq I'm serious, i want databases in loop, can you imagine an integration with power automate that can insert data automatically in loop from a CRM/erp or other software? Yee i hope they will upgrade it in the future
Always thought microsoft would embedded their excel capabilities as a database instead of a link .... welps still sticking with notion
Basically a copy of Notion, with a more beautiful design, but missing its most important feature.. the databases.
The Loop app is not enabled in your organization.
Loop must be enabled by your admin to log in and collaborate within your organization.
tried from E5 Developer account but i cant login
I used my personal (365 account)
Shafari jacket
Just tried it out. Not impressed. The Loop component is pretty interesting, but I wish it sorta worked the other way around also; that is, being able to drag-and-drop Microsoft 360 elements into flexible task management views. Imagine a KanBan board view where every "task" is a live Outlook email thread (or Conversation) with a basic to-do list & media attachment functionality embedded into each "task container." When you open a task, you get to view the live email thread. Based on the email thread info, you can decide to move that "task" into the appropriate KanBan lane.
As it stands, I just don't see how anyone could find this a useful alternative to Notion. It has maybe 5%-10% of Notion's capabilities. HARD PASS.
It's more frustrating when microsoft crashes and you lose all your work than having to switch apps
is it free?
As an ADHD person this looks like hell LOL
Lol, just use trello, it never changes. ;-)
I have ADHD and currently use Notion and love it! I’m disappointed at the lack of databases in Loop. LONG way to go but definitely useful for teams. My only issue now is that it doesn’t really expand all that well on what Teams already does…. Will see how the preview goes and what gets added
Loop isn't released so why make a video? I've been hearing about it for well over a year now.
It just did: loop.microsoft.com/
it is there for office 365
Hilarious there's Wiki pages in here. MS went to war against Wiki pages in Teams and even built a terrible conversion tool that sort of gets your wiki pages into notes while ruining all functionality and breaking formatting. Bold of you to taunt us tools MS recently uncerimouniously and suddenly depreciated.
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