How the CPU cheated you in Street Fighter 2
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 พ.ค. 2024
- Everyone who has played Street Fighter 2 will have experienced at least one of the things featured in this video.
Some of the stuff, like the CPU becoming invincible might not be so obvious. Maybe it happens and you just think the CPU attack 'beat' yours. However, going through these events frame by frame, it becomes clear the extent to which the CPU will cheat.
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Me 18 years later seeing this video: “I FUCKING KNEW IT”
ya, exactly....
Yup street fighter owes us plenty of coin lol
Yup
Right?
Willing to bet they aint the only offender with this.
Yeah, my brother would always yell, "The games Cheating" and throw the controller at the wall & it appears he wasn't crazy after all.
DAMAGE INC. I use to throw the cartridge 😂
@@ProfessorGoon He threw the cartridge too. Put a big crack in it, but it still worked. 😂
@@damageinc.5458 The cartidge itself is just a casing, so long as the small chip inside in in one piece it will continue to work.
Lol thats what i use to do. And now i know the truth.
@@lilabdennour We're not alone anymore TT ^ TT
When I saw the title, I knew the charging thing would be in here. That always angered me; especially when Balrog would rush punch the hell out of you with no charging.
Yeah Balrog was a blatant none charger. Didnt even try to hide it!
If he hits you with 2 rush uppercuts the round's over. So frustrating!
If AI Boxer felt like doing rush punch all day, then his opponent got no choice but just block AND die no matter how much health they had.
Like Dude just throw Rush Punches out of nowhere and it's over but we have to hold back for like 3 seconds and still the CUP blocks its.. Cheat Bastards..
@@stewybot it is!
Fightning against another player was considered true play in Street Fighter 2. Fight against the CPU was more like learning AI patterns and not actual fighting, because the AI did things that normal players should not be able to do, but the AI was so buggy that you could take advantage of it.
The classic "cheese" because the CPU is pretty much overtuned, imput reading or straight cheating or all of them combined...
And people looked at us crazy when we said the computer was cheating...
yeah, man, you know it too... We've been right all along but no one believed us :(
The Truth finally comes out...
@Eugene Boucher Exactly 💯% they don't know shit
I feel u bro
Mortal Kombat II and Mortal Kombat 3 were even worse
So, all those times as a kid in the arcade yelling " THE F*CKING COMPUTER CHEATED ", I was actually right?! 🤔
Bansaku
You’re a scrub
@@massterwushu9699 ok boomer
Yes. technically, you were correct.
@@massterwushu9699 and ur a pleb so what move on😘
Considering the CPU could do Sonic Booms while walking forward, chances are they weren't kidding :P
I remember imagining the cpu had its own controller except the buttons were each assigned to a special move
They were playing SSF4 3D Edition before it was cool
And one special key that lets it hit past blocks.
I like how the computer does some sweep under my punch where it’s nowhere near be but my punch has enough to reach them and I’m the one that takes damage.
How about when you jump and the projectile would slow down to meet you at the landing zone !!!
🤬🤬🤬
And now we have modern controls lol
You forgot to talk about one more thing.
The damage scaling on a Player 1 Normals/Specials are completely different from a CPU Normal/Specials.
A crouching heavy kick or a standing medium punch can do more damage than 5 chip fireballs.
One Dee Jay Machinegun Upper can take almost your entire life bar.
It's incredibly stupid.
you can really notice this when you fight akuma
FACTS
dude your so right
Yep. When you play against the CPU in older games, you are not fighting against the same version of that character you would play normally. They're like a specially "balanced" version of that character, specifically designed for the CPU to control. They run under special programming flags that completely change their animations, moveset functionality, damage values, and even frame data so that the CPU has more of an advantage than the player. Mortal Kombat and especially SNK fighting games operated on the same design principles.
@@vulcan422
That art of fighting game use to cheat like mad speaking of snk... street fighter 2 though as you mentioned the damage difference was insane... most of us use to go rounds each in the chip shops on the arcades and my mate got dazed from a couple small moves by ken then got dragon punched.. took away his whole bar near enough... we all just looked at each other in disbelief..
It’s as if a million souls all cried out at once “I blocked that!”
"You weren't even blocking. Don't lie."
-A Million Older Brothers
me and my brother screamed that lol
Well, my dad was just cheating at Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting on SNES so he could just win for nothing
yes...
But i was blocking
I remember screaming that the computer cheated, and my parents saying "computers can't cheat"
Yeah, they're programmed to cheat.
Same. When guile and blanka charge while walking forward 😒
The worst I had was when Guile walked forward did a sonic boom and then a flash kick before he'd even finished saying "boom" 😒
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@@koolaidman531 lmfao
I feel like this could be used in a class action lawsuit to get our financial compensation for all our broken controllers reimbursed.
And all of our quarters spent tryna beat the bosses too 😭
Or for all the quarters I lost.
one is for sure , they made a lot of cash with those arcade machines 🤣
@@ArchieBanks-us8ki Has a lawsuit ever been filed over that? I'd think it would be impossible to compensate anybody because we don't have records of who played.
Even with a turbo controller holding down ALL the buttons and mashing the D-Pad, I could still never manage to get that many hits from the grab-type throws. On the hardest difficulty the CPU would sometimes break free of the grab before it could even hit once.
I always wondered about a turbo controller. Interesting
I swear there were kids at Pier 39 (SF early 90’s) who could play like the computer. I left embarrassed and convinced there were god mode single frames these kids could hit. I was good but couldn’t compete. One kid defeated everything I had with Chun Li drop kicks. Literally his only move and nearly untouchable. 🤷🏻♂️
You can't and never will. I've hacked this game and there are actually certain limits to a throw that are concrete to players regardless of how well they mash.
The CPU has different ones set entirely.
@@nicksamuel8324 how do you do throws in this game in general?
All the times i yelled at the screen "bullshit! I blocked that!", have finally been validated.
You and me both
i always blame my controller
my poor controller
I'd like your comment, but I don't want to change that beautiful number.
@@koshaz3x 🤣🤣
My childhood rage justified.
Aint that the truth. I feel so vindicated.
Yep
I feel your pain
Could not of said it any better there.
I feel your pain too, but don't let me get started on racing games and how I only found out about "rubber banding" later in life 😖. I gave up on those shitty games 😅
After YEARS of throwing controllers and screaming "THE GAME CHEATIN" at the TV, my cries have been justified.
Zangief's crouching kick is infuriating. It's the ultimate cpu move in Street Fighter history.
true, he just spams the crouching kick and that does more damage than any special moves of other characters , you cannot even get out because it blocks your attacks and then delivers the kick again , and if you block he crouching kick too long it will grab and use its piledriver, basically has all the key info to make all the perfect moves.
no such thing as for or infuriox or etc, cepuxua,x outx, can outx etc an ynmw s perfect
If only those who’ve said “Calm down, it’s only a game” back then knew how it was actually an heroic coup d’état against a corrupt system…
kof was a bitch mortalkombat was another one smfh
@@Hardstyler981 MK was even worse.
CPU could grab you from the air, from too far away, during hitting them...
Hahah, if these happened like this today, there'd be so many lawsuits. It pretty much gambling with rules, but with the house visibly cheating.. :)
@@Hardstyler981 No empire could withstand the combined forces of the KOF bosses. As Confucius always said: _”Fuck Igniz in the aysssss!”_
@@Target00smile When I was playing KOF 95 when I was a kid, I swear that Rugal took 95% of my health bar with only one Genocide Cutter! Detail: He was blocking my aerial kick and immediately followed with GC... I'm gonna sue SNK now LOL
My childhood has been scarred by how many times Guile walked forward and instantly transitions to Somersault without crouching.
That bullshit is the reason I despise charge mechanics and have never believed they belong in a fighting game (or any game, really.)
@@Lenriak Because a CPU character can cheat it? Who cares? Who plays against CPU? Git gud and play against people.
@@Prowl76 I prefer to deal with the cpu hacks than with rage quiters, salty players, self confident jerks and people that only have balls when they are playing online. "Gitting gud" is not even a valid reason at this point.
Gets out tin foil -
- street fighter wasn't created to give us gen x'ers memories to cherish, there were happy merchants rubbing their palms together behind the curtain.
Guile and Sagat were the nightmares of my childhood, well they are still my nightmares
We didnt turn the SNES off all weekend because we couldnt get past M. Bison!!
Bison? I CAN'T MAKE IT PAST VEGA!
I spent enough time with this game as a kid to know it was cheating gratuitously. I suspected many of these, and now I have confirmation.
CPU doesn't care. Even in a collection, it wants your quarters.
Amen to that !
Correct
Even in Fightcade it wants your quarters
good one lol
@@darksoulsismycity Balrog was right. There's no escape...
The dislikes are from the CPUs.
LOL...good one
The machines rose from the ashes of the nuclear fire...
"We cheat because it's no fun just winning. We have to make sure it's in the cheapest, most unfair way possible. 😈"
@I love Ms Elite Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
There should also be examples of CPU's lack of charging for Chun-Li and Guile showing two projectiles fired in a row without charging. Damn I hated that bs
@desk there are two you forgot.
1. The bell. If you throw a fireball at them and it hits them after the bell, no damage happens.
But not only they can attack for 1 frame longer than you can, their attack will also damage you AFTER THE BELL, and can even cause a KO even though you rightfully won.
2. Damage. They actually do around 30% more damage per move. You can tell if you look at the raw value of the health bars in Super Turbo.
Don't forget when Zangeif grabs you from out of his actual reach.
his reach in sf II is more than half screen. he has massive reach.
@OGlettuceWEED I've heard that Bison (Balrog) would Turn Punch and blockstun you infinitely with no charge-up and fully invincible at all times.
I like when your character says Hadoken but CPU grabs you so fast that nothing comes out as you go for a ride for a most likely a KO’ing pile driver.
you think that's unfair? fight Goenitz in Snk vs. Capcom on the hardest difficulty. that fullscreen bullshit is ridiculous
Zangeif cheat until Alpha 3 still happen. SFV boss M Bison even worst, can keep punching can kicking player non stop even you blocked the attack.
gold old days when CPU is the only cheating on me
Now the devs cheats even more sell game for high price n give characters as pay download.still people are stupid enough to buy.
Ouch.
@@KingofL85 It's a different era. I think buying new characters isn't necessarily bad but it's just more of an upgrade that you can choose to have. Of course, everybody wants a new character so people will buy. Everything bought and sold online so why not ?? It's the future !
@@MacMac1313just think about it man they sell games for around 40 to 60 dollars n they haven't even fixed game n it's bugs n sometimes they never get fixed too they have time to create and sell characters n make money services more stable but nope not the game.it ain't future it's plain cheating customers.
Soberan0 LMAO
This is actually...super relieving. I picked up the collection on Switch and was wondering why the hell I was so bad at the arcade mode. Granted I'm not stellar at SF2, but something just felt not right at how much I'd get lamped compared to SF3
Can complain about Gill all I want in SF3 but in Super Turbo everyone plays like Gill, move reading, frame perfect psycho bull.
That's why I don't even touch the arcade mode on all the SF2 games, there is no reason to other than sadism.
So, is this a legal lawsuit for us PTSD gamers for being mentally abused and robbed?
Back there if you had said that the computer was rigged, you would be labeled as a conspiracy theorists.
PTSD hahahahahahaha omg!
Imagine a bunch of us Gen-X'ers and Millenials marching outside Capcom HQ, demanding reparations in quarters for this
Well I lost how 30 dollars in1993 playing a trap
We knew what it was doing. We kept playing lol. We were so good at this game. At it's peak, there was a street fighter machine in every liquor store, 7-11, video store, etc. There were always lines and competition was fierce.
I miss those days.
Loool 👏
Seriously this could be a class action law suit for millions
Y'all don't understand, we beat the computer even though it cheated. We were that good.
CPU: "You need more coins to defeat me. Go home and get family coins."
that's genius!!
lol
LMAO
Omg 😂 😂
True very true 🤣
I literally said to someone back then "the CPU is cheating!"
She said "You really think a computer would want to cheat?"
If you still know the person today, you should send her this video. LOL
@@chosenone8408 With the Caption saying *"I Knew it!!"*
@@kenrickeason LOL Yeah, crank up that passive aggression.
In retrospect, if quarters are involved, then yes a computer would want (well, be programmed) to cheat.
Like, there’s a Batman and Robin arcade beat-em-up that was impossible to beat unless you continued at one point.
@@chosenone8408😂 yes!
Ken cheated so hard with that sweep kick that he even looked at the camera at 1:36, add insult to injury
There should be a class-action lawsuit to get my quarters back from the 1990s.
Bruh... I'm in
Actually yes, this is fraud in any country you live in...
accounting fir inflation too 🤔
Yes...with inflation in check
I think that's what the stimulus checks were for. They knew we'd have choice words
All my life, my brother's and I thought the Arcade Fighting games were Rigged. After 27 years, there's proof, great vid🔥🔥😎
This would've settled SO many arguments back in the day. Matter of fact, I may have to rehash said arguments and link this vid.
@@MeechJacobs REHASH THEM !
yeah... thats the belief all this year... cpu cheats and all of a sudden beat you...but you cant replicate it if you use the same character and movement...lol....
@@MeechJacobs It'd have settled some of the arguments, while also bringing false claims & excuses from amateurs at the same time. But yeah man this video still should be shared among any of us that burned tons of hours on SF 2
I once remembered, there's an arcade game that's so rigged, no TAS/tool-assisted superplay can beat it in one credit.
I still remember the last time I played Street Fighter. A new edition had just come out, I think it was Super Street Fighter 2. I was at Scandia in Rohnert Park, CA, and I was using Blanka and fighting against the computer using Blanka. Keep in mind that I had been playing Street Fighter II for years and wasted lots and lots of money on it. Anyway, I did the cannonball charge at him and he grabbed me out of the air and starting eating my face. It was near the beginning of the match and I had most of my life, but he ate my face until I had only a little bit of life left. Nearly all my life gone. Then he did it again the next match, and then again. I was mashing buttons hoping to escape until I realized that it wasn’t helping. Just let him eat my face. Finally I was like, “F**k this!!” I walked away and that was the last time I ever put any money into a Street Fighter game.
Sounds about right
Wise decision.
I always knew VS cpu was serious bullshit sometimes. Now confirmed 26 years later.
Finally with all the evidence we have we can arrest SF2 for it's crimes.... maybe it might just break out faster than humanly possible.
It somehow convinced the parole board to let it out just as it stepped into jail. Unprecedented for a 300 year sentence.
I knew I was going crazy so many quarters lost to that damn game.
SF2 consistently breaks out of prison in 12 frames
Sf2 has already broke out of prison. Dhalsim just grabbed all the prison guards and Yoga bopped their heads to death.
All right, SFII, you’re un-HEY WTF AM I DOING IN THE ELECTRIC CHAI- *_BZZZZZZZZZZT_*
The Asian part of me says I just have to get better... the American part of me ponders if we can sue Capcom.
Very well said! The game did cheat but it was not impossible to beat it. Back in the early 90s, me and my friends could beat SF2 with all of the characters with one credit. 50 cents lol
Yes sueing would be a good idea. Just kidding don't do that just mod the game.
Never go American.
lol
@@darmstrong9334 was a quater in my day. Lol
Already knew this stuff as a kid back in the 90s, just couldn't explain it until now. Incredible.
My favorite part is that sometimes your special attacks they can do instantly considering you actually have to do the button presses resulting in unfair timing as well
I feel lied to. My whole life, it never dawned on me... those damn Blanka head bites...
My childhood didn't need to be that stressful.
I'm your 69 like, least you got that.
@@richardchargingcloud6590 NICE...
... seriously though, that's 69 more than I usually get, thanks for the love!
Perfect for a massive lawsuit
BLANKA, NO! NOT THE HEADBITE!
Guile really was the one who pissed me off with his forward walking sonic booms and the 1 frame crouch into a Flash Kick.
You as a player could do the one second flash kick, but not the walking forward flash kick. In order to do the to do the 1 frame flash kick : As you jump you immediately go into defensive crouch, the charge count will start and by the time you land you could execute the flash kick by pushing diagonal forward up. Good Guile players knew this so every time they jump they always immediately defensive crouch so you could do kick flash kick combos without guile even having to crouch, like jumping in fierce punch, fierce punch flash kick. The worst cheat I ever saw the game would have you in a holding grab position with Guile, you would remain standing and Guile would stand right next to you and you cannot move but the game continues to strong punch you until your life bar was emptied.
I had that issue with Guile too. Whenever I'd try to attack him from the air, he'd always get me with a Flash Kick. So what I'd do is try to fake him out by making the CPU think I'm attacking him with LK or MK so he'd pull off another Flash Kick and miss, then I would body slam him in the air (this strategy works mainly with Chun-Li).
Guile didn't need to charge to throw sonic booms. Ridiculous 😂
I had it worst. He walks towards me. I land a hit. What does he do? Standing flash kick. No crouching. I think the CPU cheats by counting 1\4 of one second with 1\4 of another second and calls that half second as a full two seconds. That's what I think.
@@kongthao9935 I personally think the CPU is just playing smash bros and inputing motions with a single button.
I remember that CPU Zangief was the reason why the director of Wreck it Ralph put him into the bad guy therapy
I knew it! Now I dont feel as dumb for saying the game cheats haha
Seriously, all these years, and finally validation!
There's a lot CPU doing things that are impossible for the player even to this day.
@@Denji2006 Oh it's not even the impossible bits that bothered me. It's the bits where it flat out changed the rules in its favor for select moments. That "god mode" section isn't something I remember but that may be because it sometimes happened too fast for my teenage mind to process. The 95% throws though? Yeah, that bullshit had me breaking controllers...AND TV screens.
Of course it cheats.
The only way you can fight the cpu fairly is in normal to normal high difficulty, that is 5/10 to 7/10
@@ottosantiagolassus Even then it's not really "fair;" the CPU goes from just deciding when you lose to not caring enough to try. It's always been a tough balancing act for any fightin game dev, to be fair.
My favorite "cheating by not charging" moments were when I'd hear Guile saying "Sonic-- Sonic Boom!" as he interrupted throwing one sonic boom with another sonic boom. Cuz like... yeah, you can't do that.
Yeah man! I remember that shit happening too, now that you mention it. Sonic...Sonic Boom...Sonic Boom...
@R OMG that looks amazing! It's 2 a.m. and I HAVE to sleep. But I'm ashamed to admit, as a 41 yr old man I'm too excited to close my eyes, lol.
You think that's bad try "Sonic-flash kick-boom", no word of a lie I almost broke my room when that happened.
Yes, I told my friend that, and he didn't believe me.
He one-upped me by saying, "Yea, and I saw Ryu 'Hadou-Hadouken' me man..."
And I went 😑😑💭 (I wasn't lying dude).
@@DaigoParry Ryu: had had had hamehameha
I remember there was a saying long ago. "You got M. Bison'd."
Basically, if you beat M. Bison fairly easy in the first round, he came back with a vengeance in round 2 and 3 with a non-stop attacks that just couldn't block or counter.
Anyone else ever feel that wrath? It was stupid and annoying, especially when you busted your ass to get there, only to have your ass handed to you.
I've felt it many times over...
All the characters do it, actually, at least in the Alpha series, anyway. Chun-Li is especially egregious when she gets "angry" and actually taunts you right before she delivers the final blow that you won't be able to stop. I think she's the only CPU-controlled character that uses the taunt.
5:10
Dhalsim is all "I took your quarters, whatcha gonna do about it bitch!"
9 year old me, "the games cheating!"
30 year old me, calls mom, I TOLD YOU!!
Oh, I get it. They don't read your inputs at all! They just don't care about the game they're in!
This looks like a Low Tier God's ai is playing.
So the accusation here is that LTG is very predictable once you figure out his "script"?
@Raystorm002 it can read your soul at that level
No they still read your inputs. The rest is just bonus.
The AI definitely reads your inputs. It's like the arcade AI is always set on hard to make more money
Hahahahahaha. I always knew my hits landed when our health bars were equally low. The look on Guile's face at 1:12 was in total disbelief that his punch didn't land. This game will always be a classic👍
After 25 years someone has exposed it perfectly well. I knew this and was a master at clocking this game with almost every players in difficult mode. My most played game.
In the Arcades, Every Character is a Boss Character.
It's make you want to buy more coin. Isn't it?
SNK games were way worse
@@pftmclub in some machines you could stick a pin inside the coin slot and trick the machine
@@SoleNero21 i'm calling the manager !
That's why you train yourself to be a boss fighter >:D
It's so satisfying to know all those years ago when I would yell "bullshit!" at video games that chances are I was right.
was aware something was wrong while seen frequent chargeless booms and flash kicks back in the days....but now it is cleat that was just the tip of the iceberg. And they carry these cheats over to SUPER!
@Mojo Risin They do, but not So blatant.
Back in the day the AI straight up read your inputs and blocked/parried your attacks.
Now the AI is worse in terms of intelligence, but i actually prefer that over unfair fight Thats designed to milk you.
@Mojo Risin Oh yeah, many of them ARE still pulling horseshit. Input reading is still a thing (inhuman response times born out of reacting only when you input an action), but the other methods today are less obvious. It'll be things like moves being positive on block when they use it, despite it not being the case when the player tries the same shit.
@@Senhordaverdadeabsol Back in the days I wasn't aware of the mandatory 2 seconds of charge time so I would blame myself for not being able to do the charging moves as fast as CPU Guile/Blanka did. I tried a lot to do the moves fast before giving up.
Hell yea I would chunk that controller so hard. Punch the bed. Mom popping in telling me I’m retarded for pitching a fit
That's why when I got to Bison I would only do standing jump kicks and spam him with every character.
The proper way of getting it done.
I am so glad you used the arranged version of Fighting Street only on Turbo Duo. It is a beautiful soundtrack and one of the best.
"Gotta keep those quarters coming it's nothing personal it's business" said capcom's CEO
That is what greety people say that only care about cheering people out of money.
It is the same as a gambler counting the cards at blackjack. It is not illegal but is it unethical? (Retorical question)
Hahahahahaha oh my God got to keep the business coming hahaha oh my geez hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
@@kylequatmann2125 Well, they need the money to continue making video games.
Actually, it was the businesses that had the machines that profited from the quarters not Capcom. Capcom makes it’s money from the actual cabinets that are either sold or rented out to the businesses. Yeah I know, I nerded out there. 😄
I been waiting almost 30 years for this vid to come out and im only 15
LoL
holy shit, son. this made me spit out my tea.
Fantastic
@@bastardferret869 from your nose, not your mouth tho....
Couldn'ta agree more
Even as a kid I knew something was off. I didnt even know what frames, invincibility, or hit boxes were. I just played the game, but I knew the CPU was cheating me somehow
I KNEW IT! I did a stream of SF2 a while ago and literally took forever to get past a lot of the CPU because of the things you covered...especially T.HAWK! SCREW THAT GUY!
I fucking hate T Hawk. Fighting against him is always a struggle lol
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Standing Flash Kick will always be one of the most terrifying things in all of Street Fighter.
Mmhmm.
Along with forward walking Sonic Booms
Seriously, we need to get over that and evolve the move inputs like Weaponlord did with Hold button, control pad motion, release button commands.
I think it would be more fair if you held a Punck/Kick button like Juri does.
The worst Flash Kicks are the ones right after the CPU throws a Sonic Boom a few frames ago
nah blanka chewing on yo face for 20 seconds while you’re watching your health bar go down fast is terrifying
The cheating AI was bad annoying, but my God it was nowhere near as bad as MK2. That was infuriating on a whole other level.
I f**king knew it!! I knew I was being cheated, when I was a kid playing sf2. I always knew I was taking hits while blocking. I could never prove it, but this makes me feel so much better lol. Damn you sf2!!!! 😡😡😡 Great video, Desk. 👍🏻
Player: **confined to the rules of the game**
CPU: "Reality can be whatever I want."
Capcom: "The humans are still based on a system of rules, because of that they can never be as strong or as fast as you can be."
A.I. "What are trying to tell me, that I can dodge hadokens?"
Capcom: "No A.I., I'm trying to tell you, that when you're ready... you won't *have* to."
🤣🤣🤣 "is that air you think your breathing?"
@@DerekMoore82 Rofl👍🏻
@@DerekMoore82 There is a spoon, and you will be beaten with it blocking or not
@@vaevictis3551 I came for this! Lol
Street Fighter 2 was the only game where the CPU felt like a conscious A.I. acting emotionally by cheating against you. We all talked to and swore at the CPU when it cheated / played cheap.
And Mortal Kombat 2?
@@willybandicoot3699 right??! MK 2 doesn't try to hide it.
Just about every fighting game cheats. I've actually caught the CPU reading my buttons. I'd fake like I was doing a fireball or something (just the arrows) and they'd block. Just one if many examples. There's also the insane amount of damage the boss does and the paltry amount you do. The CPU doesn't beat you with skill; it can't (past normal) so it resorts to using Neo tactics.
😂🤣👍. Yea but some early mortal kombat games also (I remember Jade being a cheat, Motaro and Shao Khan). It's like you was playing online back then.
Edit: I almost forgot, Kazuya in Tekken 2 also.
@@mgtocrateezspeaks3971 Pretty much any fighting game cpu you play reads inputs from my experience. The higher the difficulty the worse it gets
That's what made playing the bootlegs vs CPU so satisfying; "No charging for me either guwuhahaha!!!!"
I love videos like this … straight forward title, and the video simply delivers … no gimmicks or wasting time ❤
I think the one that pissed me off the most is how fast they recover from being dizzy.
That's why you have to be right next to them. So you can instantly grab their ass with a throw.
The one that gets me the most angry is when you throw Ken or Ryu, and while they're falling back, they seem to go instantly into the uppercut and fly an absurdly ridiculous amount of space across the screen.
The button mashing though was the wrost for me. When Blanka, Zangief, Honda or Dhalsin grabbed me I used to just throw the controller away; it was frustating to see the lifebar, some times completely full, being drained helpless like that. Many times I just turned off the console out of anger.
Fuck, I remember when I was about 7 or 8 years old crying, FUCKING CRYING of rage!!!
@@leandromdelima You're not alone. A lot of us did that. Myself included 😞
@@leandromdelima Shit like that is why I don't feel bad when I use an emulator and cheat right back by loading a save state when they grab me. My thinking is, "Oh, you're not gonna give me a chance to defend? Fine, then I'm gonna equally deny you the chance to grab me in the first place. *raspberry*." Then I realize I just stuck my tongue out at a computer and feel very silly.
I want every quarter I lost to this game returned to me with interest lol.
@Frizzurd whats mame
It's not so crazy! A class action lawsuit is possible.
@@DaLoganFrost lol thats all I need is a crazy enough lawyer.
Exactly!😂
@@GGman2019 stands for Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator. In other words it's an emulator for arcade games
I noticed this in Rival Turf as well, but more pronounced: the enemy gets extra frames of recovery after falling, so be sure to wait before going in and never miss a big opening. That's probably your cue to block before attacking. Then again, yes the program would cut corners on us all the time and we can't help but notice it now. Great share, thank you!
Well. At least I can show my mum why 20 years ago I smashed up our local shops arcade machine
in the era of arcades im sure this was common practice for every game, the cpu cheating and manipulating the player for just one more match to beat that boss, and so you put more coins in the machine.
This is further evidence by MK2 and X-Men COTA where the CPU reacts to all of your button presses or are given more priority with their attacks. In MK2 the CPU can grab you if they are close enough even if you use long reach attacks.
In X-Men the CPU can auto block all of your attacks until they don't feel like doing it. I test it by spamming jab away from Cyclops and all he did was tap block everytime.
@terrorista31 Ikr. Every character you face is like a boss fight. And i even set it in the easiest difficulty and the AI in the 3rd stage is cheap ah.
@@PsychoCrusher46 In the MK games they don't even try to hide it. Bosses uppercuts knocks half of your fucking life in an instant. Also they telegraph every single one of your move, blocking and comboing the shit out of you before you can respond.
Ive had a command grab executed by the cpu grab me from an absurd range as i watch the same command grab i use whiff at point blank range.
@@anthonymccall3064 the CPU will grab you 6 characters away. I fought against CPU Daimon in KOF 98 and he use command grab during my super.
You mean “How Street Fighter II Made So Much God-Damned Money”.
It's a joke, but SF2 made its money from multiplayer
David Curry This is how even the Nowheresville cabinets did it.
You would think this would be class action lawsuit worthy back in the day for rigging a system to pump more money out of you
Guile doing the Sonic boom moving forward was one of my fav 🤣🤣🤣
Capcom: "All your COIN are belong to us"
Nice reference
LOL
For GREAT JUSTICE!
HEHEHEHHEHEHE OLD MEME
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COMPUTER: "So you mean to tell me I can dodge attacks?"
THE ARCHITECT: "No, cpu. I'm trying to tell you that when you're ready you won't have to."
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Woa
Accurate
This comment is legendary
Great comment !
Isn't that Morpheus saying that line though ? =)
Sf2 probably made tons of people assume that they weren't meant for fighting games.
I always felt the Snes version had a lot less of this, and was achievable
Vindication! All those times I said that the computer cheats... here's proof!
True story - playing against the computer always felt cheap and immensely frustrating.
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My favorite was M. Bison walking forward and doing his psycho crusher.
lol
** What always got me about Bison was the double knee press - when fighting against him he does it over and over and knocks you the fuck out, when using him that move is a piece of shit, it never seems to go far enough and always seems weaker. Same with the head press - CPU pulls is off perfect every time, Vs CPU it’s blocked nearly 100% of the time. The only Bison moves worth pulling off are the psycho crusher and that leg slide thing.
Yeaaah ! Definitely cheating CPU
Trying to fight Shen long beating the game on perfect every player getting to Bison and ultimately getting touched by that head stomp still gives me headaches an nightmares
Well, if you are talking about SF2 The world warriors, there Bison was supposed to be a command character, in that version the psycho crusher started with a long preparation, altough AI was instructed to start it whenever it had control and player was jumping into troubles. The great thing about SF2 that got lost after SF alpha and all the alpha cancel, alpha parry, alpha jet-farts was the sense of inevitability.
In Street fighter 2, between a fatal mistake and the consequences of that mistake, the player's subjective time expanded, and they had 155 years to contemplate the horror that was bound to come. "You made a poor choice, with that jumping short kick. Now you are falling on Zangief's arms, while he's on ground and has control. you have 1,66 seconds to live, Use them to reflect on how they are much longer than you previously thought."
Yeah Zangief in particular I remember ALWAYS recovered from stun nigh immediately.
Mash Grab characters were ones I always stayed away from, they'd chunk like 30% life and then just take another 30+ via mashing.
Ryu taunts you with 2 jabs whenever he stuns you
Lol let’s not forget Guile’s invisible throw and handcuffs lol.
Don't forget that the controller motions for the specials and supers would often leave you vulnerable. The CPU just launched them without any opening.
FACTS
What's worse is that the CPU still does that to this day.
Till this day the CPU does that crap 😂
The cpu really cheats you if you whoop his ass in the first round easily, and almost do it the second round but he makes a miraculous comeback beating you with no life left on his bar. Insane
I hate that shit...it's ridiculous 😒
Not to mention that CPU will force a Double KO just to avoid losing some times (I speak from experience)
That happens to me a lot in Alpha 3
Can confirm this. It happens on Killer Instinct for SNES. Didn't stop me from beating the game on max difficulty--WITH NO CONTINUES--using every character except Jago. I even developed cheap combos of my own using Riptor, Fulgore and Glacius. Those suckers could wipe out nearly 90% of a CPU's first life bar. IN ONE COMBO.
@@ShaneDouglas713 FACTS!! Then Use The Same Damn Move Over And Over Again To Beat You Quicker Before You Beat Them!!
Zangief recovering from dizzy directly into the extended bite attack was some controller throwing nonsense
The worst character on turbo mode was zangief. He would grab you while you are in the act of an move before biting you repeatedly depleting nearly 90% of your health iin an single move before ending you with an slap!
1:24 even the look on Ryus face was like bruh???
What I like about the mashing is that it's basically the CPU going: "They know damn well I'm cheating, I'm not even gonna bother hiding it."
You're right about that 😂!
To be fair, it's entirely possible within the game's rules to mash as fast as the CPU can. It's just that no human can hit a single button 60 times a second.
@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN Except that the computer can't hit the button at 60Hz either. If a game is running at 60fps, the fastest you can tap a button is 30Hz, or on for one frame and off for the next.
@@angolin9352 if the game is improperly programmed, AI can hit it at 60Hz no prob because the programmers will forget you need to release a button 1 frame before you can hit it again
@@malcovich_games exactly
They should interview the developers on this
"Nothing personal, just business" walks into helicopter
It's kinda like knowing you weren't going to win the first fight with ryu on stage 4+ of it was set any higher than default.
Yeah, Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo/X can get crazy with the difficulty and damage, I remember watching a video here on TH-cam about a guy somehow managing to get to Round 8 against Zangief, only for the CPU to literally grab him once and do 100% damage.
S___'s crazy.
Superb editing and explanations, by the way. Extremely simple and clear.
Considering how hard and complicated fighting games are/can be, this video should be one of examples on how to make a video about game mechanics in depth simple and easy to follow.
GG 👍
Ahh yes, CPU Guile's standing flash kicks and forward walking sonic booms. I remember those well.
I knew I wasn't crazy
Same
especially that turbo edition...even on the lowest difficulty, it is a challenge.
My favorite is when the computer stops dead and waits for you to push a button to counter it.
Can you throw?
@@Lightwaverable
They'll get priority out of no where and counter somehow. Most likely with their own grab.
Fo real xD old MK and SNK were the masters of that shit ,and quick counter with a never ending combo
That's mortal kombat 2 and up loool
Mk11
The recovery from stun thing I always sort of accepted because you can press left and right rapidly to recover and assumed CPU can do this incredibly quickly. Same with mashing but everything else spot on. Would be interested to see what like emulation and Turbo buttons would do
I think what makes sf2 especially difficult is the fact that characters like zangief are high risk high reward with hard to perform inputs but in the cpu case its just high rewards
Ever get the feeling that the game was refusing you the moves even when you were executing the moves perfectly?
Third strike had me feeling like that....
@@gru271 worst.
I wind up with my hands cramping when I play SFIII.
Not a bad game, terrible control system.
@@glenwaldrop8166 Yep I know that feeling because I still have SF III on the Sega Dreamcast, and those hand cramps are real 😩
That is a different story my dear.
BadassGene Videos Actually it depends on the game. But most of the time the user is screwing up.
The walk up standing flashkick is the most egregious of them all.
CPU was playing sf4 DS 2 games before everyone else
Is it possible the CPU count the exact time. while a human can only estimate?
@@callmepistol Yeah thats possible but time passes at the same rate for the cpu as it does for us. I play turbo sometimes and do neutral jumps against guile to bait out flashkicks sometimes but even then the landing frames are so quick.
I disagree, fighting M Bison on max difficulty was the most egregious. 0 charge up time for all of his attacks (all of which are supposed to use charge time) and he spams them non stop.
@@-Keith- I was just commenting on seeing the walk up flashkick on this video but you are right.
Thank you for elucidating those sad moments when players lose to the CPU. This provides catharsis for the river of tears, and you made that valiant sacrifice to prove a point!
I picked up one of those Arcade 1up Street Fighter 2 machines and I love the thing, sunk maybe 60-80 hours into it. Never played Street Fighter before buying it and I'd say I've picked it up fairly quickly and can get through 4 or so opponents without continues as Blanka. However, Guile is an impenetrable wall of backflip kicks and always ruins my streak.