Guys like John walked so we could run. I’m 25 now and trying to better my knowledge in jump training and lifting overall too. Without thp I would’ve been in the same condition as john. probably wouldve busted my knee too. altho my vert gainz progress is slow, im grateful for the THP experience
Hi guys! Great video, you cleared my view on this topic. I have a question though, I'm on a vertical jump program right now and I'm facing a plateau, in spite of getting stronger in my main lifts, and jumping about twice a week (with volleyball practice), it's been like this for a month or two right now. However, I noticed that my speed seems as well as my raw power output has decreased slightly, so I was thinking of implementing sprints and power cleans (I love those exercises and I wanna get my clean up as well, max is 70 kg) but I'm also thinking that I should give this more time and be patient. Do you have some tips? Thanks once again for the content y'all provide it's absolutely amazing! Keep it up!
What a perfect video for me to watch. Hitting back squats today. On week 2 of a strength mesocycle. I am going for 345 x 5 today, and the target for the end of the cycle is 350 x 5. I go to parallel. once in a while I use a slant board to hit deep squats, but I never go that heavy when I do. I do, however,spent time sitting in a deep squat every single day. I helps my knees and hips feel good. I've done half squats in the past, but it's been years. Been thinking of trying to incorporate them in some. any suggestions on how I might go about including them in a program?
I also hurt my back deep squatting too much weight when I was younger and dumber. I’ll still do deep squats with just a bar as part of a warm-up but never with heavy weight. I do still like working the full range of motion, it just feels like it’s good for my knees. I have found bodyweight pistol squats to be great for this
I tried to super deep squat with heels elevated really high, for a couple weeks, both meniscus got super irritated, hips stopped learning to engage, and push pack butt. Just switched to wider squat, with pushing butt back and not squatting super deep and I don’t have any more pain
imho in addition to physical therapy, only practicing squatting as low as you can with no weight and with no pain, the leg press is not the end of the world
I know in theory front squats are more focused on the anterior chain--but in actual practice, do you find them to be comparable to the back squat in terms of increasing vert? Ideally I would just do a mix of both, but my lower back struggles with back squats but feels great with front squats. If I knew I could get 80-90% of the benefits of backsquatting while at the same time avoiding avoid the pain/discomfort - I would just swap them out completely. I'm sure you've gone through this thought exercise before so would love your view on it. Love the content!
I’m at the opinion that deep squatting is inferior to half squat for athletes after trying it for a couple months. But if you want to do deep squats go ahead but my groin back could not handle it and I’ve noticed some great speed and jump improvement.
I think for max performance held squatting is better because it’s more specific. But if I’m doing a cycle that isn’t focused on specificity then I prefer deep squats. They make my knees feel better
@ knees definitely feel better deep squatting for me but not my back or groin I just make sure to control the decent and pause briefly on half squats helps my knees out a lot
Any concerns that really heavy and slow half squats will lead to excessive compression thru the torso/ribcage and impact the ability to rotate/perform certain movement patterns effectively, or even impact elasticity thru the torso during jumping? my golf swing feels way better way better when I’m not lifting as hard but I do it anyway
What about a box squat? Question is: how good of a stimulus can one get from it and what is the correct technique you would recommend if doing it? Thanks and GREAT topic!
Idk if I should deep squat I can do it with squat shoes and a warmup pretty comfortably but I get lower back pain from but wink sometimes and my knees hurt specifically my left knee
It depends on your skeleton how much lower you can get. Going deep for Asians and females is much easier. Either way, you have to be careful with lifting heavy weights. It will destroy your body, slowly but surely.
We all can go deep, it just depends on how we squat. Longer legged and taller people need to utilize slant-board high-bar, or low-bar to achieve a good squat pattern. Or, just increase mobility, simply put.
@@lcex1649 When you're young, it's easy to build muscles, but with time, you start to get injured and hurt. You'll understand when you start fighting father time
Sometimes you just need to accept that your not that kind of explosive athlete. Your ankle mobility just doesnt allow for it and thats why you injured yourself so many times. Straightup your just bad at squatting sorry. Just because you havent put in the work with mobility doesnt mean others cant. Squatting in some form whether it be split squats, squats, side lunges should always be part of the base phase for any athlete. In addition at some point you guys need to admit that strength training is more of an injury prevention tool than a performance enhancement tool. I hit 46-47" approach vertical twice in my career and both times i wasnt even weightlifting. I was just jumping (in sport 5-6x/wk).
It's anatomy. If you have a s short torso in relation to your femur length you will tip forward when trying to squat deep. Your body automatically does this to maintain balance. squatting to parallel will be hard and ATG will be almost impossible. Being explosive has nothing to do with it. Myles Garrett has difficulty squatting below parallel but he is very explosive.
1. We literally mention in the podcast that you can work on mobility to squat deeper if you don't have an anatomical restriction 2. We also mentioned that you should always have some sort of squatting in the training 3. Yes, John is bad at squatting and he would agree with this haha 4. Strength training is NOT just an injury prevention tool and your one personal experience isn't indicative of the whole population. Strength training helping your vertical is backed research, personal experience, and through having trained thousands of athletes. The question isn't how high you are able to jump.. it's how high could you have jumped if you actually had good training
Although it’s intuitive that half squat max would be higher than atg, it’s an important reminder to train each differently.
Guys like John walked so we could run. I’m 25 now and trying to better my knowledge in jump training and lifting overall too. Without thp I would’ve been in the same condition as john. probably wouldve busted my knee too. altho my vert gainz progress is slow, im grateful for the THP experience
Isaiah is using the best hoodie in the entire world. After THP one of course.
Hey guys it’s justjumari, a pretty solid speed coach with good results. John Evan’s is CORRECT in this video!!!
is your jump program on sale for the holidays at all?
@@youngsuit yep it is rn
Isaiah just keeps adding more titles each time XD
Hi guys! Great video, you cleared my view on this topic. I have a question though, I'm on a vertical jump program right now and I'm facing a plateau, in spite of getting stronger in my main lifts, and jumping about twice a week (with volleyball practice), it's been like this for a month or two right now. However, I noticed that my speed seems as well as my raw power output has decreased slightly, so I was thinking of implementing sprints and power cleans (I love those exercises and I wanna get my clean up as well, max is 70 kg) but I'm also thinking that I should give this more time and be patient. Do you have some tips? Thanks once again for the content y'all provide it's absolutely amazing! Keep it up!
Haven’t heard this yet but definitely interesting topic
What a perfect video for me to watch. Hitting back squats today. On week 2 of a strength mesocycle. I am going for 345 x 5 today, and the target for the end of the cycle is 350 x 5. I go to parallel. once in a while I use a slant board to hit deep squats, but I never go that heavy when I do. I do, however,spent time sitting in a deep squat every single day. I helps my knees and hips feel good.
I've done half squats in the past, but it's been years. Been thinking of trying to incorporate them in some. any suggestions on how I might go about including them in a program?
I also hurt my back deep squatting too much weight when I was younger and dumber. I’ll still do deep squats with just a bar as part of a warm-up but never with heavy weight. I do still like working the full range of motion, it just feels like it’s good for my knees. I have found bodyweight pistol squats to be great for this
I tried to super deep squat with heels elevated really high, for a couple weeks, both meniscus got super irritated, hips stopped learning to engage, and push pack butt. Just switched to wider squat, with pushing butt back and not squatting super deep and I don’t have any more pain
We call that “avoidance.”
My back always rounded before parallel. It feels bad when your body can't handle something others can do easily.
So what should I do if I can’t squat at all without back and hip pain
Do functional patterns instead
imho in addition to physical therapy, only practicing squatting as low as you can with no weight and with no pain, the leg press is not the end of the world
Awesome video John if I have a slight hip shift do you think I should still keep deep squatting?
You should fix the tight hip and ankle first before doing anything crazy. ROM isn't an issue, but the weight may be.
Hi John. Any chance you can make a video on throwing the perfect lob to get your first dunk please? Love the videos by the way!!
just try throwing it different ways and you will master it
can you jump high enough to dunk though?
I know in theory front squats are more focused on the anterior chain--but in actual practice, do you find them to be comparable to the back squat in terms of increasing vert? Ideally I would just do a mix of both, but my lower back struggles with back squats but feels great with front squats. If I knew I could get 80-90% of the benefits of backsquatting while at the same time avoiding avoid the pain/discomfort - I would just swap them out completely. I'm sure you've gone through this thought exercise before so would love your view on it. Love the content!
John, you didn't mention the tippy-toe squats😭
I’m at the opinion that deep squatting is inferior to half squat for athletes after trying it for a couple months. But if you want to do deep squats go ahead but my groin back could not handle it and I’ve noticed some great speed and jump improvement.
I think for max performance held squatting is better because it’s more specific. But if I’m doing a cycle that isn’t focused on specificity then I prefer deep squats. They make my knees feel better
@ knees definitely feel better deep squatting for me but not my back or groin I just make sure to control the decent and pause briefly on half squats helps my knees out a lot
Any concerns that really heavy and slow half squats will lead to excessive compression thru the torso/ribcage and impact the ability to rotate/perform certain movement patterns effectively, or even impact elasticity thru the torso during jumping? my golf swing feels way better way better when I’m not lifting as hard but I do it anyway
What about a box squat? Question is: how good of a stimulus can one get from it and what is the correct technique you would recommend if doing it? Thanks and GREAT topic!
Box squats are good for deadlifts as well. Set them at your starting position for the legs on deadlift, and squat there.
Idk if I should deep squat I can do it with squat shoes and a warmup pretty comfortably but I get lower back pain from but wink sometimes and my knees hurt specifically my left knee
WHATS THE ANSWER
“It depends”
Love this content thank you. Is it possible for you guys swear less?
Why do u not use a belt when squatting
why would you? I don't think they max out squats (1 rep max)
so you can't improve mobility?
Never stop squatting ass to grass. It’s what you can control 1000 percent with speed and power
Heels up too
It depends on your skeleton how much lower you can get. Going deep for Asians and females is much easier.
Either way, you have to be careful with lifting heavy weights. It will destroy your body, slowly but surely.
We all can go deep, it just depends on how we squat. Longer legged and taller people need to utilize slant-board high-bar, or low-bar to achieve a good squat pattern. Or, just increase mobility, simply put.
no it strengthens bones, and destroyes muscles which are then rebuilt stronger than before. The complete opposite
@@lcex1649 When you're young, it's easy to build muscles, but with time, you start to get injured and hurt.
You'll understand when you start fighting father time
@@A-A-RonDavis2470 No, you cannot go deep if you're genetically limited. You'll end up with a bad injury like J.E. said in this video
@@lcex1649 When you're young, you improve easily, but once you start fighting father time, you just keep on getting injured and hurt.
Can you please make shorter videos with only essential informations, some parts are just too boring you could cut them for better viewer experience
They usually make TH-cam shorts with these videos
Weird, we can break the human body with high loads. Meatheads need to make way for real S&C coaches.
I'm not gonna watch this video but my guess is it's just not sport specific.
Wrong
Sometimes you just need to accept that your not that kind of explosive athlete. Your ankle mobility just doesnt allow for it and thats why you injured yourself so many times. Straightup your just bad at squatting sorry. Just because you havent put in the work with mobility doesnt mean others cant. Squatting in some form whether it be split squats, squats, side lunges should always be part of the base phase for any athlete. In addition at some point you guys need to admit that strength training is more of an injury prevention tool than a performance enhancement tool. I hit 46-47" approach vertical twice in my career and both times i wasnt even weightlifting. I was just jumping (in sport 5-6x/wk).
It's anatomy. If you have a s short torso in relation to your femur length you will tip forward when trying to squat deep. Your body automatically does this to maintain balance. squatting to parallel will be hard and ATG will be almost impossible. Being explosive has nothing to do with it. Myles Garrett has difficulty squatting below parallel but he is very explosive.
Mobility is also a skill that can be improved.
What’s your first and last name
1. We literally mention in the podcast that you can work on mobility to squat deeper if you don't have an anatomical restriction
2. We also mentioned that you should always have some sort of squatting in the training
3. Yes, John is bad at squatting and he would agree with this haha
4. Strength training is NOT just an injury prevention tool and your one personal experience isn't indicative of the whole population. Strength training helping your vertical is backed research, personal experience, and through having trained thousands of athletes. The question isn't how high you are able to jump.. it's how high could you have jumped if you actually had good training
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