Can this guy even make a video without taking things out of context? Anyone who can read knows the Buggy and Mihawk situation. And yes these tiers do exist, when 2 Yonkos fights who fights the other Yonko? A Yonko, who fights the Yc1? The other Yc1. Oda has been consistent with this even with the crew, Luffy fights the strongest and Zoro fights the second strongest. Also we have AN to confirm this, Ace Novel : "Yonko do not fight each other because if two fight neither will survive and more importantly they believe it might expand the influence of the other two Yonko"
He isn't saying these tiers of power do not exist within an organization - of course they do. And if you are an organization that has to fight another one, of course your best is going to fight their best, 2nd best the 2nd best, and so on. That's what makes logical sense. He's saying you can't use that tier system to directly compare two characters from DIFFERENT organizations/groups and say they're relative because they hold the same position within their group. Which is what a lot of one piece fans like to do.
bruh you saying he taking things out of context but you talking like u haven't watched the video lol. Also we've NEVER seen any yc1 fighting equally unless it's the strawhats vs enemy crew, we've seeen marco fight two yc at once, prime rayleigh fodderize yc1 young marco, and two non yonko level characters fights a yonko (Law+Kidd vs BM). Characters that are in the YC1 possition are NOT relative in power, Mihawk is not on the same level as Katakuri, Ben is not in the same as Marco, and let's not even talk about BBs crew. Or YC2, since Oden soloes most of the YC1 commanders and can even go against the Yonko
I think the big point of the video was aiming more at stuff like people speaking as though things like "YC1 level" exist in one piece when they dont. Katakuri isn't relative to King or Marco or current Zoro just because he occupies the same rank on a different crew. Oden, technically a second commander, probably destroys literally every single yonkou commander we've been introduced to so far with the exception of MAYBE Ben Beckman, easily. There's also the fact that sometimes there are massive power differences between yonkou commanders (Queen and King basically bullying Jack for his weakness compared to them) and sometimes there aren't (Queen and King interacting with each other, constantly implying they are rivals similar to Sanji/Zoro). THe other things like "admiral level ' or "yonkou level" are probably less important, mostly due to the fact a lot of discussions get bogged down by people saying they have certain characters at "YC3 level" or "this character is a YC1 so they aren't losing to someone who has only beaten a YC2" or some goofy shit.
Also all the time you been trying to twist facts and context about Katakuri but the reality is that Katakuri is the one that powercliffed Wano characters. It was really simple scaling from Oda but a lot didn't notice, Perospero who is weaker than the 4 sweet commanders was portrayed as Jack equal who is a 3rd commander, this makes the other 4 sweet commanders being matched with the rest of the beast pirates commanders, Snack = Queen, Cracker = King, Smoothie > King. This means Katakuri is on another level but as we know Yamato exist and that would be Katakuri's fight if they ever fought.
Perospero being relative to Jack doesnt put everyone above Pero to match the beast pirates commanders above Jack. They could all be lower than Queen and that doesnt conflict with Perospero being relative to Jack with Kat being above Pero
Respectfully this is some crackhead logic. Inu and Neko were both beaten to near death by Kaido. The fact that Perospero and Jack were able to beat on them doesn’t mean Perospero=Jack. Also, Perospero was much closer to full power while Jack was nearly killed by Sulong Inu/Neko on the rooftop.
Context is key. Even though Buggy is a Yonko, he's not that way because of individual strength, he's that way because of clout and influence, both very important things to have as a Yonko.
Yeah we know why the marines gave him the titled of yonko in the story, but in the case of powerscaling people are talking about his actual strength, not his influence.
Yonko isn’t a title that requires strength, it actually requires influence. Buggy might not be strong, but his influence literally changed the freaking world when their crew decided to give bounties for some of the marines. People tend to forget about this shit, but he is one of the greatest treats right now in the series
Which honestly makes me wonder if Buggy is in fact a member of one of the D clan. I know it’s become a meme at this point, but considering he seems to have the ability to get people to rally behind him, it truly makes me wonder.
Didn’t we call yonko level those who definitely have shown “sky splitting” haki clash, that’s why when luffy did it, it was major moment because he officially stepped foot in that level of people. Yeah it’s a vague name, especially because admirals and mihawk, garp are in that level as well, but we called it that because canonically it was only shown yonko do it. If you really don’t want to call it yonko level, just call it “sky splitting” level
You could split the sky pretty easily bro with devil fruits and shit but i see where ur coming from people like zoro and kid could do it and law def but but shit like fucking dragons in one piece can prob do it
@@nagato8726devil fruits don’t have the attack potency of haki, the strength of strong haki comes from the fact an attack potency system can destroy the environment like that to split the skies ( which I doubt any devil fruit power can other than the gura fruit) , which would mean it can bust through any devil fruit.
Maybe your not getting the point of scaling them in yc lvls so let me correct you. Argument Number 1: *I love Katakuri* Thanks for listening. I hope you make a video righting your wrongs 🙂
I use Gear levels to scale. For example,Katakuri is WCI Gear 4 level. Kaido is gear 5 level. Arlong is East Blue level and Lucci is Pre TS gear 2 level.
OK we obviously know that the thing with Buggy is a joke. When people say Yonko level, they’re not referring to buggy they’re referring to the people who reflect that level of strength, Oda likes to make jokes all the time which is why choppers bounty is so low when he’s not that weak, just from the first two minutes of this video that’s already a major thing taken out of context
But what exactly is that strength? Who are they scaling this strength to? Buggy is still a yonko so do we scale yonko level to him? Or do we scale it to being able to split the sky? And if we do use the splitting sky what about yc1 or 2?
@@Void-a7k you couldn’t have read my response all the way through, it’s literally stated that yonko, warlords and marines are a balance of power which gives an establishment of strength to each entity, and just like most other shonen the characters are scaled to each other most likely when ppl say yonko level they are referring to the original 4 who were all told to be SOMEWHAT close to each other, power levels in every anime aren’t as clear cut as something like dragon ball, so we create spectrums like yonko level
Sanji's my second favorite One Piece character, but some Sanji fanboys are lost in dishonesty. They always try to make Queen and the Beast pirates look stronger than they really were, because of course it makes Sanji look good. Queen was actually the worst excuse for a yonkou commander. I've never seen a guy take so many Ls. Jack was relative to Perospero, and Ulti in her hybrid form couldn't even harm a repressed base Luffy, who kept his newer strength and abilities for a dramatic reveal vs Kaido. Each one of the fucking Germa Five (six if we include soba mask) would have probably destroyed a Tobi Roppo, and give Jack and Queen a good fight. Rational Sanji fans can only be mad he didn't get to shine vs an opponent as formidable as King or Katakuri.
@@WOUmurderstomps that, my friend was an opinion based on nothing canon. Here are facts: Sanji was left in the dust by G4 Luffy up until early Wano: Doflamingo low-diffed Sanji but got completely wrecked by G4 Luffy. Later on, Luffy grew even stronger by having high difficulty fight vs two whole yonkou commanders for almost a combined 24 hours, and he had a haki bloom,while Sanji was pretty much baking cakes and being held hostage. Sanji's biggest power up post timeskip is him getting the enhancements that his brothers have. Cool, but said enhancements proved rather useless against Katakuri, who no-diffed Ichiji. Keep in mind Ichiji had a germa suit on top of germa genes, that's double the enhancement. And he's a trained, battle-hardened soldier, belonging to a force that has changed the tide of many wars, and is the envy of many, even Yonkou Big Mom. Even if Sanji caught up power-wise to WCI G4, that would be an incredible achievement for him. After all, at that point, only Admirals and Yonkou boxed higher than Luffy's power. He was even nicknamed Fifth Emperor. In early Wano, Luffy probably could have beaten all the Beast pirates 1v1, save for their boss Kaido, and maybe King (haki bloom needed). Sanji's not molly wopping none of those guys. Bum ass, simp coward, self-shooting, ultra blitzable, Chopper-bitchslappable, and dumb enough to go for a sneak attack on a geisha in the middle of a high stakes duel Queen gave him a high diff fight. It would require nothing short of a miracle for him to beat Kat or King with less than extreme diff. Super-extreme difficulty, at best.
@@almy-qy1lf"Sanji's biggest power up post timeskip is him getting the enhancements that his brothers have. Cool, but said enhancements proved rather useless against Katakuri, who no-diffed Ichiji." holy shit you're trolling. Sanjis durability and enhancements are in a completely different realm than his brothers
@@YoastnToastn cool headcanon. Factually though, there is no indication whatsoever that Sanji's awakening gave his body properties that are any better than what his siblings have, in terms of exoskeleton, bone properties (they seem to have bones that bend instead of breaking) or regen. Of couse, Sanji is stronger, but that's because he trained his non-enhanced body for years, and is a trained haki user. But no proof whatsoever that his new body properties are any better than his siblings'. He got the same benefits, but from a higher starting point, that's all.
@@almy-qy1lf It took hours for Reiju to recover from a bullet wound. Sanji healed from his spine and leg being shattered in seconds. Hybrid Queen swung a massive sword directly down onto Sanji's neck and it just shattered (thisa is hybrid queen who scales over katakuri is strength/ap by a lot) and why are you bringing up ichiji anyways when we know that sanji is magnitudes stronger than him in every way
I understand some people misuse these "titles" but to shit on them is unfair because it makes sense when you use the characters that represent that lvl well and can be used as a standard against which others can be compared e.g Yonko lvl for me means you are relative to Shanks, Kaido and Big Mom and I think everyone can agree none of those characters are low diff(ing) the other . I guess what I'm tryna say is , if used correctly and with a proper setup like the one I just explained, this lvl thing makes sense and it doesn't matter what your official in-story title is , it's about your individual power . SIMPLE!
Good luck Trying to explain that to the Mayority of the Fandom that Thinks Being A Yonko automatically means you can duke it out with Kaido and Big Mom. It’s just easier to get rid of the title Scaling and Do the Clasic SABCD tier lists.
Its hard to debate with someone who does not undertsand what context is. Yonkou kevel refers to someone who has the capacity as one of the strongest in the verse (usually but isnt limited to Yonkous)
This guy is a typical admiral meat rider,what do you expect other than outright downplaying conqueror’s haki and denying yonko’s overwhelming strength.
You know I once compared Lucci to a tobbiroppo member saying he was tobbiroppo level. I was told that level of power doesn't have exist and to use an actual scale. Now here's what's got me fucked up remembering this. 1. Marines rank their strongest fighters through promotions, the higher your rank the more powerful or productive you are. How ever because the vice admirals barely do shit they aren't on the power scale because we see pirates a majority of the time. The Marines are an actually solid power scale despite outliers because they have in character reasons for not wanting it, for example the admirals have to be the top 3, not the top 10. 2. Next we have actual strength based crews that have titles. Big Mom's kids have 2 titles sweet commanders and ministers. Minister's are like 1st rate fodder, they are strong enough to defend their parts of the territory and run it, how ever they are comparedly weak, severely even to commanders. 3. Kaido scales his crew based on performance. In order you have himself, the lead preformers, flying six, gifters, pleasures, and waiters. Now if you notice just by eating a smile you can either go up one rank or 2 ranks. If your smile "works" you get to the 4th best rank but your still fodder. 4. Compared to the Marines kaido's crew has the best scale of strength despite the bottom 3 ranks being different flavors of fodder. So If you want to scale correctly change the tiers to Marine titles for all the tiers instead.
I think the WG called roger the PK to fuck him over using other pirates's hands cuz he found out about what he shouldn't. Probably the reason shiki was able to gather an army of ships against roger.
I feel like you're being pedantic. The disdain to using "Yonko level" or "Admiral level" etc has been viewed with increased skepticism lately, but I feel like it is completely unjustified. When someone says someone is "Admiral level" (or whatever), they don't literally mean that they are an admiral, this much should be obvious. Rather what it means is as you said, that they are relative to characters that have this title. But I'd say it's more accurate to say they have strength that one would EXPECT to TYPICALLY see from someone with that title. Buggy is a Yonko, but he doesn't have the strength you'd typically expect to see from a Yonko, therefore he's not Yonko level (and him being a Yonko should be seen as an obvious exception that shouldn't lower the expected strength of a "typical" yonko). Mihawk is technically a Yonko commander, but his strength is (imo) what you'd expect to see from a Yonko, therefore he is Yonko level. These terms have picked up traction for a reason, and that is because of how much information they convey. The term "Yonko First Commander" immediately gives us associations to Marco, Katakuri, King, etc, which in turn gives us an immediate scale of power, and thus it conveys a lot of information in a simple phrase. And that doesn't change even though all members within that category are not on the exact same level. Power scaling is more nuanced than that, and as long as you have that in the back of your mind when you use or see these phrases then there should be no issues with them at all. If your takeaway from all of this is that we should revert to the S, A, B, C, etc rankings, then why? Those are literally meaningless and carry no meaning other than placing different characters in a somewhat ordered list. Would you honestly prefer if people say Whitebeard is S tier?
The video was literally meant to criticize people that use naming fallacies and association fallacies to scale characters. Watch the video before you speak on it.
@@Ghostface833Oh no, I've seen it. He's using characters that the autor makes us know that they are the exception. There's been two whole chapters of Oda showing us why Buggy's title is a lie. The autor went out of his way to say to us why Buggy isn't strong compared to all the other yonko and that Mihawk is the real powerhouse of Cross Guild. He then uses EAST BLUE BUGGY to say that Luffy is supposedly Yonko level by then because he defeated him which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in the OP community. (by that stupid logic Doflamingo is still stronger than Law because he defeated him in Dressrosa, without taking into consideration that characters gets stronger with the past of time) Let's not even talk about the admirals because by this point their hype and powerscale are more dead than Ace (b-but Kizaru was mentally nerf 🤓🤓). Titles don't always correlate but to say that they are completely useless is stupid af. Take "YC1 level" for example, we know that this characters are pretty strong but are a level away of Admirals and anything above that, they don't necessarily need to have that title but strength wise that's where they rank. Same with other power level, it's fairly ease to make a tier list with those rank if you forget the titles but you still have a standard for those levels (yonko level is fairly easy because even Oda has show us a lot of times how they "split the skies" you just put Mihawk there cause he's relatively to Shanks and that's that) Mihawk IS a YC1 but strength wise he is far beyond that, doesn't mean that the ranks are bad, just use your brain and everything falls into place.
@@YoastnToastn read what I said AGAIN: Titles don't always correlate but to say that they are completely useless is stupid af. Take "YC1 level" for example, we know that this characters are pretty strong but are a level away of Admirals and anything above that, they don't necessarily need to have that title but strength wise that's where they rank. Same with other power level, it's fairly ease to make a tier list with those rank if you forget the titles but you still have a standard for those levels (yonko level is fairly easy because even Oda has show us a lot of times how they "split the skies" you just put Mihawk there cause he's relatively to Shanks and that's that) Mihawk IS a YC1 but strength wise he is far beyond that, doesn't mean that the ranks are bad, just use your brain and everything falls into place.
I like to say “sky splitting level” seems more accurate. All the characters who can sky split should be able to contend each other. pirate king level is the worst one tbh, the main character of the story and buggy literally said all u have to do is find raftel💀Admiral the only one that make sense lowkey.
Great Video❤️. This is all I wanted to say to those who say God level>pirate King level>Yonko level>Admiral level>commander level>....... We should say that a character is on Zoro's level/Whitebeard's level/Shanks's level/Akainu's level etc instead of Yc1 level/Pirate King level/Yonko level/Fleet Admiral level etc.
Nah the Katakuri example is not it because he DOES have the feats Its not about being in the same position in their respective crews, Marco, King and Kat are relative becuse of how they are presented and treated. Look at Perospero clearly being Tobi roppo level at least, and he is not close to his little brother in power. Theres about the same difference between King and the tobi roppo than Katakuri with Perospero for all we saw So its not about them having the sane positions, its how Oda wants to scale them against each other. Beckman, for example, IS IN FACT above those 3, without a doubt, because its clear how he is presented But people cant come tell me Katakuri is the best of the fodder when one of those "fodder" characters is being clearly shown relative to Tobi roppo, in Perospero.
The tobi roppo were also comparably fodder. Like sure they were strong but outside of who's who none of them really put up that good of a fight and there very clearly is a noticeable gap between them and even Jack and then there's just as big of a gap between Jack and Queen and King. Also u have to keep in mind katakuri's major advantage was because he had unlocked haki on another level than any main antagonist outside of yonkos. His future sight is what gave him such a massive advantage over luffy and once luffy was starting to just get a little taste of it he instantly started turning the fight around obviously other stuff happened but that advantage that Kat had was what made him so intimidating at the time but now everyone who is top tier has haki that is either on his level or even higher since unlike the strawhats katakuri had never battled with anyone who could challenge him until luffy and there's more than a dozen characters at that time that were stronger than luffy. Also forgot that luffy clashed with ulti and that was after luffy got a massive power boost yet her basic haki was able to compete with luffy for a couple seconds which I'm not sure katakuri would be able to do to wano luffy after the prison break
I get where you are coming from but a few exceptions to the rule doesn't mean the rule itself isn't valid. Most of the Emperors are top tiers. Buggy is only an emperor due to his influence and "feats" from the viewpoint of the Marines/World Government. In terms of Katakuri, he is a victim of power cliffing. I agree titles/positions in a crew aren't everything. Sanji is a cook and yet is stronger than most vice-captains fro example.
I love that a few of the top comments are fellow fans of Akainu. WE PAPAZUKI FOLLOWERS KNOW WHO THE GOAT IS. Everyone else simps for these mickey mouse ass villains that cant kill fodder, meanwhile Papazuki is going to fucking kill your favorite side character.
As a gag character in an action manga, Buggy is actually at the highest possible tier of power. He might stumble but ultimately he can never be defeated.
admiral teir is lower than yonko teir because the world gov’t put in place to power systems to balance out the original cast of yonkos (Warlords and Admirals to balance =Yonko) even after the warlords where dismantled the marines on multiple occasions say the powers are unbalanced do to them just having admirals < yonkos (Big mom,blackbeard,shanks,kaido)
The disrespect for Katakuri is crazy he isn't weak he just had to be introduced to early because no way Luffy was boring with Big Mom this early and we know he's whooping Burgess ass not really that hard since Sabo was able to wipe the floor with him no disrespect to Sabo btw
Katakuri isnt weak, its just that most other commanders seen as "yc1 level" are stronger, and his placement with them because of the fact that he's second in command on big mom's crew doesnt make sense
Love the content, but I'm sure we can all agree that exceptions exist. With Buggy being one of them. As a general rule, Yonko, Admiral, and Commander level all have a relative range of strength that's apparent.
@@mirzazulic2057 so akainus non awakened devil fruit is now a upgrade from luffys awakened fruit which is a god personified ? He was clearly referring to akainu himself.
@@Jamb3to it is the most offensive devil fruit yes, but when you get haki involved akainu gets railed by people like prime wb, roger and myb even shanks
Akainu was stated to be strong enough where, if he was the main character, he'd fine One Piece within a year. Emphasis on if he was the MAIN CHARACTER, which means he gets MC writing. Not that Akainu currently bodies everyone lmao.
@@mirzazulic2057 Oda literally said he has to make sure not to make a mc too op. Then gave an example and said if akainu was the main character he'd end the series in a year. No way around it akainu Is that GUY
The Mihawk Buggy part isn’t a good argument and I don’t agree about the Admirals vs Yonko but I agree with the general premise I’ve been saying this for a while now. The reason this started is because initially the story presented things as Yonko and their underlings being near equal but in reality as the series as gone on we see the characters have different feats and portrayal
Why do so many people think Kat is the weaker than someone like King? In the manga their feats are similar. I agree with the overall point of the video but Kat was very impressive and calling him fodder feels very hyperbolic
By the end of their fight, BASE Luffy is able to injure Katakuri. During Early Wano, a stronger Luffy, using G4, gets blitzed and one shotted by kaido, a character whom Luffy could do 0 damage to. After training in Udon, Luffy advances himself in armament haki by two levels (the first of which lets him emanate haki away from his body, the second of which lets him do that AND internally destroy opponents). Rooftop Luffy, in base form, immediately does better against Kaido than his previous g4 did, meaning Base rooftop Luffy>>>>Early Wano Luffy in G4>>>>Whole Cake Island G4 Luffy. Zoro, who didn't have any advanced armament, is able to cut through Kaido's scales and pop out attacks that even Big Mom demanded Kaido dodge., meaning that this Zoro>>>>>> Early Wano G4 Luffy>>>>Luffy that beat Kat. King is able to not only take on this Zoro but even overpower some of his attacks that cut could Kaido and even TANK some of those Kaido cutting attacks. In order to defeat him, Zoro learns to use his latent COC and apply COC coating to his swords. ACOC is such a big powerup that Base LUffy with ACOC>>>>G4 ROoftop Luffy with just advanced armament>>>>> Base rooftop Luffy>>>>> Early Wano G4 Luffy>>>>> Katakuri. King is STILL able to put up a fight against this monster Zoro until Zoro takes him down when his defenses are lowered. The idea that Kat scales to people like King is straight wank.
@@Shoddragon While training to learn advanced armament Hyogoro states that swords men and other weapon users use a form of advanced armament because they naturally let their haki flow into other objects so to say that Zoro didn’t have it is wrong This argument also ignores that King defense was crazy high. Not only is he a ancient zone user he’s also a Lunarian. So yes his defense is definitely way higher that Kat’s but that does not put him in a totally different league. I say that Sanjli vs Zoro is a good comparison. Sanji defense is way higher but I do not believe that puts him above Zoro. My last point is that the Scabbards were able to injure Kaido but to put any of them over Kat is ridiculous. I do believe that King, Zoro and Sanji are all stronger than Kat but that doesn’t put Kat out of the conversation
@@moeman813 -Hyogoro was using this to show why so many characters in Wano have advanced armament, not that swordsmen naturally use advanced armament. SO far, we have nothing concrete to suggest Zoro us using advanced armament. THe closest we have is Kaido sensing the haki coming from Enma being strange and feeling like Oden but that doesn't really imply anything related to advanced armament. -Yes it does lmfao. Lunarian physiology is so potent that it is the entire basis of the Seraphim to begin with. Also we cannot ignore that King OVERPOWERED several of Zoro's Kaido-cutting attacks. - Is it ridiculous? Several of the scabbards could already 1v1 Jack, a dude with a bounty equivalent to Kat's. The scabbards arguably haki bloomed during the raid which means they all got even stronger. Kaido even notes that Jack isn't weak, Sulong Inu/Neko are just that strong (confirming that Sulong Inu and Neko>>> Jack). I don't think saying that the rooftop scabbards after their haki bloom>>> Kat is that outrageous to say, especially since Jack was convinced that Inu and Neko while on the verge of death would still completely stomp the tobiroppo. - Nah he's out of the convo with things as they are now. Like I've proven, the gap is massive.
Yonko title is about influence,power and territories Admiral title is about strength, fighting ability they are trained their whole life. Admiral>Yonko If you take thing literal
Admirals fans propaganda,of course you will say that despite the fact admirals have WAY inferior haki which makes the yonko level,there is a reason kizaru got one shotted by luffy.
You taking the titles too literally. Just because Mihawk and Katekuri are actually YC1 doesn’t mean they are YC1 power level. 🤦♂️ And Yes Buggy’s a yonko but he’s not yonko level it’s not a literal term
I think Yonko level is fine to exist. They were stated to be at a stalemate for many years, Kaido and Big Mom are nearly exact equals in strength, and for the Buggy point the main reason he became a Yonko is because he has Mihawk on his crew, Mihawk even has a higher bounty than Buggy still. I do agree that the YC1 tier is bullshit, Queen is fairly relative to King and Ben Beckmann is fairly close to Shanks, so putting Queen and Ben Beckmann being around the same tier is far from logical
@@YoastnToastn in Wano Kaido and Big Mom fought as equals for days straight. Also they have different skill sets that makes Kaido seem a lot stronger, Kaido is more focused on pure physical attack and defense, while Big Mom is an all arounder with more devil fruit focus. So Kaido can take more hits than Big Mom, but she also has so many abilities that Kaido just doesnt (army of homies, completely immoral homies from her soul, weather control, fix her broken bones, eat her own soul for power boost, etc). Also keep in mind that Kaido was completely defeated while Big Mom was ready to keep fighting and was just pushed into magma. She fully tanked Kid’s laser and was just being pushed backwards by it, the same laser could wipe out Shank’s fleet in 1 blast (to be fair they are pretty weak for a Yonko crew, but still extremely impressive)
yeah idk when pirate king and yonko lvl took off but there's really no such thing IMO. Given how strong akainu and kuzan are yonko and admirals should be a similar lvl
I mean there are tiers to characters Pirate king level/People that are equal to Roger level Yonko Admiral/Low Yonko YC1 YC2 YC3 Tobiroppo And yeah some characters go into different tiers but it's accurate most of the time Like Sanji goes into YC1 even tho he's the third in command And jinbe is YC2 And Vista and Jozu are YC2 Etc But most of the time they stay in the tiers their title is Zoro is YC1 Marco is YC1 Etc
I think the main reason is because we are forgetting the West isn't the main demographic for anime the main demographic is 12-14 year old Japanese boys who really don't care about power scaling
I agree except for the yonko level. We know that at least in the original yonkos (shirohige, kaido, big mom and shanks) although with slight differences in power, they are all relative to each other (at least according to ace's novel). Prior to this, we know that roger, shiki, and shirohige are relative to each other. And currently we have luffy who defeated kaido, kurohige, shanks and buggy. Buggy's argument seems wrong to me, the navy believes that buggy is a legendary pirate comparable to shanks, they don't know that he is weak . And we also have how mihawk says to let buggy be the bisible head because he doesn't want to be a yonko. So I think history shows us how everyone who shares tirulod and yonko has a similar level or is perceived by the public as relative. I agree with the idea that the yonko commander and pirate king levels should not exist. The admiral level I think is too soon. It has yet shown us how powerful they are. I think that history has presented us to all admirals as relative to each other. But I also think that possibly the Admirals are as strong as the Yonkos. So more than a yonko lvl or admiral lvl it would be more of a top tier lvl.
Yonko are the most influential pirates, not necessarily the strongest. Just like bounties don't necessarily reflect power, even though that is a factor. Nice vid, always good to reiterate that Kataturi IS NOT THAT GUY
Admiral Level is the most consistent level in all of One Piece, not even Yonko. Makes sense given the point of that position, when it comes to pirates, which is not one organization, it's all relative
I think most people know and acknowledge that there is a wide gap in strength between characters with the same rank, it’s just more fun to use these titles as tiers as opposed to the standard S-F tiers. I just think Admiral and Yonko should be merged as one tier, the commanders should be 1 or 2 tiers and not be based off their rank in their respective crews, and pirate king level should be called Legends.
Labeling tiers this way is a convenience thing. Saying somebody is an "A tier" fighter doesn't give a reference point for strength without putting more people in that tier. Like if I say Law is "A tier", what does that mean? Can he fight on Luffy's level? Is that closer to Sanji? S-F is better for labels when making a full tier list in front of you, sure, but if I say "I think Law is yonkou level", even without hearing more, you can probably guess I think he's roughly around Whitebeard at Marineford, or Big Mom/Kaido in strength, since those are the yonkou we've seen go all out. Nobody thinks of Buggy when they hear "yonkou tier" in casual conversation; that's silly. I'll give you that using "warlord" as a strength label is bad though. Warlords have been wildly inconsistent in strength from member-to-member since their introduction, so nobody even has a ballpark idea of what that should mean.
You got something against Katakuri bruh, like I really dont care less, but Luffy fuckin almost ran from him, like out of fear, didn’t he, and not even considering his rank in his crew, but as a character, with how many other characters has Luffy been shown petrified.. anyway, its kind of futile, Imma enjoy the story as it goes…..its fun either way
@@conradthekingofcurses yc1 has crazy strong people, true, way stronger than Katakuri, true, theres Oden, Ben Beckman, Mihawk, Rayleigh in his prime, and others but the point here is that Katakuri while not as strong as them is still significant in my opinion, for someone who’s presence was so imposing, while Luffy being the point of reference…I cant see even a few of opponents having accomplished that, Luffy who is unfazed in the face of almost everything thats out there, his interaction with Katakuri turned into a critical moment in the further development of Luffy’s character….
@@saurabhsingh6227 What does him being "imposing" to a WCI luffy have to do anything with a powerscaling video when he is weaker than most of the yc1s?
@@conradthekingofcurses hmmmm, this video kind of smashes the power scaling thing doesn’t it, in simple words the argument here is that titles can be misleading ! Be it YC1 or YONKO. Now that Buggy has been declared as one, now about Katakuri, well I just saw that he’s been categorised as fodder again and again, which I personally disagree with, Im not going to place him with Ben or Rayleigh, ofc not, but he is strong af…so I just made a remark on that, just stating my opinion 🤷🏻♂️
also, second comment, but it's crazy how oda has given us the titles of these groups, like sweet generals/commanders, tobbi roppo, calamities, etc, and no one uses any of those except maybe tobbi roppo. idk i just think saying 'calamity level' or 'doffy family officer' is actually waaaaay more accurate.
Buggy got yonko status from clout, previous working experience and influence he got with his delivery service. Tbh I kinda respect the luck, lying and smarts that got buggy to his position
Am happy to see more people shutting down things like "commander levels". It's always irritating to participate in a discussion only for people to pull shit like "um actually Katakuri beats character because he's a YC1 which means he HAS to be relative to people like King or Ben Beckman!". You're right, nobody in One Piece thinks like this. When Marco takes on QUeen and King, he doesn't state "OH MAN A YC2 lmfao ez, only King will be difficult!", he states that holding off 2 people worth over 1 billion berries is tough. It's the same thing with vice admirals: they go from as weak as smoker to as strong as Tsuru (who was confirmed to have fought Jack and was shown scaring Doflamingo when she was younger just by her showing up) and Garp (who can throw hands with Aokiji). IDK why so many people gloss over this.
ayyy absolute facts, let's also not act like the gap between king and queen is high, through portrayal and bounty they are very close. king is definitely stronger than queen, but it's not night and day like some people think. look at the way king and queen bully tf out of jack and jack just takes that shit
Yonko level is pretty well established as close to whitebeard, shanks kaido or big mom in strenght. Although id argue there is probably a considerable gap in strength between shanks and old wb or big mom. Just because buggy got ascended to yonko (because he has a yonko level crew member, Mihawk) that doesnt mean buggy is yonko level in terms of his own individual strength. Its pretty simple. And yonko level was a standar set by the one piece manga itself when its stated that "the punch can take down a yonko with enough preparation time". I agree with the yonko commander stuff tho. That makes way less sense.
Also gotta love how so meany one peice fans use terms like fraud(a term that only really makes sense when used to describe someone like buggy or the fake strawhats) and fodder(a term that also only really works when used to describe nameless grunts like kaido's numbers,pleasures and gifters). As a way to describe charecters who are incredibly powerful and have actual personalites or roles in the story,just becouse they can't one shot or speed blitz characters like kaido,shanks or garp
Yonko level: people relative to the 4 og yonko Admiral level: people relative to the 3 admirals(does not include fleet admiral or people that used to be admirals) YC+ level: people stronger than characters mentioned in YC1 level (basically anyone stronger than king) but weaker then admirals and og yonko YC1 level: people relative to Marco, katakuri, or king YC2 level: people relative to queen or smoothie YC3 level: people relative to jack or cracker Below Yc: Ex. Doffy, tobiropo, robin, franky If you go off of guidelines similar to these for the levels, they can actually work. It’s better to base levels off of people that have held titles, instead of every single person that held the title. If you group up every person with the title and put them in the same level, then it would be dumb.
This has always been how people scaled these levels. It's just that this guy somehow managed to confuse himself and thought he needed to make a video on it.
The tier is basically the average yonko or average yc1 and that’s why theirs yc+ because they’re not quite as strong as an admiral. These tiers aren’t meant to be based on if you hold that rank after garp is a vice admiral but isn’t vice admiral level their meant to be about the average person in that rank and if your relative to them
You make a point but at the same time gour bias and hate for Katakuri and lack of applying the narrative structure of power creep in One Piece. Discussing power creep would have make hour ooints more concrete IMO Because your scaling videos dont offer a new oerspective for scalint but follow the same scaled you are criticizing (or i could be wrong)
Pirate king level (not the title) -> Roger, Garp, Sengoku, Whitebeard, people who could fight the pirate king of that era Yonko level only refers to Kaido and maybe Big mom YC1 refers to King, YC2 refers to Queen
Katakuri is a foreshadowing of whats gonna happen to Kaido in the Final Saga. First YC 1 Shown. First Yonko Fully fleshed out being Kaido. Besides Big Mom who atm is weaker than Lufyf and Kaido by feats now anyway.
Ok ik you biased now cuz no way you said Crocodile > Katakuri and Shiryu > Katakuri 💀 and in terms of performance King has easily shown the worst 😭, I hope y’all realize that Katakuri isn’t as power crept as y’all think he is unless you really wanna say Perospero > Katakuri, who held his own in wano and we saw him block attacks from Marco. “But Ulti barely overpowered a distracted Luffy who wasn’t serious at all” yeah that same mf who’s on par with X Drake and weaker than Jack? Who was shown to be on par with Perospero whos shown to be weaker than Katakuri? Aight yall using pirate warrior stats or smth to base your listing off of at this point 🚶♂️
The list at 1:11 is not a power ranking list, it is a list showing their position in the world or former position. Hence why Garp is at the bottom and Buggy near the top.
I’d say another dumb thing is this excessive focus on “feats” and endurance, durability, etc as if this is some JRPG. Oda doesn’t have these things in mind when he’s drawing these scenes and writing the story. Authorial intent should matter more than everything in this case. If you wanna be super specific about feats we have to start mathematically calculating feat difficulty correspondence to reality lol. Also much of the “feats” discourse is based on story framing to begin with. For example why is sky splitting more impressive than say a large explosion - because we know within the story/writing it’s reserved for the strongest characters clashing. - Also what’s never considered in these power scaling exercises is how specialists can often defeat well rounded opponents. Someone with a 3/10 on every category but a 10/10 in haki can easily defeat someone with a 9/10 in everything and a 7/10 in haki (maybe even a 9.) also then that not all 10’s are equal etc (for example luffy and shanks both have a 10/10 in haki most likely but Shanks is clearly light years beyond current luffy). - Overall we shouldn’t rely too much on what’s drawn on the page necessarily but What Oda intends by it (and you brother, Mr restless gambler are guilty of this narrow mindedness when it comes to katakuri). Oda is not a hyper detail-oriented nerd at this micro level (macro, for sure) that he’s calculating how much blood splatter a punch creates. - I mean even your chopper Vs katakuri video although an April fools joke, had strong arguments from this micro-detail perspective 💀as soon as something is reasonably telling you that chopper can beat katakuri and it’s not absurd, I think we need to reconsider that entire approach since clearly that is not Oda’s intent with the story. - And I’m just saying this because most OP fans recognize this is Oda’s world to organize. If we take a death of the author approach that’s different and maybe then we can have this weird JRPG scaling constantly imposed onto the page, but I don’t think most OP fans think “forget what oda says and thinks, this world is ours to determine as we wish”. Given that, we should then take into consideration that Oda is very creative and loose with these kinds of things and isn’t necessarily trying to create a detail for detail correct power scaling bonanza in Every panel.
I would also say that there is a relative and absolute standard to what these terms mean. Because Yonkou is not just a term that defines a specific-category of pirate but one that defines a certain capability of fulfilling yonkou responsibilities. So in a world of episode 1 Luffy and a million Kobe’s, that Luffy still wouldn’t be a “yonkou” tier I think because he’s missing some of the absolute fire power needed to maintain territories and the like. He would be stronger than everyone else though, to the same extent that say the current yonkou are. The reason buggy is a yonkou is because he legitimately can fulfill yonkou responsibilities and qualifications which aren’t always (but usually are) limited to individual strength. To use your basketball analogy, buggy is someone who’s a mentor, but Such a great great mentor and glue guy that he gets a max contract the same as the all star players (I’ve never heard of this happening, but just an example). It doesn’t change though that usually, 99/100 times, to get a max contract requires a certain level of individual talent (strength in the case of one piece). - The same can be said for YC1 etc (l mean although there can be vast differences inbetween the YC, it seems that 1 billion berries for ex is a benchmark for their strength. And most YC bounties we’ve seen are based on their actual individual strength merits since most don’t have external or additional qualities that grant them these high bounties. (Robin for ex is an interesting case study on the bounty-strength-Danger discussion). - Sometimes OP fans pick up a statement that they think is intelligent and so spam it. “Bounties don’t represent strength!!!” I mean they do, 99% of the time. There are just very rare exceptions to this rule. - Anyway I think with proper framing actually all these terms have an intuitively strong understanding, the problem is moreso the constant “feats” “low mid diff” “endurance” “well on this panel he has ten spots of blood more than this other one”.
This is nitpicking let's be real, everyone roughly knows what's meant by these tiers. Yonko tier beats admiral tier, admiral tier beats YC1 tier etc. This is because GENERALLY most characters who fit in these tiers follow this strength hierarchy. These are names that already come with predefined ideas of their strength so they make a better shorthand than "S tier" or "A tier", like what tf does that even mean.
I think I have experienced brain damage from the amount of times I've seen pirate king tiers in one piece tier lists You can't even reliably say that roger is stronger than wb, so we gonna say wb is potentially pirate king+ level 😭
Lemme think, there are 4 admirals huh. There are 4 yonko too. Admirals are at least yonko level if not stronger. People like to down play admirals cuz of aramaki but you gotta realize the situation he was in. He was already fighting a losing battle, cuz he could easily beat momonosuke and yamato but when shanks showed up he had no chance of winning, especially if any of the worst generation showed up. I do believe shanks is the strongest yonko, and aramaki would lose to him, but sakazuki vs shanks would be dead even, maybe in sakazukis favor. I think sakazuki is the strongest in the verse besides imu.
Then why are the Yonko a thing...if the marines had 4 figures each equivalent to a Yonko strength wise the seas would be purged of yonkos since the marines work as a unit unlike the Yonko who act indipendently
@@screwloose261 We know for a fact that the weakest admiral Ryokyugo is strong enough to low diff king and queen (yes they were 'weakened', but his statement on admirals being ashamed if they couldn't beat a commander still holds up), so it's safe to assume that at least akainu and kizaru are as strong as peak kaido. I've always thought, "why don't the marines go kill all the yonko?" If they send two admirals and a legion of battleships to kaidos island they would probably win, but it would result in immense casualties so that's why they haven't done it. Not to mention they would be spreading their forces too thin, and other yonko or the revolutionaries could just siege marie jois or HQ. Akainu would not send troops on a suicide mission unless he KNEW for a fact they were going complete their mission, his whole character is 'the ends justify the means' but if there are no ends then the means were pointless sacrifices that could have been avoided.
I dont know if i agree but i would conclude that definitely that matchups between two individual crews for Class tiers should be name differently and i also like the old tiers a lil bit more just cause they help us out a lot inseeing the power scale matchups and thats it. 😢😊😊
i already like this video because the thumbnail because in the limited amount of one piece i know it seems like yonko is a statement more of status and influence, more like the general power of a yonko AND his fleet rather than his strength. IE buggy being a yonko its not an invdividual strength level but actually how much pull he has in the world
Dude, all three main Admirals went ALL OUT against Whitebeard. It is pretty easy to powerscale since Whitebeard was both OLD and SICK. Garp HAS TO BE about Whitebeard's level, more or less; and HERE we find the best interpretation of "Yonko" level. The list you trashed, because it was wrong, could have been fixed using established averages of power. Here we would use powerscaling like a timeline, where multiple "levels" would overlap. A, B, C, letter tiers are less complicated, but also less in depth. Better for non stat based nerds. Also, Akainu and Blackbeard are probably same level, and Kuzan is just about as powerful. Shanks and Mihawk still TOP, and Garp is probably on par with Shanks; Shanks has to be anywhere from Blackbeard to Roger level, and Mihawk has to be close to that. Garp wiped Kuzan(who is equalvalent to Blackbeard), and Blackbeard's WHOLE CREW! They were just lucky Koby is a dumbass scrub, so Shiryu(Death Dragon) Blackbeard's RIGHT HAND ASSASSIN could FORCE Garp to take an invisisble sword in his lung! Garp may die at Blackbeard's hands, but that's ONLY cause Garp's hands are tied. I think Shanks is VASTLY above Blackbeard, and Shanks will be the lowest bar we EVER see Roger's combat techniques used.
I’m sorry but Yonko level definitely exists it’s very simple and straight forward if you’re stronger than every commander and you’re equal or stronger than an admiral that’s Yonko level it’s not that hard to understand
Jesus Burgess is the first mate of Blackbeard! Captain of the first Titanic ship and was the first to be recruited by Blackbeard and is the one who's known Blackbeard the longest! But but Shiryu was on that one volume cover so there for he is Blackbeard's first mate and the strongest! Make that make sense! Jesus has stronger evidence in canon going for him here just by the pattern of how first mates work! Also Perospero is big mom's first mate not katakuri! Being the first born and her direct advisor, her ambassador! This community is often pretty fukkin stupid! Lol
icl the katakuri slander was crazy today but man, that community post really makes it justified🤣
Kat can’t catch a break his ass always getting slandered over here😭
Why katakuri vs RestlessGambler isn’t close
Never apologize for speaking the truth also we need a top 10 tier list from you( maybe top 50 so katakuri fans can feel included).
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why kat vs buggy isn't close@@DragonHippo1823
Can this guy even make a video without taking things out of context? Anyone who can read knows the Buggy and Mihawk situation. And yes these tiers do exist, when 2 Yonkos fights who fights the other Yonko? A Yonko, who fights the Yc1? The other Yc1. Oda has been consistent with this even with the crew, Luffy fights the strongest and Zoro fights the second strongest. Also we have AN to confirm this, Ace Novel : "Yonko do not fight each other because if two fight neither will survive and more importantly they believe it might expand the influence of the other two Yonko"
He isn't saying these tiers of power do not exist within an organization - of course they do. And if you are an organization that has to fight another one, of course your best is going to fight their best, 2nd best the 2nd best, and so on. That's what makes logical sense.
He's saying you can't use that tier system to directly compare two characters from DIFFERENT organizations/groups and say they're relative because they hold the same position within their group.
Which is what a lot of one piece fans like to do.
bruh you saying he taking things out of context but you talking like u haven't watched the video lol. Also we've NEVER seen any yc1 fighting equally unless it's the strawhats vs enemy crew, we've seeen marco fight two yc at once, prime rayleigh fodderize yc1 young marco, and two non yonko level characters fights a yonko (Law+Kidd vs BM). Characters that are in the YC1 possition are NOT relative in power, Mihawk is not on the same level as Katakuri, Ben is not in the same as Marco, and let's not even talk about BBs crew. Or YC2, since Oden soloes most of the YC1 commanders and can even go against the Yonko
I think the big point of the video was aiming more at stuff like people speaking as though things like "YC1 level" exist in one piece when they dont. Katakuri isn't relative to King or Marco or current Zoro just because he occupies the same rank on a different crew. Oden, technically a second commander, probably destroys literally every single yonkou commander we've been introduced to so far with the exception of MAYBE Ben Beckman, easily. There's also the fact that sometimes there are massive power differences between yonkou commanders (Queen and King basically bullying Jack for his weakness compared to them) and sometimes there aren't (Queen and King interacting with each other, constantly implying they are rivals similar to Sanji/Zoro).
THe other things like "admiral level ' or "yonkou level" are probably less important, mostly due to the fact a lot of discussions get bogged down by people saying they have certain characters at "YC3 level" or "this character is a YC1 so they aren't losing to someone who has only beaten a YC2" or some goofy shit.
THANKS FOR SAYING IT
@@gabriellkhe quite literally did say tho by using buggy and mihawk as a valid argument for yonko tier not existing.
Also all the time you been trying to twist facts and context about Katakuri but the reality is that Katakuri is the one that powercliffed Wano characters. It was really simple scaling from Oda but a lot didn't notice, Perospero who is weaker than the 4 sweet commanders was portrayed as Jack equal who is a 3rd commander, this makes the other 4 sweet commanders being matched with the rest of the beast pirates commanders, Snack = Queen, Cracker = King, Smoothie > King. This means Katakuri is on another level but as we know Yamato exist and that would be Katakuri's fight if they ever fought.
Finally! Someone with a brain
Perospero being relative to Jack doesnt put everyone above Pero to match the beast pirates commanders above Jack. They could all be lower than Queen and that doesnt conflict with Perospero being relative to Jack with Kat being above Pero
Respectfully this is some crackhead logic. Inu and Neko were both beaten to near death by Kaido. The fact that Perospero and Jack were able to beat on them doesn’t mean Perospero=Jack. Also, Perospero was much closer to full power while Jack was nearly killed by Sulong Inu/Neko on the rooftop.
Wth is bro talking about?
What is bro waffling about?
Context is key. Even though Buggy is a Yonko, he's not that way because of individual strength, he's that way because of clout and influence, both very important things to have as a Yonko.
Yeah we know why the marines gave him the titled of yonko in the story, but in the case of powerscaling people are talking about his actual strength, not his influence.
One Piece is divided in two categories: Characters who would loose to Akainu and Akainu
Not just one piece all of fiction is divided like that
Fax. Oda got this man behind a desk so he don't fuck around and end the series in a Year
@@mightguy3118Give Akainu 30 chapters and he solos the Yonkou and finds the One Piece
So blackbeard on the winning side
and everyone else on the other?
Cool
Yeah when kizaru shows his real power we will se the real power of akainu
Yonko isn’t a title that requires strength, it actually requires influence. Buggy might not be strong, but his influence literally changed the freaking world when their crew decided to give bounties for some of the marines. People tend to forget about this shit, but he is one of the greatest treats right now in the series
Which honestly makes me wonder if Buggy is in fact a member of one of the D clan. I know it’s become a meme at this point, but considering he seems to have the ability to get people to rally behind him, it truly makes me wonder.
@@TheWiseguyt Rocks D. Buggy just feels real to me at this point lol
Didn’t we call yonko level those who definitely have shown “sky splitting” haki clash, that’s why when luffy did it, it was major moment because he officially stepped foot in that level of people. Yeah it’s a vague name, especially because admirals and mihawk, garp are in that level as well, but we called it that because canonically it was only shown yonko do it. If you really don’t want to call it yonko level, just call it “sky splitting” level
You could split the sky pretty easily bro with devil fruits and shit but i see where ur coming from people like zoro and kid could do it and law def but but shit like fucking dragons in one piece can prob do it
@@nagato8726devil fruits don’t have the attack potency of haki, the strength of strong haki comes from the fact an attack potency system can destroy the environment like that to split the skies ( which I doubt any devil fruit power can other than the gura fruit) , which would mean it can bust through any devil fruit.
@@beburs Yeah i get that but Still if have the right df u can do it Just normally people who split it are using haki to fight and they clash
Maybe your not getting the point of scaling them in yc lvls so let me correct you.
Argument Number 1: *I love Katakuri*
Thanks for listening. I hope you make a video righting your wrongs 🙂
wow
@@RestlessGamblrr wie (The II)
I use Gear levels to scale. For example,Katakuri is WCI Gear 4 level. Kaido is gear 5 level. Arlong is East Blue level and Lucci is Pre TS gear 2 level.
Damn I never thought of that, actually a really good way to scale@@Sinsmoke_
lmfaoo
I would never in my life hear someone refer to Lebron as Ben Becman 😭 I love this channel bro
i think everyone understands how dumb the power scaling is, we just use it because it’s simple and with common sense everyone understands it
OK we obviously know that the thing with Buggy is a joke. When people say Yonko level, they’re not referring to buggy they’re referring to the people who reflect that level of strength, Oda likes to make jokes all the time which is why choppers bounty is so low when he’s not that weak, just from the first two minutes of this video that’s already a major thing taken out of context
But what exactly is that strength? Who are they scaling this strength to? Buggy is still a yonko so do we scale yonko level to him? Or do we scale it to being able to split the sky? And if we do use the splitting sky what about yc1 or 2?
@@Void-a7k you couldn’t have read my response all the way through, it’s literally stated that yonko, warlords and marines are a balance of power which gives an establishment of strength to each entity, and just like most other shonen the characters are scaled to each other most likely when ppl say yonko level they are referring to the original 4 who were all told to be SOMEWHAT close to each other, power levels in every anime aren’t as clear cut as something like dragon ball, so we create spectrums like yonko level
@@fmwu1574 what about yc1?
@@fmwu1574 we literally know people like kaido and shanks are way above the likes of big mom and sickbeard so no they arent relative
The Katakuri slander is insane. Hes a really good character. And even tho he has been power crept out of top teir he is by no means "shit" or "fodder"
yea that was all jokes, i like slandering him
Yeah but the whole fan base around him scales to the likes of the mha fanbase. Kat still loses to the other “yc1”
@@recnanledalb6825i mean he would lose to zoro, sanji, king and marco honestly
@@RestlessGamblrrwhy do you like slandering him? Is it because of the fans or do you just not like him?
@@Disheartthornkatacuri fandom is annoying af
Sanji's my second favorite One Piece character, but some Sanji fanboys are lost in dishonesty. They always try to make Queen and the Beast pirates look stronger than they really were, because of course it makes Sanji look good.
Queen was actually the worst excuse for a yonkou commander. I've never seen a guy take so many Ls.
Jack was relative to Perospero, and Ulti in her hybrid form couldn't even harm a repressed base Luffy, who kept his newer strength and abilities for a dramatic reveal vs Kaido.
Each one of the fucking Germa Five (six if we include soba mask) would have probably destroyed a Tobi Roppo, and give Jack and Queen a good fight.
Rational Sanji fans can only be mad he didn't get to shine vs an opponent as formidable as King or Katakuri.
Sanji would Molly wop kat and king for that matter
@@WOUmurderstomps that, my friend was an opinion based on nothing canon.
Here are facts:
Sanji was left in the dust by G4 Luffy up until early Wano: Doflamingo low-diffed Sanji but got completely wrecked by G4 Luffy. Later on, Luffy grew even stronger by having high difficulty fight vs two whole yonkou commanders for almost a combined 24 hours, and he had a haki bloom,while Sanji was pretty much baking cakes and being held hostage.
Sanji's biggest power up post timeskip is him getting the enhancements that his brothers have. Cool, but said enhancements proved rather useless against Katakuri, who no-diffed Ichiji.
Keep in mind Ichiji had a germa suit on top of germa genes, that's double the enhancement. And he's a trained, battle-hardened soldier, belonging to a force that has changed the tide of many wars, and is the envy of many, even Yonkou Big Mom.
Even if Sanji caught up power-wise to WCI G4, that would be an incredible achievement for him. After all, at that point, only Admirals and Yonkou boxed higher than Luffy's power. He was even nicknamed Fifth Emperor. In early Wano, Luffy probably could have beaten all the Beast pirates 1v1, save for their boss Kaido, and maybe King (haki bloom needed).
Sanji's not molly wopping none of those guys. Bum ass, simp coward, self-shooting, ultra blitzable, Chopper-bitchslappable, and dumb enough to go for a sneak attack on a geisha in the middle of a high stakes duel Queen gave him a high diff fight.
It would require nothing short of a miracle for him to beat Kat or King with less than extreme diff. Super-extreme difficulty, at best.
@@almy-qy1lf"Sanji's biggest power up post timeskip is him getting the enhancements that his brothers have. Cool, but said enhancements proved rather useless against Katakuri, who no-diffed Ichiji." holy shit you're trolling. Sanjis durability and enhancements are in a completely different realm than his brothers
@@YoastnToastn cool headcanon.
Factually though, there is no indication whatsoever that Sanji's awakening gave his body properties that are any better than what his siblings have, in terms of exoskeleton, bone properties (they seem to have bones that bend instead of breaking) or regen.
Of couse, Sanji is stronger, but that's because he trained his non-enhanced body for years, and is a trained haki user. But no proof whatsoever that his new body properties are any better than his siblings'. He got the same benefits, but from a higher starting point, that's all.
@@almy-qy1lf
It took hours for Reiju to recover from a bullet wound. Sanji healed from his spine and leg being shattered in seconds. Hybrid Queen swung a massive sword directly down onto Sanji's neck and it just shattered (thisa is hybrid queen who scales over katakuri is strength/ap by a lot)
and why are you bringing up ichiji anyways when we know that sanji is magnitudes stronger than him in every way
I understand some people misuse these "titles" but to shit on them is unfair because it makes sense when you use the characters that represent that lvl well and can be used as a standard against which others can be compared e.g Yonko lvl for me means you are relative to Shanks, Kaido and Big Mom and I think everyone can agree none of those characters are low diff(ing) the other . I guess what I'm tryna say is , if used correctly and with a proper setup like the one I just explained, this lvl thing makes sense and it doesn't matter what your official in-story title is , it's about your individual power . SIMPLE!
Good luck Trying to explain that to the Mayority of the Fandom that Thinks Being A Yonko automatically means you can duke it out with Kaido and Big Mom. It’s just easier to get rid of the title Scaling and Do the Clasic SABCD tier lists.
Its hard to debate with someone who does not undertsand what context is. Yonkou kevel refers to someone who has the capacity as one of the strongest in the verse (usually but isnt limited to Yonkous)
Like he didn’t make a single good faith argument here
This guy is a typical admiral meat rider,what do you expect other than outright downplaying conqueror’s haki and denying yonko’s overwhelming strength.
yo keep it up man you’ll hit 100k in no time
You know I once compared Lucci to a tobbiroppo member saying he was tobbiroppo level.
I was told that level of power doesn't have exist and to use an actual scale.
Now here's what's got me fucked up remembering this.
1. Marines rank their strongest fighters through promotions, the higher your rank the more powerful or productive you are. How ever because the vice admirals barely do shit they aren't on the power scale because we see pirates a majority of the time. The Marines are an actually solid power scale despite outliers because they have in character reasons for not wanting it, for example the admirals have to be the top 3, not the top 10.
2. Next we have actual strength based crews that have titles. Big Mom's kids have 2 titles sweet commanders and ministers. Minister's are like 1st rate fodder, they are strong enough to defend their parts of the territory and run it, how ever they are comparedly weak, severely even to commanders.
3. Kaido scales his crew based on performance. In order you have himself, the lead preformers, flying six, gifters, pleasures, and waiters. Now if you notice just by eating a smile you can either go up one rank or 2 ranks. If your smile "works" you get to the 4th best rank but your still fodder.
4. Compared to the Marines kaido's crew has the best scale of strength despite the bottom 3 ranks being different flavors of fodder. So If you want to scale correctly change the tiers to Marine titles for all the tiers instead.
I think the WG called roger the PK to fuck him over using other pirates's hands cuz he found out about what he shouldn't.
Probably the reason shiki was able to gather an army of ships against roger.
I feel like you're being pedantic. The disdain to using "Yonko level" or "Admiral level" etc has been viewed with increased skepticism lately, but I feel like it is completely unjustified. When someone says someone is "Admiral level" (or whatever), they don't literally mean that they are an admiral, this much should be obvious. Rather what it means is as you said, that they are relative to characters that have this title. But I'd say it's more accurate to say they have strength that one would EXPECT to TYPICALLY see from someone with that title. Buggy is a Yonko, but he doesn't have the strength you'd typically expect to see from a Yonko, therefore he's not Yonko level (and him being a Yonko should be seen as an obvious exception that shouldn't lower the expected strength of a "typical" yonko). Mihawk is technically a Yonko commander, but his strength is (imo) what you'd expect to see from a Yonko, therefore he is Yonko level. These terms have picked up traction for a reason, and that is because of how much information they convey. The term "Yonko First Commander" immediately gives us associations to Marco, Katakuri, King, etc, which in turn gives us an immediate scale of power, and thus it conveys a lot of information in a simple phrase. And that doesn't change even though all members within that category are not on the exact same level. Power scaling is more nuanced than that, and as long as you have that in the back of your mind when you use or see these phrases then there should be no issues with them at all. If your takeaway from all of this is that we should revert to the S, A, B, C, etc rankings, then why? Those are literally meaningless and carry no meaning other than placing different characters in a somewhat ordered list. Would you honestly prefer if people say Whitebeard is S tier?
Grandline Review did this a few years ago. BDA Law also made a reaction video to his stuff.
Bro's whole argument is 90% Buggy and 10% Katakuri. He's reading with his ass😂
The video was literally meant to criticize people that use naming fallacies and association fallacies to scale characters. Watch the video before you speak on it.
@@Ghostface833Oh no, I've seen it. He's using characters that the autor makes us know that they are the exception. There's been two whole chapters of Oda showing us why Buggy's title is a lie. The autor went out of his way to say to us why Buggy isn't strong compared to all the other yonko and that Mihawk is the real powerhouse of Cross Guild. He then uses EAST BLUE BUGGY to say that Luffy is supposedly Yonko level by then because he defeated him which is the dumbest thing I've ever heard in the OP community. (by that stupid logic Doflamingo is still stronger than Law because he defeated him in Dressrosa, without taking into consideration that characters gets stronger with the past of time) Let's not even talk about the admirals because by this point their hype and powerscale are more dead than Ace (b-but Kizaru was mentally nerf 🤓🤓). Titles don't always correlate but to say that they are completely useless is stupid af. Take "YC1 level" for example, we know that this characters are pretty strong but are a level away of Admirals and anything above that, they don't necessarily need to have that title but strength wise that's where they rank. Same with other power level, it's fairly ease to make a tier list with those rank if you forget the titles but you still have a standard for those levels (yonko level is fairly easy because even Oda has show us a lot of times how they "split the skies" you just put Mihawk there cause he's relatively to Shanks and that's that) Mihawk IS a YC1 but strength wise he is far beyond that, doesn't mean that the ranks are bad, just use your brain and everything falls into place.
@@danielcano0201 there are massive gaps in power between all the "YC1's", the tier still doesnt make sense
@@YoastnToastn read what I said AGAIN: Titles don't always correlate but to say that they are completely useless is stupid af. Take "YC1 level" for example, we know that this characters are pretty strong but are a level away of Admirals and anything above that, they don't necessarily need to have that title but strength wise that's where they rank. Same with other power level, it's fairly ease to make a tier list with those rank if you forget the titles but you still have a standard for those levels (yonko level is fairly easy because even Oda has show us a lot of times how they "split the skies" you just put Mihawk there cause he's relatively to Shanks and that's that) Mihawk IS a YC1 but strength wise he is far beyond that, doesn't mean that the ranks are bad, just use your brain and everything falls into place.
Great video as always man I wish the rest of the one piece community would do this
I like to say “sky splitting level” seems more accurate. All the characters who can sky split should be able to contend each other.
pirate king level is the worst one tbh, the main character of the story and buggy literally said all u have to do is find raftel💀Admiral the only one that make sense lowkey.
Great Video❤️.
This is all I wanted to say to those who say God level>pirate King level>Yonko level>Admiral level>commander level>.......
We should say that a character is on Zoro's level/Whitebeard's level/Shanks's level/Akainu's level etc instead of Yc1 level/Pirate King level/Yonko level/Fleet Admiral level etc.
Nah the Katakuri example is not it because he DOES have the feats
Its not about being in the same position in their respective crews, Marco, King and Kat are relative becuse of how they are presented and treated.
Look at Perospero clearly being Tobi roppo level at least, and he is not close to his little brother in power.
Theres about the same difference between King and the tobi roppo than Katakuri with Perospero for all we saw
So its not about them having the sane positions, its how Oda wants to scale them against each other.
Beckman, for example, IS IN FACT above those 3, without a doubt, because its clear how he is presented
But people cant come tell me Katakuri is the best of the fodder when one of those "fodder" characters is being clearly shown relative to Tobi roppo, in Perospero.
The tobi roppo were also comparably fodder. Like sure they were strong but outside of who's who none of them really put up that good of a fight and there very clearly is a noticeable gap between them and even Jack and then there's just as big of a gap between Jack and Queen and King. Also u have to keep in mind katakuri's major advantage was because he had unlocked haki on another level than any main antagonist outside of yonkos. His future sight is what gave him such a massive advantage over luffy and once luffy was starting to just get a little taste of it he instantly started turning the fight around obviously other stuff happened but that advantage that Kat had was what made him so intimidating at the time but now everyone who is top tier has haki that is either on his level or even higher since unlike the strawhats katakuri had never battled with anyone who could challenge him until luffy and there's more than a dozen characters at that time that were stronger than luffy. Also forgot that luffy clashed with ulti and that was after luffy got a massive power boost yet her basic haki was able to compete with luffy for a couple seconds which I'm not sure katakuri would be able to do to wano luffy after the prison break
I get where you are coming from but a few exceptions to the rule doesn't mean the rule itself isn't valid. Most of the Emperors are top tiers. Buggy is only an emperor due to his influence and "feats" from the viewpoint of the Marines/World Government. In terms of Katakuri, he is a victim of power cliffing. I agree titles/positions in a crew aren't everything. Sanji is a cook and yet is stronger than most vice-captains fro example.
I love that a few of the top comments are fellow fans of Akainu. WE PAPAZUKI FOLLOWERS KNOW WHO THE GOAT IS. Everyone else simps for these mickey mouse ass villains that cant kill fodder, meanwhile Papazuki is going to fucking kill your favorite side character.
Major W, yonko fans gonna be crying when sakazuki shows his full power as the fleet admiral
Damn Katakuri do be catching some strays 🤣🤣
As a gag character in an action manga, Buggy is actually at the highest possible tier of power. He might stumble but ultimately he can never be defeated.
admiral teir is lower than yonko teir because the world gov’t put in place to power systems to balance out the original cast of yonkos (Warlords and Admirals to balance =Yonko) even after the warlords where dismantled the marines on multiple occasions say the powers are unbalanced do to them just having admirals < yonkos (Big mom,blackbeard,shanks,kaido)
The disrespect for Katakuri is crazy he isn't weak he just had to be introduced to early because no way Luffy was boring with Big Mom this early and we know he's whooping Burgess ass not really that hard since Sabo was able to wipe the floor with him no disrespect to Sabo btw
i never unironically said he’s weak
Katakuri isnt weak, its just that most other commanders seen as "yc1 level" are stronger, and his placement with them because of the fact that he's second in command on big mom's crew doesnt make sense
it's not EVEN the fact he introduced early, it's The Fact he Never appear with Feats Again
He's a fodder accept it instead of crying here
@@RestlessGamblrryou called the man’s fodder…
Mihawk bending the knee to Buggy is mad 😂😂
Bruh said a whole bunch of nothing while trying to cope for Sanji 💀
What!?, He literly proved that Scaling Characters only with Status alone is incossistant.
You are HILARIOUS. WHY You gotta do my boy katakuri like that 😭
I think from you're explanation. Just means you should place certain people in certain ranks. Like White beard prime was also pirate king tier.
That's why you should switch to High Top Tier/Mid Top Tier/Low Top Tier or something like that when making a list .
Love the content, but I'm sure we can all agree that exceptions exist. With Buggy being one of them. As a general rule, Yonko, Admiral, and Commander level all have a relative range of strength that's apparent.
Yeah moria shows so much relativity to Doffy
Greenbull shows so much relativity to Akainu
Blackbeard shows so much relativity to shanks😭
no they arent
Zoro and Beckman >>> Katakuri for example
LoL, Katakuri will be admiral level next time we meet him! because he has more narrative significance than any other YC1! that's how Oda does it!
Exactly
Dudes out there fighting oven no way he is gonna be admiral level he hasn't even trained once
The fight starts and Katakuri fans start coping.
The fight starts and katakuri fans' braincells
*disappear*
@@immortalRob8791 They had braincells in the first place?
@@wilfridekoue1405they had 2 braincells fighting for the 4th place
I’m just saying akainu is technically pirate king level since he could find the one piece in a year
Oda said hed finish writing one piece in a year if luffy had akainus devil fruit, that dosent mean that akainu is pk level lmao
@@mirzazulic2057 so akainus non awakened devil fruit is now a upgrade from luffys awakened fruit which is a god personified ? He was clearly referring to akainu himself.
@@Jamb3to it is the most offensive devil fruit yes, but when you get haki involved akainu gets railed by people like prime wb, roger and myb even shanks
Akainu was stated to be strong enough where, if he was the main character, he'd fine One Piece within a year. Emphasis on if he was the MAIN CHARACTER, which means he gets MC writing. Not that Akainu currently bodies everyone lmao.
@@mirzazulic2057 Oda literally said he has to make sure not to make a mc too op. Then gave an example and said if akainu was the main character he'd end the series in a year. No way around it akainu Is that GUY
The Mihawk Buggy part isn’t a good argument and I don’t agree about the Admirals vs Yonko but I agree with the general premise I’ve been saying this for a while now. The reason this started is because initially the story presented things as Yonko and their underlings being near equal but in reality as the series as gone on we see the characters have different feats and portrayal
Why do so many people think Kat is the weaker than someone like King? In the manga their feats are similar. I agree with the overall point of the video but Kat was very impressive and calling him fodder feels very hyperbolic
He's fodder cause he lost to wci gear4th luffy which base luffy is wano is stronger then and king is stronger then base wano luffy
By the end of their fight, BASE Luffy is able to injure Katakuri. During Early Wano, a stronger Luffy, using G4, gets blitzed and one shotted by kaido, a character whom Luffy could do 0 damage to. After training in Udon, Luffy advances himself in armament haki by two levels (the first of which lets him emanate haki away from his body, the second of which lets him do that AND internally destroy opponents). Rooftop Luffy, in base form, immediately does better against Kaido than his previous g4 did, meaning Base rooftop Luffy>>>>Early Wano Luffy in G4>>>>Whole Cake Island G4 Luffy. Zoro, who didn't have any advanced armament, is able to cut through Kaido's scales and pop out attacks that even Big Mom demanded Kaido dodge., meaning that this Zoro>>>>>> Early Wano G4 Luffy>>>>Luffy that beat Kat. King is able to not only take on this Zoro but even overpower some of his attacks that cut could Kaido and even TANK some of those Kaido cutting attacks. In order to defeat him, Zoro learns to use his latent COC and apply COC coating to his swords. ACOC is such a big powerup that Base LUffy with ACOC>>>>G4 ROoftop Luffy with just advanced armament>>>>> Base rooftop Luffy>>>>> Early Wano G4 Luffy>>>>> Katakuri. King is STILL able to put up a fight against this monster Zoro until Zoro takes him down when his defenses are lowered.
The idea that Kat scales to people like King is straight wank.
@@Shoddragon While training to learn advanced armament Hyogoro states that swords men and other weapon users use a form of advanced armament because they naturally let their haki flow into other objects so to say that Zoro didn’t have it is wrong
This argument also ignores that King defense was crazy high. Not only is he a ancient zone user he’s also a Lunarian. So yes his defense is definitely way higher that Kat’s but that does not put him in a totally different league. I say that Sanjli vs Zoro is a good comparison. Sanji defense is way higher but I do not believe that puts him above Zoro.
My last point is that the Scabbards were able to injure Kaido but to put any of them over Kat is ridiculous.
I do believe that King, Zoro and Sanji are all stronger than Kat but that doesn’t put Kat out of the conversation
@@moeman813
-Hyogoro was using this to show why so many characters in Wano have advanced armament, not that swordsmen naturally use advanced armament. SO far, we have nothing concrete to suggest Zoro us using advanced armament. THe closest we have is Kaido sensing the haki coming from Enma being strange and feeling like Oden but that doesn't really imply anything related to advanced armament.
-Yes it does lmfao. Lunarian physiology is so potent that it is the entire basis of the Seraphim to begin with. Also we cannot ignore that King OVERPOWERED several of Zoro's Kaido-cutting attacks.
- Is it ridiculous? Several of the scabbards could already 1v1 Jack, a dude with a bounty equivalent to Kat's. The scabbards arguably haki bloomed during the raid which means they all got even stronger. Kaido even notes that Jack isn't weak, Sulong Inu/Neko are just that strong (confirming that Sulong Inu and Neko>>> Jack). I don't think saying that the rooftop scabbards after their haki bloom>>> Kat is that outrageous to say, especially since Jack was convinced that Inu and Neko while on the verge of death would still completely stomp the tobiroppo.
- Nah he's out of the convo with things as they are now. Like I've proven, the gap is massive.
@@Shoddragonperospero is somewhat relative to jack lil bro
I keep forgetting bro has less than 20k subs despite being the father of Sanji agenda.
😭😭😭
@@RestlessGamblrr
Don't worry man, You can get to the top. I trust!
@@RestlessGamblrr don’t worry end of the series we sanji fans will be smiling harder than roger😂🗣️.
Mad bars but the Buggy disrespect though
Yonko title is about influence,power and territories
Admiral title is about strength, fighting ability they are trained their whole life.
Admiral>Yonko
If you take thing literal
Admirals fans propaganda,of course you will say that despite the fact admirals have WAY inferior haki which makes the yonko level,there is a reason kizaru got one shotted by luffy.
You taking the titles too literally. Just because Mihawk and Katekuri are actually YC1 doesn’t mean they are YC1 power level. 🤦♂️ And Yes Buggy’s a yonko but he’s not yonko level it’s not a literal term
I think Yonko level is fine to exist. They were stated to be at a stalemate for many years, Kaido and Big Mom are nearly exact equals in strength, and for the Buggy point the main reason he became a Yonko is because he has Mihawk on his crew, Mihawk even has a higher bounty than Buggy still. I do agree that the YC1 tier is bullshit, Queen is fairly relative to King and Ben Beckmann is fairly close to Shanks, so putting Queen and Ben Beckmann being around the same tier is far from logical
did you not read wano? Kaido is much stronger than big mom and the fight isnt close if kaido isnt holding back
@@YoastnToastn in Wano Kaido and Big Mom fought as equals for days straight. Also they have different skill sets that makes Kaido seem a lot stronger, Kaido is more focused on pure physical attack and defense, while Big Mom is an all arounder with more devil fruit focus. So Kaido can take more hits than Big Mom, but she also has so many abilities that Kaido just doesnt (army of homies, completely immoral homies from her soul, weather control, fix her broken bones, eat her own soul for power boost, etc). Also keep in mind that Kaido was completely defeated while Big Mom was ready to keep fighting and was just pushed into magma. She fully tanked Kid’s laser and was just being pushed backwards by it, the same laser could wipe out Shank’s fleet in 1 blast (to be fair they are pretty weak for a Yonko crew, but still extremely impressive)
yeah idk when pirate king and yonko lvl took off but there's really no such thing IMO. Given how strong akainu and kuzan are yonko and admirals should be a similar lvl
I mean there are tiers to characters
Pirate king level/People that are equal to Roger level
Yonko
Admiral/Low Yonko
YC1
YC2
YC3
Tobiroppo
And yeah some characters go into different tiers but it's accurate most of the time
Like Sanji goes into YC1 even tho he's the third in command
And jinbe is YC2
And Vista and Jozu are YC2
Etc
But most of the time they stay in the tiers their title is
Zoro is YC1
Marco is YC1
Etc
Admirals > pkl
@@DragonHippo1823 💀
@@dsw-2898 why tf is admirals=low yonko level? What is low yonko level? The admirals and yonko's are pretty much =
An accurate title tier list would be hilarious
You took everything I’ve been saying and articulated it in the best way possible in 12 minutes
This dude kust shattered everything i thought i knew about one piece
I think the main reason is because we are forgetting the West isn't the main demographic for anime the main demographic is 12-14 year old Japanese boys who really don't care about power scaling
I agree except for the yonko level. We know that at least in the original yonkos (shirohige, kaido, big mom and shanks) although with slight differences in power, they are all relative to each other (at least according to ace's novel). Prior to this, we know that roger, shiki, and shirohige are relative to each other. And currently we have luffy who defeated kaido, kurohige, shanks and buggy. Buggy's argument seems wrong to me, the navy believes that buggy is a legendary pirate comparable to shanks, they don't know that he is weak . And we also have how mihawk says to let buggy be the bisible head because he doesn't want to be a yonko. So I think history shows us how everyone who shares tirulod and yonko has a similar level or is perceived by the public as relative.
I agree with the idea that the yonko commander and pirate king levels should not exist.
The admiral level I think is too soon. It has yet shown us how powerful they are. I think that history has presented us to all admirals as relative to each other. But I also think that possibly the Admirals are as strong as the Yonkos. So more than a yonko lvl or admiral lvl it would be more of a top tier lvl.
My boy kat always catching strays 😭
Yonko are the most influential pirates, not necessarily the strongest. Just like bounties don't necessarily reflect power, even though that is a factor. Nice vid, always good to reiterate that Kataturi IS NOT THAT GUY
Admiral Level is the most consistent level in all of One Piece, not even Yonko. Makes sense given the point of that position, when it comes to pirates, which is not one organization, it's all relative
I think most people know and acknowledge that there is a wide gap in strength between characters with the same rank, it’s just more fun to use these titles as tiers as opposed to the standard S-F tiers. I just think Admiral and Yonko should be merged as one tier, the commanders should be 1 or 2 tiers and not be based off their rank in their respective crews, and pirate king level should be called Legends.
Labeling tiers this way is a convenience thing. Saying somebody is an "A tier" fighter doesn't give a reference point for strength without putting more people in that tier. Like if I say Law is "A tier", what does that mean? Can he fight on Luffy's level? Is that closer to Sanji? S-F is better for labels when making a full tier list in front of you, sure, but if I say "I think Law is yonkou level", even without hearing more, you can probably guess I think he's roughly around Whitebeard at Marineford, or Big Mom/Kaido in strength, since those are the yonkou we've seen go all out.
Nobody thinks of Buggy when they hear "yonkou tier" in casual conversation; that's silly.
I'll give you that using "warlord" as a strength label is bad though. Warlords have been wildly inconsistent in strength from member-to-member since their introduction, so nobody even has a ballpark idea of what that should mean.
You got something against Katakuri bruh, like I really dont care less, but Luffy fuckin almost ran from him, like out of fear, didn’t he, and not even considering his rank in his crew, but as a character, with how many other characters has Luffy been shown petrified.. anyway, its kind of futile, Imma enjoy the story as it goes…..its fun either way
That doesn't change the fact that he is still weaker than most yc1
nobody is saying to not enjoy Kat as a character. kat was awesome. It's just when it comes to powerscaling, he got cliffed hard.
@@conradthekingofcurses yc1 has crazy strong people, true, way stronger than Katakuri, true, theres Oden, Ben Beckman, Mihawk, Rayleigh in his prime, and others but the point here is that Katakuri while not as strong as them is still significant in my opinion, for someone who’s presence was so imposing, while Luffy being the point of reference…I cant see even a few of opponents having accomplished that, Luffy who is unfazed in the face of almost everything thats out there, his interaction with Katakuri turned into a critical moment in the further development of Luffy’s character….
@@saurabhsingh6227 What does him being "imposing" to a WCI luffy have to do anything with a powerscaling video when he is weaker than most of the yc1s?
@@conradthekingofcurses hmmmm, this video kind of smashes the power scaling thing doesn’t it, in simple words the argument here is that titles can be misleading ! Be it YC1 or YONKO. Now that Buggy has been declared as one, now about Katakuri, well I just saw that he’s been categorised as fodder again and again, which I personally disagree with, Im not going to place him with Ben or Rayleigh, ofc not, but he is strong af…so I just made a remark on that, just stating my opinion 🤷🏻♂️
also, second comment, but it's crazy how oda has given us the titles of these groups, like sweet generals/commanders, tobbi roppo, calamities, etc, and no one uses any of those except maybe tobbi roppo. idk i just think saying 'calamity level' or 'doffy family officer' is actually waaaaay more accurate.
This will be the best line If kizaru lose 😂
The video begins....
And all the powerscalers are in shambles
What is that song u use near the end of your vid
Eyes blurry woke up to some gas 😮💨LEBRON IS NOT THE BEST ON THAT TEAM BROTHER CURRY>>> 😭
Frrr
I like ur takes btw
I support the Katakuri slander also congrats on getting 20k
IK your not there as yet but this vid will make it 🛐
Buggy got yonko status from clout, previous working experience and influence he got with his delivery service. Tbh I kinda respect the luck, lying and smarts that got buggy to his position
Am happy to see more people shutting down things like "commander levels". It's always irritating to participate in a discussion only for people to pull shit like "um actually Katakuri beats character because he's a YC1 which means he HAS to be relative to people like King or Ben Beckman!". You're right, nobody in One Piece thinks like this. When Marco takes on QUeen and King, he doesn't state "OH MAN A YC2 lmfao ez, only King will be difficult!", he states that holding off 2 people worth over 1 billion berries is tough. It's the same thing with vice admirals: they go from as weak as smoker to as strong as Tsuru (who was confirmed to have fought Jack and was shown scaring Doflamingo when she was younger just by her showing up) and Garp (who can throw hands with Aokiji). IDK why so many people gloss over this.
ayyy absolute facts, let's also not act like the gap between king and queen is high, through portrayal and bounty they are very close. king is definitely stronger than queen, but it's not night and day like some people think. look at the way king and queen bully tf out of jack and jack just takes that shit
Great vid..but you tried buggy sama a lil too much..
Yonko level is pretty well established as close to whitebeard, shanks kaido or big mom in strenght. Although id argue there is probably a considerable gap in strength between shanks and old wb or big mom. Just because buggy got ascended to yonko (because he has a yonko level crew member, Mihawk) that doesnt mean buggy is yonko level in terms of his own individual strength. Its pretty simple. And yonko level was a standar set by the one piece manga itself when its stated that "the punch can take down a yonko with enough preparation time". I agree with the yonko commander stuff tho. That makes way less sense.
2:44 Luffy in Orange Town Yonko Level Conformed????🤨🤨🤨🤨📸📸📸📸
Also gotta love how so meany one peice fans use terms like fraud(a term that only really makes sense when used to describe someone like buggy or the fake strawhats) and fodder(a term that also only really works when used to describe nameless grunts like kaido's numbers,pleasures and gifters).
As a way to describe charecters who are incredibly powerful and have actual personalites or roles in the story,just becouse they can't one shot or speed blitz characters like kaido,shanks or garp
Yonko level: people relative to the 4 og yonko
Admiral level: people relative to the 3 admirals(does not include fleet admiral or people that used to be admirals)
YC+ level: people stronger than characters mentioned in YC1 level (basically anyone stronger than king) but weaker then admirals and og yonko
YC1 level: people relative to Marco, katakuri, or king
YC2 level: people relative to queen or smoothie
YC3 level: people relative to jack or cracker
Below Yc: Ex. Doffy, tobiropo, robin, franky
If you go off of guidelines similar to these for the levels, they can actually work. It’s better to base levels off of people that have held titles, instead of every single person that held the title. If you group up every person with the title and put them in the same level, then it would be dumb.
Outside of some things, great breakdown on the relevancy of the scaling.
This has always been how people scaled these levels. It's just that this guy somehow managed to confuse himself and thought he needed to make a video on it.
You forget kuzan and akainu did fought for ten days , that's a feat and they destroy they the island. Also they half kill each other.
I was gonna say SuperiorIQ already made a video on it, but then you said it😂
Our first problem was trying to scale one piece to begin with. Unlike DBZ, nearly everything falls to circumstance
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How the hell Gojo get black lightning in the manga before the goat sanji?😒🤨
Funny how you think Katakuri is trash and fodder, who is weak relative to other first yonko commanders, but didn't mention Marco whatsoever
The kat slander is crazy!!!! Luffy should’ve lost that fight.
The tier is basically the average yonko or average yc1 and that’s why theirs yc+ because they’re not quite as strong as an admiral. These tiers aren’t meant to be based on if you hold that rank after garp is a vice admiral but isn’t vice admiral level their meant to be about the average person in that rank and if your relative to them
Katakuri stay catching strays
I totally agree but the titles are important and do carry weight
You make a point but at the same time gour bias and hate for Katakuri and lack of applying the narrative structure of power creep in One Piece. Discussing power creep would have make hour ooints more concrete IMO Because your scaling videos dont offer a new oerspective for scalint but follow the same scaled you are criticizing (or i could be wrong)
Pirate king level (not the title) -> Roger, Garp, Sengoku, Whitebeard, people who could fight the pirate king of that era
Yonko level only refers to Kaido and maybe Big mom
YC1 refers to King, YC2 refers to Queen
Katakuri is a foreshadowing of whats gonna happen to Kaido in the Final Saga. First YC 1 Shown. First Yonko Fully fleshed out being Kaido. Besides Big Mom who atm is weaker than Lufyf and Kaido by feats now anyway.
Ok ik you biased now cuz no way you said Crocodile > Katakuri and Shiryu > Katakuri 💀 and in terms of performance King has easily shown the worst 😭, I hope y’all realize that Katakuri isn’t as power crept as y’all think he is unless you really wanna say Perospero > Katakuri, who held his own in wano and we saw him block attacks from Marco. “But Ulti barely overpowered a distracted Luffy who wasn’t serious at all” yeah that same mf who’s on par with X Drake and weaker than Jack? Who was shown to be on par with Perospero whos shown to be weaker than Katakuri? Aight yall using pirate warrior stats or smth to base your listing off of at this point 🚶♂️
The list at 1:11 is not a power ranking list, it is a list showing their position in the world or former position. Hence why Garp is at the bottom and Buggy near the top.
I’d say another dumb thing is this excessive focus on “feats” and endurance, durability, etc as if this is some JRPG. Oda doesn’t have these things in mind when he’s drawing these scenes and writing the story. Authorial intent should matter more than everything in this case. If you wanna be super specific about feats we have to start mathematically calculating feat difficulty correspondence to reality lol. Also much of the “feats” discourse is based on story framing to begin with. For example why is sky splitting more impressive than say a large explosion - because we know within the story/writing it’s reserved for the strongest characters clashing.
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Also what’s never considered in these power scaling exercises is how specialists can often defeat well rounded opponents. Someone with a 3/10 on every category but a 10/10 in haki can easily defeat someone with a 9/10 in everything and a 7/10 in haki (maybe even a 9.) also then that not all 10’s are equal etc (for example luffy and shanks both have a 10/10 in haki most likely but Shanks is clearly light years beyond current luffy).
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Overall we shouldn’t rely too much on what’s drawn on the page necessarily but What Oda intends by it (and you brother, Mr restless gambler are guilty of this narrow mindedness when it comes to katakuri). Oda is not a hyper detail-oriented nerd at this micro level (macro, for sure) that he’s calculating how much blood splatter a punch creates.
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I mean even your chopper Vs katakuri video although an April fools joke, had strong arguments from this micro-detail perspective 💀as soon as something is reasonably telling you that chopper can beat katakuri and it’s not absurd, I think we need to reconsider that entire approach since clearly that is not Oda’s intent with the story.
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And I’m just saying this because most OP fans recognize this is Oda’s world to organize. If we take a death of the author approach that’s different and maybe then we can have this weird JRPG scaling constantly imposed onto the page, but I don’t think most OP fans think “forget what oda says and thinks, this world is ours to determine as we wish”. Given that, we should then take into consideration that Oda is very creative and loose with these kinds of things and isn’t necessarily trying to create a detail for detail correct power scaling bonanza in Every panel.
I would also say that there is a relative and absolute standard to what these terms mean. Because Yonkou is not just a term that defines a specific-category of pirate but one that defines a certain capability of fulfilling yonkou responsibilities. So in a world of episode 1 Luffy and a million Kobe’s, that Luffy still wouldn’t be a “yonkou” tier I think because he’s missing some of the absolute fire power needed to maintain territories and the like. He would be stronger than everyone else though, to the same extent that say the current yonkou are. The reason buggy is a yonkou is because he legitimately can fulfill yonkou responsibilities and qualifications which aren’t always (but usually are) limited to individual strength. To use your basketball analogy, buggy is someone who’s a mentor, but Such a great great mentor and glue guy that he gets a max contract the same as the all star players (I’ve never heard of this happening, but just an example). It doesn’t change though that usually, 99/100 times, to get a max contract requires a certain level of individual talent (strength in the case of one piece).
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The same can be said for YC1 etc (l mean although there can be vast differences inbetween the YC, it seems that 1 billion berries for ex is a benchmark for their strength. And most YC bounties we’ve seen are based on their actual individual strength merits since most don’t have external or additional qualities that grant them these high bounties. (Robin for ex is an interesting case study on the bounty-strength-Danger discussion).
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Sometimes OP fans pick up a statement that they think is intelligent and so spam it. “Bounties don’t represent strength!!!” I mean they do, 99% of the time. There are just very rare exceptions to this rule.
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Anyway I think with proper framing actually all these terms have an intuitively strong understanding, the problem is moreso the constant “feats” “low mid diff” “endurance” “well on this panel he has ten spots of blood more than this other one”.
This is nitpicking let's be real, everyone roughly knows what's meant by these tiers. Yonko tier beats admiral tier, admiral tier beats YC1 tier etc.
This is because GENERALLY most characters who fit in these tiers follow this strength hierarchy.
These are names that already come with predefined ideas of their strength so they make a better shorthand than "S tier" or "A tier", like what tf does that even mean.
Exactly.
Katakuri and Marco Stan’s kill me man😂
yo you should make longer videos bro trust
I think I have experienced brain damage from the amount of times I've seen pirate king tiers in one piece tier lists
You can't even reliably say that roger is stronger than wb, so we gonna say wb is potentially pirate king+ level 😭
Lemme think, there are 4 admirals huh. There are 4 yonko too. Admirals are at least yonko level if not stronger. People like to down play admirals cuz of aramaki but you gotta realize the situation he was in. He was already fighting a losing battle, cuz he could easily beat momonosuke and yamato but when shanks showed up he had no chance of winning, especially if any of the worst generation showed up. I do believe shanks is the strongest yonko, and aramaki would lose to him, but sakazuki vs shanks would be dead even, maybe in sakazukis favor. I think sakazuki is the strongest in the verse besides imu.
Then why are the Yonko a thing...if the marines had 4 figures each equivalent to a Yonko strength wise the seas would be purged of yonkos since the marines work as a unit unlike the Yonko who act indipendently
@@screwloose261 We know for a fact that the weakest admiral Ryokyugo is strong enough to low diff king and queen (yes they were 'weakened', but his statement on admirals being ashamed if they couldn't beat a commander still holds up), so it's safe to assume that at least akainu and kizaru are as strong as peak kaido. I've always thought, "why don't the marines go kill all the yonko?" If they send two admirals and a legion of battleships to kaidos island they would probably win, but it would result in immense casualties so that's why they haven't done it. Not to mention they would be spreading their forces too thin, and other yonko or the revolutionaries could just siege marie jois or HQ. Akainu would not send troops on a suicide mission unless he KNEW for a fact they were going complete their mission, his whole character is 'the ends justify the means' but if there are no ends then the means were pointless sacrifices that could have been avoided.
@@superdude3457 yes it makes sense for the "marine in charge" Akainu to be equal to the top tiers on the pirate side...
I dont know if i agree but i would conclude that definitely that matchups between two individual crews for Class tiers should be name differently and i also like the old tiers a lil bit more just cause they help us out a lot inseeing the power scale matchups and thats it. 😢😊😊
i already like this video because the thumbnail because in the limited amount of one piece i know it seems like yonko is a statement more of status and influence, more like the general power of a yonko AND his fleet rather than his strength. IE buggy being a yonko its not an invdividual strength level but actually how much pull he has in the world
Dude, all three main Admirals went ALL OUT against Whitebeard. It is pretty easy to powerscale since Whitebeard was both OLD and SICK.
Garp HAS TO BE about Whitebeard's level, more or less; and HERE we find the best interpretation of "Yonko" level. The list you trashed, because it was wrong, could have been fixed using established averages of power. Here we would use powerscaling like a timeline, where multiple "levels" would overlap.
A, B, C, letter tiers are less complicated, but also less in depth. Better for non stat based nerds. Also, Akainu and Blackbeard are probably same level, and Kuzan is just about as powerful. Shanks and Mihawk still TOP, and Garp is probably on par with Shanks; Shanks has to be anywhere from Blackbeard to Roger level, and Mihawk has to be close to that.
Garp wiped Kuzan(who is equalvalent to Blackbeard), and Blackbeard's WHOLE CREW! They were just lucky Koby is a dumbass scrub, so Shiryu(Death Dragon) Blackbeard's RIGHT HAND ASSASSIN could FORCE Garp to take an invisisble sword in his lung!
Garp may die at Blackbeard's hands, but that's ONLY cause Garp's hands are tied. I think Shanks is VASTLY above Blackbeard, and Shanks will be the lowest bar we EVER see Roger's combat techniques used.
I’m sorry but Yonko level definitely exists it’s very simple and straight forward if you’re stronger than every commander and you’re equal or stronger than an admiral that’s Yonko level it’s not that hard to understand
I guess buggy is stronger than Mihawk
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Buggy D clown >>>>>>>>> prime Roger
It would be an easy fight for buggy
Jesus Burgess is the first mate of Blackbeard! Captain of the first Titanic ship and was the first to be recruited by Blackbeard and is the one who's known Blackbeard the longest! But but Shiryu was on that one volume cover so there for he is Blackbeard's first mate and the strongest! Make that make sense! Jesus has stronger evidence in canon going for him here just by the pattern of how first mates work! Also Perospero is big mom's first mate not katakuri! Being the first born and her direct advisor, her ambassador! This community is often pretty fukkin stupid! Lol