Dude has the best job ever. Can you imagine getting paid to build engines everyday? Sweetest gig ever. Tried my best to talk my dad into going into business with me building kit cars and selling them but he wouldn't do it because it's too "hot" where I live and moving to his local wasn't feasible. Oh well wasn't meant to be.
@@brandonlittle6444 Troll much or do you enjoy pointing out inane information. Second how do you know I wasn't talking about Pat? Obviously they are people, AI hasn't gotten that good yet, and obviously he has a name. I could almost understand your reply if I was saying something rude or negative about someone who had passed away but in this context it is truly pointless.
500 ft. lbs. At 2500 rpm. That's what I want. Off the line torque. Man I've gotta get a big block. They're big and heavy. But they're worth it. Especially for a full size car
Doing what your passion is and getting paid for it while educating as well is a dream job, in fact its not a job if you have a love for what you do. These guys are having fun and showing off some fantastic builds that we the viewers can attain with proper planning
Only thing us fans could ask for: a 6.8 V10 build. I know they’re not super aftermarket friendly…. Not as common as the garden variety V8.. but man. They’re cool
What I'd love to see is putting a set of kaasse Boss heads on this engine. Also I wish you could build an 03 and newer ford V10 and increase the power!
Gotta say Pat and Frankie our my favorites. No fake cheesy banter. They work great together and I agree with others, cool to see Frankie continue grow as an engine builder along side Pat. This was a fun build. But even I am a ford guy, I don’t care what they are building, just like watching them make big power 😂.
Whit the abundance of aftermarket heads, Trickflow, AFR,SR71’s it’s nice to see some old school eddies still getting some love and making HP. Not every engine is a high dollar drag engine set on kill. Great numbers.
I have a 351 cleveland out to 434 cu in, (after market block), hydraulic roller cam 950 cfm carb, built in the US and custom pistons also from the US. Heads trick flow. It makes just under 600 rwh and just under the same torque. Block is Australian and the engine built in Auckland NZ.
The stock iron heads have a very convoluted exhaust port that turns down sharply at the exit to clear the fenderwells of many of the Ford cars that were designed back in the day. When Jon Kasse designed the very first Cobra Jet heads for the 460 back in 1991 this was his main object to rectify. He redesigned the port to flow much better and still fit the cars. The intake was changed slightly also. These first heads were worth 100 horsepower over the stock iron heads with no other changes to the engine. He later did a refresh on the heads to improve the intake side. These heads were sold through your local Ford dealer with Ford part numbers for many years. The reason I am stating all this is to show how much improvement was in just the heads so your project will show this as well. The turbo, if reinstalled would show a dramatic improvement as well. The big Ford with a good set of heads is not a bad engine.
I raced a 71 429scj Mustang in NHRA Stock eliminator class, had to go thru several tear downs to verify engine met all NHRA'S spec requirements. The factory torque spec for cylinder head bolts was 140 Ft/lbs so ARP is going with Ford engineering specs, not anything they came up with, Just Sayin.
Soo friggin awesome to see all that knowledge and passion being passed on. Love me some BB ford 429/460 bruisers.... love all combustion engines no matter how big or small
God i love those good o'l Ford engines the old 87 econoline we had was converted into a camper and the only thing that killed that thing was the rust it was over 500k miles pretty decent for a gas engine !
I had one back in the 80's that was a torque monster. I would love to do another with modern injection. I can see the possibilities!!! Old F100, stock body but modern underneath. What a ride!!
yeah the cam choked the heads for sure. There's another 100-150 hp in that thing with some improvements. BUT-that cam idles VERY good (had same cam in my old F100) and makes decent power for what it is. These 385 series engines are (or "were") the "mutt" of the engine world. Only in the last 10 years have they started showing signs of "catching up"
Every pull was amazing for the characteristics that each one showed! This was a torque monster peaking and holding near peak starting at 3,700ish to the mild falloff around 5,000 RPM! Surprised by the relatively flat and wide peak HP curve lasting for 1,000 RPM starting at 5,000-6,000! The sweet spot for the setup at that time. It hit close to peak and held it near peak for 1,000 RPM! As a strip car in a fairly light chassis, this would start to plant you in the seat around 3,000 RPM and want to rip your face off all the way to 6,000RPM... Wide torque curve, modest torque fall off, wide flat HP curve near peak HP for 1,000 RPM on every, single pull! That is surprising! 15:10 - flat wide torque & HP 17:00 - flat wide torque & HP 19:00 - flat wide torque & HP 20:00 - flat wide torque & HP
I would love to have that 460 dropped into my '78 LTD II Brougham!! But I'm still plenty happy with my 351 Windsor V8, just needs some serious power upgrades, lol.
I'd love to see a Chrysler LA 318 build, with only 2 stipulations; stock displacement, and Trick Flow 190 heads. Everything else is fair game. I bet you could get 400hp easy.
I love how you guys stuck with this motor and did different configurations. Using less in the end it may be more? Or maybe not here's a crazy idea hook a hydrogen cell that goes to a bus to the motor hook and water meth injection and put in a little bit of nitrous what could happen with the trifecta fuels?
Would love to see you guys do a build up on the Ford Australia Barra 4 litre 6 from the Aussie built Falcon. Unbreakable, cheap and plentiful in Australia and easily over 1000 bhp in turbo guise.
My concern with these fuel injection kits is (electronic) part failure. These are not the EFI systems on mass produced vehicles- made to have very low failure rates. Heard some horror stories of people being stuck somewhere for a long time waiting on replacement parts of something in the EFI system fails (because none of it is at the local auto parts store). That was never an issue with carbs.. well, typically. I do like the convenience and performance/economy they offer. But the "either they work or you are stuck at a motel waiting on parts during your trip" nature is a concern.
I would like to see you guys take a Old Skool type of Ford 351C that bored out to 357 with a 3/4 cams and Old Skool type carb that is the biggest carb that your able to use on it. As well use regular unleaded gas and see what it can do. Also try using racing gas and see what the difference of horse power will make. And have pair of Hooker Headers on it. With out having any Sort of computer gadget on. And no turbo setup.
11:28 i learned to preload the poly lock and not the set screw to hold the rocker in place. just setting preload with the set screw turned disastrous for me the first time i set the lash on needle bearing rocker arms. since i preload the poly lock, i have never had a rocker arm back off. read the instructions.
Did you see the price of aluminum heads from Edelbrock? If you're a machinist or you have a friend who could clean them up pretty amazing for the price
Decent build but with the aftermarket heads it should be doing better than that. With stock heads that weren't even ported out ut just given a good valve job a 460 is capable of putting out over 500 HP.
@@user-tu1ee6dc5f I watched. I am talking normally aspirated 460's were putting out over 500 HP using unreported stock heads over 20 years ago and with porting they can be pushed to equal or even exceed the output of the test engine in the video.
@@danmyers9372 My 4.6L 2v has 38cc TFS heads n made 309rwhp 321rwtrq at 5,446rpm.. i wanted more torque than high revving street monster since the streets are slow.. i got a degreeing issue it serms, bcuz it was supposed to tap out at 6,300rpm.. i get what you're saying.. Room to grow on these heads..
A 40hp difference in boost vs. Na I'd rather have the na motor in a light chassis less room taken up and less to go wrong be perfect for a fox and lighter
an oil pan evac is a good system for racing, but i prefer a vacuum balance system for the street. that is a 5/8 hose or tube from a baffle on the valve cover directly to the inside of the air cleaner. that balances the crankcase pressure with the intake stroke of the valve timing event to neutralize the difference in pressure. that helps the piston rings to seal and do their job. since the crankcase has a few pounds of pressure, isn't that actually adding a couple pounds of boost into the intake? yes it is.
I miss you guys on TV, you’re both so knowledgeable and I learn a lot at my old age with the things you guys do on motors. Have you built a 5.4 Ford Modular? If so please guide me to it. I need to redo my 2000 F-150 2-valve and would like to make some more Horsepower. Keep up the great work you both do. Jon Marshall Lebec, Ca
Kind of figured 32ish would have been about it on timing being such a big bore long stroke as most aluminum headed SBC's I've done stop at about 36 at around 9.5ish CR. Maybe that huge freaking cam duration on the exhaust and setting it at 105.5 degrees played a part in it though?
Nice build there gents. But I have to say I would have kept the turbo. Just for the fact it's making so much torque that way. I know this the setup the "customer" wanted but 770 ft/lb of torque is no joke , now granted all that at 3500rpm is probably pushing the luck with the rest of the drivetrain . I would have split the difference myself , I would go with 9:1 comp with the alloy heads with twin turbos and log manifolds to get around the packaging concern . Run the EFI and the turbos and you could have had 700hp and 750ft/lbs on a curve from 3000 to 6000. That would have been a proper monster with low noise and nice manners on pump gas or E85.
Great job the two of you always do! I’ve watched your channel for years now and it’s always a learning experience. Now I do have a question. What spark plug gap do you guys use when you’re using a MSD ignition for your dynos?
What I love about the 460 architecture is the huge bore and relatively small stroke, generally I used to think big block meant long strong or a square bore/stroke ratio, so does that mean a 460 is meant to rev?
It would seem that way, but if I remember correctly they stroked and bored a 429 (385 series) to 460 mainly for the claim to fame of sheer cubic inches. Had to compete with other land yachts that had 500’s and 455’s. Ford advertised it as low rpm torque, but hey, marketing ya know.
@@CSMSteel7the 460 is a 429 with a longer stroke. The Ford 400 has a longer stroke than a 460, a 393w has the same stroke as a 460. The Cadillac 500 has the longest stroke of the common classic Big Blocks 4.3" the Olds is close at 4.25", the 429/460 are very similar to the Mopar 400/440 with big bore and shorter stroke except the Mopars have a shorter stroke. The 429/460, Olds 403, Mopar 400 have some of the biggest factory bores.
They say that the exhaust port on a late eighties Ford 460 flows about the same as the one on the 5.0 Mustang. I think they max out around 110 cfm. No wonder the later built 460 can’t get out of its own way.
Ok ran out on Distributor Timing but what of Cam timing ??? Any Tweaks there for few more points ??? Or carb spacer/mixer/ what have ya up your sleeve ??? X pipe ??? Curious being it's on the stand ??? Just what else or what other tricks to get just a few more horse Power with out busting the bank !!!
Cam timing changes where the power is, not the amount. It pulls hard right out of the gate. I'd leave it there for a street engine. Tire shredding beast!
Would VERY interested if the cost of these parts were included. And even though in a great shop, how many hours. These determine whether or not many of us will do similar tuneups and upgrades. An approach of "lets see what happens if we put really expensive parts in." is interesting but not useful.
Needs way more cam, compression, single plane. A BBF making less than 650hp is a waste of time. You can make 600hp with TFS 11R 190cc heads on a 357ci 9.5" Windsor. A cheapo Scat 408 Windsor with TFS 11Rs can make 650hp easy, is way smaller and lighter. If I was going to mess with an old school BBF I would want to run a Qjet on it to get the sweet sounds that Gator McCluskey was making with his brown '71 Ford Custom 500 sedan.
Would really love to see you all build a NA then turbo 429\460 with Kaase heads or compare the same build with Kaase versus another brand. Really want to put a turbo 429 into a F-600 just for fun. Have to finish up the half dozen other projects I've started first or figure out how to clone myself.
The 472 Cadillac engine make more power than this with just a minor port and polish of the stock iron heads and a 3 angle valve job with an aftermarket aluminum intake.
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Pat is building this young man into a monster engine builder, solid bro for being a mentor.
Dude has the best job ever. Can you imagine getting paid to build engines everyday? Sweetest gig ever. Tried my best to talk my dad into going into business with me building kit cars and selling them but he wouldn't do it because it's too "hot" where I live and moving to his local wasn't feasible. Oh well wasn't meant to be.
He's a person, and his name is Frankie.
Pat has that cool teacher vibe. You wanna do that lets do it. Solid guy.
@@brandonlittle6444 Troll much or do you enjoy pointing out inane information. Second how do you know I wasn't talking about Pat? Obviously they are people, AI hasn't gotten that good yet, and obviously he has a name. I could almost understand your reply if I was saying something rude or negative about someone who had passed away but in this context it is truly pointless.
he's got the pens down pat (pun intended 😁)
Looks like Frankie is becoming quite the protege with the nice full pocket protector. 😅
The fuller the protector, the more power! 🤯😅🙌👌💨
Fun fact, Pat is left handed, Frankie is right handed. (You can tell from the pockets)
@craigquann that's funny you noticed that like I noticed the pocket protector. 🤣
How long you going to Infantize this Grown Man?
@@brandonlittle6444not sure what you mean
Because I guarantee that man is still learning
This episode gets me pumped, I have a 460 stroked to a 521 with nearly the same setup as this. Now I know what get to look forward to!
Good luck man
Awesome
Put a little more cam in it. With the heads on this engine they are giving up 40+ HP with the too small cam.
@@danmyers9372 Remember, it's not a race engine! It still needs to run on pump gas and make torque down low. Probably going in a truck or something.
Sweet! Sounds like a hot set up!
500 ft. lbs. At 2500 rpm. That's what I want. Off the line torque. Man I've gotta get a big block. They're big and heavy. But they're worth it. Especially for a full size car
Would be nice in a 3000 lb vehicle.
Thats street torque. Off the line can come in higher with the right Torque converter or manual trans.
Doing what your passion is and getting paid for it while educating as well is a dream job, in fact its not a job if you have a love for what you do. These guys are having fun and showing off some fantastic builds that we the viewers can attain with proper planning
Only thing us fans could ask for: a 6.8 V10 build. I know they’re not super aftermarket friendly…. Not as common as the garden variety V8.. but man. They’re cool
Exactly the v10 is underrated and would be cool to upgrade other than just v8s
Too complicated for these guys…
@keithhastings4092 they do more complicated engines just it's all about as many eyes as possible
Love the BBF content. I wish I would have seen a build similar to this but with Kaase heads.
What I'd love to see is putting a set of kaasse Boss heads on this engine. Also I wish you could build an 03 and newer ford V10 and increase the power!
Gotta say Pat and Frankie our my favorites. No fake cheesy banter. They work great together and I agree with others, cool to see Frankie continue grow as an engine builder along side Pat. This was a fun build. But even I am a ford guy, I don’t care what they are building, just like watching them make big power 😂.
Love a good big block Ford! 460's are slept on
Whit the abundance of aftermarket heads, Trickflow, AFR,SR71’s it’s nice to see some old school eddies still getting some love and making HP. Not every engine is a high dollar drag engine set on kill. Great numbers.
I love how the closed captioning picks up the engine noise as music and applause that makes me happy 😁
I have a 351 cleveland out to 434 cu in, (after market block), hydraulic roller cam 950 cfm carb, built in the US and custom pistons also from the US. Heads trick flow. It makes just under 600 rwh and just under the same torque. Block is Australian and the engine built in Auckland NZ.
As a long time fan of powernation, this combo of Pat and Frankie is primo! Great episode guys
The stock iron heads have a very convoluted exhaust port that turns down sharply at the exit to clear the fenderwells of many of the Ford cars that were designed back in the day. When Jon Kasse designed the very first Cobra Jet heads for the 460 back in 1991 this was his main object to rectify. He redesigned the port to flow much better and still fit the cars. The intake was changed slightly also. These first heads were worth 100 horsepower over the stock iron heads with no other changes to the engine. He later did a refresh on the heads to improve the intake side. These heads were sold through your local Ford dealer with Ford part numbers for many years. The reason I am stating all this is to show how much improvement was in just the heads so your project will show this as well. The turbo, if reinstalled would show a dramatic improvement as well. The big Ford with a good set of heads is not a bad engine.
I raced a 71 429scj Mustang in NHRA Stock eliminator class, had to go thru several tear downs to verify engine met all NHRA'S spec requirements. The factory torque spec for cylinder head bolts was 140 Ft/lbs so ARP is going with Ford engineering specs, not anything they came up with, Just Sayin.
Soo friggin awesome to see all that knowledge and passion being passed on. Love me some BB ford 429/460 bruisers.... love all combustion engines no matter how big or small
cant beat a good mechanics band-aid, shop towel and electrical tape
And handyman helper, duck tape
Yep it's like a sore willy, can't beat it!
God i love those good o'l Ford engines the old 87 econoline we had was converted into a camper and the only thing that killed that thing was the rust it was over 500k miles pretty decent for a gas engine !
Nutt’n better than a NA big block. Love the build!
Its amazing to me that with a little love and modern tech, how much an old farm truck motor can make. God i love 460s.
Best Ford engine to build for the street..
You guys have the best job ever!!
Another great build with excellent explanations too. Thanks guys.
Love you guys. They should have just got you guys another block!
CNC Motorsports 632ci BBF!! 2,000hp rated block..
I cannot deny any longer.... that turbo was smol
Stroke that BBF!!
For real HP!!!
I had one back in the 80's that was a torque monster. I would love to do another with modern injection. I can see the possibilities!!! Old F100, stock body but modern underneath. What a ride!!
That big block isn’t even trying yet, all done before 6k and a hyd roller, just a solid street cruiser.
And tire shredder.
They gave up 40+ HP with that tiny cam.
@@danmyers9372 yeah and it still made 500+ hp, really the cam should’ve been in the 240’s.
yeah the cam choked the heads for sure. There's another 100-150 hp in that thing with some improvements. BUT-that cam idles VERY good (had same cam in my old F100) and makes decent power for what it is. These 385 series engines are (or "were") the "mutt" of the engine world. Only in the last 10 years have they started showing signs of "catching up"
Old school 🏫 diesel numbers 💪 the original godzilla
You guys are great.
Happy Frankie didn’t get busted knuckles in this episode when I saw his almost accident happened thank God for his fast reflexes
Would love to have that in my 66 Ford.
Nice build
Every pull was amazing for the characteristics that each one showed! This was a torque monster peaking and holding near peak starting at 3,700ish to the mild falloff around 5,000 RPM! Surprised by the relatively flat and wide peak HP curve lasting for 1,000 RPM starting at 5,000-6,000! The sweet spot for the setup at that time. It hit close to peak and held it near peak for 1,000 RPM!
As a strip car in a fairly light chassis, this would start to plant you in the seat around 3,000 RPM and want to rip your face off all the way to 6,000RPM...
Wide torque curve, modest torque fall off, wide flat HP curve near peak HP for 1,000 RPM on every, single pull! That is surprising!
15:10 - flat wide torque & HP
17:00 - flat wide torque & HP
19:00 - flat wide torque & HP
20:00 - flat wide torque & HP
What small car ford could you fit this in or car? 🤔
@@user-tu1ee6dc5f Anything you can stuff a Mustang 2 tubular k member in.. They sell kits meant for most engines, the 460ci BBF being one of them..
I would love to have that 460 dropped into my '78 LTD II Brougham!! But I'm still plenty happy with my 351 Windsor V8, just needs some serious power upgrades, lol.
Another great episode guys exactly how I wanted to end my work day come home and watch pat and Frankie thx guys
I'd love to see a Chrysler LA 318 build, with only 2 stipulations; stock displacement, and Trick Flow 190 heads. Everything else is fair game.
I bet you could get 400hp easy.
Back in the day, I would have loved to that in my 68 Torino GT. Although with the 390 it was all I could do to keep tires on that car.
So, you're saying this is perfect for a '70 LTD wagon?
Junkyard Digs might need it for his 70 Wagon from California. That motor was so bad XD
I loved the 429 in my family’s old Country Squire.
Uh oh! Pat's using shop language! 😆
3:36 spark bolts 😂
Love the 460
I love how you guys stuck with this motor and did different configurations. Using less in the end it may be more? Or maybe not here's a crazy idea hook a hydrogen cell that goes to a bus to the motor hook and water meth injection and put in a little bit of nitrous what could happen with the trifecta fuels?
@7:30
That compression ratio increase is insane, and the reduction in cylinder head volume
Would love to see you guys do a build up on the Ford Australia Barra 4 litre 6 from the Aussie built Falcon. Unbreakable, cheap and plentiful in Australia and easily over 1000 bhp in turbo guise.
My concern with these fuel injection kits is (electronic) part failure. These are not the EFI systems on mass produced vehicles- made to have very low failure rates. Heard some horror stories of people being stuck somewhere for a long time waiting on replacement parts of something in the EFI system fails (because none of it is at the local auto parts store). That was never an issue with carbs.. well, typically. I do like the convenience and performance/economy they offer. But the "either they work or you are stuck at a motel waiting on parts during your trip" nature is a concern.
Can't you just toss an old trusty carb in the trunk for long distance cruises for a simple backup?
Yep, shows like this never deal with the realities of these aftermarket EFI units. Not when they are being paid to be shills.
Great to see Pat in a video again 👍 And one of the biggest question regarding Pat is of course.... How many pens can he make room for in his shirt 😊
Nice job guys
Synchronized bolt torquing should become an Olympic sport.
4:20 OMG...that teardown tray! Where do I get one???
Permatex on both sides of the WP gasket? Why create more sealing surfaces??
I would like to see you guys take a
Old Skool type of Ford 351C that bored out to 357 with a 3/4 cams and Old Skool type carb that is the biggest carb that your able to use on it. As well use regular unleaded gas and see what it can do. Also try using racing gas and see what the difference of horse power will make. And have pair of Hooker Headers on it. With out having any Sort of computer gadget on. And no turbo setup.
11:28 i learned to preload the poly lock and not the set screw to hold the rocker in place. just setting preload with the set screw turned disastrous for me the first time i set the lash on needle bearing rocker arms. since i preload the poly lock, i have never had a rocker arm back off. read the instructions.
actually that is how comp cams instructs how to install their poly locks.
not me. i'm preloading the nut.15- 20 ft lbs
You’d be amazed how much power it would gain from getting rid of the junk Edelbrock heads and put AFR or TrickFlow
They're dyno proven to be better?
@@Warrior_Resisting_Colonialism yes, kasse heads are even better
Did you see the price of aluminum heads from Edelbrock? If you're a machinist or you have a friend who could clean them up pretty amazing for the price
@@HomeSkillet832 Think of all that weight gone too though.
John kasse heads nuff said
Decent build but with the aftermarket heads it should be doing better than that. With stock heads that weren't even ported out ut just given a good valve job a 460 is capable of putting out over 500 HP.
The first run 519 hp. final with timing 533. Did you watch? Are you talking about the turbo? They had stock heads before.
Cam was way too small for the flow of those heads. Customer must have wanted a low RPM build for towing?
@@user-tu1ee6dc5f I watched. I am talking normally aspirated 460's were putting out over 500 HP using unreported stock heads over 20 years ago and with porting they can be pushed to equal or even exceed the output of the test engine in the video.
@@danmyers9372 My 4.6L 2v has 38cc TFS heads n made 309rwhp 321rwtrq at 5,446rpm.. i wanted more torque than high revving street monster since the streets are slow.. i got a degreeing issue it serms, bcuz it was supposed to tap out at 6,300rpm.. i get what you're saying.. Room to grow on these heads..
Watching you two torque down those heads, look like a couple of detectives with their sleeves rolled up working over a suspect in a dark room.😂
man if this was around 23 years ago i would still have my first car.
A 40hp difference in boost vs. Na I'd rather have the na motor in a light chassis less room taken up and less to go wrong be perfect for a fox and lighter
an oil pan evac is a good system for racing, but i prefer a vacuum balance system for the street. that is a 5/8 hose or tube from a baffle on the valve cover directly to the inside of the air cleaner. that balances the crankcase pressure with the intake stroke of the valve timing event to neutralize the difference in pressure. that helps the piston rings to seal and do their job. since the crankcase has a few pounds of pressure, isn't that actually adding a couple pounds of boost into the intake? yes it is.
I miss you guys on TV, you’re both so knowledgeable and I learn a lot at my old age with the things you guys do on motors.
Have you built a 5.4 Ford Modular? If so please guide me to it. I need to redo my 2000 F-150 2-valve and would like to make some more Horsepower.
Keep up the great work you both do.
Jon Marshall
Lebec, Ca
Great engine, put a new engine gasket kit n slap a supercharger on it from a Lightning, easy 400rwhp..
I think it needs more cam lift and maybe tweak durations. Hydraulic roller you can exploit some steeper ramps.
Kind of figured 32ish would have been about it on timing being such a big bore long stroke as most aluminum headed SBC's I've done stop at about 36 at around 9.5ish CR. Maybe that huge freaking cam duration on the exhaust and setting it at 105.5 degrees played a part in it though?
Nice build there gents. But I have to say I would have kept the turbo. Just for the fact it's making so much torque that way. I know this the setup the "customer" wanted but 770 ft/lb of torque is no joke , now granted all that at 3500rpm is probably pushing the luck with the rest of the drivetrain .
I would have split the difference myself , I would go with 9:1 comp with the alloy heads with twin turbos and log manifolds to get around the packaging concern . Run the EFI and the turbos and you could have had 700hp and 750ft/lbs on a curve from 3000 to 6000. That would have been a proper monster with low noise and nice manners on pump gas or E85.
Would have been neat to see a comparison sniper2 vs something like 850dp holley.
This in a Mustang 2, yum!!
Great job the two of you always do! I’ve watched your channel for years now and it’s always a learning experience. Now I do have a question. What spark plug gap do you guys use when you’re using a MSD ignition for your dynos?
Spark Bolts...
Historically called that. , Sensing false superiority
I wonder what’s it’s going in. Nice build.
that thing would be perfect for my 66 comet 4 speed
What I love about the 460 architecture is the huge bore and relatively small stroke, generally I used to think big block meant long strong or a square bore/stroke ratio, so does that mean a 460 is meant to rev?
It would seem that way, but if I remember correctly they stroked and bored a 429 (385 series) to 460 mainly for the claim to fame of sheer cubic inches. Had to compete with other land yachts that had 500’s and 455’s. Ford advertised it as low rpm torque, but hey, marketing ya know.
If you can find a cam rated for it and not float the valves, I'm sure it would be good
@@CSMSteel7the 460 is a 429 with a longer stroke. The Ford 400 has a longer stroke than a 460, a 393w has the same stroke as a 460. The Cadillac 500 has the longest stroke of the common classic Big Blocks 4.3" the Olds is close at 4.25", the 429/460 are very similar to the Mopar 400/440 with big bore and shorter stroke except the Mopars have a shorter stroke. The 429/460, Olds 403, Mopar 400 have some of the biggest factory bores.
What about the valley pan ???
Glued to intake manifold or gaskets ???
I had plans for pretty much this same engine "Once Upon a Time" ...
What did Pat say when you nearly dropped that head ?
"Oh Fiddlesticks!" 😆
They say that the exhaust port on a late eighties Ford 460 flows about the same as the one on the 5.0 Mustang. I think they max out around 110 cfm. No wonder the later built 460 can’t get out of its own way.
Maybe, but they turned 37" tires on my work trucks in miles of mud. Too bad that they didn't have a better tranny.
I'd like to see what it would make with pump E85 and the sniper 2
Nice!!
Ok ran out on Distributor Timing but what of Cam timing ???
Any Tweaks there for few more points ???
Or carb spacer/mixer/ what have ya up your sleeve ???
X pipe ???
Curious being it's on the stand ???
Just what else or what other tricks to get just a few more horse Power with out busting the bank !!!
Cam timing changes where the power is, not the amount. It pulls hard right out of the gate. I'd leave it there for a street engine. Tire shredding beast!
It is still tough to beat a turbo with stock heads.
RIP Joe Elmore !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's awesome guys but I have a question why on any engine build hp and tq always cross at 5250 rpm?
That is always going to be the case with any engine, it's in the equation to convert torque to horse power.
Horse power calculated by the equation torque/5252. It’s just the calculation
Now it’s time for a bigger cam. Can it make 600hp on motor
This engine in a centurion bronco c250 4x4 would be great!!
Would VERY interested if the cost of these parts were included. And even though in a great shop, how many hours. These determine whether or not many of us will do similar tuneups and upgrades. An approach of "lets see what happens if we put really expensive parts in." is interesting but not useful.
Poor Pat , can’t get a word in edgewise …lol !
I don’t think I’ve ever seen Frankie remove a head without dropping it or almost dropping it.
Please do an LA318 build.
we do in sweden 37* before high end goood power
Is 107 LSA a concern with a fuel injection setup?
Throw a big ass whipple supercharger on it.
What is the thought behind a 105.75 degree intake centreline?
I wondered the same, probably just where it landed.
Highest octane pump gas for us is 91. Can you Dyno an engine with 91?
Waiting for a vortec 4200 built
Needs way more cam, compression, single plane. A BBF making less than 650hp is a waste of time. You can make 600hp with TFS 11R 190cc heads on a 357ci 9.5" Windsor. A cheapo Scat 408 Windsor with TFS 11Rs can make 650hp easy, is way smaller and lighter. If I was going to mess with an old school BBF I would want to run a Qjet on it to get the sweet sounds that Gator McCluskey was making with his brown '71 Ford Custom 500 sedan.
Spark bolts?
Would really love to see you all build a NA then turbo 429\460 with Kaase heads or compare the same build with Kaase versus another brand. Really want to put a turbo 429 into a F-600 just for fun. Have to finish up the half dozen other projects I've started first or figure out how to clone myself.
Why are you targeting 13 afr instead of 12.5 or 12.2?
Wow
And probably will get 24 mpg on pump gas. 👍
That motor would make a great addition to a boat!
I'm just curious. I have been for about five years, maybe ten.Why they went from ft lbs to lbs ft...doesnt make sense
The 472 Cadillac engine make more power than this with just a minor port and polish of the stock iron heads and a 3 angle valve job with an aftermarket aluminum intake.
EFI is the Devil! 😈
Can we stick that motor in my Crown Vic?