I confirma that Ms Loop could be a nice tool for personal usage. But I found several shortcomings that are affecting to application usage in general: * Lack of hotkeys or shortcuts to select particular point when you type "/" and menu is opened. * Maybe I missed something, but I can't find tags in the application. Tag allow you to connect different notes with each other and you can search tags as well.
I use Notion for personal. I am setting up Loop for work and sharing at work. There is a lot of functionality that is missing for me. I hope that they eventually bring databases into loop.
Hi Darrel… I‘ve been thinking of using the Microsoft Loop App as my Note taking app of choice, but I’ve been using OneNote for so long and the flexibility to create page templates in OneNote so that all my meeting notes look the same. Unfortunately with Loop, I can’t find a way to create a template page… What’s your workaround for this?
Hi @RayMedina. I have been using OneNote for years too and it's page templates are super helpful. While Loop is in Public Preview, features like personal templates are yet to come. My work around is to have a section of pages that function as templates. I lay out my content, headings, meeting attendee list, a section for reference links. When I want to create a page based on a template, I open my template page, select all and copy the content. Then paste it to the new page I'm going to use. There are a few things I add after I have created the page, like the task list when I need it. It creates a new Planner plan that's connected to the page. That doesn't copy over from a template page. It's not a perfect solution. But it will fit my needs till we can create and save our own Loop page templates. Thanks for your question 😄
Thank you for this video, it helped me to understand Loop better. But in the end I don't think I understand the advantage of Loop. Most of the things you showed can be done by simply sharing a Word document. There must be more, what am I missing?
You are welcome Thomas. There are a few similarities between Loop and Word. They are both document file types. I can start with a blank page. I can use heading styles, numbered and bullet lists. I can use tables to organise info. I can attach a Word doc or link to it in an email, Teams message or meeting invite. But Loop is different. It isn’t just attached. The components are embedded and live. The live experience is being used in an increasing number of places. Meeting notes in the Notes window of Teams meetings. Whiteboards. Teams Channel and Chat messages. More coming. Likewise, other apps are embedding into Loop pages. Planner boards, Jira, Trello, Azure Dev Ops. Video. Whiteboards. The Loop page becomes a collage of content that we can collect together, so we can literally be on the same page. While my video shows possibilities for personal knowledge management, it is more valuable when collaborating with multiple people. It might not suit your style of work today. But do keep watch on it and try using it occasionally, with other people. In time, its value might be clearer to you.
Great Video! thanks for sharing. Loving Loop - but that is mostly because it is the new shiny thing in M365. I am a diehard OneNote fan for over a decade and use it everyday. Aside from tasks syncing in Loop - are there other features that would bring me over from OneNote to Loop? I also feel frustrated with how Loops are stored and organized. I like the organization of Notebooks in OneNote, but curious if there are key features that would "convert" me from old OneNote dude to "hip" Loop dude. :-) Thanks for all the great video content!!
I am hoping for an "hybrid" solution: I want to put in Loops into my OneNote Notebooks and this will be the ultimate productivity tool for me (and my small business)
Hi Duane and thanks for your continued support for my channel. I had been a diehard fan of OneNote for years too. The notebooks have been a great way to keep ideas and notes together. The Loop equivalent is a workspace. It keeps Loop pages together. Loop components are the outlier. We can’t move them from our OneDrives into a workspace. But we can add the components page as a link. Loop features that I enjoy are the different blocks we can add, and the many options to share. I love being able to share a Loop content across different apps as components. Whether it’s a whole page or just a selection of content from a page, components are a top feature for sharing and collaboration.
@@kurtsoeserThere will be integration soon between OneNote and Loop. On /r/OneNote there was a Microsoft employee who said it should drop in the coming months. Very curious to see how it will work.
So@@DarrellaaS, when working by yourself, it seems to me that Loop is very similar to One Note, as there is no need / or ability to collaborate with anyone else. As @DuaneAlleman noted, what is different between One Note or To Do and Loop from a personal perspective?
@@AquaDaz1 I can select parts of a Loop page and share the part as a component. This way I can just what I want with a team member and not the whole page or workspace. With Planner / ToDo and the Task list component, I can list tasks on a page alongside research, drafts and ideas. Then manage the tasks from the Planner or To Do app. The Planner component is coming and will let me embed a whole board in a page too. So I could create a Kanban styled board for my tasks alongside the content on the page. OneNote does have some more mature features when working with content on a page. Also, if you want an offline copy of a notebook, you'll use OneNote. But the growth I'm seeing in Loop workspaces and increasing integration will be why I keep using Loop.
thanks but i cannot embed Loop components in outlook or teams. I have the personal 365 subscription and from what i can understand Loop components are not available in personal Microsoft 365 subscriptions. They are only accessible in commercial Microsoft 365 subscriptions.
Hi Andrew. Your understanding is correct. Loop components are only available to share in Microsoft 365 Business, Enterprise and Education subscriptions.
@@DarrellaaS thanks for the feedback. I just started a Project Management company and the personal 365 subscription is excellent value for what you pay, very reasonably priced Loop has a not of potential for me a project mangement tool. There is one feature that is frustrating and is i cannot find a way to print pages to pdf. Do know if this is on the MS list of future features?
Gidday Darrell, Planner is not available for personal accounts though right? You need a company or school account? I'm interested to see how this evolves compared to Notion and Confluence.
Hi BoxOfChocs. You're right that Planner isn't available for personal Microsoft accounts using Microsoft Loop. I haven't heard what Microsoft has planned to offer Kanban boards to personal accounts. But I believe they are working on something. I also hope to see Microsoft Lists support in Loop too. If you are a power-user of Notion or Confluence, Loop doesn't have the same depth of features and functions yet. But they are working towards it, along with integration with other Microsoft services. What I do know is that making Loop feature-rich for personal accounts is definitely a focus, according to their product group leadership.
So far I haven't been able to understand how to install it on MacOS, I've only been able to use it on the web version... I have purchased Office 365 but I can't find the Loop app to install, could you help me?
I'm confused where Microsoft is trying to get us to use Loop. The entire App to me seems very much like we already use OneNote--a common note taking/documentation.
It's true. There are similarities to OneNote. If we only use Loop to take notes using pages and sub-pages, it is like OneNote. However, when we start to share Loop pages or even just pieces of a page with team members, we start to widen the collaborative possibilities. Also, being able to embed content from other applications into Loop makes it an ideal place to coordinate projects and activities.
@@DarrellaaS So, basically, if you do not have a team and don't need to collaborate, Loop is worthless when compared to OneNore (which has tons of more functions and possibilities). Also, MS did not even foresee any convert OneNote to Loop pages function, and copying e.g. a table page in OneNote to Loop results in a catastrophe as Loop cannot handle it. I don't see any reason to work with Loop when I'm alone. The literally only advantage it has over OneNote, is that it looks indeed a lot cleaner. But that's far from sufficient a reason to change.
@@hermanboel, it is true that 20 year old software has more personal knowledge management features than 2 year old software. Loop has been made for collaboration. But in the two months since publishing this video, it has received more improvements useful for personal use than OneNote has received in 5 years. Loop tables are far more functional now with filters and labels. Loop embeds video now, like OneNote. Also collapsible headings to organise text like OneNote. Loop records video and voice like OneNote. But you are right. Loop still has 18 years of development to catch up with OneNote, regarding personal features.
Nice video, the content is well explained, and you give some useful insight. And for someone like me (english is not my primary language), the speech was nice to hear. Too bad that task sync won't work on personal plan (cause Exchange is not included in those plans). Some of these tips are useless without Business plan. Any information about potential improvement ? Thanks for the content.
Thank you for the support and kind words. I am glad the video was helpful. I will see what I can find out about To Do integration with Loop on Microsoft Personal accounts. I know the Kanban Loop Component was designed for both Work and Personal Loop.
Yes. It actually uses Planner, a lightweight project app that requires a commercial subscription (Business, Enterprise, EDU). But Microsoft have not built the Task list component to sync with your personal Task list in To Do.
Hi Cossack. Do you mean the personal subscription of Microsoft 365, which includes the Office software? I'm using Loop with a Microsoft 365 Enterprise subscription in this video. But Microsoft Loop is also available for personal use using your Microsoft account. You would have set up a personal Microsoft account when you signed up for Microsoft 365 Personal subscription. I talk more about using personal Microsoft accounts in this video - th-cam.com/video/AirXcimA-VI/w-d-xo.html
Hi Ian. I installed the Loop web app using my browser. This gives it more presence on my desktop amongst the windows. You can do that on Mac and Windows. Loop is an online app. I haven’t heard any plans to make it work like OneNote and sync locally for offline support.
Visit loop.Microsoft.com and sign in with a personal Microsoft account or a work account. If you use a work account, your IT Admin needs to enable Loop. Learn more at aka.ms/enableloop
@@DarrellaaS thanks so much. I asked work for it and they said there's a security risk due to the machine learning aspect but sent me an article about Copilot for Loop. I think they're getting confused. Surely this is safe for companies to use?
Loop won’t have Copilot because it’s not available yet. Even then, you would need a Copilot license to use it for search inside of Loop. The main reason some IT Admins are delaying turning the Loop app on is that today it lacks tools for administration and compliance. But that will change by the end of the year. I respect the caution your IT Admins have expressed. They are just confused about Copilot and think Loop will make it available.
I confirma that Ms Loop could be a nice tool for personal usage. But I found several shortcomings that are affecting to application usage in general:
* Lack of hotkeys or shortcuts to select particular point when you type "/" and menu is opened.
* Maybe I missed something, but I can't find tags in the application. Tag allow you to connect different notes with each other and you can search tags as well.
I use Notion for personal. I am setting up Loop for work and sharing at work. There is a lot of functionality that is missing for me. I hope that they eventually bring databases into loop.
what are missing in loop that you find are available in notion?
How can I add the Loop notes function to a meeting when I am not the organizer of the meeting?
Very helpful....thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Hi Darrel… I‘ve been thinking of using the Microsoft Loop App as my Note taking app of choice, but I’ve been using OneNote for so long and the flexibility to create page templates in OneNote so that all my meeting notes look the same. Unfortunately with Loop, I can’t find a way to create a template page… What’s your workaround for this?
Hi @RayMedina. I have been using OneNote for years too and it's page templates are super helpful. While Loop is in Public Preview, features like personal templates are yet to come. My work around is to have a section of pages that function as templates. I lay out my content, headings, meeting attendee list, a section for reference links. When I want to create a page based on a template, I open my template page, select all and copy the content. Then paste it to the new page I'm going to use. There are a few things I add after I have created the page, like the task list when I need it. It creates a new Planner plan that's connected to the page. That doesn't copy over from a template page.
It's not a perfect solution. But it will fit my needs till we can create and save our own Loop page templates.
Thanks for your question 😄
Imagine Loop working in Onenote!
@@cossack4930 Will be working in the future...!
Can you do link to page to create a list of new pages? Like now you can In one note
That’s in the roadmap for 2024. I look forward to using it too.
Thank you for this video, it helped me to understand Loop better. But in the end I don't think I understand the advantage of Loop. Most of the things you showed can be done by simply sharing a Word document. There must be more, what am I missing?
You are welcome Thomas. There are a few similarities between Loop and Word. They are both document file types. I can start with a blank page. I can use heading styles, numbered and bullet lists. I can use tables to organise info. I can attach a Word doc or link to it in an email, Teams message or meeting invite. But Loop is different. It isn’t just attached. The components are embedded and live. The live experience is being used in an increasing number of places. Meeting notes in the Notes window of Teams meetings. Whiteboards. Teams Channel and Chat messages. More coming. Likewise, other apps are embedding into Loop pages. Planner boards, Jira, Trello, Azure Dev Ops. Video. Whiteboards. The Loop page becomes a collage of content that we can collect together, so we can literally be on the same page. While my video shows possibilities for personal knowledge management, it is more valuable when collaborating with multiple people. It might not suit your style of work today. But do keep watch on it and try using it occasionally, with other people. In time, its value might be clearer to you.
@@DarrellaaS Thanks, that helped a lot
Great Video! thanks for sharing. Loving Loop - but that is mostly because it is the new shiny thing in M365. I am a diehard OneNote fan for over a decade and use it everyday. Aside from tasks syncing in Loop - are there other features that would bring me over from OneNote to Loop? I also feel frustrated with how Loops are stored and organized. I like the organization of Notebooks in OneNote, but curious if there are key features that would "convert" me from old OneNote dude to "hip" Loop dude. :-) Thanks for all the great video content!!
I am hoping for an "hybrid" solution: I want to put in Loops into my OneNote Notebooks and this will be the ultimate productivity tool for me (and my small business)
Hi Duane and thanks for your continued support for my channel.
I had been a diehard fan of OneNote for years too. The notebooks have been a great way to keep ideas and notes together. The Loop equivalent is a workspace. It keeps Loop pages together. Loop components are the outlier. We can’t move them from our OneDrives into a workspace. But we can add the components page as a link.
Loop features that I enjoy are the different blocks we can add, and the many options to share. I love being able to share a Loop content across different apps as components. Whether it’s a whole page or just a selection of content from a page, components are a top feature for sharing and collaboration.
@@kurtsoeserThere will be integration soon between OneNote and Loop. On /r/OneNote there was a Microsoft employee who said it should drop in the coming months. Very curious to see how it will work.
So@@DarrellaaS, when working by yourself, it seems to me that Loop is very similar to One Note, as there is no need / or ability to collaborate with anyone else.
As @DuaneAlleman noted, what is different between One Note or To Do and Loop from a personal perspective?
@@AquaDaz1 I can select parts of a Loop page and share the part as a component. This way I can just what I want with a team member and not the whole page or workspace. With Planner / ToDo and the Task list component, I can list tasks on a page alongside research, drafts and ideas. Then manage the tasks from the Planner or To Do app. The Planner component is coming and will let me embed a whole board in a page too. So I could create a Kanban styled board for my tasks alongside the content on the page. OneNote does have some more mature features when working with content on a page. Also, if you want an offline copy of a notebook, you'll use OneNote. But the growth I'm seeing in Loop workspaces and increasing integration will be why I keep using Loop.
thanks but i cannot embed Loop components in outlook or teams. I have the personal 365 subscription and from what i can understand Loop components are not available in personal Microsoft 365 subscriptions. They are only accessible in commercial Microsoft 365 subscriptions.
Hi Andrew. Your understanding is correct. Loop components are only available to share in Microsoft 365 Business, Enterprise and Education subscriptions.
@@DarrellaaS thanks for the feedback. I just started a Project Management company and the personal 365 subscription is excellent value for what you pay, very reasonably priced
Loop has a not of potential for me a project mangement tool. There is one feature that is frustrating and is i cannot find a way to print pages to pdf. Do know if this is on the MS list of future features?
Gidday Darrell, Planner is not available for personal accounts though right? You need a company or school account? I'm interested to see how this evolves compared to Notion and Confluence.
Hi BoxOfChocs. You're right that Planner isn't available for personal Microsoft accounts using Microsoft Loop. I haven't heard what Microsoft has planned to offer Kanban boards to personal accounts. But I believe they are working on something. I also hope to see Microsoft Lists support in Loop too. If you are a power-user of Notion or Confluence, Loop doesn't have the same depth of features and functions yet. But they are working towards it, along with integration with other Microsoft services. What I do know is that making Loop feature-rich for personal accounts is definitely a focus, according to their product group leadership.
So far I haven't been able to understand how to install it on MacOS, I've only been able to use it on the web version... I have purchased Office 365 but I can't find the Loop app to install, could you help me?
I installed loop.microsoft.com as an app using my browser. I show how in this video m.th-cam.com/video/YGpwhgDcLkE/w-d-xo.htmlm49s
I'm confused where Microsoft is trying to get us to use Loop. The entire App to me seems very much like we already use OneNote--a common note taking/documentation.
It's true. There are similarities to OneNote. If we only use Loop to take notes using pages and sub-pages, it is like OneNote. However, when we start to share Loop pages or even just pieces of a page with team members, we start to widen the collaborative possibilities. Also, being able to embed content from other applications into Loop makes it an ideal place to coordinate projects and activities.
@@DarrellaaS So, basically, if you do not have a team and don't need to collaborate, Loop is worthless when compared to OneNore (which has tons of more functions and possibilities). Also, MS did not even foresee any convert OneNote to Loop pages function, and copying e.g. a table page in OneNote to Loop results in a catastrophe as Loop cannot handle it. I don't see any reason to work with Loop when I'm alone. The literally only advantage it has over OneNote, is that it looks indeed a lot cleaner. But that's far from sufficient a reason to change.
@@hermanboel, it is true that 20 year old software has more personal knowledge management features than 2 year old software. Loop has been made for collaboration. But in the two months since publishing this video, it has received more improvements useful for personal use than OneNote has received in 5 years. Loop tables are far more functional now with filters and labels. Loop embeds video now, like OneNote. Also collapsible headings to organise text like OneNote. Loop records video and voice like OneNote.
But you are right. Loop still has 18 years of development to catch up with OneNote, regarding personal features.
Nice video, the content is well explained, and you give some useful insight. And for someone like me (english is not my primary language), the speech was nice to hear. Too bad that task sync won't work on personal plan (cause Exchange is not included in those plans). Some of these tips are useless without Business plan. Any information about potential improvement ?
Thanks for the content.
Thank you for the support and kind words. I am glad the video was helpful. I will see what I can find out about To Do integration with Loop on Microsoft Personal accounts.
I know the Kanban Loop Component was designed for both Work and Personal Loop.
You sir have just given me a reason to use Microsoft Loop. I recently started looking for a tool and it looks like Loop is it.
I can not get loop tasks to sync with To-do. Do you need a business account for this?
Yes. It actually uses Planner, a lightweight project app that requires a commercial subscription (Business, Enterprise, EDU). But Microsoft have not built the Task list component to sync with your personal Task list in To Do.
How viable is Loop for 365 Personal?
Hi Cossack. Do you mean the personal subscription of Microsoft 365, which includes the Office software? I'm using Loop with a Microsoft 365 Enterprise subscription in this video. But Microsoft Loop is also available for personal use using your Microsoft account. You would have set up a personal Microsoft account when you signed up for Microsoft 365 Personal subscription. I talk more about using personal Microsoft accounts in this video - th-cam.com/video/AirXcimA-VI/w-d-xo.html
Whoops. I think my message got cut. "Personal Knowledge Management" system? It's not quite up to par with onenote for notes and ctrl-k linking
Is Planner available for Consumers?
No because Planner is a Business / Enterprise app. Use the Kanban board component.
@@DarrellaaS does the Kanban component connect to Microsoft To-Do?
@@YusufMumtaz Asking the real questions! LOOP is useless if it doesnt connect with To-Do on a personnal level
Are u using a Mac Loop app? Also I fly a lot can u use this offline like OneNote ? Thanks for the video
Hi Ian. I installed the Loop web app using my browser. This gives it more presence on my desktop amongst the windows. You can do that on Mac and Windows.
Loop is an online app. I haven’t heard any plans to make it work like OneNote and sync locally for offline support.
How do I get Loop?
Visit loop.Microsoft.com and sign in with a personal Microsoft account or a work account. If you use a work account, your IT Admin needs to enable Loop. Learn more at aka.ms/enableloop
@@DarrellaaS thanks so much. I asked work for it and they said there's a security risk due to the machine learning aspect but sent me an article about Copilot for Loop. I think they're getting confused. Surely this is safe for companies to use?
Loop won’t have Copilot because it’s not available yet. Even then, you would need a Copilot license to use it for search inside of Loop.
The main reason some IT Admins are delaying turning the Loop app on is that today it lacks tools for administration and compliance. But that will change by the end of the year.
I respect the caution your IT Admins have expressed. They are just confused about Copilot and think Loop will make it available.
LinkedIn Learning ?
I got a giggle seeing the word colour underlined as a spelling error.